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From YouTube: Kingston Ontario - City Council - March 19, 2019
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City Council meeting from March 19, 2019 For the full meeting agenda visit http://bit.ly/31qk7MS
B
Moved
by
Councillor
Hill
seconded
by
Councillor
Doherty,
the
council
resolved
itself
into
the
Committee
of
the
Whole
closed
meeting
to
consider
the
following
item:
litigation
or
potential
litigation,
including
matters
before
administrative
tribunals
affecting
the
municipality
or
local
board
advice
that
is
subject
to
solicitor,
client
privilege,
including
communications
necessary
for
that
purpose,
and
a
physician
plan
procedure
criteria
or
instruction
to
be
applied
to
any
negotiations
carried
on
or
to
be
carried
on
by
or
on
behalf
of
the
municipality
or
local
board.
Update
on
enforcement
and
associated
litigation
matters.
A
Oh
good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
say
go
Ani
Buju
and
do
watch
Shia
quake
way
as
the
Mayor
of
the
City
of
Kingston
I
offer
these
words
in
the
spirit
of
this
gathering.
Let
us
bring
our
good
minds
and
hearts
together
as
one
to
honor
and
celebrate
these
traditional
lands
as
a
gathering
place
of
the
original
peoples
and
their
ancestors
who
were
entrusted
to
care
for
mother
earth
since
time
immemorial.
A
It
is
with
deep
humility
that
we
acknowledge
and
offer
our
gratitude
for
their
contributions
to
this
community
having
respect
for
all
as
we
share
this
space
now
and
walk
side-by-side
into
the
future.
So
we
were
meeting
in
committee
the
whole
closed
meeting.
We
did
discuss
one
item
with
respect
to
an
update
on
enforcement
and
associated
litigation
matters,
and
so
I
will
ask
for
a
motion
to
rise
without
reporting
moved.
A
And
that
carries
okay.
Next,
we
have
the
approval
of
the
adits.
We
have
an
additional
delegation,
we
have
a
motion
of
congratulations
and
two
motions
of
condolences
and
then
a
staff
briefing
in
advance
of
one
of
the
items
on
the
CEO
recommend
report
can
I
have
a
mover
for
the
audits.
Please
moved
by
Councillor
Sanok
seconded
by
Councillor
tiling.
A
Okay,
seeing
none.
We
have
no
presentations
this
evening,
but
we
do
have
a
couple
of
delegations.
First,
up
Mary
for
our
Friends
of
Kingston
Inner
Harbor
will
appear
before
council
to
speak
to
Clause.
One
report
number
28
receive
from
the
arts
recreation
community
policies
committee,
with
respect
to
the
implications
associated
with
establishing
a
legal
wall
adjacent
to
Douglas,
Fleur
Park,
and
just
reminder
to
our
delegations
that
you
have
five
minutes.
D
D
So
this
is
what
the
wall
actually
looked
like
way
back
before
we
started
anything,
and
we
were
absolutely
told
that
if
we
wanted
to
do
on
the
wall,
we
would
have
to
do
it
on
plywood,
screw
it
into
the
wall
and,
after
it
was
finished,
take
it
down
from
the
wall
and
repair
the
wall.
So
this
was
like
really,
but
there
was
no
public
art
policy
and
no
way
to
get
around
the
bureaucratic
thing
early,
and
this
is
what
it
looked
like.
So
here
is
off
the
wall,
one
of
our
events,
voyager
canoes.
D
This
is
another
one
celebrating
metal
crafts,
25th
anniversary,
and
here
was
when
with
culture
days.
So
I
would
like
to
say
that
street
art
is
a
generally
accepted
for
art
form,
and
here
is
a
picture
of
the
Tate
Modern
gallery
in
London,
which
is
the
premier
Modern
Art
Museum,
and
there
is
art
on
the
walls.
As
you
can
see
there
here
are
some
old
charm.
Anus
is
a
town
in
BC
that
decided
they
were.
D
They
needed
some
tourism,
and
so
they
created
all
sorts
of
street
art
wealth
in
their
village,
and
it's
now
a
great
tourist
town
that
people
go
to
NBC.
This
is
Banksy
who's,
the
most
famous
street
artist,
just
to
show
you
he
sort
of
really
started
the
whole
thing,
and
here
are
just
a
couple
of
other
examples
of
global
street
art.
So
here
we
are
cleaning
up
the
park,
getting
ready
for
our
first
on
the
wall
street
art
festival,
which
was
in
2013
there.
We
are
and
ready
for
the
wall,
so
everybody
was
a
little
nervous.
D
D
However,
so
we
did
it,
we
did
a
juried
street
art
festival
with
four
jurors,
and
it
was
based
on
all
this
because
sometimes
gives
me
specifications
of
the
mural
festival
in
Montreal,
which
raises
millions
of
dollars
on
two
kilometers
of
Center
on
Boulevard
every
year,
so
call
for
proposals
for
on
the
wall.
Priming
we
had
to
prime
the
whole
wall
first
and
some
of
the
the
things
were
community
murals
and
here
are
people
setting
up
where
people
would
paint
little
pictures
on
the
inside.
D
So
then
we
had
our
celebration
of
the
Arts,
which
was
a
participatory
arts
festival,
as
opposed
to
either
vendors
or
being
an
audience
like
people
would
go
and
do
dance
or
sit
at
a
poetry
table
and
learn
how
to
write
a
poem.
For
the
first
time.
Everyone
of
the
Arts
was
involved
from
belly
dancing
to
guitar
play,
and
it
really
was
fun.
This
was
fruit,
carving
and
break
dancing,
so
we
won.
The
Kingston
is
a
ward
for
the
most
exciting
new
arts
event
of
the
year
for
2014.
D
C
D
D
We
don't
have
to
raise
six
thousand
dollars.
You
know
we
can
relax,
but
unfortunately,
when
it
came
time
to
writing
the
agreement,
the
city
had
six
thousand
dollars
and
they
had
to
pay
Carfax
fees.
So
that
would
mean
six
artists
for
a
thousand
dollars
each,
which
was
totally
against
the
Democratic
vibe
of
street
art.
D
So
we
had
to
say
no
and
in
the
meantime
all
the
artists
were
excited,
so
I
contributed
four
thousand
dollars
of
my
own
money
to
the
Friends
of
Kingston
in
our
inner
harbor
to
pull
it
off
and
the
quality
of
the
artwork.
You
can
see
here
great
variety
amazing
pictures
just
going
through
them
quickly.
