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Kingston City Council meeting from August 9, 2022. For full agenda details visit https://bit.ly/3PgaGXM
A
Okay,
everyone
we're
going
to
to
call
to
order
sego,
ani
endio
as
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
kingston.
I
offer
these
words
in
the
spirit
of
this
gathering.
Let
us
bring
our
good
minds
and
hearts
together
as
one
to
honor
and
celebrate
these
traditional
lands
as
a
gathering
place
of
the
original
peoples
and
their
ancestors
who
were
entrusted
to
care
for
mother
earth
since
time
immemorial.
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
We
were
just
meeting
committee
of
the
whole
closed
meeting.
We
discussed
several
items:
respect
to
update
on
recruitment
and
retention
efforts,
a
couple
of
matters
before
the
ontario
land
tribunal,
the
eldenburg
quarry
and
also
the
new
city
of
kingston
zoning
bylaw
and
then
also
some
potential
acquisitions
for
parkland
and
waterfront
and
potential
acquisitions
from
municipal
facilities.
A
All
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried,
okay.
Moving
on
to
the
approval
of
the
addeds,
we
have
two
sets
of
audits,
which
we'll
look
to
approve
together.
These
addeds
would
add
five
delegations.
We
have
amendments
to
new
motion
number
two
and
a
couple
of
motions
of
congratulations
and
then
some
communications
can.
I
have
a
mover
and
a
second
for
the
adds
moved
by
accounts,
deputy
mayor
o'neill,
second
by
council
kylie,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried,
okay
moving
on.
Are
there
any
disclosures
of
potential
bikinary
interest,
counselor
chapelle.
C
Yes,
your
worshipping
through
you,
I
simon
chappelle,
account
of
the
council.
The
corporation,
the
city
of
kingston,
declared
my
bikini
interest
in
the
matter
of
motions
number
one
and
two,
as
I
employed
with
tribunals
ontario
and
serve
at
the
executive
management
table
with
the
associate
chair
of
the
landlord-tenant
board.
D
F
A
There
are
no
other
declarations
in
your
interest,
we'll
move
on,
so
we
have.
No,
I'm
sorry.
We
have
no
presentations
this
meeting,
but
we
do
have
several
delegations,
so
first
I'll
invite
brian
and
catherine
stone
to
appear
before
council
to
speak
to
clause.
2
2
1
of
report
number
76
from
the
heritage
kingston
with
respect
to
the
application
for
ontario
heritage
act,
approval,
73,
arlington
avenue,
mr
mrs
stone
welcome,
and
if
you're
there
I
will
hand
the
floor
over
to
you
just
a
note
to
all
of
our
delegations.
A
G
Your
worship,
mayor,
patterson
and
city
councillors,
my
name
is
brian
stone.
I'm
a
designer
at
stone
and
associates.
I'm
here
today
to
request
your
support
on
behalf
of
holden
and
feybar,
to
build
a
custom
home
for
their
personal
use
at
73,
arlington
avenue
next
slide.
Please
at
the
northeast
corner
of
bollington
avenue
and
union
street
is
77
arlington
avenue
a
large
corner
lot
with
a
victorian
part,
4
designated
three-story
residence,
which
includes
a
carriage
house
attached
to
the
residence
next
slide.
G
G
The
site
plan
shows
a
long,
narrow,
lawsuit
next
slide.
Please
our
design
solution
maintain
the
full
carriage
house
street
view,
facade
the
upper
hatch
and
lower
carriage
house
door.
Openings
have
been
maintained
along
with
their
unique
deepwood
surrounds
the
wood
doors,
have
been
replaced
with
glass
windows
and
sliding
doors
to
replicate
those
of
the
parent
house
at
77.
G
Our
provision
here
is
to
create
contrast
between
the
old
and
new,
not
to
reimagine
the
old
next
slide.
Please,
the
infill
home
has
been
added
to
the
site
plan
on
the
non-narrow
lot.
The
bulk
of
the
home
is
to
the
rear
of
the
carriage
house.
This
plan
was
devised
to
maintain
as
many
of
the
mature
trees
as
possible.
G
Next
slide,
please
from
this
image
you
can
see
how
much
further
back
the
carriage
house
sits
compared
to
the
other
properties
on
the
street,
which
hugged
the
sidewalk
next
slide.
Please,
this
image
further
illustrates
the
forward
position
of
the
balance
of
homes
on
this
street
versus
the
increased
setback
of
the
carriage
house.
Next
slide.
Please.
G
This
slide
shows
the
position
of
the
infill
gable
end
from
the
street
approach
with
the
north
and
south
illustrating
its
forward
position,
which
in
no
way
blocks
or
concealed
the
historic
heritage
houses
you'll,
have
to
look
closely
on
the
image
on
the
right.
You'll
see
that
I'm
holding
a
red
stick
in
the
air
which
illustrates
the
front
corner
of
the
proposed
infill
gable
end
showing
that
it
is
no
way
going
to
block
the
carriage
house
next
slide.
G
Please
image
shows
the
westernmost
face
of
our
proposed
infill
home
in
line
with
the
existing
face
of
the
parent
home
at
77.
Arlington
next
slide.
Please,
in
this
slide
we're
showing
prospective
views
of
the
marriage
between
the
historic
carriage
house
and
the
proposed
infill
home.
The
physical
massing,
roof
angles
and
proximity
of
the
proposed
infill
home
are
in
scale
with
the
carriage
house.
The
simplicity
of
the
single-story
entrance
creates
a
bridge
between
the
old
and
the
new
next
slide.
Please,
the
balance
of
height
weight
and
finishes
is
illustrated
with
brick
dominating
the
landscape.
G
G
G
This
slide
shows
the
proposed
second
level
floor
plan,
including
a
guest
suite
over
the
garage
suite
next
slide.
Please
this
slide
depicts
the
eastern
rear
face
of
the
carriage
house,
which
will
be
fully
restored
to
become
a
feature
wall
in
the
main
living
space
via
an
open
stairwell
to
the
second
level
permanently.
Protecting
the
visibility
to
the
homeowner's
enjoy
note
that
this
property
is
completely
surrounded
by
deep
tree
fenced
yards,
making
it
impossible
to
be
seen
by
the
public.
G
To
close,
I
would
like
to
thank
you
for
your
time
and
consideration
on
this
file.
I
hope
that
you
will
agree
that,
through
this
presentation,
we
have
shown
that
our
infill
design
not
only
meets
the
requirements
of
the
ontario
heritage
act,
as
confirmed
by
members
of
kingston's
heritage
department,
but
also
provides
a
harmonious
design,
balancing
historic
preservation
with
an
infill
plan
that
caters
to
our
clients,
needs
and
wants
of
a
dream.
A
Okay,
mr
stone,
thank
you
for
your
time
out.
Okay,
with
that,
we'll
move
to
our
second
delegation,
we'll
invite
joseph
dowser
to
appear
before
council
to
speak
to
new
motion
number
one
regarding
their
request
to
the
provincial
government
to
release
a
landlord
and
tenant
board
information.
Mr
dowser
welcome
and
you
have
the
floor.
H
Sorry,
I
was
on
mute
there.
Sorry,
thank
you,
your
worship
and
through
you,
my
name
is
joseph
dowser.
I
am
a
rental
tenant
in
the
city
of
kingston
and
appreciate
this
opportunity
to
provide
my
response
to
this
motion.
First
and
foremost,
I
do
not
oppose
an
individuals
or
corporations
rights
and
freedoms
to
earning
income.
Nor
do
I
oppose
the
province's
rollback
of
several
landlord-restricted
clauses
that
were
contained
within
the
residential
tenancies
act
or
the
rta.
H
The
rta
provides
a
fair
and
level
field
for
both
tenants
and
landlords
where
the
landlord
and
tenant
board
or
the
ltb
provides
a
fair
and
impartial
platform
where
both
tenants
and
landlords
may
file
applications
and
or
disputes
for
resolution.
An
example
of
this
fair
and
level
field
could
be
a
landlord
is
responsible
to
affect
maintenance
and
repairs
to
a
residential
unit,
whereas
a
tenant
is
responsible
for
not
damaging
the
rental
unit.
H
Beyond
the
scope
of
wear
and
tear
both
the
rta
and
ltb
principally
operate
on
an
honors
system,
and
as
such,
it
would
be
presumed
that
matters
placed
before
the
ltb
is
honest
and
true.
Unfortunately,
there
are
some
landlords
that
use
the
rta
and
ltb
as
a
platform
for
gain
and
that
gain
would
be
higher
rental
rates,
maximizing,
shareholder
profits.
H
The
rta
protects
tenants
from
substantial
rent
increases,
while
occupied
and
landlords
could
file
with
the
ltb
in
bad
faith
and
not
for
what
the
application
or
form
is
intended
for
such
would
be
the
case
with
forms
n12
and
n13.
However,
there
are
additional
applications,
forms
and
tactics.
Landlords
could
take
advantage
of
to
increase
the
rent
and
or
evict
tenants
to
allow
for
substantial
rent
increases.
H
It
would
be
beneficial
to
this
council
to
broaden
the
scope
of
the
motion's
request
for
information
from
the
ltb
to
include
these
applications
and
forms.
This
brought
in
scope
will
provide
an
unfettered
view
of
all
avenues
used
by
both
landlords
and
tenants.
