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From YouTube: Kingston Ontario - City Council - April 16, 2019
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City Council meeting from April 16, 2019 . For the full meeting agenda visit http://bit.ly/2QUS4Ae
A
Okay
good
evening,
folks,
its
apologies
for
the
delay
I
say:
go
I,
nee
Buju
watch
a
quake
way
as
the
Mayor
of
the
City
of
Kingston
I
offer
these
words
in
the
spirit
of
this
gathering.
Let
us
bring
our
good
minds
and
hearts
together
as
one
to
celebrate
and
honor
these
traditional
lands
as
a
gathering
place
of
the
original
peoples
and
their
ancestors
who
are
entrusted
to
care
from
Mother
Earth.
Since
time
immemorial.
A
It
is
with
deep
humility
that
we
acknowledge
and
offer
our
gratitude
for
their
contributions
to
this
community
having
respect
for
all
as
we
share
the
space
now
and
walk
side-by-side
into
the
future.
So
we're
just
meeting
in
committee
of
the
whole
closed
meeting.
We
discussed
a
couple
of
items,
one
with
respect
to
the
2018,
CEO
performance
review
and
also
an
item,
respect
to
268,
Victoria
Street.
So
with
that,
I
will
ask
for
a
motion
to
rise
without
reporting.
Please.
A
A
Okay,
seeing
none
we
will
move
on.
We
have
no
presentations
this
evening,
but
we
do
have
a
number
of
delegations
now.
I
do
know
that
there
are
some
delegations
that
we
will
add.
So
what
we
will
do
is
we'll
first
work
through
the
three
delegations
that
we
have
listed
in
our
agenda
and
then
I
will
look
to
Council
to
add
any
additional
delegations.
So,
first
up
we
have
Ann
Coleman
campaign
manager
of
the
Ontario
living
wage.
A
D
You
very
much
I
am
very
pleased
to
be
here
this
evening.
So
what
is
the
living
wage?
The
living
wage
is
the
hourly
wage.
A
worker
needs
to
earn
in
order
to
cover
not
only
their
basic
expenses,
but
also
have
to
have
a
little
extra
to
participate
in
their
community.
It's
still
a
very
modest
wage
and
doesn't
allow
for
savings
for
retirement
or
education
for
children
or
debt
repayment
in
November
of
2018.
D
D
So
why
should
you
pay
a
living
wage?
Why
is
a
living
wage,
a
good
thing?
Well,
my
first
point
I
think
it's
fairly
obvious.
A
living
wage
is
good
for
people
when
people
are
earning
minimum
wage
and
they
move
into
a
living
wage
job.
It
means
that
they
are
moving
out
of
poverty
if
they
have
improved
health
and
they
have
a
better
quality
of
life,
but
there's
also
a
business
case
for
paying
a
living
wage.
D
Our
certified
living
wage
employers
consistently
tell
me
that
when
they
begin
to
pay
a
living
wage,
they
have
higher
staff
retention
rates,
they
spend
less
money
on
hiring
and
training.
New
staff
and
staff
are
more
engaged.
They
are
more
productive,
it's
also
good
for
the
community.
So
when
somebody
starts
to
earn
living-wage
that
money
is
going
directly
back
into
the
community
here
in
Kingston,
so
someone
earning
a
living
wage
might
be
able
to
go
up
for
coffee
once
in
a
while
with
a
friend
or
take
take
their
kids
to
see
a
movie.
D
D
D
That
being
said,
we
feel
it's
really
important
to
recognize
employers
for
taking
steps
towards
paying
all
of
their
staff
a
living
wage.
We
want
employers
to
be
able
to
phase
in
the
implementation
of
the
living
wage
program,
so
our
first
level
of
recognition
is
the
supporter
level,
where
all
of
an
employer's
direct
full-time
staff
are
earning
at
least
a
living
wage.
This
is
the
level
that
the
City
of
Kingston
could
come
in
at
the
next
level.
D
It's
really
important
for
you
to
know
that
we
are
very
flexible
with
the
implementation
and,
as
you
as
an
employer,
would
decide
what
that
looks
like
and
how
quickly
you
move
through
that
the
city
of
Cambridge,
for
example,
became
certified
in
2016
and
they
have
increased
the
wages
of
a
large
chunk
of
their
part-time
staff
in
increments.
Over
a
couple
of
years,
so
they're
working
slowly
working
towards
implementation,
municipal
governments
are
a
key
anchor
institutions
in
our
communities
and,
as
is
to
have
the
opportunity
to
influence
other
employers
to
do
the
right
thing.
D
E
D
So,
as
I
mentioned,
they
came
in
at
the
supporter
level
in
2016,
all
their
full-time
staff
are
earning
or
were
earning
at
least
a
living
wage
they've
slowly
increased
the
wages
of
part-time
staff.
They
haven't
looked
at
part-time
positions
that
are
typically
held
by
students.
Yet
what
they
are
talking
about
doing
next
is
looking
at
some
of
their
bigger
contracts,
so
cleaning
and
security,
but
they
don't
need
to
make
any
changes
until
those
contracts
come
up
for
renewal.
So,
as
you
can
see,
they're
not
really
following
our
our
three
level
plan.
D
F
D
There's
a
handful
of
them
and
I,
unfortunately,
can't
list
them
all
for
you,
but
the
City
of
Vancouver
is
one
of
them
and
they
have
some
really
good
resources
there
as
well.
If
you
would
like
connections,
that's
something
I
can
do.
There's
also
a
number
of
municipalities
in
Ontario
that
are
very
interested
in
this
process
and
are
looking
into
it
right
now
and.
F
D
G
D
So
the
Ontario
living
wage
Network
has
a
methodology
for
calculating
the
living
wage
and
that's
used
right
across
the
province.
We
look
at
community
specific
data,
so
the
cost
of
rent
within
Kingston
the
cost
of
food
locally.
We
look
at
the
cost
of
transportation
specific
to
your
community,
there's
a
few
other
pieces
that
are
more
broader,
so
clothing
and
footwear,
that's
sort
of
a
provincial
number.
D
We
also
include
the
participation
piece,
so
some
we
sort
of
have
this
other
category
that
can
include
things
like
a
modest
family,
camping,
vacation,
I'm,
going
out
for
dinner
once
a
month
with
your
family
and
we
base
the
calculation
on
a
reference
family
of
four
with
two
working
adults.
So
our
number
is
very
precise.
It's
not
exactly
you
know.
It's
not
gonna
work
for
everyone.
H
I've
been
I've
been
reading
as
much
as
I
can
over
the
last
few
weeks
to
really
try
to
come
to
terms
with
it
and
understand
it
and
get
a
fulsome
look
at
it
and
I
buy
also
empathized
for
employers
today,
and
the
burden
of
the
the
payroll
burden
that
many
have
and
so
I'm
I
think
it's
important
to
see
it
from
the
other
side
as
well
and
and
the
challenge
of
running
a
business.
Today,
we've
already
had
the
minimum
wage
increase
and
so
that's
affected
business.
D
So
the
living
wage
rate
first
of
all
is
voluntary.
This
is
something
that
won't
ever
be
mandated
by
the
government.
So
that's
really
a
big
difference
between
living
wage
and
minimum
wage
basic
income.
At
least
the
basic
income
pilot
was
geared
more
towards
folks
that
were
on
Oh,
W
and
ODSP,
so
it
wasn't
necessarily
focusing
on
paid
work
per
se
that
that's
not
entirely
the
case,
but
it's
a
slightly
different
approach
and
right.
I
I
If
you
have
any
insights
into
the
the
gender
breakdown,
so
in
general,
whether
it
be
in
another
jurisdiction
that
you've
looked
at
or
what
the
implications
in
Kingston
might
be
for
a
living
wage
in
terms
of
the
impacts
on,
let's
say
women
in
particular,
in
an
earlier
part
of
the
presentation
you
referenced
certain
sectors
of
the
employment
and
certain
jobs.
That
would
would
be
most
impacted
by
the
move
in
this
direction.
It
just
any
comments
on
the
gendered
Diane
mentioned
to
be
great.
That's.
D
D
J
So
in
early
2019,
the
tourism
Kingston
board,
as
well
as
the
Kingston
accommodation
board,
both
adopted
the
IDS
and
that's
what
we
would
like
to
speak
to
you
tonight
about
so
primarily
the
IDS
in
the
sort
of
the
ink
it
encompasses
20
strategic
goals
and
five
that
I
thought
I
could
speak
to
tonight,
because
works
already
been
done
on
some
of
these
strategic
goals
and
processes
have
already
been
in
place
to
move.
Some
is
gold.
Four
goals
forward:
one
is
the
Kingston
Penitentiary,
so
as
of
April.
J
First
filming
in
the
Kingston
Penitentiary
has
come
to
fruition,
which
is
great
because
the
idea
is
called
for
the
pen
as
a
unique
site
that
could
host
filming,
and
so
that
process
has
already
happened
and
we
actually
have
a
few
prospects
that
will
come
to
fruition
in
the
spring
and
early
summer.
The
Kingston
Airport,
so
collaboration
efforts
with
the
City
of
Kingston
and
Kingston
Economic
Development
Corporation
to
incorporate
branding
messages
as
it
relates
to
Kingston
is
a
great
place
to
visit,
but
also
to
work.
J
And
so,
as
the
renovations
conclude
at
the
airport,
we
have
a
pretty
strong
message
that
says
the
Kingston's.
You
know
open
for
business
and
essentially
is
a
great
place
all
year
round
to
come
with
family
and
enjoy
all
of
the
great
things
as
it
pertains
to
which
season
you
come
and
visit
with
us,
st.
Lawrence
College
and
the
downtown
campus.
So
the
IDS
recommendation
there
was
to
outline
and
potentially
carve
out
a
place
where
st.
J
Lawrence
College
could
have
extension
of
a
campus
downtown,
as
it
relates
to
the
tourism
sector,
which
is
a
great
synergy
and
tourism.
Kingston
is
already
working
with
the
city
on
a
partnership
that
gives
certification
for
many
of
our
summer.
Students
as
it
relates
to
customer
service
and
tourism.
Best
practices
cruising
as
a
tourism
hub.
So
one
of
the
things
that
the
IDS
brought
out
and
things
that
we're
working
on
is
positioning
Kingston
as
a
key
tourism
hub,
which
is
really
important
and
city
staff,
as
well
as
tourism.
J
Kingston
staff
just
came
back
from
sea
trade,
which
is
an
international
cruise
marketplace,
and
we
preposition
in
front
of
key
stakeholders
Kingston
as
a
port
within
the
Great
Lakes
to
attract
cruises
and
pedestrian
friendly,
we're
working
on
as
per
the
ideas
recommendation.
A
better
integrated
waterfront,
especially
with
the
removal
of
physical
barriers,
as
it
relates
to
specifically
Ontario
streets,
so
we're
working
with
many
different
stakeholders
to
create
a
pedestrian
friendly
hub
in
July
in
August
in
front
of
City
Hall.
J
A
You
are
there
any
questions:
okay,
seeing
none.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
Our
third
delegation
this
evening,
Alan
Prowse
board,
chair
Christine,
nod,
executive
director,
Donna,
Dwyer
manager
of
resource
development
and
communications
and
wally
Viner,
fundraising,
cabinet
member
hospice.
Kingston
will
appear
before
council
to
speak
with
respect
to
new
motion
numbers.
K
Samara
members
of
council,
Peter
Kingston
of
the
campaign
cabinet,
is
in
Singapore
tonight,
so
I'm
pleased
to
represent
him
and
as
part
of
the
delegation
and
with
me,
is
dr.
Christine,
not
the
executive
director,
I'll
approach,
the
chair
of
the
board
of
directors
and
Donna
Dwyer
manager,
resource
development.
K
Three
years
ago,
I
was
not
really
totally
aware
of
hospice.
Kingston
I
was
unaware
that
it
was
a
group
of
300
volunteers,
they've
been
serving
the
residents
of
Kingston
for
some
31
years
now,
34
years
serving
those
who
had
life-limiting
illnesses
and
colletion
in
the
life
and
giving
attention
to
their
caregivers
and
families.
I
was
unaware
that
the
Board
of
Directors
had
been
laying
the
vision
for
a
needed
residence
and
care
center
for
some
15
years.
That
would
offer
essential
choices
to
individuals
for
whom
dying
at
home
is
not
an
option
due
to
their
condition.
K
Lack
of
children
in
this
city
or
available
caregivers.
Currently
there
are
44
hospice
residences
in
Ontario.
Kingston
is
the
only
city
of
our
size
in
interior.
That
does
not
have
a
dedicated
hospice
residence,
and
that
is
why
the
campaign
is
entitled.
The
time
is
now
and
of
course,
was
unaware
that
Peter,
Kingston
and
Donna
Dreyer
were
putting
together
their
fundraising
cabinet,
which
also
included
John
Garrett,
an
honorary
chair,
I'm,
pleased
you're
here
tonight,
Ron
Marjorie,
cook,
Peggy,
gerasimo,
diva,
debet,
Joanne,
Langlois,
Debra,
pakora,
Alan,
Prowse,
Peter,
Radley
and
Rob
would,
and
mr.
K
mayor
I
have
to
say
how
pleased
I
am
to
see
so
many
of
the
volunteers
of
hospice
and
donors
that
are
here
tonight
in
support
of
our
delegation.
Before
accepting
the
invitation
to
join
the
effort,
I
was
given
the
opportunity
to
visit
hospices
in
Cornwall
and
Ottawa
on
a
one-day
tour.
What
I
saw
in
particular
in
Cornwall
was
the
most
welcoming
building
where
rooms
contain
pictures
and
mementos
from
the
patient's
home.
I
saw
beer
in
the
fridge.
K
I
saw
a
place
for
visitors
to
prepare
snacks
or
make
coffee
for
themselves
or
to
keep
ice
cream
in
a
freezer.
I
saw
where
there
were
quiet
corners
to
find
peace
and
saltless
or
grieve
I
saw
places
where
visitors
could
shower
and
stay
overnight
if
they
need
be
with
their
loved
ones,
and
most
important
I
was
made
aware
that
relatives
coming
off
the
401
during
the
day
or
night
at
any
hour
could
go
into
the
hospice
and
visit
and
there
were
no
restrictions
on
a
number
of
visitors
in
any
one.
Room.
K
K
K
Our
new
residence
will
be
situated
on
the
1.7
acres
of
land
at
Providence,
a
village
1200
princess
Street,
the
property.
The
sisters
of
providence
in
vincent
depaul,
16
thousand
square
foot
facility,
will
transform
existing
community
hospice
services
to
meet
the
diverse
needs
of
our
aging
population,
with
access
to
specialized
medical
and
clinic
hair
and
benefit
from
the
interdisciplinary
team
approach.
K
K
At
a
time
when
governments
are
looking
for
fiscal
responsibility
and
looking
for
ways
to
cut
Hospital
cost
thirty
seconds,
it
is
important
to
note
that
the
average
cost
a
palliative
care
hospice
bed
is
four
hundred
and
sixty
dollars
a
day
and
in
the
acute
care
hospital
is
eleven
hundred
dollars
a
day
and
speaking
about
finance
fiscal
responsibility,
the
time
of
now
campaign
is
run
in
an
efficient
and
effective
manner
at
eight
percent
of
revenue.
Thank.
G
Well,
I,
just
thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
service
that
hospice
Kingston
has
given
to
this
community.
Yet
we
are,
you
know,
truly
blessed
in
Kingston
in
terms
of
the
medical
resources
that
we
have
here,
but
there
is
without
question
a
gap,
and
the
gap
is
the
the
I
believe
will
be
served
by
hospice
Kingston
in
this
new
facility.
So
I
certainly
encourage
counsel
to
get
behind
supporting
this
and
their.
A
It's
not
a
question
kind
of
question.
Okay,
I
will
illustrate
for
counsel
what
a
question
is.
So
the
question
is
I
know
that
you
were
near
the
end
of
your
presentation.
Perhaps
you
didn't
have
a
chance
to
share
everything
that
you
wanted.
So
is
there
anything
else
that
you
think
that
counsel
should
know
that
you
didn't
have
time
to
touch
on
in
your
presentation.
That
is
the
question.
A
K
You
very
much,
besides
being
most
appreciative
of
being
given
this
opportunity.
I
think
it's
important
and
that
you
should
be
aware
that
the
Deauville
Hospice
that
they
gave
the
3.35
of
acres
of
land,
they
gave
a
million
dollar
donation
and
they
waive
development
charges
and
building
permits.
