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From YouTube: Kingston Ontario - City Council - May 8, 2019 pt. 2
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City Council meeting from May 8, 2019 pt. 2. For the full meeting agenda visit https://www.cityofkingston.ca/residents/city-calendar-events?p_p_id=8&_8_struts_action=/calendar/view_event&_8_eventId=31296812
A
B
B
The
current
law
is
enough:
it's
enough,
I
did
it's
it,
it
does
the
job.
Our
time
is
better
cent
spent
as
a
council
on
other
issues,
I
believe
in
that
to
the
bill.
Seventy
bill
71
doesn't
make
us
any
safer
and
neither
does
that
this
motion
I
would
be
prepared
if
we're
going
to
lose
this
to
make
a
amendment
that
that
it
will
be
exempt
from
the
rural
areas.
That
would
be
the
least
I
would
like
to
see,
but
I
gotta.
Think
about
that.
You
know
at
least
it's
not.
B
If
it's
an
urban
centric
thing,
then
why
are
we
impacting
rural
communities
so
heavily?
That's
the
big
concern
for
me
again.
I
first
I
was
I
learned
a
lot
in
this,
and
so
the
comments
that
made
it
it's
an
attack
on
our
private
property
and
also
someone
made
in
point
it's
an
attack
on
our
country's
heritage.
That
bothers
me
a
lot
and,
and
so
I
have
spoken
to
police
officers,
who
are
also
sport
gun
food
enthusiasts.
B
They
are
hunters
and
they've
really
really
showed
me
the
passion
that
they
have
for
what
for
for
their
their
hobby
and
so
I
have
a
problem
with
it.
I
have
a
rifle
on
a
club
in
my
district,
and
the
resounding
answers
are
there
is
ending
cleave
from
them.
Is
that
we
say
no
to
this
and
so
I'm
asking
my
fellow
councilors
to
think
about
this
to
to
to
consider
if
they
came
in
here
saying
it's
obvious
that
we
should
support
this.
B
It's
not
obvious
I'm
asking
you
to
reconsider
it
because
for
the
messages
that
we've
heard
tonight
and
I
know
that
it
could,
it
could
be
closed,
but
I
I
think
that
there's
enough
here
to
say
that
you
know,
let's
just
not
continue
with
it,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
too
late
anyways,
but
it's
it's
out
of
context
for
me,
it's
misguided
and
it's
not
going
to
have
an
impact
and
I'm
asking
everyone
to
those
that
the
would
support
it
to
change
their
minds
tonight.
For
for,
for
the
reasons
we've
been
given.
C
C
Continue
to
put
our
kids
through
this
trauma
is
unacceptable.
Having
our
citizens
at
risk
from
gun
violence
when
they
sit
in
a
restaurant
or
take
a
walk
on
a
summer's
evening
is
unacceptable
being
at
risk
of
gun
violence.
When
sitting
in
a
house
of
prayer
in
a
classroom
attending
a
concert
attending
a
parade
or
even
picking
up
a
coffee,
local
outlet
is
unacceptable.
I
hear
the
concerns
of
legitimate
and
responsible
citizens
who
make
up
the
vast
majority
of
gun
owners
in
Canada
and
I
am
sorry
that
this
may
impact
on
their
hobby.
C
However,
their
interest
in
a
hobby
simply
does
not
come
close
to
our
interest
as
politicians
in
protecting
public
safety.
This
is
especially
true
considering
the
carnage
that
happens
on
our
streets
in
ever-increasing
frequency,
our
police
chiefs,
doctors
first
responders,
family
advocates,
health
units,
mental
health
advocates
and
educators
all
support
a
ban
on
assault
weapons
and
handguns,
because
they
see
firsthand
the
tragic
outcomes
of
guns
in
the
wrong
hands
in
the
hands
of
angry
young
men
in
the
hands
of
children,
violent
spouses
and
emotionally
desperate
people,
and
yes,
of
course,
also
in
the
hands
of
criminals.
C
According
to
Natasha
Saunders
at
the
Hospital
for
Sick
Kids
in
Toronto,
who
conducted
a
study
on
this
almost
every
day
in
Ontario
alone,
someone
under
the
age
of
25
is
shot
on
average
355
young
people
every
year
in
this
province
in
2005,
after
a
series
of
incidents,
Ontario
moved
to
ban
pit
bulls
because
they
were
deemed
to
pose
a
threat
mainly
to
our
children.