Landlords
are
only
permitted
to
increase
rent
under
a
form
n1
as
set
by
the
province.
H
It
does
not
cover
any
orders
issued
against
the
landlord
once
a
tenant
receives
an
agi,
they
are
instructed
to
pay
this
new
rental
weight,
while
the
landlord
files,
the
agi
with
the
ltb
for
resolution.
In
many
cases,
these
agis
are
not
filed
with
the
ltb
and
the
tenant
continues
to
pay.
The
higher
rental
amount
agis
were
issued
by
many
landlords
in
2021,
when
the
n1
rate
was
set
at
zero
percent
due
to
the
pandemic.
H
It
would
be
beneficial
for
council
to
request
copies
of
these
agis
from
tenants
for
comparison
and
verification
of
the
landlord's
filing
another
avenue
for
cancel
to
consider
that
landlords
potentially
have
been
diminishing
the
tenants
rights
under
the
rta
to
reasonable
enjoyment
of
the
rental
unit.
This
is
accomplished
either
through
lack
of
maintenance
or
repairs,
unlawful
alterations
to
the
tenancy
agreement
released
without
consent
and
strong-armed
tactics
through
the
use
of
a
form
n5
or
n7.
H
This
year,
some
landlords
made
arbitrary
decisions
to
amend
the
rental
agreement
without
consent,
whereas
tenants
are
no
longer
permitted
to
use
window.
Air
conditioners,
many
tenants
have
window
air
conditioners
incorporated
into
and
as
part
of
the
lease
and
rental
amount.
In
some
instances,
landlords
and
or
their
agents
have
stated
that
the
city
bylaws
no
longer
permit
window
air
conditioners,
as
is
the
case
seen
in
toronto.
H
Tenants
have
been
offered
portable
air
conditioners
at
an
additional
monthly
cost,
on
top
of
the
amounts
already
set
forth
within
the
rental
agreement
or
lease.
This
places,
unreasonable
economic
burden
upon
the
tenant
affects
their
health
and
well-being
and
ultimately
interferes
with
the
tenants
rights
through
reasonable
enjoyment
of
their
rental
unit
under
the
rta,
tenants
feel
that
they
have
no
options
available
to
them
and
vacate
the
rental
unit,
which
enables
the
landlord
to
increase
the
units.
H
Furthermore,
tribunals
ontario
has
made
access
to
social
justice
easier
for
tenants,
should
any
tenant
believe
that
their
landlord
has
served
or
filed
in
bad
faith
or
is
not
acting
within
the
scope
of
the
rta.
The
tenants
should
not
leave
such
a
such
uncontested
and
proceed
to
file
the
appropriate
response
with
the
application
to
the
ltb.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
attention
to
this
important
matter.
A
I
Thank
you
very
much
study
counselors.
I
was
wondering
if
I
could
share
my
slide
or,
if
my
thank
you
so
much
for
sharing
the
slides
yeah
without
further
ado,
I'm
going
to
start
before,
starting
I'm
going
to
refer
to
the
word
sexual
violence
a
lot
throughout
my
presentation
and
next
slide.
Please.
I
wanted
to
share
a
quick
definition.
I
Sexual
violence
is
a
broad
term
that
describes
any
violence,
physical
or
psychological,
carried
out
through
sexual
means
or
by
targeting
sexuality.
Next
slides,
please
some
of
the
conversation
and
that
we
might
have
is
going
to
be
hard.
So
speaking
of
sexual
violence
can
be
difficult
for
many
people.
Please
all
of
you.
I
urge
you
to
take
a
moment
to
breathe
deeply.
I
I
Next
slide,
please
a
bit
about
the
history
of
how
it
all
began
so
the
first,
a
rape
crisis
center
in
canada
opened
in
toronto
and
in
ottawa
in
1974
in
1977
15
women
in
kingston
started
working
towards
developing
a
rape
crisis
center
here
in
our
community
in
1978,
and
they
incorporated
a
sexual
assault
crisis
center,
operated
as
a
collective
and
started
with
crisis
line
accompaniments
and
peer
support
for
survivors
in
our
community.
In
1990,
the
center
started
to
get
annualized
government
funding
and
our
most
recent
change
in
2016..
I
I
So
the
work
art
we
do
as
a
lot
as
you
can
see
on
this
slide,
but
I'm
just
going
to
summarize
it
into
four
categories:
individual
and
verb
counseling
for
survivors
and
their
loved
ones.
Public
education
and
community
engagement,
crisis,
support
and
volunteer
program,
and
we
also
do
quite
a
bit
of
advocacy
and
social
change
work
within
the
kingston
community
and
ontario
next
slide.
Please
just
to
give
everybody
here
a
bit
of
context
of
the
landscape
of
sexual
violence.
One
in
three
women
will
experience
sexual
violence
and
assault
in
their
lifetime.
I
One
in
three
men
will
experience
sexual
assault
in
their
lifetime
and
about
6
in
10.
Indigenous
women
will
or
have
experienced
some
form
of
intimate
partner
violence
in
their
lifetime,
and
that
being
said,
trans
individuals
are
a
higher
risk
for
sexual
violence.
Existing
societal
attitudes
justify
tolerate,
and,
unfortunately,
normalize
and
minimize
sexual
violence
against
women.
Girls,
as
well
as
non-binary
individuals
in
our
community
next
slide.
I
I
More
most
existing
ontario
sexual
assault
centers
have
been
operating,
as
I
mentioned
since
1990s,
and
during
this
time
the
number
of
survivors
accessing
crisis
counseling
and
long-term
counseling
or
therapy
programs
has
multiple
in
some
regions
up
to
four
or
eight
times
yet.
Funding
has
simply
not
kept
up.
I
Okay,
thank
you
in
2018,
ontario
promised
more
funding
which
never
came
through
and
as
a
result
of
that,
we
are
able
to
support
less
full-time
staff
to
do
the
work
that
we
do.
Can
we
skip
to
the
last
line?
Please
now
that
we
have
less
time
the
advocacy
of
our
municipality
and
others
for
central
sexual
assault.
I
Centers
in
the
province
is
greatly
needed
and
we
hope
that
the
city
of
kingston
can
take
leadership
by
recognizing
the
need
for
increased
community
sexual
funding
for
sexual
assault,
centers
and
then
increase
resources
make
a
tangible
difference
in
our
community.
It
means
more
support
options
for
people
experiencing
sexual
violence,
less
waiting
time
for
counseling
and
faster
prevention
and
education.
So
young
people
know
their
rights
and
supports.
A
J
Thank
you,
mayor
patterson,
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
I
guess
just
to
sort
of
get
a
bit
more
information
from
you
and
from
your
presentation
did.
Could
you
maybe
speak
to
provide
a
definition
on
community-based
services
and
perhaps
just
get
in
a
little
bit
more
into
the
specifics
of
the
services
that
are
provided
and
what
is
is
needed
in
terms
of
on
the
support?
That's
not
there,
but
that
would
be
required
from
the
province.
I
I
Just
over
the
past
couple
of
years.
During
the
pandemic,
we
have
seen
more
than
50
increase
for
all
of
the
supports
that
we
provide.
That
includes
our
24-hour
crisis
line,
which
is
open
to
survivors
and
their
loved
ones.
Our
counseling
services,
as
well
as
our
education
and
support
services.
Our
crisis
line
has
seen
a
3300
percent
increase.
However,
our
funding
has
remained
the
same,
and
so
has
the
funding
of
all
of
the
other
sexual
assault.
I
Centers
community-based
sexual
assault
centers
across
ontario-
and
this
is
just
not
acceptable
in
our
view-
and
we're
really
hoping
that
we
could
get
municipality
support
to
encourage
the
current
government
to
provide
more
sustainable
funding
to
ontario's
community-based
centers.
There
has
been
some
funding-
that's
been
very
justice
oriented,
so
it's
mainly
gone
to
agents,
agencies
or
organizations
or
services
that
are
working
within
a
justice
frame.
However,
we
know
that
a
lot
of
survivors
of
sexual
violence
do
not
report
and
they
do
not
seek
that
route
for
their
healing
journey.
I
A
A
K
K
K
Occasionally
these
encounters
and
conversations
have
actually
resulted
in
friendships.
I've
witnessed
the
response
of
kingston
citizens
to
unhoused
people.
The
kingston
women's
interfaith
group,
of
which
I
am
a
member,
is
composed
of
muslim,
jewish
and
christian
women.
This
organization
supports
homeless
people
through
donations
and
advocacy.
K
Many
kingston
and
area
churches
have
taken
action
to
identify
and
address
the
needs
of
our
unhoused
neighbors.
These
churches
include:
chalmers
united
church,
saint
thomas
anglican
church,
saint
james,
anglican
church,
saint
mark's,
lutheran
church,
saint
andrews,
presbyterian,
church,
glen,
burnie,
united
church
inverary,
united
church
zion,
united
church
saint
andrews
by
the
lake,
united
church
and
others.
K
K
K
I
urge
the
city
of
kingston
not
to
let
this
project
die,
but
to
give
the
project
the
support
it
needs
in
order
to
survive
and
function.
This
support
must
take
the
form
of
realistic
funding.
It
must
also
take
the
form
of
respecting
the
wise
and
competent
management
of
the
program
provided
by
our
livable
solutions.