I
think
you
should
know
that
the
Stratford
Perth
rotary
hospice
under
construction
for
ten
dead
facility
granted
1.5
million
and
the
key
chatham-kent
Hospice
another
ten
dead
facility
granted
1.5
and
I
really
don't
want
this
council
to
feel
restricted
to
by
those
amounts.
Should
you
wish
to
exceed
them.
L
K
I'm
very
pleased
you
asked
that
question.
It
was
on
an
earlier
page
so
that
I
never
got
to
we've
been
fortunate
in
raising
eight
point:
eight
million
dollars
from
the
community
and
very
generous
donors,
and
we
received
a
grant
from
Ontario
for
one
point:
four:
we
are
going
to
tender
about
May
June.
We
hope
to
have
a
shovel
that
ground
this
July
and
open
about
18
months
after
that,
it's
a
ten
dead
facility
and.
A
L
You
worship,
and
through
you
I
actually
missed
a
pecuniary
earlier,
would
now
be
sure
yep.
We
can
do
that
right,
okay,
sold
in
January
first,
so
I,
Ryan
Boehm,
the
Council
of
corporations
in
the
City
of
Kingston
declare
my
pecuniary
interest
in
the
matter
of
Klaus
to
report
number
31
as
an
employee
of
utilities.
Kinks
and
I
declare
conflict
in
this
insofar
as
it
relates
to
utilities.
Kingston.
Thank
you
and,
as
far
as
a
delegation,
I
have
a
motion
move
by
myself
seconded
by
mayor
Paterson.
M
N
Like
to
make
a
motion
data
delegation
that
clauses
eleven
point
four
and
eleven
point:
five,
the
city
of
kingston
procedural,
bylaw,
number
2010,
one
as
amended,
be
waived
in
order
to
allow
Nathan
Richards
to
speak
to
new
motion
number
three
seconded
by
Councillor
bone.
Wherever
you
went
there,
he
is
okay.
O
M
Thank
you,
your
worship,
mayor,
Paterson,
City,
Council
Eleanor,
is
there.
She
wasn't
sure
she
was
going
to
be
come
tonight
and
she's.
One
of
the
members
of
our
steering
committee,
also
alain
prost,
two
others
couldn't
be
here:
Rob,
wood
and
Peter
Buerkle.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
speak
in
support
of
hospice
Kingston
and
to
tell
you
briefly
how
we
at
compassionate
communities,
Kingston
Canada,
think
we
can
help
collaborate
with
hospice
Kingston
to
expand
their
reach
in
this
community.
M
Alan
Picard
of
the
Globe
and
Mail
wrote
recently
that
89%
of
adults
could
benefit
from
palliative
care,
yet
only
15%
have
access
palliative
care
is
defined
as
special
care
provided
with
for
those
who
have
just
been
diagnosed
with
the
life-threatening
illness.
Some
people
may
live
for
10,
20
or
more
years
after
this
diagnosis,
contrary
to
what
most
people
think
palliative
care
is
not
about
dying,
is
it
it
is
about
living
as
well
as
we
can
for
as
long
as
we
can
without
pain.
So
what
is
a
compassionate
community?
That's
part
of
this
international
movement.
M
Our
vision
for
Kingston
is
in
our
community.
We
know
that
we
all
have
a
role
to
play
in
supporting
each
other
in
times
of
crisis
and
loss.
People
are
willing
and
confident
to
have
conversations
about
living
well
and
dying
well
to
ask
comfortably
for
help
to
offer
help
willingly
and
to
support
each
other
in
emotional
and
practical
ways.
M
M
M
Caregivers,
which
I
didn't
know
provide
about
75%
of
all
health
care
delivered
more
community
support
would
make
such
a
difference.
So
what
do
we
have
to
do?
Our
model
part
of
the
International
Group
says?
First,
we
need
to
change
to
norms
of
social
attitudes,
the
first
norm.
Death-Denying,
we
are
a
death-denying
society.
We
don't
want
to
talk
about
it,
yet
talking
about
dying,
never
killed
anybody.
M
We
spend
more
time
planning
our
next
vacation
than
thinking
about
our
labor
later
years,
even
when
a
looming
senior
serious
illness
might
be
not
far
away
and
we
instinctively
decline
help
when
it's
offered
from
personal
and
community
networks.
Thank
you,
but
I'm,
fine.
Even
when
we're
far
from
it
the
second
norm,
citizens
seem
to
have
difficulty
in
being
able
to
offer
help
they're
willing,
but
they
don't
know
what
to
do
so.
They
end
up
saying.
Let
me
know
if
there's
anything
I
can
do,
and
we
all
know
where
that
goes.
M
So,
how
are
we
tackling
this?
What
are
we
doing?
We're
engaging
and
connecting
in
formal
community
networks
we're
exploring
ideas
with
a
variety
of
groups
to
encourage
the
development
of
more
social
networks
to
wrap
care
around
people
who
are
in
crisis
and
to
reduce
social
isolation?
The
latest
Canadian
public
health
issue,
which
of
course
includes
one
in
five
who
are
suffering
deep
loneliness.
M
Secondly,
we're
raising
awareness
and
providing
education
by
conducting
workshops
in
partnership
with
hospice,
Kingston
and
South
Frontenac
community
services.
That
will
get
people
talking
more
freely
about
the
recent
shocking
revelation
news
flash
that
we're
all
going
to
die.
The
question
is:
how
do
you
want
to
die.
M
Will
speak
for
you
if
you
can't
speak
for
yourself.
Only
one
in
seven
have
an
advanced
care
plan.
We
don't
want.
We
want
to
talk
about
anywhere,
but
in
the
emergency
room,
it's
never
too
late.
We
hope
that
you
will
support
hospice
Kingston.
We
believe
it's
the
smart
thing
to
do
and
for
compassionate
communities.
We
would
really
appreciate
it
if
all
the
counselors
would
seek
opportunities
in
your
districts
to
prefer
to
find
groups
that
would
be
prepared
to
have
us
come
and
make
presentations
or
workshops
to
get
much
more
community
conversation
going
on
this
issue.
O
M
International
model
of
social
change
involves
13
areas
of
social
change
and
we
are
we're
working
we're
starting
careful
to
do
it
all
at
once,
we're
starting
with
three
areas.
Schools,
teachers
have
difficulty
dealing
with
childhood
grief,
which,
if
you
don't
get
it
right,
can
last
a
lifetime
workplaces.
What
kind
of
Human
Resources
policies
do
it
HR
policies?
Do
employers
have
in
place
for
the
Sandwich
Generation?
That's
looking
after
parents
as
well
as
children,
faith
communities
who
are
obviously
probably
our
most
compassion
communities
already.
M
M
We
are
hoping
to
start
with
schools,
workplaces
and
faith
communities,
but
if
there
happened
we're
also
MF
older
populations,
we
have
Eleanor
and
I
have
a
meeting
in
May
with
some
experts
who
have
involved
in
community
development,
mostly
focused
on
the
vulnerable
populations,
so
we
be
open
to
any
people
who
are
interested,
but
those
are
the
three
were
focusing
on
initially.
Thank
you.
Thank.
O
M
M
We
were
for
a
couple
of
hours
today,
together
at
hospice
and
us
at
the
Senior
Center,
with
a
drop
in
ideas,
come
and
ask
questions.
If
you
would
like
to
know
more
about
it,
and
we
have
two
workshops
plan
with
the
Senior
Center
in
June,
we're
going
to
the
Beth
Israel
synagogue
in
May,
we've
been
to
the
Catholic
women's
league.
One
of
the
meetings
we
have
was
with
an
anglican
bishop
and
so
on.
So
it's
initially
focused
on
advanced
care
planning
in
Kingston
and
South
Frontenac
and
maybe
more
broadly.
Q
Those
who
know
names
in
Richards
or
me
you'll
note
that
I'm
not
him
and
for
that
I
apologize
I
drew
the
short
straw,
so
my
name
is
marked
how
I'm
a
registered
professional
planner
with
ibi
group
here
in
Kingston
I'm
here
tonight,
just
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
proponent
of
the
Davis
tannery
lands.
Patrick
developments
in
regards
to
motion
number
three.
Q
So
thank
you
for
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
council
members
would
have
received
an
email
from
mr.
Nathan
Richards
on
behalf
of
the
proponents
earlier
this
evening
and
a
letter
from
ibi
as
well
and
on
the
motion
ending
that
we
outlined
our
position
on
the
motion
and
so
just
going
to
expand
on
that
a
little
bit
tonight
so
are
essentially
our
position.
Q
I'm
happy
to
say,
as
part
of
the
process
that
we've
been
going
through,
we
are
looking
at
as
part
of
our
next
submission,
a
revised
kind
of
waterfront
30
meter
ribbon
of
life
area.
That
includes
a
naturalized
shoreline,
as
well
as
enhanced
reen,
a
ization
of
that
30
meter
ribbon
of
life.
So
it's
partly
on
the
basis
of
that
that
we
are
the
opinion
that
the
motion
is
perhaps
to
duplicate
of
existing
work.
That's
already
underway.
Q
As
I
said,
the
see
RCA
plays
essentially
a
peer
review
role
for
municipality
on
a
number
of
aspects,
including
in
this
case
environmental
study
review.
The
MS
pally
actually
has
a
municipal
service
agreement
with
the
CRC
a
to
undertake
a
number
of
services.
On
behalf
of
the
miss
apology,
including
review
of
environmental
impact
studies,
so
they've
been
circulated
with
the
study
and
they
are
undertaking
that
and
have
in
fact
already
provided
comments
on
the
study
that
have
to
be
addressed
by
the
proponent,
going
forward
so
very
much
in
the
realm
of
a
peer
review.
Q
Q
A
and
the
other
agencies
will
also
note
that
we've
met
with
Friends
of
the
Inner
Harbor
and
Mary
Farrar
on
a
number
of
occasions
talked
with
them
met
with
them
on
site
and
talked
about
how
to
create
habitat
after
constrictor
development
and
also
how
to
mitigate
any
potential
impacts
during
construction
on
the
site
as
well.
So
we
are
being
proactive
in
dealing
with
the
concerns.
Q
I
think
that
we're
outlined
in
the
motion,
so
our
request
tonight
is
either
that
council
decide
to
not
go
through
with
motion,
or
perhaps
this
is
more
in
the
spirit
of
emotion.
That's
council
vote
to
direct
staff
to
ask
the
CRC
a
as
the
current
peer
reviewer
to
specifically
address
those
matters
in
the
motion,
so
that
the
matters
in
the
motion
are
dealt
with
by
the
CRC
a
and
that
staff
communicate
that
to
request
to
CRC
a
staff
specifically
to
make
sure
that
the
counselors
motion
and
concerns
are
dealt
with.
Thank
you.
Thank.
R
Thank
you,
worship
and
Thank
You,
mr.
taupe,
for
your
presentation
you
mentioned,
so
it's
pretty
clear
what
you
said.
First
of
all,
just
to
summarize
there's
the
your
opinion
that
the
work
in
the
new
motion
could
be
a
duplication
of
what's
already
happening,
the
CRC,
a
and
other
studies.
So
that
point
is
clear
and
the
other
point
being
that
the
the
timing
of
the
motion
might
be
a
problem
for
the
proponent
because
it
could
delay
the
project.
Those
were
the
two
two
points
I
heard.
R
R
Okay,
so
you're
saying
that
that
the
ribbon
of
life
principle
would
be
in
play
when
designing
the
use
of
the
space
in
the
30
meters
between
the
historic
shoreline
that
was,
that
is
on
proponents
property,
so
that
it's
not
rivet
of
life
per
se,
but
but
rivet
of
life
will
be
taken
to
account
when
doing
that
planning
and
that
landscaping.
That's
keeping
up
with
the
site.
Correct.
Yes,
cancer.
P
Development
like
the
proponent,
doesn't
even
own
those
lands,
and
so
it
didn't
look
like
any
mitigation
was
actually
occurring
within
the
purview
right
of
what
the
proponent
actually
owned.
So
with
this
new
information
tonight,
where
you
say,
including
reliable
Basking
sites
and
and
nests
friendly
substrates
for
turtles
with
those
new
additions,
be
within
the
lands
owned
and
under
the
control
of
the
proponent
good.
Q
Question
she's
my
opponent,
my
apologies.
This
is
kind
of
in
a
pulling
together
in
response
to
the
motion
and
trying
to
provide
more
information
and
certainly
I
understand.
Why
there's
a
bit
of
confusion
because
it's
really
been
quiet
since
the
public
meeting
about
a
year
ago,
we
haven't
made
a
resubmission.
So
none
of
this
kind
of
contemplation
in
the
background
has
really
been
brought
forward
to
anybody
outside
of
kind
of
the
internal
process.
So
the
intention
is
to
with
respect
to
the
lands
kind
of
outside
the
current
property
boundary.
Q
So
the
intention
would
be
to
bring
them
in
within
the
project
and
then
that
would
allow
for
those
types
of
initiatives
to
take
place,
and
so
that's
where
we're
relying
on
people
like
Mary,
who
has
a
great
knowledge
of
the
area
to
help
come
up
with
strategies
to
deal
with
habitat
preservation
during
construction
and
then
habitat
restoration
or
creation
after
the
development,
as
well
so
I
think,
hopefully,
through
the
process
going
forward,
we
can
provide
more
information
about
that.
Yeah.
P
Just
a
second
question
fun.
So
last
year,
when
we
had
the
meeting
public
meeting
on
March
8,
we
showed
like
the
shoreline
that
looked
like
it
was
basically
all
concrete
or
corrugated
metal,
I'm
now
hearing
tonight
that
there
could
be
naturalized
shoreline
amongst
it.
Would
that
be
like
any
ballpark
figure?
Are
we
talking
30%
of
the
shoreline,
or
would
it
be
50%
any
ballpark
onto
how
much
of
that
shoreline
would
now
be
naturalized
good.
Q
Question
and
I
had
conversations
with
opponent
about
using
this
image
because
we
knew
at
that
time
we
weren't
gonna
end
up
with
that
hardened
shoreline.
We
knew
there
is
gonna,
be
a
need
for
a
naturalized
shoreline,
so
pictures
worth
a
thousand
words,
and
this
picture
has
not
done
any
I
think
service
to
the
project,
and
so
the
intention
is
that
the
whole
shoreline
would
be
naturalized
very
much
like
what
you
would
see
and
dug
floor
apart
to
the
south.
Q
It
would
be
that
naturalized
shoreline
much
as
it
exists
today
and
then,
within
from
the
shoreline
edge
into
the
edge
of
the
development
that
kind
of
public
parkland
ribbon
of
life
area.
That's
where
there's
kind
of
that
question
that
what
exactly
happens
in
there,
but
certainly
the
edge.
The
intention
is
fully
to
keep
that
as
a
naturalized
shoreline
constable.
C
L
You
worshiping
through
you
just
a
quick
question.
So
deep,
would
you
say
that
if
there
had
had
been
better
communication
sort
of
all
along-
and
you
mentioned
there
was
a
sort
of
a
year
of
silence,
would
you
agree
that
with
better
communication,
better
drawings
and
just
a
better
relationship
overall,
that
kind
of
this
whole
thing
could
have
been
avoided,
because
it
seems
like
what
you're
offering
there's
a
lot
of
the
concerns
and
really
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things
it's
all
coming
forward
at
the
11th
hour
yeah,
which
is
very
frustrating.
L
Q
A
good
questions
do
mr.
Terry
at
the,
and
this
is
a
you
know,
kind
of
a
part
of
how
the
planning
process
works.
We
make
this
big
submission
with
a
whole
bunch
of
information.
We
have
a
public
meeting
and
then
there's
a
period
of
silence,
usually
for
some
time
well,
the
documents
are
reviewed.
Comments
are
provided
by
agencies
of
the
city
and
out
of
those
comments.
Q
Last
year
a
number
of
things
came
up
that
essentially
made
us
rethink
significant
opponents
of
the
project,
and
so
that's
why
it's
been
quiet
where
we
haven't
really
known
necessarily
where
we
were
going
with
a
lot
of
this.
It's
only
been
in
the
last
couple
months.
I
would
say
where
we're
starting
to
get
a
better
idea
again
where
we're
headed.
So
that's,
where
are
things
like
project
webpages,
are
useful
to
help
keep
people
up-to-date,
so
it
certainly
something
we
can
improve
going
forward.
So
you
would
agree
that
that's.
