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City Council Meeting meeting from January 22, 2019. For the full meeting agenda visit http://bit.ly/2VFW6lF
B
B
A
C
Declarations
this
evening
the
first
is
I
marry
two
Hollander,
the
Council
of
the
corporation
of
the
City
of
Kingston
declare
my
pecuniary
interest
within
the
matter
of
the
briefing
with
respect
to
Queens
University
initiatives
as
I
am
employed
by
Queens
University
and
the
second
is
I
married,
a
Holland
of
the
Council
of
the
city
of
the
corporation.
The
City
of
Kingston
declare
my
bikini
interest
in
a
matter
of
information
report
number
seven
with
respect
to
the
Juniper
cafe
lease
update
as
I
share,
custody
and
property
with
the
chair
of
the
tech
board.
D
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
so
seeing
no
other
disclosures,
we
will
move
on.
We
have
no
presentations
this
evening.
We
have
no
delegations,
but
we
do
have
a
number
of
briefings.
First,
Craig
Desjardin,
director
strategy,
innovation
and
partnership
will
provide
introductory
remarks:
introduce
Daniel,
wolf,
Principal
and
Vice
Chancellor
at
Queen's
University
to
provide
a
briefing
with
respect
to
Queens,
University
and
initiatives.
They
have
underway.
E
E
Principal
wolf
has
been
an
extraordinary
champion
in
building
the
strong
relationship
between
our
two
organizations
towards
our
common
goal
of
both
community
and
economic
development
and,
ultimately
making
the
lives
of
our
citizens.
Better
I
will
now
invite
principal
wolf
to
come
forward
and
provide
a
briefing
with
respect
to
Queens
University
and
a
work
underway.
F
Thank
you,
your
worship
and
thank
you
very
much
Craig
for
that
introduction
good
evening.
Everybody.
It's
a
pleasure
to
be
back
again
or
here
for
the
first
time
with
Kingston's,
new
City
Council
and
to
begin
I'd
like
to
offer
my
congratulations
to
all
of
you.
Congratulations!
You
worship,
on
your
reelection
and
to
all
counselors,
both
re-elected
and
newly
elected,
now,
I'm
sure
you've
all
been
very,
very
busy
in
your
roles
and
working
very,
very
hard
to
serve
the
Kingston
community.
F
We
have
managed
its
bills
despite
a
few
rocky
issues,
one
or
two
of
which
persist
tonight,
I'd
like
to
speak
briefly
about
the
Queen's
Kingston
relationship
and
our
commitment
to
working
together
to
chart
the
best
path
forward
for
this
community
I,
and
indeed
the
entire
senior
administration
of
Queens
highly
value,
our
partnership
with
the
city,
and
we
want
to
remain
steadfast
partners
over
the
next
four
years
of
this
council
and
beyond.
As
you
know,
the
Queen's
Kingston
relationship
is
one
that
is
intertwined,
particularly
as
Queens
footprint
across
the
city
has
expanded.
F
Beyond
what
was
the
westernmost
edge
of
the
city
in
1841,
we
have
a
physical
presence
that
touches
nearly
all
areas.
Our
main
campus
is
located
in
Signum
district
West
Campus
is
found
in
Portsmouth
innovation
park
lands
are
in
Kings,
Court
Rito
to
reactor
materials.
Testing
lab
is
in
loyalist
Catterick.
We
and
the
Queen's
law
clinics
and
family
health
team
are
in
downtown
our
downtown
and
Kingston
district
and
Queens
students,
faculty
and
staff,
along
with
their
families,
live
across
the
city's
urban
and
countryside
districts.
F
I
think
many
residents
enjoy
the
variety
of
opportunities
and
publicly
accessible
facilities
that
accompany
an
institution
such
as
Queens,
for
example,
facilities
such
as
the
Isabel
Bader
Center
for
the
Performing
Arts,
the
Agnes
Etherington
Art
Center,
the
libraries,
the
Athletics
of
rec
center,
the
employment
opportunities,
the
community
music
program
and
countless
summer
camps.
Lessons
and
PA
day
activities
for
kids
and
sporting
events
such
as
football
and
hockey
camps.
I
am,
however,
also
aware
that
there
are
challenges
and
difficult
conversations
that
we
need
to
have
to
move
forward
on
some
issues.
F
We
do
need
to
keep
the
communications
channels
open
and
proceed
in
such
a
manner
that
is
respectful
of
all
partners
and
with
all
that
said,
I
think
in
recent
years,
as
crate
desert
haven't
mentioned,
there
have
been
many
examples
of
increased
cooperation
and
partnership
between
Queens
of
the
city.
One
of
the
most
recent
examples
is
the
University
District
Safety
Initiative,
on
which
we
have
joined
forces
to
tell
students
and
the
community
that
unlawful
behavior
carries
consequences.
F
Another
example
of
a
project
that
gained
traction
during
the
past
few
years
is
the
Kingston
immigration
partnership,
which
works
to
provide
leadership
in
a
community
to
attract
integrate,
chant,
retain
newcomers
to
the
region.
Queens
was
involved
in
this
project
from
day
one
through
our
staff,
member
Monica
Stewart
and
later
through
our
commitment
to
report
annually.
F
On
institutional
activities
related
to
the
partnerships,
strategic
plan
during
my
tenure
been
pleased
to
see
the
evolution
of
the
Queen's
and
Kingston
relationship,
one
that
encompasses
a
broader
vision
of
our
shared
responsibility
for
the
economic
prosperity
of
our
city
and
our
region
and
Queens
will
continue
to
solidify
its
role
as
a
regional
leader
in
talent,
development
and
then
supporting
entrepreneurs
in
Kingston.
We
have
many
opportunities
further
to
enhance
our
cooperation
locally
and
within
the
broader
region.
I
would
encourage
everyone
to
be
active
participants
now
I
know.
F
Some
of
you
may
well
be
wondering
about
the
recent
news
from
Queens
Park,
but
the
10
percent
tuition
cut
and
how
that
may
affect
our
enrollment
I
would
say
it's
very
early
days
yet
and
obviously
we're
looking
at
all
angles.
I
would
say
that
we
are
subject
to
some
limits
on
our
growth,
in
particular
the
official
corridor
system,
on
enrollment
imposed
by
the
province
of
Ontario,
and
on
top
of
that,
a
self-imposed
cap
on
enrollment.
F
That
is
the
of
which
the
limiting
factor
is
our
ability
to
offer
a
guarantee
of
residence
to
all
qualified
first-year
students
to
request
a
residence
room.
We
are
also
very
sensitive
to
the
challenges
that
the
city
is
currently
facing
in
terms
of
its
vacancy
rates,
and
this
is
of
interest,
because
we
are
in
the
midst
of
hiring
a
large
number
of
new
faculty
members
who
will
buy
homes,
rent
condos,
put
their
children
at
schools
and
put
down
roots.
F
We
have
had
conversations
with
developers
to
come
up
with
creative
solutions
to
accommodate
upper
year,
students
and
others
caught
in
the
housing
crunch
and
Kingston,
and
we'll
continue
to
work
with
the
city
on
this
issue,
including
participating
in
the
Central
Kingston
growth
and
infill
strategy
community
working
group.
It's
my
understanding
that
mayor
Paterson
will
be
forming
a
new
housing
task
force
to
help
find
new
potential.
New
solutions
for
this
and
Queens
will
be
very
pleased
to
be
included
in
this
process.
F
I'd
also
like
to
thank
city
staff
for
their
commitment
that
effort
and
working
with
Queens
on
an
annual
basis
for
some
of
our
significant
events,
such
as
move
into
orientation
week
and
homecoming
over
the
coming
months
beyond
I'd
like
to
encourage
all
of
you
to
contact
cleans
at
any
time.
Whether
through
me,
in
my
office
or
through
our
government
and
institutional
relations
office,
our
doors
are
always
open.
F
Patrick
Dean,
the
current
president
of
McMaster
University,
will
be
rejoining
Queens
in
July.
To
succeed
me
as
principal
and
I
know,
he
looks
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you.
Patrick
is
no
stranger
to
Kingston.
He
was
vice
principal
academic
at
Queen's
for
five
years
overlapping
with
my
term
as
principal.
He
is
fully
aware
of
both
the
issues
and
the
opportunities
that
are
part
of
the
Queens
and
Kingston
relationship,
I'm,
absolutely
confident
that,
under
his
leadership,
the
university
and
relationship
with
the
city
will
be
in
excellent
hands.
G
Thank
you,
mayor,
Paterson
and
through
you,
Thank
You
principal
for
your
presentation
and
for
your
time,
I
queens,
I'm,
wondering
if
you
could
offer
council
your
perspective
on
what
we
could
do
as
a
city
to
retain
students.
What
can
we
do
to
keep
the
students
who
come
to
Queens
in
Kingston
for
the
long
term
that.
F
F
There
are
many
things
to
commend
Kingston,
including
just
a
fantastic
place,
to
live
and
put
down
roots,
lovely
region,
affordable
and
so
forth.
What
we
lack
is
the
big
employers
for
the
most
part
that
they
will
find
in
Toronto
or
Montreal
or
bigger
cities.
That
I
think
has
actually
begun
to
change
a
bit
with
the
attraction
of
some
recent
recent
businesses
to
Kingston
through
I
think
efforts
of
the
city
we
in
collaboration
with
the
University
and,
of
course,
st.
F
We
would
need
a
new
residence
now,
even
if
we
did
not
actually
admit
any
new
students.
We
still
have
some
students,
who
are
you
know:
double
rooms,
triple
room
scent
and
so
forth.
So
we
are
in
the
very
early
stages
of
looking
to
build
or
bring
in
the
business
case,
to
our
Board
of
Trustees
for
a
new
residence.
So
I
wouldn't
look
for
shovels
in
the
ground
this
year.
A
There
any
other
questions
well
principal
wolf
on
behalf
of
City
Council
I,
want
to
thank
you
for
your
leadership
over
the
last
nine
and
a
half
years,
and
we've
come
a
long
way,
I
think
in
our
relationship
between
the
city
in
the
university
and
look
forward
to
many
great
years
ahead.
I
think
you've
laid
the
right
foundation.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
your
worship,
okay.
I
So
tonight
we're
going
to
share
the
results
of
a
year-long
community
process
to
establish
key
community
indicators
that
reflect
the
quality
life
in
the
community
and
as
well
as
sustainable
Kingston,
will
speak
to
being
a
partner
in
that
steering
committee
and
how
they're
going
to
champion
the
community
indicators
as
we
move
forward.
So
why
do
we
need
community
indicators?
Community
indicators
provide
information
about
the
well-being
of
a
community.
I
They
show
the
progress,
the
community's
making
towards
its
vision
of
becoming
a
vibrant
and
prosperous
place
to
live
indicators
or
high-level,
objective
and
policy
neutral,
presenting
fact
and
descriptions
rather
than
explanations
by
describing
the
what
quality
indicators
prompt
people
to
question.
Why
which
can
lead
to
improved
NASA's
accountability
and
policy
change
in
Kingston?
We
currently
have
multiple
lists
of
indicators
in
the
community,
such
as
within
the
city
of
Kingston,
the
NGOs
institutions,
etc.
However,
there
is
no
consistent
indicator
list
supported
by
all
the
various
stakeholders.
I
The
steering
committee
was
established
and
formed
in
2017
and
it's
a
representation,
as
you
can
see
from
the
list
here,
a
cross-section
of
community
organizations
to
help
identify
the
indicators.
The
city,
then,
in
partnership
with
sustainable
Kingston,
convened
the
conversation
with
the
community
partners
to
gather
expertise
and
to
provide
guidance
on
the
indicators
that
are
valuable
to
measure
for
the
City
of
Kingston.
I
The
project
scope,
I've,
just
briefly
go
over
how
we
got
to
tonight.
We
certainly
we
had
phase
1,
which
was
our
research.
We
pulled
together.
Our
steering
committee,
which
I
just
discussed
our
phase
2,
is
the
selection
of
the
indicators.
So,
with
all
the
expertise
from
the
different
organisations
and
groups,
we
pulled
together
a
preliminary
group
of
indicators
which
we
then
took
out
to
a
stakeholder
group
which
I'll
show
to
you
in
a
moment
and
we
serve
them
to
see
what
was
relevant
to
all
these
different
stakeholders.
I
We
then
went
back
finalised
those
indicators
and
came
back
to
the
public
with
another
survey
and
a
public
meeting
to
confirm
and
to
obtain
additional
information,
and
then
we
finally
finalized
Sakina
indicators
that
we
will
present
tonight
from
here.
We
will
prepare
a
communication
plan
working
with
sustainable
Kingston.
We
will
communicate
this
to
the
public,
we'll
be
posting
on
the
city's
website
and
as
we
go
from
year
to
year,
we
will
bring
back
a
report
to
Council
with
respect
to
the
the
maintenance
plan
and
how
we
are
reporting
out
on
each
year.
I
So,
as
you
can
see,
we've
had
we
had
a
number
of
stakeholders
that
we
surveyed
throughout
the
community.
They
were
consulted,
as
I
said,
the
draft
indicator
lists.
The
results
were
then
embedded
through
the
the
steering
committee
and
we
went
back
again
to
the
public
and
back
to
the
steering
committee
for
a
final
look
and
finalization
of
the
indicators
through
this
survey
and
through
the
public
received
over
one
hundred
and
three
responses
and
comments
with
respect
to
the
indicators
prior
to
finalizing.
I
So
how
do
we
choose
the
indicators?
As
I've
indicated,
we
worked
with
the
steering
committee
and
we
worked
towards
one
general
list
of
indicators
that
is
supported
and
utilized
by
all
the
stakeholders
in
the
community.
It
became
a
very
difficult
task
at
times,
because
we
wanted
everybody
to
think
what
is
a
indicator
that
is
measurable
and
what
is
an
indicator
that
is
relevant
to
the
community
at
large
and
not
to
an
individual
stakeholder
group.
I
So
here
before
you
is
the
snapshot
of
our
community
indicators.
It's
a
quality
of
life
assessment
tool
that
reports
out
on
projected
population
projections
or
indicators
and
there's
five
categories:
the
community
context,
prosperous
city,
healthy
and
green,
safe
and
vibrant
communities
and
vulnerable
populations.
The
infographic
shown
here
today
shows
the
most
current
data
available.
Some
is
from
the
2016
census,
while
other
data
is
sourced
from
the
various
agencies
and
groups
within
the
city
for
either
2017
and
2018
we're
available.
The
provincial
average
has
also
been
included
where
that
was
available.
I
The
snapshot
will
be
reviewed
annually
and
updated
with
available
data
from
the
previous
year,
where
that
is
becomes
available
and
comparables
with
communities
that
tracks
similar
indicators
will
be
included
in
our
annual
update.
This
regular
checklist
will
illustrate
how
Kingston
as
a
community
is
doing
along
with
the
infographic.
J
Thank
you,
so
I
wanted
to
speak
a
little
bit
about
why
the
community
indicators
are
valuable
to
community
organizations
such
as
sustainable
Kingston.
For
those
of
you
who
are
unfamiliar
with
sustainable
Kingston,
we
are
a
nonprofit
organization
that
is
dedicated
to
increasing
sustainability
and
resiliency
of
Kingston
through
programs
and
information
sharing.
J
The
next
one
I
wanted
to
bring
up
was
the
GHG
reduction
target
and
one
of
our
biggest
programs
as
sustainable
Kingston
is
the
sorries
the
green
economy
program,
and
we
have
31
business
members
in
Kingston
that
are
part
of
that
program
and
together
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
they
have
reduced
twenty
1571
tonnes
of
carbon
that
suit
Cleveland
of
taking
4619
cars
off
the
road
for
the
entire
year
in
2019.
We
are
hoping
to
triple
our
membership
in
that
program
and
I'd
really
like
to
see
where
that
metric
ends
up
in
2019.
J
Finally,
public
transportation
usage,
so
sustainable
Kingston
is
a
champion
for
the
commuter
sorry
commuter
challenge.
We
host
the
rollin
breakfasted
market
square
in
2018.
The
Mayor
was
there
as
well
as
lots
of
media,
and
just
last
week
we
partnered
with
transit
for
the
climate
change
symposium,
where
anyone
who
was
headed
to
the
symposium
and
had
their
ticket
to
show
the
bus
driver
could
get
a
free
ride
to
and
from
the
event.
J
J
We
really
use
the
community
indicators
as
a
report
card
of
our
progress
in
the
community
and
they
give
us
a
better
idea
of
the
state
that
our
community
is
in.
They
drive
communication
about
our
community
strengths
and
weaknesses,
and
it
really
brings
people
together
to
discuss
ways
that
we
can
take
action.
The
information
helps
see
our
focus
as
sustainable
Kingston
towards
areas
of
concern
and
ensures
that
we're
on
the
right
track.
It
provides
us
with
information
that
validates
the
effectiveness
of
our
programs,
as
you
can
see,
and
at
sustainable
Kingston.
J
K
K
So
if
we
could
reduce
the
font
and
add,
maybe
the
number
of
trees
that
were
planted
in
Kingston-
and
you
know
like
use
next
year's
as
the
baseline
and
then
the
year
after
it
could
be.
You
know,
plus
two
hundred
trees
or
a
five
percent
increase,
just
keep
track
of
that.
Just
as
one
example,
that
would
be
great
just
wondered
what
your
opinion
was.
If
we
could
work
towards
that,
have.