K
Homeless.
People
are
not
statistics
in
a
database.
They
are
individuals
who
form
a
community
based
on
individual
personal
relationships,
as
we
all
do.
As
many
successful
programs
demonstrate,
the
careful
selection
of
residents
must
be
done
by
those
with
personal
knowledge
of
the
individuals
who
will
be
able
to
live
together
in
harmony.
K
C
C
K
Our
livable
solutions
was
the
decision-making
body
that
chose
who
would
live
in
the
sleeping
cabins
in
the
first
place
and
in
the
second
round
of
sleeping
cabin
project.
I
think
it's
extremely
important
that
our
livable
solutions
remain
the
decision
maker
based
on
individual
relationships
with
people
who
will
be
living
there.
It's
terribly
important
that
they
be
able
to
treat
each
other
with
respect
and
that
they
be
able
to
live
together
in
harmony.
K
You
thought
you
could
live
with
for
us
to
imagine
that
a
homeless
person
who
has
been
living
in
very
difficult
circumstances
and
has
perhaps
experienced
some
emotional
disruptions
to
his
or
her
life
would
be
able
to
just
move
into
a
situation
and
live
with
people
that
he
or
she
had.
Perhaps
strife
with
been
frightened
of
or
whatever
is
unrealistic.
K
The
project
works
if
the
people
are
chosen
in
order
to
maximize
the
opportunity
of
a
community
forming
and
it
does
form
they
eat
together,
they
visit
with
each
other.
They
support
each
other.
As
you
have
heard,
you've
visited
there,
they
speak
highly
of
one
another
trust
grows
among
them
and
that
trust
is
crucial
and
the
decision-making
process
needs
to
lie
with
our
livable
solutions,
which
is
doing
the
day-to-day
management
of
the
program.
If
people,
for
instance,
with
very
high
what
they
call
acuity,
that
is
acuteness
of
needs.
C
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
clarity
on
that.
I
have
one
other
question
and
I
I've
seen
a
lot
of
proposals
that
have
come
through
the
the
horseshoe
here
where
funding
is
allocated
to
projects
but
the.
But
from
what
I
understand,
this
is
the
only
project
in
the
social
services
sector,
where
the
funding
always
seems
to
be
withheld
and
the
parties.
Your
group,
your
volunteers,
are
front
loading.
K
Yes,
indeed,
I
can't
understand
why
it
should
be
that
one
individual
should
be
funding
the
program
from
her
personal
credit
card
making
loans
to
the
project
when
the
funds
were
promised
up
front.
I
would
very
much
urge
city,
council
and
staff
to
ensure
that
that
money
be
paid
immediately,
whether
or
not
the
persons
who
normally
would
write
the
checks
are
on
vacation
or
whatever,
and
that
the
funding
in
the
future
program
comes
through
properly,
so
that
the
program
can
continue.
A
Very
much
thank
you.
Are
there
any
other
questions?
Okay,
ms
clark,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
delegation
with
that.
We'll
move
to
our
fifth
and
final
delegation
we'll
invite
christine
sloan
to
appear
before
council,
also
to
speak
with
respect
to
the
sleeping,
cabin's,
longer
term
options.
Ms
sloan
welcome
and
you
have
the
floor.
L
L
So
I
first
heard
of
the
ols
heard
of
ols
when
the
cabins
were
first
being
set
up
at
portsmouth
harbor,
and
I
thought
it
was
a
new
and
awesome
initiative,
a
new
innovative
way
to
tackle
the
housing
and
homelessness
crisis
in
our
city.
But
I
do
have
to
admit
that
at
the
time
that
I
knew
that
there
was
a
crisis
living
and
working
in
the
west
end,
I
was
very
much
removed
from
that
world,
while
living
and
working
in
the
west
end.
L
L
L
L
So
I
just
want
to
offer
you
a
few
operational
notes.
First
of
all,
we're
currently
operating
at
center
70
with
six
staff
members,
that's
the
equivalent
of
four-time
full
four
full-time
employees,
so
the
cabins
are
staffed,
24
7
and
if
we
move
to
15
cabins
in
october,
we'll
need
at
least
12
employees,
which
will
be
the
equivalent
of
eight
full-time
employees.
As
when
we
move
to
50.
If
we
move
to
15
cabins
we're
going
to
need
two
staff
members
on
24
7.
M
Now
we're
looking
at
tonight's
report
at
various
locations,
and
I
certainly
have
heard
some
res
from
some
residents
that
they're
concerned
about
the
cabins
perhaps
coming
to
their
neighborhood.
I
I
live
in
portsmouth
district
and
I'm
I'm
the
portsmouth
counselor
and
just
around
the
corner,
in
fact
where
the
first
sleeping
cabins
were,
and
it
was
a
very
positive
experience
and
there
were
certainly
concerns
before
the
sleeping
cabins
were
introduced
to
the
neighborhood.
M
But
the
result
was
actually
that
people
got
to
know
their
new
neighbors.
It
was
a
very
positive
experience,
but
I
wonder
if
you
could
just
share
from
from
the
board's
experience.
So
that's
one
example.
I
believe
counselor
hill
had
the
same
example,
but
that's
just
one
two
districts,
but
I
wonder
if
you
could
share
a
little
bit
more
about
what
the?
How
are
the
sleeping
cabins
are
different
than
encampments,
for
example
like
bell
parking
encampments
or
like
what
is
the
actual?
N
L
A
With
that
we'll
move
on
in
our
agenda,
we
have
no
further
delegations.
We
have
no
briefings.
Are
there
any
petitions
to
present
okay?
We
do
have
a
couple
of
motions
of
congratulations.
First,
moved
by
council
mclaren
seconded
by
councillor
doherty
that
the
congratulations
of
kingston
city
council
be
extended
to
newer
maslum
marketing
and
communications
manager
for
kingston
economic
development
corporation
on
winning
the
economic
developers
council
of
ontario's
president's
award
for
2021,
which
is
now
acknowledges
the
recipient's
contribution
to
the
economic
development
profession.
A
That
goes
above
and
beyond
number
two
moved
by
council
mclaren
seconded
by
councillor
hill,
that
the
congratulations
of
kingston
city
council
be
extended
to
donna,
gillespie
chief
executive
officer
on
the
occasion
of
having
served
the
city
through
the
kingston
economic
development
corporation
for
15
years.
We'll
call
the
vote
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried.
Okay.
A
A
Okay,
number
counselor,
holland.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
That
is
excellent.
So
what
we
will
do,
then,
is.
Do
I
need
a
mover
in
a
seconder
for
that
secret?
Okay,
can
I
get
a
mover
and
a
second
removed
by
council
carly,
said
goodbye
deputy
mayor
neal
to
to
put
forward
councillor
holland
for
the
review
committee
on
operating
grants,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried.
A
O
A
Yes,
absolutely
so
absolutely
so
what
we
would
do
is
we
would
split
those
two.
So
if
we
were
to
deal
with
that
second
second
clause
that
counselor
neil
be
appointed
kingston
access
services
for
the
remainder
of
the
term.
Can
I
have
a
mover
and
a
seconder
for
that
booed
by
cancer
hill
seconded
by
councillor
chappelle,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried
last
call
for
tourism,
kingston.
A
A
Yeah,
it's
already
been
separated;
okay,
so
first
we
will
deal
with
the
clauses
that
have
not
been
separated
so
number
one.
A
word
of
contract
for
fire
records
management
system
number
two
hospice
walk
license
agreement,
providence
care
center
clause,
5
new
patio,
application,
168,
wellington,
street
and
clause
7
proposed
contract
2022-2024
extended
care,
canada,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried.
A
C
Yes,
when
I
read
the
your
worship
when
I
read
the
extension
of
the
keg
lease
and
I
looked
at
the
dates
december
2032
to
this
into
november
2033-
and
I
thought
how
old
will
I
be
then
I'll
be
able
to
celebrate
my
65th
birthday
there.
And
you
know
it's
a
wonderful
restaurant.
I
have
no
issues
with
it,
but
I
was
wondering
if
I
could
have
some
clarity
as
to
why
we're
looking
at
lease
renewal
so
far
outside
the
scope
of
our
term
of
council,
and
so
some
clarity
would
just
be
great.
Q
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
so
the
recommendation
is
to
extend
that
option
to
the
keg
should
they
us
to
negotiate
with
the
city.
At
that
time
we
are
have
signed
a
current
five-year
renewal
as
per
the
current
terms
of
their
agreement
and
they're
just
requesting
additional
five
years
at
the
end
of
their
of
their
term
of
the
lease.
But
that
is
that's.
That's
an
option
at
that
time
and
not
something
that
we're
negotiating
or
asking
council
to
approve
right
now.
A
O
Thank
you
very
much.
This
is
an
extent.
Extension
of
an
existing
program
and
kingston
on
a
per
capita
basis
has
the
highest
or
did
a
few
years
ago
I
haven't
heard
the
most
recent,
but
we
have
the
highest
number
of
of
public
transit
users
per
capita
in
all
of
ontario,
and
it's
something
we
should
be
very
proud
of,
and
this
hopefully,
will
continue
that
that
very
successful
program
in
the
future.
P
I
just
want
to
say
that
it's
incredible
to
see
this
now
permanently
established
it
took
years
to
get
this
and
didn't
exist
at
all.