Clearly,
this
impacted
many
dog
owners,
most
of
whom
are
very
likely
responsible
pet
owners.
However,
the
decision
was
made
because
of
a
pressing
public
safety
issue.
C
There
are
so
many
weapons,
both
legal
and
illegal
in
Canada,
that
this
problem
will
continue
well
into
the
future,
but
I
hope
that
someday
we'll
be
able
to
bring
an
end
to
the
days
where
the
most
memorable
and
searing
image
a
child
has
of
a
lesson
at
school
is
how
to
avoid
being
shot.
That
day
will
only
come
to
pass
by
taking
the
first
step,
and
this
is
only
and
barely
a
first
step.
I
hope
the
counselors
will
support
this
motion.
C
D
Thank
You,
mayor
Paterson
and
through
you
I,
want
to
thank
everyone
who
wrote
me
and
our
council
colleagues
about
gun
control.
Thank
you
to
those
who
presented
here,
particularly
thank
you
to
my
residence
in
my
district
for
sharing
your
perspective.
This
is
an
issue
that
we
discussed
out
the
door
during
the
election
and
now
over
email,
I
appreciate
your
engagement
care
and
consideration.
It's
a
debate
that
we
feel
in
our
gut.
D
Some
of
the
people
I
heard
from
like
tonight
were
opposed
to
the
motion
before
us.
They
believe
that
handguns
and
semi
automatics
should
be
allowed,
but
controlled.
They
raise
compelling
reasons
for
this
I.
Listen.
Their
examples
gave
me
pause
more
than
that
I
agreed
and
agree
with
much
of
what
I
heard.
I
agree,
for
instance,
that
current
law-abiding
citizens
are
not
the
problem.
D
D
I
found
it
incredibly
encouraging
that
our
conversations
pointed
to
the
need
for
prevention
and
action
in
these
respects,
like
my
constituents
I
believe
we
need
to
lessen
deaths
related
to
vehicles
opioids
and
more
indeed,
there
is
a
sense
from
those
who
wrote
me
that
we
have
more
to
do
in
promoting
the
life
and
health
of
residents,
but
as
much
as
I
agree
with
their
positions.
I
had
one
fundamental
disagreement.
I
think
we
have
to
do
more
on
gun
control.
D
Why?
Because
I'm,
not
okay,
that
almost
10,000
people
committed
suicide
with
guns
from
2000
to
2016
in
Canada
I'm,
not
okay,
that
hundreds
of
other
Canadians
die
each
year
on
average
from
gun,
violence,
murder,
I'm,
not
okay,
that
almost
half
of
guns
recovered
from
homicides
in
2010
were
registered.
I'm,
not
okay,
that
break-and-enter
to
steal
guns
is
three
times
higher
today
than
it
was
ten
years
ago.
A
country
already
has
many
checks
and
balances
for
gun
owners
and
gun
ownership.
D
I
don't
deny
it,
but
the
numbers
I
shared
above
point
to
a
bigger
problem
that
even
our
current
precautions
and
policies
don't
go
far
enough.
In
other
words,
even
if
you
factored
out
all
non
registered
guns
from
the
equation,
we'd
still
be
talking
about
hundreds
of
life's
Wasp
to
gun
violence.
Yet
it
is
true
guns,
don't
kill
people.
They
do,
however,
make
it
easier
for
people
to
kill
people,
including
themselves.
D
With
that
in
mind,
I
plan
to
vote
in
favor
of
this
motion
to
fail
to
tell
the
federal
government
we
can,
and
we
must
do
more,
not
because
I
think
most
gun
owners
are
bad
people.
There
should
be
no
judgment
like
that.
Really
I
come
from
a
long
line
of
farmers,
my
mom's
heritage,
dairy
farmers
in
Quebec,
my
dad
from
the
rural
areas
north
of
the
city.
There
were
definitely
guns
there.
D
A
That
councillor
Kiley
put
it
well
when
he
said
that
this
is
an
issue
that
you
feel
in
your
gut.
It's
a
very
emotional
issue.