I
Three
year,
you
worship.
Yes,
we
certainly
can
do
that.
The
intention
of
the
steering
committee
was
to
to
reassemble
each
year
and
to
insure
that
the
indicators
that
we
are
using
are
irrelevant
and
certainly
to
look
at
adding
and
providing
that
comparison
between
the
different
indicators
as
well.
Thank
you,
Cancer.
A
L
I
L
C
Your
worship
and
through
you
thank
you
for
this
really
excellent
information
displayed
beautifully.
I
have
a
question
about
the
vulnerable
populations
section
as
well:
the
percentage
of
households
experiencing
food
insecurity,
seven
points
percent,
and
then
we
have
fourteen
point.
Eight
percent
of
the
population
are
living
in
poverty,
I'm
just
curious
about
the
how
those
numbers
correspond
based
on
your
interactions.
I
Through
you
in
the
worship,
the
food
security
or
specific
questions,
so
the
poverty
line
is
specific
to
a
dollar
amount
where
the
food
security
is.
Have
you
risk
food?
Is
it
food
security
or
is
it
an
honorable
to
food
so
there
those
are
questions
that
are
not
related
to
or
correlate
to.
They
do
two
different
ones
so
self.
N
Very
interesting
presentation,
thank
you
very
much
on
the
vulnerable
population
sector
as
well.
One
factor
that
I'd
be
interested
in
monitoring
would
be
the
capacity
for
seniors
to
pay
to
remain
in
their
homes,
so
their
capacity
of
their
fixed
incomes
versus
the
amount
to
pay
in
property
taxes
to
know
an
affordability
index
before
we
start
forcing
these
seniors
out
of
their
homes.
I
H
You
or
ship
to
you
just
a
question:
I
see
that
it
when
you're,
estimating
the
median
after-tax
income
for
individuals,
was
there
a
decision
there
to
do
that
instead
of
having
before
tax
income
reason,
I
asked
that
is,
that's
usually
more
relatable
for
more
people.
If
you
have
the
before
tax
income,
it
varies
on
what
you're
trying
to
measure
and
family
income
like
when
you're
I
have
no
objection
to
putting
that
in
I'm.
I
You
know,
worship,
we
have
a
very
lengthy
discussion
on
that
one
particular
indicator.
There
were
from
our
steering
committee.
There
was
ones
that
wanted
to
route
do
the
reporting
from
before
tax
and
we,
as
you
can
see,
we
decided
on
the
one
after
tax.
As
the
rationale
was
that's
the
money
that
people
have
left
over
to
be
able
to
spend
in
the
community.
So
that's
why
we
use
that
indicator
specifically,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
around
that
one
indicator.
D
You
and
I
realized
my
father,
a
statistician,
there's
no
end
to
the
questions
that
are
raised
by
a
set
of
variables
that
you
put
in
front
of
us
and
especially
when
they're
nice,
attractive
fonts,
but
but
in
on
the
very
first
one
about
demographics,
and-
and
this
is
too
many
points,
how
many
seniors
do
we
have
in
Kingston?
It
says
the
percentage
has
increased
by
twenty
nine
point,
six
percent,
but
it
doesn't
tell
us
the
percentage
of
the
population
that
is
in
that
demographic.
D
So,
like
year-over-year,
be
nice
to
know
what
percentage
of
our
population
are
seniors.
That's
a
fairly
simple
demographic.
It
like
the
relative
number.
Is
there
twenty
nine
point,
six
increase.
But
what
are
we
add?
We
don't
know.
So
it's
wonder
if
she's
running
you
may
become
behind
the
two
in
in
the
one.
In
the
same
item.
I
Three
years,
so
this
is
the
interfer
graphic
and
we
have
the
background
document
that's
attached
as
well,
which
is
our
data
and
the
data
sources,
so
n
with
respect
to
our
population.
We
have
that
all
posted
on
the
website.
So
if
we
started
to
add
all
these
informations
onto
the
infographic
and
all
of
a
sudden,
it's
unreadable.
So
that's
why
we've
prepared
this
background
document
that
has
all
the
information
that
you've
asked
and
many
others
have
asked
this
evening
or
you
can
get
go
right
down
to
the
details
on
that.
So.
G
You
mayor
Paterson,
through
you,
I,
can't
resist.
My
PhD
supervisor
has
made
his
life
off
these
type
of
indicators,
Brian
small
out
of
the
University
of
Waterloo.
He
has
something
called
the
Canadian
index
of
well-being
and
I
think
that
this
is
right
in
the
same
vein,
very
good
and
I'm
very
pleased
to
have
this
status,
but
I
should,
as
we
move
into
budget
and
strategic
planning.
This
will
set
a
good
context
for
us.
So
congratulations
thanks
for
doing
it,
but
I
would
commend
dr.
small
to
you.
G
I
didn't
see
him
in
this
set
of
references,
but
yeah
he's
at
the
University
of
Waterloo
and
there's
also
another
one.
That's
very
similar
that
could
help
augment
this
in
the
future
called
the
GPI.
The
genuine
progress
indicator
it's
out
of
a
think
tank
in
Atlantic
Canada,
so
traditional
sources
to
make
great
document.
You
know
a
touch
better.
Thank.
G
A
Okay,
seeing
no
other
questions.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
we'll
move
to
our
third
and
final
briefing
this
evening.
Paul
McClatchy
environment,
director,
real
estate
and
environmental
initiatives
will
appear
before
council
to
speak
to
information
report
number
two
with
respect
to
an
update
on
community
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
information
report
number
three
with
respect
to
the
electric
vehicle
strategy
update
mr.
McClatchy.
P
There
we
go
so
as
a
background
on
our
climate
action
efforts.
To
date,
Kingston
became
a
member
of
the
Federation
of
Canadian
Municipalities
partners
in
climate
protection
program
in
2002
and
us,
along
with
over
350.
Other
Canadian
municipalities,
have
used
its
five
milestone
framework
to
create
our
climate
action
plans
and
with
the
completion
of
our
Kingston
climate
action
plan
in
2014,
we
had
completed
all
five
milestones
of
that
PCP
program.
P
As
implementation
of
the
plan
proceeds,
we
measure
our
progress
by
completing
community
greenhouse
gas
emission
inventory
reports
approximately
every
two
years
or
so,
and
we
reply.
We
rely
upon
firms
that
specialize
in
carbon
accounting
to
do
that.
Work
for
us
and
our
latest
2017
inventory
was
completed
by
a
firm,
called
sustainable
solutions
group
out
of
Vancouver,
and
they
also
helped
us
with
our
2014-2015
inventories.
P
P
Now,
those
obviously
there's
a
great
temptation
to
celebrate
reaching
our
reduction
target
some
13
years
earlier
with
this,
but
I
caution.
Everyone
that
one
reporting
year
doesn't
necessarily
establish
a
reliable
trend
and
when
we
actually
dive
in
and
examine,
what's
contributing
to
the
reported
reductions.
There
are
some
reasons
why
we
might
want
to
take
a
cautious
but
optimistic
approach
and
stay
with
our
present
course
of
continuing
to
focus
on
actions
that
reduce
our
emissions
and
continuing
to
mark
monitor
our
progress.
P
So
some
of
the
main
factors
that
are
contributing
to
the
estimated
emission
reductions
in
2017.
Firstly,
the
weather,
the
weather,
is
always
a
consideration
and
in
2017
the
number
of
heating
and
cooling
degree
days
was
actually
the
lowest
we've
seen
since
the
year
2000.
So
that
means
less
energy
was
needed
to
heat
and
cool
buildings.
Also,
the
continued
greening
of
Ontario's
electrical
supply
is
a
contributor.
P
The
largest
factor,
however,
is
an
apparent
50%
reduction
in
natural
gas
use
from
Kingston's
industrial,
commercial
and
institutional
sector,
the
so-called
IC
and
I
sector,
and
on
the
face
of
it
when
we
saw
this,
so
it
seems
rather
improbable
to
see
such
a
large
decrease
in
natural
gas
use
in
such
a
short
period
of
time.
With
that,
we
did
reach
out
to
the
natural
gas
utilities
that
provided
the
data
and
understandably
for
privacy
reasons
they.
P
This
is
a
common
way
of
doing
this
kind
of
data
collection
for
GHG
emission
inventories,
but
this
kind
of
Geographic
aggregation
can
introduce
some
errors
that
are
very
difficult
for
us
to
assess
and
tease
out
I.
Don't
believe,
there's
any
doubt
that
we
are
seeing
a
strong
downward
trend
in
both
natural
gas
use
and
related
emissions,
but
with
what,
with
respect
to
that,
I
think
we
should
remain
cautiously
optimistic,
as
I
said
before,
as
we
continue
to
work
with
our
data
providers
to
look
at
verifying
the
accuracy
and
sustainability
of
this
trend
through
future
emission.
P
P
Some
of
those
include
investment
in
a
modernized,
Kingston
transit
system
with
Express
services
technology
reached
the
students
best
generated
nationally
recognized
increases
in
ridership.
Our
source,
separator
organics
green
bin
program
has
diverted
thousands
of
tons
of
methane
producing
organic
waste
from
landfills.
It's
we've
also
seen
the
integration
of
and
focus
of,
infill
and
pedestrian
friendly,
develop
into
our
official
plan
and
other
planning
instruments
that
supports
compact
and
efficient
development.
P
We've
seen,
completion
of
active
transportation
master
plan
and
continued
investment
in
pedestrian
and
cycling
infrastructure.
We've
seen
a
large
investment
in
electrification
of
transportation
that
we'll
talk
about
in
a
minute
seen
a
lot
of
construction
of
green
building
and
renewable
energy
generation
on
city
facilities,
we've
seen
award-winning
conservation,
the
demand
management
programs
from
utilities,
Kingston
and
Kingston
hydro
that
provide
financial
incentives
for
residential
and
commercial
energy
reduction
projects
and
as
Julie
and
Kristen
mentioned
sustainable
Kingston's
green
economy
program
with
over
30
members,
reducing
over
20,000
tons
of
GHG
sustainably
year
over
year.
P
P
Moving
on
to
the
second
information
report,
the
update
on
the
Kingston
in
electric
vehicle
strategy
with
a
mind
to
tackling
that
37%
of
our
community
carbon
footprint.
That's
due
to
gasoline
and
diesel
from
the
transportation
sector
city
council
approved
an
easy
strategy
and
related
budget.
That
focus
focuses
on
three
action
areas:
those
being
the
integration
of
electric
vehicles
into
our
light
and
heavy
duty
municipal
fleets,
where
that's
practical
to
do
the
construction
of
the
public,
electric
vehicle
charging,
Network
and
public
promotion
of
electric
vehicles
and
the
charging
network
in
Kingston.
P
We
have
completed
the
installation
of
42
level
2
charging
stations
at
19,
different
municipal
locations
and
with
the
recent
announcement
by
Natural
Resources
Canada
of
their
funding
support
for
Kingston.
We
can
now
proceed
with
the
construction
of
the
two
proposed
level.
Three
fast
charging
stations
in
at
Frontenac
parking
lot
in
Kingston's,
downtown
and
I
have
to
say
that
we
expect
to
complete
the
entire
public
charging
network
in
2019
with
a
significant
capital
budgets,
budget
surplus
and
so
far
the
use
of
the
charging
stations
has
been
good.
P
We've
seen
over
2100
unique
charging
sessions
recorded
at
them
within
the
first
five
months
of
operation
in
2018,
and
bear
in
mind
that
not
all
the
charging
stations
were
active
in
August
of
2018.
They
came
online
gradually
over
the
course
of
those
five
months
so
that
that
is
good
use.
We
see
the
Chargers
in
the
downtown
area
located
on
in
places
like
Clarence,
Street
pump,
house
team
museum
parking
lot
artillery
Park
and
in
the
Hanson
and
town
parking
garages
have
been
the
most
popular
our
level.
P
Two
Chargers
will
continue
to
be
offered
at
no
cost
until
January
2020,
which
is
the
end
of
the
pilot
program
for
the
no
charge
offering
of
those
level.
Two
Chargers
and
the
common
market
rate
for
public
charging
in
January
2020
will
be
applied,
which
is
usually
$1
to
$2
per
hour
per
session
for
those
level
2
stations
and
by
our
estimation,
that
will
be
sufficient
to
recover
the
the
energy
that
we're
delivering
and
the
maintenance
of
the
stations.
P
Now
the
level
three
fast
chargers
once
they
get
installed,
they
will
be,
they
will
require
payment
right
from
the
get-go
and
again
they,
the
market
rate,
for
that
is
ten
to
twenty
dollars
per
hour
of
use
because
they
deliver
such
a
high
rate
of
power
and
very
convenient
for
people
that
are
looking
for
that
quick
charge.
That
is
all
the
items
that
I
wanted
to
highlight
out
of
those
two
reports.
Them
apologize
for
whipping
through
it
so
quickly,
but
I
get
my
ten
minutes,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
Thank.
D
D
P
Certainly
through
your
worship,
there's
been
no
change
in
the
carbon
intensity
of
natural
gas,
so
any
reduction
in
emissions
from
natural
gas
is
because
they
use
it
less.
Presumably
the
devil
is
in
that
detail
of
trying
to
figure
out.
Why
is
there
such
a
large
reduction
when
we
don't
see
a
large
economic
downturn,
we
don't
see
last
closures
of
plants
or
facilities,
or
in
like
that,
so
trying
to
explain
that
reduction
is
difficult.
Okay
and.
D
The
other
one
is
on
that
second
report:
the
electric
bus,
the
the
the
the
language
in
there
about
the
doctor,
bus
in
the
cancelled
GHG
grant
from
the
province
so
and
and
where
does
that?
Leave
us
for
the
future
and
we
have
any
options
to
one
day:
get
a
full
sized
electric
bus
or
running
for
a
Kingston
transit.
Sure.
P
Q
Through
you,
so
yes,
we,
we
haven't
completely
canceled
the
grant
that
we
were
awarded,
which
was
to
help
to
partially
support
the
purchase
of
electric
buses
into
the
fleet.
But
we
were
relying
on
another
grant
opportunity
that
that
was
subsequently
cancelled.
So
at
this
point,
we're
on
hold
with
that
we're
monitoring
what's
happening
in
other
communities,
because
the
electric
bus
is
significantly
more
expensive
than
than
the
traditional
diesel
and
we're
also
monitoring
the
reliability.
R
Q
You
your
worship.
Yes,
we
have
heard
of
the
electric
vehicle
users
that
has
been
probably
the
complaint
that
they've
had,
and
you
know
we
use
the
term
caution
cautiously
optomistic
a
couple
of
times
tonight
and
and
that's
sort
of
the
approach
that
we're
trying
to
take
the
spaces
that
we
have
on
street
are
very
highly
sought
after
highly
demand
spaces
in
the
core
of
the
downtown.
Q
We
want
it
to
do
that
so
that
the
Eevee
charging
stations
were
visible
and
very
easy
to
locate,
but
at
the
same
time
we
are
still
trying
to
manage
our
parking
supply.
We
do
have
some
pressures
on
the
parking
supply.
There's
no
question
about
that,
and
dedicating
the
spaces
would
mean
that
those
spaces
would
be
underutilized
compared
to
the
total
utilization
that
we
get
out
of
allowing
anyone
to
use
them.
So
right
now,
we've
used
the
approach
of
signage
and
asking
people
nicely.
Q
So
in
a
parking
structure,
our
parking
management
policies
encourage
people
who
want
to
park
for
longer
periods
of
time
to
do
so
in
the
lots
or
the
parking
structures
and
leaving
the
most
desirable
on
street
spaces
for
quick
turnover.
So
that's
the
that's.
The
policy
piece
that
were
just
being
a
bit
cautious
on
so
I
think
I
think
that
we
can
move
forward
in
the
early
stages
with
looking
at
dedicating
the
spaces,
at
least
within
the
town
and
Hansen,
and
then
we'll
see
what
the
utilization
rate
is.
R
Thank
you,
I'll
talk
to
you
away
from
Council
about
this
issue
as
well.
So
my
other
question
and
it
was
raised,
it's
a
follow-up
to
councilor
Stroud's
question
I,
know:
electric
buses
have
a
shorter
range
and
that
eventually
electric
buses
will
probably
be
the
wave
of
the
future.
But
in
the
meantime
I
know
many
communities
are
looking
towards
some
hybrids
or
some
natural
gas
vehicles
just
to
get
away
from
the
the
more
polluting
forms
of
fuel.
Is
that
something
that
we
can
consider
as
well
through.
Q
You,
your
worship,
we
haven't
actually
invested
a
lot
of
time,
exploring
natural
gas
buses,
as
I
indicated
previously
we're
certainly
looking
at
at
the
electric
bus
market.
Toronto
is
testing
different
models
of
buses
that
are
available.
So,
yes,
the
the
battery
range
and
the
longevity
is
a
bit
unique
to
different
communities.
It's
also
based
on
the
loads
that
are
being
carried
and,
and
so
so
those
are
the
things
and
we
are,
we
are
a
participant
in
a
in
a
program
run
by
a
consortium
called
Q
trick.
Q
That's
doing
a
lot
of
work,
exploring
opportunities
for
electrophilic,
trophic
ation
of
bus
fleets,
so
we
are
monitoring
it.
The
one
thing
that
that
does
concern
us
is:
is
the
battery
life
and
the
reliability
of
the
vehicle
with
a
battery
life?
