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From YouTube: Kingston, Ontario - City Council - August 11, 2020
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City Council meeting from August 11, 2020. For full meeting agenda visit https://bit.ly/31Ov0sC
A
So
we
were
just
meeting
in
committee.
The
whole
closed
meeting
we
discussed
several
items.
One
was
respect
to
the
direct
waste
state's
business
park.
Second,
an
update
on
commercial
leasing
and
third,
a
property
at
805
ridley
street.
So
with
that,
I
will
ask
for
a
motion
to
waive
our
procedural
rules
and
have
the
clerk
report.
B
Move
by
councillor
hutchison
seconded
by
councillor,
chappelle
that
the
cio
be
directed
and
authorized
to
execute
an
agreement
of
purchase
and
sale
and
all
other
necessary
agreements
and
documents,
as
may
be
required
for
the
property
municipally
known
as
143
resource
road,
the
terms
of
which
are
to
be
this
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
city
solicitor
and,
as
outlined
in
closed
meeting
report.
Number
20-174.
A
All
those
in
favor
oppose
and
then
secure
it.
Okay,
we'll
move
on
to
the
approval
of
the
addeds.
There
are
actually
three
sets
of
addeds
that
we
will
look
to
approve
all
at
once
on
additives
number
one.
There
is
a
report
from
the
arts,
recreation,
community
policies
committee
and
also
report
from
the
administrative
policies
committee
and
some
communications.
A
The
second
addendum
there
are
several
motions
of
condolence
and
recognition
and
then
also
an
additional
item
for
report
number
59
and
communications,
and
the
third
addendum
is
also
some
additional
communication.
So
can
I
have
someone
to
move
all
three
sets
of
habits?
Please
move
by
counselor
hill,
second,
by
counselor
of
sanic,
all
those
in
favor.
A
C
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Seeing
no
other
disclosures
because
or
interest
we
will
move
on.
We
have
no
presentations
this
evening.
We
do
have
one
delegation,
ken
dancer
manager
at
careco
development
corporation,
will
appear
before
council
to
speak
to
clause.
5
report
number
59
received
from
the
cao
with
respect
to
11
right
crescent
market
housing,
construction
timelines.
F
F
F
Six
months
after
the
approval
of
the
zoning
by-law
amendment,
the
approval
of
the
zoning
zoning
bylaw
established
the
date
of
august
27
2020
for
the
start
of
construction.
Accordingly,
cjm
proceeded
to
apply
for
site
plan
approval,
which
was
followed
by
to
be
followed
by
a
building,
permit
application
and
then
the
start
of
construction.
F
The
timelines
for
the
site
plan
approval
were
in
line
with
the
august
27th
2020
start
of
construction
until
the
province
of
ontario
declared
a
state
of
emergency
due
to
the
covet
19
pandemic
on
march,
the
17th
2020.
This
declaration
certainly
froze
the
established
timelines
for
this
and
many
other
construction
projects
in
april
2020.
F
We
advise
the
city
that
a
start
of
construction
by
august
27
2020,
would
not
be
possible
going
forward
with
respect
to
attempting
to
fix
a
construction
start
date
at
seven
or
at
eleven
right
crescent
cjm
needed
to
address
several
new
variables,
including
one.
The
review
and
response
of
all
technical
site
plan
comments
and
the
completion
of
all
drawings
in
a
timely
fashion.
F
With
the
majority
of
the
consultants
teams,
operations
closed
or
working
remotely,
the
implement
number
two
in
the
implementation
of
rigorous
safety
policies,
which
have
proven
to
give
rise
to
difficulties
in
the
scheduling
of
work
and
the
ongoing
devotion
of
time.
In
order
to
demonstrate
to
ministry
of
labor
health
and
safety
committees,
all
subcontractors
and
on-site
workers
of
compliance
with
those
policies,
three
industry-wide
delays
specific
to
covet
19,
creating
trade
and
labor
shortages.
F
Four,
the
material
supply
chain,
particularly
manufactured
goods,
is
delayed
with
some
manufactured
goods
not
being
available
beside
the
supply
chain
is
volatile,
if
not
fragile,
and
can
be
back
ordered
due
to
production
facilities,
issues,
the
backlog
of
materials
has
increased
shipping
and
production
times.
Apart
from
the
above
and
specific
to
right.
F
Based
on
our
assessment
of
the
aforementioned
requirements,
we
are
confident
that
the
mobilization
of
the
site
excavation
could
be
commenced
by
december
1st,
effectively
december
1st
start
of
construction
as
a
three-month
extension
from
the
current
date
of
august.
27Th
cgm
clearly
has
a
significant
investment
in
this
property
already
and
we
are
in
agreement
with
the
staff
recommendation
and
the
report
to
council.
We
are
eager
to
advance
this
project
as
quickly
as
possible
in
order
to
provide
much
needed
housing
to
the
community.
Under
the
current
circumstances.
F
G
Neal,
thank
you
very
much
and
I
appreciate
your
communication
with
members
of
council
before
this
meeting.
I
I
guess
I
just
have
one
question.
I
know
that
kingston
frontenac
housing
corporation
has
indeed
begun
their
their
development
process
and
are
looking
forward
according
to
director
nortograph
to
a
september
2021
occupancy.
F
The
construction
project
would
be
a
three-year
chair.
The
construction
project
would
be
more
than
a
year
less
than
two
years.
That's
a
little
bit
of
a
difficult
question
because
of
winter,
so
in
general,
winter
causes
things
to
roll
over
one
season.
So
we
we
usually
refer
to
that
by
quarter
so
about
six
quarters.
G
A
Okay,
none!
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
dancer.
Thank
you
and
with
that
we
will
move
on.
So
we
have
no
briefings
this
evening.
Petitions
we
have
one
petition
noted
in
the
agenda.
A
petition
bearing
approximately
1793
signatures
in
support
of
the
unity
farm
in
spa
was
submitted
to
the
office
of
the
city
clerk
on
august.
The
4th
2020.,
so
that's
noted,
are
there
any
other
petitions
to
present
also
chapelle
point
of
order.
H
Yes,
thank
you
through
your
worship,
I'd
like
to
point
out
that
the
petition
that
has
been
submitted
is
by
way
of
of
emails.
That
does
not
consist
of
a
person's
actual
signature,
postal
code
or
identifying
address,
and
many
of
those
those
proponents
are
not
residents
of
the
city
of
kingston
and
thereby
I
don't
know
why
we
would
accept
such
a
petition
like
clarification
from
the
clerk
that'd,
be.
I
I
I
A
So
first
moved
by
mayor
patterson
seconded
by
castro
hill,
that
the
sincere
appreciation
of
kingston
city
council
be
extended
to
doug
ritchie,
who
is
stepping
down
after
leading
the
downtown
kingston
business
improvement
area
for
the
past
38
years,
doug
has
been
instrumental
in
the
revitalization
and
growth
of
kingston's
downtown.
His
vision
and
leadership
saw
the
downtown
through
many
significant
and
long-lasting
changes
and
during
his
tenure
the
bia
established
many
signature,
events
that
kingstonians
know
and
love.
A
It
had
an
enormous
impact
on
education
in
the
kingston
area,
in
both
the
public
and
catholic
boards.
This
example
of
generosity,
kindness
and
support
will
stand
as
an
example
to
all
who
came
into
contact
with
him,
and
his
positive
influence
on
the
youth
of
kingston
will
most
certainly
be
his
legacy.
Our
thoughts
are
with
mr
daniel's,
family
and
friends
during
this
difficult
time,
moved
by
mayor
patterson
seconded
by
councillor,
doherty,
that
the
sincere
condolences
of
kingston
city
council
will
be
extended
to
the
family
and
friends
of
tim
erwin
who
passed
away
friday
august
7th
2020..
A
Mr
irwin
was
a
loving
father,
caring
grandfather
vice
president
portsmouth
district
community
association
and
a
passionate
sailor
representing
canada
in
the
1968
mexico
olympics
in
the
dragon
class.
His
leadership
helped
build
court,
canadian,
olympic
training,
regatta
kingston,
bringing
largest
youth
sailing
competition
to
our
city
with
53
countries
participating.