Q
And
so
mr.
chair,
the
parks,
the
city
through
the
parks
department,
has
expressed
interest
in
continuing
the
K
and
B
trail
through
the
waterfront
area
of
the
site.
So
as
it
as
it
extends
right
now.
You'll
note
that
the
waterfront,
the
K
and
B
trail
does
go
along
the
water
south
of
the
site,
and
so
the
intention
would
be
to
continue
that
trail
through
the
waterfront
portion
of
this
site
as
well.
Q
S
N
Q
So
we've
been
working
with
the
city
and
having
numerous
meetings
in
the
background
with
staff
and
with
agencies
to
discuss
the
comments
that
were
received
last
year.
So
in
the
last
couple
months,
we've
been
moving
towards
I
think
some
solutions
about
how
to
deal
with
some
of
the
bigger
picture
issues
such
as
the
location
of
wetland
boundary
and
in
the
next
couple
weeks,
we're
hope,
meats.
Q
N
Q
To
think
you
through
history,
so
that
this
is
a
mission
tonight
was
really
meant
to
specifically
address
the
motion
which
we
we
understood
with
was
with
respect
to
the
ecology
and
the
habitat
for
turtles
specifically
in
the
area.
So
there
are
a
number
of
issues
on
the
site:
Parks
Canada
comments,
cultural
heritage,
environmental
contamination,
etc.
So
we
are
looking
at
addressing
all
of
those
as
part
of
our
resubmission.
T
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
you
mentioned
I'm.
Just
following
up
on
one
of
councillor
o
Sonic's
question
you
mentioned
the
response
was
that
the
prom
opponent
is
looking
into
purchasing
more
land,
and
that
would
be
part
of
the
solution.
So
could
you
explain
that
a
little
bit
further
and
I'm
wondering
what
the
solution
would
be
if
he's
unsuccessful,
purchasing
that
land
yeah
so.
Q
The
the
the
owner
currently
has
possession
of
a
portion
of
the
shoreline,
particularly
the
southern
portion
north
of
river
streets.
There
is
about
70%
of
the
shoreline
or
60%
of
the
shoreline
in
front
of
the
development
that
is
owned
by
Parks
Canada,
we're
sorry,
Transport
Canada
and
the
other
portion,
mostly
to
the
north.
The
development
of
a
Burton
is
kind
of
under
disputed
ownership.
We're
not
sure
which
agency
owns
it,
so
we're
investigating
that
we
have
already
started
the
requests.
Q
We've
already
made
the
request,
the
transfer
Canada
and
they
have
initiated
the
process
to
dispose
of
the
lands
immediately
in
front
of
the
property
on
the
waterfront.
So
it
has
to
go
through
their
own
internal
processes
and
then
go
through
the
various
levels
of
government
to
see
if
any
of
those
levels
are
interested
in
purchasing
and
then
it'll
be
offered
for
sale
to
the
proponent.
It's
all
contaminated
the
phase
2
the
essay
examined
the
state
of
those
lands.
This
was
a
waterfront
area
as
well
as
the
Inner
Harbor.
A
U
U
Am
the
current
chair
of
living
wage
Kingston
as
an
Coleman
from
the
Ontario
living
wage,
Network
knowdon't
employer's
volunteer
to
pay
a
living
wage,
and
for
that
they
are
to
be
congratulated
and
commended,
because
they
understand
that
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
not
only
for
the
sake
of
their
employees
and
for
the
communities
in
which
they
live,
but
also
from
a
business
point
of
view.
Employees
making
a
living
wage
can
pay
their
rent,
feed
their
families
and
do
not
have
to
rely
on
public
assistance
or
private
charity
to
cover
their
expenses.
U
U
We
want
a
society
in
which
people
are
able
to
afford
the
food
they
need
of
sufficient
quality
and
quantity,
to
fuel
their
bodies
and
minds,
a
society
in
which
people
our
neighbors
have
decent
housing,
clothing
and
the
basics
of
life.
This
is
one
reason
why
loving
spoonful
became
a
living
wage
employer.
We
want
to
be
part
of
creating
a
society
that
were
for
us
all,
a
society
in
which
those
working
full-time
can
support
themselves.
U
That
seems
so
fundamentally
obvious,
and
yet
we
have
a
society
that
sorry
and
yet
we
as
a
society,
have
allowed
minimum
wage
to
slip
well
below
the
living
wage.
As
an
agency
working
for
food
security,
we
know
that
a
lack
of
food
security
is
not
a
lack
of
food.
You
know
this
as
well.
Anyone
who
goes
into
food
basics
can
see
there
is
plenty
of
food.
Food
security
is
not
solved
by
giving
people
more
food,
but
by
enabling
sufficient
income
for
people
to
buy
their
own
food.
U
It
is
that
simple,
the
living
wage
is
one
powerful,
easy
way
to
ensure
food
security
for
those
who
can
work.
The
second
reason
loving
spoonful
became
a
living
wage.
Employer
is
more
personal.
We
care
about
the
people
we
employ.
No
one
on
the
Board
of
Directors,
nor
the
executive
director
wanted
to
imagine
that
our
staff,
each
of
them
people
we
care
about
we're
living
in
poverty
after
putting
in
a
good
day's
work,
that's
simply
unconscionable.
U
Finally,
paying
the
living
wage
is
good
for
business.
We
attract
dynamic,
bright,
dedicated
staff,
and
part
of
that
is
because
we
pay
a
living
wage.
None
of
us
is
getting
rich
far
from
it,
but
employees
know
they
are
valued
and
they
know
that
their
co-workers
are
financially
stable
as
well.
It
was
a
joy
for
me
to
recently
hold
an
exit
interview
with
a
seasonal
employee.
She
reported
it
was
so
great
to
be
paid
a
living
wage.
It
really
made
a
difference.
Loving
spoonful
can't
tell
the
city
what
to
do.
A
V
V
He
was
a
design-build
contractor
now
retired
and
did
a
lot
of
work
with
Linney
Lilly
angles
back
in
the
day,
and
he
has
created
this
video
of
him
kayaking
along
the
tannery
shoreline
last
year
and
I
would
just
like
you
to
see
what
we're
talking
about
here
and
just
before
we
begin
with
the
video
I
would
just
like
to
clear
the
air
a
little
bit
and
say,
although
I
have
had
you
know,
pleasant
conversations
with
representatives
from
IB
I
like
Nathan
and
Mark.
My
position
has
consistently
been
that
mitigation
is
really
not
the
best
thing.
V
I've
recently
discovered
a
new
term
called
context,
sensitive
design,
which
I
think
is
powerful
and
I
think
the
city
has
made
great
strides
in
this,
as
in,
for
example,
the
new
design
of
the
third
crossing
and
in
the
new
designs
in
neighborhoods.
The
city
has
done
a
lot
of
outreach
to
neighborhoods
to
see
what
is
context
sensitive
design
in
those
respects.
Okay,
so
maybe
we'll
just
look
at
this.
Video
is
slightly
over
two
minutes.
Can
we
have
the
lights
down
a
little
bit.
V
V
V
V
V
So
this
is
the
other
side
of
the
river
which
you
see
is
built
up
now.
I
have
consistently
said
that,
instead
of
the
current
design
being
proposed
by
patrie
to
put
four
six
storey
buildings
that
my
preference
is
to
put
two
12-story
high-rises
along
read
or
Street
for
the
same
density
and
leave
half
of
the
land
green
space.
V
Thank
you.
So
there
is
the
picture
of
the
patrie
development
which,
as
I
say,
is
not
context
sensitive
design.
It
obliterates
all
of
those
logs
where
the
turtles
are
basking.
I
do
not
think
naturalization,
as
in
Doug
Fir
Park
is
appropriate.
I
think
those
logs
need
to
stay.
We
have
25
percent
of
the
wetlands
in
Ontario
left
and
we
have
declared
a
climate
change
emergency.
We
need
to
preserve
our
wetlands.
This
is
the
last
thing
we
need
on
our
shoreline
and
you
see
the
sailboat.
E
V
A
concern
both
I
mean
I
feel
so
strongly
that
the
shoreline
and
the
water
and
those
logs
should
absolutely
stay
I,
don't
see
why
they
need
to
be
removed.
Really
I
do
believe
that
a
30
30
metre
setback
is
a
minimal
amount
required,
but
I
mean
you
know.
I
do
not
think
that
grass
and
the
odd
orphan
tree
planted
as
what
is
sometimes
referred
to
as
naturalization
is
appropriate.
I
think
that
you
know
at
least
20
meters
should
just
be
left
should
just
be
left
to.
You
know,
support
this
extensive
turtle,
population.
L
Thank
you.
Your
shipment,
through
you,
I'm,
just
curious.
If
you
could
elaborate,
because
you
mentioned
something
it's
obviously,
the
concern
is
about
leaving
as
much
of
this
in
a
natural
state
as
possible,
but
you
spoke
about
your
suggestion
of
to
12
story
buildings
as
opposed
to
for
six.
Could
you
elaborate
on
that?
Okay.
V
V
P
Your
worship,
thank
you
so
much
for
making
the
delegation
tonight
and
showing
the
video,
because
you
can
really
see
how
shallow
the
water
is
along
this
site
and
in
the
email
that
we
got
tonight
up,
5:40
from
the
proponent
like
they
did
talked,
they
did
mention
in
there.
How
they've
been
talking
to
you
so
I
just
wondered
this
bar
like
on
a
scale
of
1
to
10,
where
10,
here
more
worried
and
a
lower
number
you're,
not
so
worried,
based
on
the
talks
that
you've
had
with
the
proponent.
P
V
Therefore,
mitigation
is
allowed,
whereas
if
it
were
a
threatened
species
like
Blandings,
then
the
environment
would
have
to
be
preserved,
but
I
would
suggest
that,
given
that
there
is
a
climate
change
emergency
that
perhaps
this
is
an
ideal
opportunity
to
put
your
money
where
your
mouth
is
and
sort
of
say.
Well,
you
know
we're
talking
about
we're
talking
about
preserving
wetlands
that
are
disappearing
and
we're
talking
about
turtles,
which
are
the
world's
most
endangered
species.
V
A
E
You
mayor,
Paterson
and
through
you
I'm
pleased
to
present
a
petition
written
by
the
grade
4/5
class
at
Elgin
burg,
public
school
and
a
quick
preface
is
that
these
students
did
a
tremendous
amount
of
research
search
to
present
their
petition
actually
as
a
motion.
So
in
honor
of
the
hard
work
that
they
did
over
about
three
months,
not
only
collecting
the
signatures
of
which
there
are
fifteen
hundred
I'm
very
impressed
by
that
number,
but
citing
all
their
sources
were
all
there.
E
Whereas
clauses
I'm
gonna,
actually
read
it
verbatim
to
the
Honorable
mayor,
Brian
Patterson
in
Kingston,
City
Council,
whereas
plastic
bags
and
polystyrene
are
so
lightweight
that
they
could
blow
it
into
trees,
streams,
lakes
and
oceans.
Only
11%
of
all
plastic
in
Canada
gets
recycled
annually,
whereas
Canadians
use
two
point.
Eight
six
billion
two
point:
eight
six
billion
plastic
shopping
bags
per
year,
whereas
the
plastic
bags
in
polystyrene
are
made
from
petroleum
and
mining.
E
According
to
the
ocean
conference
of
the
United
Nations,
whereas
plastic
bags
take
ten
to
a
thousand
years
to
decompose
and
polystyrene
never
biodegrades
and
can
be
fatal
for
fatal
for,
while
wildlife
excuse
me,
whereas
stores
can
sell
reusable
plant
fiber
bags
and
take-out
food
and
drinks
can
be
served
in
cardboard
or
reusable
containers,
whereas
the
students
of
mr.
eats
great
for
five
class
and
all
grade
fives
from
elgin
berg,
public
school
and
all
children
in
kingston
want
and
need
clean
lakes
to
swim
in
clean
air
to
breathe
and
a
healthy
planet.
We
the
undersigned.
E
A
A
Thank
you.
There
is
one
other
petition
that
I
have
on
the
addendum
a
petition
bearing
approximately
three
hundred
and
forty
six
signatures
was
received
by
the
city
clerk
and
referred
to
council
and
acting
chief
administrative
officer.
It
reads
as
follows:
mayor
Paterson,
members
of
City
Council
of
Kingston,
the
students
and
community
of
Medlen
jawoll,
wish
to
present
a
petition
in
regards
to
the
tanneries
shoreline
project
which,
in
dangers
of
precious
turtle
habitat
here
the
motives
of
the
petition.
A
The
city
is
considering
the
development
of
the
Inner
Harbor
neighborhood
by
giving
permission
for
the
construction
of
apartment
buildings
alongside
the
Davis
tannery
January.
Shoreline
wetland
is
a
perfect
place
for
totals
to
make
their
nests
and
hibernate
during
the
winter
season.
The
construction
threatens
the
turtle
habitat
of
the
Kingston
Inner
Harbor.
A
We
know
for
a
fact
that
the
snapping
turtle
and
the
northern
map
turtle
are
species
with
special
concerns
we
or
us,
and
the
mayor
members
of
the
City
Council
to
put
in
place
measures
that
will
reduce
environmental
impact
on
the
turtles,
leave
a
reasonable
space
along
the
cataract.
We
River
for
turtles
to
bask
breed
and
lay
their
eggs
safely
and
limit
vehicle
circulation
in
this
area.
Are
there
any
other
petitions
to
present
councillor
Chappell.
S
Yes,
your
worship,
the
this
Perdition.
This
is
a
petition
that
was
a
great
community.
Activism
from
the
residents
of
Westbrook
Westbrook
is
obviously
located
the
west
end
of
our
city.
It's
recently
seen
some
increased
developments
with
three
subdivisions
over
the
last
number
of
years:
Westbrook,
Meadows,
Creekside
and
Bayview.
Of
course,
there
are
135,
Holmes
and
Westbrook
meadows
and
there's
still
some
quality
Lots
available
for
sale,
there's,
Creekside
and
Bayview
just
beginning
to
be
occupied
with
seven
new
homes
under
construction.
S
There's
also,
you
know
being
part
of
the
old
township
they
were.
They
have
school
and
I
might
add
that
this
is
perhaps
the
only
public
school
in
Kingston,
which
does
not
have
a
sidewalk
to
allow
students
to
safely
travel
along
roadway.
So
fellow
councillors,
Westbrook
Road
is
the
main
North
and
South
access
road
in
the
area.
S
In
this
room,
this
road
sees
a
lot
of
heavy
truck
traffic,
and
so
the
community
is
very
concerned
with
the
safety
of
their
children
and
adults
and
pets
that
walk
along
the
narrow
roadways,
so
an
acknowledgement
to
the
citizens
of
Westbrook
and
their
efforts
and
the
Westbrook
community
association.
This
group
of
engaged
citizens
initiated
this
visit
on
March,
9th
and
I'm
privileged
to
be
their
Cal.
Sir.
S
This
petition
reads
as
follows:
we
the
residents
of
Westbrook
our
concern
for
public
safety
along
Westbrook,
Road
students,
walk
along
the
road
and
wait
for
busing
load
without
a
safe
bus.
Stop
there
is
a
high
volume
of
fast-moving
heavy
vehicles
using
the
road
the
number
of
cars
traveling.
This
road
is
increasing
as
new
housing
is
being
built.
Our
concern
is
the
absence
of
a
sidewalk
provides
safety
for
the
growing
number
of
pedestrians,
using
this
road
way
to
access
schools,
parks,
our
local
church,
our
local
store
the
farmers
market
and
for
exercise
and
dog
walking.
S
As
noted,
this
petition
was
circulated
door-to-door
in
the
community
and
nearby
business
and
farms.
This
evening,
I'm
presenting
the
signatures
of
384
residents
and
interested
persons
who
use
Westbrook
Road
to
reach
their
business
or
employment,
specifically
42
residents
residing
along
Westbrook
Road,
sign
this
petition,
as
well
as
many
area
businesses.
So
it
gives
me
great
pleasure
to
present
this
petition
on
behalf
of
the
community
Westbrook,
to
support
their
request
to
have
the
city
expeditiously
install
a
sidewalk
along
Westbrook
Road,
in
accordance
with
the
city's
active
transportation
master
plan.
S
A
A
A
C
B
R
A
R
W
It
also
addresses
some
concerns
that
were
noted
with
the
operation
of
the
street,
with
some
of
the
park
activity
last
year
in
which
we
saw
vehicles
in
no
parking
and
vehicles
parked
in
a
way
that
they
were
obstructing
driveways
and
making
u-turn
movements
on
the
street,
so
that
that
is
the
rationale
around
that
changes
proposed
on
Beverly
and
the
metered
areas
that
are
being
proposed
to
be
added
on
the
east
side
of
Collingwood
Street
and
a
section
of
King
Street.