There's
really
two
options
right
now,
with
with
fully
electric,
you
have
a
you
know,
you
have
a
bus
that
goes
out
and
a
charging
station
at
the
Depot
or
and
those
are
expensive
and
enough,
but
the
the
really
expensive
ones
are.
You
know
you
can
drive
up
in
charge
for
for
a
few
minutes.
Q
G
Thank
You
mayor
Paterson,
for
you
I,
am
very
encouraged
by
these
numbers.
I
think
that
we
should
celebrate
we're
one
of
the
few
jurisdictions
in
the
whole
world
that
has
met
our
Paris
agreement
targets
already,
which
is
quite
amazing,
but
I'm,
also
very
encouraged
by
the
approach
of
being
cautiously
optimistic,
because
I
think
we
need
to
stay
diligent
and
really
examine
the
data
that
we
have
and
look
for
additional
sets
of
data
to
see
how
we
can
continue
to
reduce
our
emissions
and
on
the
note
of
diligence,
I'm
wondering
mr.
McClatchy.
G
P
P
It
actually
identified
the
majority
of
emission
reductions
as
coming
from
the
greening
of
electricity
and
and
then
a
significant
amount
coming
from
the
natural
gas,
and
they
should
be
flipped
around
actually,
but
the
amount
of
greenhouse
gas
emission
reduction
that
comes
from
the
electorate
with
the
greening
of
the
electricity
grid,
we've
estimated
at
about
15
percent
of
that
32
percent,
whatever
that
works
out
to
so
it's
it's
a
large
component,
but
it's
not
the
major
component.
All.
G
P
Think
the
work
that
we're
doing
right
now
with
utilities
Kingston
on
biogas,
looking
at
the
feasibility
of
biogas
production
is,
is
very
perspective.
You
can
imagine
that
you
know
we're
all
quite
happy
with
using
natural
gas
in
our
homes,
because
it's
a
cheap
fuel
and
it's
a
reliable
fuel,
but
the
production
of
biogas
would
provide
us
an
opportunity
to
greatly
reduce
the
carbon
impact
of
the
of
that
activity.
P
G
My
final
question
is
about
the
potential
for
Kingston
to
become
a
carbon
neutral.
City
I
know
that
other
jurisdictions
within
the
country
have
set
that
as
a
target
and
have
said
about
studying
how
that
is
a
possibility.
I'm
wondering
if
we
have
the
information
available
to
even
look
at
that
as
an
option.
I.
P
Think
other
municipalities,
as
you
mentioned,
have
examined
that
some
of
even
even
officially
made
it
a
goal
right,
so
I
think
the
information
is
there,
it
would
take.
It
would
take
work
on
their
behalf
of
staff
and
and
experts
to
examine
what
those
opportunities
are.
If,
if
we
wanted
to
move
forward
in
a
meaningful
way
and
have
and
have
actions
that
were
well
researched,
thank.
O
Thank
you
for
your
presentation
was
very
good.
It's
also
great
to
hear
how
much
the
city
has
done
already
with
our
lead
buildings
and
and
like
Rob
councillor
collie
just
mentioned.
We
have
addressed
a
lot
of
the
low-hanging
fruit
I,
wonder
if
we've
reached
out
to
business
industries
and
our
institutions
for
some
innovative
kind
of
challenges,
how
we
could
perhaps
be
leaders
in
reducing
greenhouse
gases
for
as
a
community,
certainly.
P
Through
Europe,
that
is
actually
a
part
of
our
implementation
approach
to
the
climate.
Our
Kingston
Climate
Action
Plan
is
to
work
with
sustainable
Kingston's
green
economy
program,
and
that's
an
important
part
of
that
program
is
that's
exactly
what
they
do.
Is
they
reach
out
to
the
business
and
Institute
channel
sectors
of
our
community?
They
they
provide
them
a
framework,
so
they
can
evaluate
their
carbon
emissions
and
set
targets
and
make
action
plans
to
to
reduce
their
emissions.
P
O
P
O
I'll
act
on
that
one,
and
my
next
question
is
about
adaptation.
So
what
is
the
city
actually
doing?
Then?
We
have
opportunities
to
prepare
for
more
extreme
weather,
because
the
reality
with
climate
changes
it's
by
not
acting
on
it,
it's
even
more
expensive
and
in
just
the
last
couple
days
we've
had
these
extreme
weathers.
Our
plumbers
are
making
great
business
at
the
moment,
but
that
leads
to
other
issues
that
we
have
throughout,
like
our
pipes
in
the
city
and
when
we
dig
our
roads
up,
do
we
use
those
opportunities
to
prepare
for
more
extreme
weathers?
O
P
A
great
question
I
think
you
know
climate
related
or
not.
We
have
a
number
of
departments,
utilities,
Kingston,
engineering,
Public,
Works,
reckon
leisure,
they
they're
all
affected
by
extreme
weather,
and
they
all
have
plans
in
place
to
deal
with
things
like
you
know:
very
cold
weather,
very
hot
weather,
intense
rain
storms,
those
sorts
of
things.
Those
are
those
those
plans
are
in
place
in
there
and
they're
tied
into
our
own
emergency
planning
exercises
as
a
city,
but
in
terms
of
an
adaptation
plan
for
climate
itself,
we've
only
only
done
the
early
stages
of
that
I.
O
You
know
one
more
question:
sorry
Ben
I'd
or
not
this
summer
I
met
a
few
senior
citizen
who
didn't
have
air
conditioning
and,
of
course,
the
extreme
weather
I
was
thinking
in
the
last
couple
days.
How
homeless
people
deal
with
that.
So
it's
an
issue
that
we
have
to
really
also
build
in
the
social
aspect
of
this
extreme
weather
effects.
People
just
want
to
have
done.
O
H
The
B
there's
a
big
when
you're
stating
the
reduction
targets
baseline
year
is
picked,
and
sometimes
governments
change
those
baselines
to
suit
their
inability
to
meet
them
so
which
is
lower
thirty
percent
below
2005
greenhouse
gas
of
levels
or
30%
below
2011
levels,
which
is
the
municipal.
The
first
one
is
the
National.
P
Through
your,
what
your
worship,
if
memory
serves
me
right,
our
emissions
in
2005
were
slightly
less
than
our
emissions
in
2011.
So
then,
if,
if
you
wanted
to
say
which
one
was
the
more
ambitious
goal,
I
think
the
30
percent
below
2005.
Only
because
2011
emissions
were
slightly
higher
than
2005
emissions
right.
H
A
H
H
P
The
risk
of
getting
in
a
soapbox,
I
I,
think
that
it's
important
to
recognize
that
Canadians
are
amongst
the
highest
energy
users
of
any
people
in
the
world
and
we
have
the
highest
carbon
footprints
of
any
people
in
the
world.
So
it's
and
and
from
an
economic
financial
perspective,
we're
probably
the
most
able
to
do
something
about
that.
So
I
think
we
have
a
great
duty
to
do
something
about
that
and
whether
or
not
30%
below
2011
is
enough
to
save
the
planet.
A
O
After
a
read
it
sorry,
the
intersection
of
Norman
Rogers
and
Sir
John,
a
McDonald
will
of
art,
is
dangerous,
a
traffic
control
light
and
proper
crosswalk
as
needed
on
an
urgent
basis.
I
live
in
the
neighborhood.
This
is
a
very
busy
intersection
for
pedestrians,
cyclists,
cars
and
school
buses.
Hundreds
of
people
cross
daily
to
access
the
701
and
702
Express
bus
people
of
all
ages
and
abilities
cross
here.
Children
seniors
students,
parents
with
baby
strollers
skateboarders,
the
recent
collision
with
a
pedestrian
confirmed
our
worst
fears.
The
time
is
long
overdue.
O
A
Ok,
so
with
that
we
will
move
next,
we
have
one
motion
of
condolence
move
by
councillor
Neill
seconded
by
mayor
Paterson.
That's
a
sincere
condolences
of
the
City
of
Kingston
Council
be
extended
to
the
family
and
many
friends
of
Ross
McKenzie,
who
recently
passed
away.
Ross
was
a
captain
and
a
veteran
of
the
canadian
armed
corps
serving
in
canada
and
europe.
He's
a
graduate
of
the
military
Royal
Military
College
resuming
many
leadership
roles
at
the
college.
He
became
the
RMC
museum
curator
and
was
appointed
museum
curator
and
redis
in
2015.
A
A
A
Three
counselor
spell
yes,
Clause
one,
please
clause
one
okay,
so
we're
going
to
deal
with
them
one
at
a
time.
So,
first
up
we
have
the
purple
yeah.
Yes,
so
given
the
fact
that
two
of
the
three
have
been
separated,
we're
good.
So
here
we
go
so
clause
number
one
proposed
renaming
of
a
portion
of
a
municipal
road
from
Horizon
Court
to
Horizon
Drive,
councillor
Chappell.
N
Thank
you,
worship
when
I
was
made
aware
of
this
name
change
happening
with
the
city,
I
wanted
to
find
out
the
process
and
what
was
involved
and
I'd
like
to
give
accolades
to
the
staff
members
that
I
spoke
with,
because
I
had
a
number
of
questions
with
regards
to
this
process,
making
sure
that
the
citizens
living
in
that
area
would
actually
not
be
impacted
in
a
negative
way.
In
fact,
I
found
out
there
were
31
property
owners
of
those
property
owners.
N
They
all
received
notification,
I
asked
about
potential
costs
that
they
may
incur
and
which
services
would
be
notified
and
I'm
greatly
relieved
that
everyone
from
Bell
Canada
to
try
Ward
student
transportation
services,
Kingston
Police,
has
made
aware
of
this
and
I
did
end
up
speaking
with
some
constituents
in
the
area
and
there
will
be
no
cost
for
change
their
driver's
licenses
or
passports
or
other
government
documentation.
So
it's
something
that
I'm
glad
that
there
was
a
lot
of
time
and
preparation
taking
place
to
dress
my
concerns
and
I
wanted
to
just
thank
staff
for
that.
R
Yes,
I
I
have
some
reservations
about
this
motion.
I
I've
had
two
or
three
constituents
that
have
contacted
me.
I
think
I
think
it
was
three
with,
although
one
person
may
have
been
he
and
his
partner
I'm,
not
sure,
but
they
were
puzzled
by
both.
The
cost
of
this
and
I
am
curious,
given
the
improvement
of
our
communications
department,
which
has
been
greatly
enhanced
and
why
we
would
be
going
externally
to
a
consultant.
R
Why?
Wouldn't
we
do
this
as
a
contest
within
the
community
supervised
dwith
public
meetings
by
our
communications
group,
the
most
as
one
person
said
in
an
email,
I
received
and
I
think
several
of
us
received
it.
You
can
fill
a
lot
of
potholes
for
$90,000
and
I
tend
to
agree
with
that
statement,
and
so
I'll
be
choosing
to
vote
against
this,
in
the
hope
that
we
can
do
it
do
just
as
good
a
job
in
house.
T
T
G
You
mayor
Paterson,
through
you,
I,
was
speaking
to
some
residents
today
and
was
that
loss
for
words
to
tell
them
what
actually
comes
out
of
this
process.
I
found
the
report
helpful
in
that
it
delineate
'add
each
step
of
the
process.
I
found
it
helpful
in
that
it
articulated
how
the
contract
was
awarded.
That
was
all
very
transparent
and
good
to
explain
to
the
residents,
but
does
a
motto
for
the
city
come
out
of
this.
We
just
heard
not
a
new
logo,
a
new
mission
statement.
G
T
So
it's
about
having
a
vision
in
terms
of
this
community
brand
and
yes,
it
could
include
for
lack
of
better
word,
a
slogan
and
I'm
sure
that
others
could
come
up
with
much
better
definition
for
it,
but
really
bring
in
all
the
key
stakeholders
together
to
to
agree
as
to
what
that
means
and
how
it's
going
to
be
utilized,
so
the
messaging
behind
it
and
there
as
part
this
work.
There
are
a
couple
of
things
one
is:
there
is
a
tremendous
amount
of
engagement
with
the
key
stakeholders
and
the
public.
T
So
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
were
recommending
Scot
torn
Lea
was
because
of
their
level
of
engagement.
It
was
quite
detailed
in
their
proposal
and
what
they
had
done
in
other
communities
like
Milton,
the
other
piece.
That
is
also
some
expertise
in
terms
of
graphic
design.
They
come
forward
with,
with
that
expertise
and
being
able
to
provide
only
the
messaging,
but
anything
that
might
visually
need
to
accompany
that
messaging.
G
T
Through
you,
mr.
mayor,
so
we
anticipate
that
there
will
be
a
lot
of
work
done
through
our
social
media
and
electronically,
so
those
would
not
should
not
generate
any
additional
cost
as
we
create
new
either
marketing
material
or
publications.
We
would
make
some
changes
as
we
go
along.
I
would
not
anticipate
that
we
would
start
changing
signage
on
our
vehicles,
for
example,
where
we
have
Kingston
so
I
don't
anticipate.
We
would
do
those
things
and,
like
I,
indicated
I.
T
S
Thank
you.
I
was
one
of
the
ones
who
supported
this
back
in
April
or
May
or
whenever,
but
it's
a
much
older
process
than
that
we've
been
doing
this
ever
been
moving
along
in
this
direction.
For
quite
a
while,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
feeling
now
is
a
sense
of
deja
vu.
We
did
this
something
very
similar
nearly
started
four
years
ago
and
the
what
came
out
of
it
was
that
fresh
made
daily
or
made
fresh,
daily
or
fresh-baked
daily,
or
something
like
that.
S
It
was
in
part
of
our
integrated
tourism,
marketing
strategy
and
I.
Think
we've
already
done
this,
maybe
not
exactly
what
they're,
describing
and
to
add
more
brands.
I
think
is
gonna
confuse
the
matter
so,
although
I
may
have
supported
looking
into
this
in
the
past
on
reflection,
I
will
not
be
supporting
this
part
of
it
is
because
we
don't
want
to
dilute
the
brand
that
we
already
have
adding
more
or
even
subtracting.
Some
doesn't
strike
me
as
the
best
thing
to
do
now.
S
If
we
make
a
new
brand
anchor
or
community
branding,
that
is
too
narrow,
we
leave
out
a
lot
of
stuff
that
could
be
attractive
to
people
and
if
we
make
it
too
general,
then
we're
diluting
it.
So
it
strikes
me
that
there's
partner
might
be
and
we're
not
sure
there
might
be
a
sweet
spot
in
the
middle,
but
if
there
is
I
think
we've
already
got
it
with
history
and
innovation
thrive,
and
what
they're
proposing
here
seems
to
me
to
complicate
the
matter.
S
So
for
that
reason,
that's
another
reason
they
vote
against
this,
but
the
biggest
one
or
I
guess
one
of
the
biggest
ones
for
me
is
that
it's
a
toronto
company
part
of
economic
development
is
that
we
spend
money
here.
Our
expenses
are
somebody
else's
income
and
when
they
takes
it
as
income,
it
becomes
an
expense
for
them.
They
buy
something
locally,
hopefully
becomes
income
for
somebody
else.
When
we
send
this
money
outside
of
Kingston,
we
start
that
expense
income
chain
in
Toronto
instead
of
in
Kingston.
S
S
I
know
that
one
thing
that
the
staff
have
challenged
me
on
is
that
if
you
want
something
new
done,
tell
us
what
you
would
like,
not
that
what
you'd
like
us,
not
to
do
I
would
suggest
to
you
that
this
might
be
one
of
those
things
that
we
shouldn't
be
doing
and
that
we
should
be
moving
the
money
to
whatever
might
come
out
of
strategic
planning.
Thank
you
thank.
L
Thank
you,
we're
so
I
sort
of
see
branding
as
kind
of
serving
two
two
functions.
One
of
them
is
kind
of
uniting
community
around
a
logo
or
a
goal.
The
other,
though,
is
to
reach
out
so
one
of
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
do
as
a
community
is
to
reach
out,
for
example,
to
attract
physicians,
to
come
and
live
in
the
community
to
attract
new
entrepreneurs
who
may
wish
to
set
up
their
businesses
here
to
attract
young
professionals
to
come
into
the
community.
L
My
sense
of
what
this
sort
of
stage
of
branding
is
about,
and
I
going
to
defer
to
Acting
CEO
hurdle
on
this
one
is
that
we
have
largely
sort
of
taking
care
of
the
of
the
logo.
That's
relatively
new
and
the
slogan
I
think
people
generally
feel
reflects
the
community
well,
but
the
goal
now
is
to
kind
of
reach
out
to
to
market
ourselves
through
our
brand
to
interested
parties
that
might
want
to
relocate
to
Kingston.
L
So
if,
if
that's
the
case,
for
example,
if
it
was
the
if
that
was
a
useful
exercise
and
attracting
more
family
physicians
to
Kingston,
I,
think
that
generally,
we
would
say,
$90,000
is
a
reasonable
cost
for
that
purpose.
So
I
think
if
that's
the
purpose
and
I'll
again,
if
you
don't
mind
deferring
to
Cal
so
hurdles
through
you,
your
worship,
I,
think,
there's
some
merit
to
this
commercial.
A
T
You
and
through
you,
mr.
mayor
so
councillor,
Hill,
you're,
absolutely
correct.
The
the
intent
here
is
to
try
to
position
that
the
overall
city,
not
the
corporation
itself,
but
the
overall
city
to
be
able
to
attract
people
and
businesses
and
I
will
say
that
most
of
the
time
you
hear
businesses,
but
in
this
case
I
think.