A
Mr
irwin
was
awarded
cork's
douglas
health
award,
ontario's
sailing's
president's
award
sale
canada's
president's
award
and
is
a
member
in
the
kingston
district
sports
hall
of
fame.
He
will
be
missed
greatly
by
many.
Our
thoughts
are
with
mr
irwin's,
family
and
friends.
During
this
difficult
time,
people
call
the
vote
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
then
okay,
we
have
no
deferred
motions.
So
we
will
move
on
to
reports.
First
up
is
report
number
58
from
the
cao.
A
A
Okay,
so
seeing
no
other
separations,
we
will
first
deal
with
the
balance
of
the
clauses,
so
clause
number
one.
It's
a
word
of
contract
supply
of
winter
sand
and
screening
of
street
sweepings,
plus
four
portsmouth
olympic
harbor
lease
with
the
department
of
fisheries
and
oceans.
Canada
cause
five
lease
visitor
information
center
tours
in
kingston,
all
of
us
in
favor
opposed
and
that
carries
on
to
clause
2
a
word
of
contract
for
the
development
of
traffic,
calming
guidelines
and
update
of
pedestrian
crossing
guidelines.
J
Thank
you,
mayor,
patterson
and
through
you,
and
my
staff
could
comment
on
the
relationship
between
the
potential
new
guidelines.
Should
we
award
this
contract
in
the
active
transportation
master
plan?
It
was
alluded
to
in
the
report
and
I
I
can't
anticipate
some
of
the
response.
But
the
reason
I
ask
is
because
I've
had
a
number-
probably
if
you
put
them
all.
J
The
most
number
of
any
email
communications
with
my
constituents
around
traffic
calming
so
when
I
first
saw
the
title
of
the
report.
I
was
extremely
excited
thinking
that
maybe
this
would
be
the
streets
that
would
be
calmed
or
recommendations
for
further
measures,
but
it
seems
to
be
additional
study
after
we've
just
passed
a
fairly
massive
implementation
plan.
So
I'm
wondering
why
that
money
isn't
going
to
implement
the
implementation
plan
as
opposed
to
study.
So
maybe
staff
could
just
help
me
understand
the
relationship
between
potential
new
guidelines
and
the
active
transportation
plan.
M
So
these
two
policies
are
sort
of,
I
think,
recognize
how
these
were
recognized
as
being
the
first
policies
that
that
should
be
looked
at
as
part
of
that,
and
this
work
is
lets
us
put
the
technical
consultants
in
place
to
begin
that
broader
work
of
revisiting
traffic
calming
and
pedestrian
crossing
guidelines.
That
would
be
be
part
of
a
a
pro,
not.
J
M
J
Okay,
thank
you,
yeah.
That
does
help
me
understand
a
bit
more.
I
guess
what
I'm
wondering
is
how
much
of
the
at
plan
needs
these
additional
studies
only
because
I'm
noting
mounting
costs-
and
I
thought
that
we
had
given
a
lot
of
money,
which
I
was
very
glad
that
we
all
supported
to
do,
but
it
seems
like
oh
now.
This
is
an
additional
step
and
I'm
wondering
if
there
will
be
additional
steps
to
see
that
that
plan
move
forward.
M
Yes,
through
your
worship,
so
these
funds,
these
funds,
were
part
of
the
the
capital
plan
and
ap
implementation
plan
that
were
that
was
approved.
The
the
intent
of
this
work
is
to
actually
look
at
ways
that
we
can
implement
traffic
calming
and
pedestrian
crossings
in
a
more
expeditious
way.
So
you
may
recall,
as
some
of
our
conversation,
in
particular,
around
pedestrian
crossings
centered
around
new
guidelines
that
existed
in
the
province
and
how
could
we
move
forward
to
implement
those
types
of
pedestrian
crossings?
J
G
Thank
you
very
much,
just
a
quick
question.
I
appreciate
that
that
some
further
study
would
be
advantageous
within
the
context
of
of
what
you've
spoken
about.
I
just
want
to
know.
I
guess
my
concern
is,
I
know
in
previous
councils,
counselors
were
given
an
opportunity,
invited
to
name
three
streets
that
they
felt
strongly
should
be
considered
for
traffic
calming,
and
there
there
was
traffic
engineers
would
look
at
those
streets
and
come
back
with
a
recommendation.
G
We
don't
lose
those
identified
streets
or
the
that
opportunity
to
identify
a
street
that
requires
traffic
calming
consideration
while
we're
doing
another
study
like
counselor
kylie,
I'm
concerned
that
we
can
study
things
and
not
fulfill
necessary
traffic
calming
under
existing
policies.
Perhaps
mr
simple
could
speak
to
that.
G
M
Yes,
through
your
worship,
so
this
work
that
that
would
be
undertaken
as
part
of
with
with
the
consultant
does
not
suspend
or
change
any
of
the
existing
programs
that
are
in
place.
So
there
is
an
existing
traffic
calming
program.
Staff
are
slated
to
bring
a
bring
a
report
in
q4
to
eitp
to
discuss
the
traffic
calming
program.
G
N
Thank
you.
Your
worship
through
you
just
some
more
specific
questions,
so
for
mr
simple
then
so
for
councillor
neo.
We
know
that
now
the
two
streets
we
all
submitted
in
april
for
analysis
in
2020,
mr
sempo.
Those
streets
are
still
going
to
be
evaluated
all
24
streets
and
is
it
being
evaluated
by
different
traffic
consultants
in
this
company?
Or
is
this
company
also
going
to
be
doing
the
analysis
on
those
streets.
M
Not
through
through
your
worship,
so
I
think
it's
important
to
differentiate
the
existing
traffic
calming
process
with
what
the
with
what
this
work
is
intended
to
do.
So
we
are
review
the
the
consultant
that's
being
put
in
place
for
this,
as
part
of
this
contract
is
not
looking
at
the
individual
traffic
calming
requests
that
are
that
are
being
brought
in
as
part
of
the
existing
policy.
M
This
is
about
reviewing
the
ways
that
we
actually
approach
traffic
calming
to
develop.
You
know
to
review
that
process
and
potentially
develop
new
ways
that
we
would
do
that
and
just
to
clarify
the
the
traffic
calming
program
for
2020
was
one
of
the
programs
that
was
delayed
as
part
of
the
covet
19
response.
So
you
may
recall
that
information
was
shared
with
council,
that
the
assessments
and
work
that
was
underway
for
in
for
streets
in
in
2020
was
paused
and
that
work
would
continue
in
2021.
N
Thank
you,
and
through
your
worship,
I'm
I'm
happy
to
like
I
support
hiring
this
company.
I
see
that
they've
done
traffic
calming
guidelines
in
other
cities
like
ottawa,
hamilton,
ajax
and
oakville.
So
that's
definitely
reassuring.
So,
since
now
the
traffic
calming
analysis
in
2020
won't,
it
will
be
delayed
until
2021.
N
M
M
The
the
overall
review
of
the
traffic
calming
guidelines
and
of
the
pedestrians
is
being
led
by
city
staff.
It's
part
of
a
a
broad
program
that
would
include
outrage,
outreach
and
discussion
with
with
with
council
at
committee
and
and
through
other
stakeholders
as
well.
So
I
think
there
is
that
the
scope
that
the
consultants
are
providing
as
part
of
this
approach
is
meant
to
be
technical
in
nature,
to
allow
to
allow
those
approaches
and
concepts
to
be
vetted.
For
recommendation
back
to
canadian
council.
N
Okay
and
through
your
worship,
my
last
question
specifically
about
pedestrian
crossovers,
so
we
know
that
councillor
hill
just
had
a
new
pedestrian
crossover
on
front
road.
The
this
company
is
going
to
be
looking
at
pedestrian
crossovers
and
we
know
with
coved
three
other
pedestrian
crossovers
were
delayed
until
the
year.
2021
is
what
this
company
does
regarding
pedestrian
crossovers.
M
Through
your
worship,
no,
it
does
not
impact
the
the
pedestrian
crossings
that
were
outlined
at
those
four
locations.
Those
are
a
type
of
location
crossing
called
an
ips,
an
inter
intersection,
pedestrian
signal.
This
work
is
designed
to
look
at
the
other
types
of
pedestrian
crossings
or
predicting
crossovers.
O
You
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
say.
I
really
welcome
this
study.
