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City Council meeting from April 6, 2021. For full agenda details visit https://bit.ly/2RaNrGl
A
A
Since
time
immemorial,
it
is
with
deep
humility
that
we
acknowledge
and
offer
our
gratitude
for
their
contributions
to
this
community
having
respect
for
all,
as
we
share
the
space
now
and
walk
side
by
side
into
the
future
so
good
evening,
everyone,
we
were
just
meeting
committee
the
whole
closed
meeting.
We
did
discuss
one
item,
respect
to
11
right
crescent
market
housing,
construction
timelines.
A
A
First
includes
an
information
report
about
proposed
amendments
to
the
kingston
economic
development
corporation
corporate
bylaw.
The
second
addendum
is
the
addition
of
a
report
from
planning
committee
and
then
the
third
and
fourth
addendum
includes
some
communications
and
a
list
of
seven
delegations.
A
A
A
And
then,
at
that
point
we
have
several
motions
to
add
additional
delegations.
Those
delegations
are
avira,
schmidt,
maven,
armstrong,
mary
ferrar
and
laurel
claus,
johnson,
okay,
so
what
we'll
do
is?
We
will
have
the
first
three
donations.
Then
I
will
pause
and
I
will
ask
for
the
motions
of
council.
A
So
at
this
point
first,
we
will
invite
bob
clark,
who
appeared
before
council
to
speak
to
clause
4
report
number
40
received
from
the
ceo
with
respect
to
the
update
on
kingston
inner
harbor
contaminated
sediment
management
project.
Just
a
reminder
to
all
of
our
delegations
this
evening
that
you
have
five
minutes
to
speak
at
which
time
then
we
will
open
up
the
floor
to
questions.
C
Hello,
everyone-
this
is
very
different
for
sure
for
me
very
first
time,
but
I
would
like
to
thank
the
esteemed
mayor
and
you're
doing
a
great
job
and
all
you
counselors
for
your
very
hard
work.
We
definitely
appreciate
it
and
we
appreciate
the
time
you
put
into
this
talking
about
the
inner
harbor
sediment
remediation
project,
there's
a
number
of
issues
that,
as
this
has
become,
come
to
light
that
we
as
metal
craft
marine,
are
very
concerned
about.
C
If
you
look
back
at
the
previous
studies,
the
remediation
area
only
partially
matches
up
with
the
remediation
area
noted
in
the
report
put
out
by
the
city,
the
we
have
gone
back
and
forth
with
the
transport
canada
asking
for
more
information.
They
are
not
providing
that
we'd
like
to
know
what
what
is
the
origination
of
this?
C
Who
is
the
minister
involved
what's
going
on
here,
because
we
were
never
involved
as
a
stakeholder
at
all
and
what
they're
saying
is:
oh,
wait
till
the
summer
you'll
be
a
stakeholder
in
the
summer,
but
one
of
the
things
that
worries
me
is
they
telephoned.
They
did
not
email
and
said
we
will
not
be
renewing
your
water
lot
lease
as
of
2023.
C
It's
it's
currently
up
for
renewal.
As
of
april
2020,
they
didn't
renew
it.
They
contacted
us
and
said
we
will
renew
it,
but
only
to
april
2023,
at
which
time
we're
going
to
be
doing
x,
works,
and
you
won't
have
a
water
lot,
which
means
our
marina
will
be
out
of
business
and
metalcraft
could
be
out
of
business.
C
We've
asked
and
asked
repeatedly
what
does
this
mean
because
it
sounds
to
me
like
they
think
this
is
a
done
deal
and
they're
having
the
consultation
process
this
summer
to
hear
what
people
have
to
say
when
when
it
appears
to
me
that
they're
going
their
plan
on
going
ahead
anyway,
I
think
this
is
a
terrible
misuse
of
public
funds.
Everything
I've
read
suggests
that
dredging
will
cause
more
environmental
damage
and
bring
the
mercury
chromiums
and
pcbs
to
the
surface.
C
C
As
of
the
last
report
that
I
included,
which
was
2005
and
the
and
it
continues
so
I
I
sincerely
think
that
the
city
should
dissuade
transport
canada
from
moving
ahead
on
this.
Until
you
and
us
have
the
information
we
do
not
have
the
information.
The
report
referred
to
in
the
report
issued
by
mr
mcclatchy
refers
to
an
rmc
report,
doesn't
give
the
number
of
the
report.
The
report
number
which
took
me
a
long
time
to
find
is
rmc
ccc
es
14038,
it's
not
public.
C
It's
not
public
information,
they're.
Withholding
information
that
you
should
have.
We
should
have
and
the
public
should
have,
and
I
think
that
the
city
should
demand
that
these
people
come
up
front.
I
am
very
mistrustful
of
transport,
canada
and
I
think
that
they
are
doing
things
behind
our
back
without
including
and
without
being
public.
That's
where
I
stand
on
it.
A
E
C
F
Excuse
me,
thank
you,
mayor
patterson.
I
just
want
to
commend
bob
too
for
speaking
to
us
tonight
and
certainly
want
to
recognize
your
your
your
business
and
it's
an
important
one
for
the
city
and
for
the
work
that
you
do
and
hopefully
this
can
work
out
and
then
we
can
certainly
come
alongside
of
you,
and
I
think
we
ought
to
do
that
and
hopefully
good
can
happen.
Thank
you.
F
F
C
G
Thank
you,
your
worship
and
through
you
just
two
questions
for
mr
clark.
Thanks
for
sending
us
all
those
details
today,
definitely
very
alarming
to
read
about
that.
In
the
letter
from
transport
canada
did
they
say
that
they
would
compensate
metal
craft
marine
for
the
inconvene.
The
inconvenience
is
going
to
cost
come
april,
2023.
C
Councillor
saanich,
that's
a
very
interesting
question
because
when
I
was
reviewing
all
the
documentation,
as
this
came
to
light
with
the
city
report,
what
I
discovered
was
it
was
a
phone
call.
They
phoned
us.
It
is
not
in
writing
that
they
are
not
planning
to
renew
and
I
have
emailed
them
saying.
I
would
like
that
in
writing,
because
it's
inappropriate,
if
you
think
about
it,
for
a
government
agency
to
say
I'm
not
going
to
renew
a
lease
that
your
business
depend.
C
C
G
A
Thank
you
seeing
no
other
questions.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
clark.
With
that
we
will
move
to
our
second
delegation
this
evening.
Mr
g
common
will
appear
before
council
to
speak
to
clause.
4
report
number
40
receive
the
ceo
with
respect
to
update
on
the
kingston
inner
harbor
contaminated
sediment
management
project.
H
Thank
you,
mayor,
patterson
and
councillors.
I
really
appreciate
the
good
work
you
guys
do.
I
I
enjoy
a
nice
life
in
kingston,
largely
thanks
to
your
good
work.
So
I
appreciate
that
I
saw
on
the
tv
recently
a
suggestion
that
you
might
be
able
to
dredge
your
way
out
of
a
contaminated
sediment
problem
without
creating
a
catastrophe
in
a
river,
and
so
I
I
thought
I
might
have
that
wrong.
H
It
rests
on
three
pillars,
but
the
most
troublesome
one
is
the
one
on
dredging.
If
you
dredge
the
sediment
left
behind
by
a
tannery
the
sediment
that
that
nature
has
taken
care
of,
has
immobilized
in
a
in
a
in
a
in
a
paste-like
substance
that
has
a
yield
stress
that
doesn't
that
doesn't
deform
it
doesn't
displace.
H
You
will
resuspend
that
into
the
water
of
the
river,
and
that's
not
just
going
to
create
a
problem
on
the
day
of
the
dredging.
This
is
going
to
continue
for
for
years
to
come.
What
nature
has
taken
years
to
pack
away
at
the
bottom
of
that
river
in
a
special
form
is
going
to
be
disrupted
and
it's
going
to
be
like
starting
over
again,
it's
like
reopening
the
tannery.
H
Now
I
I
agree
with
mr
clark
that
that
report
is
at
least
has
been
unavailable
to
me.
I've
been
able
to
find
un
able
to
find
this
thousand
page
report,
but
but
I
did
find
the
executive
summary
of
that
report,
and
I
mentioned
the
three
pillars
this
report
the
council
is
is
about.
First
of
all
is
about
revetment,
but
I
can
find
no
mention
of
revetment
in
in
in
the
executive
summary
of
that
report,
upon
which
you
know
report
number
21-107
relies.
H
Secondly,
the
executive
summary
of
that
ten-year-old
report
says
plainly
that
tapping
is
a
bad
idea
and
excludes
it
as
a
possible
solution,
and
then
finally,
it
does
recommend
dredging,
but
on
the
basis
that-
and
I
think
the
words
are
that
the
public
is
least
likely
to
object
to
it,
which
is
not
science,
so
the
worst
possibility
here
of
resuspending
toxic
chemical
waste
from
a
tannery
into
water
that
doesn't
have
a
problem.
The
report
comes
to
the
conclusion.
H
The
water
is
fine,
you
see
is
a
bad
idea,
especially
when
your
city
is
is
in
the
inner
harbor
is,
is
flowing
towards
the
thousand
islands
area.
I
mean
we
have.
We
have
friends
and
relatives
in
brockville
who
will
be
affected
by
this,
and
I'm
not
just
talking
about
wildlife
at
the
bottom
of
of
the
river
there
we're
going
to
put
this
cloud
of
toxic
chemicals
back
into
play
and
send
it
down
the
river.
H
So
I'm
concerned,
I
I'm
I'm,
I'm
an
expert
on
matters
of
of
flow
and
the
physics
of
flow.
There
is
the
expected
outcome
of
dredging
toxic
sedimented
toxic
waste
here
is
cat
is
catastrophic
and
the
the
proper
course
of
action
here
is
to
do
nothing
at
all
to
to
to
to
let
nature
stand
on
on
what
bob
called
healing
the
the
the
the
healing
process
of
of
sedimentation.
H
There
we
go
so
that
paste,
like
substance,
is
relatively
harmless
if
we
resuspend
that
into
the
river
and
there's
no
dredging
method
that
I
know
of
that's
not
going
to
do
that,
we're
going
to
create
a
problem
that
we
will
have
to
live
with
for
years
to
come.
If
I
was
a
counselor,
I
would
vote
against
this
recommendation.