People
have
very
strong
opinions
and
feelings,
one
way
or
the
other
there's
nothing
like
having
a
debate
on
an
intensely
emotional
issue
at
11
o'clock
at
night.
Our
second
5-hour
Plus
meeting
in
two
days,
so
I'm
just
gonna,
take
a
moment
and
try
to
take
some
of
the
emotion
out
of
this.
A
For
a
moment
to
be
clear,
the
motion
that
is
in
front
of
us
is
not
whether
or
not
to
increase,
gun,
control
or
ban
certain
types
of
weapons.
The
motion
is
whether
or
not
Kingston
City
Council
will
send
a
letter
to
Ottawa
advocating
for
changes
to
a
federal
bill
bill.
C,
71
I
would
just
like
to
bring
us
back
to
a
conversation
we
have
had
many
times
around.
This
horseshoe
is
that
the
more
letters
we
send
from
Kingston
City
Council
the
less
impact
they
have.
A
That
is
why
we
need
to
think
carefully
about
what
are
the
issues
that
Kingston's
City
Council
wants
to
have
a
voice
on,
not
whether
the
issue
is
important.
Nobody
is
doubting
that
this
issue
is
important.
There
are
a
whole
lot
of
other
issues
that
are
important,
but
the
question
before
us
is:
is
this
an
issue
the
Kingston
City
Council
needs
to
have
a
particular
voice.
A
In
my
view,
there
are
two
criteria
for
which
Kingston
City
Council
should
write
a
letter
and
make
a
voice
heard
to
the
provincial
or
federal
government
number
one,
an
issue
that
directly
relates
to
the
business
of
municipal
government,
our
funding,
our
issues,
the
things
that
we
deal
with.
That's
why
I
was
absolutely
in
favor
of
the
first
new
motion
that
we
passed
tonight,
because
that
absolutely
checked
that
box.
A
The
second
piece
is
if
there
was
an
issue
where
Kingston
had
a
unique
perspective,
something
very
different,
perhaps
Geographic,
something
that
you
know
Kingston
could
say:
I,
don't
believe
that
this
issue
hits
either
of
those
doesn't
mean
it's
not
important.
It's
very
important
I
think
there
are
great
arguments
that
have
been
discussed
tonight,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
is
this
an
area
where
we
want
to
use
some
of
our
political
capital
in
sending
off
a
letter
to
the
federal
government?
In
my
view,
the
answer
is
no,
we
should
hold
her.
A
I
was
going
to
say
our
ammunition,
but
I'm
gonna
use
a
different
word.
We
should
use
and
we
should
save
that
voice
for
an
issue
where
we
need
to
be
heard,
not
an
issue
where
a
bill
is
already
about
to
be
decided
one
way
or
the
other.
So
I
appreciate
where
both
the
mover
in
the
secondary
are
coming
from.
I
appreciate
all
the
comments
very
sincere,
but
in
my
view
this
is
just
simply
not
the
place
for
us
to
be
able
to
speak
as
Kingston
City
Council,
so
I
will
not
support
this
motion.
A
E
You,
your
worship,
it
won't
take
long
because
actually
I
do
I,
do
I,
have
an
opinion
on
gun
control
yeah
as
a
private
citizen.
I
do
does
gun
control
come
up
as
an
issue
in
Sydenham
district
nope
doesn't
come
up.
We
live
right,
downtown
I,
went
to
all
the
doors
and
said
them
twice
and
it
didn't
come
up
once
I've
had
zero
input
from
my
constituents
on
this
issue.
E
So
my
vote
is
either
my
personal
opinion,
which
I
don't
believe,
is
what
I
was
elected
to
do,
or
it
is
a
guess
of
what
I
think
my
constituents
would
want
me
to
do
on
this.
So
therefore,
I
go
back
to
what
were
we
doing
well,
we're
asking
the
federal
government
to
strengthen
bill
c71
us
Kingston,
City,
Council,
I,.
E
Don't
really
think
it
matters
what
what
we
do
on
this
issue.
I'm.
Sorry,
although
I
agree
with
many
of
the
statements
that
were
made-
and
it
certainly
is
an
emotional
issue-
I-
don't
actually
think
that
this
motion
delivers
on
those
on
those
feelings
and
most
gut
feelings
that
people
are
using
here
and
it
just
unnecessarily
divides
us
along
urban
rural
lines.