What
you
will
see
more
and
more
is
the
need
to
attract
skill
individuals
to
our
community.
We
have
a
shortage
in
terms
of
skills
in
our
community.
T
We
are
competing
with
communities
in
in
the
GTA
and
southwestern
Ontario,
where
you
know,
skilled
professionals
may
choose
to
relocate
there,
rather
than
come
to
Kingston
and
I'm,
not
saying
that
this
will
make
all
the
difference,
but
this
is
about
how
we're
coming
together
as
a
community
and
how
we
can
help
brand
that
community
so
that
Queen's,
University
or
Empire
life
and
other
organization.
We
can
work
collectively
together.
In
terms
of
that
branding
and
get
that
message
out
to
the
rest
of
the
community.
A
You
I'm
just
going
to
add
to
councillor
Hills
comments
and
certainly
I
agree
with
much
of
what
has
been
said.
This
is
a
refresher
for
those
of
us
that
were
around
the
table
earlier
last
year
that
we
remember
this
discussion,
but
for
the
new
counselors
that
that
Maine,
that
really
this
was
very
much
a
discussion
that
did
to
some
degree
connect
with
the
the
tourism
brand
that
councillor
McClaren
made
reference
to.
A
So
as
a
result
of
the
work
that
was
done
in
building
a
tourism
brand
Kingston
has
probably
seen
two
or
three
of
the
biggest
years
for
tourism
that
this
city
has
ever
seen.
It's
been
a
tremendous
tremendous
injection
of
growth
into
the
community,
and
that
was
really
what
was
the
genesis
for
some
of
the
community
discussion
about.
How
do
we
take
that
same
approach
and
apply
to
the
community
as
a
whole?
A
So
if
we
become
successful
by
building
a
brand
to
be
able
to
bring
visitors
to
Kingston,
how
can
we
take
that
brand
and
use
that
to
be
able
to
bring
residents
to
Kingston,
obviously
to
fill
our
workforce
gaps,
to
be
able
to
attract
new
businesses
to
Kingston?
That
is
very
much
the
vision
of
what's
going
on.
This
is
far
more
than
just
a
new
motto
or
a
new
slogan.
Now,
I
think
that
the
fundamental
issue
is
that
everybody
in
this
room
knows
very
well
the
incredible
things
that
are
happening
in
our
community.
We
are
innovative.
A
We
are
experiencing
growth
in
our
in
our
cultural
scene.
There
are
so
many
exciting
things
happening
in
our
business
community,
but
if
you
were
to
stop
and
ask
the
average
person
walking
in
downtown
Toronto
say
what
do
you
think
of
when
you,
when
you
hear
Kingston,
there's
still
a
disconnect?
There's
too
many
people
that
when
you
ask
them
that
question
they
connect
to
what
Kingston
was
10
20
30
years
ago,
they're,
not
aware
of
some
of
the
things
that
are
happening,
our
community.
So
this
is
how
do
we
build
that?
How
do
we
refresh
that?
A
How
do
we
communicate
that?
So
again,
you
take
a
look
at
that
success
and
tourism
and
say
why
not
apply
that
to
the
broader,
broader
community
as
a
whole,
so
that
we
can
start
to
achieve
some
of
these
other
goals
as
well.
A
couple
of
other
points,
I
think
it
was
well
said
that
a
$90,000
investment
again
when
you
think
of
the
potential
return
on
that
investment
I
think
it's
very
well-placed.
The
other
comment
that
was
made
about
was
the
firm
that
is
not
from
Kingston.
A
You
know
what
I
would
just
suggest
that
perhaps
for
an
exercise
like
this,
maybe
we
need
somebody
that
is
not
from
Kingston.
That
can
help
to
see
that
that
neutral
lens
to
see
how
we
are
perceived
outside
of
the
city
and
ultimately
be
an
honest
broker
to
be
to
bring
many
different
parties
and
stakeholders
together
in
our
community
to
talk
about.
A
How
do
we
all
come
together
with
this,
because
that
was
the
work
that
was
done
with
the
tourism
brand,
bringing
a
number
of
different,
disparate
different
groups
within
the
tourism
industry,
all
to
agree
on
the
same
vision
and
the
same
brand,
and
that
really
is
the
goal
that
was
discussed
earlier
in
2018.
So
personally,
I
think
that
there's
great
value
that's
attached
to
this,
but
again
I
would
certainly
encourage
council
to
to
support
it
and
ultimately
reminding
council
that
we
have
approved
the
budget
for
it.
A
U
Thank
you,
worship
and
through
you,
I
find
it
has
actually
had
some
discussions
earlier
about
this
and
the
level
of
engagement
from
the
community
on
this
has
been
great.
It's
a
ninety
thousand
dollar
decision
that
we're
making.
It
goes
back
to
the
previous
term
of
Council,
and
one
thing
that
I
kind
of
scratched
my
head
over
is
sometimes
you'll,
hear
more
from
people
on
a
ninety
thousand
dollar
decision
than
you
will
on
a
ten
million
dollar
decision
and
I
struggle,
sometimes
to
rationalize
that
certain
things
get
into
people's
minds.
U
So
obviously
this
is
something
we're
branding
the
city.
We
have
a
current
kind
of
brand
and
we
have
the
opportunity
to
maybe
it's
not
a
rebrand.
Maybe
it's
a
refresh.
We
don't
know
what
that's
gonna.
Look
like
I
have
a
quick
question
for
staff,
which
is
how
old
is
our
current
brand?
If
you
were
to
pick
a
number.
T
You
and
three
mr.
mayor
so
I
I
do
want
to
clarify
that
we
do
not
have
an
overall
community
brand.
We
have
a
corporate
logo
and
and
model
which
I
think
goes
back
to
amalgamation
and
we're
not
suggesting
at
this
point
that
this
is
wrong
and
we
need
to
redo
that.
What
we're
suggesting
is
we
need
to
have
an
overall
community
brand.
One
point
if
I
may
add
as
well.
Mr.
mayor
in
terms
of
the
selection,
the
proposed
company
under
purchasing
bylaw.
T
U
U
What
is
our
brand,
so
it
is,
in
a
sense,
a
new
endeavor.
This
really
is
about
what
attracts
people
to
Kingston
and
that's
something
that
we've
always
maybe
wondered
and
have
always
sort
of
been
trying
to
do
through
tourism.
So
it's
a
chance
to
work
with
that,
but
it
is
one
more
thing
that
this
can
do
and
if
we
can
establish
what
our
brand
is,
we
can
maybe
work
towards
fixing
the
problem
that
we've
just
heard
from
earlier
tonight,
which
was
what
keeps
people
in
Kingston.
So,
let's
figure
out
what
our
brand
is.
U
D
Okay,
so
we've
had
a
divergence
of
opinions
and
points
and
I
just
like
to
revisit
a
couple
of
them
for
framing
in
my
own
comments,
first
of
all
to
the
point
of
the
activist
being
an
external
company
being
a
company
from
Toronto,
that's
the
first
thing
that
sort
of
jumps
out
in
a
way
what's
happened
here
is
I.
Also
remember
voting
in
favor
of
this
last
April.
What's
happened
here
is
we've.
D
We've
said
yes
in
principle
to
to
the
rebranding,
and
now
that
we
see
a
little
bit
more
of
what
it's
going
to
look
like,
and
we
see,
for
example,
what
this
firm
has
come
up
with
for
the
branding
of
other
cities
that
they've
done,
which
is
very
relevant
work
and
what
what
they
base
their
proposal
on.
You
know
there's
a
little
bit
of
oh
that
all
we're
getting
or
is
is
that
it
like,
and
that's
what
I'm
hearing
from
my
constituents
a
little
bit
of
man.
D
You
know:
okay,
that's
not
quite
as
exciting
as
I
thought
it
was
going
to
be
and
the
other
aspect
of
it,
the
local,
the
local
that
it's
very
frustrating
essentially
I,
hear
this.
All
the
time,
young
entrepreneurs
or
small
companies
with
some
success
locally,
having
trouble
growing
to
the
next
level
and
staying
in
Kingston,
we
want
to
keep
them
in
Kingston.
D
But
I
would
go
further
and
say
we
actually
in
this
RFP
say
the
opposite.
It
almost
is
in
the
description
that
we
are
looking
for,
an
external
firm.
Then
the
mayor
mentioned
that
this
might
be
preferable
because
of
the
neutral
lens
and
I
would
say.
Okay,
that's
true.
You
get
perspective
from
a
from
an
outsider,
but
at
the
same
time
local
talent
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
for
the
entire
process.
But,
as
you
can
see,
this
firm
actually
is
hiring
another
firm
to
do
the
research
right,
so
there's
actually
two
firms
involved.
D
We
have
that
talent
in
Kingston.
We
do
it's
just
that
it
wasn't.
It
didn't
work
in
the
RFP
the
way
it
was
written,
that
third
category
of
their
FP
company
profile
resources
and
relevant
experience,
I'd
like
to
ask
you
a
question
because
it
doesn't
break
it
down
by
words
a
chart
of
the
total
scores.
Oh,
it
doesn't
break
it
down
by
score
the
winning
the
one
that
you're
recommending
it,
which
was
the
second
second
lowest
but
the
highest
score.
A
T
Through
you,
mr.
mayor
I,
do
not
have
the
detail.
Information
I
can
tell
you
that
we
did
look
at
a
number
of
their
work
that
they
had
done
in
other
communities.
So
I
think
I
mentioned
Milton
before
I
believe
there
was
one
in
the
Agora
region
as
well
that
they
they
completed.
I,
don't
have
their
entire
profile
in
front
of
me,
but
I
be
happy
to
provide
that
to
members
of
council
and
send
that
electronically.
If
you'd,
like
okay.
D
A
T
You
and
through
you,
honest
mayor
so
I
I,
do
not
believe
and-
and
my
colleagues
that
are
sitting
here
with
me
that
participated
in
the
process
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
do
not
believe
that
there
are
any
companies
listed
in
here
that
are
entirely
local.
I,
believe
that
there
may
have
been
consultants
involved
with
some
of
these
companies
that
may
be
local,
but
overall
Penny's
based
in
Kingston,
but
all
their
employees
operating
out
of
Kingston
I
do
not
believe
that's
the
case.
T
D
A
E
D
Yes,
well,
one
of
the
constituents
had
called
me
did
a
little
digging
in
on
the
city
website
of
the
original
report,
and
apparently
you
could
see
which
firms
had
downloaded
the
materials.
You
would
need
to
submit
a
bid,
and
he
identified
at
least
four
local
firms
that
had
done
that,
but
but
none
but
noted
that
none
of
them
had
actually
applied.
So
what
I'm?
What
I'm?
D
Assuming
from
all
this
and
the
absence
of
anything
the
contrary,
is
that
the
way
that
the
RFP
is
written,
it
discouraged
the
local
firms
from
applying
if
I'm,
making
a
serious
bid
if
they
knew
they
were
up
against
large
external
firms
from
Toronto.
They
would
be
discharged
because
one
of
the
criteria
is
company
profile,
which
is
the
size
of
your
company
and
the
renown
of
your
company.
So
unless,
unless
I'm
mistaken,
I,
don't
see
any
reason
why
we
should
proceed
with
something
that
we're
so
lukewarm
about
and
I.
K
You,
your
worship,
I,
won't,
be
supporting
the
recommendation.
I
did
vote
for
the
brand
positioning
to
go
forward
back
in
April,
but
what's
happen
between
now
and
then
was
the
election
and
going
door-to-door
and
hearing
from
like
every
house,
our
roads,
our
sidewalks,
needing
to
be
repaired,
and
you
know
and
traffic
issues
which
are
going
to
cause
you
know
have
to
have
traffic
lights
to
solve.
That
would
be
half
a
million
dollars
and
it's
just
money,
money,
money,
and
maybe
the
problem
tonight-
is
that
we're
one
week
tow
budget.
We
just
got
the
budget.
K
V
Thank
you
very
person
and
through
you,
I
am
I,
have
to
say,
I,
agree,
I
considerably
with
the
counselor
with
sanika.
It's
I
do
appreciate
the
work
the
staff
has
done
and
I
don't
exasperate
them
either,
and
you
know
saying
we're
flip-flopping
here
and
I
appreciate
what
Ryan
counselor
balm
is
said.
You
know
or
100,000,
but
we
could
be
looking
at
a
million.
V
You
know
and
I'll
be
voting
no
for
countryside
tonight,
because
there's
so
much
that
needs
to
be
done
in
our
roads
and
I
think
that
we
can
save
some
money
here
and
there's
lots
of
good
work
out
promoting
our
brand
through
tourism
right
now,
lots
of
other
ways
that
we
do
promote
the
great
name
and
the
projection
and
the
perception
of
our
city,
so
I'll
take
a
buyout
this
one
for
now.
Thanks
thank.
N
Thank
you,
worship.
One
of
the
things
that
I
also
experienced
knocking
door-to-door
meeting
with
constituents
is
a
great
fear
of
spending
all
this
money
on
consultants.
It
just
seems
to
be
a
perpetual
season
to
spend
money.
What
I'd
like
to
recommend
is
perhaps
we
are
about
to
embark
on
a
very
important
strategic
planning
process,
was
a
lot
of
community
involvement
community
engagement.
N
Maybe
this
is
the
opportunity
to
put
this
out
to
the
Florida
citizens
to
see
if
we
really
need
a
brand
or
what
their
opinions
are,
or
maybe
this
is
part
of
the
questions
that
we
put
out
to
the
community.
What
was
referred
to
a
number
of
times
was
the
work
they
did
in
Milton
and
when
I
looked
at
the
process,
they
took
six
months.
I
talked
to
50
stakeholder
interviews,
had
650
public
survey
inputs
and
for
me
the
cost
I
can't
see
that
there
then
I
looked
at
their
other
on
Niagara
and
Mississauga.
N
N
I
do
agree
that
it's
sensitive
on
the
marketing
of
this
at
this
time,
and
perhaps
what's
best,
is
we
defer
this
rather
than
knocking
in
a
part,
let's
defer
it
till
after
we
go
through
budget
process
and
strategic
planning
I
do
think,
there's
an
opportunity
to
have
a
win-win
for
everybody
and
make
sure
there's
more
input
put
into
the
process.
Thank
you.
So.
A
D
N
Not
sure
it
does
councillor
Stroud
I
think
that
we
have
agreed
through
our
last
council
meeting,
that
we
are
going
to
have
an
extensive
public
consultation
with
through
website.
Maybe
this
is
something
could
be
included
as
part
of
the
website.
Consultation
process
also
will
be
having
the
open
house
and
other
engagement
opportunities
and
I
think
it
could
be
encapsulated
in
that.
So
if
you
would
like
to
offer
a
friendly
amendment
to
offers
and
structure
to
that,
I'd
be
happy
to
entertain
so.
A
So
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
advise
against
that
I
think
that
I
think
the
answer
was
clear.
So
what
the
motion
defer
on
the
floor
will
say
is
that
this
item
will
come
back
to
Council.
Most
of
our
last
session
is
in
April.
It's
gonna
come
probably
sometime
in
May
and
at
that
point
we'll
be
in
decision
to
say
what
do
we
do?
What
do
we
want
to
do
next,
given
the
input
that
we've
received?
A
K
You
your
worship
on
a
positive
note,
I
think
this
display
is
really
exciting.
I
can't
wait
to
see
it
I
see
that
it's
an
exhibition
from
National
Geographic
I've
seen
their
exhibitions
before
the
pictures
are
outstanding.
Quality
I,
just
can't
wait,
it
will
be
a
free
exhibit.
It
will
be
all
of
spring
long.
It
looks
like
it's
outside
it's
gonna,
be
in
markets.
Where
can
that
just
be
confirmed?
It
would
basically
be
where
the
bleachers
are
right
now,
for
the
skating
rink
is
that
where
it's
gonna
be
from
through
staff,
first
sustainable,
Kingston,
mistletoe.
A
I
S
K
Second,
question
is:
how
did
this
come
to
be?
Did
the
I
know
that
it
was
in
Ottawa,
so
did
someone
else
and
liked
one
of
the
staff
at
sustainable,
Kingston
or
the
city?
Did
they
see
it
and
inquire
to
bring
it
to
Kingston
or
at
the
8th?
Did
the
exhibitors
like
approached
Kingston
to
see
if
we
wanted
it?
How
did
it
come
to
be
a
three-year.
R
Thank
you
very
much.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
and
then
a
couple
of
comments.
If
I
can
and
I
know,
I
brought
this
up
with
the
city
solicitor,
but
my
understanding
and
it's
been
confirmed
by
some
very
reliable
retired
planners,
is
that
tribunal
doesn't
appear
to
have
the
authority
to
meddle
after
the
board
has
rendered
a
decision
unless
it
that
appeal
is
based
on
some
errors
in
law.
W
W
R
I
guess
my
concern
is
about:
why
would
we
hire
an
expensive
outside
solicitor
and
a
planner
if
an
appeal,
if,
if
we
aren't
as
I
understand
it,
we
weren't
a
party
in
the
tribunal
hearing
we
weren't
a
participant
in
the
hearing
and
the
last
vote
that
was
taken
by
this
counsel?
The
will
of
counsel
was
to
say
no
to
the
development
by
a
six
six
vote,
which
is
procedurally
the
case,
so
the
city
took
no
action
and
never
requested
standing
as
a
party
at
the
tribunal
hearing.