G
Saying,
thank
you,
your
worship
through
you.
Thank
you
so
much
dr
geo
common
for
speaking
to
us
tonight.
You
are
definitely
the
expert
one
thing
I've
heard
going
into
tonight
is
that
you
know
there's
some
people
that
are
feeling
that
the
fact
that
there's
that
expression
nature
has
a
way
to
heal
some
people
are
saying:
that's
just
not
true.
You
still
have
to
remove
it,
so
you
reiterated
that
that
is
unsafe
right.
G
G
H
H
It's
it's
not
touching
our
fishes.
You
see
as
soon
as
we
resuspend
that
cloud
when
I,
what
I
mean
by
catastrophe
is,
is
not
just
where
it's
headed
but
fishes
are
mobile.
The
ones
in
front
of
old
front
road
out
by
the
airport
will
be
affected
by
this.
The
economic
damage
that
that
will
do
to
all
the
fishes
as
that
moves
down
the
river
through
the
inner
harbor
and
then
down
through
the
thousand
islands,
is
the
sort
of
thing
we
haven't
seen
since
we
had
tanneries
dumping
stuff
into
into
the
inner
harbor.
G
Okay,
thank
you
and
my
second
question.
Hopefully
I
got
this
better.
Is
I
heard
another
argument
that
yeah
so
along
the
river
right
now
we
do
have
turtles
and
there
are
fish
and
but
they're
they're,
not
in
a
good
state
that
the
wildlife
would
thrive
even
more
if
we
got
rid
of
these
contaminants,
but
that's
not
true
either.
Is
it
because
it's
buried
down.
H
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
professor.
Just
a
couple
questions.
One
of
them
is
given
the.
I
would
assume
it's
a
significant
expense
to
do
this
work
that
the
federal
government
is
proposing.
Why?
Why
do
you
think
that
they
would
given
what
you
said
to
us
tonight?
Why
do
you
think
that
they
would
entertain
this
kind
of
work
if,
if
it's
so
costly
to
them-
and
it
only
has
the
effect
of
damaging
the
environment.
H
H
This
is
this
is
not
what
you
do
to
sedimented
tannery
waste,
and
I
can't
I
can't
explain
it's
also.
If
you
look
at
the
executive
summary
of
this
of
this
thousand
page
report,
which
I
can't
get
a
hold
of,
I
got
a
hold
of
the
summary,
but
it
it's
not
saying
that
dredging
isn't
is
without
its
risks
either.
So
look
no
further
than
the
executive
summary
of
the
of
the
report
upon
which
this
report
to
city
council
is
based
that
that
will
that
will
keep
you
up
tonight.
H
H
But
the
report
states
plainly
don't
cap
it,
you
see
the
report
says:
go
ahead
and
dredge
it,
but
but
for
the
oddest
reason
it
says
explicitly,
because
that's
the
that's
the
method.
The
public
is
least
likely
to
object
to
understandably
right
the
people,
the
uninitiated.
When
they
hear
of
dredging
as
a
solution
to
toxic
sediment,
they
they
think
removing.
It
is
a
good
idea,
just
just
as
if
it
was
in
your
bathtub.
Of
course,
you
would
take
it
out,
but
in
fact
nature
doesn't
sit
idly
by
with
this
stuff.
H
If,
if
we,
if
we
raise
that
back
up
again-
and
I
guess
I'm
repeating
myself
here-
but
it's
going
to
resuspend
it
just
like
the
days
when
the
tannery
was
dumping
it
into
the
inner
harbor,
you
see
on
a
daily
basis
and
that
that
disruption
that
breaking
of
of
the
of
the
paste
at
the
bottom,
it
doesn't
just
recover
overnight.
It's
going
to
take
years
for
that
to
recover.
H
In
the
meantime,
this
toxic
cloud
is
going
to
continue
to
re
replenish
itself
and
and
send
the
cloud
on
down
the
river
another
interesting
thing
about
rivers.
River
flows
is
they're,
not
one
directional,
so
in
the
inner
harbor
area,
it's
also
going
to
flow
upstream.
You
see,
we
call
these
secondary
flows,
but
this
is
going
to
affect
the
wildlife
upstream
of
the
inner
harbor
as
well,
and,
of
course,
everything
that
swims
goes
goes
everywhere.
H
F
F
We
know
that
this
could
have
international
implications
as
well
like
what
what
what
stop
signs
can
we
raise
besides
engaging
our
federal
mp,
both
in
the
rural
area,
and
you
know
in
the
kingston
and
the
islands
and
all
the
way
down
through
eastern
ontario,
but
also
we
have
international
implications.
Do
we
not.
H
We
do
that's
correct,
I
mean
I
only
had
five
minutes,
but
thank
thank
you.
Councillor
woosterhoff,
our
our
neighbors
to
the
north
need
to
be
warned.
If
we're
going
to
start
dredging
up
tannery
waste
in
kingston,
we
need
to
warn
brockville
and
we're
going
to
like
even
the
report
10
years
ago
said.
Our
water
was
fine.
That
doesn't
surprise
me
as
a
chemical
engineer.
The
toxic
chemicals
are
where
they
belong
at
the
bottom.
H
H
You
sometimes
hear
expressions
like
the
solution
to
pollution
is
dilution,
but
river
flow
doesn't
work
that
way.
It
kills
everything
in
its
path.
It's
called
a
fish
kill
you
see,
so
this
is
going
to
wind
its
way
around
the
thousand
islands
and
it
will
affect
our
friends
in
in
the
united
states
as
well.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you
in
the
mid
mid
or
late
90s.
I
was
on
council
for
a
period,
and
I
remember
there
was
the
plan
to
put
in
a
a
waste
management
from
kingston
to
ravensview
and
originally,
if
my
memory
serves
me
well
that
that
was
intended
to
go
under
and
our
environmental
engineer
of
the
day
said
no,
we
shouldn't
disturb
that
capped
area
and
we
should
find
a
way
to
put
it
above,
which,
in
fact
we
did
so
is
this.
E
It
was,
it
was
to
connect
our
waste
management
from
the
kingston
side
across
the
river
to
connect
with
raven's
view,
in
that
what
was
then
pittsburgh
township
and
the
recommendation
originally
was
to
bury
the
the
the
waste
management
effort.
But
instead
our
engineer
suggested
that
we
not
do
minimal
damage
to
what
is
on
top
the
cap
and
that
we
needed
to
carefully
put
it
across
the
river,
which
I
understand
is
what
we
did.
H
E
H
Camping
tapping
is
a
is
a
pond
process,
not
a
river
process,
so
I'm
not
quite
sure
about
your
example,
but
if,
if
there
was
no
flow,
then
putting
sand
on
top
of
a
problem
is
not
a
bad
idea
in
a
river.
However,
you
make
the
riverbed
shallower
right,
where
you
wouldn't
want
it
to
be
shallow
and
then
the
water
to
flow
over
it,
because
water
holds
its
own
level
so
to
flow
over
the
shallow
areas.
H
It
has
to
accelerate
when
water
accelerates
it
shears
the
bottom
at
a
higher
stress,
which
is
going
to
ablate
the
bottom
now
mixed
with
sand.
So
when
you,
when
you,
when
you
dump
the
sand
on
top
of
this
sedimented
toxic
waste,
you're
going
to
mix
the
toxic
waste
with
sand
and
break
its
yield
stress,
it
no
longer
behaves
as
a
paste
and
then
you're
subjecting
it
to
a
higher
shear
stress
on
the
surface.
It's
going
to
carry
it
further
downstream
and,
of
course,
resuspend
the
toxic
chemicals.
E
E
If,
if
dredging
takes
place,
does
it
put
canada
and
potentially
the
city
in
some
jeopardy
it
because
I
know
we
have
an
international
treaty
with
the
united
states
to
protect
our
waterways,
particularly
the
great
lakes
and
the
st
lawrence
seaway.
Will
that
put
us
in
your
estimation,
at
some
jeopardy.
H
I'm
afraid
I'm
not
an
expert
at
all
on
the
laws
of
of
of
of
flow
in
in
the
great
lakes.
What
I
do
know
is
that
the
more
I
learn
about
the
these,
the
more
remarkable
I
find
the
recovery
of
the
great
lakes
has
been
over
the
past
few
decades
and
and
largely
because
of
this
cooperation
between
the
two
countries
right,
it
doesn't
work
unless
both
sides
do
their
do
their
part,
and
that's
what's
been
going
on
for
decades
now,
yeah.
H
J
Much
thank
you,
your
worship,
professor
jackman,
welcome,
and,
and
thank
you
for
your
comments.
So
far,
I'm
gonna
ask
you
because
clearly,
you're
you're,
quite
an
accomplished
scientist,
you've,
read
the
the
executive
summary
and
would
and
and
we're
now
discussing
an
action
plan
by
the
feds
as
a
result
of
it,
and
I
would
say,
you're
saying
it's
not
you
said
already
it
was
not
based
on.
H
I
I
don't
think
even
I
don't
think
it
made
sense,
even
on
its
own
terms,
to
meet
counselor
stroud
like
like,
of
course,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
no
there's
no
mention
of
revetment,
so
but
but
it
got
the
capping
problem
right.
That
was,
that
was
a
scientific
exclusion.
They
said
well,
capping
is
not
a
good
idea,
you
see,
and
then
the
reasoning,
but
at
the
front
end
of
the
report.
H
They
do
talk
about
doing
nothing
at
all,
but
but
when
you,
when
you
go
down
to
the
part
where
they've
decided,
the
best
thing
to
do
is
dredging
they
don't
compare
that
to
doing
nothing
at
all.
That
comparison
wasn't
made,
at
least
in
the
executive
summary.
Instead
they
say
this
is
this
is
the
method
to
which
the
public
is
least
likely
to
object,
which
that's
the
part
I
didn't
mean.
None
of
it
was
scientific.
H
I
just
meant
that
the
the
central
decision
that
concerned
me
about
this
in
the
first
place
is
supported
by
that
argument,
a
very
strange
argument
and-
and
I'm
not
an
expert
on
politics,
but
that's
ten
years
ago,
and-
and
I
don't
think
that
would
be
true
today-
I
I
think
I
think
people
would
object
to
this,
but
I'm
not
an
expert
on
that.
I'm
an
expert
on
fluid
flow.