Further
to
that,
there's
the
provision
of
to
accessible
parking
spaces
on
Beverly
Street.
R
Yes,
and
so
the
pedestrian
activated
signals
is
in
place
and
functioning
and
there's
these
parking
things
I
guess
the
question
would
be
for
around
the
enforcement
of
the
parking
regulations
and
the
and
the
metered
parking,
and
so
on.
Does
staff
Wilmore
Wilmore
parking
enforcement
officers
be
in
the
area
because
that's
the
other
side
of
the
of
the
problems
that
we
saw
last
year
with
with
the
illegal
parking
is
that
does
that
go
along
with
these
parking
changes.
W
Through
your
worship,
so
this
area
is
part
of
our
regular
enforcement,
so
it
has
officers
that
are
in
the
area
on
a
on
a
daily
basis,
they're,
the
the
the
paid
parking
aspects
and
the
time
restriction
aspects
don't
apply
on
Sunday,
but
we
are
looking
at
some
ways
in
which
coverage
for
for
bylaw
violations
related
to
to
no
parking
or
to
driveway.
Blockages
can
be
addressed
during
that
time
as
well.
E
You
mayor
Paterson,
through
you,
I,
had
a
number
of
residents
reach
out
to
me
about
this
wondering
if
third,
every
potential
to
have
additional
parking
spots-
and
one
of
the
ideas
of
many
that
was
suggested-
was
on
the
utilities
Kingston
lawn,
if
that
would
be
a
potential
to
add
space
for
people
to
park,
because
this
is
a
move
in
the
right
direction
with
what's
been
described.
But
actually
the
capacity
is
obviously
overflowing
and
could
we
add
more
spots.
W
Three-Year
worship,
I'll,
start
I
think
from
a
from
a
parking
supply
standpoint,
we've
maximized
the
availability
of
the
space
that
exists
right
now,
so
the
changes
that
are
be
are
being
recommended
tonight
are
about
utilizing
those
spaces
in
a
more
efficient
way
and
managing
the
turnover
of
those
spaces
such
that
the
spaces
can
be
available
for
the
most
people,
most
often
for
them
to
visit
the
park
with
respect
to
the
utilities
Kingston
parking
area.
Mr.
Keats
you'll
speak
to
that.
Mr.
C
X
Three-Year
worship
fairly
quickly,
I,
we
would
not
be
in
favor
of
that.
There
is
some
room
there,
but
it
is,
you
know
it's
not
it's
kind
of
an
industrial
facility.
We
have
a
lot
of
deliveries,
a
lot
of
big
trucks
and
things
like
that,
and
we
would
be
concerned
to
use
it
for
public
parking.
For
those
reasons,
thank.
A
E
Y
You
and
three
mister
mayor,
so
the
the
plan
that
was
completed.
The
visioning
exercise
that
was
completed
a
couple
of
years
ago
did
identify
a
portion,
probably
about
half
of
the
Kingston
Penitentiary
site
as
an
area
to
remain
for
tourism
use
and
purpose.
So
the
the
uses
that
we're
talking
about
in
terms
of
public
tours
and
filming
would
fall
within
those
type
of
tourism
uses.
Y
Through
you,
mr.
mayor,
so
the
the
the
city
does
have
an
agreement
currently
for
this
year
with
Correctional
Services
Canada.
We
are
working
on
a
potential
multi-year
agreement
as
well,
which
we
we
would
bring
back
to
Council
for
approval.
No
decision
has
been
made
at
this
point
from
Correctional
Services
Canada,
as
well
as
Canada
lands
Corporation,
which
acts
on
its
behalf
to
dispose
of
the
property.
Y
X
A
P
You
your
worship,
the
sub
proposed
subdivisions.
In
my
district,
there
are
78
freight
and
passenger
trains
that
travel
every
day
on
the
main
rail
line
running
through
the
city
and
the
backyards
of
13
of
these
homes
are
going
to
be
30
meters
away
from
the
railway
fence.
So
your
worship
I,
don't
object
to
the
subdivision.
P
I
just
subject
to
there's
like
gonna,
be
47
homes,
all
together,
that's
being
proposed,
I
just
object
to
the
13
homes
that
are
gonna,
be
so
close
to
the
railway
right
away,
and
it
is
true
that
zoning
bylaw
78626
allows
for
a
30
meter
setback
and
it's
a
standard
across
most
of,
if
not
all,
of
the
municipalities
that
I
google.
But
it's
also
true,
as
councillor
Chappelle
pointed
out
that
night,
a
planning
committee
that
that
bylaw
was
written
in
the
1970s
and
the
trains
are
much
longer
now
and
C.
P
N
freight
traffic
rose
by
9%
alone,
just
last
year
from
2017
to
2018
a
lot
of
trains
really
really
long.
So
these
homes,
they're
gonna,
be
backing
on
to
the
mainline.
This
goes
from
Toronto
to
Eastern
Ontario.
Some
people
have
said.
Oh,
my
home
used
to
back
onto
a
rail
what
line.
Well,
it
was
it
the
mainline,
it's
not
the
spur
line,
we're
talking
about
that
goes
across
Bath,
Road
down
to
the
em
fist,
Center,
or
the
branch
line
that
then
fears
off
the
mainline
in
Brockville
and
goes
up
to
Ottawa.
P
This
is
the
mainline
trains
go
much
faster
on
the
mainline
and
that
what
makes
these
homes
like
for
the
railway
noise
that
much
noisier
is
that
it's
halfway
between
two
level
crossings
so
to
the
west.
You
have
the
Collins
Bay
Road
level
crossing
with
the
train.
Whistles
right,
the
engineers
have
to
blow
their
whistles
three
to
five
times
by.
You
know
like
the
and
to
the
east
of
this
proposed
subdivision:
are
the
railway
crossing
across
from
Frontenac
secondary
school
and
some
other
cities
like
they
have
the
mainline,
but
some
of
those
cities
have
enacted.
P
P
What
else
can
I
say?
I
just
don't
want
to
reopen.
The
train
was
so
debate
and
for
these
trains
you
know-
and
it's
gonna
be
loud
I'm
also
with
climate
change.
You
know
a
lot
of
these
homes
they
might
have
to
have
their
windows
closed
in
the
backyard.
I
went
all
summer.
Long
and
I
don't
want
to
force
anyone
to
have
to
use
air
conditioning
if
they
would
rather
have
their
windows
open
and
so
I
can
just
see
how
this
is
gonna
reopen.
P
The
train
was
so
bad,
and
even
though,
for
these
homes
we
will
have
a
clause
in
the
sale
of
agreement,
purchase
a
sale
agreement
and
also
a
clause
warning
about
the
tracks
in
the
home
own
owner's
manual.
I
know
from
experience
that
they're
gonna
be
coming
to
their
local
councillor,
asking
to
do
something,
and
the
last
time
we
saw
the
train
was
so
bad
I'm,
you
know
come
to.
P
A
committee
was
back
in
2014
and
the
estimated
cost
of
as
1.1
million
dollars
that
we
would
have
to
fence
the
railway
line
through
the
West
End
on
both
sides.
1.1
million
dollars
that's
a
hefty
price
tag,
and
that
is
why
I
can't
support
the
subdivision,
as
it
is
now
because
it's
about
those
13
homes
on
the
south
side,
backing
on
to
the
railway
tracks
within
30
metres
of
the
right
away.
Thank
you.
Your
worship
thank.
A
You
so
I
I
do
appreciate
councillor
Oh
sanics
work
as
the
district
councillor
advocating,
for
what
is
an
important
issue
in
that
district.
I
actually
also
happen
to
listen
to
live
in
councillor
Ross,
annex
district,
and
so
she
does
a
she
does.
A
great
job
advocating
fir
for
residents
there,
but
I
think
that,
just
with
a
couple
of
comments,
obviously
I
think
having
looked
at
this
I
think
that
this
is
good
planning.
We
have
a
housing
crunch
in
Kingston
and
an
extra
13
Lots
for
people
to
be
able
to
live.
A
In
my
view,
that's
buyer
beware,
and
the
fact
is
that
some
people
can
live
near
a
train
track
and
it
just
doesn't
bother
them.
So
if
councillor
sanic
I
would
encourage
council
to
vote
for
this,
and
if
councillor
sanic
gets
complaints
residents,
then
she
can
send
them
to
me
as
well
and
I
will
encourage
them
to
say
that
when
we
were
looking
for
a
home,
we
looked
very
much
when
we
would
buy
a
home,
we
would
see
their
trail.
Racks
are
right
there
and
we
would
make
that
judgment.
A
And
that
carries
ok.
We
have
nothing
from
committee
of
the
whole
information
reports.
If
you
have
any
questions,
please
raise
your
hand.
Number
1,
2019
municipal
debt
limits,
number
2
tender
and
contract
awards,
subject
to
the
established
criteria
for
delegation
of
authority
for
the
month
of
February
20
1940
Lyra
Port,
Kingston,
Economic,
Development,
Corporation,
q4,
2018,
councillor
Kiley,
Thank,.
E
You
mayor
Paterson
and
through
you
on
page
259,
there
is
a
mention
of
attracting
and
working
to
support,
emerging
sector
businesses
and
I'm,
wondering
if
staff
I'm,
not
sure
who
here
would
speak
to
this
or
if
representatives
from
KidCo
are
here,
could
talk
about
efforts.
They've
made
to
bring
clean
tech,
industry
and
clean
tech
businesses
to
Kingston,
as
it
is
an
emerging
sector.
A
Z
You
through
you,
your
worship,
so
with
regards
to
attraction
of
clean
tech,
related
companies
and
startups.
We
do
have
an
emerging
sectors:
portfolio,
that's
closely
aligned
with
Queens
Office
of
Industry
partnerships
as
well
as
switched
in
2018.
We
forged
a
partnership
with
Kingston
process,
metallurgy
KPM
as
well
as
Green
Center
Canada,
the
National
green
chemistry,
Research
Chair
at
Queen's.
To
start
a
partnership
called
fuse
and
the
intent
of
that
is
to
work
together
with
Ted
code.
P
You,
your
worship
on
I,
do
have
two
questions
for
staff
to
for
Miss,
Roberts
and
thanks
very
much
for
presenting
this,
and
also
for
the
comments
that
we're
gonna
be
submitting
to
the
province.
I
have
to
worry
points
in
the
discussion
paper
that
the
province
has
and
I
just
want
to
know
what
the
interpretation
actually
is
so
where
it
talks
about
in,
like
starting
in
the
year
2020
and
then
going
on
from
there,
we
might
be
losing
the
we
and
and
the
hazardous
waste.
P
So
if
like
does
that
mean
that
we
wouldn't
have
it
at
Kirk
anymore
and
therefore
then
like?
What
does
that
mean
and
also
where
it
talks
to
about
making
it
more
into
the
producer
responsibility
for
having
like
waste
receptacles,
but
blue
box
receptacles
like
capability
in
our
parks?
What
exactly
does
that
mean
miss.
AA
Your
chair,
I'm
gonna,
try
to
address
all
the
the
questions
in
their
accounts,
arsenic,
so
similar
to
discussions
that
we've
had
about
producer
responsibility
for
the
blue
box
program
plan.
The
new
legislation
of
the
waste
free
Ontario
Act
also
calls
for
the
windup
of
we
programs,
which
is
for
electronics,
tire
programs
and
the
SW,
which
is
the
household
hazardous
waste
Depot
that
we
have
at
karke.
So
we
have
never
collected
electronics
at
cart.
AA
We've
always
allowed
that
to
be
producer
run
in
our
community,
since
the
start
up
of
that,
we
feel
that
it's
best
for
citizens
to
return
products
to
where
they
purchase
them.
That's
the
model
that
the
provinces
is
transitioning
to
right
now,
they're,
seeing
the
value
in
that
to
create
this
circular
economy
and
for
ways
to
be
seen
as
a
resource.
So
with
regards
to
its
SW,
which
is
just
municipal,
special
and
hazardous
waste,
we
refer
to
it
as
the
household
hazardous
waste
Depot
in
Kingston.
AA
The
the
province
has
just
issued
a
wind-up
letter
to
stewardship
Ontario
to
transition
that
program.
So
it's
still
very
new
stewardship
Ontario
right
now
is
the
the
company
that
funds,
the
cities
or
a
portion
of
the
city's
household
hazardous
waste
Depot,
and
that
will
change
in
the
future,
but
we're
uncertain
about
what
that
will
mean.
So
we
they
just
started
their
consultation.
A
couple
of
weeks
ago,
we
will
be
coming
to
committee
or
Council
with
details
on
that
for
the
future.
AA
P
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
just
have
one
other
second
question
and
that's
about
the
comments
that
we're
supplying
and
this
week
and
next
week,
through
the
end
of
on
a
pro,
is
pitch
in
Kingston,
so
I'm
worried
about
on
funding
like
volunteer
fatigue
right.
So
the
disappointing
thing
with
on
paper
I
found
write
with
the
province,
is
that
it's
same
for
the
neighbourhoods
and
cleaning
up
the
neighbourhoods.
P
P
You
know
to
the
community
group,
so
I'm
just
wondering
we
have
that
comment
being
submitted
in
number
23
and
do
you
think
it's
possible
that
we
could
just
add
a
sentence
or
two
that
if
the
province
could
provide
funding
for
like
a
paid
position
to
also
help
collecting
the
garbage
to
the
municipalities
like
that
is
something
I
would
like,
rather
than
just
always
just
relying
on
oh
yeah,
the
pitching
Kingston
crew
of
volunteers
they'll?
Do
it
they'll?
P
Do
it
I
think
there
should
be
like
someone
paid
to
on
on
staff
you
know
and
if
the
province
can
pay
for
that,
that
would
be
great
to
do
it
as
a
paid
position,
because
I
think
it's
unfair,
just
to
you
know,
rely
on
the
community
to
pick
up
all
the
roadside
garbage
that
we
have
each
each
spring.
Miss.
AA
A
Y
AB
Yes,
who
you,
mr.
mayor,
absolutely
part
of
the
process
of
coming
back
to
EIT
P
with
a
report
on
single-use
plastics,
is
engagement
with
the
community.
We've
done
some
survey
work.
We've
done
some
surveys
of
shorelines,
so
we
want
all
engagement,
an
opportunity
to
reach
reach
out
to
the
public,
so
that
will
definitely
be
taken
under
advisement
and
be
part
of
the
information
and
and
potential
recommendations
back
to
the
ITP
sometime
there
this
year.
Excellent.
Thank
you.
R
R
This
is
an
address
in
my
district
heard
about
it
quite
a
bit
during
the
campaign,
I
just
a
question
to
planning
it's
related
to
what
it
says
in
the
report.
In
the
see
the
summary
there,
the
appeals
one
talks
about
the
appeals
to
the
l-pad,
so
that's
page
four
out
of
five
in
the
report
at
the
top,
so
it
says
that
the
application
was
deemed
complete,
August,
29th,
2017
and
then
on
March
26
2018,
which
is
about
six
months
later.
R
R
That
the
very
last
paragraph
staff
will
be
suspending
further
without
prejudice
discussions
until
such
time
that
all
requests
and
technical
information
is
provided
by
the
applicant
and
I.
Guess
I'd
like
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
because
I
get
this
question
a
lot
in
the
community
and
now
I'm
able
to
talk
about
it,
because
we
have
a
report.
That's
great!
R
Thank
you
very
much
so
explain
the
180
day
rule
and
it
seems
to
me
you
could
go
about
what
the
complexities
of
the
site
required
in
additional
work
on
the
city
side
and
how
it,
whether
we
could
have
avoided
running
out
of
time
and
and
then
just
a
little
bit
more
of
the
explanation
of
of
what
studies
are
penned
like
what
information
is
still
has
not
been
supplied
by
the
applicant.
The
second.
AC
AD
You
and
to
you
so
in
in
the
Ontario
planning
framework,
there
is
a
contemplation
in
the
legislation
about
times
associated
with
making
a
decision
before
your
appeal
period
kicks
in
as
as
an
applicant.
So
from
from
that
standpoint,
with
the
legislation
there's
nothing
in
there,
it
gives
you
the
ability,
as
a
municipality,
to
stop
the
clock
relative
to
a
review
once
something's
deemed
complete.