This
effort,
I
mean
I've,
I've
been
pushing,
and
I
I
echo
exactly
what
counselor
kylie
said
in
his
district
and
I'm
sure
that
we
hear
it
a
lot
in
the
suburban
districts.
I'm
sure
you
hit
it
here
in
the
in
the
central
core
districts
as
well.
As
I
mean
I
get
more
emails,
facebook
questions
and
calls
about
traffic
calming
than
any
other
topic.
O
So
you
know
that
as
much
as
I
appreciated
the
ability
of
counselors
to
kind
of
recommend
three
streets,
that's
not
a
coordinated,
integrated
effort,
and
I
think
that
this
hopefully
is
going
to
result
in
something
that
really
allows
us
to
to
address
the
most
critical
issues
around
around
traffic
calming
in
the
in
the
city
and
and
really
address
our
pedestrian
cyclists
safety,
as
well
as
our
motor
safety.
So
I
I
really
welcome
this
and
congratulate
staff
for
pursuing
this.
H
A
J
L
Through
you,
your
worship,
I'm
not
sure.
If
I
can
answer
that
question
as
as
clearly
as
it's
been
asked,
I
mean
many
things
are
still
in
in
process.
What
this
report
is
recommending
is
is
basically,
instead
of
funds
flowing
through
stewardship
ontario.
They
will
now,
at
least
for
the
upcoming
year
flow
through
the
company
that
we're
recommending
the
producer
that
we're
recommending,
which
is
called
to
recycle.
J
That's
totally
fair,
I
guess
what
I'm
actually
getting
at
in
your
response
anticipated.
My
second
question,
which
is
what
is
the
difference
between
call
to
recycle
and
stewardship
ontario?
Is
it
the
fact
that
the
companies
who
are
now
responsible
for
paying
for
these
recycling
services
recommended?
I
guess
that's
what
you're
saying
or
is
it
that
they
are
a
different
type
of
entity
in
some
way,
because
in
reading
the
report
and
thinking
about
what
was
before
it
almost
seemed
like
the
same
thing,
with
a
different
name.
L
Through
your
worship,
I
think
it's
essentially
the
same
thing.
Instead
of
funds
flowing
through
this
central
group,
which
is
the
the
stewardship
ontario
program,
a
number
of
municipalities
over
the
last
few
years
have
have
broken
away
from
that.
So
this
is.
This
is
through
a
different
group,
but
it's
not
so
much
a
centralized
group.
L
This
one
is
specific
to
reusable
batteries
and
and
the
small
batteries
it
really
doesn't
have
any
impact
on
the
fact
that
we
still
recycle
and
and
collect
those
household
hazardous
waste
depot,
and
that
we
do.
We
do
get
some
funds
in
return
for
those
programs,
it's
just.
The
funds
are
flowing
from
a
different
place
at
this
time.
J
J
L
L
J
L
L
A
N
Thank
you.
I
just
had
one
question
your
worship,
and
that
is,
I
understand
why
we're
doing
this.
I
support
it.
I
just
wondered:
are
all
the
other
universities
or
colleges
doing
the
same
thing
that
have
offered
that
free
transit
pass
like
well
through
the
student?
You
know
through
the
student
fees
the
same
that
we
have
done
in
the
past.
P
Good
evening
and
through
you,
your
worship,
I
would
say
in
response
to
that
counselor
sanik,
there's
a
variety
of
approaches
that
different
transits
are
taking
across
the
province
with
their
educational
institutions
and
that's
very
much
grounded
in
the
agreements
they
had
in
place
before
covet
19..
So
there's
a
spectrum
of
what's
happening.
There
are
some
institutions
and
transit
agencies
that
have
either
terminated
or
suspended
their
agreements,
and
the
students
are
going
to
be
required
to
pay
the
regular
fare.
P
There
are
others
who
have
gone
the
other
end
of
the
spectrum
and
have
continued
their
universal
pass,
but
again
that's
specific
to
their
circumstance
and
then
there's
a
bit
of
a
middle
ground
which
is
what's
recommended
here
this
evening,
which
is
finding
a
new
price
point.
Given
the
current
circumstances
that
will
allow
students
to
opt
in
if
they
choose.
N
H
Yes,
thank
you
for
your
worship
with
respect
to
the
transit
fees.
What
is
the
financial
impact
on
our
budget
comparative
to
what
all
the
money
that
we've
lost
with
transit
and
since
this
is
already
a
sunk
cost
for
those
previous
students?
Why
would
we
reduce
the
cost?
Why
wouldn't
we
just
stick
with
the
contract?
H
P
Through
your
worship,
thank
you,
so
the
contract
values
when
we
had
the
mandatory
fee
pass
program
in
place
based
upon
last
year.
The
revenue
was
anticipated
to
be
just
over
two
million
dollars
from
the
student
association
at
queen's
and
close
to
a
million
dollars
from
the
student
association
student
association
at
st
lawrence
college.
P
One
of
the
reasons-
or
I
guess
the
reason
that
we
aren't
proceeding
with
the
same
agreement
we
had
previous
is
that
the
universal
agreement
had
a
termination
clause
that
either
the
city
or
the
student
associations
could
exercise,
and
that
is
what
happened,
which
is
why
we
were
here
as
it
relates
to
the
student
associations.
Their
interest
in
terminating
the
agreement
was
that
the
previous
agreement
was
predicated
on
all
students
paying
a
mandatory
fee
and
you
could
not
opt
out
of
it.
P
With
respect
to
what
the
difference
will
be
between
the
revenue,
we
would
have
normally
collected
close
to
three
million
dollars,
and
this
year
it
is
really
difficult
to
project
what
that's
going
to
be
councillor
chappelle,
because
we
are
uncertain
at
the
end
of
the
day,
how
many
students
are
going
to
come
and
live
in
kingston
and
what
their
needs
for
transit
will
be.
We
do
anticipate
that
there
will
be
a
number
of
students
who
will
often
purchase
this
pass,
based
upon
how
much
they're
going
to
utilize
it.
P
But
of
course
there
will
be
many
students
as
well,
who
just
purchase
other
types
of
fare
media
for
based
upon
the
utilization
that
they
they
intend
to
have.
What
I
will
say
is
based
upon
a
very
conservative
projection
of
revenue
relative
to
the
number
of
post-secondary
students
that
would
buy
the
pass
and
all
of
the
other
things
that
have
happened
with
reduction
in
transit
service
over
the
last
few
months.
We
do
anticipate
being
at
or
below
our
budget
this
year.
P
H
G
G
As
in
a
similar
way,
I
mean
we,
we
need
to
maintain
our
road
system,
we
need
to
repair
potholes,
we
need
to
support
public
transit
and
it's
important
that
we
continue
to
do
so
and
not
think
of
transit
as
an
exorbitant
expense,
because
in
fact
it's
a
service,
a
necessary
service
for
the
community.
So.
A
Q
Q
Effect
on
ridership
numbers,
I
mean
as
someone
that
rides
the
bus
regularly.
I'm
well
aware,
especially
in
the
district,
that
I
live
of,
of
the
transit
users.
The
majority,
the
vast
majority
in
my
district
are
students,
and
it's
pretty
clear
that
if
that
universal
access,
if
you
know,
if
not
all
students,
have
it
coming
out
of
their
student
fees
automatically
the
way
it
was
before
so
the
many
students
will
not
choose
transit.
Q
P
Thank
you,
your
worship
and
through
you
to
counselor
stroud
in
all
of
the
discussions,
many
of
them
that
I
have
had
with
both
student
associations.
There
absolutely
seems
to
be
a
willingness
to
return
to
the
model
we
previously
had,
where,
as
many
students
as
possible
at
the
most
affordable
rate,
can
access
transit.
So
I
would
say
yes,
there
is
a
desire
to
return
to
that
spot.
P
P
The
word
that
we've
been
using
with
the
student
associations
is
temporary,
that
this
is
a
temporary
way
forward
until
such
time
that
things
turn
to
return
to
a
sort
of
post-covet,
more
regular
way
of
life,
and
that's
going
to
be
driven,
of
course,
by
the
number
of
students
here
and
the
way
in
which
the
university
and
the
college
operate.
So
I
I
would
say
that
it
is
temporary
and,
as
noted
in
the
in
the
report,
the
intention
is
to
come
back
to
council
and
present
a
a
new
way
forward.