J
Let
me
just
ask
you
whether
you
think
it's
possible
that
what
you've
read
in
that
executive
summary
and
also
considering
the
fact
that
it
wasn't
made
public,
is
it
possible
that
this
report
was
written
as
we
say
backwards
as
in
it?
The
authors
of
the
report
perhaps
had
an
outcome
in
mind
and
just
needed
to
put
something
together.
A
H
H
As
I
understand
it,
there's
a
thousand
pages
of
that
report
I
haven't
seen.
I
could
digest
those
in
an
afternoon
no
problem,
but
I
haven't
seen
them
and
I
have
tried
to
get
them.
I
haven't
succeeded
in
getting
them,
so
you
know
it's
hard
to
judge
a
book
by
its
cover.
That's
being
said,
all
I
can
get
a
hold
of
is
the
executive
summary.
H
K
H
I'm
glad
you
bring
that
up,
because
this
means
a
lot
to
me.
Every
summer
morning
I
walk
to
the
water's
edge.
I
dive
in
I
I
swim
in
in
the
in
in
lake
ontario
on
the
west
end
here
every
every
morning
and
in
in
the
summer,
right
through
till
november.
Actually-
and
I
I
won't
be
able
to
do
that
anymore
for
years
to
come
until
this
re-sediments
we're
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
swim
in
the
water
or
put
young
children
in
the
water.
This
is
this
is
what
I
mean
by
catastrophic.
K
H
H
L
Okay,
so
dr
jackman
listen,
I
sincerely
appreciate
your
your
candor
and
approach
tonight.
I
actually
did
some
research
in
university
under
water,
toxicology
myself
and
for
my
undergrad
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
find
interesting
about
your
presentation
tonight.
I
have
two
questions
for
you.
One
have
you
ever
presented
for
city
council
today
before
tonight
and
if
you
have
not,
what
was
the
compelling
reason
to
have
you
present
like
what
was
your
concern
that
drove
you
to
speak
out
publicly
on
this
very
concerning
issue.
H
What
the
the
t,
the
t
that
the
television
broadcast
that
I
happened
to
see
a
few
days
ago
had
a
person
named
mary
interviewed
first,
who
seemed
to
have
good
instincts
about
dredging,
so
that
struck
me
first,
then
there
was
a
person.
I
think
it
must
be
mr
clark
who
was
interviewed
about
the
economic
repercussions
of
of
dredging
the
inner
harbor
and
then
since
then,
I've
done
my
own
research
on
on
the
subject,
and
I
learned
about
delegations
to
city
hall.
M
N
M
M
But
what
I'm
also
hearing
is
that
we
should
also
be
then
concerned
for
the
drinking
water,
perhaps
of
people
in
brockville
and
perhaps
further
on,
and
I
wonder
if
you
could
speak
a
little
bit
to
the
quality
or
the
dangers
to
our
drinking
water
and
how
far
up
or
down
and
across
stream.
It
may
go
because
you
say
say
it's
multi-directional
as
well.
H
I
cannot,
I
know
that
I
I
know
that
river
flows
are
not
one
directional
and
and
they
they
flow
upstream
along
the
edges,
a
lot
and,
of
course,
fish
travel.
They
have
a
mind
of
their
own
they're
migratory
and
they
they
travel.
So
they
they
they
get
sick
and
then
they
they
take
those
heavy
metals
with
them.
H
M
H
D
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
perhaps
for
what
you
say,
we
know
the
answers,
but
I'm
gonna
ask
this
question.
Anyway,
in
a
couple
of
major
projects
by
the
city,
we
have
used
technology
like
silk
curtains
and
and
the
like
to
mitigate
the
flow
of
silt
that
is
disturbed
by
whatever
it
is
we're
doing.
Okay,
so
do
you
think,
in
a
piecemeal
fashion
that
that
kind
of
technology
will
allow
us
to
do
the
the
work
that
is
being
proposed.
H
So
there
is
no
engineering
solution.
You
can't
dredge
a
river
and
and
prevent
the
cloud
if
you're
not
going.
That's
that's
not
possible,
but
silt
curtains
are
used
around
construction
projects
and
they
they
they
effectively,
not
completely,
but
they
effectively
prevent
the
silt
from
from
activity
from
construction
to
get
away
from
the
construction
site.
H
First
of
all,
from
wave
action
reaches
between
the
stones
between
the
large
stones
and
then
you
can
see,
for
instance,
over
at
the
time
sculpture.
You
can
see
the
gravel
behind
it
being
being
shot
up
towards
the
sculpture.
Maybe
20
feet
behind
behind
the
stones
gives
you
some
sense
of
the
of
the
water
pressure
that
is
channeled
between
the
revetment
pieces
and
then,
of
course,
you'll
see
the
the
gravel
that
has
been
placed
behind
those
storms
sinking
down
downward
and
that's
because
the
silt,
the
soil,
underneath
that
gravel
is
being
taken
away
into
lake
ontario.
H
H
A
O
O
I
am
a
member
of
several
environmental
and
nature
based
organizations
here
in
kingston
and,
as
some
of
you
will
know,
I
am
also
currently
researching
turtles
in
the
inner
harbor
as
we
speak.
So
I
know
maven
armstrong
from
turtles
kingston
is
here
and
hopefully
you
will
approve
her
addendum
and
she
will
speak
more
to
the
biology
of
turtles,
but
I
can
just
confirm
that
definitely
there
are
turtles
there
and
I
cannot
see
any
way
that
they
would
not
be
affected
by
dredging
shoreline,
revetment
and
other
proposed
projects.
O
Also.
I
just
want
to
thank
actually
the
city
of
kingston
for
the
support
of
the
my
turtle
project.
That's
that's
been
wonderful.
I
also
would
like
to
point
out
as
much
as
turtles.
There's
lots
of
other
wildlife
there
if
you've
had
a
chance
to
be
down
in
the
inner
harbor.
You'll
know
that
beavers
are
catching
a
lot
of
attention.
O
We
haven't
been
able
to
look
at
it,
it's
hard
to
comment
on
it,
and
I
would
suggest
that
the
city
can't
really
support
something,
even
in
principle,
if
we
don't
know
what
it
is
that
we're
supporting.
I
would
like
to
see.
At
least
I
realized
that
the
federal
government
is
in
the
early
stages
of
doing
their
planning.
O
However,
even
at
this
early
stage,
we
should
have
some
information
on
things
like
the
goals
of
the
project
in
terms
of
reference.
What
the
priorities
are.
I
understand.
I
just
learned
from
the
field
naturalists
earlier
this
evening
that
the
parks
canada's
rito
canal
plan
has
just
is
under
under
review
and
there's
a
new
draft
that
prioritizes
recreation.
O
So
I
wonder
if,
if
that's
one
of
the
reasons
for
this,
rather
than
wildlife
or
other
concerns
being
prioritized,
so
that's
that's
really.
All
that
that
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
I'm
concerned
about
wildlife,
but
it's
also
very
hard
to
comment
on
and
what
I
should
be
concerned
about
exactly
when
we
don't
have
access
to
information,
and
I
do
think
that
we
as
a
city
need
to
to
push
for
that
and
to
delay
any
support
until
we
have
all
the
information
that
we
need.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
see
none.
Thank
you
very
much,
miss
reed
with
that
we
will
move
to
further
delegation.
So
here
I
will
ask
for
emotions
from
council
to
waive
our
procedural
bylaws
to
to
add
additional
delegations
beyond
the
three
that
are
permitted
under
so
first
moved
by
council
authorities
seconded
by
councilor
hill
that
we
waive
our
procedural
bylaw
to
allow
alvaro
to
to
speak
to
again
clause.
A
4
report
number
40.,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried
next
move
by
council
doherty
seconded
by
councillor
hill
to
wave
or
clauses
of
our
procedural
bylaw
to
allow
maven
armstrong
to
speak
to
clause.
4
report
number
40.,
all
those
in
favor
proposed
and
that's
carried
next
move
by
council
hutchinson
seconded
by
council
mclaren
to
waive
our
procedural
bylaw
to
allow
mary
ferrara
to
speak
to
clause.
A
4
report
number
40.,
all
those
in
favor
proposed
and
then
carried
and
then
finally
moved
by
council
neil
seconded
by
councillor
sanik
that
the
clauses
of
our
procedural
bylaw
be
waived
in
order
to
allow
laurel
claus
johnson
to
speak
class
4
report
number
40.,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that
carrots
okay.
So
with
that,
we
will
move
to
delegation
number
four.
We
will
invite
elvira
hush
mid
to
speak
to
council
welcome
and
you
have
the.
P
So,
as
a
kingston
community
member,
I
regularly
enjoy
the
kataraki
waterfront
for
recreation
purposes
and
what
struck
me
early
on
was
the
amount
of
wildlife
along
the
shoreline
and
on
the
former
davies
tennery
lot.
So
I've
seen
the
beavers
at
work,
turtles
and
birds,
and
I
am-
and
I
was
enchanted
or
I'm
enchanted
by
the
biodiversity
that
I
encounter
there
so
close
to
the
city.
P
It
might
represent
a
threat
to
the
non-human
inhabitants
and
may
lead
to
further
habitat
loss
which,
in
my
opinion,
we
cannot
afford
in
times
of
mass
extinction
of
species
and
even
under
the
best
precaution,
measures
that
which
I'm
sure
you
you're
planning
to
take.
I
understand
that
there
is
no
guarantee
that
steered
up
toxins
do
not
seep
back
into
kataraka
river,
a
water
body
that
is
connected
to
the
sun,
sun
lawrence
river
and
the
lake,
as
we
have
heard,
and
we
are
getting
our
drinking
water
from
the
lake.
P
So
I
would
also
be
highly
concerned
about
obviously
about
our
house
so
from
an
environmental
ethics
perspective.
We
would.
We
would
not
only
ask
what
is
our
interest,
the
human
interest
in
the
matter,
but
what
is
the
perspective
and
interest
of
the
plants,
animals
and
the
land
in
general
or
the
river,
for
example?
P
P
So
we
are
not
relating
to
nature
as
a
resa
resource
that
doesn't
have
or
doesn't
possess
agency.
But
we
understand
that
we
are
in
an
intrinsic
relationship
with
the
living
world
around
us
that
is
intelligent
and
self-sustaining,
and
that
does
possess
agency
a
robin
wall.
Kimera
professor
for
environmental
and
forest
biology.