Okay,
so
people
worry
about.
F
F
D
Yeah
so
I
mean
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
they're,
really
hardly
any
disadvantages.
I
mean
people
were
worried
about.
Where
should
I
go
to
here
you
can.
This
is
a
2017
and
example,
and
this
is
the
anarchists
that
some
of
you
may
know
in
the
city
and
they
scribbled
over.
It
was
a
this
was
the
18
year
old
boy
who,
in
2000
in
the
first
iteration
pay,
had
paid
the
850
dollars,
and
this
one
says:
keep
it
cool,
keep
it
real
Canada,
and
this
was
for
Tenedos
150th.
D
So
the
anarchists
came
along
and
said,
reconciliation
will
be
built
on
the
rubble
of
the
Canadian
state.
So
you
know
street
art
is
what
it
is
and
you
will
have
people
commenting
one
way
or
another,
and
many
people
think
that
kind
of
adds
interest
to
the
dialogue
that
that
comes
of
it
and
as
long
as
there
aren't
swear
words
and
as
long
as
it's
sort
of
family
friendly.
That
seems
okay
to
me,
but
other
people
might
disagree
with
that,
and
so
the
other
disadvantage.
D
Possibly
is
the
turtles
because,
of
course
the
paints
have
to
be
taken
away.
The
water
has
to
be
taken
away,
but
I
don't
think
it's
really
going
to
be
a
problem,
because
the
turtles
normally
lay
in
the
morning
and
the
artists
usually
come
in
the
evening
and
I
gather
that
city
staff
is
going
to
put
some
signs
up
saying
you
know
to
be
aware
of
the
situations
with
the
turtles
on
the
side
of
advantages.
We
have
so
many
advantages
like
we
certainly
can
you
know.
D
Have
the
kids
in
the
north
end
have
a
place
where
they
can
really
show
what
they
can
do
and
it
does
decrease
the
amount
of
tagging.
That
typically
happens.
If
you
go
to
the
wall
and
have
a
look
at
it,
you
will
see
that
the
tagging
is
on
the
wall
supports,
but
not
on
the
pictures
themselves.
Really
because
the
unwritten
rule
of
street
art
is
that,
if
you
think
you
can
do,
then
you
can
paint
over
and
so
there's
a
mutual
respect
among
the
people.
D
Who
who
do
it
and
another
advantage
here
is
Shane,
go
droves,
Molly
Brent,
which
is
probably
the
most
awesome
one,
and
really
it's
amazing
what
he
did.
He
took
the
the
sculpture
of
Molly
Brandt,
that
is
behind
Riedl
crest,
which
was
based
on
Molly
Brandt's,
granddaughter
because
there's
no
picture
of
Molly
Brent
and
he
combined
this
on
computer
with
a
photograph
of
Molly
Brown's
brother
and
came
up
with
this
image.
D
D
D
But
in
the
meantime
the
dream
has
always
been
to
have
a
legal
wall
right
from
the
beginning,
and
so
we
figure
you
know
when
it
was
just
first-come,
first-serve
last
time
that
you
know
I,
think
it's
wise
to
do
the
10-month
pilot
study
and
see
how
it
goes
and
then
hopefully
it
will
become
a
legal
wall
where
people
can
do
it
any
time
of
the
year.
Of
course,
they
can't
do
it
in
winter,
because
it's
too
cold,
they
can't
do
the
paint
there.
Okay.
H
I
So
it's
chair
of
the
Kingston
theatres
alliance,
I'm
very
excited
about
the
the
potential
that
we
have
have
here.
Kingston
has
always
been
an
important
generator
of
of
new
theater,
but
it
hasn't
been
a
really
significant
destination
for
people
coming
from
outside,
and
we
think
that
one
of
the
reasons
for
that
is
that
the
different
theatre
companies
haven't
really
made
coordinated
efforts,
so
Kingston
theatre
Alliance
represents
that
coordinated
effort.
I
H
Thank
you
very
much
Craig.
Well,
as
the
slide
says,
the
kick
and
push
festival
is
an
effective
engine
for
sector
and
cultural
development.
It
has
grown
consistently
over
the
past
four
years.
Every
year
the
size
and
diversity
of
audiences
has
increased
and
we've
managed
to
forge
an
ever
greater
amount
of
partnerships
with
both
the
private
sector
organizations
and
the
bedrock
of
our
success.
This
success
story
is
definitely
the
city
support.
It's
the
bedrock
for
the
successful
initiative.
H
It's
it
has
allowed
us
to
leverage
leverage
that
support
to
form
an
ever
greater
amount
of
partnerships
with
with
all
sorts
of
organizations,
not
just
regionally,
but
also
prevention.
We've,
of
course,
provided
an
opportunity
for
additional
public
and
private
sector
support.
We've
also
been
instrumental
with
content
development.
H
We
started
the
festival,
as
primarily
a
volunteer
driven
organization,
but
in
2017
it
became
a
professional
operation
which
has
allowed
us
to
pay
concerns
to
do
the
work
I'm
in
2018
we
employed
directly
over
22
people,
and
we
gave
130
artists,
Canadian
artists
and
any
Kingston
artists
an
opportunity
to
present
their
work
in
a
paid
way.
We've
also
seen
a
lot
of
audience
growth.
H
The
currently
the
festival
sitting
about
68%
of
our
occupancy.
We
sell
every
year,
that's
comparable
to
theatre
festivals
in
major
markets
from
across
the
province.
We
provide
those
opportunities
at
about
one-third
of
the
price
of
what
you
pay
in
major
markets
and
our
audience
skews
young
over
sixty
two
percent
of
our
audience
is
under
the
age
of
40
and
43
percent
of
our
audience
from
last
year
was
between
the
ages
of
20
and
29.
So
that's
really
really
exciting.
H
H
Our
motto
is
innovation,
excellence
opportunity,
it's
a
something
that
we've
achieved
a
great
deal
of
success
so
far
and
I
hope
it's
something
that
continues
in
the
future.
Thanks
very
much
for
allowing
us
the
opportunity
to
speak
about
this
this
evening
and
we'd
be
happy
to
address
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
Thank.
H
One
thing
that
I'm
hoping
to
develop
I
mean
there's
a
few
things.
There's
a
few
initiatives.
One
we'd
like
to
increase
audience
capacity,
we'd
like
to
continue
to
represent
Kingston
in
an
ever-greater
severe
of
influence,
we'd
like
to
diversify
our
programming.