Q
Okay,
well,
that's
very
reassuring,
it's
very
reassuring
that
that
you
and
the
transit
department
are
hoping
for
that
return
and
that,
apparently
the
student
associations
are
expecting
that
return
to
normal.
That's
very
reassuring!
If
that
is
not
the
case,
please,
and
as
much
as
possible
to
us
at
council
would
be,
would
be
very
much
appreciated.
It
would
be
a
real
shame
to
to
lose
that
that
that
ace
in
the
hall
that
we've
always
had
with
transit
here
in
kingston.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
so
with
that,
we
will
call
the
vote
on
clause
1,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried
on
to
clause,
2,
coven,
19
assessment
center
relocation,
all
those
in
favor
proposed
and
that's
kerry,
because
three
and
just
noting
that
counselor
boehm
is
just
stepping
away
for
his
interest.
Drinking
water
quality
management
system
and
operational
plan.
A
Okay
back
to
number
four
transmittal
report
from
the
closed
meeting
investigator
with
respect
to
litigation
or
potential
litigation,
including
matters
before
administrative
tribunals
affecting
municipality
or
local
board
and
advice
that
is
subject
to
solicit
client
privilege,
including
communications,
necessary
for
the
purpose.
Homestead
land
holdings,
limited
51-57,
queen
street
18,
queen
street
and
282
queen
street.
G
S
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
so
commissioner
yoga
boss
may
want
to
add
to
this,
but
we
really
worked
based
on
the
already
approved
council
direction
for
this
particular
project.
So
council
had
obviously
approved
the
proposal
that
went
to
to
council
a
couple
of
years
ago.
They
essentially
laid
out
what
the
carico
project
was
going
to
look
like
and
what
the
kfhc
project
was
going
to
look
like.
So
our
agreement
with
carrico
was
based
on
that.
The
legal
agreement,
obviously
for
the
development
of
the
property,
was
based
on
that.
A
D
Yeah
thank
you
and,
for
you,
miss
mermaid
to
just
pick
up
for
ca
over
to
left
off
that.
No
at
this
time
we
were
not
suggesting
to
entertain
that
sort
of
negotiation.
On
the
extension.
We
feel
that
it
is
reasonable
with
with
the
timelines
and
the
complexity
of
the
project,
but
do
note
in
the
staff
recommendation
that
should
the
december
1st
timeline
not
be
achieved,
that
we
do
come
back
to
council
with
information
on
on
the
details
of
of
options,
including
repurchase
or
or
other
options
that
council
may
want
to
pursue.
G
A
G
Thank
you
very
much
I'll,
be
very
quick
on
this.
This,
I
think,
is
a
very
necessary
interim
control.
By-Law.
We
were
concerned
about
across
a
very
narrow
stretch
of
princess
street,
erecting
10
story
across
the
street
from
one
another,
and
our
existing
previous
previous
bylaw
would
have
allowed
that
to
happen.
This
interim
control
by
law
they're
asking
for
a
very
shortened
extension
due
to
the
covet
reality
of
our
planning
department
being
virtually
online,
but
not
in
office
for
some
time.
So
I
hope
that
this
can
pass
unanimously.
G
J
Thank
you,
mr
patterson.
Three
really
quickly.
I
fully
agree
with
what
counselor
neil
just
said,
but
I
have
a
clarification
question
which
is:
there
is
a
report
before
planning
committee
on
thursday
and
this
extension
is
just
allowing
for
that
to
be
dealt
with
there.
So
counselor
neil
mentioned
some
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
heard
and
that
will
be
dealt
with
in
days.
Is
that
why
we're
doing
this
extension.
U
Thinking
through
you,
mayor
patterson,
so
this
extension
is
for
90
days.
If
we
do
not
do
an
extension,
essentially
the
bylaw
as
it
stands
right
now,
it
expires
at
the
end
of
august.
So
what
we
have
going
forward
to
planning
committee
this
thursday
evening
represents
the
statutory
public
meeting
for
the
set
of
policy
recommendations
that
we're
going
to
be
presenting
to
the
community
and
taking
questions.
U
What
will
follow
beyond
that?
We
have
to
go
back
to
committee
with
a
comprehensive
report
at
a
future
date
which,
within
the
90-day
extension,
should
council
support
it.
We
would
need
to
be
back
before
planning
committee
in
november
so
that
council
could
make
a
vote
on
the
recommendations
before
the
expiry
with
the
90-day
extension,
which
would
be
at
the
end
of
november.
So
it
gives
us
an
additional
three
months
to
incorporate
any
feedback
that
we
receive
on
thursday
night,
while
maintaining
the
interim
control
during
that
period
of
time.
A
Q
R
Sorry
through
you,
mr
mayor,
can
everybody
hear
me
thank
you,
so
I
will
thank
you
for
that
question
I
will.
I
will
start
and-
and
maybe
ceo
hurdle
will
have
have
something
to
add
to
that
as
well.
So
as
you
and
and
we
do
apologize
for
the
fast
turnaround
on
this
report,
but
you
can
appreciate
that
we
also
really
want
to
keep
council
updated
on
the
work
that
we're
doing
on
on
finding
a
permanent
option.
R
So
in
the
report
you've
you've,
you
have
pointed
out
counselors
trout,
that
we
have
a
staff
recommended
to
to
look
at
our
preferred
option
on
patrick
street.
We
are
still
obviously
in
conversation,
so
so
there's
still
a
couple
of
questions
that
we
need
to
work
through,
but
for
the
potential
barriers.
R
Obviously
we
we
are
looking
at
the
integrated
care
components
and
also
the
cts
component,
which
is
the
consumption
treatment
site
which
has
to
go
through
their
own
kind
of
approval
process
with
healthcare,
canada
and
the
ministry
of
health.
So
that's
one
component
that
we
will
need
to
work
closely
on
with
our
partners.
R
Obviously
we
we
also
would
want
to
work
with
our
with
the
community
in
the
area.
I
think
that's
a
really
important
component
to
make
sure
that
there
will
be.
You
know
a
good
understanding
on
on
the
services
and
and
how
to
kind
of
be
involved
in
in
that
and
how
to
connect.
If
there
are
any
issues
and
obviously
we
will
work,
we
have
to
do
our
diligence
with
the
proponents
on
on
some
of
the
details
that
we're
still
literally
working
through
as
we
speak,.
Q
Q
Q
N
I
know,
can
you
hear
me
now?
Okay,
I
didn't
get
the
prompt
that
I
usually
get
so
I
was
on
my
own
unmuting
myself,
which
I
hadn't
had
before
okay.
So
my
question
is
just
this:
your
worship
through
you
is
that
this
recommendation
includes
leasing
out
the
building,
but
also
getting
a
portable
from
from
ottawa.
So
I
just
wondered
what
use
would
be
in
the
building
itself
and
what
use
would
be
in
the
portable.
R
Yeah
and
through
you,
mr
patterson
mayor
patterson,
thanks
for
that
question,
so
we
are
for
those
that
are
familiar
with
the
temporary
setup
at
artillery
park
in
the
building.
We
are
envisioning,
both
a
a
drop-in
kind
of
component
and
arresting
components,
and
then
the
portable
and
again,
that
is
all
all
kind
of,
depending
on
on
approvals
and
kind
of
partnerships.
E
It
would
be
good,
I
think,
if
we
could
hear
from
staff
about
the
difference
between
what
is
a
resting
area
and
a
shelter,
because
while
this
is
meant
to
be
a
permanent
site,
I
know
that
as
a
as
a
city
council,
we
don't
exactly
develop,
you
know
typically,
don't
develop
a
shelter
model.
So
if
you
could
just
speak
to
that
a
little
bit,
that
would
be
helpful.
R
E
R
Correct
through
you,
mayor,
patter,
patterson,
sorry
juggling
a
couple
of
buttons
on
my
laptop
here,
so
so
technically,
it's
definitely
kind
of
the
terminology
is
is
a
tricky
one,
but
as
people
will
eventually
shut
sleep
at
artillery
park,
it's
not
considered
shelter
because
it's,
for
instance,
not
based
on
our
existing
shelter
approach
with
a
certain
intake
and
a
certain
kind
of
approach.