When
I
was
first
elected
to
council
and
then
it
was
slowly
phased
in
and
now
we
have
a
really
fine
transit
program
that
introduces
young
people
to
using
the
transit
and
expanding
their
horizons
frankly
and
being
able
to
get
the
work
out
to
school
and
not
have
to
have
their
parents
take
them.
P
A
C
Yes,
thank
you,
worship.
I
was
just
curious
about
the
the
cost
of
twenty
nine
thousand
four
hundred
dollars
per
year
with
hsc
for
24
hour
surveillance,
and
these
are
commissioners
and
I'm
just
hoping
that
this
they
are
able
to
monitor
more
than
one
location
at
a
given
time,
because
it
seems
that
there's
a
rather
low
number
and
the
city
has
always
been
concerned
with
hiring
people
on
a
living
wage
and
it
just
sort
of
felt
that
outside
of
that
range
for
me
and
some
additional
clarity
would
be
helpful.
R
Thank
you
through
your
your
mr
mayor.
Yes,
so
this
is
actually
video
monitoring
it's
off-site
and
the
commissioners
will
be
observing
the
the
two
separate
parking
lots
at
the
same
time
from
a
from
a
remote
location,
with
the
possibility
that
they
could
respond
to
needs
in
the
off
hours
in
person,
if
required,
but
primarily
it's
a
it's.
A
remote
video
and
response
service.
M
M
Arriving
at
this
stage
has
been
a
journey
for
all
of
us.
First,
we
were
made
aware
of
the
practice
in
our
community,
and
then
we
learned
from
experts
and
survivors,
and
now
we
are
supporting
the
first
survivor
for
survivor
support
program
in
canada.
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
everyone
involved,
the
people
who
had
the
courage
to
speak
up,
and
especially
ben
rodgers,
who
didn't
only
speak
up
but
persevered
to
make
a
real
difference.
M
A
S
Thank
you,
your
worship
and
through
you.
I
know,
we've
already
heard
some
some
delegations
on
this
and
that
the
it's
hit
the
news
that
this
process
is
unfolding
right
now.
So
I
know
I've
heard
from
some
residents
on
this
and
I
think
one
of
the
key
things
to
mention
on
this
is
that
there
is
a
community
engagement
process,
so
there'll
be
more
details
that
come
out
on
that
with
any
initiative
like
this.
S
And
the
key
thing
on
this-
and
I
know
that
councilor
doherty
would
agree
with
this.
I'm
sure
is-
is
that
community
engagement
is
is,
what's
going
to
also
create
community
buy-in
for
the
sites
that
are
selected
and
ensuring
that
that
engagement
process
unfolds
and
that
people
truly
feel
that
their
concerns
are
answered
or
their
questions
or
their
suggestions
are
part
of
the
process
is
how
we
ensure
that
wherever
these
go,
that
they're
successful-
and
I
think
one
of
the
key
things
to
remember
with
this-
is
that
these
are
staffed
sites.
S
But
there
are
numerous
success
stories
that
have
come
out
of
this
of
people
who
have
lifted
themselves
through
this
program
out
of
poverty
and
are
now
gainfully
employed
and
are
now
renting
an
apartment
somewhere
else
in
the
city.
So
I
think
those
success
stories
are
what
we
need
to
to
key
in
on
on
this
and
actually
engage
the
community
to
hear
part
of
the
the
process
as
part
of
the
process
and
allow
them
to
hear
some
of
the
benefits
that
have
come
out
of
this
from
those
members
themselves.
S
N
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
So
thank
you
for
that
question.
Counselor
baum,
you,
you
kind
of
summarize
actually
a
couple
of
things
that
I
that
I
would
would
want
to
add
to
that
for
both
locations
at
the
portsmouth
olympic
harbor
and
center
70.
We
have
continued
to
obviously
work
very
closely
with
ols
and
also
with
tenants
and
also
neighbors
and
and
other
services
that
are
adjacent.
N
We
have
actually
not.
You
know
the
question
we
get
asked.
A
lot
is,
for
instance,
have
we
seen
an
increase
of
police
calls
which
we
haven't?
We
have
again,
as
there's
been
in
both
locations,
a
lot
of
questions
around
the
proximity
of
other
services
and
impacts,
but
we're
definitely
seeing
a
lot
of
kind
of
new
partnership
building
a
lot
of
new
opportunities
for
for
both
locations.
N
S
T
T
That
donation
would
be
split
between
capital
cost
on
the
site,
as
well
as
financing
a
modular
building
which
would
be
the
common
building
and
a
portion
of
that
money
would
also
be
provided
on
a
yearly
basis
to
help
support
the
operations
so
the
the
site
in
the
east
end.
The
rito
marina,
would
definitely
be
one
that
would
be
a
much
cheaper
from
a
city
perspective
in
terms
of
investment
that
would
be
required.
T
S
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
answer.
So
I
mean
all
we're
doing
really
here
at
this
point,
is:
is
initiating
community
engagement
on
these
sites,
which
I
think
is
a
key
start
to
this
entire
process
and
also
allowing
staff
to
execute
some
of
the
agreements
in
the
background
to
ensure
that,
as
we
know,
we're
going
lame
duck
after
this.
So
I
think
it's
key
that
staff
has
the
the
authority
to
kind
of
continue
this
process
in
the
background
during
the
municipal
election,
to
ensure
that
you
know
whatever
council
sits
here.
S
I
know
some
of
my
colleagues
are
not
running,
and
so
whatever
council
sits
here
come
october.
24Th
is,
is
not
left
with
their
hands
tied
with
winter
coming
up
and
all
of
a
sudden.
The
sites
are
selected
and
there's
no
buildings
anywhere,
because
basically
we
tied
staff's
hands
during
this.
So
I
hope
everybody
can
support
this.
I
know
it's
been
successful
in
the
other
parts
of
the
city
and,
ultimately,
really.
S
M
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
I
just
wonder
if
staff
could
and
through
you,
I
wonder
if
staff
could
clarify
what
the
the
first
recommend
clause
is
speaking
to,
because
it
does
mention
two
locations:
rideau,
marina
and
rhoden
park,
and
I've
had
people
reach
out
to
me
concerned
that
we
are
making
a
decision
on
the
location
tonight.
So
I
just
wonder
if
you
could
just
clarify
you
know:
counselor
boom
just
talked
about
the
the
the
process,
but
I
wonder
if
you
could
just
speak
to
this
first
clause,
see.
T
Thank
you
and
through
mr
mayor,
so
the
first
recommend
clause
basically
directs
staff
to
initiate
a
community
engagement
process
with
neighbors
of
the
area
for
rideau,
marina
and
ron
park.
Those
two
locations
were
identified
as
a
two
preferred
location
based
on
the
staff
analysis
that
was
completed
and
included
in
the
staff
report
as
well,
which
is
why
we're
recommending
to
initiate
engagement
with
the
community.
T
M
T
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
so
they're
not
completely
out
of
the
picture,
but
they
do
have
additional
challenges,
so
some
of
them,
for
example,
have
other
community
active
community
uses
such
as
the
herald
rv
center,
and
we
do
have
some
that
are
also
far
more
expensive,
such
as
a
gore
road
property
because
it
would
require
servicing.
So
those
are
not
out
of
the
picture,
but
they're
not
preferred
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
as
described
in
the
report.
M
T
Thank
you
and
through
mr
mayor,
so
at
this
point
we
wouldn't
target
an
active
engagement
to
process
for
the
other
locations.
We
would
prefer
to
focus
on
the
two
that
are
preferred
for
the
the
reasons
that
are
identified
in
the
report.
If
those
were
not
successful.
For
whatever
reason,
when
we
report
back
to
council
in
the
fall,
then
we
would
come
back
with
a
different
recommendation.
N
Thank
you
and
to
you
mayor,
mayor
patterson.
We
are
looking
at
a
september
timeline
for
the
engagement
process.
I'm
I
think.
Oh
my
video
left
is
gone
now
and
we
will
also
make
sure
that
the
many
you
know
the
people
that
have
already
reached
out
to
us
with
questions
over
the
last
week
or
so
will
also
be
made
aware
of
those
engagement.
But
we
will
utilize
our
existing
get
involved
process
and
also
will
make
sure
that
we
reach
out
to
the
neighborhoods
directly.
C
How
they've
come
to
that
that
program
of
50
homes
for
very
similar
models,
what
we've
proven
last
year.
My
concern
with
the
program,
though,
is
just
to
ensure
that
the
residents
that
were
benefiting
are
in
fact
kingston
residents.
I
know
that
you're
not
supposed
to
discourage
other
people,
but
I
wanna
you
make
a
great
service
to
help
people
get
on
their
feet
and
it
attracts
other
community
members
from
outside
of
the
community
and
and
as
taxpayers.
C
I
think
we
need
to
be
very
responsible
that
those
that
we're
helping
are
people
who
are
impacted
here
locally
in
kingston,
and
I
would
like
to
encourage
staff
to
try
to
help
facilitate
that
as
much
as
possible
without
breaching
any
human
ontario
human
rights
code
violations
and
and
then
the
other
comment
that
I
have
is
actually
a
question.
One
of
the
presenters
tonight
spoke
about
cash
flow
issues
with
regards
to
supporting
this
program.