Our
programming
is
diverse,
but
we
continue
to
strive
in
that
direction.
This
year.
For
the
first
time,
we're
gonna
be
free,
featuring
francophone
content,
which
is
important,
important
cultural
component
of
our
city
and
we're
looking
forward
to
showcasing
that
we're.
Also.
We've
also
made
a
great
deal
of
progress
in
showcasing
indigenous
content
as
well.
H
We
have
indigenous
artists
not
only
being
presented
like
there
were
last
year,
but
also
curating
the
work
within
the
kickin
push,
and
that's
something
we're
super
excited
about
so
basically
councillor
if
I,
if
I
may,
the
other
thing
that
we're
looking
forward
to
is
the
kickin
push
has
provided
a
great
deal
of
opportunity.
Freaking
Estonians
to
interface
with
leading
Canadian
artists.
H
We've
had
high
school
students
working
a
high
school
student
from
last
year
got
to
work
with
an
all-female
production
team
and
see
what's
possible
in
the
field.
They
were
crawling.
Those
intersection
points
the
in-and-out
and
placing
our
city
in
the
sort
of
national
context
and
I
want
to
continue
to
provide
more
opportunities
for
Kingstonian
to
do
that.
So
those
are
two
of
the
many
plans
that
we
have.
G
H
A
So
you
know
their
questions.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
so
moving
on
are
on
in
our
agenda.
We
have
no
briefings
this
evening.
Are
there
any
petitions
to
present
okay
seeing
none?
We
have
a
couple
of
most
of
congratulations
and
three
motions
of
condolence.
First
motion
of
congratulations
moved
by
Mayor
Patterson
seconded
by
Councillor
hill
that
the
congratulations
of
Kingston
city
council
will
be
extended.
A
Eric's
friendly
demeanor
and
warm
smile
will
be
greatly
missed
by
many
in
our
community,
moved
by
mayor
Patterson's
seconded
by
Councillor
hill,
that
the
sincere
condolences
of
Kingston
city
council
will
be
extended
to
the
family
and
friends
of
Bryan
Scott,
who
passed
away
on
March
12th
after
a
long
battle
with
cancer,
Bryan
Scott
was
best
known
as
a
longtime
morning
show
host
his
career
as
a
radio
host
spanned.
Almost
four
decades.
Bryan
made
many
positive
contributions
to
this
community
and
would
be
missed
greatly
by
many.
A
Our
thoughts
are,
with
his
family
during
this
difficult
time,
moved
by
Mayor,
Patterson
seconded
by
Councillor
hill,
that
the
sincere
condolences
of
Kingston
city
council
be
extended
to
the
family
and
friends
of
Susan
Shaw
who
passed
away
this
past
weekend.
Susan
was
a
longtime
board,
member
of
the
downtown
Kingston
BIA
Kingston
accommodation
partners
and
of
historic
ins
Kingston.
She
and
her
husband
were
former
owners
of
the
fraught
nightclub
in
and
Susan
was
always
a
passionate
supporter
of
downtown
Kingston.
A
A
F
You
mayor
Paterson,
through
you,
I,
have
four
questions,
and
all
of
them
are
in
the
light
of
me
thinking
that
this
is
a
very
good
idea
and
very
productive
as
we
move
towards
being
a
more
pedestrian
friendly
bike
friendly
community.
But
I
just
want
to
know
a
few
details.
So
first
I'm
wondering
how
much
do
they
cost
there
wasn't?
Actually
a
dollar
figure
attached
to
the
report.
K
K
The
approximate
cost
of
the
application
of
the
bike
boxes
to
the
asphalt
area
is
about
three
thousand
dollars
in
total,
but
from
a
higher
level
bike
box
standpoint,
the
majority
of
the
costs
associated
with
this
type
of
infrastructure
upgrade
is
related
to
the
design
work
that
would
be
done
at
that
intersection
level
and
those
those
who
were
incorporated
as
part
of
that
princess
street
redesign.
All.
K
Through
you,
mr.
mayor,
the
the
this
location
is
along
a
section
of
of
one
of
the
designated
citywide
active
transportation
routes
and
cycling
routes
on
Division
Street.
So
the
inclusion
of
of
the
bike
boxes
at
this
location
are
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
One
is
the
opportunity
that
presented
itself
as
part
of
the
reconstruction
work
that
was
underway,
but
the
second
is.
It
provides
some
some
continuity
through
that
area.
That's
important
as
we
transition
from
the
cycling
lanes
north
of
Princess
Street
into
the
areas
to
the
south
on
the
on
the
way
to
campus
alright.
K
Through
you,
your
worship,
the
this
is
the
first
instance
of
bike
boxes
being
installed
in
the
city.
However
its
it.
It's
part
of
the
it's
part
of
a
practice
that
we're
incorporating
into
a
number
of
designs
as
we
as
we
are
installing
new
cycling
infrastructure
or
upgrading
other
locations.
So
I
wouldn't
characterize
it
as
a
pilot.
So
much
as
the
start
of
a
change
in
the
type
of
infrastructure.
That's
installed
at
our
intersections
good.
F
L
You
and
I
applaud
this
I
know
I've
been
a
bit
of
a
nag
about
this
on
a
couple
of
occasions.
I
think
it's
a
great
great
idea.
It's
a
very
good
idea
that
we
have
it
at
these
two
locations,
because
there
will
be
some
education
needed,
because
these
will
be
the
first
bike
boxes,
although
they
exist
in
a
lot
of
other
cities
in
Ontario.
This
will
be
the
first
time
that
we
implement
them.
What
kind
of
education
or
information
will?
K
Through
you,
your
worship,
yes,
so
this
is
the
first
installation.
So
as
part
of
that
piece,
there
will
be
a
communication
with
the
public,
so
we're
preparing
some
signage
and
some
pieces
that
will
be
near
the
intersection.
But
we're
also
doing
some
work
in
preparing
some
videos
and
some
information
about
how
it
operates.
L
L
K
Through
your
worship,
so
yes,
so
as
part
of
the
of
any
sort
of
intersection
work
that
we're
doing.
We
look
at
all
of
the
modes
that
are
traveling
through
that
intersection.
We
address
what
we
require
from
a
pedestrian
standpoint
and
and
from
a
cycling
aspect,
and
then
we
would
we
would
reposition
or
reconfigure
any
of
the
transit
locations
to
ensure
that
those
areas
are
best
addressed,
so
that
was
considered
as
part
of
this
design
and
would
be
considered
in
future
designs.