Obviously
our
current
shelter
system
is
based
on
the
housing
first
approach.
E
With
the
change
in
sort
of
the
intake
process,
I
mean
the
like.
I
I'm
mostly
asking
these
questions
first
of
all,
obviously,
because
I
think
there
are
people
who
are
very
interested
in
the
specifics
of
of
this
and
if
we're
calling
it
a
permanent,
integrated
care
hub,
I
think
we
need
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
fact
that
it
would
be
open
to
it
would
be
open
to
the
community,
but
there
wouldn't
necessarily
be
a
guarantee
that
it
would
be
based
more
on
a
first-come,
first-served
model.
E
R
R
So
the
questions
that
that
you're
asking
are
really
important
questions
and
we
really
need
to
as
a
system
work
towards
kind
of
that
kind
of
really
alignment
between
the
different
elements
of
the
homelessness
system.
So,
as
for
the
integrated
care
hub,
I
mean
it
has
been
open
for
about
10
days
now
or
24
7.,
so
we're
definitely
working
through
a
lot
of
those
pieces
and
kind
of
the
the
use
and
and
kind
of
how
we
we
would
approach
that.
R
Ideally,
we
would
be
better
in
identifying
kind
of
for
how
we
refer
people
to
the
right
services
based
on
their
needs
and
again
we
all
know
that
there
are
lots
of
different
needs
and-
and
we
just
want
to
provide
a
safe
and
carrying
space
for
everybody.
Regardless
of
of
you
know,
if
they
have
the
ability
to
exit
shelter
or
not,.
T
R
If
everything
works
out,
we
would
be
able
to
transition
and
have
this
space
open
on
october,
1st
we're
hoping,
obviously
again
lots
of
of
questions
still
and
and
and
we
were
obviously
working
through
them-
that
we
would
have
access
to
to
a
space
in
ideally
early
september,
to
have
that
have
ample
time
for
transition.
Our
preferred
location
also
would
not
require
a
lot
of
work,
so
we
especially
on
the
on
the
obviously
the
integrated
care
hub
sites,
so
we
we
are
quite
confident
that
that
would
be
realistic.
V
Through
you,
mr
mayor,
if
you
can,
I
would
just
like
to
add
to
that
that
it
is
if
we,
if
we
can
get
council
support
tonight,
we
can
work
through
the
process
and
and
work
as
as
quickly
as
possible
to
make
it
available
before
the
end
of
september.
That
is
our
goal.
Obviously
time
is
of
the
essence
and
there's
still
a
lot
of
work
to
do
to
prepare.
That's
why,
unfortunately,
you
did
receive
this
fairly
late
it.
W
W
K
G
G
K
G
A
A
So
there
are
two
clauses
unless
anyone
would
like
them
separated
we
will
vote
on
them
as
a
whole
clause.
1
is
approval
of
an
application
for
zoning
by
law.
Amendment
317-319
montreal
street
and
clause
2
approval
of
an
application
for
zoning
by
law,
amendment
2
cooper
street,
all
those
in
favor
proposed
and
that's
carried
now
on
to
report
number
61
from
heritage
kingston.
A
G
G
So,
though,
those
are
are
my
primary
issues
that
I'd
like
I'd
like
to
comment
on,
and
I
also
want
to
point
out,
as
many
of
us
have
seen,
we've
received
a
lot
of
emails
and
comments
regarding
this
project,
but
they're
split
within
the
community.
We
get
glen
burnie
residents
who
are
emailing
us
to
say
they
support
the
project.
G
N
Thank
your
worship.
This
time
I
got
the
right
prompt
to
unmute
myself
yeah
what
counselor
neil
has
said.
We
definitely
have
had
a
lot
of
feedback
on
this.
We've
all
had
to
learn
about
water
issues.
We've
had
so
many
so
many
emails
from
residents
about
this
for
and
against,
and
I
also
thank
staff
for
the
email
that
they
sent
tonight
at
416.
N
N
I
know
we
only
have
five
minutes,
but
I
have
to
ask
these
questions
for
my
own
file
and
one
person
wrote
in
that
right
now
that
there's
three
wells
that
are
being
monitored
from
nearby
residents
and
they
want
to
know
if,
like
they
say
that
it
should
be
increased
to
10
wells.
So
is
that
something
we
can
do
at
site
plan
control
or
do
we
have
no
control
in
increasing
the
number
of
nearby
residents
wells
that
are
being
monitored.
X
Y
There
were
in
the
monitoring
program,
three
wells
off-site
identified
as
well
as
I
believe
the
monitoring
program
spoke
to
monitoring
the
well
at
the
school,
the
elementary
school
and
at
the
church
in
the
area.
So
I
think
there
is
a
there
is
an
option
there
to
look
at
site
plan,
expanding
what
wells
are
captured
and
ensuring
that
it's
wells
at
our
representative
of
who
is
using
water
in
the
neighborhood.
A
X
Thank
you
in
through
your
worship
just
to
clarify
for
process
purposes.
It
will
come
up
through
cycling
control,
but
the
details
of
wells
monitored
and
how
they
are
monitored
are
going
to
be
captured
through
a
development
agreement
that
will
be
registered
on
the
title
of
the
lands
as
part
of
its
water
monitoring
program.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
the
technical
implementation
of
that
consideration.
N
K
N
A
X
We're
just
talking
about
the
permit
to
take
water
aspect.
Work,
I'm
considering
this
as
the
same
proposal
as
it's
come
forward.
Bearing
in
mind.
If
there
are
any
land
use
changes,
we
would
have
to
assess
it
against
the
compatibility
criteria
and
other
policies
of
the
official
plan.
So
now
I'd
like
to
pass
it
over
to
john
pike
to
talk
about
the
ministry's
permit
to
take
water
review
process.
Y
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
if
the
proposal
included
taking
over
50
000
liters
per
day
of
water,
they
would
be
required
to
apply
to
the
ministry
of
the
environment
for
a
permit
to
take
water.
That
includes,
I
would
say,
a
similar
process
to
what
the
municipalities
gone
through
here,
and
that
the
proponent
would
be
required
to
go
out
and
conduct
sufficient
studies
and
monitoring
to
support
an
application.
Y
That
would
then
be
reviewed
by
technical
experts
at
the
ministry
of
the
environment
for
groundwater.
It
would
be
hydrogeologists
and
they
would
be
assessing
the
impacts
to
groundwater
users
and
groundwater
dependent
ecosystems
and
then
issuing
a
if
they
supported
the
application.
They
would
issue
a
permit
to
take
water,
and
that
would
outline
the
requirements
the
proponent
has
on
them
to
either
monitor
the
groundwater
conditions,
record
water,
taking
volumes,
etc.
N
Thank
you,
my
next
question
not
to
do
with
water
there's
a
horse
farm
right
next
door.
That
currently
has,
I
think,
I
believe,
26
horses,
and
I
just
wondered.
I
just
want
to
hear
it
again
right
now.
If
they
were
to
have
cattle
at
the
farm,
they
would
be
prevented
from
doing
so
with
the
approval
of
this
application.
Is
that
right.
X
X
I
would
say
new
information's,
come
to
light
that
the
owners
of
that
barn
now
wish
to
have
cattle
within
that
facility.
There
are
limitations
proposed
on
that
barn
from
existing
land
uses,
so
adjacent
neighboring
dwellings,
as
well
as
any
future
approval
of
either
a
single
detached
dwelling,
commercial
business
or
another
use
in
the
area,
which
is
why
the
minimum
distance
separation
formula
exists.
X
It's
a
means
to
evaluate
land
use,
changes
in
the
rural
area,
to
minimize
land
use
conflict
and
help
to
control
for
odor
complaints.
So,
even
when
new
developments
are
approved
in
accordance
with
mds
and
it
meets
the
provincial
guidelines
as
it
does
today,
it
may
in
the
future
down
the
line.
Should
there
wants
to
be
room
to
grow
or
a
change
in
livestock,
it
could
eventually
propose
a
limitation.
So
you
have
to
consider
both
existing
and
proposed
land
uses
in
an
area
when
considering
an
evaluation
on
a
barn.
N
N
A
X
A
Fair,
my
interpretation
was
that
there
was
to
an
earlier
question
and
then
there
was
a
statement
by
council
senate
that
they'd
want
to
interrupt.