R
A
T
You
and
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
so
I
will
start
and
pass
it
over
to
miss
Nicholson,
who
I'm
sure
will
want
to
add,
and
we
also
have
some
expertise
at
the
table
tonight
which
miss
Nicholson
will
introduce
in
terms
of
Adam
Brown
who's,
a
solicitor
as
well
so
in
in
terms
of
the
reason
why,
from
a
city
staff
perspective,
why
we're
bringing
this
forward
to
counsel?
So
this
is
not
about
the
developer,
requesting
a
mediation
and
so
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
T
T
I
think
everybody
would
agree
that
we
would
like
to
see
housing
for
a
community
which
we
keep
hearing,
that
that's
probably
our
number
one
critical
issue
right
now
in
terms
of
lack
of
housing,
would
a
0.6
percent
vacancy
rate
and
I
think
we
would,
from
a
city
perspective,
definitely
with
the
redevelopment
of
a
property
and
encourage
additional
assessment
growth
to
help
with
our
our
conversations
that
we
will
be
having
around
tax
rates
for
the
city.
So
this
is
something
that
city
staff
are
bringing
forward.
T
It
is
not
something
that
we're
bringing
forward
at
the
request
of
the
applicant.
It
is
something
that
we're
bringing
forward,
because
we
do
believe
that
we
have
an
opportunity
as
a
city,
to
play
a
role.
It
is
an
important
development
for
this
city,
so
with
that
I
will
pass
it
along
to
miss
Nicholson.
Mr.
A
W
Think
that
in
this
particular
case,
he
has
the
experience
to
assist
us
with
responses
regarding
the
process
at
this
point,
as
well
as
providing
additional
experience.
Given
his
experience,
given
his
experience,
given
additional
information
given
as
expiry
as
to
how
we
could
move
forward
with
this
recommendation,
and
so
at
this
point
with
your
submission
I
would
ask
him
to
answer.
Q
R
A
T
You
and
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
so
the
the
recommendation
that
is
before
council
is
one
that
speaks
to
retaining
a
solicitor
to
initiate
a
process,
a
potential
process
of
mediation.
It
is
not
requesting
permission
to
retain
expertise
when
required
to
provide
proper
advice
to
counsel.
So
tonight
we
we
do
have
someone
who
is
here
to
provide
advice
to
counsel,
if
counsel
does
not
want
to
proceed
with
a
potential
mediation
process.
T
A
R
So
the
developer
has
requested
mediation
of
the
tribunal.
Why
is
the
city
even
getting
involved,
given
this
history
and
the
expenses
that
would
be
incurred
by
city
taxpayers,
typically
with
extra
planners
and
external
legal,
it's
upwards
of
$100,000,
they
could
be
the
cost
to
the
city.
For
this
and
I'm
gonna
ask
a
rhetorical
question:
if
the
decision
had
gone
the
other
way
would
a
request
by
the
appellant
groups
even
be
considered
here
tonight
and
that's
probably
a
rhetorical
question.
But
okay.
A
X
So,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Adam
Brown
and
I'm.
The
lawyer,
with
the
thirty
years
of
experience
in
land,
use,
planning
and
tribunal
and
formerly
the
OMB
matters
and
have
dealt
with
these
issues
on
a
day
to
day
basis,
and
it's
the
only
area
of
my
practice
and
I
wrote
some
of
the
questions
down
that
you
had
had
raised.
Are
you
your
worship
and
would
like
to
answer
them?
So,
first
of
all,
the
the
applicant
in
this
situation
didn't
ask
for
mediation.
X
Lets
fault
the
course
of
action
for
a
minute
if
the
courts
allow
a
leave
application
to
proceed-
and
you
have
no
say
in
that
right
now,
because
you
haven't
taken
a
position,
you
have
a
no
decision.
The
courts
can
then
say
the
board,
got
it
wrong.
The
tribunal
now
and
you've
got
to
go
back
to
another
hearing.
Then
you're
going
to
have
your
own
constituents
saying.
Why
are
we
not
representing
their
interests
in
ensuring
that
that
doesn't
happen?
That's
number
one.
X
X
The
position
that
this
report
has
taken
and
what
you're
being
asked
to
do
today
by
your
staff,
is
one
that
is
very
progressive
and
it's
being
done
in
a
very
open
and
fair
manner
to
all
your
constituents,
because
I
read
the
letter
also
from
mr.
Donnelly.
You
have
taken
a
formal
position
before
your
counsel
in
an
open
forum
and
said:
here's
what
we
want
to
do
number
one.
X
The
Planning
Act
says
municipality
should
take
control
of
their
process
and
you
are
then
going
to
make
a
decision
and
your
decision
is
going
to
say
we
don't
want
16
stories.
We
want
a
compromise
proposal
based
on
these
reports
that
were
done,
a
low
team
proposal
as
I
review,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
take
an
active
role
and
we
minimize
the
cost.
We
don't
want
any
more
hearings
for
our
constituents.
X
We
don't
want
their
lawyers
to
have
to
follow
these
two
courses
of
conduct
because
they
will
have
to
follow
these
two
courses
of
conduct.
We
also
don't
want
them
to
go
through
a
new
hearing
and
spend
the
money
on
a
new
hearing
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
all
of
those
routes
are
unsuccessful,
you
have
an
applicant
who
said
we're
coming
back
with
a
revised
proposal
and
this
municipality
is
going
to
have
to
spend
the
money
to
go
through
that
process
again
and
then
the
residents
are
going
to
have
to
pursue
that
process.
X
So
you
are
saying
now
we
are
trying
to
take
control
of
the
process,
you're,
sending
a
message
to
the
community
at
large
outside
of
the
city
who
are
going
to
invest
in
in
the
city
of
kingston
that
we
are
going
to
make
sure
that
in
the
future,
we're
engaged
in
our
own
process
and
you're
doing
so
in
a
public
and
open
forum
and
you're
doing
so
in
a
reasonable
way,
which
will
then
allow
you
to
put
forward
not
a
16-story
proposal,
take
control
of
the
system
and
go
forward
with
a
compromise
proposal.
Thank.
R
Floor,
much
of
that
sure
sounded
like
it
was
planning
and
not
addressing
my
questions
directly,
but
I
do
want
to
say
I'm
the
current
and
I'm
the
former
chair
of
planning,
I've,
sat
through
all
of
this
process
and
what
the
legal
opinion
that
was
just
stated
ignored
was
that
we
had
a
peer
review.
That
clearly
said.
R
17
stories
is
too
much.
We
had
a
full
OMB
hearing,
and
the
judgment
rendered
was
that
it.
This
proposal
did
not
address
our
official
plan
that
had
failed,
both
the
Heritage
aspects
and
our
planning
aspects
that
are
in
the
fish
official
plan.
We
are
on
solid
ground
for
saying
no,
the
the
reality
is.
It
would
be
much
more
appropriate
response
by
this
developer
to
return
with
a
new
application
that
better
fits
our
official
plan
and
current
zoning.
A
new
proposal
by
an
aide
to
planning
would
ensure
a
full,
transparent
public
process.
R
I
just
want
to
remind
members
of
council,
we
are
committed
to
transparency
and
open
government.
What
is
mediation?
Do
it
puts
all
of
the
decision-making
out
of
the
hands
of
the
community
out
of
the
hands
of
Council
and
puts
it
all
behind
closed
doors?
And
if
this
is
what
this
council
chooses
to
support,
then
we're
in
total
defiance
of
our
statement
that
we
want
to
be
more
transparent
and
open
to
our
community.
30.
G
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
and
through
you
I,
would
like
to
read
the
last
paragraph
of
the
staff
report
as
a
jumping
off
point
to
you,
my
questioning
and
it
says,
staff
is
recommending
that
option
three
from
the
peer
review
dated
August
17th
of
2016
attached
here
to
you
provide
a
guideline
for
the
purposes
of
approaching
the
parties
to
mediate.
G
A
resolution
on
the
development
at
two
to
three
princess
Street
I
am
trying
to
understand
the
guidelines
for
the
purposes
of
approaching
the
parties
to
mediate
and
what
that
means
in
relation
to
what
current
zoning
allows
on
that
site.
We
heard
from
the
guest
solicitor
about
a
building
in
the
low
teens.
That's
referenced
in
this
part
is
report
as
well
through
you,
mr.
mayor
I'm,
wondering
I
supposed
Lanning.
Does
the
current
zoning
regulations
for
that
site
allow
for
a
building
in
the
low-teens
miss.
A
Y
G
Okay.
Further
to
that,
then,
as
a
new
counselor
I'm
trying
to
clarify
details
from
past
counsels
and
rulings,
I
came
out
at
the
beginning
of
our
term.
Is
it
fair
to
say
again
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
to
planning
that
the
l-pad
ruling
spoke
against
the
previous
proposal
because
it
didn't
conform
to
the
zoning
regulations
for
that
site?
G
X
So
in
in
providing
a
response
to
the
decision,
the
actual
decision
didn't
say
that
it
failed
because
it
didn't
comply
with
the
zoning.
The
actual
decision
actually
said
intensification
of
the
site
is
warranted,
but
not
at
16
stories.
It
did
not
say
to
you,
your
worship,
the
comment
that
was
made
by
the
other
councillor,
that
it
failed
on
heritage
or
urban
design
or
traffic
or
streetscape,
and
so
it's
why?
X
When
I
read
that
decision
in
light
of
the
appeals
that
are
being
filed,
I
say
to
you
that
what
your
staff
are
putting
to
you
as
a
mediated
resolution,
they're
not
saying
to
you,
go
and
extend
litigation.
They're
saying
take
a
position
that
recognizes
that
the
Bell
Pat
decision
said
eight
stories.
The
existing
zoning
can't
be
what
they
anticipate,
because
it
anticipates
more
intensification
than
eight
but
less
than
16,
and
so
the
report
that's
before
you
today,
actually
acknowledges
that
recommends
the
low-teens
and
says:
let's
go
mediate,
not
fight
a
solution,
mediate,
a
solution.
A
X
Because
what
it
does
you're
exactly
right,
this
report
doesn't
tie
your
hands
at
the
end
of
the
day.
It
allows
you
to
go
into
mediation
with
a
set
of
guidelines
that
you
can
look
at
and
then
come
up
with
a
mediated
resolution
and
still
bring
it
back
to
Council
for
a
final
determination.
It
takes
it,
takes
it
out
of
a
litigious
process
and
gets
rid
of
all
those
added
expense.
Expenses
of
lawyers
and
planners.
G
X
Mediation
is
a
process
where
everyone
who
goes
into
the
process
has
to
come
out
as
I
always
say,
somewhat
happy
and
somewhat
unhappy.
So
mediation
means
that
some
sort
of
consensus
is
attempted
to
be
achieved
with
all
parties,
and
people
have
to
go
in
with
an
open
mind
to
try
and
achieve
that,
and
if
they
do
it,
they
avoid
any
additional
costs
and
they
get
certainty.
And
again,
it's
always
subject
to
Council's
approval
of
whatever's
mediated.
G
Thank
you
to
express
my
concern
clearly
now
in
the
report
before
us
that
were
voting
on
it
says
the
guidelines
for
approaching
mediation
is
within
this
parameters
and
I'm
afraid,
given
the
ruling
which
I
have
read
from
l-pad,
though
it
doesn't
explicitly
Express
a
number
of
floors
that
would
be
appropriate,
we
could
in
fact
be
putting
ourself
into
a
position
where
we're
going
to
have
the
exact
same
ruling
again,
and
this
I
think
speaks
to
a
larger
problem
that
is
before
this
council
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
must
address.
Fundamentally.
G
Will
we
continue
to
allow
essentially
Wars
over
individual
projects
because
they
don't
conform
to
the
official
plan
and
the
zoning
guidelines,
or
will
we
have
a
bigger,
larger,
more
holistic
community
conversation
about
how
we
might
update
the
Official
Plan
in
a
way
that
allows
for
good,
smart,
sustainable
development?
So
we
don't
have
to
have
constant
amendments
in
constant
revisions
and
constant
tribunals
in
the
city.
G
L
L
Y
L
Think
that,
as
we
as
we
sort
of
move
into
the
strategic
planning
process,
I
would
see
this
area
the
area
where
this
building
is
not
so
much
princess,
Street,
but
probably
more
so
Queen
Street
as
being
kind
of
an
area.
That's
in
a
bit
of
transition,
ultimately
I
suspect,
there's
going
to
be
more
development.
That's
going
to
happen
in
that
area
the,
but
it
should
happen
based
on
lots
of
public
consultation,
because
I
think
we
have
to
have
and
finalize
I
think
the
conversations
that
build
the
consensus
around.
L
What
is
our
downtown
going
to
look
like
I?
Think
most
of
us
agree
that
intensification
is
something
that
has
to
happen.
That
development
is
something
that
has
to
happen.
We
certainly
are
looking
at
what
we
can
do
to
address
the
vacancy
rate.
There's
a
lot
of
issues
of
play
there
and
I
think
we
need
to
kind
of
get
moving
on
some
of
those
decisions.
L
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
is
get
this
central
Kingston
growth
study
done,
because
I
think
that
would
also
incorporate
into
it
a
secondary
plan
that
will
address
building
heights,
for
example,
massing,
etc,
setbacks
and
all
those
kinds
of
things
that
are
of
great
concern
to
folks
in
that
area.
I
think
I
think
the
public
consultation
part
of
that
should
talk
a
lot
about.
You
know
where
we
don't
want
that
kind
of
construction
to
happen.
L
We
don't
want
it
to
happen,
and
typically
in
Sydenham
or
in
some
of
those
areas
of
the
city,
but
we
do
recognize
the
need
for
it
to
happen
so
to
have
the
public
consultation
to
have
some
real
conversations
about
what
we
want
the
city
to
look
like
to
incorporate
that
into
the
central
growth
plan
and
the
secondary
plan
that
comes
from.
That
seems
to
me
to
be
the
step
that
we
need
to
take
before
we
decide
we're
going
to
mediate
these
piecemeal.
L
A
Y
Thank
you
through
just
a
point
of
clarification
for
council.
The
boundary
of
the
central
growth,
infill
and
intensification
study
doesn't
include
the
downtown
so
that
work,
that's
going
on
as
part
of
that
secondary
plan
involved,
the
lands
that
were
formerly
part
of
the
city
of
kingston
prior
to
amalgamation,
save
and
except
for
the
downtown
area,
so
that
work
or
that
type
of
contemplation
of
of
height
massing,
isn't
being
done
as
part
of
that
planning
exercise.
Y
What
we
have
before
council
we
had
before
council
in
the
summer
was
recommendations
related
to
retaining
Brent
Totten
to
work
with
us
in
building
a
policy
framework
related
to
tall
buildings,
specifically
in
creating
those
guidelines
in
a
detailed
way
for
the
City
of
Kingston,
so
that
work
is
going
to
be
ongoing
throughout
2019
and
certainly
involves
a
lot
of
community
conversations
to
address
some
of
the
things
I'm
hearing
tonight
from
around
the
horseshoe.
But
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
in
terms
of
the
intent
of
the
policy
work.
Y
T
You
and
I
would
just
like
to
add
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
so
I
I
do
appreciate
and
understand,
and
then
the
need
to
look
at
policies
and
have
a
policy
framework
before
we
make
decisions.
The
issue
is
that
we're
going
to
get
a
number
of
applications
that
are
going
to
come
in
before
all
of
these
plans
are
completed
and,
and
obviously
we
can't
say
we
can't-
we
don't
want
to
make
decisions
on
those.
As
we
know,
we
have
a
time
frame
as
well
to
to
make
decisions
legally
for
these
different
applications.
T
So
we
we
know
that
that's
gonna
happen,
although
ideally,
we
could
stop
everything
everywhere
and
finish
all
the
plans
that
we
need
to
do
for
years
and
then
reopen
the
doors.
I.
Don't
think.
That's
obviously
realistic,
but
the
the
issue
that's
in
front
of
you
tonight
is
being
brought
to
you
not
because
we're
trying
to
piecemeal
this
this
particular
project,
but
because
there
is
a
timing
issue
in
terms
of
the
appeal.
So
the
appeal
has
been
filed
there.
There
are
two
actually
but
one
in
particular.
There
is
a
timing
issue.
T
We
wanted
to
have
the
conversation
with
counsel
in
open
session,
as
the
returning
counselors
know.
Typically,
these
types
of
conversations
we
would
have
in
closed
session
when
it
comes
to
appeal
matters,
but
because
we
we
recognize
the
need
for
transparency
and
openness
and
that's
what
counsel
definitely
wants
to
see.
More
of
that,
we
are
bringing
this
report
to
you
in
open
session
for
this
conversation,
but
I
just
want
to
point
out.
That's
the
reason
why
we're
bringing
it
in
the
absence
of
a
plan
is
because
of
a
timing
with
the
appeal.
S
W
W
S
W
X
The
only
parties
that
can
be
party
to
the
court
appeal
and
the
l-pad
appeal
are
those
parties
to
the
original
hearing
for
mediation
on
consent.
They
can
open
it
up
to
the
municipality,
which
is
what
we're
hopefully
trying
to
achieve
a
mediated
resolution.
So
if
it
goes
to
mediation,
you
would
have
the
city
and
the
residents
and
the
applicant
around
the
table.