P
At
state
university
in
new
york
talks
about
a
practice
of
respect
for
reciprocity
that
has
been
significant
to
indigenous
ways
of
being
in
the
world
for
millennia,
a
philosophy
from
which
I
think
I
can
learn
a
lot
or
maybe
we
can
learn
a
lot.
So,
in
our
case
I
would,
it
would
mean
maybe
to
consider
extending
the
concept
of
community
to
our
non-human
fellow
beings.
P
30
seconds
include
nature
nature's
perspective
on
the
matter
of
remediation
so
and
there's
actually
a
word
for
for
re
mediation.
It's
called
bioremediation
and
bioremediation
is
the
management
of
contaminated
sediments,
for
example.
Some
contaminated
sites,
which
do
not
necessarily
mean
do
nothing.
Bioremediation
means
a
non-destructive
approach
in
healing
the
land,
in
joint
partnership
with
nature
and.
A
M
P
Myself
is
the
the
one
question
is
that
bio
biome
radiation
as
a
work
to
work
with
plants
and
mushrooms
and
bacteria
is
something
that
I
feel
I
was
wondering
if
this
has
been
consulted
and
studied
and
included
in
any,
and
the
other
question
that
I
have
was
that
I'm
asking
myself:
where
is
the
heavily
contaminated
soil
being
shipped
to?
Does
it
mean
that
we.
P
Transport
contaminated
soil
into
a
an
area
that
is
still
healthy,
or
are
we
adding
contamination
to
an
already
polluted
area
and
also
take
the
risk
of
polluting
trucks,
tools
and
so
on,
and
not
to
speak
of
the
negative
impact?
If
you
remove
clean
soil
from
an
ecologically
functioning
system
by
using
having
machinery
to
bring
that
in
what
that
actually
means?
Where
does
that
the
contaminated
soil
go
to
if
it
would
be
dredged.
K
P
A
Q
Q
In
partnership
with
dr
steve
lowheat's
lab
at
queen's
university
dredging
poses
a
substantial
direct
mortality
threat
to
turtles
and
other
vertebrates
eastern
musk
turtles.
Northern
map
turtles,
snapping
turtles
and
painted
turtles
have
been
observed
in
that
area
adjacent
to
the
proposed
surface
sediments
dredging
areas.
I'm
concerned
that
the
proposed
dredging
and
tapping
procedures
are
targeting
habitat
areas
that
are
used
intensively
by
turtle
species
at
risk
without
any
documented
assessment
of
the
risks
or
benefits
to
these
populations
and
seemingly
without
consideration
for
how
to
mitigate
potential
direct
mortality.
Q
The
proposed
dredging
procedure
should
not
proceed
without
serious
and
careful
consideration
of
potential
harms
to
sensitive
population
and
ways
to
mitigate
these
risks.
Sincerely
matthew
g
kieval,
my
expression
is
habitat,
is
paramount.
I'm
going
to
focus
on
northern
map
turtles.
Northern
map
turtle
is
just
one
of
the
four
species
known
to
inhabit
the
kingston
inner
harbor.
They
can
be
seen
basking
on
emergent,
rocks
and
fallen
trees
along
the
water's
edge
throughout
spring
and
summer.
Q
They
are
identified
as
a
species
at
risk,
along
with
the
remaining
four
turtle
species
found
in
the
kingston
area
in
winter.
The
turtles
hibernate
on
the
bottom
of
the
deep
slow-moving
sections
of
the
river
it
is
essential
for
their
habitat
to
contain
suitable
basking
sites
such
as
rocks
and
deadheads.
Q
Q
They
are
likely
to
succumb
to
disease,
transmission
and
parasites,
and
they
will
lack
a
natural
immunity
to
their
newfound
location.
There's
also
an
issue
of
genetic
mixing
that
will
further
compromise
their
survivability
in
foreign
territories.
They
can
even
become
depressed
and
stop
eating,
resulting
in
their
demise
female
northern
map
turtles
now
this
is
really
important,
can
take
more
than
10
years
to
reach
maturity.
Q
Q
Late
maturity
and
the
diminished
survivability
of
their
offspring
translates
to
the
reality
that,
if
their
colony
experiences
any
outside
detrimental
influence
in
this
situation,
habitat
destruction,
shoreline
degradation
and
revived
contaminants,
the
likelihood
of
the
colonies
recover
recovery,
rather
is
next
to
nil.
They
simply
will
not
be
able
to
keep
up
with
what
is
happening
to
their
environment,
to
be
able
to
replace
themselves.
Q
And
possibly
extra
interpretation
of
populations
over
the
long
term.
Although
northern
map
turtles
are
widespread
and
seemingly
abundant,
they
need
to
be
considered
in
the
light
of
our
shifting
baseline,
where
each
succeeding
human
generation
perceives
the
current
level
of
species
abundance
as
the
new
norm
sometimes
occurring
obscuring
the
reality
that
the
historical
numbers
may
actually
have
been
much
greater.
Some
authors
suggest
that
freshwater.
A
A
Okay,
are
there
any
questions
from
council,
okay,
seeing
none?
Thank
you
very
much.
Miss
armstrong,
thank
you
and
with
that
we
will
move
to
our
next
delegation
this
evening.
We
will
invite
mary
ferrara
to
speak
to
council
with
respect
to
clause.
4
report
number
40.,
miss
ferrara,
welcome
and
you
have
the
fun.
S
Thanks
so
much,
and
thanks
to
all
of
you
and
council,
for
you
know
putting
up
with
so
many
of
us
speaking
and
taking
up
such
a
lot
of
time
at
the
beginning
of
council.
I
appreciate
your
patience,
so
I
would
like
to
take
I'm
I'm.
I
was
going
to
say
more,
but
I
a
lot
has
been
said
already
and
I'm
very
grateful
that
so
many
people
have
spoken
from
so
many
diverse
points
of
view.
S
S
I
don't
know
the
personalities
involved,
but
it's
a
certainly
a
potential
possibility
that
it's
more
administrators
these
days
in
transport,
canada
than
it
is
actual
scientists
just
like
parks,
canada,
moving
in
the
direction
of
recreation
rather
than
wildlife.
I
mean,
I
think
we
have
to
look
at
the
broader
picture
and
be
very
concerned
about
this.
The
lack
of
transparency
in
transport,
canada
is,
is
quite
disturbing.
I
mean
I've
tried
to
find
information.
I
don't
get
any
replies.
I've
asked
for
a
copy
of
the
rfp,
no,
I
mean,
and
it
seems
like
stonewalling.
S
S
I
know
personally
that
a
study
was
done
a
couple
of
years
ago.
I
know
by
accident,
because
a
young
woman
with
snc
level
and
went
to
the
kingston
historical
society-
and
they
referred
her
to
me
because
she
wanted
maps
of
the
shoreline
of
the
inner
harbor.
So
we
went
for
a
long
walk
all
along
the
shoreline
and
what
she
was
up
to
was
creating
a
power,
a
weather
station
at
the
causeway
and
four
black
boxes
underwater.
S
That
would
be
submerged
to
look
at
the
relationship
between
storm
surges
and
pollution
in
the
water,
and
I
presume
this
report
was
published
last
year
and
I'm
it's
possible.
I
guess
this
was
commissioned
by
transport,
canada,
that
it
might
be
part
of
the
basis
that
they're
using
for
for
these
suggestions.
S
Now
I
talked
with
dave
lawrence,
who
was
the
person
in
procurement
who's
in
charge
of
this
file,
and
he
said,
oh
not
to
worry
that
there
will
be
public
consultation
in
july
and
everything
nothing
much
has
really
started
already.
But
then,
when
I
saw
the
report,
I
was
truly
horrified
by
my
god.
All
of
this
dredging
mapped
out.
It
didn't
look
as
though
it
was
going
to
be
an
open
process.
S
So
this
is
deeply
disturbing,
and
so
I
guess
what
I'm
really
I'm
worried
about
is
well
possible
liability
issues
if
you
do
for
one
thing
with
all
of
this
stuff,
but
I
we
don't
know
what
the
feds
have
done,
what
the
research
is-
and
I
honestly
believe,
with
leslie
rudy,
that
you
know,
I
think
you
counsel
and
us
community
members.
We
need
to
have
a
much
better
idea
of
exactly
what
transport
canada
is
basing
this
on
what
their
plans
are.
S
A
L
I
can
never
find
my
mouse,
your
worship,
mary,
I
wanna.
Thank
you
for
all
the
diligence
you
have
put
forward
in
in
the
inner
harbor,
but
obviously
you
would
have
shared
some
of
this
information
with
your
vast
email
list
that
you
have.
How
many
supportive
emails
did
you
receive
for
the
idea
of
dredging
the
inner
harbor.
S
No,
I
haven't
and
I
don't
usually
get
emails
in
response
I
mean
I
do
have
a
thousand
people
on
my
mailing
list
and
I
I
typically
don't
get
responses,
but
I
see
people
downtown.
My
son
says
to
me
no
one's
ever
going
to
read
your
emails.
For
god's
sake,
I
mean
they're
tomes
and
yet
I'm
constantly
interrupted
by
people
downtown
who
say
I
read
it
from
beginning
to
end.
It's
the
most
informative,
it's
better
than
the
way.
A
B
T
T
T
T
A
A
Okay?
Now
we
do
have
one
motion
of
condolence
moved
by
mayor
patterson
seconded
by
council
daugherty
that
the
sincere
condolences
of
kingston
city
council
be
extended
to
the
family
of
raymond
director
solid
waste
operations
on
the
passing
of
his
mother
denise
gerner
on
thursday
march
25th
2021
at
the
age
of
76..
A
A
M
Thank
you
through
you,
mr
mayor.
I
think
this
is
a
very
positive
and
worthwhile
initiative.
We
often
think
of
the
arts
as
a
nice
to
have
and
forget
how
much
the
creative
industry
contributes
to
employment,
our
in
our
local
economy
and
I'm,
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
and
read
that
we're
looking
into
space,
because
I
know
that's
been
an
issue
for
artists,
particularly
during
covert.
So
my,
but
my
question
is
regarding
independent
artists.
I
know
we're
going
to
do
consult
with
key
partners
and
stakeholders
and
what
about
the
independent
artists?
U
Thank
you
and
through
your
worship.