C
N
Thank
you
and
through
you
thank
you
for
that
question,
and,
and
thanks
to
the
delegation
for
for
raising
that
issue
as
well.
We
have
cash
flowed
dollars
in
the
starting
point
of
the
project
and
in
the
first
few
months,
had
to
really
understand
kind
of
what
the
cost
the
monthly
cost
would
be,
because
it
was
a
new
project.
R
P
I
just
wanted
to
point
one
thing
out
from
this
report
to
the
public,
but
also
housing
advocates
that
that
367
gore
street
has
been
identified
as
a
property
that
could
accommodate
a
permanent,
larger
house.
Affordable
housing,
development
and
that's
land
is
always
an
issue,
and
this
priced
land
is
reasonable
for
that
sort
of
development.
A
Yep,
thank
you
so
that
is
clause
2,
subsection
1..
So
if
there
are
no
other
separations,
what
we
will
first
do
is
vote
on
everything
else
in
the
report
and
then
we
will
come
back
to
that
item.
Okay,
so
first
the
report
heritage,
kingston
everything
except
for
clause,
2,
subsection
1,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried
so
now-
clause,
2,
subsection,
1
application
for
ontario
heritage
act,
approval,
73,
all
wington
avenue,
councillor
straub,.
F
Okay,
so
bear
with
me
it
get
it's
a
little
complicated
when
we
get
into
heritage,
but
it's
important
that
you
understand
the
framework
that's
being
discussed
here.
The
current
members
of
the
heritage
committee
are
aware
of
this,
but
there's
two
main
sections
of
the
heritage
act
right,
part
four
and
part
five
part:
five
is
all
the
heritage
districts
such
as
old
sydnum,
market
square,
berryfield
right
and
those
are
non-statutory
consultations
with
the
heritage
committee.
F
Since
the
part
five
language
was
introduced
over
a
decade
ago
and
therefore
the
heritage
committee's
advice
on
the
part.
Five
applications
is
advisory,
and-
and
that's
it
right
part
four
is
a
lot
clearer.
Part
four
is
the
the
heritage
act
as
it
always
has
been,
and
there
are
heritage
rules
in
the
heritage
act
that
they
say
you
you
must
do.
F
This
must
do
that
right,
indicate
in
the
case
of
this
application,
we're
talking
about
an
infill
development
that
would
completely
obscure
the
heritage
element,
which
is
the
coach
house,
so
that
the
coach
house
would
no
longer
be
visible
to
the
community
at
all.
It
would
be
behind
the
new
build
and
that
is
a
big
no-no
in
the
in
the
heritage
act.
It
it.
There's
multiple
references
in
the
heritage
act
that
say
that
you
must
not
obscure
the
view
and
so
on.
The
alterations
must
not
block
this
particular.
F
F
If
anyone
from
council
who
sits
on
heritage
would
like
to
add
any
more
detail,
I
would
appreciate
it,
but
I
would
recommend
that
we
back
up
the
unanimous
vote
of
the
heritage
committee
and
vote
in
the
affirmative
right
the
affirmative
to
to
deny
the
application,
because
it
contributes
the
heritage
act.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you
and
I
do
respect
the
counselor
for
the
area
in
this
so
but
I
will,
I
probably
will
have
a
contrasting
view.
I
guess
the
question
I
have
is
how,
if
it's
contrary
to
the
heritage
act,
how
come
it
came
as
a
full
support
of
heritage
planning.
To
me,
this
looks
like
a
very
creative
development
and
something
we
should
be
supportive
of
in
in
this
type
of
development.
U
A
V
I
would
just
like
to
share
a
couple
of
points
on
that
regard,
so
this
is
an
area
of
the
city
that
has
been
identified
to
the
official
plan
to
be
a
stable
residential
neighborhood
with
opportunities
for
gentle
intensification,
and
that
was
supported
as
well
through
the
central
kingston
growth
strategy.
As
a
secondary
planning
exercise,
the
2010
severance
of
the
property
to
separate
the
coach
house
from
the
main
house
was
done
to
intend
and
anticipate
the
infill
that
we
see
before
us
tonight.
V
The
designation
in
this
case
identifies
the
coach
house
as
being
secondary
to
the
main
residential
suite
at
77
owlington,
and
it
also
identifies
that
the
coach
house
has
a
secondary
relationship
in
the
landscape
in
a
landscape
plot
with
some
local
contextual
value,
the
local
contextual
value
is
impacted
by
a
mix
of
styles.
There's
a
lot
of
difference
in
the
heritage
attributes
of
the
properties
along
this
street
they're,
not
from
one
homogenous
period
or
architectural
development
sequence.
V
That's
an
important
reason
why
it
is
not
a
heritage
conservation
district
with
design
guidance
provided
in
the
district
plan,
because
there
is
no
district
plan
because
there
is
no
cohesive
design
guidance.
So
all
of
that
being
said,
staff
then
assess
this
property
against
the
standards
and
guidelines
provided
by
parks.
Canada
parks,
canada's
standards
and
guidelines
are
not
adopted
by
council,
but
we
use
them
in
the
absence
of
prevailing
information
through
an
hcp
plan,
etc.
V
In
this
case,
we
find
the
edition
to
be
legible.
I
would
say
that
the
counselor
is
correct,
that
the
addition
will
add
to
the
property
and
it
does
include
one
one
facet
of
the
property,
but
there
actually
is
a
frontage
that
is
still
visible
with
the
original
coach
house.
It
does
remain
subservient
or
secondary
to
the
main
house.
It's
legible
as
a
couch
house,
the
setback
from
the
street
edge
is
actually
to
us
not
as
compromised
as
one
might.
V
V
D
D
Oh,
you
were
there.
Okay,
sorry,
sorry,
bridget,
so
that
helps
me
to
hear
you
say
that,
and
certainly
I
also
have
a
you
know,
a
professional
view
on
it,
and
I
think
that
this
is
a
this
is.
This
is
an
acceptable
project
to
me
this
I
I
wish
I
had
been
there
to
listen
and
I
do
respect
the
committee
as
well,
but
I
would
have
certainly
supported
this
project.
I
think
contrast
is
really
important.
D
D
M
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
it's
always
difficult,
but
we
have
heritage
applications
that
come
from
the
committee,
come
to
council
with
the
with
heritage,
turning
it
down
and
and
having
a
discussion.
It's
hard
for
us
even
on
the
committee,
when
there's
such
a
time
lag
between
meetings
and
for
us
to
remember
what
the
discussions
were,
and
it's
even
harder
than
for
for
current
counselors
around
the
horseshoe
to
to
weigh
in
on
this
decision.
V
Thank
you
and
for
you
I
will
do
my
best
to
summarize
what
we
understood.
The
concerns
from
heritage
committee
were
voted
through
the
submissions
that
were
provided
over
dash,
as
well
as
the
discussion
in
council
or
sorry
in
the
committee
meeting.
I
I
don't
want
to
suggest
that
I'm
going
to
do
this
perfectly,
but
I
will
do
my
very
best
to
summarize
what
we
had
understood.
Those
concerns
to
be
the
first
main
concern
that
was
raised
by
heritage.
Kingston
members
was
the
conversation
around
setback
with
a
usual
heritage
application.
V
We
would
see
one
dwelling
and
if
there
was
a
proposal
to
add
something
to
that
dwelling,
one
of
our
pretty
standard
requests
would
be
that
that
addition
be
set
back
from
the
frontage
or
the
front
facade
of
that
heritage.
Building,
in
this
case,
it's
a
little
more
complicated.
The
addition
is
actually
forward
of
the
building,
but
the
building
is
set
back
as
the
coach
house
of
the
primary
dwelling,
and
so
one
of
the
concerns
of
heritage
kingston
was
that
the
addition
is
not
set
back
from
the
coach
house
staff.
V
However,
of
the
opinion
that
the
role
of
the
coach
house,
plus
addition
is
to
remain
secondary
in
appearance
to
the
primary
facade
or
the
primary
building,
which
is
actually
77
always
so
as
a
result,
the
committee's
concern
was
that
the
garage
portion
of
the
addition
should
be
pushed
further
back
into
the
lot.
Staff's
concern
was
again
compounded
here,
because
we
felt
that
the
landscape
features
which
are
actually
in
the
designation
by
law,
would
actually
be
more
greatly
negatively
impacted
by
forcing
the
the
position
back
into
the
lock.
We
also
raised
questions
around
the
setback.
V
Staff
certainly
understand
this
and
are
often
focusing
efforts
to
add
additions
on
facades,
where
we
have
the
least
impact
in
the
dynamics
of
this
lot.
It's
a
very
narrow
lot,
as
you
would
have
seen
in
the
presentation
earlier
and,
as
a
result,
there's
a
very
limited
number
of
ways
that
you
can
make
an
addition.
V
We
find
the
proposal
to
add
the
addition
where
it
is
being
proposed
to
the
side
of
the
building
acceptable.
It
does
cover
one
facade
of
the
structure.
It
was
mentioned
earlier
that
the
attributes
on
that
facade
will
be
maintained
in
the
interior
and
the
front
of
the
building
does
remain
legible
from
the
street
edge.
So
you
can
still
see
the
coach
house
features
from
the
street
edge.
V
The
final-
and
I
would
argue
some
of
the
largest
comment
and
feedback
from
committee
was
around
the
proposed
architectural
style.