Thank.
J
You,
your
worship,
I,
might
just
have
a
few
questions
about
the
tree
order.
I
know
that
council
has
the
goal
of
doubling
the
tree
canopy
by
the
year
2025,
and
there
is
a
drop
in
this
year,
2019
of
what
we're
proposing
to
plant
five
thousand
two
hundred
and
fifty
trees
compared
to
what
we've
planted
over
the
last
three
years
on.
M
You,
your
worship,
the
the
areas
that
we
didn't
complete
in
this
chart
are
simply
that
we
haven't
finalized
those
Arrangements
yet
so,
where
we've
indicated
to
be
determined
for
the
community
benefit
fund,
we
just
haven't
got
the
number
and
it
will
come
in
I
think
the
the
CRC
a
plantings
they
do.
It
does
vary
and
you
can
see
in
2017
it
was
a
little
bit
lower
at
at
5,600
and
then
it
went
up.
M
Are
we
have
factored
consideration
for
trees
that
we
would
remove
as
part
of
the
emerald
ash
borer
program
and
the
overall
survival
rate
of
trees?
So
we
also
referenced
in
the
report
that
we
will
need
to
plant
1,000
trees
and
I
refer
to
it
in
the
report
as
part
of
the
municipal
program,
but
it's
actually
the
in
the
chart,
the
spring
and
fall
plant,
and
if
we
plant
1,000
trees
as
part
of
our
spring
and
fall
planting
between
now
and
2025,
we
believe
we
will
achieve
the
target.
J
You
very
much
and
what
this
reporters
recommending
that
we
approve
Dutch
master,
which
is
one
of
the
two
companies
that
submitted
the
bid
so
for
Dutch
master
I,
know
that
they
plant
trees.
The
plan
for
the
City
of
Toronto
and
Ottawa
I'm
just
wondering
do
they
have
a
good
track
record
in
replacing
the
dead
trees
that
are
within
warranty,
I
think
this
isn't
the
first
year
we've
stretched
master
and
we
definitely
every
spring
see
some
trees
that
didn't
make
it
from
the
past
year
or
the
year
before.
J
I
think
the
warranty
on
our
trees
are
two
years
so
as
part
of
the
evaluation
criteria.
Is
that
one
of
the
things
we
look
at
at
what
their
track
record
is
and
replacing
trees
like?
Do
we
have
to
really
urge
them
to
replace,
or
they
really
you
know,
did
they
take
an
initiative
to
try
to
replace
the
trees
that
haven't
come
up?
I,
just
wonder
if
they
have
a
good
track
record
of
replacing
the
trees
that
don't
make
it
miss.
M
You,
your
worship,
the
RFP
criteria,
included
some
of
that
experience
and
certainly
our
own
experience,
because
we've
used
them
in
the
past.
The
survival
rate
of
trees
depends
on
a
number
of
factors.
As
I'm
sure
you
recall
in
previous
years.
We
do
inspect
the
trees
as
they
are
delivered
to
us,
so
we
we
check
to
make
sure
that
they
they
appear
to
be
healthy
when
they're
dropped
off
to
us
and
then
the
planting
program
that
was
implemented
a
few
years
ago
when
we
had
a
very
dry
summer,
has
helped
with
that.
J
Through
you
and
worship
today
is
one
more
question.
Yes,
so
my
last
question,
then,
is
because
we've
only
had
the
two
bids
and
I
think
last
year
we
also
only
had
two
bids:
do
you
think
that's
there's
only
really
two
companies
out
there
that
bid
or-
and
this
might
not
be
a
bad
thing-
our
requirements
really
stringent
and
that's
why
we're
only
seeing
two
companies
bid
like
that
might
not
be
a
bad
thing,
but
I
think
this
isn't
the
first
year
that
we've
only
seen
two
companies
bid
to
do
our
tree
or
through.
M
Your
worship,
I
I,
do
not
have
any
information
as
to
why
more
companies
don't
bid.
If
I
were
to
venture
I
guess
it
may
be
just
the
scope
of
the
project.
There
are
some
smaller
planting
companies,
but
but
planting
that
number
of
trees,
particularly
the
fall
plant,
is
a
significant
undertaking,
so
I
I
have
no
other
information.
Sorry,
thank
you
very
much.
That's.
A
C
M
Through
your
worship,
I,
wouldn't
I,
wouldn't
say
policy,
but
it's
our
practice
that
Public
Works
will
monitor
and
water
last
year.
Wasn't
such
a
bad
season
for
it
until
in
in
the
early
part
of
the
year.
So
that
is
the
practice
that
Public
Works
is
committed
to
following
to
and
to
try
to
ensure
a
greater
survival
rate
and
we'd
also
do
encourage
residents.
If
we've
planted
trees
in
front
of
their
property,
we
encourage
them
to
water
as
well,
and
that's
that's
a
great
help
to
us.
G
Thank
you,
one
more
question:
I'm
I'm
sure
that
the
other
councillors
are
also
getting
these
emails
about.
You
know
what
we're
going
to
do
to
about
the
climate,
emergency
and
hearing
about
planting
trees,
I'm,
not
saying
it's
the
only
choice
or
even
the
best
choice,
but
just
do
we
have
some
idea
what
it
would
cost
to
scale
up
this
effort,
so.
A
C
C
G
N
Thank
you,
your
worship,
just
for
the
for
benefit
of
clarification
for
the
public
and
for
us
here
at
Council.
It
says
in
the
report.
This
is
about
the
the
difference
in
the
categories
that
are
in
the
report,
so
that
we've
already
determined
and
it's
in
the
chart
that
2019
has
a
lower
total
number.
It's
it's
a
total
of
all
the
different
types
of
plant,
the
spring
plant,
the
fall
plant
and
the
CRC
a
seedlings
and
then
two
columns
to
be
determined
so
that
number
of
5000
2050
we've
already
heard.
N
The
answer
is
going
to
be
higher.
However,
on
the
three
that
we
have
numbers
for
I,
think
it's
important
that
we
understand
these
categories.
So
is
it
correct
that
the
spring
plant
and
the
fall
plant
are
conducted
by
the
City
of
Kingston
with
the
trees
from
the
contractor,
but
we
conduct
the
planting,
and
so
that's
1,250
trees
that
it
says
in
the
report,
our
diameter
of
40
to
60
millimetres
at
breast
height.
That's
a
common
way
of
measuring
treat,
so
those
are
fairly
well
established,
trees.