But
it's
fair
council
rosanna.
You
can
allow
you
to
decide
if
you
would
like
staff
to
respond
to
the
question
comment
or
whether
you
would
just
like
to
leave
it.
As
is.
N
A
X
Thank
you,
and
through
you
again,
your
worship
just
to
clarify
the
barn
that
is
adjacent
to
this
property
currently
holds
14
horses.
I
believe
they
have
additional
livestock
in
the
fields
in
shade
shelters
which
do
not
currently
affect
the
minimum
distance
separation
setbacks.
So
I
did
want
to
provide
that
clarification
to
what's
being
considered
for
mds
and
the
setback
that
is
there
today.
N
For
that,
mr
barr,
that
thanks
for
the
clarification
they
do
have
only
14
horses
now.
So
that
is
why,
in
their
email
they
say
that
would
be
restricted
to
26
horses
and
why
they
say
in
their
email
that
everyone
was
saying
they
can
double
and
that's
great,
but
their
plan,
as
we
see
it
in
that
email,
is
that
they
do
want
to
accommodate
40
horses
plus,
add
cattle,
because
right
now
they
can't
survive.
It's
just
the
amount
of
horses
that
they
have.
N
They
need
to
expand
their
operation,
cattle
will
bring
in
the
more
money
and
they
have
three
children
who
they
want
to
give
the
farm
to,
and
let
them
you
know,
have
the
cattle
and
even
expand
it
to
a
horse
breeding
facility.
So
it
just
proves
like
for
me
my
point
more
that
we're
going
to
be
impeding
on
their
business
plan
for
the
future
when
they
first
purchased
their
property.
Thank
you.
A
Z
And
whereas
this
application
is
a
critical
official
change
in
the
official
plan
and
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
that
has
far
reaching
implications
on
the
rural
community
and
whereas
this
development
may
have
a
considerable
impact
on
the
environment,
using
substantial
amounts
of
groundwater
and
as
this
property
is
located
on
a
highly
vulnerable
aquifer
and
recharge
area.
And
whereas
the
city
of
kingston
has
declared
a
climate
change
emergency.
Z
And
whereas
the
last
fall
council
supported
a
unanimous
decision,
a
motion
to
consult
with
the
craca
to
study
water
security
in
the
rural
kingston
area
and
whereas
the
rural
communities
in
the
countryside
area
are
already
experiencing
a
water
crisis
in
these
areas.
And
whereas
the
provincial
policy
statement
requires
planning
authorities
to
support
energy
conservation
and
efficiency.
A
Okay,
so
I'm
just
gonna,
I'm
just
gonna
stop
your
time
there.
So
so
we
don't
include
whereas
clauses
and
because
it's
the
it's
the
actual
item
before
us
that
is
deferred.
So
what
what
I
require
in
writing
is
is
the
actual
motion
to
defer
itself
time
place
and
purpose.
So
I'm
just
wondering
dude,
the
clerks
have
clicks,
do
not
have
that
okay.
A
So
here's
what
I'm
here's,
what
I'm
going
to
need,
I'm
going
to
take
it,
I'm
going
to
call
a
10-minute
recess
and
in
that
time
I'm
going
to
ask
council
rosterhoff.
If
you
can,
please
give
just
the
motion
to
defer
with
time
place
and
purpose
to
the
clerks
so
that
they
can
prepare
that
and
then
we
will
put
it
up
on
the
screen
and
then
we
can
discuss
from
that.
Okay
call
a
10
minute
minute.
A
V
V
A
A
A
A
J
Thank
you,
mayor,
patterson
and
through
you,
and
thank
you
to
councillor
usterhoff
for
putting
a
focus
on
climate
change.
I
know
that
many
of
my
questions
have
to
do
about
that
with
this
file
and
they're
pertinent
here
on
deferral,
because
I'm
wondering
if
staff
can
answer
whether
issues
on
climate
change
are
best
dealt
with,
that
zoning
or
psych
plan
control,
and
the
reason
why
that's
relevant
is
because,
if
they're
going
to
be
dealt
with
in
this
process
anyway,
deferring
this
decision
is
actually
delaying
us
dealing
with
them.
U
Thank
you
and
through
you,
your
worship
and
thank
you
for
the
question,
counselor
kylie.
It
would
really
depend
when
we
talk
about
having
consultation
with
climate
action
groups
like
the
nature
of
what
you
want
us
to
speak
about.
I
think
the
majority
of
of
items
that
would
be
a
relevant
part
of
that
discussion
are
likely
more
appropriately
handled
at
the
site
plan
period
of
time
or
process
related
to
the
land
use
matter,
as
opposed
to
where
we
are
right
now,
which
is
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
related,
but
again
without
clarification.
U
It's
difficult
for
me
to
to
say
specifically
to
understand
what
the
the
intended
outcome
is
of
hopeful
outcome
of
that,
in
which
specific
matters,
if
it's
related
to
water,
specifically
and
something
that
supports
the
land
use,
but
if
it's
more
related
to
design
passive
infiltration,
eb
charging
stations,
those
types
of
matters
related
to
climate
change.
Those
are
really
more
appropriately
addressed
at
the
site
plan
stage.
J
U
Yes,
thank
you
and
through
you,
so
from
an
emissions
standpoint
again,
you
know
we
have
to.
We
have
to
be
cognizant
of
the
policies
that
we
have,
in
effect,
that
we're
able
to
evaluate
the
proposal
against,
so
we
don't
have
anything
at
present
that
speaks
to
specific
requirements
related
to
emissions
or
limitations
and
those
those
pieces.
Currently,
in
our
official
plan,
there
is
work
going
on
as
part
of
the
broader
climate
action
plan,
that's
being
developed.
U
That
will
be
doing
that
detailed
land
use
policy
review
which
will
likely
result
in
some
policy
changes
down
the
road,
but
we
have
to
use
the
documents
that
are
in
effect
at
the
current
time.
So
while
we
do
have
policies
in
our
official
plan
that
speak
to
climate
change,
looking
at
transportation,
effective,
stormwater
management,
those
pieces,
we've
already
evaluated
those
through
the
work,
that's
been
done
as
part
of
the
technical
studies
and
the
technical
review
that
has
informed
the
recommendation.
U
J
Mayor
patterson,
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
an
order,
but
is
that
something
counselor
easter
hoff,
as
the
mover
can
clarify
just
because
that
will
make
it
or
break
it?
For
me,
if
this
is
more
information,
that's
appropriate
to
zoning
and
obviously
more
information,
I
think,
is
always
better.
If
not,
I
can't
support
it
because
it
will
just
push
this
decision
down
the
road
when
the
site
plan
will
actually
allow
us
to
deal
with
the
very
things
this
deferral
is
trying
to
ask
for.
Z
I
mean
if
the
the
issues
that
the
proposed
development
directly
are
indirectly
contravened
several
sections
of
the
provincial
policy
statement,
and
if
we
can,
if
we
can
show
that
and
how
that
affects
climate
change
in
all
the
all
the
points-
and
they
are
listed
very
clearly
in
our
letter,
then
that
would
affect
official
plan
and
zoning
amendments.
So
it's
too
late,
in
my
opinion,
it's
too
late.
J
O
So
I
mean
I'm
interpreting
like
intent
is,
is
out
of
direction,
so
yes,
okay,
so
I
mean
if
the
intent
of
this
deferral
is
to
gather
more
substantive
information.
You
know
I
can
understand
that,
but
we
have
received
so
much
information
on
this
file.
I
mean
I
sit
on
planning
committee.
We
have
received,
we've
been
inundated
with
information
and
we
received
the
information
from
climate
hub
today.
All
the
counselors
received
that
email
so
in
my
mind,
to
defer
something
is
just
punting
it
down
the
road.
O
C
C
That's
currently
kind
of
going
right
now
should
sort
of
stop
and
go
into
this
outside
review
like
are
we
are
we
not
sort
of
setting
a
dangerous
precedent
here
with
this
type
of
referral
to
do
with
other
projects,
because
if
you
do
it
with
one
project,
you
should
realistically
do
it
with
all.
So
I'm
just
curious
as
to
the
like,
with
how
would
that
play
out
as
far
as
other
projects.