The
committee's
members
seemed
to
not
like
the
style
that
was
being
presented,
the
approach
of
contrast,
as
opposed
to
blend
and
both
are
supported
through
various
sections
of
the
guidelines
of
through
parks,
canada.
V
O
Thank
you
very
much.
I
I
sat
for
a
brief
time
on
the
heritage
committee.
I
know
councillor
stroud
has
sat
on
that
committee
much
longer
than
me,
but
I'm
always
kind
of
have
to
take
a
pause
when
there's
a
motion
from
any
committee,
that's
unanimous
coming
forward.
We
appoint
people
to
committees
because
they
have
particular
expertise
and
that's
very,
very
much
the
case
with
the
heritage
committee
and
for
a
motion
to
come
forward.
O
I
I
need
to
see
some
very
compelling
reasons
why
we
shouldn't
support
that
committee's
recommendation,
and,
frankly
I
don't
see
such
any
such
compelling
reason
why
we
should
ignore
the
recommendation
of
a
very
expert
committee.
That's
making
that
recommendation
unanimously
to
counsel,
and
for
that
reason
I
will
be
supporting
the
committee
on
this
particular
file.
Thank
you.
W
Thank
you,
your
worship.
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
that
it
was
voted
unanimously
down
by
heritage
committee
and
we
know
that
councillor
osterhoff
was
not
there,
but
councillor
doherty
was
there
and
it
was.
You
voted
down.
Councillor
doherty
the
recommendation.
Everyone
at
the
committee
that
night
voted
it
down
yeah
to
echo
councillor
neal's
concerns.
You
know
I
feel
like.
W
If
we're
going
to
then
not
follow
heritage
committees,
then
what's
the
purpose
of
having
the
heritage
committee,
since
they
voted
unanimously
against
this,
and
I
know
that
the
heritage
committee
members
put
hours
of
preparation
into
it.
They
go
to
every
site
ahead
of
time.
They
have
subcommittees,
they
put
hours
into
their
committees
and
they
would
get
into
the
details
and
we're
just
at
the
high
level
surface
when
it
comes
to
council
and
I'm
very
leery
about
you
know
not
taking
the
lead
from
heritage
committee
with
this
one.
Thank
you.
A
I'm
gonna
offer
a
different
perspective,
so
this
is
not.
This
is
about
weighing
the
expertise
of
the
committee
members
against
the
expertise
of
our
own
heritage
staff,
so
to
be
clear,
there's
expert
opinion
on
both
sides.
It's
not
as
simple
as
saying
the
experts
are
saying
one
thing
and
the
expert
is
saying
another:
that's
not
true
at
all
we're
weighing
out
some
nuances
about
how
do
we
accommodate
infill
development
in
an
area
with
heritage
homes
which
kingston
is
blessed
with,
and
we
want
to
encourage
this
kind
of
intensification.
A
So
I
would
suggest
that
our
job,
even
if
a
committee
was
to
vote
in
a
certain
way,
we
are
absolutely
have
the
prerogative
to
have
a
second
look
at
that.
So
I
actually
think
that,
given
all
the
evidence
and
all
the
explanations
from
staff,
I
can
see
why
that
approval
from
staff
came
forward
and
I'm
happy
to
support
it,
and
that
is
not
a
knock
against
our
heritage.
Kingston
committee,
not
at
all,
we
think
they
do
tremendous
work,
but
it's
also.
A
S
D
S
Chair
steals
like
three
out
of
the
four
of
my
points,
so
I
I
completely
agree
with
with
what
he
said
and
I
think
that
what
what
we're
looking
at
here
is
I've
seen
the
application
I've
looked
at
it,
I'm
not
going
to
pretend
that
I'm
a
heritage
expert
by
any
means
there's
going
to
be
something
coming
up
from
my
district
in
the
september
meeting,
which
I
believe
is
about
competing
priorities
and
it's
not
an
easy
file,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
heritage
homes.
Heritage
homes
are
very
expensive.
S
We
want
to
maintain
them.
Other
cities
have
done
it
as
well
where
to
maintain
them.
You
need
somebody,
that's
willing
to
live
in
them
to
live
in
them.
You
often
have
to
modernize
them,
and
that
requires
the
blending
of
the
old
with
the
new
and
in
looking
at
this,
take,
for
instance,
a
direction
of
don't
make
the
new
thing.
Look
like
the
old
thing
or
we
won't
approve
it,
and
then
the
flip
side
of
that
is
you
made
the
new
thing,
look
too
different
from
the
old
thing,
so
we
won't
approve
it.
S
Where
do
you
operate?
Where
is
that
gray
area?
It's
it's
it's
almost
impossible
and
to
the
mayor's
point.
We
do
approve
most
of
these,
but
I
think
it's
almost
impossible
to
please
everybody
with
these
applications
and
you
will
always
have
differing
opinions
on
them.
What
I
look
at
here
is
an
opportunity
to
contrast.
The
old
with
the
new
it
is
tasteful
money
has
been
spent.
This
is
by
no
means
a
cheap
development.
S
This
is
somebody
that
is
going
to
take
a
heritage,
property
and
blend
it
with
a
modern
home
which
is
going
to
help
maintain
the
heritage
for
years
to
come.
I
think
there's
a
danger
in
saying
no
to
applications
that
think
outside
the
box,
because
what
will
happen
is
we?
Will
people
will
lose
interest
in
buying
heritage
properties?
They
will
lose
interest
in
maintaining
them,
they
are
worth
maintaining,
but
they
are
also
expensive
they're
hard
to
maintain
you
have
to
find
certain
contractors,
you
have
different
rules,
it's
not!
S
S
So
when
it
comes
to
something
like
this
in
an
application
like
this,
that
needs
to
be
taken
into
consideration
as
well.
This
is
somebody
a
couple
I
believe
that
is
going
to
spend
far
more
money,
maintaining
a
heritage
property
and
bringing
it
up
to
today's
standards
so
that
it
can
be
enjoyed
by
future
generations.
S
So
I
have
to
weigh
that
and
recognize
that
our
own
staff
heritage
experts
have
said
that,
yes,
this
is
workable
hearing
some
of
the
concerns.
I
agree
that
those
are
concerns,
setbacks
one
what's
it
gonna
block
what?
But
some
of
those
concerns
come
down
to
just
differences
of
opinions
and
we're
all
allowed
to
have
different
opinions
or
differences
of
opinions,
but
is
that
alone
enough
to
say
no
to
this
development
and
in
my
mind,
it's
not
and
in
my
mind
it
sends
the
signal
that
don't
try
to
do
anything
outside
the
box.
S
Don't
try
to
be
creative,
just
leave
that
property,
as
is
don't
touch
it,
in
which
case
maybe
they
just
decide
to
not
upkeep
it
anymore.
Maybe
it's
not
worth,
or
maybe
they
can't
afford,
or
maybe
they're
not
going
to
live
there
now
and
they
just
sell
it
and
the
next
person
just
lets
it
fall
apart.
So
part
of
keeping
heritage
is
being
open
to
the
fact
that
we
have
to
blend
the
old
with
the
new.
It's
got
to
be
functional
right
now,
people
are
feeling
all
the
effects
of
two
years
of
the
pandemic.
S
Money
is
probably
tighter
for
the
average.
I
know
it's
it's
I
know
personally
and
I'm
sure
other
people
are
feeling
this
too.
Inflation
is
rampant.
Construction
materials
have
more
than
doubled
in
cost,
and
you've
got
somebody
willing
to
put
this
level
of
effort
into
maintaining
a
heritage
property
and
go
through
the
process
to
try
to
make
it
work.
S
I
think
that's
something
that
that
we
should
be
rewarding,
not
punishing,
so
I'm
going
to
be
supporting
it
on
those
premises,
and
I
hope
that
what
it
does
is
encourage
these
people
to
take
on
heritage
properties
and
to
think
a
little
bit
outside
the
box
so
that
we
can
have
these
100
and
200
years
from
now.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
mayor
patterson,
for
you.
I
have
a
few
planning
related
questions
that
I
think
are
pertinent
to
the
the
weighing
out
of
the
heritage
value
and
I'm
wondering
does
the
addition
increase
the
density.
In
other
words,
would
there
be
a
secondary
suite
in
what's
proposed,
or
is
it
just
an
extension
of
the
the
current
house,
more
square
footage
for
the
current
occupants.
V
E
A
V
Thank
you
and
through
you,
if
I'm
understanding,
counselor
the
question,
the
carriage
house
was
severed
from
the
property
at
77
ellington
in
2010,
so
it
is
a
separate
residential
unit
right
now.
This
addition
will
expand
the
the
size
of
that
carriage
house.
Obviously,
a
carriage
house
is
quite
small
to
begin
with,
and
that's
where
I'm
I'm,
I
understand
the
expansion
is
to
accommodate
family,
but
I
am
not
clear
if
that
is
going
to
to
come
with
a
separate
presidential
unit
within
that
expanded
carriage
house.
E
Fair
enough
and
then
finally,
I'm
just
wondering
in
terms
of
appeals
and
what
that
would
look
like
if
it
is
turned
down
what
recourse
do.
Residents
have,
because
we
heard
from
the
proponent
earlier
this
evening
that
they're
interested
in
this
in
their
own
words,
to
make
it
a
dream
home
so
clearly
they're
going
to
pursue
it.