One
of
the
points
that
the
report
makes
is
that
the
emphasis
is
on
working
with
different
sectors
and
being
able
to
work
with
creatives
of
all
types
to
be
able
to
support
the
commercialization
and
distribution
and
presentation
of
their
work.
So
independent
artists
are
very
much
a
part
of
that.
We
are
obviously
in
this
initial
work.
U
That's
been
proposed
here,
focusing
on
three
sub-sectors
film,
theater
and
music,
but
that
certainly
doesn't
preclude
us
from
working
with
other
independent
artists
as
key
stakeholders
in
this
work,
and
so
as
we
move
forward
through
this
first
phase
of
implementation.
One
of
the
first
actions
is
to
set
up
the
creative
industries
working
group
and
that's
going
to
be
a
key
mechanism
through
which
we'll
be
working
with
our
key
partners
and
then
with
members
of
the
community
to
define
the
path
going
forward.
U
A
K
Thank
you.
So
I've
heard
a
lot
of
detriments
expressed
recently
on
this,
so
I
have
a
few
questions
for
staff
about
some
of
the
detriments
that
we
may
have
heard
recently,
I'm
concerning
to
say
the
economic
detriment
we
heard
from
middlecraft
that
they
may
be
a
lot
of
business
out
of
this.
Are
there
anything?
Is
there
anything
that
we
can
do
or
that
we
know
that
the
federal
government
will
do
to
protect
them
or
to
help
them
bridge
this
gap
during
the
time
when
this
can't
be
done.
V
All
right
thanks
your
worship
and
and
through
you
to
counselor
mclaren,
and
I
have
our
environment
director
paul
mcclatchy
on
the
call
who
may
add
some
some
context
to
to
to
questions
and
probably
lead
the
the
answering
questions,
but
in
response
council
mclaren.
So
the
federal
government
has
not
launched
its
public
consultation
process
in
stakeholder
engagement
and
they
are
scheduled
to
do
that
in
july.
K
V
The
boss,
I
I
I
can
only
answer
with
the
information
that
the
transfer,
canada
and
then
the
partner
agencies
that
are
working
on
this
project
and
the
information
they've
given
to
us
council
mclaren.
I
not
ready
to
talk
about
their
past
projects
or
how
they
how
they
have
dealt
with
big
or
small
companies.
To
be
honest,
okay,.
K
With
regards
to
say
a
tourism
impact
here,
I'm
wondering:
is
there
any
mitigation
that
we
can
have?
I
mean
I
can
see
that
there'll
be
a
lot
less
sailing
there'll
be
a
lot
less
tours
on
the
ocean
around
the
lake.
If
there's
no
swimming,
do
we
have
any
estimates
on
anything
that
we
can
do
to
immediately
pass.
A
W
Yeah-
and
I
can't
address
them
specifically,
but
as
part
of
the
federal
government's
proposed
project,
they
do
have
to
do
what's
known
as
a
detailed
impact
assessment
and
that's
not
just
an
assessment
of
environmental
impacts
that
might
occur
because
of
their
proposed
projects,
but
it's
an
assessment
of
the
economic
and
and
social
and
so
forth
types
of
impacts.
So
I
would
expect
that
impacts
to
local
tourism
would
have
to
be
addressed
within
that
detailed
impact
assessment
process.
K
Are
you
aware
if
they
will
also
be
considering
food
security?
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
fish
for
pleasure
and
for
food
in
the
area
and
any
perhaps
legal
detriments
that
we
might
have
as
a
result
of
say,
the
water
heading
into
our
water
supply
like
one
of
those
clouds
that
was
described
getting
into
our
water
supply
and
maybe
hurting
some
people,
because
I
understand
that
council
is
personally
liable
for
that
kind
of
stuff
and
anything
like
that
like
will.
K
They
also
consider
the
fact
that
this
is
coming
from
kingston
when
we
deal
with
our
neighbors
say
both
upstream
and
downstream.
Is
that
kind
of
stuff
that
they're
going
to
consider
or
do
we
have
to
actually
find
that
list
of
all
the
possible
things
that
go
wrong
and
that
we
could
be
held
accountable
for.
K
W
W
They
they
tell
us
that
they're,
probably
at
about
the
30
percent
in
their
design
stage,
so
there's
still
a
lot
of
design
work
still
to
be
done,
whether
or
not
that
includes
as
much
or
any
of
the
dredging
they're
currently
setting
out
so
that
they
can
have
these
early
stakeholder
consultations.
I
don't
know,
but
they've
asked
us,
asked
us
to
participate
in
their
project,
so
I'm
going
to
take
that
at
face
value
and
assume
that
our
our
concerns
are
going
to
be
acknowledged
and
listened
to.
K
F
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor
patterson,
so
the
question
I
have
from
mr
mcclatchy
is
related
to
just
reading
this
again.
So
I'm,
I
guess
I'm
wondering
even
mayor
patterson.
If
we
have
two
problems
here,
do
we
have
the
the
area
that
is
controlled
by
transport,
canada
and
then
we
have
areas
where
we
have
influence
that
are
city-owned
water
lots,
and
so
I
guess
that's.
My
first
question
is:
is
that
possible,
mr
mcclatchy,
that
we
actually
have?
F
W
F
F
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that,
even
though
I
don't
think
there's
such
a
thing
as
an
overreaction
when
it
comes
to
compromising
our
water
supply
and
the
life
of
all
the
all
the
all
the
life
involved
here,
so
I
100
I'm
on
board
with
everyone
here,
but
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
I
I
have
every
I
have
to.
We
have
to
have
some
faith
in
in
in
our
government
that
they
have
the
best
intentions
here
and
we
will
also
guide
them
with
what
we
know
and
with
science.
F
But
I
guess
that's
my
question
is:
will
we
lose
that
opportunity
if
we
don't
execute
this
recommendation,
like
council
support
in
principle?
Well,
no
yeah.
We
may
not
support
in
principle
the
settlement
the
settlement
cleanup,
but
we
want
to
support
engagement
before
we
actually
support
that
council
and
mayor
patterson.
Does
that
make
sense.
F
V
V
F
A
I
I
So
I'm
wondering
if,
if
we
could
actually
refer
this
back
to
staff
for
maybe
some
reworking
in
terms
of
language,
particularly
about
ours,
our
concerns
around
the
dredging
that
that
should
be
clearly
stated
and
that,
as
I
think,
counselor
rooster
off
said,
you
know
we
don't
we're
not
endorsing
this.
We're
we're
endorsing
the
opportunity
to
be
engaged
in
the
in
the
process,
but
the
plan
itself.
A
A
My
apologies,
okay,
you
guys
can
hear
me
now,
okay,
so
to
to
that.
To
that
end,
I
I
I
do
know
that
there's
a
motion
to
defer
that
that
the
next
speaker
on
my
list
wants
to
put
forward
so
so
cancer
hill
or
devon
mayor
hill.
With
your
permission
since
you're
asking
that
question,
I
think
I'll
just
move
on
to
the
next
in
the
next
video.
G
Thank
your
worship,
exactly
counselor
hill
counselor
osterhoff.
You
talked
about
how
we
kind
of
need
more
engagement
right
now
before
we
know.
If
we
can
do
what
the
motion
is
asking
us
to
do,
which
is
to
support
this
idea
in
principle,
a
lot
of
us
were
iffy
going
into
tonight,
and
I
think
after
we
heard
all
the
delegations
tonight
we're
even
more
iffy.
We
need
some
answers
like
I
need
some
answers,
but
we
we've
read
in
the
report.
G
It
could
be
a
municipal
contribution,
maybe
some
in
kind,
but
it
could
be
like
one
million
to
two
million
dollars
contribution
with
transport,
canada
doing
the
rest,
and
I
can't
tonight
say
yeah.
I
support
that
in
principle,
without
hearing
other
answers,
like
we
heard
tonight
that
we
could
have
our
drinking
water
downstream
in
jeopardy,
swimming
fishing,
there's
so
many
things
that
are
up
in
the
air,
and
so
what
my?
I
think
we
need
a
pre-consult
before
transport
canada's
plan
of
doing
consultation
later
on
whether
that
starts
in
july
or
in
2023.
G
I
think
we
need
a
pre-consult
now
to
for
them
to
actually
listen
like
we
don't
even
know
tonight.
If
any
of
them
are
listening
to
this
council
meeting
hearing
the
concerns
that
are
already
out
there,
we
just
don't
know,
and
so
I
do
want
to
propose
a
deferral
and
if
staff
can
put
it
up
and
I'm
looking
for
a
seconder
if
they
could
put
the
wording
up
so.
A
Okay,
so
that's
moved
by
councillor
sanik
seconded
by
council
doherty.
Now
this
is
our
first
stance
to
put
our
new
procedural
bylaw
into
into
play.
So
just
to
remind
council
went
home
that
the
rules
around
emotion,
defer
is
that
you
can
speak
for
up
to
one
minute
with
respect
to
time,
place
or
purpose
cancer
senate.
You
have
the
floor.
If
there's
anything
else,
you'd
like
to
know.
G
J
Thank
you,
your
worship,
counselor
sonic,
I'm
wondering
if
you
would
consider
adding
a
couple
words
about
swimming
in
your
deferral
motion,
because,
with
the
success
of
the
of
the
pier
and
and
the
water
and
the
shoreline
shuffle
and
the
waterfront
projects
that
we've
had
in
the
last
10
years,
it
would
be
a
real
shame
if
swimming
quality
was
affected,
as
suggested
by
professor
jackman.
So
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
add
a
couple
words
about
swimming
in
your
deferral.
A
Like
so
casper's
trout,
so
council,
chad,
I'm
just
I'm
just
looking
at
the
wording
so
you'll-
see
that
the
wording
of
the
emotion
defer
is
that
they'd
be
invited
to
to
to
to
discuss
their
plan
as
they
know
it
today,
including
the
effects.
So
so
I
don't
see
in
this
motion
to
defer
a
need
to
to
be
exhaustive.
G
L
Counselors,
thank
you,
worship.
We
heard
a
lot
of
the
staff
presentation
tonight
talking
about
how
this
is
a
federal
issue
initiated
by
the
federal
government.
So
I'm
wondering
if
it
would
be
amenable
to
the
mover
to
also
include
our
local
representative
to
present
that
committee
to
get
his
perspective
as
a
representative
of
our
community
in
ottawa
at
that
meeting
to
understand
what
he
understands.