N
You
know
taller
than
a
man
and
with
a
root
ball,
and
you
know,
take
a
whole
crude
in
a
big
hole
to
plant,
as
opposed
to
the
CRC,
a
seedlings
which
I'm
assuming
are
very
much
like
the
seedlings
that
I
might
have
planted
as
a
tree
planter
that
one
person
can
buy
it
with
a
shovel
in
it
in
less
than
a
minute.
Is
that
is
that
true?
N
N
It
takes
several
years
so
that
waiting
for
them
to
grow
up
is
is
is
a
significant
factor.
If
we're
trying
to
double
the
tree,
canopy
so
I
would
say,
if
we're
trying
to
boost
the
numbers,
the
easy
way
to
do
that
would
be
to
plant
seedlings,
which
we
don't
do
only
see
RCA
does.
But
if
we
wanted
to
have
the
biggest
impact
the
quickest
we,
which
is
the
reason
we
choose
the
large
caliper
trees.
It's
those
trees,
we're
getting
from
Dutch
master
and
the
drawback
is
we
have
to
order
those
in
advance.
M
You,
your
worship,
I,
don't
believe
that
that
is
an
awkward
option
for
fall,
because
these
particular
trees
primarily
are
not
planted
by
by
city
staff.
We
have
a
tree
contract
as
well
you're,
not
seeing
that
this
year,
because
last
year,
when
it
was
awarded,
it
was
awarded
as
a
two
year
contract.
So
there's
the
other
half
of
this
is
the
tree
planting
contract
and
and
so
there's
a
tree
order
tree
contract,
and
we
could
not
adjust
that
at
least
for
2019.
N
A
C
B
L
A
P
L
C
Q
You
and
three
Oh
mr.
mayor,
so
there
there
is
already
a
federal
program.
That's
out
that
is
a
co-investment
fund
that
we
would
be
targeting
to
apply
for,
and
we
would
work
through
CMHC
to
do
that.
So
it's
not
related
to
to
the
budget
that
came
out
today,
but
it's
something
that's
already
in
place.
So
we
are
going
to
be
working
with
K
fhc
for
them
to
submit
an
application
to
this
co-investment
fund,
and
we
will.
We
will
try
to
make
sure
that
we
do
obtain
some
federal
funding
through
that
program.
That's
already
existing.
Thank.
L
You
very
much
and
I
just
want
to
make
a
quick
comment.
I
want
to
thank
staff
who
were
very
open
and
worked
thoroughly
with
with
the
community
in
I
think
it
was
in
the
end
three
public
meetings
talking
to
community
members
and
for
the
most
part,
with
only
a
couple
of
exceptions,
I
think
the
community
feels
that
their
voice
was
heard
and
the
new
project
of
a
four
story
and
a
six
story-
development
on
that
site
is
being
accepted
by
the
community.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that.
G
Know
a
ship
I
note
that,
with
the
new
with
this
new
proposal,
which
staff
are
clearly
scraping
around
to
find
the
money
wherever
it
may
be,
which
is
good,
they
tend
our
GI
units
los
with
the
demolish
went
on
daily
Street
to
allow
it
says
for
the
redevelopment
Shannon
Park
it
also,
it's
probably
worth
noting
that
the
building
was
not
in
great
good
shape,
finishes
up
the
replacement
of
those
lawsuits.
So
I
did
my
first
thing:
I
want
to
congratulate
self
for
doing
that.
They
had
to
have
faith.
G
R
Layton
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
certainly
the
for
the
municipal
capital
investment
program
where
this
a
portion
of
these
funds
are
being
taken
from.
There
are
remaining
funds
in
that
program.
Upwards
of
two
million
dollars
is
remaining
in
that
program
that
could
be
oriented
towards
a
future
project
or
if
this
project
is
not
successful,
getting
federal
funding
that
could
be
considered
to
make
up
the
difference
in
the
future
as
well.
G
F
You
mayor
Paterson
through
you,
two
or
three
questions
about
one
of
the
lines
in
the
report
on
page
46,
it
says
it's
expected
that
units
will
be
rented
at
80%
of
market
rent
or
lower
I'm
wondering
if
that
applies
to
the
ten
rent
gear.
Two
income
units
have
a
reference
in
the
report
or
all
the
development
at
7:00
right
Crescent.
How
many
units
will
be
at
that
at
that
market,
value
of
80%
or
lower
mr.
R
Libin
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
the
ten
RDI
units
will
operate
as
typical
rent
geared
to
income,
though
so
they
will
be
entirely
the
rent
that
one
would
pay
and
those
ten
units
would
be
entirely
predicated
on
their
income
that
can
be
as
low
as
$85
a
month
depending
on
their
income.
The
remaining
10
units
would
be
kept
at
the
TAT,
the
80%
mark
average
market
rent,
as
indicated
all.
R
Just
11
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
certainly
I
think
there
might
be
some
misinterpretation
of
the
of
the
way
the
staff
report
is
is
worded
in
that
that
section
of
the
report
is
referring
to
existing
by
laws
and
policies.
So
that's
a
description
of
the
actual
capital
investment
in
affordable
housing
program,
which
the
expectation
is
that
it
be
up
to
80%
value.
In
this
case,
we
can
certainly
commit
that
it
is
to
be
at
80
percent,
but
that's
a
description
of
the
existing
program.
R
Q
You
and
three
miss
mayor
I
just
want
to
add
and
reassure
council
that
we
would
not
provide
funding
to
any
affordable
housing
units
that
were
to
exceed
80
percent
of
average
market
rent,
so
we
would
not
enter
into
those
agreements
at
all.
If
anything.
In
this
case,
we
would
be
looking
at
potentially
a
little
bit
less
than
80
percent
of
average
market
rent
in
working
with
with
the
social
housing
providers
usually
were
able
to
achieve
some
lower
rents,
but
we
would
we
would
never
enter
into
an
agreement
that
would
be
exceeding
80
percent.
Q
F
A
And
that
curious
okay,
at
this
point,
we
will
pause
for
a
staff
briefing.
The
Christian
Turner
manager
of
licensing
and
enforcement
will
introduce
Bruce,
P
ver,
director
of
public
sector
advisory
KPMG
Canada,
who
briefed
Council,
respected
Klaus
to
report
number
26
from
the
CEO
with
respect
to
the
city,
animal
panel
services,
contract.
S
Good
evening,
mayor
Paterson
and
members
of
council,
as
you
may
recall,
we
were
here
before
council
a
lot
early
last
September
with
a
report
for
an
interim
contract.