So
what
does
it
look
like
in
terms
of
their
ability
to
seek
further
recourse
if
it
doesn't
go
through
at
this
time?.
V
Thank
you
and
for
you
that's
an
excellent
question.
So
the
property
owner
does
have
the
right
of
appeal
and
they
can
appeal
to
the
tribunal
and
if
it
were
to
go
to
tribunal.
You
know
it
would
be
on
record
that
staff
assess
the
property
and
the
proposed
addition
and
from
a
professional
planning
position
came
out
in
support
of
the
application
and
then
obviously
the
input
from
heritage
kingston
and
the
clinic
council,
if
one
was
forthcoming,
would
be
considered
as
part
of
that
process
as
well.
E
All
right,
thank
you
and,
in
short,
I'm
quite
torn
if
it
was
an
addition
for
a
secondary
suite.
For
me,
it
would
be
without
question
to
see
it
happen,
but
I
think
that
I'm
with
councillor
boehm
on
this,
that
there
is
value
in
encouraging
folks
to
continue
to
upkeep
heritage
homes,
and
if
that
includes,
in
addition,
that
is,
in
contrast,
that
becomes
a
matter
of
interpretation
of
which
we
have
two
to
choose
from,
and
I'm
happy
to
side
with
well
pretty
much
everything
that
counselor
bohm
said.
Thank
you.
X
Thank
you,
worship,
so
I've
gone
back
and
forth
changed
my
mind
four
times
now
and-
and
I
think
the
arguments
that
are
being
made
are
very
good
ones,
but
so
we're
sort
of
weighing
a
couple
of
things
right,
we're
weighing
the
the
principle
that
we're
we've
acted
on
many
times
here
around
intensification
and
the
the
principle
that's
been
in
place.
A
long
time
is
that
is
protecting
our
heritage
assets,
but
I
don't
think
they
have
to
be
exclusive
because
we're
also
looking
at
we
don't
want
to
keep
museum
pieces.
X
We
want
this
to
be
a
living,
thriving,
developing
growing
community,
even
though
it
it's
it's
a
heritage
community.
So
I
really
respect
the
efforts
of
the
committee
to
protect
our
heritage.
That's
I
think
what
their
their
goal
is,
and
certainly
I
understand
the
recommendation
from
that
perspective,
but
I
think
that
this
is
an
opportunity
where
we
can.
We
can
demonstrate
to
the
wider
community
that
we
can
protect
heritage
properties
and
still
grow
a
community
and
and
still
develop
valuable,
create
some
change
within
that
community.
X
That's
that
supports
families
and
supports
the
growth
of
the
community
in
general.
So
I
I
think
that
this
is.
This
is
a
good
example
of
it.
It's
a
very
carefully
considered
one.
I
think
we'll
always
have
to
really
weigh
on
balance
what
this
will
look
like,
but
think
about
these
some
of
these
heritage
properties
over
the
years
before
they
were
designated
as
heritage
properties.
I
suspect
they
went
through
lots
of
changes
themselves.
X
This
is
just
that
kind
of
a
change
in
in
a
modern
day
kind
of
setting.
So
I
I
I
agree
with
with
the
with
the
addition.
I
I
think
it
it.
It
is
in
keeping
with
the
community
and
and
also
in
keeping
with
our
goals
around
intensification.
So
based
almost
entirely
on
what
counselor
boehm
said,
I'm
going
to
support
it.
P
I
just
want
to
say
that
back
in
the
70s,
when
limestone
buildings
were
being
flattened
everywhere
and
when
mrs
angus
took
up
the
the
cause
of
preserving
our
architectural
heritage
and
wasn't
popular
with
everybody,
but
it
became
popular
and
we
became
one
of
the
first,
if
not
the
first
city,
to
have
a
an
act
that
protected
those
buildings
and
along
the
way,
a
number
of
activists,
because
that's
what
they
were,
then
they
were.
They
had
to
build
themselves
up
into
a
social
force.
P
They
were
very
interested
in
preserving
the
building,
the
the
architecture
and
the
houses
and
the
areas
that
we
had
still
left,
because
there
have
been
plenty
of
demolition
and
changes
made
at
the
time.
So,
of
course,
they
thought
that
maintaining
the
authenticity
of
that
architecture
and
those
streetscapes
was
of
extreme
importance.
P
The
now
along
came
another
view
that
you
could
put
you
know
contrasting
more
modern
touches
or
even
additions
or
other
buildings
on.
It
is
part
of
it.
Now
I
can't
help
but
think
that
has
something
to
do
with
the
the
building
of
the
large
buildings
and
downtowns,
like
you
see
integrated
with
some
financial
buildings,
heritage,
financial
buildings
in
say,
toronto.
P
You
learn
is
what
the
church
will
say.
You
build
your
buildings
and
then
they
form
you
right
or
where's.
That
effect,
so
there
are
lots
of
places
for
modern
touches.
You
can
go
all
over
the
place,
but
not
in
the
heritage
districts
in
particular
or
in
certain
areas,
other
areas
across
the
city
actually
in
certain
buildings
and
so
on.
P
So
I
find
this
revisionism
or
slippage.
I
found
it
disturbing
for
a
number
of
years
at
least
the
last
decade,
and
you
know
when
you
buy
a
heritage,
building
you're
taking
on
the
responsibility
of
maintaining
it
and
looking
after
it.
I
don't
see
any
sign
that
anybody's
stopping
building
without
buying
them.
A
Okay,
so
we'll
we'll
take
the
vote
so
just
to
clarify
that
this
is
a
straight
vote
on
this.
So
if
you
want
to
approve
the
heritage
application,
you
vote.
Yes,
if
you
don't
want
to
approve
it,
you
vote
no,
it
is
under
the
heading
of
something
that
was
not
approved
by
heritage
kingston.
But
the
way
it's
read,
it's
it's
a
it's
a
positive
vote,
so
you
don't
need
to
reverse
depending
on
what
you
want
to
do.
Does
everyone
is
everyone
clear
on
that?
F
Y
Through
mr
chair,
it's
just
a
procedural
matter.
The
way
we
deal
with
the
applications
coming
out
of
the
heritage
committee,
the
other
ones
are
dealing
with
it
from
a
procedural
perspective.
So
you
will
see
the
odd
yes
means.
No,
no
means.
Yes,
the
way
this
one
is
presented,
the
staff
recommendation
is
presented
in
front
of
you.
So
if
you
want
to
support
staff
people,
yes,
if
you
don't
want
to
support
staff,
you
vote
no.
A
A
Okay,
we
have
no
information
reports
from
members
of
council
miscellaneous
business.
We
have
several
motions
number
one
moved
by
councillor,
osterhoff
seconded
by
cancer
of
sanic,
that
is
requested
by
samantha
mason
arthritis
society,
council
proclaimed
september
2022
as
arthritis
awareness
month
in
kingston
number,
two
moved
by
councilors
seconded
by
councillor
senec
that
the
resignation
of
francesca
crete
from
the
housing
and
homelessness
advisory
committee
be
received.
With
regret,
number
three
moved
by
councillor
rose
draft
seconded
by
cancerosenic,
that
is
requested
by
maya,
sharma,
canadian
lung
cancer
screening
initiative.
A
A
A
Y
Y
P
P
From
anecdotally
and
from
lawyers
and
a
legal
clinic
and
to
staff
have
the
table
that
I
sent
to
them
just
so
you'll
see
what's
going
on
here.
This
is
referenced
in
the
this
is
from
the
kingston
legal
clinic,
and
if
you
look
at
this,
you'll
see
n12s
and
n13s
and
the
totals
up
there
from
2018
through
to
2022
june
15th.
P
P
I
think
next
year,
so
I
just
I
think
this
is
graphic
enough,
and
so
what
the
problem
here
is
that
nobody
really
has
a
handle
on
this
they've
got
lots
of
evidence,
but
they
don't
have
a
comprehensive
band
lineup,
because
the
information
is
not
available
from
my
work
tender
board.
That's
probably
got
to
do
the
way
they
collect
their
information
and
how
they
supply
it
to
the
public,
and
so
this
motion
asks
the
province.
P
O
O
And
I
I
say
if
the
price
of
doing
business
for
those
landlords
is,
it
should
cost
the
money.
It
shouldn't.
Be
a
lie
that
family
are
about
to
move
in
or
other
other
ways
or
that
they're
going
to
do
renovations
that
never
quite
happen,
and
so
this
motion
asks
the
government
to
consider
finding
a
better
way
to
address
these
issues.
And
so
I
thank
the
mover
and
seconder
and
I'll
be
supporting
it.
A
Despite
this
commitment
under
the
current
provincial
government,
the
funding
increase
never
became
reality,
whereas
in
its
2021
budget,
the
province
of
ontario
allocated
resources
to
underserved
communities
to
improve
victim
and
new
sexual
assault
services.
However,
none
of
the
funding
was
directed
to
ontario's
existing
sexual
assault,
centers
such
as
such
as
sexual
assault
center
kingston,
whereas
ongoing
underfunding
of
sexual
assault
center
kingston
has
reduced
the
number
of
resources
available
to
provide
these
services
due
to
highly
specialized
skill
requirements
that
are
unmatched
by
low
wages
and
benefits
relative
to
the
other.