A
U
U
My
my
response
on
that
would
be
that
you
know
as
part
of
our
due
diligence
at
the
staff
level.
We've
had
to
review
these
applications
against
the
2020
provincial
policy
statement,
and
we
did
that
technical
review
and
that
has
fed
into
the
recommendation
that's
before
you
tonight.
So
while
there
may
be
difference
of
opinion
about
whether
this
application
complies
with
the
provincial
policy
statement
or
not
in
staff's
opinion,
it
does
and
that's
why
you
see
the
recommendation
before
you,
but
there
may
be
others
that
feel
that
it
doesn't.
U
T
So
so
we
have
expert
advice,
signed
stamped
and
we
still
have
site
plan
control
in
front
of
ahead
of
us
where
groups
like
action
climate
have
can
can
certainly
influence,
or
certainly
have
their
say
in
which
direction
they
might
want
to
go
so
so
the
concern
here
is:
are
we
moving
away
from
the
experts
to
towards
advocacy
work,
which
is
that's
not
proper
guidance
for
us,
but
we
can't
go
by
that
as
a
council.
So
that's
that
would
be
a
concern
for
me.
Q
Cents,
I
think
council
kindly
had
nailed
it
when
he
said
I
can
never
have
too
much
information.
I
think
it's
irrelevant
that
we've
received
a
lot
of
information
already,
as
councilor
hill
said.
I
think
that
time
hub
did
in
its
communications
on
this
project.
They,
their
thinking,
did
evolve
over
time.
From
the
beginning,
this
this
letter
that
we
received
recently
wasn't
the
first
letter
we
received
from
planet
hub,
and
I
think
that
it
will
evolve
further
with
consultation
from
staff,
something
that
has
not
happened
yet.
Q
K
Q
Q
From
are
paid
to
give
with
the
opinion,
and
they
they
you
know
you
you
can
get
just
like
with
lawyers.
You
get
an
opinion
that
you
that
you
want
an
opinion.
You
can
find
someone
to
provide
that
opinion
they're
all
members
of
the
bar
right,
but
you
can
always
find
a
lawyer
to
give
the
opinion
that
you
want.
So
I
think
what
council
restaurants,
referral
does
is
get
some
balance
into
this
before
we
vote
on
it.
A
A
I
was
clear
that
our
current
procedural
byline
does
it
used
to
be
that
deferral
was
just
time
and
place,
but
our
procedure
bylaw,
does
say
time
place
and
direction.
I
agree
that
there
could
be
some
interpretation
about
exactly
how
broad
directions
should
be.
I
have
chosen
to
make
it
broad,
but
I'm
trying
to
be
consistent
with
that.
So
I'm
just
going
to
offer
that
comment
and
that's
why
I've
allowed
all
the
discussion
to
this
point,
because
I
think
it
has
a
spoken
correction.
W
W
Presumably
you
vote
on
the
15th,
so
it
matters
directly
direction
affects
time
and
place.
So
I
think
your
interpretation
is
good.
I
just
like
to
point
out
to
people
that
you
know.
Sometimes
the
experts
are
wrong
and
we've
had
situations
where
the
city
has
gone
to
the
outback
and
and
the
staff
has
supported
it
and
they're
experts
and
we've
the
city
is
lost.
W
Okay.
That
just
happens
because
these
problems,
these
issues-
and
I
don't
blame
slav-
I
mean
it's
found
to
happen.
It's
you
know
it's
that
you
know
it's
not
just
a
matter
of
experts.
It's
you
know,
sometimes
who's
experts.
Speaking
about
what
I
think
was
bertrand
russell
said
that
he
was
never
so
at
ease
with
what
he
was
doing
than
that
when
he
opposed
the
experts
and
most
often
they
have
been
right.
W
So
that's
something
to
keep
in
mind.
The
thing
I
want
to
be
about
more
specifically,
is:
if
you
look
at
the
provincial
policy
statement,
which
has
been
referenced,
the
it
is
quite
clear
about
how
development
should
take
place
and
what
should
not
be
happening
in
terms
of
energy
conservation,
reduced
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
and
I
think,
when
I
looked
at
it
very
carefully,
I
went
through
the
points
one
by
one.
I
think
you
know
this.
A
G
G
We
have
a
very
good
professional
staff
that
have
addressed
those
issues
through
the
comprehensive
report
and
through,
I
believe,
the
peer
reviews
that
have
come
forward.
So
we
can
delay
this
and,
quite
frankly,
the
proponent.
As
I
understand
it
might
be
perfectly
within
their
rights
to
appeal
this,
because
we've
gone
beyond
the
time
allocation.
H
A
G
A
A
Sure
so
a
couple
things.
First
of
all,
it
was
a
motion
to
defer
the
past
so
that
we
didn't
actually
make
a
decision
on
that
file.
The
second
piece
is
that,
given
the
legislative
changes
of
the
provincial
level,
it's
no
longer
required
that
if
we,
if
the
council
votes
down
a
planning
recommendation
that
we
have
to
provide
that
personnel,
that's
no
longer
there.
A
A
All
those
in
favor
proposed
and
that's
carried
okay
moving
on.
We
have
nothing
from
committee
of
the
whole
information
reports.
If
you
have
a
question,
as
I
read
through
them,
just
raise
your
hand
number
one
quarterly
report,
tourism,
kingston,
q2,
2020,
number:
two,
I'm
sorry,
counselor
hutchinson.
W
V
W
V
So
through
you,
mr
mayor
members
of
council,
might
recall
that
when
the
destination
strategy
was
endorsed
over
a
year
ago
by
this
council,
there
was
actually
in
there
a
recommendation
to
review
the
need
or
or
the
possibility
of
a
conference
center
in
kingston.
So
tourism
kingston
did
start
that
work.
Obviously
before
covet
19
and
we've
been
working
with
them
to
to
look
at.
V
You
know
the
market
today
compare-
and
I
know
there
was
a
study
done
about
five
six
years
ago,
but
I
also
recognize
that
the
market
has
changed,
which
is
why
the
destination
strategy
recommended
that
we
review
that
and
provide
an
update.
They
are
working
through
the
the
draft
of
the
study.
Obviously,
we
recognize
that
during
covid,
the
idea
of
a
conference
center
when
conferences
are
have
been
cancelled
and-
and
we
do
not
know
when
and
how
they
will
be
held
in
the
future-
maybe
too
premature.
V
For
you,
mr
mayor,
so
the
if
you're
referring
to
the
destination
strategy
that
council
endorsed,
I
I
could
send
you
that
that
report,
that
was
over
a
year
ago,
if
you're,
referring
to
the
update
in
terms
of
review
for
conference
center,
there
hasn't
been
a
date.
I
think
at
this
point
set
up
for
for
this
to
be
coming
back
to
council.
W
A
A
D1,
which
sets
out
the
membership
of
agencies
and
boards
with
council.
Appointees,
therefore
be
a
resolve
that
a
bylaw
be
presented
to
council
for
all
three
readings.
On
august
11
2020
to
amend
the
city
of
kingston
committee
bylaw
to
reflect
the
direction
approved
by
the
shareholder
of
the
kingston
frank
housing
corporation
and
its
agm
on
june
16
2020.
With
respect
to
the
number
of
directors
of
the
kingston
frondeck
housing
corporation,
I
have
a
mover
and
a
secondary.
Please
move
by
councilor
hill
seconded
by
councillor.
A
Stroud,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
scary,
number
two
that,
as
requested
by
andrew
silver
president
fine
balance
brewing
company,
limited
kingston
city
council
support
the
application
of
fine
balance.
Brewing
company
limited
for
a
manufacturer's,
limited
liquor
sales
license.
I
have
a
mover
moved
by
accounts
of
home
seconded
by
councillor
holland.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
in
that
case
number
three,
that
the
resignation
of
emily
sue
from
the
municipal
accessibility
advisory
committee
be
received.
A
A
G
Whereas
these
shared
services
are
recognized
as
essential
and
vital
services
to
our
residents,
particularly
during
the
current
pandemic
and
in
recognition
of
this.
On
april,
21st
2020
city
council
approved
a
one-time
contribution
to
the
county
of
frontenac
of
240
000
to
continue
to
support
land
ambulance
services
and
whereas
the
county
of
frontenac
provided
an
update
to
their
budget
for
these
services
on
may
5th.