Four-Pound
services
in
that
report
was
a
recommendation
that
recommendation
closet
city
staff,
commissioned
a
service
and
cost
assessment
of
animal
pound
services
and
report
our
findings
back
to
Council
as
part
of
any
recommendation
for
a
multi-year
pound
services
contract.
T
Thank
you,
your
worship,
council
corporate
leadership
team.
It's
a
pleasure
to
be
here
tonight
again
at
the
city
of
count
Kingston
and
to
present
on
our
report
regarding
pound
services
and
Kingston
humane
society.
I
should
mention
that
as
I
was
on
the
way
out
the
door.
This
morning
my
wife
looked
at
me
and
said
so
you're
off
to
re-engineer
that
Kingston
Humane
Society.
Just
remember
that
your
dog,
our
family
dog,
is
a
rescue
dog.
You
know
just
give
me
that
look
and
then
I
was
off
so
anyway.
It's
a
pleasure
to
be
here.
T
The
project
objectives
for
this
particular
assignment
was
that
we
were
to
undertake
a
review
of
the
business
model.
Four-Pound
services
and
the
overall
goal
of
the
review
was
to
assess
and
recommend
a
funding
model
four-pound
services
that
is
both
sustainable
to
all
parties,
while
providing
a
transparent
costing
model
and
reporting
structure.
It
was
expected
and
the
record
that
the
recommendation
that
arise
out
of
this
particular
review
will
ensure
an
efficient
and
effective
service
delivery
model
for
the
citizens
of
Kingston.
T
Once
those
interviews
were
complete.
We
also
conducted
wide-ranging
a
set
of
interviews
both
with
staff
with
the
Steve
King
City
of
Kingston,
and
also
with
the
Kingston
Humane
Society
and
I
can
say
that
the
discussions
that
we
held
we
had
with
all
parties
were
very
fruitful
and
very
insightful
to
the
results
of
the
project,
and
I
should
note
that
both
parties
agreed
that
a
fair
and
transparent
funding
model
was
required
for
the
sustainability
of
the
pound
services
within
the
city.
T
We
also
took
a
look
at
the
costing
model
that
the
city
and
the
main
society
are
currently
following,
and
we
reviewed
how
the
numbers
were
generated
with
by
the
Humane
Society
in
the
calculation
of
the
fees.
I
should
note
that
when
we
reviewed
the
processes
and
the
operations
of
the
Kingston
main
society,
we
found
that
their
operations
to
be
good
and
in
line
with
what
our
expectations
would
be
for
a
nonprofit
organization.
T
Intake
into
the
pound
was
that
you
have
the
lowest
cost
per
municipality
of
the
three
comparators,
so
you're
lower
than
Kingston
sorry
you're,
lower
than
Ottawa
you're
lower
than
berry
and
you're
lower
than
Oakville,
but
you
also
have
the
highest
intake,
so
you
bring
in
more
animals
than
of
the
other
three
municipalities,
so
your
intake
per
10,000
residents
in
2017
was
69
animals.
Okay,
so
you
bring
in
69
animals
for
every
10,000
residents
and
your
cost
per
resident
is
86
cents
compared
to
the
other
municipalities.
T
T
T
Our
recommendations,
coming
out
of
this
analysis,
is
that
one,
the
city
Kingston,
moved
to
a
fixed
fee
funding
model
which
would
be
consistent
with
your
comparators
and
the
the
we
had
estimate
that
the
mid-range
fee
of
twenty
four
thousand
dollars
per
month
would
provide
the
necessary
support
to
the
humane
society
and
number
two
that
you
follow.
The
leading
project
established
by
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
develop
a
standardized
formula
using
the
City
of
Ottawa
model
so
that
you
can
review
annually
and
create
an
automatic
calculation
for
intake
numbers
and
costs.
J
Thank
you.
Your
worship,
thanks
very
much
for
your
presentation.
Mr.
Peavey
and
this
report.
I
have
two
questions
so
on
page
14
of
their
report,
I'm
just
in
the
small
print
it
says,
if
funding
is
increased
to
the
Kingston
Humane
Society,
which
is
what
our
recommendation
is
tonight,
is
to
increase
the
funding.
It
says
that
the
Kingston
Humane
Society
could
eliminate
the
reclaimed
fees
that
they
are
currently
charging
to
the
public,
because
some
people
from
the
public
have
said
that
it
makes
the
feasts.
J
You
know
it's
too
expensive,
then
to
reclaim
their
pet
so
as
part
of
directly,
because
that
actually
going
to
happen
or
is
that
a
better
question
to
ask
staff?
Do
you
know
with
this
recommendation
tonight?
Is
the
Kingston
humane
society
going
to
eliminate
the
reclaimed
fees
as
part
of
the
negotiations?
Thank.
A
J
J
Recommending
to
use
a
fixed
fee
is
that
the
recommendation
for
all
five
years
of
this
contract,
because
when
you
say
that
then
taking
a
look
at
a
formula
later,
is
that
then
for
the
next
five-year
contract,
like
in
five
years
from
now,
or
would
that
be
a
funding
formula
that
we
can
look
at
like
in
your
three
of
the
contract?
So.
A
T
U
T
I
get
that
right.
Mr.
mayor,
do
you
counselor
I,
don't
believe
I
said
the
city
is
more
efficient,
believe
what
I
said
was
that
the
cost
per
intake
was
substantially
lower
than
the
ger
comparators.
That's
because
the
amount
you're
supplying
to
your
Humane
Society
and
the
number
of
animals
that
you're
bringing
in
so
it's
it's.
If,
while
the
process
is
when
we
review
the
processes,
mr.
maryk
we've
found
them
to
be
good
and
consistent
with
that
of
a
non-profit
such
as
the
advanced
society.
U
So
is
your
recommendation
from
an
accountant
perspective
saying
that
if
we
change
the
model,
the
funding
that
we
will
provide
will
nests
it
may
go
down
and
the
amount
of
animals
we
help
will
be
going
up
like
that's
what
I
mean
by
efficiency?
If
the
dollar
per
value
of
animal
are
the
dollar
we
spend
per
animal
is
lower
than
everybody
else.
It
sounds
like
we're
running
a
much
more
efficient
operation.
T
The
the
number,
the
the
amount
you're
providing
to
your
Humane
Society
it
currently
is
less
than
every
other.
All
the
other
comparator
miss
abilities
at
this
particular
point
in
raw
numbers
so
and
that
reflects
that
in
the
efficiency,
the
factor
that
you're
discussing
so
I
can't
really
discuss.