A
Whereas
a
similar
resolution
was
recently
been
passed
by
the
waterloo
region
municipality
in
june
2022
and
the
town
of
bracebridge
december
2021
therefore
be
a
resolve
that
increased
in
sustainable
provincial
funding
for
the
sexual
assault,
center,
kingston
and
other
community-based
sexual
assault
center
organizations
be
supported
for
priority
consideration
by
the
provincial
government
and
its
agencies,
and
that
a
copy
of
this
resolution
be
sent
to
the
honorable
mayor,
lee
fullerton,
minister
of
children,
community
and
social
services
and
the
honorable
ted
shu
mpp
for
kingston
and
the
islands
cancer.
Holland.
You
have
the
floor.
J
Okay,
so
I'm
just-
and
I
should
just
confirm
with
the
clerk
first
of
all.
So
is
this
the
amended
version?
Perfect,
okay,
excellent.
So
the
the
delegation
this
evening
provided
some
really
important
historical
context.
I
think
just
a
few,
a
few
things
to
point
out
in
terms
of
the
services
that
are
provided.
First
of
all,
as
was
mentioned,
individuals
who
access
service
at
the
sexual
assault
center
in
kingston
are
not.
These
are
ongoing
occurrences,
unfortunately,
tragically
in
our
community,
as
as
in
every
other
community.
J
Other
forms
of
mental
health
supports
in
the
community,
so
it's
very
clear
that
the
ontario
government
has
a
number
of
very
important
priorities
ahead
of
it,
and
I
know
that
this
is
is
one
part,
one
part
of
that
bigger
picture,
but
nevertheless
a
really
important
one.
I
think
for
for
the
city
of
kingston
for
residents
here,
because,
as
I
mentioned,
some
of
the
people
who
rely
on
these
services
are,
if
they
don't
have
access
to
services
like
this.
They
may.
J
We
may
very
well
be
having
to
find
having
to
support
them
in
other
ways,
whether
it's
through
acute
services
like
our
housing
services,
whether
it's
through
our
hospital
emergency
rooms,
and
so
so.
I
think
it's
really
important,
even
in
the
context
of
all
the
other
priorities,
and
perhaps
more
so
because
of
the
very
difficult
circumstances
that
people
are
finding
themselves
in
now,
post-pandemic
and
also
with
inflation,
and
some
of
the
some
of
the
risks
were.
J
I
think,
as
was
mentioned
by
the
delegation,
some
of
the
circumstances
that
can
lead
to
sexual
or
intimate
partner,
violence
include
things
like
job
loss
and
financial
insecurity.
So
again,
just
being
very
proactive.
I
think
you
know
the
sexual
assault
center
kingston
part
of
what
they
do
is
advocate
and
so
they're
doing
their
job.
J
They
they
by
bringing
this
to
our
attention
at
that
and
bringing
it
to
the
attentions
of
municipalities
across
the
province
that
this
is
an
area
that
we
need
to
really
get
together
and
and
be
supportive
on
for
the
for
the
benefit
of
their
of
the
the
people,
the
community
that
they
serve.
I
think
just
one
last
thing
to
mention:
you
know
that
the
the
resolution
seeks
ongoing
funding
or
the
or
the
the
ask
of
the
provincial
government
is
for
that.
J
Ongoing
funding,
and,
unfortunately,
part
of
what
has
been
very
challenging
is
that
sexual
assault
center
kingston
has
had
to
deal
with
project-based
funding
and
anyone
who
knows
anything
about
organizations
like
that
knows
that
they
spend
most
of
their
time,
therefore,
having
to
constantly
write
grants
and
not
invest
that
time
into
supporting
providing
those
supportive
services.
Also,
their
staffing
costs
are
significant,
that's
a
big
part
of
what
they
do
providing
counseling
and
they
have
to
make
sure
that
those
staff
are
very
well
trained.
J
So
again,
all
the
reasons
why
this
ongoing
support
is
such
an
important
thing.
I
think
in
such
a
such
a
the
support
of
the
city
of
kingston,
and
hopefully
others
will
hopefully
make
allow
for
more
progress
on
the
community
supports
and
just
to
distinguish
that
again,
as
the
delegation
did.
That
means
the
kinds
of
counseling
supports
in
the
community
as
opposed
to
victim
services,
which
unfortunately,
only
cover
less
than
one
percent
of
people
who.
O
Thank
you
very
much
again.
I
want
to
thank
the
mover
and
seconder
this.
This
is
an
excellent
motion.
I'm
just
curious,
would
it
be
a
friendly
amendment
if
we
added
amo
and
municipalities
of
over
50
000,
I
see
one
nod,
I'm
looking
for
a
second
nod
there.
It
would
be
friendly
good
if
we
could
add
that
I
think
that
that
will
reach
out.
We
heard
from
the
presentation
that
this
is
an
issue
across
the
province
and
this
would
communicate
this
beyond
just
the
names
here.
O
A
A
Therefore
be
a
result.
The
city
council
requests
the
province
to
tie
rent
control
rules
to
residential
units
rather
than
to
the
tenants
who
inhabit
them
in
order
to
protect
existing,
affordable
housing
and
preserve,
affordable
and
mid-range
rental
housing
supply
and
that,
as
a
per
a
recent
city
of
toronto
housing
report,
the
council
requests
that
the
province
create
a
centralized
data
system
to
collect
the
information
on
all
rental
units
across
ontario,
such
as
rents,
ownership,
beneficial
ownership
and
n12
and
n13
issuance.
P
P
So
if
they
managed
to
get
it
done
before,
this
council
is
done,
most
probably
should
be
happy
and
the
other
part
of
it
is.
Oh,
we
weren't
sure
this
staff
were
not
sure
about
the
who
was
the
interim
leader
of
the
liberals,
so
they
dropped
both
of
the
interim
leaders,
and
so
I
had
to
stick
it
back
in
when
I
found
out
that
john
fraser
was
the
leader
of
rebels,
so
I
heard
that
on
the
radio
today,
so
I
feel
fairly
confident
about
that.
P
So
with
those
changes
I
will
address
the
central
notion,
and
that
is
the
first
thing
is
again.
This
result
is
a
result
of
the
housing
crisis
and
the
housing
market,
which
is
pushing
rents
up
like
crazy
and
house.
Prices
have
not
really
have
familiarity
somewhat,
but
we
don't
know
yet
where
the
how
far
they're
going
to
go
so
the
first
one
is
the
thai
rank
control
the
residential
units
rather
than
to
the
tenant,
to
inhabit
the
units,
and
why
that's
important?
P
Because
we
talked
about
that
when
we
talked
about
in
12th
grand
13th
and
then
in
part,
but
mainly
it's
just
the
normal.
If
and
when
people
leave
units,
then
the
amount
of
rent
can
be
charged.
It's
only
constrained
by
market
conditions
and
market
conditions
are
a
bit
of
a
mess
at
the
moment,
so
rents
are
growing,
as
I
indicated
earlier
by
incredible
amounts.
P
It
should
be
pointed
out
that
in
the
70s,
when
rent
controls
were
first
brought
in
rents
were
going
up,
40,
45
percent.
I
remember
there
was
one
on
the
in
the
toronto
paper.
It
went
up
70,
so
that's
why
rent
controls
came
in
the
market
is
less
than
perfect
and
I'm
smiling
when
I
look
at
the
gum
the
mirror
there,
but
he
knows
that
so
and
and
it
doesn't
run
the
way
he
would
like
a
goodly
portion
of
the
time.
P
P
Okay,
so
for
the
sake
of
staff,
I
the
name
of
the
city
of
toronto
report,
which
is
important
to
this
motion,
is
the
renovation
policy
creating
a
framework
to
protect,
affordable
and
mid-range
rental
homes
and
deter
renovations
notice
that
this
is
not
entirely
about,
or
even
major,
mainly
about
local,
low-income
tenants.
This
is
about
middle-income
tenants
and
maybe
more
because
the
rents
are
way
out
of
whack
in
toronto
and
there's
a
tendency
reportedly
in
kingston.
P
P
Reaming
me
out
because
he
can't
find
a
place
to
rent
because
he's
on
odsp.
Anyway,
there
are
a
number
of
things
in
that
renovation
policy
and
the
part,
the
last
part
of
this
as
staff
to
write
a
report
about
what
the
municipality
can
do
about
this,
like
booklets,
on
not
allowing
yourself
to
to
prevent.
A
A
Okay,
all
right!
Okay,
thank
you!
Okay!
Is
there
anybody
else
who
wishes
to
speak?
Can
I
ask
a
quick
question
of
staff?
Are
staff
comfortable
with
the
timeline
that's
proposed
in
this
this
motion?
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
that
we're
giving
is
this
enough
time
for
staff
to
be
able
to
write
this
report
and
and
come
back
to
council
with
this
information.
Ms
morley.
A
P
I
don't
won't
take
another
five
minutes,
the
first
of
all
the
staff.
The
options
are
very
well
outlined
in
the
toronto
city
of
toronto
policy.
They
came
forward
that
was
voted
on
and
accepted
by
toronto
city
council.
The
second
thing
is
that
I
have
a
whole
list
of
them:
I'm
not
going
to
name
them,
but
most
of
that
you
need
provincial
input,
because
this
is
largely
a
provincial
matter.