G
G
The
remaining
budget
allocation
for
a
fair
amount
home
for
the
age,
as
requested
by
the
county
of
frontnet
in
the
amount
of
a
recovery
of
twenty
eight
thousand.
For
twenty
nine,
twenty
eight
thousand
two
hundred
and
thirty
six
dollars
for
2019
and
a
payment
of
five
hundred
and
fifteen
thousand
164
for
2020
that
the
total
remaining
budget
allocation
to
be
paid
in
the
amount
of
1
million
116.
A
It
is
intended
to
clearly
show
support
for
front
act,
paramedics
for
online
staff
at
fairmont,
long-term
care
home
who
do
tremendous
work
each
and
every
day,
but
especially
during
the
midst
of
the
coca-19
pandemic.
At
the
same
time,
it
also
speaks
very
much
to
the
concern
that
we
have
had
over
the
last
year.
A
A
I
do
agree
with
a
comment
that
counselor
neil
has
made
in
the
past
that
I
do
believe
we
have
a
problem
of
taxation
without
representation
in
this
situation,
but
it
is
what
it
is.
This
is
the
situation
we
face
with
this
under
the
current
agreement,
so
it's
better
just
to
be
upfront,
honest,
open
and
communicate
that
clearly
to
to
kingston
taxpayers.
So
that,
essentially,
is
the
intent
and
the
drive
behind
this
motion.
I'm
certainly
happy
to
take
any
questions.
Z
Okay,
sorry,
thank
you
just
curious.
Are
there
any
other
municipalities
with
a
similar
situation
and
I
serve
as
well
on
that
board
our
committee,
I
I'm
just
confused.
I
remain
incredibly
confused
how
this
this
could
actually
be,
that
we
don't
have
representation
on
the
board
and
it's
it's
difficult
to
change
it.
I
understand
that
so
I'm
just
wondering
would
this
putting
this
as
a
separate
line
item.
Would
there
be
any
precedent
for
that
or
are
we
setting
precedent
or
any
other
municipalities
that
we
know
of
handling
it
in
this
way.
A
So
I
think
counselor
offer
what
I
can
say,
certainly
in
the
the
the
notes
that
I
have
taken
from
some
of
our
municipalities
across
ontario.
Is
that
there's
there's
a
variety
of
different
shared
service
agreements,
so
they
are
common,
but
they
they
do
vary,
and
so
there
are
some
where
there
are
a
joint
board
where
there
is
some
representation.
There
are
other
situations
where
that
are
exactly
like
ours.
A
So
I
think
the
only
comment
that
I
would
make
in
terms
of
precedent
for
us.
I
think
what
is
making
it
clear
is
the
county
of
france
is
the
is
the
only
entity
that
has
been
included
in
our
budget
so
far
for
which
we
have
no
decision-making
authority
every
other
external
agency.
There
is
some
representation
generally
from
at
least
one
member
of
council,
so
I
think
that
that
would
be.
V
O
I
think
that
our
taxpayers
rightfully
would
want
to
have
some
direct
input
into
and
they're
only
going
to
have
that
through
their
own
elected
body,
that
county
frontenac
is
not
that
body,
so
I
I
hope
the
promise
will
take
note
of
this
down
the
road
and
make
the
kind
of
adjustments
that
we
need
to
make
or
to
make
this
more
fair
forever.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you
so,
okay,
first
question
hypothetical
future:
let's
say
future
representation
at
the
county
level
in
a
few
years
time
could
another
mediation
site
could
could
would
there
be
the
potential
to
reopen
this
and
develop
more
of
a
joint
decision-making
process
in
the
future?
Is
the
question
to
who
whomever.
A
So
against
holland,
I
think
I'll
I'll
answer
that
one
by
saying,
certainly
in
my
view,
I
would
be
open
to
to
a
discussion
with
county
on
on
ways
that
we
could
look
at
that
that
governance
question.
But
I
I
would
stress
that
I
I
think
it
would
need
to
be
a
a
mutual
decision
to
move
forward
with
that,
but
certainly
my
door
will
continue
to
be
to
be
open
on
that.
Okay,.
R
E
Another
question
to
staff:
I
guess
just
in
terms
of
the
implications
when
we
think
about
the
fact
that
we
have
read,
oppressed
and
and
when
we
saw
these
proposals
coming
forward
from
from
the
county
and
and
the
rationale
was
increasing
the
server's
standard
in
long-term
care,
which
is
a
great
great
idea
and
certainly
paper
that,
although
comes
with
significant
costs-
and
I
was
just
curious-
how?
How
will
we
manage
the
any
discrepancy
between
what
is
being
provided
at
fairmont,
home
versus
burrito
crest.
W
G
V
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
deputy
mayor,
so
first
of
all
to
the
general
member
of
the
public,
the
way
that
we
calculate
the
hours
of
care
per
resident.
It's
not
something
that
people
typically
inquire
about.
They
look
at
the
level
of
service
and
they
look
at
how
we
are
caring
for
their
loved
ones.
So
I
I
think
you
know
we
have
a
number
of
legislative
requirements
under
the
long-term
care
act.
V
There's
a
very
long
list
of
those
and
our
focus
is
to
continue
to
meet
and
exceed
those
requirements
and
to
really
provide
the
best
service.
We
can.
We
also
know
that
the
province
is
going
to
be
doing
a
review
in
terms
of
long-term
care,
I'm
not
sure
what
exactly
that's
going
to
entail,
but
my
guess
will
be
that
the
service
level
will
be
reviewed
as
part
of
of
that
process,
considering
some
of
the
concerns
that
have
come
out
in
terms
of
long-term
care
during
the
covid
pandemic.
So
I
think.
T
E
E
E
We
can
do
here
and
that's
great,
but
I
think
I
think
that
the
that
there
are
so
many
demands
that
that
request
that
we
receive
regularly
from
residents
in
in
our
own
city,
and
it
will
be
very
challenging
to
begin
the
process
of
having
conversations
and
saying
you
know
explaining
why
something
might
cost
a
certain
amount
in
another
that
that's
being
governed
by
another
jurisdiction.
I
mean
that's
going
to
be
very
challenging
when,
when
it
comes
to
accountability
for
us
in
the
future,
but
we
will
do
our
best.
Thank
you.
Q
Q
You
know
under
the
difficult
difficult
circumstances,
I
always
thought
it
was
unfair
for
the
nurses
and
fair
amount
and
the
paramedics
to
be
caught
in
the
middle
of
this
government
squabble.
I
guess
you
can
call
it
and
and-
and
the
mayor
is
100
correct-
to
say
that
these
frontline
workers
are
need
to
be
supported
and-
and
I
think
thank
you
for
those
comments
and
for
that
aspect
of
the
motion,
I
also
think
transparency
is
always
always
well.
We
should
have.
G
G
We
have
public
committees
in
areas
where
the
bulk
of
the
funding
comes
from
the
city
of
kingston
and
staff
can
correct
me
or
the
mayor
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
every
one
of
those
committees
we
invite
the
county
to
put
members
on
those
committees,
housing
and
homelessness
library
committee,
the
bulk
of
the
funding
for
public
health
comes
from
the
city.
They
are
all
all
other
groups
are
represented
at
those
at
those
bodies.
G
So
it's
really
really
unfortunate
that
the
county
has
taken.
This
stands
that
they
don't
need
to
hear
our
voices.
They
don't
need
us
to
be
engaged
in
the
process.
They
just
have
to
send
us
a
bill
every
year,
and
that
is
really
really
frustrating
and
it
is
indeed
taxation.
Without
representation,
we
don't
have
an
opportunity
on
behalf
of
and
and
the
county
has,
unless
the
numbers
have
changed,
the
county
has
13
or
14
of
the
population.
G
G
O
G
A
A
B
B
Okay,
before
I
start
reading
the
bylaws
I
just
wanted
to
let
members
of
council
know
we
have
six
by-law
votes
tonight
for
the
first
three
by-law
votes
councillor.
Holland
will
be
excused
so
we'll
start
with
bylaw
two
that
bylaw
excuse
me
moved
by
councillor
stroud
seconded
by
councilor
mclaren
that
bylaw
to
be
given
its
first
and
second
reading.