S
X
X
X
Is
and
if
they
don't
file
that
it'll
be
unopposed,
so
at
the
end,
so
let's
say
they
didn't
file
it
if
they
chose
not
to
file
any
materials
in
opposition
to
the
request
for
leave
and
the
request
for
rehearing,
then
the
judge
and/or
the
tribunal
would
be
rendering
a
decision
without
any
opposing
views.
So
it's
why
I
said
to
you
before
I,
wouldn't
think
they
would
do
that.
I
would
think
they
would
stay
active.
S
X
There
they've
been
funding
their
own
opposition
to
the
development
with
their
lawyer
and
planners,
so
they
would
have
to
file
affidavit
materials
through
their
lawyer
and
they'd
have
to
get
their
planners
and
other
consultants
to
file
affidavit
materials
to
respond
to
what
the
applicant
had
filed.
So
they
would
have
to
take
an
active
role
if
they
want
to
keep
pursuing
it,
and
so
what
your
motion
before
you
today
says
is
we
the
municipality.
S
X
Not
a
system
that
understand
here
it's
the
provincial
system,
it's
under
the
Planning
Act
and
under
the
Rules
of
Civil
Procedure
you're,
entitled
as
an
applicant
to
has
a
development
application
to
challenge
a
decision
of
a
tribunal.
So
it's
not
anything,
that's
unusual
under
the
rules
and
it's.
If
you
choose
to
be
involved
as
a
party
to
a
proceeding,
then
you
have
to
become
involved
or
file
no
materials.
So
just
as
they
chose
to
be
involved
in
the
appeal
and
opposed
the
application
and
you're
right,
they
succeeded
in
that
opposition.
X
X
No,
so,
okay,
they
file
an
application
to
the
courts.
The
courts
give
you
a
timeline
under
the
Rules
of
Civil
Procedure,
where
you
must
file
materials.
If
you
don't,
then
the
judge
has
only
your
materials
in
support
of
your
appeal
to
the
courts.
So
that's
the
courts
at
the
tribunal,
the
same
rules,
the
board
will
say
to
you
or
the
tribunal.
Now
we
received
a
request
to
review
the
decision.
You
as
a
party
were
involved
in
you.
The
residents
association
they'll,
send
it
to
their
lawyer.
X
X
So
the
city
you're
correct,
because
the
city
made
no
decision.
You
are
not
a
party
to
either
of
those
proceedings.
So
if
the
residents
group
continues
to
be
involved,
they'll
pay
that
cost
through
both
of
those
procedures
on
their
own,
because
they've
been
doing
that
and
if
they
succeed,
then
the
applicant
will
say:
okay
I've
got
to
do
something
I'm
going
to
come
back.
The
decision
said
no
to
my
16
story,
so
I'm
going
to
come
back
with
something
less
because
we
know
they
said
no
I
could.
X
X
A
S
You,
the
fear,
that's
being
generated
in
here
I
think,
is
unfair
for
us
and
it's
gonna
probably
influence
to
vote
in
the
wrong
way
or
in
in
the
expensive
way.
I
personally
believe
that
we
do
have
a
strong
case,
we've
got
open
up.
We've
got
a
no
reason
to
actually
be
here.
It's
the
appellant
who
have
to
do
this,
not
us
if
we
started
mean
mitigate
or
negotiate
with
this,
then
we
are
closing
the
doors
to
the
rest
of
the
community
to
be
involved
here,
and
that
goes
against
open
government.
S
So,
if
they
succeed,
we
follow
the
rules
all
of
the
law,
but
I
don't
think
we
should
be
encouraging
this
or
taking
a
position
on
this
and
certainly
not
making
any
more
expenses
on
this.
So
I'm
gonna
be
sorting
against
this.
It's
really
unwise.
Actually
one
other
point
I
want
to
make.
The
report
says
that
you
even
want
to
mitigate
and
mediate
based
on
the
peer
review.
The
peer
review
was
written
during
the
old
official
plan.
S
We
have
a
new
one,
that's
been
updated,
so
I
submit
to
you
that
it's
been
it's
out
of
date
as
well,
and
the
the
the
it's
also
an
opinion.
In
that
sense,
it's
a
peer
review.
We
have
a
judgment
from
an
L
pad
that
actually
says
they
should
have
asked
for
an
official
plan
amendment
and
that's
what
they
need
to
do
when
they
come
back
actually
listen
to
the
judgment,
because
a
judgment
from
a
promulgating
authority
should
be
an
is
worth
more
than
a
legal
opinion.
A
Y
Thanking
through
you,
so
just
for
clarification.
The
reason
that
we're
here
tonight
is
to
make
sure
that
council
has
the
best
possible
information
to
understand
the
options
that
exist
in
the
complexity
of
the
land.
Use
matter,
that's
for
you.
This
is
an
incredibly
challenging
situation
for
this
municipality,
it's
fairly
unique
and
that
this
municipality
hasn't
faced
something
similar
before
we
retained
external
legal
support
related
to
this
discussion
tonight.
Y
To
make
sure
that
we
had
somebody
here
that
has
actual
experience,
that's
been
through
matters
where
decisions
of
the
board
or
the
l-pad
have
been
appealed
through
different
mechanisms
that
legally
exist
for
people
in
Ontario.
So
these
are
legal
rights
that
are
there
the
board
decision
as
well,
because
we
haven't
had
a
decision
or
a
discussion
with
this
council
about
the
decision
that
was
rendered
or
the
order
that
was
rendered
by
the
board.
Related
to
this
hearing,
we
haven't
had
a
detailed
discussion
about
it.
It's
very
lengthy
and
it's
very
complicated
and
it's
nuanced.
U
Thank
you,
your
worship
and
through
you,
as
mentioned
earlier,
that
basically
like
we're
sort
of
taking
an
ad
hoc
approach
on
this
and
I
would
say
yeah
we
are,
and
it's
it's
based
on
everything.
We've
just
heard
that
that's
gonna
have
to
continue
this.
This
process
sort
of
happened.
We're
gonna
have
to
deal
with
this
one
going
forward
in
the
future.
Can
we
do
better
I'm
sure
we
can
we're
gonna
have
policies.
U
We're
gonna
have
lots
of
conversations
that
our
strategic
planning
we
can
make
a
better
process
going
forward,
but
we
have
to
deal
with
what's
before
us
right
now.
So
one
of
the
reasons
I
think
the
city
can
mediate.
This
is
because
we
weren't
a
party.
Had
we
been
a
party,
then
obviously
you're
a
party.
You
can't
act
as
mediator,
so
I'm,
not
a
hundred
percent
sure
where
I
stand
on
this,
yet
because
there's
a
few
other
things
to
consider.
Some
of
that
is
the
longer
we
delay
a
development
there.
U
Whatever
could
be,
maybe
it's
ten
stories,
maybe
it's
eight.
The
longer
we
forego
tax
dollars
in
tax
revenue
there,
the
longer
we
don't
put
people
downtown
and
densify
it.
So
there's
there's
a
cost
to
doing
nothing
as
well
as
there's
a
cost
to
doing
something.
The
other
thing
is,
we
all
heard
it.
We've
all
said
it.
The
vacancy
rate
in
Kingston
is
not
gonna
change
on
its
own,
so
we've
got
to
get
better
at
getting
things
built
that
can
actually
have
people
living
in
them.
U
So
that's
something
where
you
have
two
competing
priorities:
I
understand,
there's
a
concern
about
height
and
that's
something
where
we
have
an
opportunity
now
to
come
back
to
the
table
to
bring
both
priorities
back.
We
also
heard,
if
I
heard
this
correctly,
that
if
the
community
wants
to
continue
to
appeal
this
and
be
a
party
to
that,
they're
gonna
make
her
more
expenses.
U
If
the
city
mediates
this,
then
all
of
a
sudden
it's
now
the
city
that
will
occur
they'll
incur
those
expenses
and
that
community
group
is
not
going
to
have
to
basically
continue
on
their
own.
This
will
now
be
a
more
holistic
conversation
with
the
city
as
a
mediator.
So
a
quick
question
would
be
what
would
be
the
cost
to
the
city
roughly,
and
you
may
not
have
this.
If
this
all
failed
and
a
new
application
was
to
come,
there'd
be
a
cost,
because
the
city
would
have
to
go
through
all
those
steps
again.
U
A
T
Or
mr.
mayor
I,
I,
don't
so
first
of
all,
I
don't
have
an
exact
number
but
I.
My
understanding
is
your
question
is:
if
we
go
through
the
mediation
process,
we
retain
somebody
to
support
that
mediation
process
and
that
fails.
Then
then,
there's
a
new
application
that
comes
in
so
in
terms
of
the
mediation
I
think
we
would
know
fairly
quickly
if
there's
room
in
terms
of
negotiation
and
mediation
on
the
file.
I,
don't
think
that's
something
that
would
take
months
but
in
terms
of
actual
final
cost.
T
I
do
not
know
what
that
would
be
in
terms
of
filing
a
new
application.
So
obviously
we
would
go
through
the
same
process
as
we
usually
go
through
for
all
application
which,
for
most
of
Council
you're
aware
that
those
types
of
application
would
take
about
a
year
or
so
to
get
through,
and
then
there's
always
a
chance
of
appeal
of
that
application
as
well
and
then
chances
are.
We
would
be
a
party
to
that
appeal.
T
U
T
You
and
through
mr.
mayor,
we
would
not
be
recommending
it
if
we
didn't
think
that
it
wasn't
the
most
potentially
cost
effective
and
efficient
way
to
try
to
resolve
this
matter.
We
understand
that
it's
not
going
to
be
16-story,
we
get
that
and
we
understand
that.
There's
a
need
to
proceed
or
an
interest
to
proceed
with
development
to
on
this
property,
so
trying
to
mediate
something
in
between
and
along
the
lines
of,
the
peer
review,
I
think
is
what
we're
proposing
and
and
we're
trying
to
do
that
for
the
best
outcome
of
the
community.
T
U
I,
just
sort
of
to
frame
this
up
quickly
is
basically
we
have
a
chance
here
to
now
try
to
mediate.
This
we're
gonna
get
pulled
in
one
way
or
the
other.
There
is
a
chance
and,
however
remote
it
is
there's
a
chance
that
if
we
don't
get
involved
now
that
an
appeal
could
succeed
and
that
could
end
up
regardless
of
everything-
that's
happened
as
a
16-story
building,
which
would
basically
undo
all
the
work.
U
You
can
shake
your
head
and
and
just
believe
that
as
much
as
you
want,
but
that
is
a
reality
that
could
happen
so
that
could
undo
all
the
work
and
then
that's
it.
It
could
be
16
stories
for
the
appeal
could
be
rejected
and
throwing
out,
and
they
could
come
back
at
14
stories
and
we
go
around
and
around
and
around
again.
U
So
why
not
try
to
get
the
two
parties
together
and
come
to
some
sort
of
compromise,
because
we're
gonna
be
doing
this
one
way
or
the
other
again
and
again
and
again,
something's
gonna
happen
there.
So
the
other
thing
that
I'm
cognizant
of
at
this
point
is
that
if
we
don't
get
involved
at
this
point,
it's
gonna
fall
back
on
the
citizens
of
Kingston.
That
filed
the
appeal
to
pay
for
this
to
continue.
U
D
Thank
you,
your
worship,
first
I
just
want
to
say
I
was
really
I
was
really
emotional.
When
I
saw
this
item
on
on
the
agenda,
because
I
thought
this
had
been
settled
at
the
l-pad
Appeal
decision
in
November,
it
was
such
an
emotional
time
for
all
my
constituents
and
all
of
us
here
and
everything
that
happened
and
we're
not
gonna
rehash
it.
But
we
know
a
lot
of
stuff
went
down
and
then
I
see
this
and
I
agree.
It
is
staffs
sincere
attempt
to
try
to
steer
us
in
a
direction
of
the
least
harm.
D
I,
understand
that
I
see
this
all
the
time
at
the
hospital
you
have
to
choose
sometimes
between
two
very
potent
forms
of
suffering
that
your
patient
goes
through,
but
one
of
them
you
have
to
recommend
and
they're
both
bad
well.
In
this
case,
though,
let's
not
lose
sight
of
the
forest
for
the
trees.
We
face
the
people
we
go
door
to
door,
the
13
of
us.
We
go
door-to-door
and
we
hear
what
they
have
to
say
and
they
need
clarity.
Everybody
needs
clarity.
D
The
official
plan
on
paper
in
general,
if
you
read
the
Municipal
Act
and
everything
else,
and
the
Planning
Act,
the
official
plan,
should
be
a
helpful
tool
when
we
brought
it
into
the
city
before
most
of
us
were
here
it
it
looked.
Very
optimistic
was
gonna,
be
a
helpful
tool.
Its
purpose
was
to
bring
clarity
to
the
process,
to
reduce
this
kind
of
squabbling
over
the
each
ad
hoc
decision.
That
gets
appealed
and
then
reappeared.
D
This
kind
of
thing
it's
everybody's
worst
nightmare
and
it's
very
emotional
and
the
way
out
is
what
kita
councilor
Kiley
was
saying.
We
need
more
clarity,
and
so
yes,
there
will
be
a
delay
before
some
of
the
secondary
plans
are
done
and,
yes,
we
might
need
another
Official
Plan
Update
in
the
meantime.
What
do
we
do?
That's
what
this
question
is.
What
do
we
do?
D
The
suggestion
from
staff
is
that
we
get
some
more
expensive
lawyers
and
we
mediate,
which
is
what
they've
recommended
in
other
ways,
and
we
know
how
that
goes
down
amongst
members
of
the
public.
They
do
not
like
it
when
we
do
that
they
don't
like
it.
So
why
would
we
do
it?
What
they
like
is
the
public
process.
They
can
speak
to
us.
They
can
tell
us
what
they
think.
Sometimes
they
win.
D
Sometimes
they
lose
in
this
case
they
won
and
we're
gonna
go
and
say
well,
not
so
fast
we're
gonna
meet
you
I,
don't
think
politically,
that's
a
very
good
idea
at
all.
Unless,
of
course,
your
supporters
had
in
the
way
that
you
collected
was
by
saying
that
you
were
going
to
push
as
hard
as
you
could
to
get
things
built,
regardless
of
whether
there
was
a
public
process
or
not
and
I
understand
in
some
residents
of
Kingston.
D
That's
a
very
appealing
thing
to
say,
and
maybe
some
of
you
got
elected
that
way
and
if
so
go
ahead
and
vote
for
the
recommendation.
I
did
not
get
elected
that
way.
I
got
elected
by
listening
to
my
constituents
and
I'm
a
hundred
percent
certain
than
the
majority
I
at
65%
of
the
vote.
Chair
majority
of
the
residents
of
Sydenham
do
not
want
mediation
on
this
import
important
downtown
place.
They
do
want
something
built
and
the
way
that
you
do
it
so
with
ad-hoc.
We
need
to
be
firm,
not
conciliatory.
D
We
need
to
be
firm
with
ad-hoc,
we're
stuck
doing
ad
hoc.
We
still
need
to
be
firm,
I
disagree
with
staff
on
this.
We
need
to
show
leadership.
We
need
to
say
no
to
this.
We
need
to
respect
the
L
path
decision
and
the
applicants
need
to
resubmit
their
planning
documents
for
a
much
more
appropriate
thing,
which
is
what
we
were
all
telling
them
during
the
process
and
they
ignored
us
because
they
wanted
to
play
high-stakes
poker
well,
this
is
what
happens.
D
You
come
back
in
the
planning
process,
you
follow
the
rules
and
you
submit
something
that
is
conforming
with
the
Official
Plan.
If
we
don't
hold
firm,
our
official
plan
is
worth
nothing.
This
was
a
constant
theme
throughout
the
election,
I'm,
very
confident
that
this
recommendation
should
fail.
Thank
you
thank.
A
You
so
I
rarely
do
this,
but
I
will
remind
council
that
there
was
one
individual
around
around
this
table
that
canvassed
and
spoke
to
residents
in
every
single
district,
and
that
was
me
and
I'm.
Gonna.
Tell
you
what
the
general
message
that
I
got
was,
and
it
may
not
be
what
you
think
it
was
basically
a
cry
for
compromise.
A
A
This
is
my
view,
but
it's
really
a
shame
that
there's
this
giant
gulf
on
the
one
hand,
thousands
of
people's
wanting
an
eight-story
building
and
thousands
of
other
wanting
a
16-story
building,
there's
like
8
storeys
in
the
middle
and
yet
polarized
unable
to
have
a
conversation
to
try
to
bring
together.
So
when
I
saw
this
staff
recommendation,
I'll
be
honest
with
you.
A
My
first
reaction
to
it
was
actually
could
this
be
an
opportunity
for
us,
as
a
new
council,
to
try
to
kind
of
bridge
the
gap
between
these
two
polarized
camps
that
based
on
the
discussion
that
I've
seen
over
the
last
hour.
That
clearly
has
not
happened,
and
that
is
disappointing,
but
it
is
what
it
is.
A
My
personal
feeling
is
that
mediation
is
not
a
path
forward.
I
have
a
letter
from
mr.
Donnelly
that
was
addressed
to
me.
That
said
very
clearly
that
there
is
one
party
that
is
not
interested
in
mediation,
so
in
some
place,
I
think
this
discussion
is
a
bit
of
a
moot
point
personally.
I'm
quite
happy
with
what
people
have
suggested
is
that
we
can
go
through
the
planning
process
again
and
there
could
be
some
something
else.
That's
brought
forward,
but
I
I
am
just
going
to
try
to
manage
people's
expectations.