AD
So
even
if
there
is
a
period
of
time
where
there's
inactivity
on
the
file,
then
the
file
starts
again
or
there's
a
protracted
period
of
review
where
there's
back-and-forth
as
soon
as
an
applicant
hits
that
threshold
of
time
they
have
the
ability
to
appeal
based
on
an
on
decision.
So
it's
a
bit
confusing
because
counsel
didn't
have
the
opportunity
to
even
make
a
decision,
because
we
hadn't
advanced
to
that
process.
Part
of
the
process
in
terms
of
the
technical
review,
but
that
is
how
planning
legislation
is
structured
in
Ontario.
AD
So,
from
my
perspective,
there
wasn't
anything
from
a
staff
perspective
that
we
could
have
done
to
avoid
the
situation,
because
we
were
working
through
the
process
associated
with
the
planning
applications
in
terms
of
the
additional
information
I.
Think
in
terms
of
some
of
the
engineering,
the
coastal
engineering
associated
with
this.
Some
of
the
technical
work
required
to
look
at
supporting
a
building
or
a
structure
within
the
floodplain.
AD
R
AD
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
so
certainly
as
part
of
the
L
Pat
process.
The
first
thing
that
has
to
happen
is
the
ALPA
actually
has
to
schedule
a
pre-hearing
conference
that
hasn't
actually
happened
since
the
appeal
has
been
filed
so
part
of
the
pre-hearing
conference.
The
whole
purpose
of
that
is
to
scope
what
happens
in
the
appeal
and
what
the
matters
that
are
being
debated
before
the
tribunal.
So
as
part
of
that
the
city
would
bring
its
perspective,
the
applicant
would
bring
or
the
appellant
would
bring
their
perspective,
and
that
would
scope
it.
AD
At
that
point,
we
would
likely
also
have
to
be
back
before
council,
so
if
there
was
any
new
information
to
make
sure
that
we
had
proper
direction.
So
it's
not
a
matter
where
information
could
come
in
through
the
hearing
that
were
not
aware
of
prior
to
the
hearing,
because
that
has
to
be
determined
through
the
pre-hearing
conference
and.
R
I
guess
my
last
question
has
to
do
actually.
I'd
have
many
questions,
but
this
will
be
my
last
one
tonight.
The
the
date
of
the
of
the
appeal
being
launched
was
March,
26
2018
and
we
remember
the
l-pad
process
actually
started.
April
1st
I
believe
around
there
or
April
2nd
was
it,
and
so
this
would
have
been
right
at
the
tail
end
of
the
old
rules.
So
we
could
just
explain
what
happened
with
the
Sitz.
R
L-Pad
is
hearing
this
when
when
it
finally
comes
to
a
hearing,
but
but
it's
using
the
legislation
that
was
in
place
at
the
time
of
the
appeal
which
was
March,
26
2018,
but
the
process
has
changed
and
well
while
you're
talking
about
the
new
process.
Is
there
anything
in
the
new
rules
that
addresses
the
fact
that
the
municipalities
might
often
run
out
of
time
with
the
180
day
rule?
That's
my
second
part
of
that.
Second.
C
AD
You
and
through
you,
so
that
the
new
legislation
had
extended
the
time
frames
to
provide
a
bit
of
additional
time
for
council
relative
to
that
minimum
time
threshold,
so
that
was
enacted
with
the
new
legislation
that
came
in
about
a
year
ago,
you're
correct
that
this
appeal
was
filed
prior
to
the
enactment
of
that
legislation
being
in
effect.
So,
in
effect,
what
you
have
is
one
of
the
last
matters
from
Mille
Angie's
perspective
that
will
go
through
the
old
OMB
system.
AD
So
this
will
be
proceeding
under
the
old
system,
the
old
rules
prior
to
the
change
to
the
L
pad
and
as
a
result
of
that,
from
a
scheduling
perspective,
these
matters
are
being
dealt
with
on
a
lower
priority,
because
the
new
rules
that
came
in
for
the
L
pet
stipulate
timeframes
for
decisions.
So
those
matters
are
proceeding
more
expeditiously
and
matters
that
were
appealed
prior
to
the
change
are
attending
to
get
a
lower
priority
in
terms
of
hearing
dates
being
scheduled.
AD
And
what
likely
the
length
of
the
hearing
may
be
to
hear
all
those
things
properly.
We've
been
waiting
typically
about
a
year
for
hearings
of
that
length
to
be
scheduled
from
the
time
that
they
are
scheduled.
So
at
this
point,
I
would
suspect
that
we
won't
see
anything
coming
forward.
We
have
no
notification
from
the
l
pad
of
even
the
pre-hearing.
So
at
this
point
it
seems
like
it
may
be
lengthy
period
of
time.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
moving
on,
we
have
no
information
reports,
members
of
counsel,
miscellaneous
business.
We
have
a
few
motions
number
one
that
is
requested
by
the
catholic
women's
league
of
Canada
City
Council
proclaim
the
week
of
July
13th
July
17
2019,
as
Catholic
women's
League
of
Canada
week
in
the
City
of
Kingston,
can
have
a
mover,
please
moved
by
councillor
Hollins
seconded
by
councillor
Chappell.
A
A
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
a
living
wage
policy
be
developed
based
on
the
Ontario
living
wage
network
certification
program
and
be
applied
to
all
direct
full-time
municipal
employees
and
the
city
of
Kingston's
living
wage
policy,
develop
a
preferential
consideration
for
any
contractors
and
partners
who
have
a
living
wage
policy,
counsel.
Mcclaren.
You
have
the
floor.
Thank.
O
You
so
the
intent
here
is
to
create
a
virtuous
cycle,
a
positive
feedback
cycle,
the
idea
being
that,
as
we
spend
more,
have
ability
to
spend
more.
We
help
businesses
that
may
be
struggling
to
pay
the
living
wage,
the
more
disposable
income
that
we
can
generate
within
the
community,
the
better
it
is
for
everybody,
including
businesses,
who
may
find
it
hard
to
do
this
now.
For
that
reason,
those
of
us
who
are
most
able
to
do
this
to
start
the
cycle
are
the
ones
who
should
do
it
and
we,
the
city,
are
already
there.
O
So
if
we
can
start
the
cycle,
improve
the
amount
of
disposable
income
in
people's
lives
within
kingston
that
is
spent
here,
it
helps
more
and
more
people
the
more
people
that
come
into
this
process,
the
more
it
gets
beneficial
to
everybody.
It's
almost
like
vaccination.
If
you
get
hurt
immunity,
if
you
get
a
high
percentage
of
people
getting
in
it,
everybody
become
safe
in
the
same
way.
If
we
all
do
this,
we
all
prosper
together
and
that's
the
essential
point
of
visit.
O
It's
not
mandatory,
it's
voluntary,
so
those
who
can
do
it
best
should
be
the
ones
who
are
leading
it
and
in
the
in
the
process
of
beating
this,
we
encourage
others
and
we
set
the
conditions
that
make
it
possible
for
others
and
just
to
take
this
to
a
much
higher
level
for
a
second,
a
stratospheric
level.
There
was
a
time
when
slavery
was
allowed.
There
was
a
time
when
child
labor
was
allowed.
O
There
was
a
time
when
we
didn't
have
workers,
compensation
or
worker
safety
regulations,
but
we
got
over
that
and
we
became
better
for
it
in
some
future
history.
We
may
look
back
and
say
there
was
a
time
when
people
didn't
were
working
but
couldn't
survive
couldn't
live
because
they
didn't
get
a
living.
Wage
history
hasn't
ended
yet,
and
this
is
a
time
this
is
the
issue
of
our
problem.
O
This
is
the
issue
of
our
time
with
regards
to
labor
rights
and
labor
were
labor
law,
so
I'm
asking
you
guys
to
consider
that
the
city
of
Kingston
is
best
able
to
do
this
right
now.
It's
not
gonna
cost
us
anything
in
the
near
term
and
we
can
send
our
own
style
and
our
own
pace
for
moving
forward
with
this.
So
let's
make,
let's
start
this
profit
of
feedback
cycle.
That's
this
virtuous
cycle
to
make
Kingston
a
better
place
for
us
all,
so
that
we
can
actually
improve
now.
I
understand,
there's
a
coming.
O
AC
A
S
Given
the
shift
in
the
economy,
I
am
sensitive
to
the
question.
If
any
declaration
motion
or
requirement
by
Kingston
City
Council
would
have
a
negative
impact
on
our
small
business
operators
and
or
inhibit
their
ability
to
afford
climate
friendlier
business
operations
and
choices
on
behalf
of
my
constituents
here
are
some
of
their
concerns
that
I,
like
council
to
consider
an
issue
is
already
moral.
Without
the
sanction
of
morality
from
municipal
representatives,
the
argument
that
wages
go
up
so
does
price
of
goods
is
valid.
S
Council
supporting
a
living
wage
decoration
will
divert
business
from
investing
in
climate
friendly
strategies
due
to
increased
labor
costs.
There
will
be
a
hindrance
to
small
business
sustainability
and
growth
if
barred
from
city,
tenders
and
contracts.
So,
in
fact,
I
think
we
are
debating
a
moral
issue
as
this
is
as
this
is
already
a
moral
issue
in
its
of
itself,
is
no
more
or
less
moral,
if
acted
upon
by
City
Council.
The
City
of
Kingston
does
not
become
immoral
by
not
passing
a
declaration
or
motion
about
a
moral
matter.
S
S
We
meet
these
neighbors
moving
in
from
the
GTA,
almost
weekly,
looking
to
make
a
better
life
for
themselves
here
in
Kingston,
where
it's
more
affordable
and
we
have
a
corporate
strategy.
The
market
Kingston
as
such
and
attract
new
labour
to
our
community.
So
I
ask
what
is
the
data
about
prices
increasing
and
wages
increasing?
It
is
the
ever-increasing
pressure
on
the
cost
of
rent
and
the
cost
of
homes
to
purchase
further,
with
more
and
more
and
more
small
businesses,
opening
the
majority
of
which
are
sustenance
incomes
and
sole
proprietors,
not
emerging
empires.
S
Might
the
living
wage
prevent
these
small
business
owners
from
affording
climate
friendly
choices
and
their
business
operations?
I
say
yes,
and
most
of
all
isn't
the
living
wage,
a
discussion
about
the
affordability
of
disposable
income?
Absolutely
fellow
councillors.
I
put
this
to
you.
Where
does
our
municipal
power
and
responsibility
does
a
lie
in
placing
living
wage
requirement
on
service
providers
to
the
city
of
Kingston
for
the
benefit
of
a
few
businesses
and
their
employees?
Or
does
our
power
more
so
lie
in
getting
rental
units
built
sooner
to
increase
occupancy
rates
and
lower
accommodation
fees?
S
T
Thank
you
and
through
you,
it
is
our
responsibility,
though,
to
make
sure
that
everybody
can
afford
a
place
to
live.
I
support
this
motion
and
I
support
the
motion
for
two
reasons.
We
have
a
housing
problem
in
Kingston.
The
mayor
set
up
a
housing
task
force
and
affordability
is
a
large
part
of
the
problem.
We
need
to
pay
a
wage
that
supports
market
rents
costs
in
Kingston.
If
we
don't,
we
are
only
adding
to
the
problem.
T
I
received
a
phone
call
today,
actually
someone
who,
whose
this
woman's
building
was
just
sold
and
the
new
owner,
has
a
property
manager
and
and
they
decided
to
increase
the
rent.
So
the
woman
has
a
one-bedroom
apartment
at
the
moment,
she's
paying
eight
hundred
and
eighteen
dollars
and
the
new
cost
for
one-bedroom
unit
in
that
building
will
increase
now
by
four
hundred
dollars.
So
for
anyone
moving
into
the
building
that
would
be
$1,200
for
a
one-bedroom
unit.
Minimum
wage
at
the
current
rate
is
$14
working
full-time.
T
The
monthly
take-home
wage
is
eighteen
hundred
and
ninety
one
dollars,
and
that
means
if
a
person's
paying
twelve
hundred
dollars
for
a
one-bedroom
apartment
they
have
six
hundred
and
ninety
one
dollars
left
for
food
for
clothing
for
medicine.
That
is
not
the
right
way
to
live,
or
certainly
that's
not
the
way
we
would
any.
T
This
is
not
luxury
that
we're
talking
about.
So
that's.
The
first
reason
I
support
this
motion.
The
second
reason
is,
and
I
checked
this
with
city
staff,
we're
actually
already
paying
a
living
wage.
This
is
not
going
to
cost
taxpayers
any
money.
We
are
already
doing
this,
but
we're
going
to
be
leading
by
example.
We
are
not
forcing
any
employers
to
pay
a
living
wage,
but
we're
going
to
again
lead
by
example,
and
hopefully
encourage
employers
to
see
how
important
it
is
that
people
can
afford
rent
in
our
own
city
and
I
hope.
L
Well,
while
we're
on
the
original
motion
right
now
correct
so
I'll
move
an
amendment
to
the
motion
moved
by
myself
seconded
by
Councillor
McLaren.
Now
that
new
motion
won
be
amended
by
replacing
the
word
direct
with
the
word
permanent
in
the
sixth
paragraph
and
at
the
seventh
paragraph,
be
deleted
and
replaced
with
that
staff
consult
with
stakeholders
and
report
back
to
the
administrative
policies
committee
with
details
of
a
policy
that
would
give
preferential
consideration
for
any
contractors
and
partners
who
have
a
living
wage
policy
so
the
whole
gist
behind
this
is
essentially
obvious.
L
It
was
spoken
to
the
word.
Direct
was
a
little
bit
vague,
so
that'll
be
clarified
with
the
word
permanent
and
further
to
that
is
basically
to
actually
allow
this
to
go
out
for
a
little
bit
of
consultation
and
a
little
bit
more
information
to
come
back
to
really
try
to
understand
what
this
would
actually
mean.
I
know
it's
been
mentioned
a
couple
times
that
the
city
is
already
a
living
wage
employer,
so
it
would
be
more
to
the
point
of
what
what
preferential
consideration
would
look
like
and
what
that
would
actually
mean.
A
I
That
might
be
one
way
to
incorporate
that
by
looking
at
a
broader
policy
on
social
procurement
that
would
address
as
well
a
living
wage
policy.
So
my
my
proposal
at
this
point
is
in
line
with
this,
but
broader
and
I
can
pose
it
as
an
amendment
to
this
amendment.
If
possible,
the
scope
of
work
would
be
bigger,
so.
A
The
only
thing
that
I'm
going
to
as
a
ruling
from
the
chair
is
that
this
is
an
amendment
to
emotions
specifically
to
do
with
a
living
wage
policy,
so
broadening
it
to
talk
about
social
procurement
in
Myra.
That
would
be
a
separate
motion,
a
separate
initiative,
rather
than
trying
to
put
that
into
this.
That
would
be
a
standalone
piece,
so
just
so.
For
that
reason,
I
would
rule
that
particular
piece
out
of
order.
It
really
has
to
be
something
that
amends
the
the
particular
motion.
That's
in
front
of
us:
okay,
okay,.
I
X
I
F
Thank
you
and
speaking
to
the
amendment
I,
I
support
the
intent
of
both
the
original
and
and
the
amendment
I'm
just
curious
how
staff
would
translate
staff
consult
with
the
stakeholders?
Are
we
talking
about,
or
maybe
the
intent
of,
the
mover
sag?
Are
we
talking
about
a
public
meeting,
giving
the
community
an
opportunity
to
speak
to
this,
or
are
we
defining
stakeholders
more
narrowly
than
that.
A
Y
You
and
through
you,
mr.
Muir,
so
we
would
define
at
this
point
stakeholders
more
narrowly
in
the
sense
of
especially
when
I
think
of
the
non-for-profit
sector
that
we
work
with
extensively
in
terms
of
service
delivery.
We
would
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
policy
is
put
in
place,
it's
not
penalizing
in
any
way
some
of
our
non-for-profit.
We
do
also
work
with
a
number
of
smaller
businesses
in
the
cultural
service
area,
for
example,
where
we
have
artists
and
and
new
startups.
Y
We
would
want
to
make
sure
that
we
target
some
of
those
smaller
businesses
to
understand
how
we
could
structure
a
policy
that
would
not
necessarily
penalize
some
of
these
businesses
and
and
potentially
prevent
them
from
doing
some
future
work
with
the
city.
So
those
would
be
the
ones
we
would
be
focusing
on
in
terms
of
stakeholders,
because
they
would
be
most
impacted,
obviously
by
any
change
in
policy.
Council.