L
A
So
that's
your
spell,
so
I'm
just
going
to
jump
in
again,
I'm
just
consulting
with
with
the
clerks
here.
So
once
again,
the
motion
deferred
is
not
exclusive,
in
terms
of
who
else
can
be
invited,
so
what
it
spells
out
that
at
the
very
minimum,
yes,
we
would
invite.
Member
of
transport,
canada,
there's
nothing
that
precludes
us
from
extending
that
invitation
and
the
clerks
have
assured
me
that
that
invitation
will
take
place.
A
X
Great,
thank
you
quick
one.
The
for
staff,
I
guess
the
so
as
we've
heard
a
lot
tonight
about
transport,
can
transport
canada's
involvement
or
or
notification
or
lack
thereof.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if,
given
this
deferral,
if
this
meeting
is
difficult
to
arrange
what
would
be
be,
the
next
step
would
something
come
back
to
council.
W
X
A
J
Y
Thank
you
and
for
your
worship.
We
we've
certainly
started
the
the
rough
draft
of
pulling
that
together,
but
it's
our
intention
for
for
that
to
be
going
as
per
the
clause
to
a
special
meeting
of
heritage
kingston
to
have
that
discussion
so
that
we
can
consult
the
committee
on
some
of
the
specifics
of
the
details
that
will
likely
go
into
the
heritage
easement
agreement.
J
So,
thank
you
and,
and
so
we're
we're
all
aware
of
the
the
facade
the
heritage
facade
of
the
old
capital
theater,
and
then
that
will
be
presumably
part
of
the
discussion,
but
would
is,
is
the
heritage
committee
also,
would
it
be
an
order
for
them?
Is
it
part
of
the
easement
agreement
to
speak
about
the
the
architectural
details
of
the
project
and
the
and
the
impact
on
the
on
the
heritage
of
of
that
location?
Is
that
also
part
of
the
discussion.
Y
Yeah,
thank
you
and
through
you.
So
certainly
you
know
a
heritage.
Easement
agreement
can
have
a
varying
level
of
detail
depending
certainly,
I
would
expect
that
heritage.
Kingston
would
have
some
specific
input
with
respect
to
some
of
the
architectural
details
or
some
of
the
finer
points,
certainly
from
a
staff
perspective.
We
have
the
benefit
of
the
heritage
impact
assessment,
which
also
makes
recommendations
about
the
heritage
easement
agreement.
But
those
are
details
that
we're
still
working
through
now
and
I
would
anticipate
it
would.
It
would
cover
some
of
those
elements
for
sure
cancer
stroke.
J
Okay,
it
just
it's.
It
seems
like
a
like
a
pretty
big
moment
for
the
heritage
committee
in,
in
light
of,
like
the
peer
review
that
we
had
before
about
the
impact
on
the
heritage
and
all
the
public
comments
we've
had
about
the
impact
on
the
heritage
downtown,
so
it
just
seems
like
it's
a
that's
a
big
deal,
a
big
special
meeting
and
an
important
one,
and-
and
I
guess
I
I'm
just
hoping
that
everybody
is
prepared
to
to
produce
some
good
clutch
work
in
in
that
venue.
Thank.
A
A
A
So
there
are
two
clauses
in
report
41
with
anyone
like
them.
Separated,
okay,
see
none
clause,
1
is
approval
of
an
application
for
zoning
by
law.
Amendment
229,
green
bay,
road
and
clause,
2
approval,
an
application
for
official
plan
and
zoning
by
law;
amendment
city-wide,
all
those
in
favor
proposed
and
that's
carried
okay
on
to
report
number
42.
A
Three
sections
of
the
report,
so
I
think
we'll
need
to
deal
with
number
three
separately
because
it's
a
motion
from
the
committee,
so
first
we
will
deal
with
all
the
approvals
under
section
one
and
two.
If
nobody
wants
any
of
those
separated,
we
will
call
vote
on
one
and
two
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carrier.
A
Y
M
So
that's
that's
about
thirty
thousand
dollars
and
we
just
which
is
not
a
huge
sum
when
we're
talking
about
paying
for
staff
and
and
and
hiring
a
new
new
planner.
The
application
fee
is
also
just
across
the
board
for
any
application
correct.
So
if
somebody
does
fairly
minor
type
of
work,
they
would
still
have
to
pay
the
three
hundred
dollars.
M
And
thanks
how
many
times
so
one
of
the
frustrations
since
I've
been
on
the
heritage
committee,
is
that
people
go
ahead
and
do
work
on
their
properties
without
following
the
due
process.
How
many
times
do
we
find
people
when
we're
when
they
actually
go
ahead
without
putting
a
permit
through
the
proper
systems
and
following
the
process.
Y
Thank
you
through
emir
patterson.
Certainly
I
wouldn't
say
the
city
has
a
a
track
record
of
doing
a
lot
of
aggressive
enforcement
related
to
heritage
matters.
It's
something
that
we've
definitely
been
hearing
from
heritage
kingston
and
the
community
a
stronger
desire
to
see
that
going
forward
as
part
of
some
of
the
work
that
we
introduced
in
2020
with
respect
to
the
administrative
monetary
penalties,
and
we
introduced
those
as
part
of
some
of
the
covet
enforcement.
M
M
No,
is
not
not
the
overall
budget
of
the
city,
we're
not
talking
a
huge
amount
for
the
city,
but
it
300
added
to
the
already
extra
cost
for
our
heritage.
Alterations
is
a
lot
of
money
for
individuals,
so
so
really
the
people
are
following
the
right
process
like
kind
of
getting
fine
paying
the
300,
but
the
other
people
who
are
not
following
the
process
are
not
so,
but
you
say
you
use
strong
language
like
prosecution,
but
can
we
can
can
bylaw
officers
not
not
not
find
people
without
huge
prosecutions.
Y
So
we
are
looking
at
opportunities
to
expand
that,
but
it
is
something
that
we
have
to
do
carefully
to
make
sure
that
we're
administering
the
authority
that
we
have
properly,
and
certainly
I
wouldn't
expect
that
it
would
be
any
type
of
fine
system-
would
be
generating
large
amounts
of
money
for
the
municipality.
Because
generally
we
find
people
to
be
quite
compliant.
But
certainly
there
are
some
people
from
time
to
time
that
go
ahead
and
do
work
on
a
property
without
obtaining
permission.
But
it's
not
a
large
number
on
an
annual
basis.
M
M
To
add
to
that
where
the
concern
that
I
have
is
one
is
that
we're
penalizing
people
for
doing
the
right
thing
and
two
is
we
we
adding
to
the
cost
and
maybe
then
people
won't
reconsider
or
maybe
not
do
the
alterations
and
the
the
repair
that
is
needed
to
property
so
yeah.
So
I
I
will
support
the
recommendation.
That's
in
front
of
us
kingston
thanks.
A
D
Y
D
A
A
A
D
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
explanation.
It
doesn't
happen.
Often
I
gotta
say
the
in
this
this
format,
so
is
it
fair
to
say
that
permit
fees
are
generally
meant
to
pay
for
the
cost
of
processing,
or
at
least
abate,
the
overall
cost
of
the
staff
and
the
staffing
and
the
work
that
goes
into
the
permit
process?.
Y
The
same
type
of
thought
process
went
into
the
creation
of
a
fee
related
to
heritage
permits,
it
wouldn't
be
doing
50
cost
recovery
across
the
board,
but
it
would
be
representing
maybe
25
or
30
percent.
The
rest
would
still
be
funded
from
the
tax
base
that
comes
through
our
our
our
budget.
From
from
the
heritage
perspective,
there's
very
minimal
opportunity
to
create
any
revenue
opportunity
for
the
department.
Y
So
as
we
look
to
try
to
grow
a
staff
and
create
additional
resources,
we
have
to
find
ways
to
try
to
facilitate
that
within
the
confines
of
the
budget
parameters
that
are
established
for
us.
So
that's
where
the
fee
came
from
as
as
a
portion
of
cost
recovery,
but
certainly
a
smaller
portion
relative
to
the
overall
cost.
When
you
factor
in
all
of
the
the
staff
time
that
goes
into
the
permitting
process.
D
Y
So
I
put
that
as
a
projected
revenue
line
in
the
2021
budget
that
was
presented
to
council,
but
again
on
the
the
cost
recovery,
the
300
for
smaller
permits
that
might
represent
more
of
like
a
50
cost
recovery,
but
certainly
when
we
get
into
more
complex
applications
that
involve
a
lot
of
additional
detailed
review
and
multiple
times.
Sometimes
at
committee,
there's
a
lot
more
staff
hours
that
go
into
those
types
of
complex
applications.
So
all
applications
are
not
the
same.
D
Y
I
would
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
at
the
numbers,
so
if
you're
looking
at
the
total
cost
associated
with
the
two
heritage
planners
that
we
have
right
now,
plus
a
third
looking
at
their
salaries
plus
benefits,
it
would
be
a
lot
more
than
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
sure
counselor,
but
they're
also
doing
other
work
like
part.
Four
designations
and
policy
work
in
addition
to
the
heritage
permit
work
that
that
they
do
as
well.
D
A
D
A
E
E
I
think
there'll
be
a
lot
more
behind
closed
doors.
Things
happening
in
heritage
and
I
just
want
to
remind
people
that
kingston
was
the
first
community
to
declare
a
heritage
site.
A
heritage
policy
and
the
ontario
government
at
the
time
actually
drew
upon
what
kingston
had
done
in
order
to
to
draw
the
provincial
regulations.
E
Community
and
much
of
our
tourism
and
other
aspects
are
successful,
because
people
recognize
us
as
a
heritage
community
and
I
think
anything
that
disincentivizes
the
either
the
declaring
seeking
heritage
status
or
doing
the
appropriate
thing
is,
I
think,
counterproductive.
So
I
will
support
this
recommendation
from
the
committee.
F
F
Although
I
appreciate
doherty's
comments,
I
because
I
thought
she
asked
the
good
questions
and
then
at
the
end
you
know
said
she
doesn't
support
it,
and
so
I,
though
I
agree
that
came,
we
have
a
lot
to
be
proud
of
as
a
heritage
community.
I
I
think
that
I
I
don't.
I
don't
see
it
and
I
respectfully
all
the
people
that
wrote
letters.