For
no
good
reason,
I'm
really
I'm
really
disappointed
that
this
was
actually
brought
forward.
I
really
am
I,
don't
know
how
to
put
the
genie
back
in
the
bottle.
E
You
know,
I
would
suggest
council
Maclaren
and
something
like
this
when
you
get
a
constituent.
This
is
what
I
do
I
mean
Stitch
one
comes
to
me
and
it's
a
federal
issue.
I
have
a
good
chat
with
them.
We
can
share
ideas
and
I
point
them
in
the
direction
where
I
think
they
can
make
the
most
impact.
In
this
case,
you
pick
up
the
phone
and
you
call
mark
Garrett's
ins
office,
he's
a
member
of
parliament
and
you
let
him
know
how
important
this
is
to
you.
That's
what
your
constituent
ought
to
have
done.
E
That's
what
you
ought
to
have
done.
That's
what
all
of
the
counselors
here
that
have
an
opinion
on
this
ought
to
do.
You
ought
to
call
your
Member
of
Parliament
mark
Garretson
and
tell
them
your
thoughts
or
send
him
a
letter.
That's
who
needs
to
know
he
is
the
one
that
represents
us
at
the
federal
scene.
He
is.
This
is
his
job.
He
needs
to
do
his
job
and
we
need
to
tell
him
our
opinions
on
that
score
and
that's
it
sending
directly
to
the
Prime.
Minister
doesn't
accomplish
that
goal.
E
So,
although
I
may
agree
with
many
who
might
be
supporting
this
motion,
many
of
the
arguments
they're
made
were
very
because
no
one,
of
course
wants
to
argue
for
more
gun
violence,
but
I
do
not
agree
with
this
motion
in
this
place.
I
agree
with
counsel
Ostroff,
it's
out
of
context
and
I
will
be
voting
against
Thank.
F
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
this
is
not
only
an
emotional
issue,
a
motion
and
issue,
but
it's
also
very
complex.
It's
complex.
It's
a
it,
creates
a
real
rural
and
urban
divide
that
concerns
me.
There
are
issues
about
the
definitions
of
certain
type
of
guns,
and
there
we
need
some
clarity
around
that.
It
certainly
is
an
issue
of
Public
Safety,
and
we
all
agree
with
that.
F
I
I
would
have
felt
better
making
this
decision
today
if
our
chief
of
police
was
here
and
we
could
have
asked
some
questions
and
how
this
relates
to
our
community
whenever
it's
I've
been
thinking
about
this
obviously
for
days
and
all
all
of
us
have
and
we've
done
a
lot
of
research,
it
is
a
very
heavy,
very
serious
decision
and
I'm
also
concerned
that
we're
making
this
decision
in
a
very
short
timeframe.
Meanwhile,
we
should
really
be
if
we
are
serious
about
something
like
this.
F
The
the
suggestion
earlier
that
one
of
the
speakers
had
that
we
organized
a
committee,
maybe
something
but
I,
don't
to
explore.
But
this
is
a
federal
issue.
They're
going
to
be
voting
on
it
tomorrow,
it's
I
actually
phoned
some
people
in
Ottawa
to
check
on
it
and
I
hear
it's.
It
may
very
well
pass
tomorrow.
So,
for
all
of
these
reasons,
it's
very
unlike
me
to
on
a
personal
level,
I
find
it
very
difficult
to
say
that
I'm
not
voting
for
this,
but
I
will
not
be
for
all
of
the
reasons
I
just
gave
thanks.
F
G
G
This
motion,
of
course,
is
referencing
this
like
federal
bill,
but
I
think
they,
the
the
question
of
whether
or
not
we
should
be
taking
a
position
really
does
relate
to
whether
or
not
we
feel
that
there
are
impacts
that
we
need
to
be
considering,
impacts
on
residents
of
the
city
and
I
think
in
terms
of
an
impact
on
our
policymaking
as
a
city
and
on
where
our
energies
and
money
get
focused
in
the
future.
We
recently
heard
and
developed
a
community
safety
and
well-being
plan,
we're
now
in
the
process
of
doing
that.
It's
provincially
mandated.
G
We
have
the
province
this,
and
this
is
to
do
with
the
prevention
of
incidence
of
crime
and
violence.