A
A
Councillor
just
just
to
add
to
what
Acting
CEO
hurdle
has
said
so
I'm
just
gonna
make
this
comment
as
the
chair
that
the
amendment
would
call
for
this
to
come
to
the
administrative
policies
committee,
so
that
very
action
would
also
then
provide
a
forum
for
members
of
the
public
to
be
able
to
provide
input.
I
offer
that
only
as
the
chair
I.
F
A
F
I'm
somewhat
reassured
by
the
answer,
because
we
could
define
stakeholders
as
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
and
the
BIA
and
clearly
they
deserve
a
place
and
input
in
the
process,
and
they
are
stakeholders.
But
the
community
has
much
broader
group
of
people
that
are
stakeholders
and
I
would
just
I
can
support
this
motion.
I'm.
Looking
for
a
nod
from
the
mover
and
seconder,
if
the
understand
with
staff
and
the
mover
and
seconder
is
that
it's
going
to
be
a
very
broad
consultation
with
the
community.
X
R
Also
support
the
intent
of
this
amendment
I
believe,
but
before
I
can
say
that
for
sure,
I
need
to
ask
staff
again
about
interpretation
but
have
a
different
part
at
the
very
end.
So
it
says
partners
who
have
a
living
or
contractors
and
partners
who
have
a
living
wage
policy
and
I'm
concerned
that
an
employer
could
have
a
living
wage
policy,
but
it
wouldn't
necessarily
guarantee
a
living
wage
to
all
of
their
employees.
R
A
A
R
N
O
N
A
N
Hey,
so
this
both
the
mayor
and
I
are
looking
at
each
other
here,
so
basically
saying
he's
right
in
I'm
right.
So
what
is
that
this
report?
If
it's
an
information
report,
will
come
back
to
him
in
policies
committee
and
then
it
could
just
stop
there
and
he's
not
it
yes.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
I'm
fine
with
it
coming
back
to
a
min,
Paul
and
being
considered
there,
and
you
know
maybe
have
some
corners
knocked
off
it,
but
eventually
I
think
any
report
should
make
its
way
to
Council.
N
Y
N
Y
You
and
three
mr.
mayor,
the
honest
answer
is
I,
don't
know
at
this
point
we
we
obviously
saw
this
this
amendment
just
tonight,
so
unfortunately,
we
haven't
had
a
whole
lot
of
time
to
to
work
together
as
a
team
and
figure
out
how
we
could
fit
that
into
the
priorities
and
move
that
forward.
But
it's
something
that
I'm
committing
to
to
Council
in
terms
of
providing
that
information
within
the
next
week
or
so
to
Council.
S
You're
so
through
to
the
amendment
the
wording
of
a
policy
that
will
give
preferential
consideration
for
any
contractors
and
partners
who
have
a
living
wage
policy
well,
there'll,
be
any
exemption
for
businesses
that
have
just
opened
up
will
be
36
months
for
48
months.
You're
you're,
you're,
taxing
small
business
that
are
trying
to
make
an
establishment
here
and
again,
I
believe
that
you're
creating
a
hindrance
to
small
business
sustainability
growth
if
barred
from
city
tenders
and
contracts
sentence.
A
A
A
A
A
A
G
Thank
you.
Your
worship
I
want
to
sort
of
preface
this
by
saying,
I,
absolutely
respect
the
intentions
of
this
motion.
I
really
believe
in
in
ensuring
that
people
can
earn
a
living
wage
I'm
very
disappointed,
ultimately,
that
the
province
made
a
decision
not
to
continue
with
the
living
wage
project.
I
think
that
was
an
excellent
project,
but
I
do
have
some
concerns
with
with
this
particular
motion,
and
one
of
them
has
to
do
with.
G
So
so
that
is
a
concern
for
me
and
the
other
thing
is
you
know,
and
I
and
I
know
that
this
comes
up
from
time
to
time,
and
I
have
certainly
heard
a
counselor
ball
to
speak
to
this,
but
the
Employment
Standards
Act
and
the
minimum
wage
Act
or
legislation.
At
least
you
know
that
really
is
the
Providence
of
the
provincial
government
and
as
much
as
I
think
we
should
absolutely
be
looking
at
how
we
establish
our
contracting
or
our
our
tender
choices.
G
I
think
we
have
to
be
careful
that
we
don't
try
to
override
one
level
of
legislation
with
another
one,
so
I
I
agree
with
the
concept.
I
think
there's
a
lot
more
work.
That
has
to
be
done
before
that
this
motion
can
can
really
effectively
guide
staff
in
terms
of
what
we
want
to
do.
So.
My
suggestion
is
that
we
kind
of
rethink
this,
that
we
asked
for
a
more
fulsome
report
from
staff
around
this
whole
issue
before
we
kind
of
adopt
a
policy
or
suggest
that
they
go
off
to
develop
a
policy.
F
F
My
friend
and
colleague
bill
Glover
brought
forward
a
similar
motion
and
it
it
had
a
fair
amount
of
support
and
failed
by
a
vote
or
two,
but
it
was.
It
was
fairly
close
now
looking
around
the
horseshoe
now
I
see
that
there
are
four
people
that
had
an
opportunity
to
vote
at
that
time
and
I
believe
three
of
us
voted
in
favor
of
it.
So
I
hope
that
augurs
well
for
tonight's
motion.
I
will
say
very
quickly.
The
final
clause,
even
as
amended,
is
definitely
workable.
F
F
This
is
counsels
opportunity
to
do
something,
not
just
talk
about
an
anti-poverty
goal,
but
to
actually
do
something
about
it,
and
when
you
look
at
cities
that
have
adopted
a
living
wage,
New
Westminster
did
it
eight
or
nine
years
ago.
It
continues
to
be
a
policy
in
the
city.
In
that
city,
we
missed
an
opportunity
of
being
the
first
Ontario
city
to
do
it.
Cambridge
beat
us
to
it
by
two
or
three
years,
but
the
reality
is
when
there
have
been
economic
reviews
of
the
impact
of
a
$15
minimum
wage
policy
or
living
wage
policy.
F
There
isn't
a
city
that
shows
that
there
was
an
economic
loss
when
you
think
about
the
fact
that
you're,
taking
marginalized
people
who
are
living
on
the
edge
of
poverty
and
giving
them
more
money
through
their
employment
that
indeed
generates
local
via
local
economy.
This
isn't
a
company
making
more
money
and
having
the
money
go
elsewhere.
F
People
who
are
marginalized
in
Kingston,
who
have
end
up
with
more
money,
spend
it
in
Kingston
and
that's
in
the
case
in
cities
that
have
supported
a
living
wage
or
supported
a
$15
minimum
wage
and
the
fact
that
the
current
provincial
government
has
abandoned
the
commitment
to
a
$15
minimum
wage
I
think
makes
this
even
more
more
critical
for
us
to
support
so
I
hope
that,
indeed
we're
able
to
support
this
tonight.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
so
my
apologies
as
chair
councillor
Boehm
had
the
floor.
He
put
forward
the
amendment
and
I
neglected
to
give
him
back
the
floor
to
speak
to
that
motion.
So
for
that
reason,
councillor
Boehm
I'm,
going
to
circle
back
with
you.
You
do
have
four
minutes
and
30
seconds
on
the
clock
to
speak
to
the
main
motion
very.
L
Thank
you.
I
won't
take
that
long.
I
just
wanted
to
speak
essentially
to
the
two
main
motion,
as
amended
in
essence
now,
because,
obviously,
a
lot
of
people
read
this,
it
was
pretty
broad
as
councillor
Hill
mentioned,
there's
some
some
unknowns.
There's
some
concerns
the
biggest
thing
that
sort
of
allows
us
to
to
support
this,
in
my
mind,
is
the
fact
that
we
are
going
back
to
staff
to
go
back
and
consult
with
stakeholders
which
will
actually
come
back
with
more
information.
L
The
other
thing,
too,
is
the
fact
that,
with
that
more
information,
whether
it's
simply
a
couple
more
points
and
scoring
or
something
like
that-
we're
not
precluding
anybody
from
bidding
on
anything
or
being
a
part
of
something
I
believe.
The
intention
here,
which
was
my
intention,
was
to
simply
sort
of
lead
by
example,
to
say:
you'll
get
a
couple
extra
points.
L
So
with
that
in
mind,
I
hope
that
this
can
be
supported
and
that
what
the
information
comes
back,
we
can
have
that
more
fulsome
discussion,
so
I
mean
really
what
we're
doing
at
this
point
is
asking
for
that
information
to
come
back
so
that
we
can
make
a
better
educated
decision
going
forward
and
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things
we
already
know,
the
city
is
a
living
wage
employer,
it's
been
said,
probably
20
times
around
the
Horseshoe
tonight.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
Thank
you,
mayor,
Paterson
and
through
you,
as
the
secondary
of
the
original
motion,
I'm
pleased
to
support
it,
and
there
are
two
reasons
that
I
think
were
articulated
by
the
delegations
that
I
want
to
circle
back
on
and
double
down
on,
because
I
think
that
they
are
very
strong
arguments.
The
first
was
made
by
Miss
Coleman
from
the
Ontario
living
wage
Network
about
the
sophistication
of
the
policy
and
how
it
has
many
factors
which
actually
speak
to
the
needs
of
the
community,
the
heads
and
cost
costs
of
food
and
then
a
variety
of
others.
E
In
2014
I
joined
the
Canadian
Center
for
Policy
Alternatives
in
Toronto
to
do
their
version
of
the
living
wage.
They
called
it
a
calculator
and
it
allowed
you
to
select
where
you
were
in
the
province
and
it
took
into
you
account
statistics
Canada
data
for
your
region
to
determine
the
wage
and
I
presume
that
this
calculation
is
done
in
a
similar
way.
And
that
leads
me
to
a
point
that
was
brought
up
by
councillor
Hill.
That
I
don't
think.
E
The
intent
of
the
motion
where
it
says,
based
on
the
Ontario
living
wage
network,
is
to
use
their
number
in
and
of
itself,
but
rather
to
take
the
spirit
of
the
way
that
that
policy
is
developed
and
come
up
with
our
own
number.
So
that
way
we
are
more
immune
to
the
political
pressures
that
you
spoke
of
it's
a
very
valid
point,
but
I
don't
think
we
have
to
use
well
wns
exactly,
but
rather
take
the
idea
and
run
with
it
ourself.
So
that's
one
point.
E
Another
point
that
was
made
by
Ms
caner
earlier
in
the
evening
in
the
delegation
was
that
the
living
wage
is
actually
good
for
small
business
and
since
leaving
the
classroom
in
2015
I've
been
working
with
a
number
of
startups
in
Kingston
in
the
private
sector
and
I've
seen
many
of
them
adopt
a
living
wage
kind
of
officially
through
this
organisation.
Their
names
are
on
the
screen
earlier
this
evening
as
well
and
I've
heard
their
CEOs
talk
about
why
a
living
wage
is
good
for
small
business,
and
that
is
that
it
increases
productivity.
E
So
you
have
workers
like
the
letter
from
Miss,
Shah
Marsha
said
wanting
to
come
and
work
for
you.
You
have
a
sense
of
being
cared
for
as
a
worker
in
a
small
business
paying
a
living
wage
that
allows
you
to
contribute
more
to
your
business
and
another
way
that
a
living
wage
is
good
for
small
business
is
that
it
decreases
turnover
and
turnover
is
a
huge
cost,
especially
for
startups.
E
When
you
have
new
staff
in
and
out,
and
you
miss
developing
your
processes,
you
miss
developing
a
sense
of
culture
within
your
workforce,
so
the
decreased
productivity
that
comes
from
that
is
problematic.
So
having
a
living
wage,
which
will
keep
people
around
longer,
is
actually
good
for
a
small
business
Oh
and
as
councillor
Hutchinson
points
out.
That
is
also
related
to
absentee
absenteeism.
Absolutely
so,
for
these
reasons,
I'm
very
proud
to
support
this
motion.
E
I
Ontario
works,
particularly
for
people
who
are
our
lone
parents
and
rely
on
the
benefits
provided
through
that
program
through
social
assistance
in
order
to
provide
medications,
or
you
know,
gain
access
to
all
the
things
that
that
are
required
for
a
family
and
very
vital
in
some
cases,
particularly
if
there's
a
disability
involved
so
leaving
on
to
our
works.
Entering
the
work
working
world
is,
is
very
difficult
because
of
the
financial
challenges
associated
with
going
into
a
low
wage
minimum
wage
type
job.
I
A
living
wage
would
would
eliminate
that
barrier
that
need
to
remain
on
Ontario
works
to
ensure
access
to
those
those
benefits
and
that's
something
that
will
benefit
the
city.
We
currently
subsidize
a
number
of
programs
for
residents
who
are
in
low-income
situations
or
receiving
social
assistance.
Those
subsidies
wouldn't
be
required
if
we
had
people
who
were
making
a
living
wage
in
this
city.
I
We
will
see
a
larger
number
of
people
on
Ontario
Works
and
that
will
be
a
greater
number
of
costs
in
terms
of
programs
and
subsidies
that
are
offered
by
the
city,
so
any
move
that
we
can
make
in
the
direction
of
incentivizing
employers
to
move
towards
living
wage
by
setting
this
example
is
really
important.
Thank
you.
Thank.
N
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
a
couple
of
points:
I
want
to
make,
in
addition
to
some
very
good
points
that
were
made
earlier,
the
this
is
not
about
making
someone
feel
badly.
Okay,
in
fact,
it's
it's
quite
the
reverse.
It's
about
the
social
and
economic
quality
of
life
in
our
community
and
because
this
motion,
the
living
wage
policy,
does
not
say
you
have
to
do
anything,
it's
entirely
voluntary.
N
What
the
motion
does
is
it
says
the
city
should
make
certain
standards
which,
to
some
extent
it
does,
and
it
has
to
look
at
the
way
in
which
we
could
make
that
standard
more
applicable
to
our
communities
as
a
whole,
and
this
has
been
pointed
out,
help
numbers
of
people
and
be
good
for
the
economy.
There
be
very
big
studies
done.
N
This
one
was
done
by
Harvard
a
few
years
back
where,
if
you
raise
the
minimum
mum
wage,
if
you
put
up
you
you
raise,
if
you
have
a
living
wage,
you
actually
help
more
small
businesses
than
you
hurt,
because
people
have
more
to
spend
and
that
that
level
is
pointed
out
by
a
number
of
other
counselors.
They
have
to
spend
their
money
they're,
not
making
enough
money.
This
is
not
in
no
way
about
disposable
income.
N
Is
it
was
pointed
out
by
the
presenter,
the
there's
no
money
for
kids
education
for
newspapers
for
any
number
of
other
things
in
this
livable
wage
and
so
having
I.
Think
that
you
know
it's
not
a
moral
issue.
In
that
sense,
what
this
ask
employers
to
do
is
to
look
at
their
wage
structure
of
their
business
and,
if
capital
R
capital
F,
if
they
feel
that
they
can
afford
it,
they
they
would
be
you
know,
hopefully
they
would
opt.
N
Nobody
else
will
know
about
it
for
a
living
wage
and
the
other
thing
that's
here
is
the
issue
that
was
raised
about
wages
in
the
cost
of
goods.
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
economically,
it's
been
known
for
150
years,
okay,
that
the
cost
of
goods
the
cost
of
rents,
whatever
it
is,
is
comes
from
multiple
of
issues,
a
multiple
of
inputs,
including
utilities
and
energy
and
materials
and
logistics
and
building
costs,
and
wages
is
one
small
part
of
it
in
here.
N
We're
not
talking
about
low
wage,
we're
talking
about
incremental
increase
to
wages
if
the
employer
chooses
to
follow
up
on
it,
so
I
think
there's
all
kinds
of
good
reasons
for
supporting
this
I
would
add
also
that
councilor
Kylie's
intuition
that
it
was
set
by
the
CCPA.
That's
key
in
central
policy
alternatives,
they
the
original
analysis
for
the
living
wage,
and
they
are
noted
for
their
really
good
analysis.
N
One
time
they
predicted
better
than
the
federal
government,
what
the
deficit
or
surplus
is
the
federal
government
is
going
to
be
so
they
know
what
they're
doing
so.
I
guess
ask
people:
this
is
a
positive
step
for
our
community.
It
doesn't
require
anybody
to
follow
it.
So,
please
vote
for
this
motion.
Thank
you.
C
A
Politics
is
the
art
of
compromise,
so
when
this
living
wage
idea
first
came
to
this
council
six
years
ago,
I
voted
against
it
and
argued
strongly
against
it.