F
You
know,
cost
recovery,
we
are
in
a
pandemic
and
we
all
know
that
we
all
have
to
pay
our
way
and
there's
enough
shortages
throughout
the
budget
everywhere
we
go
that
this
is.
This
is
a
fair
permit.
There
is
the
value
added
by
these
permits
into
those
who
have
heritage.
Homes
is
substantial,
they're,
phenomenal
planners.
They
they
guide
along,
I'm
I
really
enjoy
being
on
heritage
actually,
and
I
I'm
learning
a
lot
and
I'm
impressed
by
the
planning
community
that
contributes
to
something
happening.
F
Well,
so
the
fact
that
we
already
as
taxpayers,
pay
75
of
that
is
something
that
you
know
shows
our
commitment
as
a
as
a
city
where
innovation
and
history
thrive.
So
you
know,
I
think
that
it
I
I
just
can't
support
it.
Myself,
though,
I
really
respect
both
both
views,
and
I
mean
if
we,
if
we
choose
tonight
to
do
that,
we
can
still
have
the
discussion.
I
guess
that's
what
you're
trying
to
say
amir
patterson
to
counselor
hutchinson.
F
J
J
We
have
to
acknowledge
exactly
where
we
are
and
and
and
it
does
go
back
to
as
counselors
neil
mentioned,
the
the
origins
of
the
heritage
act
in
1980.
So
so
kingston
has
this
pride
in
our
heritage
and
we
we
were
doing
something
back.
Then
we
came
up
with
a
framework
and
the
province
liked
it
and
they
and
they
came
up
with
the
heritage
act,
sort
of
modeled
on
it,
as
cancer
neil
said,
but
why?
Why
was
that
done?
J
They
made
enough
sense
at
the
time
to
convince
not
only
here
in
the
city
but
provincially
that
heritage
was
worth
protecting,
that
it
had
a
value
of
its
own,
that
it's
intrinsically
valuable,
and
definitely
that
is
true
here
in
kingston
I
mean
of
anywhere
in
ontario,
it's
probably
most
true
in
kingston,
which
is
maybe
why
it
started
here.
But
but
that
point
it
gets
forgotten
over
and
over
and
over
with
this
kind
of
discussion,
we're
forgetting
that
how
just
how
valuable
that
heritage
is.
J
You
know
we're
proud
to
say
a
lot
of
things
about
kingston,
but
kingston
wouldn't
be
kingston
without
the
heritage
buildings
and
without
the
heritage
protections
we'd
have
a
lot
less
left
that
we
have
right
now
and
even
just
last
year
we
lost
another
building.
You
know
it
so
disincentive,
as
council
o'neill
said
is,
is
a
huge
concern
and
I
agree
with
what
council
rochesteroff
was
saying
about
being
fair,
and
now
the
taxpayer
expects
everybody
to
to
pay
their
share.
J
That's
absolutely
true,
and
I
think
that
equitability
there
is
is,
is
crucial,
so
so
really
bottom
line.
We
need
to
come
up
with
something
other
than
a
flat
300
fee
right.
That
was
a
great
starting
point
for
the
for
the
conversation,
the
point
about
maybe
there
being
a
fee
for
that
expertise
from
the
heritage
planners
is
a
good
idea,
but
it.
J
I'm
sorry!
So
it's
not
that
we
don't
want
people
to
pay
their
share.
It's
that
we
have
committed
to
protect.
What
makes
us
special
and
that
comes
at
a
cost.
Do
we
spread
that
cost
across
all
the
taxpayers
and
cover
everything
and
have
no
fee,
or
do
we
have
a
sliding
scale
kind
of
fee?
As
has
already
been
mentioned?
I
I
think
that's
probably
a
really
good
thing
to
examine.
That's
not
what
we
have
right
now
because
of
what
we
passed
in
november.
J
What
we
have
is
a
flat
300
fee
which
will
have
which
will
incentivize
illegal
heritage.
Applications
for
minor
stuff,
it'll
it'll
contribute
to
the
loss
of
heritage
windows,
the
loss
of
small
heritage
details
because
they
will
go
unnoticed
and
and-
and
we
don't
know
actually
how
much
is
happening
right
now,
because
a
lot
of
it
goes
unreported.
It
only
goes
by
complaint
so
rather
than
mess
with
all
that
and
then
risk
losing
heritage
for
300,
individual
fees.
We
need
to
have
a
discussion
about
how
to
recoup
some
of
that
cost.
J
What
is
the
heritage
grant
situation?
What
can
we
get
from
the
federal
government?
And
so
on?
Can
we
can
we
maybe
increase
revenues
from
from
from
the
higher
levels
of
government
to
protect
heritage
and
what
that
looks
like,
so
all
of
that
requires
it
requires
us
to
reconsider,
because
right
now
we've
got
a
flat
fee.
So
so
you
may
partially
agree
with
cancer
ulcerhoff,
but
that
doesn't
mean
you
don't
reconsider.
J
J
I
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
committee
at
the
moment,
but
I
do
understand
the
issues
having
been
chair
for
four
years,
and
I
do
encourage
all
of
you
to
support
this
and
to
be
willing
to
have
a
discussion
without
any
foregone
conclusions
about
what
we
should
be
doing
to
both
incentivize
the
protection
of
heritage
or
not
disincentivize
it
and
also
increase
revenues
to
to
try
to
achieve
some
kind
of
cost
recovery,
because
it
is
time
consuming
work.
Unfortunately,
a
lot
of
that
it
comes
from
the
very
nature
of
protecting
heritage.
N
The
year
we're
shipping
through
you
just
listening
to
all
the
conversations
here,
it
seems
like
everybody's
made
some
some
very
good
points.
We
don't
want
to
disincentivize
heritage,
caretakers
or
people
who
are
willing
to
put
their
money
forward
on
one
hand.
On
the
other
hand,
if
you
own
a
heritage,
property
and
three
hundred
dollars
is
going
to
make
or
break
the
bank,
then
it's
like,
so
I
see
both
of
it.
N
I
do
think
that
council
stroud
hit
the
hit
on
a
key
theme
there,
which
is
we
need
to
come
up
with
some
type
of
sleeping
skills.
So
just
a
quick
question
to
staff,
because
if
we
were
to
hypothetically
reconsider
this
and
pause
or
do
away
with
the
300,
what
did
that
reconsideration
look
like
and
how
much
time
would
be
needed
to
come
up
with
this
last
day
I
heard
a
little
bit
before
about
coven
and
limited
resources.
N
Y
So
it's
a
matter
of
whether
or
not
it's
essential
to
counsel
that
that
happened
within
the
next
like
the
remaining
eight
months
of
the
year
or
whether
council
is
okay
to
leave
it.
The
way
that
it
is
right
now
and
then
receive
some
different
information
with
some
options
going
into
the
next
budget.
That
would
have
more
consideration
of
the
sliding
scale
like
we're
talking
about
tonight.
N
Thank
you
for
trying,
so
it
sounds
like
we
basically
have
the
options
before
us
that
everybody's
looking
for
and
discussing
it's
just
a
matter
of.
Do
we
want
to
try
and
reconsider
this
and
have
a
rush
job
or
do
we
want
to
wait
the
seven
or
eight
months
and
then
have
the
public
input
and
all
the
discussion
we've
had
here
tonight
built
into
the
recommendation.
That's
going
to
come
back
when
the
schedule
comes.
N
Debating
whether
we
want
it
in
three
months
or
eight
months,
it
sounds
like
we're
going
to
get
a
better
product
if
we
wait
the
fully
to
better
understand
and
give
your
staff,
let's
not
forget,
we're
we're
still
in
the
middle
of
a
pandemic,
so
I
mean
there
are.
There
are
a
lot
of
other
priorities
there.
So
with
that
being
said,
it's
not
that
I'm
against
having
the
conversation.
I
just
believe
that
the
motion
to
reconsider
right
now
is
to
do
something
which
is
naturally
going
to
occur
anyways.
X
We
don't
have
those
conversations
about
incentive
versus
disincentives
for
someone
to
go
and
spend
nearly
600
to
use
artillery
park.
So
I
think
those
conversations
are
best
had
at
the
staff
level
and
recommendations
come
forward,
and
then
we
we
decide
at
that
time
and
and
if,
if
we
allow
that
to
happen,
we
can
review
all
of
those
options
at
a
later
date.
I
really
don't
think
it's
you
know
again.
X
Maybe
this
is
not
a
great
analogy,
but
I
don't
think
that
we're
saying
that
we
don't
value
heritage
by
ensuring
that
there
is
some
cost
recovery
similar
to
the
fees
charged
at
artillery
park.
It
is
about
cost
recovery.
It's
not
that
we
don't
value
people
having
physical
activity,
so
I
think
I
well
certainly
will
not
be
supporting
reconsideration
and
do
hope
to
to
see
the
results
of
these
conversations
more
consistent
with
other
fees
that
we
look
at
as
a
whole.
A
A
A
G
Z
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
mr
mccloud
may
also
want
to
to
jump
into
this
one,
but
the
kingston
economic
development
is
it's.
It's
a
separate
organization,
the
same
way
that
tourism
kingston
is
a
separate
organization,
so
they
have
their
own
bylaws
to
govern
their
organization
and
they
do
have
the
ability
to
make
changes
to
their
bylaws.
They
do
not
require
council
approval
to
change
their
bylaws,
but
they
do
require
obviously
approval
at
their
agm.
Z
AA
Thank
you
through
your
worship,
the
relationship
city
council
and
the
corporation.
The
city
has,
with
the
various
agencies
board
and
commission
differs
and
historically
kenko
has
been
one
which
the
city
council
does
not
serve
as
member
or
shareholder.
Unlike
other
corporations,
the
rules
in
terms
of
picking
the
directors
have
changed
from
time
to
time,
but
the
key
relationship
we
have
as
it's
organized
now
and
organized
now
will
be
more
so
in
the
future
is,
as
you
say,
counselor
neil
through
the
budget
process.
AA
It
is
a
process
which
will
come
up
on
an
annual
basis
and
in
and
ceo
hurdle
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
in
december
2020
we
entered
into
a
agreement
with
kedco
that
has
a
discussion
of
service
levels
and
annual
budget
confirmations,
and
that
is,
I
believe,
a
five-year
contract
that
covers
the
topics
of
what
they
will
do
and
what
a
budget
will
be
allocated,
so
that
contract
also
has
a
termination
clause.