So
we
are
obviously
already
actively
trying
to
find
solutions
and
trying
to
improve
rates
of
violence
and
improve
overall
public
safety
and
well-being.
So
you
know
it
may
not
be
as
clear-cut
as
everybody
would
would
or
as
direct
as
people
might
like
to
see
it,
but
it's
there
we
have.
We
have
a
responsibility,
so
I
agree
with
my
colleagues
and
I
will
be
supporting
this
motion.
Thank
you.
Thank.
H
Your
worship,
as
we
heard
earlier,
it's
too
late,
and
tonight
it's
really
late
already
so
I'm
only
going
to
speak
for
a
minute.
I,
don't
know
much
about
guns,
I,
don't
like
guns,
I'm,
not
a
hunter,
but
I'm.
Not
supporting
this
motion.
We
didn't
consult
with
the
two
gun.
Clubs
in
town
cfb
Kingston
is
our
largest
employer
and
we
have
late
shooting
teams.
We
have
teams
in
Kingston
that
go
to
Bisley,
which
is
like
the
competitive
world
championships.
H
We
have
living
in
Kingston,
former
Canadian
Championships,
and
that's
going
to
prevent
any
competitive
target
shooters
from
having
weapons-
and
you
know
like
in
their
house
in
the
safes
doing
everything
as
a
law-abiding
citizen.
It's
you
know
like
this.
Is
their
sport,
it's
their
sport,
that
we're
gonna
be
taking
away
from
them
and
and
then
also
to
like
the
people
that
are
into
the
shooting
the
target,
shooting
the
real
competitive
ones
going
to
Bisley.
H
They
love
their
guns
right,
like
I
ride
horses
and
to
me
what
I
see
is
that
the
person
with
the
gun
doing
the
Turkish
shooting
the
competitive
shooting
it's
like.
They
form
a
relationship
with
I've
gotten.
It's
like
with
so
jumping
it's
the
horse
and
the
rider
with
competitive
shooting,
like
they,
they
worship
their
guns,
and
you
know,
maybe
hunters
do
I,
don't
know.
I
just
know
about
the
competitive
shooting
and
we're
gonna
be
taking
away
their
sport
and
I
can't
support
that
so
I
won't
be
supporting
this
motion.
Thank
you.
Thank.
J
Appreciated
the
appreciate
they
but
I
mean
I'm,
divided
I
mean
I,
appreciate
the
presentations.
I
appreciate
the
nature
of
the
feelings
of
the
people
that
were
here.
The
feelings
on
all
sides.
I
appreciate
what
the
motion
is
trying
to
do:
I'm,
not
sure
that
it
does
it,
but
when
the
mover
and
seconder
brought
it
to
me
or
introduced
me
to
it,
I
said:
please
don't
make
this
about
long
guns.
I
don't
want
to
have
that
discussion.
J
This
is
what
we
have
to
look
at,
and
but
we
are
not
the
body
to
do
that,
and
so
I
find
myself
divided
about
this,
because
I
do
I
do
feel.
There
are
certain
types
of
weapons
that
shouldn't
be
in
the
public
sphere
and
assault
weapons
in
particular,
and
because
of
the
amount
of
damage
they
can
do
and
death
they
can
so
so.
J
J
Well,
quite
the
foot,
you
know
the
shoes
on
the
other
foot
pretty
much
entirely
so
yeah
I'm
not
gonna,
just
like
somebody,
because
they
vote
different
than
me
wherever
I
decide
beyond
based
on
that,
because
this
is
being
an
intractable
problem
for
decades
and
we
slowly
move
towards
more
controls
and
recognizing
things
but
and
it
sort
of
clarified
for
me
to
some
degree
it's
about
the
amount
of
damage
and
that's
how
the
that
is
capable
by
that
weapon
and
that's
what
we
should
be
looking
at.
So
I
don't
know.
K
You,
oh
you,
are
thinking
you
worship.
First
of
all,
I
like
to
thank
all
of
the
citizens
who
participated
in
this
I.
Think
we've
had
the
largest
active
engagement
of
any
issue.
That's
faced
the
city
during
this
term
of
council,
but
and
I
certainly
appreciate
many
of
the
comments
by
my
fellow
councillors
who
choosing
to
vote
against
this
motion.