It
came
in
a
version
that,
in
my
view,
was
extreme
and
wide-ranging
and
would
have
enormous
costs
to
municipality
and
I
was
very
much
concerned
that
it
would
not
be
practical,
not
be
viable
and
that,
ultimately,
you
couldn't
take
what
a
municipality
and
someone
in
the
public
set
to
be
do
and
have
that
lead
the
charge
in
the
private
sector.
A
However,
I
also
see
the
values
and
I
understand
the
intent
behind
the
living
wage
and,
in
my
view,
what
we
are
working
towards
is
something
that
is
far
more
palatable
from
a
cost
perspective
and
hits
that
point
that
there
is
something
about
being
able
to
value
employees
and
be
able
to
pay
them
that
living
wage.
So,
in
consultation
with
the
mover
of
the
motion,
there
were
a
couple
of
things
that
I
was
looking
for,
so
the
one
was
the
fact
that
this
will
not
cost
anything
to
the
municipality.
A
I
think
that
that's
important,
and
obviously,
as
we've
already
stated,
everybody
that
is
a
full-time
permanent
employee
of
the
city,
makes
that
living
wage.
The
second
piece
that
was
very
important
to
me
is
if
we
were
going
to
look
at
a
preferential
policy
for
contracting
that
we
had
to
do
some
stakeholder
Inc,
and
so
all
my
thanks
to
counsel
in
supporting
that.
In
my
view,
that
was
an
absolutely
key
piece
again.
A
This
is
not
a
mandated
policy
where
you
have
to
have
a
living
wage
policy,
it's
a
preferential
piece
which
means
that
it
could
be
something
of
many
things.
That's
that's
thrown
into
the
mix
and
to
be
able
to
have
that
consultation
and
get
those
details
back.
I
think
that
that's
something
that
I
can
support.
So,
in
my
view,
you
can
have
a
living
wage
policy.
A
That
is
here,
and
you
can
have
something
that
is
here
and,
in
my
view,
we're
trying
to
find
something
that
is
part
way
in
the
middle
again
to
be
able
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
that
we've
heard
in
that
we
also
have
to
address
the
cost
of
living,
and
that's
why
housing
is
so
important
and
such
a
key
priority
for
us.
At
the
same
time,
understanding
the
other
arguments
that
have
been
placed
around
the
table
about
how
there
is
value
behind
the
arguments
of
the
living
wage.
A
So
for
that
reason,
I
am
able
to
support
this
I
think
that
there's
some
more
work
to
be
done.
I
want
to
see
what
the
details
of
this
policy
will
look
like
when
it
comes
back
to
administrative
policies,
but
I
think
that
this
is
exactly
the
sort
of
work
that,
if
I
can
describe
it.
This
way,
we
have
the
entire
political
spectrum
around
this
table
and,
in
my
view,
instead
of
shouting
at
each
other
and
saying
one
is
right
and
one
is
wrong:
can
we
somehow
find
something
that
is
workable
in
the
middle?
H
Thank
you,
Mary
Patterson
I
can't
support
this
motion.
Myself.
I
have
heard
all
really
appreciate
everybody's
inputs
and
do
I
live
and
act
in
in
support
of
this
and
really
value
those
who
businesses
that
do
that
and
I
would
support
them.
I'm
also
speaking
as
a
as
a
business
person
and
I,
don't
think
it
can
be
appreciated
around
here
unless
you've
how
to
pay
a
role
that
you
know
you
can't
meet
and
because
of
the
high
salaries
and
so
there's
a
I'm
in
the
professional
sector
and
a
skilled
trade.
H
You
know
I
get
that
and
so
I'm
proud
to
be
part
of
that,
and
and
yet
I
I
think
that
we've
learned
a
lot
when
the
government
did
the
task
force
on
them
increasing
the
minimum
wage,
and
it
seems
so
right,
even
the
dollar
an
hour
and
yet
I'm
not
sure
how
much
you
guys
can
appreciate
the
small
corner,
businesses
that
are
and
the
smaller
business
is
that
that
one
dollar
and
the
creep
that
that
is
on
their
payroll
is
absolutely
unbelievable
and
it
creates
a
situation
where
owners
can't
really
survive
it.
It's
real
life.
H
You
can't
meet
that
payroll.
If
you
have
14
people
and-
and
it
creeps,
there's
a
creep
that
happens
when
you,
when
you
do
this,
and
so,
if
you're
going
from
14
to
17,
it
will
destroy
a
business.
No,
it's
not!
It's
not
possible
and
I.
Appreciate
that
we're
saying
we
don't
there's
no
pressure
to
do
it,
but
there's
something
in
here
as
councilor
Hill
said
that
bothers
me
and
and
it's
not
even
if
it
passes
and
I'm
sure
it
will.
I'm
really
appreciated
the
amendment,
because
it's
gonna
allow
for
a
fulsome
look
at
it.
H
So
you
know
I
I'm,
not
gonna
lose
sleep
over
it,
but
I
really
think
that
I
appreciate
councillor
Chappelle's
words,
there's
a
lot
of
truth
in
what
you
know,
we're
all
saying,
but
there's
another
way
to
look
at
it
that
it's
it's
it's
it
there's
a
lot
of
concerns
here
when
I
see
can't
really
read
it
enough.
My
glasses
tonight,
but
you
know
where
we
I,
don't
like
the
term
preferential
consideration.
H
I,
don't
like
that!
I,
don't,
like
you
know,
saying
outright
that
people
cannot
adequately
live
work
and
play
that's
a
judgment
and
that's
that's
I!
Think
people
can
but
I
understand
the
challenge
of
the
I
believed
it
in
my
life.
So
I
understand
what
minimum
wage
is,
and
so
I
know
how
hard
it
is,
but
I
also
agree
with
councilor
chef
palette.
I'm,
not
sure
we
belong
here,
I'm,
not
sure
I
think
it's
that's
outside
of
what
we
should
be
doing.
I
personally
feel
that
anyways
I'm
happy
to
be
wrong.
H
So
I,
just
don't
you
know
what
cost
the
municipality
is
costly
municipality.
It
does
cost
us
because
it
just
makes
it
that
much
harder
to
do
business
for
those.
That
really
matter
are
the
businesses
that
employ
people
it's
going
to
could
close
businesses
once
that
subtle
pressure
and
I
worry
about
the
shaming
of
businesses
or
something
like
that.
H
We
should
never
do
that,
and
so
I
just
I
think
it
creates
more
concerns
for
me
right
now
than
I'm
prepared
to
say,
go
ahead
with
that,
I
think
it
should
be
studied
and
considered
more
and
and
have
businesses
really
respond
and
some
kind
of
study.
So,
though,
I
like
I
said
I
live
it
and
breathe
it
and
want
it.
I
have
to
speak
also
on
behalf
of
businesses.
That
cannot
do
it
and
and
respect
that.
R
Thank
you,
worship,
I,
don't
know
why
I'm
standing
up
after
being
on
my
feet
for
12
hours,
but
maybe
my
knees
need
it
frankly,
action
I'm
torn
now,
because
that's
let
me
first
say
that
what
I
really
like
is
basic
income.
That's
what
I
really
like
basic
income
at
the
federal
level.
That's
what
I
like
that
would
make.
R
We
are
a
community
that
works
together.
We
are
all
in
the
same
boat
together
and
having
adversarial
debates
about
the
pros
and
cons
of
a
living
wage.
It's
a
little
bit
surreal.
One
thing:
that's
really
have
a
mayor.
That's
actually
practicing
economists
that
teaches
economics
here
and
this
you
know
this
debate
must
seem
surreal
to
him
as
well.
R
We
have
you
know
we
have
a
city
that
is
already
paying
a
living
wage,
but
let's
just
look
at
what
a
living
wage
is
again
just
so
we
don't
lose
the
plot
here,
a
living
wage.
It's
a
relative
term.
It's
a
relative
term,
in
other
words,
costs.
When
you
add
it
all
up
of
everything
that
people
tend
to
spend
their
money
on
to
to
live
and
participate
in
society,
as
was
so
eloquently
put
by
the
very
first
delegation.
R
Those
costs
have
escalated
to
the
point
that
they're
beyond
what
the
bottom
wages
that
we
see
in
our
society
in
our
city
are
able
to
support
it's
a
relative
term.
So
an
and
housing
is
a
huge
part
of
it.
As
been
mentioned
already
well,
housing
is
used,
part
of
it
and
and
I
just
like
to
save
just
for
the
record
that
that
increasing
the
supply
of
housing
isn't
going
to
necessarily
make
it
more
affordable.
Are
you
just
gonna
say
that,
right
now,
it's
not
gonna
necessarily
do
that.
We
wanted
to
do
that.
R
It
might
not
achieve
that
goal.
Just
like
this
motion
is
not
going
to
achieve
affordability
for
Kingstonian,
so,
while
I
wish
for
that
and
I
and
I,
it
really
bothers
me
when
I
see
people
that
are
obviously
below
the
poverty
line,
trying
to
make
it
through
that
you
know
collecting
empties
on
the
street
or
whatever
the
people
do
to
try
to
get
by.
It
really
bothers
me.
However,
I
don't
know
whether
getting
that
the
city
getting
involved
to
this
extent
is
actually
a
wise
use
of
our
time.
R
To
be
honest,
I
promised
a
mover
I
was
going
to
support
this,
but
I
actually
think
that
there's
a
better
way
of
achieving
these
these
and
if
we
can't
get
basic
income
which
we've
already
asked
for,
and
that
was
awesome,
but
if
we
can't
get
that
and
we
go
in
this
direction,
what
does
that
say
about
our
push
for
basic
income?
I?
R
Don't
I,
don't
see
how
compelling
contractors
to
do
the
right
thing
you
know
from
the
city
perspective
is
getting
you
anything
but
sort
of
make
us
wag
our
fingers
at
contractors.
I,
don't
like
that.
I
think
we
need
to
be
able
to
objectively
evaluate
them,
and
that's
what
staff
does
so
thank
you,
staff
for
providing
a
living
wage
for
your
employees
already.
R
O
Okay,
just
to
be
clear,
this
is
no
compulsion
here
and
there's
no
shaming.
Okay.
The
whole
point
is
to
raise
the
structural
constraints
that
are
blocking
people
from
actually
paying
living
wage
now
voluntarily.
If
there
are
businesses
out
there,
that
cannot
that's
a
problem
and
those
that
can
will
improve
the
ability
of
those
businesses
to
survive
and
to
do
better
and
to
thrive,
and
when
those
businesses
do
thrive,
they
may
be
able
to
pay.
O
That's
the
whole
point
of
this:
it's
not
a
compulsion,
it's
a
start
of
a
virtuous
cycle
and
the
reason
that
we
tried
to
do
with
three
other
concerns
that
were
raised
that
weren't
addressed
by
my
colleagues.
The
reason
we
chose
the
Ontario
living
wage
Network
is
because
they
have
done
the
work
there,
we're
leveraging
their
research
their
knowledge,
their
theory,
so
that
staff
have
a
place
to
start
without
having
to
reinvent
the
wheel
at
every
special
every
time.
O
Also,
since
the
living
wage
is
a
local
location,
centric
thing:
it's
not
that
we're
app
taking
over
the
provincial
jurisdiction
for
the
minimum
wage.
It's
like
the
official
plan,
it's
centered
on
a
particular
community
and
their
needs.
That's
why
the
living
wage
changes
from
place
to
place
and
with
regards
to
the
fulsome
report
we
had
one
six
years
ago
and
that's
where
a
lot
of
this
came
from
it
asked
for
far
too
much.
O
As
the
mayor
had
pointed
out,
there's
extremes
that
would
cost
the
city
a
huge
amount
and
there
was
extreme
and
then
the
other
extreme.
There
was
do
nothing,
but
in
between
those
two
there
was
this
nice
starting
point
that
doesn't
cost
us
anything
that
fulsome
report
is
still
available
and
is
still
beneficial
for
us
to
read.
O
If
you
still
need
to
so
I
think,
we've
been
we've
answered
most
of
the
objections
at
this
point
and
I
hope
that
you
will
consider
that
doing
something
is
better
than
doing
nothing,
and
even
if
we
can't
get
the
basic
income
guarantee.
At
least
this
is
a
step
in
a
positive
direction,
as
opposed
to
a
negative
direction.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
S
Your
worship
I'd
like
to
make
a
point
of
order
and
I
didn't
want
to
ruin
the
flow
of
debate
because
I
think
it's
very
helpful.
But
you
mentioned
that.
There's
all
political
spectrums
around
the
table
and
I
somewhat
take
offense
to
that,
because
I
ran
at
the
municipal
level
because
I
see
council
as
a
team
and
of
all
the
other
levels
of
government.
I
I
just.
S
A
We
hope
the
creative
options
done
before
point
of
order
really
does
relate
to
the
process
and
procedural
rules.
If
you
feel
that
I've
done
something
procedurally
incorrect,
then
that
would
be
a
point
of
order.
So,
okay
I
gave
you
a
few
seconds,
though
okay,
so
we
will
call
the
vote
now
on
the
motion
as
amended.
A
C
A
C
G
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
council
direct
city
staff
to
investigate
possible
options
for
the
city
to
contribute
and
help
hospice
Kingston
achieve
its
fundraising
goals
within
the
financial
parameters
of
councils,
new
strategic
plan
to
be
discussed
at
its
next
strategic
planning
session
and
I
recognize
the
mover
mayor
Patterson.
Thank.
A
You
very
much
I
think
that
the
delegation
that
we
heard
from
this
evening
did
a
great
job
of
putting
forward
the
case
and
the
need
for
why
a
hospice
facility
is
absolutely
needed
in
Kingston
the
the
statistic
they
certainly
grabbed.
My
attention
is
that
Kingston
is
the
largest
municipality
in
Ontario.
That
does
not
have
a
hospice.
It's
one
of
those
pieces,
that's
so
important
to
quality
of
life,
and
we
make
so
many
investments
in
our
parks
and
culture
and
recreation
programs
and
all
these
things
that
contribute
to
quality
of
life.
A
But
we
have
to
think
about
quality
of
life
at
the
end
of
life
and
I.
Think
that
that's
really
the
vision
behind
a
hospitals,
so
I
will
say
that
there
and
I'm
sure
that
everyone
around
the
table
recognizes
this,
that
there
are
often
a
number
of
requests
that
come
to
council
and
we
always
have
to
be
very
careful
to
weigh
those
out.
But
in
this
particular
case
we
not
only
have
an
identified
need.
A
We
have
an
organization
that
has
already
done
an
enormous
amount
of
work
over
the
last
three
years
to
fundraise
80
to
90
percent
of
the
money.
That's
needed,
and
my
view
is
always
that
that
sort
of
work
should
be
rewarded.
I
always
believe
that
that's
the
role
where
the
city
can
partner
when
the
community
has
already
demonstrated
its
own
commitment
privately
and
that
we're
now
just
talking
about
an
additional
partnership
to
be
able
to
get
to
the
finish
line.
A
That's
that's
a
sort
of
setting
where
I
believe
that
it's
right
to
be
able
to
consider
a
request
like
this
now
I
do
understand.
There
are
a
lot
of
other
priorities
that
we
have
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
over
the
coming
weeks
and
months
to
be
able
to
balance
our
priorities
and
again
make
sure
that
we
stay
within
the
financial
parameters
that
that
we're
gonna
target
over
the
next
four
years.
A
So
that's
why
the
motion
is
asking
staff
to
see
what
is
feasible
within
that
broader
view
of
what
would
fit
within
our
larger
strategic
plan.
So
with
that,
I
certainly
asked
for
council
support
again.
This
will
be
information
that
will
come
back
to
us
to
be
able
to
equip
us
to
make
a
decision
moving
forward.
Thank
you.
Thank.
L
You,
deputy
mayor
and
through
you
I
just
like
to
build
on
the
mayor's
comments
on
this.
This
is
one
of
those
services
that
you
don't
really
think
about
it
or
need
it
until
you
need
it
and
and
then
you
need
it
and
it's
something
we're
having
something
like
this
in
the
community.
Is
it's
it's
about.
We've
heard
it
earlier
with.
You
know
the
dignity
and
just
having
access
to
that.
The
other
thing,
too,
is
sitting
on
a
lot
of
committees.
L
We
all
know:
we've
all
been
there
where
somebody
will
come
in
and
ask
for
something,
and
they
can.