So
there
are.
AA
E
I
A
Z
AA
Z
L
A
Z
R
R
L
R
L
L
A
L
L
AB
AB
L
This
last
year,
where
there
was
a
lot
of
criticism
on
the
selection
for
the
members
by
the
committee
from
the
nominations
committee
and
then
having
having
a
redo
and
my
question
is:
will
there
be
consideration
for
gender
parity,
ethnic
diversity,
cultural
sensitivities
in
your
selection
process,
because
that
was
one
of
the
criticisms
of
the
committee's
work.
Last
class
term.
AB
J
Question
to
any
of
the
edo
representatives
here
present,
so
at
that
discussion,
when
this
resolution
was
passed
that
we're
learning
of
now
in
reference
to
what
council
chappelle
was
just
talking
about
about
the
last
nominations,
process
that
that
happened
for
this
last
year.
That
will
no
longer
happen,
as
things
will
no
longer
be
coming
to
nominations.
Was
there
any
reference
to
in
the
discussion
when
this,
when
the
hr
committee
made
this
recommendation
about
the
difficulty
described,
the
difficulties
described
by
councillor
chapelle
with
the
last
nominations
process
at
the
city
nominations.
AB
AB
J
J
There
was
consternation
both
in
the
community
and
presumably
at
the
board,
and
the
request
came
back
to
to
have
through
one
of
your
directors
that
sits
on
council
to
have
another
process
to
vote
again
on
the
nominees.
So,
basically
the
redo
that
counselor
chapelle
was
talking
about
the
fact
that
that
happened
was
that
disgust
was
that
part
of
the
rationale
that
that
that
was
behind
the
recommendation
from
the
hr
committee
to
change
the
structure.
AB
Again
through
year,
my
protestant,
the
the
certainly
that
that
caused
some
discussion
at
the
board
level,
because
again,
when
we
have
a
robust
process
where
we're
looking
at
trying
to
recruit
specific
skill
sets
the
people
around
that
table
when
we
meet
understand
where
we're
going
and
what
we
already
have
around
the
table.
So
it's
very
difficult
for
an
outside
committee
to
have
that
information
and
to
make
similar
decisions.
AB
I
think
it
was
just
a
realization
that
there
was
a
bit
of
a
disconnect
between
the
two,
with
with
our
recommendations
and
the
committee's
decisions
or
and
and
then
we,
we
sort
of
looked
at
okay.
How
can
we
make
this
process
more
fluid
more
flexible
for
the
organization
to
recruit?
The
skill
sets
that
we
need
to
move
our
mandate
forward.
J
Yes,
my
my
final
question
is
in
that,
in
those
same
discussions
both
at
the
hr
committee
and
at
the
board
when
they
made
the
recommendations
was
there
is,
would
you
say
there
is
a
clear
understanding
of
of
the
democratic
cost
of
having
this
new
process
and
not
having
your
the
elected,
the
city
representatives?
Making
those
decisions
through
the
nominations
committee,
like
the
city
nominations
committee,
was:
was
that
sacrifice
the
side?
The
democratic
sacrifice
discussed
at
all.
A
AB
AB
The
inter
integrated
economic
development
strategy
is
a
shared
mandate,
a
shared
goal.
As
I've
already
stated,
we
have
city
representation
on
the
board
and
in
all
our
subcommittees,
including
the
hr
nominations
committee.
So
it's
certainly
not
our
intent
to
to
upset
our
our
main
funder
and
I'm
hoping
that
that
won't
be
the
outcome
of
this.
D
D
AB
AB
The
the
point
of
this
is
simply
to
by
removing
ourselves
from
the
nominations
to
the
nominations.
Committee
process
is
just
efficient
governance
and
it's
not
in
any
way
intended
to
create
moral
leeway.
It's
simply
allowing
us
to
do
our
job
and
to
move
the
organization
forward
and
with
the
flexibility
we
need
to
have
the
board
skills
that
are
required
to
move
our
mandate
forward.
It's
that's
the
only
reason
for
this.
I
A
D
A
N
You're
worshiping
through
you,
I
guess
this
would
be
a
question
to
stuff.
It
actually
follows
up
a
little
bit
with
what
I
believe
counselor
was
trying
to
get
to,
and
I
do
completely
understand
the
intent
which
was
to
streamline
the
process
and
attempt
to
fill
gaps
in
in
expertise
that
may
exist
on
the
board
when
other
board
members
leave
due
to
their
term
expiring.
N
I
guess
my
question
then
would
be
is
we
are
going
to
get
comments
and
questions,
and
probably
some
outrage
from
community
members
when
we
hear
about
this
depending
on
how
it
appears
in
the
media,
so
whom
should
we
point
those
people
to
when
they
inevitably
come
to
us
asking
those
hard
questions
of?
How
did
we
arrive
here
and,
depending
on
the
spin
that's
put
on
it?
It
could
be
perceived
that
it's
now
turning
into
a
lack
of
oversight
when
the
community
is
probably
more
aware
of
ever
that
they
want
increased
oversight.
R
Fast,
this
question
answer
mayor
patterson
through
you.
I
would
be
happy
for
any
counselor
or
city
staff
to
direct
inquiries
directly
to
myself,
either
email
or
my
cell
phone
number,
and
I
can
triage
them
as
some
individuals
may
want
to
speak
to
the
volunteer
board,
chair
or
other
members
of
the
board.
But
I'd
be
happy
to
be
the
the
first
point
of
contact
to
to
help
answer
or
triage.
N
M
C
M
Appreciate
that
my
question
is
about,
and-
and
I
know
you've
already
answered
this
and
I'm
not
sure
if
I
understand
it,
how
how
did
this
come
to
be
just
an
information
only
report
like
how
come
we
were
what
about
the
democratic
process,
and
why
were?
How?
Could
it
be
that
we
were
shut
out
in
this
particular
discussion?
If
we're
not
it's
an
information,
only
we
can
only
ask
questions.
Z
Thank
you,
and
through
mr
mayor,
so
mr
mccloud
may
want
to
jump
in
here
as
well,
but
just
from
a
a
procedural
perspective
on
cancer
dorothy,
the
ketco
has
the
ability
to
manage
its
own
bylaw
and
it
does
not
require
council's
approval
counsel
as
a
whole.
Having
said
that,
there
are
obviously
members
of
council
that
do
sit
on
the
board
that
you
know
are
involved
in
those
conversations.
Z
AA
The
club,
I
would
just
add
or
clarify
again
that's
the
result
of
city
council,
not
being
the
membership
or
the
shareholder
of
this
corporation,
so
the
unlike
many
of
the
other
corporations
involved
with
the
city.
This
one
doesn't
have
council
oversight
in
the
same
way
that
the
agm
sits
at
a
council
meeting
and
council
votes
to
approve
things
done
by
boards
of
director.
In
this
case
this
corporation,
that
is
managed
separately.
K
Mclaren,
thank
you.
I'm
gonna
say
something
that
might
not
be
too
popular
among
counselors,
but
I
do
believe
that
part
of
the
problem
here
was
the
the
nominations.
Committee
of
the
city
was
a
little
dysfunctional
on
some
of
these
files
in
the
last
little
while,
and
I
can
see
why
I
would
want
to
remove
them,
because
so
in
many
cases
they
weren't
looking
at
it.
So
I
do
have
two
questions
and
I'm
having
a
little
bit
of
a
pre
preamble.
If
that's
all
right
with
you.
K
A
L
Yes,
your
worship,
I
take
offense
to
the
insinuation
that
there
was
a
malice
in
the
committee's
approach.
The
committee
was
disappointed.
We
didn't
have
choice
to
choose
from
in
in
the
way
it
was
presented.
So
I
I
take
offense
to
that.
We
were
not
dysfunctional.
We
do.
We
took
our
job
very
seriously.
A
Okay,
so
I
I
am
the
chair,
so
first
of
all
my
willing,
that's
not
a
point
of
order.
That
would
be
a
point
of
privilege
if
you
felt
that
there
was
something
that
was
speaking
to
motive
or
was
otherwise
set
aside.
So
so
I
didn't,
I
didn't
see
anything
that
council
mclaren
had
said
that
crossed
that
line,
but
I
will
just
say
to
council
mclaren,
please
just
be
careful
in
your
comments
again
to
be
professional
and
not
to
speak,
emotive,
it's
the
against
the
nomination
committee
or
any
other
member
of
council
council
mclaren.
A
K
A
K
R
Through
you,
mayor
patterson,
and
I
will
defer
to
my
board
chair
jillian,
I
can't
say
we
went
through
a
very
thorough
review
in
terms
of
operations
and
governance
in
2016..
I
believe
you
were
a
chair
of
that
process.
Actually,
counselor
mclaren,
I
believe
we
completely
changed
the
organization
in
a
positive
way
in
terms
of
the
structure
the
budget
allocation.
R
AB
AB
Everything
is
you
know
is
over,
has
a
lot
of
oversight
and
probably
more
than
I've
ever
seen
in
any
organization
that
I've
had
the
privilege
to
be
a
board.
Member
of
so
I
think,
we've
we've
learned
a
great
deal,
but
more
than
the
learning
we've
we've
used
that
to
move
ourselves
forward
and
become
a
very
vibrant
organization.
That's
future
focused.
K
AB
I
I
don't
know,
that's
an
interesting
question.
I
certainly
would
have
to
mull
that
one
over
come
back
to
the
fold.
Is
that
what
you're
saying
counselor
clara,
I'm
not
sure,
but
but
it
it?
I
think
we
just.
We
just
feel
like
it's
an
additional
step.
That's
not
necessary
to
the
efficient
running
of
an
organization
like
ours,.
A
Okay,
we
will
move
on.
We
have
no
other
information
reports.
We
have
no
information
reports
from
members
of
council
miscellaneous
business.
We
have
two
motions:
first,
moved
by
councillor
sanik
seconded
by
councillor
doherty,
that
is
requested
by
marianne
gagnon.
Save
your
skin
foundation.
Council
proclaim,
may
2021
as
melanoma
and
skin
cancer
awareness
month
in
kingston
number
two
removed
by
councilor
hutchison
seconded
by
council
mclaren
that
the
resignation
of
andrea
sepersed
from
the
arts
advisory
committee
be
received
with
regret,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
cured.