You
know
comment
beyond
that:
okay,.
G
T
T
G
G
A
A
N
In
the
in
your
report,
you
talk
about
the
intake
numbers
and
you
analyze
the
intake
numbers
and
you
analyze
it
across
the
various
municipalities.
It's
all
great,
but
it
doesn't
say
the
methodology
of
the
intake
numbers
themselves
is
this
supplied
by
the
Humane
Society
and
it's
broken
down
by
animal
type
and
by
method
of
intake.
T
N
A
J
Thank
you,
okay.
So
in
the
report
for
you
I
your
worship
to
staff
on
page
55,
that's
where
I
see
that
on
staff
further
recommend
that,
prior
to
the
beginning
of
year,
2
of
the
contract
working
with
the
Kingston
Humane
Society,
that
a
standardized
formula
will
be
developed
where
it
says
for
future
contract
negotiations.
Will
that
be
for
after
the
year
2024.
If
this
current
contract
is
five
years,
2019
into
2024
we'd
be
applying
a
standardized
formula
for
the
contract
afterwards.
Is
that
what
that
means?
I
can.
Q
Q
So
the
the
intent
is
yes
to
look
at
a
fixed
fee
for
the
next
five
years
and
during
that
period
of
time
to
work
with
the
Humane
Society
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
good
handle
on
all
the
numbers
and
a
full
understanding
in
terms
of
the
number
of
intake
per
different
animals
and
also
look
at
the
initiatives
that
we
want
to
put
in
place
with
the
responsible
pet
ownership.
I
know
we
have
started,
but
we
have
more
work
to
do
so.
Those
initiatives
as
well
may
help
to
drive
down
the
gnome
of
intake.
Q
That's
what
we're
hoping
for
and
that's
why
we're
recommending
that
we
take
that
period
of
time
to
work
on
a
formula
and
look
at
what
those
numbers
might
be
for
the
future
contract
in
terms
of
the
number
of
intake.
There
are
some
comments
about.
They
were
quite
high
so
and
and
the
amount
of
money
per
per
intake
was
fairly
low.
Q
So
keep
in
mind,
members
of
counsel
that
that
was
based
on
the
2017
numbers
and
for
those
returning
counselors
you'll
recall
that
in
2018
we
went
back
out
to
the
market
and
the
only
response
that
we
had
was
from
the
Humane
Society
and
they
were
looking
at
an
amount
of
about
28,000
per
month.
At
that
time,
that
was
going
to
be
required
in
terms
of
their
operations.
So
they
flagged
right
away
back
in
2009
8
to
18
that
the
contract
that
we
had
in
place
with
them
wasn't
sufficient.
Q
So
at
the
time
we
did,
we
were
able
to
negotiate
a
transition
contract
because
we
had
the
situation.
What
council,
where
council,
was
lame
duck
and
we
had
a
maximum
of
$50,000
that
we
could
work
with
and
that
contract
amount
was
about
20,000
plus
1,000
per
emergency
fee.
So
what
we're
looking
at
here
is
really.
Q
It
gave
us
a
chance
to
review
some
of
the
numbers
and
look
at
also
what
some
of
the
averages
in
other
communities
are
and
I
think
that
would
also
explain
in
terms
of
the
why
we're
seeing
a
difference
in
terms
of
the
numbers.
It's
because
really
the
the
contract
amount
started
to
go
up
in
2008
18,
so
the
difference
right
now
that
we're
looking
at
is
really
from
21,000
that
we're
spending
to
24,000
per
month.
J
Thank
you
very
much.
Another
question
is
emergency
services,
so,
with
this
new
contract
for
five
years
at
the
Kingston
Humane
Society
on,
like
what
we
just
saw
in
the
KPMG
report,
was
I.
Think
it's
berry
and
aside
there,
Oklo
or
Ottawa
can't
find
the
page
number
emergency
served
cesare
included
back
in
2018
when
we
negotiated
that
interim
extra
few
months,
emergency
services,
I,
don't
think
were
if
somebody
finds
an
injured
cat
tonight,
I
think
they
call
by
law
enforcement
and
leave
a
message
and
somebody
will
return.
C
S
Through
you,
your
worship
in
the
interim
contract,
the
it
was
$20,000
a
month,
plus
a
thousand
dollars
for
emergency
services.
We
estimated
over
the
year
with
the
bills
that
we
had
received
for
emergency
veterinarian
that
it
was
approximately
a
thousand
in
the
new
contract
that
is
before
you
tonight
or
in
this
report.
It's
all
inclusive,
so
the
24,000
a
month
would
include
emergency
veterinarian
services.
S
B
S
J
You
very
much
and
then
the
question
I
was
asking
mr.
beaver
at
KPMG.
That
was
right
in
their
report,
where
he,
if
there
was
just
the
suggestion
that
if
we
do
increase
funding
to
Kingston
Humane
Society
like
we're
doing
tonight,
that
maybe
the
Humane
Society
could
eliminate
the
reclaimed
fees
to
make
it
easier
for
people
to
pay
to
reclaim
their
their
pet
did.
We
were
able
to
do
that
at
all,
or
what
did
they
keep
sending
me
Society
say.
J
Then
my
final
question:
your
worship-
is
building
on
to
councillor
strout's
question
about
the
definition
of
intake.
So
if
there
were
859
animals
that
the
Kingston
Humane
Society
took
in
last
year
for
cats,
would
that
mean
also
somebody
like
finding
a
cat
and
bringing
it
in
because
we
don't?
Actually
the
city
doesn't
actually
go
out
and
capture
a
wild
track
on
cat?
Somebody
has
to
capture
it
and
bring
it
in,
so
those
intake
numbers
would
include
just
residents
to
bringing
in
their
animal
or
surrender
and
surrendering
and
animal.
Would
that
be
true?
U
So
that
presentation
raised
some
questions.
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
take
raised
this
with
you
earlier
that
just
made
sense
to
me.
So
looking
on
page
77,
it
looks
like
the
cost
per
intake
for
Kingston
is
extremely
low
compared
to
all
these
other
ones
and
where
we've
got
more
coming
in
than
Oakland
Berry
and
we're
proposing
to
change
the
model.
U
Q
You
and
three
mr.
mayor,
so
the
the
information
that
is
in
the
KPMG
report
for
the
city
of
kingston
is
based
on
the
2017
data,
which
also
includes
a
2017
payment.