The
first
thing
you
kind
of
say
is
well
what
have
you
done
then
it's
kind
of
like
well
I
just
came
sorta
to
you
first
and
it's
very
hard
sometimes
to
support
something
like
that,
because
we
have
an
unlimited
amount
of
demands.
Unlimited
amount
of
resources,
so
you
can
very
quickly
get
yourself
in
a
good
pickle
there.
L
So
this
is
something
where,
in
essence,
the
city
is
just
kind
of
putting
that
that
that
extra
little
bit
in
to
kind
of
finish
this
off
and
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things
I
think
it's
a
lot
more
clear
here
that
the
community
support
was
there
and
that
we're
doing
the
right
thing
by
supporting
this
in
the
sense
that
the
vast
majority
of
the
work
was
already
done,
and
it
was
done
by
volunteers
and
community
members.
So
with
that
it's
it's
makes
it
a
lot
easier
to
support,
rather
than
somebody
kind
of
coming
here.
L
F
You
and
I
want
to
thank
the
mayor
for
inviting
me
to
second
this
motion.
As
we
heard
from
the
prison
one
of
the
presenters
today
we're
the
only
city,
our
size
that
doesn't
have
a
hospice,
and
we
pride
ourselves
in
saying
quite
proudly
we're
Ontario's
most
livable
city
and
it's
something
we
strive
for.
I
have
to
say
to
be
a
livable
city.
We
should
be
able
to
die
in
dignity
and
that
isn't
afforded
without
a
hospice
service
in
a
community.
F
As
many
of
you
know,
my
older
sister
passed
away
last
summer
and
she
spent
six
weeks,
you
know
hope
in
her
own
home
and
then
four
weeks
in
intensive
care
at
an
enormous
cost
and
a
hospice
program
would
have
afforded
the
opportunity
to
die
with
with
dignity
and
that's
what
this
motion
is
about.
It's
not
about
whatever
1.4
million
or
whatever.
It
is.
That's
here
and
I'm
quite
happy
to
support
this,
because
it
gives
our
staff
an
opportunity.
F
We
always
talk
about
non
tax
revenues,
but
we
should
also
talk
about
non
tax
expenditures
when
we
can
as
well
and
the
idea
of
being
able
to
do
something
like
I.
Don't
know
forgive
development
charges
or
something
like
that
to
afford
this
completion
of
the
hospice
I
think
would
be
money
very
well
spent.
So
thank
you.
G
I
apologize
for
making
the
premature
speech
earlier
in
the
evening,
but
I
was
following
a
page
right
out
of
councillor
needles,
playbook,
so
I
do
want
to
encourage
council
to
support
this
as
well.
This
is
a
key
missing
element
of
our
Hospital,
Network
and
I
know
that
historically
had
over
the
over
the
years.
G
The
council
has
made
a
substantial
contribution
to
the
health
care
network
in
this
in
this
community,
and
this
is
just
one
sort
of
more
opportunity,
I
think
for
us
to
to
serve
the
most
vulnerable
people
in
our
community,
which
is
I,
think
what
we
all
feel
very
called
to
do
so.
I
support
this
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
hospice
Kingston
to
find
ways
to
a
system
and
raising,
as
the
presenter
said
tonight,
get
even
more
money.
So
thank
you.
R
I've
worked
in
intensive
care
and
I've
also
worked
in
palliative
care
in
the
hospital
setting.
Two
different
hospitals
here
in
Kingston
and
I
couldn't
agree
more
this.
This
is
a
huge
gap
that
and
home
care,
probably
the
two
biggest
gaps
in
Medicare
and
then,
and
so
at
first
I
was
thinking.
Well,
aren't
we
just
like
taking
a
pressure
off
the
provincial
government
by
providing
the
service
and/or
enabling
a
partner
to
provide
this
service
with
our
help?
Are
we
tacitly
saying
it's?
Okay
for
them
to
exclude
it
from
from
Medicare,
but
actually
thought
about
that?
R
Unlike
the
previous
motion,
which
made
me
go
in
that
direction,
in
this
case,
I'm
reminded
of
the
beginning
of
the
hospital
that
I
work
at
so
Kingston
General
Hospital
actually
started
out
as
a
charity
and
became
the
hospital
it
is
today
over
time.
So
it
started
out
in
something
a
lot
more
like
what
Hospice
is
today
addressing
a
social
need,
and
then
it
became
enshrined
into
the
into
the
hospital
system
and
they
and
the
universal
health
care
that
we
have
in
this
country
today.
R
So,
in
that
sense,
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
support
this,
but
I
agree
that
it
may
be
a
staff.
It
needs
to
think
about
it
very
carefully,
because
I
don't
think
it's
fair
to
ask
taxpayers
to
to
pay
a
substantial
sum
in
the
millions
for,
even
though
it's
an
important
service
for
something
that
we
don't
really
have
the
mandate
for,
but
as
wasn't
part
of
any
of
our
election
campaigns.
R
That's
the
problem,
I
see
with
it
being
sort
of
out
of
the
taxpayers
pocket,
but
I'm
sure
that
staff
can
look
at
this
and
see
if
there's
ways
we
can
help
them
reach
their
goal
of
not
of
their
fundraising
goal,
because
that's
actually
irrelevant
to
what
we're
doing
here,
it's
more.
How
can
they
reach
the
goal
of
building
the
hospice
and
how
could
we
help
them
with
that
it
doesn't
I'm
hoping
it
doesn't,
involve
taxpayer
money.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
deputy
mayor,
I,
think
I
would
just
comment
on
on
what
councilor
Strad
has
said
that
the
current
funding
environment
for
hospice
the
communities
themselves
have
to
do
most
of
the
heavy
lifting
the
province
does
provide
a
contribution
and
a
commitment
to
helping
to
operate
the
facility
once
it's
up
and
running,
but
quite
frankly,
it's
up
to
the
community
to
do
a
lot
of
that
work
and
clearly
I've,
been
inspired
by
what
I
have
seen
from
our
community
too.
To
raise
the
vast
majority
of
that
money
from
private
donors.
A
I
think
is
tremendous,
so
most
hospice
field
facilities
do
at
some
point
ask
for
a
contribution
from
the
municipality.
In
my
view,
we
are
looking
at
what
would
be
a
relatively
small
contribution,
perhaps
raised
relative
to
the
whole
cost
and
again
this
is
an
example
of
where
you
take
those
public
dollars
and
you
look
to
leverage
them,
and
this
is
exactly
what
we
have
in
front
of
us.
A
A
A
And
that
carries
by
a
vote
of
11
to
2.
Okay,
new
motion
number
three
moved
by
councillor
of
sanik
seconded
by
Councillor
Hutchison
where's,
the
public
meeting
for
application
d,
35
0
0,
9,
2,
0,
1,
7,
River,
Street
and
50
Orchard
Street
was
held
at
planning
committee
on
March
8
2018,
whereas
many
members
of
the
public
and
planning
authorities,
namely
the
kehti
rehti
region,
Conservation
Authority,
raised
concerns
about
the
documentation
related
to
natural
hazards
and
natural
heritage
submitted
by
the
applicant,
as
well
as
environmental
concerns
cited
by
Parks.
Canada.
P
You,
your
worship,
we're
talking
about
this
26th
page
report
and
it
was
presented
at
the
public
meeting
on
March
8th
of
last
year.
We
heard
tonight
that
there's
being
updates
being
made
to
it,
but
we
haven't
seen
it
yet.
What
we
have
is
this
report,
so
in
an
e
I,
a
hum
is
supposed
to
recommend
setbacks
from
the
wetland
in
the
shorelines
and
also
give
details
of
the
compensation
and
mitigation
strategy.
P
Among
other
points,
you
know
like
the
EIA,
it's
written
by
ecologists,
they're,
the
experts
they're,
the
ones
that
have
to
provide
the
details
and
I
found
that
this
e
IA
was
really
light.
On
the
details,
page
4
of
the
report,
it
says
that
potential
impacts
can
be
addressed
by
the
use
of
compensation
and
mitigation
strategies,
but
if
they
don't
really
specify
where
it
is,
there's
this
other
report,
you
know
you've
been
around
for
12
years.
You
kind
of
accumulate
reports
on
the
shelf,
and
so
this
one
was
just
on
my
bookcase.
P
It's
not
is
from
a
different
company,
but
right
in
the
table
of
contents.
It
gives
two
pages
of
what
the
potential
impacts
and
mitigation
methods
were
for
this
e
is
that
was
done
several
years
ago,
and
this
one
just
has
a
few
mitigation
measures
spread
throughout,
and
the
mitigation
measures
they're
not
even
part
of
the
property,
that's
owned
by
the
proponent,
it's
north
of
this
block
3
they
talked
about
and
in
like
this
SAS
SAS
one
area,
that's
not
owned
by
the
proponent
that
we
kind
of
touched
on
for
the
delegation.
P
So
that's
definitely
my
one
concerns.
Where
is
the
mitigation
strategy?
It
also
says
in
the
report.
We
recommend
that
the
developers
take
a
proactive
approach
and
undertake
a
turtle
nesting
conservation
program
that
focuses
on
the
berm,
such
as
being
undertaken
by
the
Friends
of
the
Inner
Harbor,
and
these
AIS
is
there
supposed
to
be
standalone
documents.
It's
supposed
to
be
like
we
can
refer
to
this
years
down
the
road
or
another
municipality
could
like
look
at
this
document
to
help
them
with
their
own
developments
going
on
in
their
own
communities.
P
P
It's
a
matter
of
what
exactly
they
did,
what
time
a
year
to
do
it
where
to
do
it
and
it
just
doesn't
go
what
we
have
in
front
of
us
in
those
details
and
then
the
last
point
is
just
e
is:
is
the
best
CIS
SR
done
over
three
seasons
or
two
seasons
at
most?
For
here
we
have
a
trade
on
page
nine.
It
was
a
one
season
report.
It
was
April,
May
and
June.
That
was
it
from
as
far
as
the
studies
like
that
would
have
been
looking
at
the
shoreline.
P
There's
the
wetland,
boundary
survey
and
then
phibian
survey,
it
doesn't
even
say
specifically
turtles,
but
they
were
done
during
the
month
of
April
and,
as
you
know,
tonight
is
zero
degrees.
It's
still
pretty
cold
outside
the
turtle.
Egg-Laying
season
is
made
to
July,
so
I'm,
not
surprised,
then
when
they
say
in
their
report
that
map
turtles
were
observed,
offshore
of
the
tannery
site,
but
none
were
observed,
nesting
on
the
property.
That
doesn't
surprise
me
since
it
looks
like
they
didn't,
do
any
shoreline
surveys
during
the
month
of
June.
P
So
those
were
my
concerns
with
the
report
I'm
requesting
this
peer
review
at
some
ayats
under
our
control.
You
know:
I
came
home,
it's
an
available
option
for
council
we're
asking
for
a
second
opinion:
that's
how
I
see
of
it
and
in
the
last
twelve
years
being
on
council
council
has
never
asked
for
a
motion
to
have
an
EIS
peer
review.
This
shoreline
is
going
to
be
changed
forever
with
the
development
and
the
recommendations
for
this
shoreline.
In
my
opinion,
it
deserves
a
second
opinion.
Thank
you.
Thank.
F
F
F
We
heard
all
kinds
of
promises
about
respecting
the
ribbon
of
life
having
a
naturalized
shoreline,
but
the
picture
that
was
shown
to
us
was
an
unnatural
shoreline
and
and
I'm
a
little
concerned.
Has
there
been
a
substantial
alteration
brought
to
our
planning
staffs
attention
that
shows
in
what
was
promised
tonight,
which
is
a
naturalized
shoreline
and
respect
for
a
ribbon
of
life?
Has
any
of
that
come
to
planning
from
the
from
the
proponent?
Exactly
thank.
AD
We've
been
looking
at
it,
mostly
with
respect
to
the
nature
of
the
development,
the
staging
of
the
development
relative
to
some
of
the
considerations
for
the
wetland
that
the
applicant
is
looking
for,
how
that
factors
in
with
brownfields
how
it
factors
in
with
tree
removal.
So
some
of
those
pieces
we've
been
talking
about.
Certainly
the
staff
has
been
providing
technical
feedback
from
a
planning
perspective
relative
to
the
concept
and
the
concept
that
was
presented
this
evening
on
one
of
the
slides
I
believe
by
Miss
Ferrara
was
was
really
what
was
presented
at
that
public
meeting.
AD
But
that
is
something
that
is
being
discussed
between
the
applicant
and
staff
and
we
are
looking
for
changes
and
there's
comments
related
to
the
shoreline.
Naturalization
things
from
Parks,
Canada,
so
I
think
it's
very
it's
very
much
in
flux
and
and
we're
still
in
that
process
of
review,
but
we
don't
have
something
settled
as
a
and
a
revision
to
the
development.
That's
formalized
from
the
standpoint
of
what
you
saw
tonight.
It's
still
very
conceptual
and
we're
working
through
those
details.
Thank.
F
AD
You
three
we've
had
a
number
of
meetings
with
the
applicant,
and
certainly
there
have
been
questions
about
process
that
staff
had
been
trying
to
work
through
with
the
applicant,
like
I,
said
relative
to
detailed
discussions
about
brownfields
about
wetland
boundaries,
specifically
how
those
could
potentially
be
reassessed
based
on
work
with
other
provincial
ministries.
So
there's
been
questions
that
staff
have
been
investigating
with
the
other
ministry
partners
relative
to
those
pieces
in
particular,
so
I'd
say
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion.
AD
There
haven't
been
major
pauses
where
we're
waiting
for
information
and
there's
no
response
back.
It's
it's
been
pretty
iterative
and
we'll
be
meeting
with
the
applicant
again
in
the
very
near
future
to
follow
up
on
the
meeting
that
I
had
last
week
with
my
staff
and
all
of
the
ministries
that
have
jurisdiction
related
to
this
file.
Thank.
F
You
I
totally
support
the
intent
of
this
motion.
I
think
clearly,
this
shouldn't
be
presented
by
the
the
proponent
as
something
that's
time-sensitive,
because
I
mean
clearly
they've
got
miles
to
go
before
they
sleep
on
this
file
and
all
this
is
requesting
is
a
I
think
a
sensible
peer
review
of
a
report
that
was
paid
for
by
the
proponent
that
has
raised
many
questions
within
the
community.
F
G
A
AD
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
so
typically
in
terms
of
the
technical
review
process,
this
type
of
information
it
is
reviewed
by
the
Conservation
Authority.
That's
the
role
that
they
play
as
a
technical
adviser
with
respect
to
planning
applications
and
providing
advice
to
the
municipality
with
respect
to
the
regulations
that
they
oversee
on
behalf
of
the
province.
So
they
will
be
continuing
to
review
any
subsequent
me
I.
A
information
that
comes
in
and
and
have
reviewed
this
one,
so
the
peer
would
be
peer.
L
Thank
you,
worship
and
through
you,
I,
get
to
support
this,
and
the
reason
is
is
because
so
many
things
have
kind
of
come
out
at
the
eleventh
hour
tonight
and
it
becomes
very
frustrating
when
you're
sitting
in
this
position
and
everything
literally
is
dealt
with
at
the
final
hour
and
there's
all
these
concerns
in
the
community
and
then
there's
a
proponent
or
numerous
proponents
for
different
developments
and
I
guess
one
of
the
reasons
I'm
going
to
support.
This
is
there's
a
broader
lesson
here.
I
think
that
needs
to
sort
of
be
vocalized.
L
It
seems
like
common
sense,
but
apparently
sometimes
it's
lost
and
that's
better
communication.
This
this
whole
thing
could
have
been
avoided
simply
through
better
communication
from
any
number
of
proponents
to
any
number
of
concerned.
Community
members
there's
there's
real
concerns
out
there.
We
know
we
hear
about
them
all
the
time
and
as
a
proponent,
moving
any
project.
There
are
steps
to
take
to
allay
and
and
deal
with
those
concerns
and
and
if
you've
dealt
with
them
all
and
you
haven't
communicated
it
to
somebody
adequately
or
there's
still
questions.
L
So
my
my
lesson
here,
I
guess,
would
be
that
when
doing
these
consultations,
if
you
hear
concerns-
and
you
have
answers-
don't
let
a
year
go
by
before
you
start
and
don't
come
to
that
council
meeting
and
then
try
to
address
all
those
concerns,
because
this
motion
was
already
put
in
place
to
deal
with
those
concerns.
So
in
my
mind,
it's
frustrating
that
we're
at
this
point,
but
because
of
that
I'm
gonna
support
this.