A
My
feeling
is
that
we're
probably
going
to
be
talking
something
between
8
and
16.
So
in
my
view,
this
is
really
just
an
opportunity
for
council
to
send
a
signal.
Do
we
want
to
send
a
signal
that,
even
though
we're
99.9%
sure
that
mediation
is
not
going
to
proceed
here
or
do
we
want
to
just
send
a
signal
to
say
that
we
want
to
find
some
middle
ground
on
this
issue?
That's
all!
A
So,
that's
really
the
only
reason
why
I'm
going
to
support
this,
not
because
I
think
that
this
is
actually
going
to
be
a
path.
That's
going
to
succeed,
and
not
because
of
my
prior
position
on
this
particular
application.
But
I've
heard
a
lot
of
people
on
this
I
honestly
believe
that
the
best
thing
for
the
community
is
to
try
to
move
forward
in
a
way
that
brings
together
rather
than
pulls
apart
now.
I
understand
some
people
say
that
by
voting
for
this
in
favor
of
this
year,
you're
actually
taking
the
more
divisive
I.
A
Just
simply
disagree
with
that.
I
think
that
whenever
you
use
the
word,
mediation
that
to
me
is
all
about
trying
to
bring
people
together.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
probably
not
going
to
work,
but
at
least
it
allows
us
politically
as
a
council
with
no
official
position
on
this
development
to
say.
We'd
rather
move
towards
the
middle
ground.
A
That's
the
only
reason
why
I'm
gonna
support
this
at
the
end
of
the
day,
regardless
of
what
happens
here,
I
think
that
that's
the
direction
that
we're
moving
I
appreciate
the
comments
about
wanting
to
have
a
holistic
discussion
which
we
need
to
have
on
design
and
location
of
taller
buildings,
but
in
the
meantime
there
are
other
applications
that
are
come
come
forward.
Let's
just
try
to
signal
that,
ultimately
we're
looking
for
a
compromise.
A
O
Thank
You
mayor
Paterson-
I
am-
I
do
want
to
refer
to
the
letter
that
you
just
mentioned
from
the
Dalton
Donnelly
law
firm
in
that
letter
and
I
just
want
to
read
one
sentence.
It
says
we
are
authorized
to
advise
you.
Our
clients
will
not
accept
an
invitation
to
undo
the
November
9,
2018,
Local,
Planning,
Appeals,
Tribunal
decision
and
then
not
accept
is
underlined.
So
I
would
like
to
ask
about
that.
O
They
have
already
won
and
all
of
a
sudden
will
they
be
in
a
position
of
well
now
we
they
don't
look
like
they're
open
for
mediation,
discussion
where
I
believe
it
in
the
letter
was
also
mentioned,
that
they
had
it
earlier
in
the
process
asked
for
mediation,
and
that
was
not
accepted
from
the
other
side.
So
now
I
feel
like
we're
putting
this
group
into
a
pretty
difficult
position,
because
it
may
not
make
them
look
good.
So
it's
just
wonder
what
it's.
X
Two
things
number
one:
your
report
is
not
asking
for
council
to
authorize
supporting
an
appeal
of
the
decision
or
to
support
overturning
the
decision.
In
any
way.
Your
actual
recommendation
is
to
only
be
involved
in
mediation
to
try
and
get
a
mediated
resolution
at
a
lowered
height
which
actually
pays
respect
to
the
decision.
Saying
16
is
too
high
and
on
the
second
question
of
the
residents,
nobody
no
party
can
be
forced
into
mediation.
X
So
if
the
direction
is
to
try
and
seek
out
mediation
with
all
parties
and
after
they
hear
that
you're
not
trying
to
undo
the
decision,
you're
trying
to
get
a
mediated
resolution
at
something
lower
than
16
and
that
doesn't
undo
the
decision,
it
only
can
move
forward
if
they
agree
and
it's
consensual,
that's
how
mediation
takes
place.
It's
in
essence,
counsel,
trying
to
say
we'd
like
to
help
everybody
resolve
the
issue
at
a
lower
height,
not
to
undo
the
decision.
A
H
X
A
W
H
That
was
a
bit
confusing
I.
Think
you'll,
miss
okay,
so
developer
has
not
requested
mediation.
You
have
to
be
clear
about
this.
It's
not
a
question
of
the
citizens,
not
wanting
to
do
it
just
by
themselves.
The
developer
hasn't
requested
it
either.
In
fact,
they've
done
something
completely
different.
They've
gone
to
the
divisional
court
to
ask
to
for
leave
to
appeal.
Okay,.
T
H
A
A
H
H
So
what
the
odds
are
of
them
even
getting
to
the
point
of
Appeal
is
well
as
the
lawyer
as
a
solicitor
over
here
said
it's
hard
to
tell
right,
but
it's
not
clear.
They
can
they're,
not
appealing
they're,
asking
to
be
allowed
to
appeal.
I've
got
a
completely
different
thing,
so
you've
written
this
letter,
which
we
just
heard
about
now
and
then
the
citizens
are
not
interests
at
this
time
in
mediation,
as
their
letter
says,
and
the
reason
is,
they
won
right.
H
They
went
to
the
tribunal
and
they
won
so
and
let's
see,
what's
important
here
is
understand
what
were
they
arguing
for?
They
were
defending
the
Official
Plan
and
the
bylaw
okay.
When
I
went
door-to-door,
people
made
it
we're
shocked,
even
if
they
were
sort
of
pro
something
being
developed
on
this
property.
When
you
tell
them
it's
not
in
line
with
the
Official
Plan,
that
is
not
in
line
with
the
bylaw,
their
attitude
changes
and
because
they
think
we
think,
through
all
this
process,
we
set
up
the
Official
Plan.
We
consulted.
H
We
agreed
on
certain
things
and
now,
when
it
applies
in
this
particular
case,
it's
going
out
the
window.
People
don't
understand
that
kind
of
process
at
all,
I'm,
not
saying
it
isn't
done
in
municipalities
all
the
time
it
is,
and
it
has
been
centered
out
by
researchers
as
one
of
the
biggest
problems
in
Ontario
land
development.
Now
the
peer
review
is
the
basis
for
this
mediation,
but
the
peer
review
is
actually
not
acceptable
to
the
citizens.
Why?
H
Because
it
says
low-teens,
their
position
is
defending
the
bylaw
and
the
Official
Plan,
which
allowed,
as
you
heard,
for
about
eight
stories.
So
why
would
they
enter
a
process
where
of
mediation
that
undermines
their
own
position?
Just
by
saying
yes
means
now
you're
waffling
nobody
in
the
right
mind
who
is
already
one
is
going
to
accept
that?
Okay-
and
the
second
thing
that's
really
important
here
is
they
see
the
city
is
not
being
impartial.
H
True,
we
didn't
have
standing,
but
equally
true
is
that
staff
put
forward
report
supporting
sixteen
stories
right.
We
all
know
that
switch
the
ones
of
the
city
around
here,
so
that
mean,
and
they
were
brought
in,
we
didn't
take
standing,
which
was
good
because
of
the
type
lost
vote,
but
developer
knew
they
could
call
on
city
staff
to
testify
in
a
way
that
was
beneficial
to
the
developer,
not
the
citizens,
okay,
so
why
would
the
citizens
accept
such
a
you
know
situation
it?
Doesn't
it
doesn't
suit
their
position
at
all?
H
So
that's
it
I
think
this
the
Mayor
was
getting
at.
This
whole
discussion
is,
in
my
view,
premature.
Okay,
it's
premature
they're,
going
individual
court,
they're
gonna
win:
are
they
gonna
lose
and
then
you
know
the
whole
cycle
is
counselor.
Boone
said
we'll
start
all
over,
but
nothing
to
do
with
the
city.
It's
got
to
do
with
the
process.
That's
beyond
us.
Now,
I'm.
Z
H
K
K
I
just
can't
see
that
the
citizens
group
represented
by
Donnelly
law,
would
accept
thirteen
stories.
I
think
the
only
chance
mediation
would
have
you
know
been
able
to
get
to
maybe
would
be
ten
or
eleven
stories.
You
know
more
along
the
lane
of
the
height
of
an
align
condominium,
just
a
little
bit
above
the
Official
Plan.
That
to
me
would
be
the
only
way
mediation
could
work
with.
You
know
it
being
mediated
at
thirteen
stories
that
this
recommendation
approved.
K
A
A
A
A
H
A
H
T
You
and
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
so
the
community
indicators
that
are
in
front
of
Council
tonight
are
not
we're
not
asking
council
to
to
approve
the
indicators
because
they're
community
base,
so
we
can't
impose
on
United,
Way
and
Kim.
You
found
a
ssin
and
everybody
else
went
indicators.
They
they
should
be
using.
The
community
indicators
that
are
being
presented
to
you
have
been
agreed
upon
by
all
these
organization,
including
the
Community
Foundation,
who
has
been
at
the
table
as
part
of
the
steering
committee.
T
They
do
have
indicators
that
are
very
focused
in
some
areas,
so,
for
example,
they
don't
necessarily
look
as
much
as
as
these
indicators
do
in
terms
of
the
environment,
so
the
Community
Foundation
tends
to
look
more
at
vulnerable
population
and
really
zero
in
on
that
and
get
into
a
lot
more
detail
than
these
community
indicators.
Do
we
have
much
broader
indicators?
That's
why
we
had
organizations
like
Petco
at
the
table,
the
police
at
the
table,
etc.
H
A
G
Thank
you,
mayor
Paterson,
through
you,
too
Commissioner
a
kid.
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
comments
made
about
the
FCM
grant.
We
have
some
money
remaining
from
that
for
purchasing
of
electric
vehicles,
but
the
provincial
top
up
didn't
come
through
because
that
program
was
cancelled.
Is
there
any
way
that
we
could
work
with
other
municipalities
who
also
receive
the
FCM
grant
and
find
some
type
of
purchasing
power
working
with
them
or
if
there's
like
a
deal
for
bulk
buying?
That
could
happen
just.
Q
You,
your
worship,
the
FCM
grant
that
that
we
were
awarded
councilor
was
very
specific
to
funding
I'm
trying
to
go
from
memory,
and
perhaps
mr.
huben
boss
can
correct
me
or
mr.
dejardine,
if
he's
still
here,
but
I,
think
it
was
very
specific
to
funding
a
charging,
some
charging
infrastructure
and
and
a
small
and
a
portion
of
the
bus.
Q
H
H
One
of
my
observations
about
this
report
is
that
the
there's
certain
correlate
possible
correlations
won't
even
call
them.
You'd
have
to
do
with
the
larger
sectors
of
consumption
of
energy
and
the
emissions
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
I
was
wondering
think
my
question
is
pretty
broad,
so
it
was.
Do
we
have
a
plan
to
help
reduce
these
larger
sectors
of
consumption
and
emissions,
mainly
the
icy
eye
sector,
the
industrial,
commercial
and
institutional
sector
and
transportation?
H
Now
as
a
corporate
entity,
the
city
is
making
some
really
great
initiatives
right
and
doing
some
really
good
things.
The
problem
for
us
is
as
a
community
and
whether
we
have
a
way
of
intervening
in
processes
so
that
we
can
actually
reduce
greenhouse
gases,
especially
in
those
sectors
like
they
make
up
the
vast
majority
of
energy
consumption
and
emissions.
So
so
I'm
just
wondering,
and
in
that
I
have
a
secondary
question
which
may
help
mr.
McClatchy
respond
is.
P
P
With
respect
to
the
IC
and
I
sector,
that's
where
our
work,
the
sustainable,
Kingston's
green
economy
programs,
is
targeted,
we're
specifically
targeting
their
program
at
the
IC
and
I
sector
in
Kingston.
So
that's
that's
a
sector
that
their
green
economy
program
is
particularly
good
at
reaching,
because
it
creates
a
framework
that
appeals
to
to
businesses
and
institutions
like
that.
It's.
H
P
They
have
31
members,
as
we
heard
tonight,
they've
accounted
for
21
thousand
and
change
tons
of
greenhouse
gas
reduction.
So,
admittedly
that's
a
relatively
small
amount,
but
is
it
is
growing
they
did.
They
do
have
a
trend
of
growing
that
and
I'm
happy
with
that.
I'm
also
happy
with
ideas.
You
know
that
that
could
help
us
expedite
that
as
well.
H
A
H
A
H
Okay,
all
right
trying
to
think
how
to
say
this,
who
is
that
the
sustainable
Kingston
environment
conference
last
week
and
Scott
heard
the
environmental
commissioner
say
that
things
are
worse
than
we
even
think.
That's
my
one
question.
My
next
question
is:
that's
not
a
question.
This
is
I
asked.
Who
was
there
no.
A
A
D
D
So
this
is,
this
report
is
based
on
something
that
went
through
the
accessory
advisory
committee
about
by
accessible
we're
talking
about
people
with
disabilities
needing
to
access
the
elections.
That's
the
kind
of
accessibility
that's
talking
about
what
about?
Where
are
we
going
to
get
a
different
report
that
speaks
about
general
accessibility,
because
in
this
report
it
talks
about
the
location
of
the
poles
and
like,
for
example,
a
countryside?
Had
three
poles?
D
I
did
not
know
that
someplace
most
of
us
when
we
had
to
and
then
we
had
advanced
polls
as
well
in
Sydenham,
the
the
two
poles
were
within
two
blocks
of
each
other
and
more
than
half
of
the
district
geographically
did
not
have
access
to
a
pole
within
walking
distance.
To
me,
that's
an
accessibility
concern,
but
that's
not
addressed
by
this
report.
What
can
what
will
we
be
getting
to
address
those
concerns?
Mr.
AA
Clarke,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Counselor.
The
the
first
permit
reelection
incorporated
a
number
of
new
initiatives
for
this
past
election,
including
the
free
transit
and
the
different
types
of
voting
opportunities.
What
we
proposed
to
do
going
forward
is
take
a
look
at
the
comments
that
we
received
and
feedback
that
we
received
to
improve
the
experience
for
both
the
candidate,
as
well
as
the
elector,
taking
a
look
at
initiatives
that
may
include
voting
anywhere
in
this
city,
which
should
help
to
allow
for
people
to
be
able
to
vote
to
get
the
voter
turnout
up.
AA
But
this
report,
to
be
quite
frank,
is,
is
a
specific
requirement
for
us,
under
the
miss
of
Elections
Act,
to
bring
the
report
forward
accounts
within
90
days,
which
we're
doing
and
what
we've
tried
to
do
is
provide
the
comments
that
we
receive
both
from
the
public
and
the
staff.
With
respect
to
our
initiatives
related
to
accessibility,
it
is
both
broad
and
it
is
also
a
narrowing
vision
as
well.
There
is
the
further
report
that's
coming
for
saf.
AA
If
the
idea
was
ever
going
to
come
forward
with
an
additional
report,
this
is,
as
I
said,
a
report
that's
required
under
the
Act
and
we
hope
to
incorporate
future
initiatives
going
forward.
The
transit
was
something
that
worked
out
really
well
this
year
and
we
hope
to
utilize
that
for
upcoming
elections
as
well.
D
Okay,
so
just
to
be
clear,
there
is
another
report
coming,
but
there's
nothing
specifically
that
would
address
walkability
to
the
polls
or
whether
we
are
looking
at
having
polls
distributed
through
the
city
and
being
able
to
vote
everywhere,
so
that
everything
is
what
there's
a
walkability
radius
that
you
can
use.
But
I
was
wondering
if
that
is
going
to
be
part
of
the
report.
So.
AA
AA
D
AA
G
G
AA
Once
again,
thank
you
for
that
question.
The
city
of
kingston
made
its
own
decision
a
meeting,
kingston
solution
with
respect
to
what
happened
during
the
internet
voting
opportunity.
It
was
delayed
for
an
hour
and
50
minutes,
so
I
made
the
decision
to
extend
it
by
an
hour
and
15
minutes,
which
I
thought
was
fair
and
I
also
allowed
that
to
happen
at
the
poll.
So
we
kept
the
polls
open
an
extra
hour
in
15
minutes.
AA
It
had
an
issue
with
our
our
provider
with
through
Dominion,
which
we
believe
have
dealt
with
the
issue
going
forward,
but
the
council
kunuk
rest
assure
that
we
will
not
fall
into
that
situation
going
forward.
We
will
be
tendering
that
particular
or
ours
peeing,
that
particular
aspect
going
forward,
but
it
was
something
that
happened
with
our
vendor
and
we
dealt
with
it.
Other
municipality
extended
it
by
a
day
many
many
hours.
We
did
what
we
thought
was
reasonable.
We
had
the
results
that
evening
and
all
in
all,
I
thought
the
election
went
really
well.
AA
O
AA
Thank
you
for
that
question
as
well.
We
had
17
or
18
seniors
residences
where
we
had
specific
polling
stations
for
those
residents.
There's
a
formula
within
the
municipal
elections
Act
that
talks
about
having
polls
within
those
particular
locations
and
we
complied
with
the
legislation
we
did
not
allow
for
members
outside
of
the
different
facilities
come
in.
It
is
the
residents
homes.
AA
So
if
we
have
deviated
from
that,
it's
only
because
the
number
of
beds
and
the
legislation
has
impacted
on
that,
but
every
every
four
years
we
make
that
determination
based
on
the
previous
locations,
and
we
run
it
through
the
formula
and
the
legislation.