K
Grandstanding
on
issues
we
have
no
influence
over
at
nor
are
we
elected
to
represent,
has
no
place
in
municipal
government
should
accounts
are
be
so
motivated
as
to
advocate
on
federal
issues.
Let
them
be
implore
to
do
so
directly
with
the
electorate,
elected
MP
or
MPPs
on
behalf
of
themselves
or
the
elected
representatives
to
which
the
matter
his
lies
in
jurisdiction.
K
K
Imagine
that
this
concept
was
paramount
in
the
halls,
just
at
the
dawn
of
Confederation
now
seemingly
ignored,
I
feel
that
if
we
give
up
on
good
government,
you
sacrifice
peace
and
order
and
I
am
not
prepared
to
do
that.
For
you,
councillor,
McClaren
or
councillor
Hill.
If
you
will
be,
you
will
find
being
called
out
on
this
event
of.
L
A
I'm
just
saying
Elser
Chapelle,
let
me
rule,
then
you
can
continue.
I've
stopped
your
tongue,
so
there
is
nothing,
there's
nothing
in
our
procedural
bar
law.
That
say
you
cannot
name
another
counselor,
that's
fine!
The
one
thing
that
I
will
caution
is
that
you
cannot
speak
to
motive.
So
there
are
a
couple
of
comments
that
I
would
say
cross
the
line
into
motive.
So
that
is
the
one
thing
that
I
will
caution
cannot
occur.
So
it's
a
point
of
privilege
not
a
point
of
order.
Councillor
Chappelle,
you
still
have
three
minutes.
K
At
length,
I
am
not
prepared
to
give
up
good
governance
and,
if
you
find
being
called
out
in
this
offensive,
maybe
you
need
to
stay
in
your
own
lane
and
respect
the
vote
of
the
people
in
this
room
who
elected
their
federal
MP
to
represent
them
on
this
issue.
These
matters
of
assisting
asserting
all
constituents
moral
support
is
a
great
in
decency
of
governance.
K
As
a
councillor
like
citizens
in
the
City
of
Kingston,
we
have
an
elected
MP,
to
whom
you
are
welcome,
to
extend
your
moral
support,
neither
I
as
a
councillor
nor
any
of
you,
as
councillors,
were
elected
to
use
this
vehicle
to
speak
on
behalf
of
citizens
in
this
manner.
The
fact
that
anglers
and
hunters
are
here
to
state
that
you
do
not
speak
for
them
should
have
your
attention,
because
on
this
issue,
you
cannot
speak
for
them.
K
They
can
represent
themselves
at
to
an
MP,
just
as
those
who
call
for
the
theft
of
private
property,
as
a
stronger
controls
can
advocate
to
an
MP.
Please
show
me
that
we
as
a
council
have
a
mandate.
Please
show
me
where
we
have
a
mandate
to
declare
a
moral
position
of
a
municipality
on
a
topic
outside
of
our
governance
or
swiftly
apologised
for
subjugating
the
self
advocacy
for
those
for
and
against
this
motions,
as
persons
who
are
using
this
council
as
a
platform
beyond
this
jurisdiction,
I
I
I
want
you
to
respect
their
vote.
K
A
A
A
K
Again,
fellow
councillors,
the
primary
business
of
city
council
meetings
is
address,
matters
of
fact,
our
community
under
our
jurisdiction,
as
set
out
in
the
Ontario
Municipal
Act,
as
these
matters
are
numerous
and
at
times
complex,
the
discussion
or
debate
of
non
jurisdictional
issues
should
be
limited
in
consideration
of
timing
of
our
council
agendas
and
potential
commitment
of
staff
resources
and
matters
outside
of
direct
authority.
So
an
effort
to
strike
a
balance
in
this
matter,
I
would
be
submitting
a
motion
to
the
effect
that
cities
that
the
city's
procedural
bylaw
be
amended
to
reflect.
K
A
You
is
there
any
other
business,
it
is
11:40.
This
is
a
good
good
plug
for
starting
earlier
in
the
evening.
11:40
can
I
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.
Please
moved
by
Councillor
boum
secretary
by
a
Deputy
Berryhill,
oh
yeah,
the
bylaws.
Sorry,
sorry
guys
we're
not
going
anywhere
yet
Sklar,
Koster
bylaws,
please.