So
if
something
didn't
go
to
that
particular
station
or
elliptical
location,
it's
only
because
it
didn't
meet
the
definitions
within
the
ACT.
L
One
question
that
came
up
for
me
was
around
the
use
of
secondary
high
schools
in
order
to
accommodate
polling
stations.
A
lot
of
seniors
seem
to
be
quite
intimidated
to
go
on
to
a
secondary
school
site,
for
that
sort
of
you
know
for
voting,
and
that
parking
was
difficult,
always
difficult,
but
just
I
think
largely
the
number
of
kids,
and
you
know
that
they,
a
lot
of
seniors
just
felt
uncomfortable
I.
L
AA
Poe.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
We
look
at
all
the
different
facilities
based
on
a
criterion
that
takes
into
account
a
lot
of
the
accessibility
features
that
we
would
like
to
see
in
those
particular
locations.
The
secondary
school
locations
offer
so
larger
avenue
through
the
gymnasiums
and
whatnot
to
be
able
to
have
the
election
run
a
little
more
smoother.
I
can
tell
you
that
we
will
be
working.
AA
But
we
review
all
our
locations
every
election
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
right
ones
and,
as
I
said,
or
touch
on
briefly
before
we
may
be
looking
at
both
anywhere
in
the
city
which
will
change
the
dynamics
of
the
different
locations
that
we'll
be
using,
because
we
may
not
need
as
many
locations
that
we
may
move
away
from
the
schools.
At
the
same
time,.
C
Your
worship
I
have
noticed
that
the
survey
didn't
or
I
guess
the
quite.
The
question
is
whether
this
question
was
on
the
survey,
but
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
any
feedback
on
the
issue.
Regarding
the
lack
of
a
lack
of
voter
cards
that
were
distributed,
it
seemed
in
apartment
buildings,
very
dense
buildings
in
various
parts
of
the
city,
so
I'm
just
curious.
If
that
was
something
that
came
up
because
the
location
and
the
building
and
the
knowledge
of
where
to
vote
were
all
the
factors
that
sort
of
played
out
together.
AA
AA
AA
A
A
N
You
brought
up
my
favorite
four
letter.
Word
impact.
My
question
to
you
is:
is
it
possible
that
going
into
the
next
election
since
impact
has
a
great
ability
to
say
that
we
give
you
80%
accuracy
in
your
voters
list
that
we
retain
our
20%?
Are
we
pay
impact
the
year
going
into
the
election
equivalent
to
the
accuracy
of
the
voters
list?
N
AA
Clerk
I'm
sure
we
can
bring
that
up
in
our
discussions,
whether
it's
that
black
and
white
I
don't
believe
it
is.
There
is
something
that
has
to
happen
with
that
board.
It's
not
just
in
Kingston,
it's
another
municipalities
in
its
other
forms
of
Elections
as
well,
whether
it
be
federal
provincial,
but
we
will
be
having
a
very
spirited
discussion
with
impact
shortly.
R
A
R
N
A
R
T
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
so
I
do
have
to
say
that
the
issue
around
that
the
community
brought
forward
in
terms
of
their
concerns
and
the
conversation
that
we
had
around
heightened
density.
We
are
bringing
something
forward
to
the
community
that
we
believe
generally
meet
the
intent,
but
I
do
have
to
say
to
Council.
This
will
be
an
application
that
you
will
have
to
go
through
and
that
will
be
outside
of
the
zoning.
T
So
it
will
be
one
of
the
many
to
come
through
the
four-year
term
and
that
we
won't
have
the
perfect
plan
in
place
to
address
it.
So
I
just
wanted
to
flag
that,
because,
even
though
the
community
might
be
comfortable
generally
speaking,
what's
being
proposed,
it
still
has
to
go
through
an
amendment.
I.
C
You
worship
and
I
should
I
know.
I
should
just
be
patient,
given
that
this
is
coming
to
us
quite
soon,
but
I'm
curious,
I'm
gonna
push
my
luck
here.
Do
we?
The
report
suggests
that
it
talks
about
the
potential
for
partnership
with
a
non-profit,
and
this
when
we
last
saw
I
think
when
we
the
sweet.
When
we
saw
this
motion,
sorry
in
June,
the.
C
It
seemed
as
though
that
was
a
preferred
route
given
the
history
of
CJM
and
its
lack
of
the
the
original
proposal
was
not
feasible
for
a
number
of
reasons
to
do
with
what
was
deemed
to
be
that
it
wasn't
cost
effective
for
gjm
to
build.
The
number
of
affordable
units
said
that
we
were
looking
for.
So
my
question
is
about
whether
or
not
at
this
point
we
can
find
out
if
there
is
a
non
profit
involved.
T
You
and
three
mr.
mayor:
yes,
there
is
a
non-for-profit
involved
and
the
benefit
as
well.
The
not-for-profit
is
not
just
the
number
of
units,
but
it's
also
the
long-term
affordability
of
the
units.
So
we
have
agreements,
as
you
know,
with
the
private
sector
in
terms
of
affordable
units,
but
they're,
typically
based
on
a
20-year
term,
which
means,
after
those
that
term
expires,
they
can
be
returned
back
to
market
and
and
most
do
tend
to
do
that
with
the
non
for
profit
organization.
D
Z
The
tech
board
was
working
with
the
current
tenant
juniper
cafe
in
looking
to
offer
a
short-term
extension
to
their
lease
and
to
allow
them
to
negotiate
a
purchaser
recognizing
the
fact
that
the
lease
was
expiring.
So
the
the
plan
was,
if
that
couldn't
get
done,
that
an
RFP
would
be
released
and,
as
noted
in
the
report,
the
RFP
was
that
was
held
off
from
being
released
in
order
to
facilitate
negotiations,
and
then
also
once
it
was
released
was.
Z
Z
Eventually,
it
came
to
a
point
where
the
tent
had
to
go
fully
forward
with
the
with
the
RFP.
The
RFP
was
posted
after
a
expression
of
interest
period
attracted
to
potential
proponents.
Those
proponents
had
taken
the
the
RFP
and
were
in
the
process.
A
third
proponent
did
ask
to
be
involved
based
on
potential
purchase
of
the
Juniper,
which
was
permitted
and
then
later
withdrew
from
the
process.
So
the
original
two
were
still
there.
Z
That
process
has
now
been
halted
by
the
tab
board,
based
on
the
information
in
the
report
and
the
work
that
we've
done
together
as
a
city
in
the
tech
board.
There
have
been
no
submissions
by
those
proponents.
Some
questions
were
put
in
through
the
RFP
process,
but
the
RFP
is
similar
wording
to
the
city
standard
RFP,
which
does
allow
for
cancellation,
a
postponement
and
and
all
those
types
of
things
so
that
that's
where
we're
at
or
where
the
temp
or
is
that
the
RFP
has
been
suspended
and
those
performance
have
been
notified
of
that.
D
Okay,
so
the
explanation
for
what
was
in
the
letter
is
that
the
it
had
started
and
there
were
two
people
that
come
forward
to
party
to
come
forward,
but
they
never
finished
their
submissions
and
therefore
there's
no
cost
to
them
or
to
the
city
to
cancel
the
RFP.
For
now
now
go
looking
to
the
future,
so
say
we're
back
here
in
May
after
the
three-month
period.
There's
two
possible
outcomes.
I
suppose
at
this
point
one
is
that
they
do
find
a
seller
like
they've,
been
seeking
all
this
time.
D
That
would
presumably
continue
the
Juniper
pretty
much
identical
to
to
its
current
setup
or
they
fail
to
find
a
buyer,
and
then
we
would
be
going
along
the
lines
of
what
happened
before
another
RFP
started
by
the
tech
Board
of
Management
and
pretty
much
identical
to
the
one
that
just
got
suspended.
But
at
a
later
time
line.
Is
that
correct.
Z
Yes,
it
is
possible
that
that
nothing
can
materialize
out
of
what's
presented
in
the
in
the
report.
There
is
risk
there
that
the
negotiations
and
the
agreements
cannot
get
done
and
then
option
would
be
for
the
board
to
restart
the
current
RFP
process,
the
suspended
one
right
now
or
start
a
new
one
or
go
a
different
route.
What
I
can
say
is
talking
to
all
parties
involved,
as
recently
as
this
afternoon,
that
the
city
and
the
owners
of
the
Juniper
cafe
and
the
TAT
Board
are
fully
committed
to
working
on
the
solution.
Z
There
is
a
timeline.
There
are
clear
expectations.
The
new
lease,
potentially
with
with
a
new
buyer,
would
be
based
on
the
criteria
laid
out
in
the
RFP,
which
was
decided
by
the
board
based
on
what
the
debt
facility,
as
a
community
iris
hub,
requires
and
a
cafe
space
which
the
Juniper
Cafe
has
done
very
well
at
providing
that
service
to
the
community
and
catering
to
events
and
attracting
events
at
the
the
TAT
facility.
Z
So
it's
definitely
a
unified
approach
to
continuing
to
grow,
that
beautiful
building
in
the
quality
arts,
community
arts
hub
program
that
it
provides
and
and
that's
I
can
I
can
assure
you
discussing
with
all
parties
that
the
focus
is
on
the
three
months
timeline
to
get
what's
to
get
done.
What
is
outlined
in
the
report?
Okay,.
D
Okay,
so
and
I've
already
talked
to
other
counselors
about
this,
it
could
could
it
be
necessary
in
the
future,
because
one
of
the
elements
of
the
difficulties
or
the
challenge
the
difficult
challenge
that
the
Juniper
had
meeting
expectations
all
along
was
that
the
rent
was
set
as
a
sort
of
a
market
rent
based
on
two
estimates,
one
on
behalf
of
the
tenant,
one
behalf
of
the
board
I
take
it
and
they
agreed
on
a
fair
rent
based
on
market.
The
market
rent
is
the.
Z
Z
Those
opinions
were
done
at
the
same
time,
based
on
the
identical
information
provided
by
the
tech
board
and
the
the
cafe
operator,
based
on
all
the
criteria
that
set
out
in
the
lease
and
both
opinions
from
from
both
sides
of
the
parties
came
in
within
about
10
percent
value,
and
both
parties
readily
agreed
that
it
was
fair
to
take
the
average
of
both
of
those.
So
that
was
done
with
the
consent
of
the
current
operators,
and
this
is
really
within
approximately
the
last
1214
months.
Z
So
I
don't
expect
there
to
be
any
considerable
change
in
those
opinion
based
on
the
the
intended
lease
going
forward,
which
is
based
on
an
almost
identically
the
same
criteria
as
in
the
current
lease
right
now
so
I
don't
see
there
a
reason
for
a
substantial
change
in
in
the
lease
rate,
because,
based
on
commercial
realtor
opinions
locally
in
this
business,
they
were
quite
aligned
in
their
approach
and
the
cafe
owners.
The
city,
as
well
as
the
TAT
all
agreed
that
it
was
fair
and
reasonable.
D
R
Z
Z
So
that
said,
I
think
is:
there's
definitely
a
possibility
that
there
should
be
a
consideration
for
the
city
to
take
more
of
a
lead
role.
There
is
an
opportunity
coming
up
in
the
next
couple
of
a
few
months
where
staff
will
be
coming
back
to
council
regarding
its
the
master
lease
between
the
city
as
the
owner
and
landlord
of
the
facility
and
the
tech
board.
Z
There
is
a
lot
of
that,
but
it's
integral
to
the
facility
operations
of
how
the
the
user
groups
and
the
facility
book
events
and
require
catering,
which
again
has
as
the
Jennifer
historically
has
provided
very
good
food
and
service
in
that
regard.
So
it
is
that's
that's
a
certain
thing
where
city
staff
are
likely
not
best
to
take
over
the
operations
of
booking
events
and
making
sure
all
those
things
are
coordinated.
But
of
course,
the
things
I've
been
mentioning
today
about
lease
negotiations,
fair
market
value,
rent
and
and
tenant
improvements.
A
You
councillor
Sanok,
okay,
thank
you.
No
information
reports,
members
of
council
miscellaneous
business.
We
have
a
few
motions
number
one
that
the
resignation
of
Martha
Bailey
from
Heritage
Kingston
be
received.
With
regret,
can
I
have
a
mover,
please
moved
by
Councillor
us
an
executive
by
Councillor
hill.
A
A
And
that
carries
number
four,
that,
notwithstanding
section
three
point,
1
point:
3
subsection
3
of
the
flag
display
Policy
Council
approved
the
raising
of
the
bell.
Let's
talk
flag
on
January
30th
2019
in
Confederation
Park,
as
requested
by
Sandy
McDonald
Regional
Director
of
Community
Affairs
Bell
moved
by
Councillor
sanic
seconded
by
Councillor
Hutchison.
A
There
is
a
fifth
thank
you.
That's
on
the
other
ad,
it's
my
mistake.
Sorry
number
five,
that,
as
requested
by
Alex
crest,
onyx
education
and
outreach
team
member
of
the
National
Eating
Disorder
Information
Center
Council
proclaim
the
week
of
February
1st
to
February
7th
2019
as
Eating
Disorder
Awareness
Week
in
the
City
of
Kingston,
moved
by
councillor
Neill
seconded
by
Councillor,
o
sanic.
D
Your
worship,
this
is
a
new
motion
number
one.
It's
moved
by
Mayor
Patterson
seconded
by
Councillor,
Boehm
I'll
read
it
now
we're
at
section
9.1
of
bylaw
number
20
10-1
council,
procedural
bylaw
as
amended
states
that
meetings
of
council
are
held
at
City
Hall
in
the
council
chambers
at
2:16,
Ontario
Street,
unless
otherwise
decided
by
resolution
of
council
and
whereas
in
keeping
with
the
city
of
Kingston's,
open
government
initiatives,
it
is
desirable
to
engage
the
public
and
provide
community
outreach
by
relocating
periodically
to
an
off-site
functional
meeting
space.
D
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
council
waived
by
lot
number
20
10-1
as
amended
in
order
to
hold
the
council
strategic
planning
sessions
on
Tuesday
March
26th
Wednesday
March
27th
Thursday,
March
28th
and
Wednesday
April
17th
2019,
commencing
at
6
p.m.
in
room
312,
Goods
Hall,
queen
school
business,
Queens,
University
hundred
forty-three
Union,
Street,
Kingston
Ontario,
and
a
special
council
meeting
with
respect
to
council
education
related
to
municipal
demographics,
growth,
growth
plan
and
corporate
strategic
studies
to
be
held
on
Wednesday
February
20th
2019,
commencing
at
6
p.m.
at
the
st.
A
Thank
you
all
I'll
be
fairly
brief.
This
is
just
laying
out
a
yes
given
that
the
over
the
time
that
this
is
really
just
to
approve
a
location,
change
for
a
couple
of
key
meetings
that
we
have
coming
up
and
I
say
that,
for
a
couple
reasons,
number
one
I
think
that
there
is
value
in
going
out
into
the
community
and
holding
meetings
and
just
adds
to
our
accessibility.
The
other
thing
that
I
will
say
is
this:
that
there
is
a
level
of
formality
in
this
room
that
I
think
works
most
of
the
time.
A
To
be
honest
because
a
lot
of
the
times
it's
black
and
white,
it's
voting
yes
or
no,
but
a
lot
of
these
meetings
here
are
really
geared
to
facilitation
discussion
and
being
able
to
step
a
little
bit
out
of
the
formality
into
more
an
informal,
almost
working
as
a
team
and
kind
of
building.
Some
of
the
plans
that
we
have
going
forward,
and
so
to
be
honest,
being
in
a
different
room
in
a
different
setting,
is
actually
really
handy
for
that
having
gone
through
it
before
it
really
does
change
the
dynamic.
A
D
You
just
because
it
it
dimensions
to
warehouse
cause
that
this
is
essentially
for
open
government
because
of
we
have
this
open
government
priority
and
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
to
me
when
I
read
when
I
see
when
I
think
of
open
government,
it's
not
the
reasons
that
you
just
mentioned,
which
which
are
valid
reasons
and
I,
agree
with
them.
It's
it's
more
transparency
in
the
way
that
decisions
are
made,
so
the
the
location
of
the
meeting
doesn't
necessarily
dopin
government.
D
It's
more
that
the
decisions
that
we
make
are
done
in
the
open
and
the
reasons
for
them
are
clear
and
the
documents
that
relate
to
them
are
accessible
to
the
public.
That
kind
of
thing,
that's
what
is
what
I
think
of
by
open
government
not
being
said
I'm
very
happy
to
support
this
motion.
Thank
you
all
right,
I'll
return.
The
chair,
thank
you
and
I.
Don't
know
if
wish
to
speak.
No,
yes,
you're.
What
sure,
if
you
have
the
last
word
thank.
A
You
I
think
I'll
just
respond
to
to
the
last
comment
was
made.
I
agree,
I,
think
open
government
has
many
different
spectrums,
and
so
this
is
really
more
just
about
accessibility
and
again
for
the
reasons
that
I
said
about
why
we
want
to
to
change
the
the
look
and
feel
and
location
of
council
meetings.
A
O
Have
a
notice
of
motion
and
I
know
it's
late,
so
I'm
gonna
read
it
really
quickly.
It's
referring
to
regarding
bill.
Sixty
six
and
it'll
be
moved
by
main
in
seconded
by
councillor
Neill,
whereas
bill
sixty
six
restoring
Ontario's
competitive
act
is
currently
under
consideration
by
the
Legislative
Assembly
of
Ontario,
where
schedule
10
of
bill.