That
payment
was
a
lot
less
because
that
was
a
previously
negotiated
contract
that
we
had
in
place
in
2018
we
to
go
back
to
the
market,
because
I
contract
was
coming
to
an
end.
Q
When
we
went
back
to
the
market
in
2018,
we
had
one
submission,
which
was
a
Humane
Society
and
they
identified
their
cost
as
being
twenty
eight
thousand
give
or
take
per
month
to
provide
that
service.
So
because
of
the
situation
we
had
with
council
coming
to
an
election,
we
had
a
maximum
of
fifty
thousand
dollars
that
could
be
approved.
That
was
above
budget,
so
we
had
to
establish
an
interim
contract
with
the
Humane
Society
at
that
time,
which
was
twenty
thousand
a
fixed
fee,
plus
$1,000
of
emergency
fund.
Q
But
with
that,
having
said
that,
the
intent
was
always
to
look
at
the
longer
term
contract
and
come
back
to
Council
with
a
recommendation
for
the
longer
term
contract,
which
is
what
we're
doing
tonight.
So
the
I
appreciate
the
numbers
that
are
in
the
report,
but
I
don't
think
they're
really
reflective
where
we're
currently
at
in
terms
of
the
2018
negotiated
rate,
which
would
be
essentially
$21,000
per
month.
Q
So
this
is
why
you're
seeing
a
difference
there
in
terms
of
the
number
of
intake,
what
what
we
want
to
do
is
work
on
more
initiative
in
terms
of
responsible
pet
ownership
soulfully,
we
can
reduce
those
numbers
of
intake
deaths,
that's
the
intent
so
with
a
reduction
over
the
years
and
working
through
a
formula
that
is
more
based
to
the
Ottawa
model
in
the
long
term.
We're
hoping
that
that
could
help
to
bring
down
the
costs
as
well,
that
that's
the
whole
intention
of
looking
at
a
formula
base
for
the
future
contract.
Q
Q
Three
honest
Ameri
I,
you
know
my
colleagues
are
welcome
to
jump
into
this
one
as
well.
It's
getting
into
a
lot
of
details
in
terms
of
the
2017
and
I
I
can't
say
that
I've
looked
at
it
I,
don't
believe
that
the
2017
model
was
based
on
an
intake
and
fee
per
intake,
I
believe
it
was
a
general
fee
as
well
that
was
paid,
but
I
can
be
corrected
by
my
colleagues
that
are
much
closer
to
the
operations
of
the
contract.
Mr.
A
S
U
Q
You
and
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
so
I,
think
overall.
What
the
Humane
Society
has
indicated
to
us
is
that,
in
order
to
cover
their
costs
to
provide
the
service,
that
is
the
amount
of
money
that
they
they
feel
is
necessary
to
cover
the
cost.
They
have
indicated
that
they
had
in
the
past
to
use
funds
from
other
sources
in
order
to
cover
the
costs
to
provide
the
city
services.
Q
U
N
C
N
Okay,
so
I
guess
the
resident
had
looked
into
it
and
and
reported
to
me
that
animal
control
did
not
go
after
stray
cats,
but
the
truth
is
there
is
a
measure:
it's
it's
a
cage
and
they
okay,
but
the
Humane
Society
nor
the
city,
nobody
other
than
residents
is
catching
stray
cats
and
bringing
them
human
Humane
Society.
Is
that
correct.
A
S
Year,
worship,
the
city
does
have
a
tnv
our
program,
so
a
trap
neuter
vaccinate
return
program.
Previous
years,
we've
worked
with
spay
neuter
Kingston
initiative
on
that
program.
We're
currently
we'll
be
coming
forward
with
a
new
framework
for
updated
program,
because
nikki
is
no
longer
involved,
so
we're
looking
at
working
with
other
community
partners
to
provide
the
same
same
service
to
the
community.
S
S
S
W
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
the
Humane
Society
mentioned
that
they
would
require
about
twenty
eight
twenty
nine
thousand
and
our
agreement
is
twenty-four
thousand
per
month,
including
the
one
thousand
four
mergency
services.
So
are
they
confident
that
they
can
give
this
same
level
of
service?
I
know
we
are
giving
an
increase,
but
it
still
seems
to
be
a
bit
short
of
what
they
had
in
mind.
S
G
Thank
you
or
worship
a
couple
of
questions
that
got
sort
of
asked
but
couldn't
be
answered
in
a
certain
category.
So
I'm
still
we
didn't
it
was
asked,
but
we
still
didn't
get
an
answer
as
to
why
the
number
of
animals
taken
in
are
so
high
in
Kingston.
Perhaps
we
don't
know
and
if
that's
the
answer
fair
enough,
but
I'm
just
wondering
when
you
see
it,
it's
so
outsized
compared
to
the
comparators
that
we
see
they're
wondering
why
there
are
so
many
animals
taken
in
like
we
talked
about
how
it
could
be
different.
G
S
Q
You
and
three
misdemeanors,
so
I
I
do
not
have
the
answer
to
the
why
either
I
wish
I
I
did,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
it
was
part
not
the
only
reason,
but
part
of
the
reason
why
the
response
responsible
pet
ownership
program
was
established
a
number
of
years
ago
because
of
those
concerns
and
the
numbers
that
that
we
are
showing
are
high.
But
there
has
been
progress
made
in
that
area,
so
they
used
to
be
higher
than
than
what
we're
seeing
and
because
of
the
number
of
initiatives
that
have
taken
place.
G
You
that's
good
enough.
I
just
want
to
know
why
it
was
asked
again
not
in
the
right
category.
Why
did
we
pick
these
comparators?
Usually
when
we're
gonna
have
comparators
they're
places
that
are
our
size
like
Guelph
or
Branford
or-
and
we
didn't
do
that
in
this
case,
and
so
I'm
wondering
why
do
we
have
to
compare
as
we
do
in
the
report?
And
why
didn't
we
pick
other
ones
which
are
more
common?
For
other
reasons,.
E
E
So
for
that
reason,
and
also
in
terms
of
time
and
and
cost
involved,
looking
at
three
compared
to
municipalities,
also
Ottawa
is
very
much
a
best
practice
that
was
identified
to
us
by
our
partners,
the
humane
society
here
in
Kingston,
suggesting
that
we
look
at
Ottawa.
We
had
recognized
through
our
research
that
Ottawa's
contract
was
unique
in
that
it
has
the
formula
that
was
recommended
by
the
KPMG
and
that
we
intend
to
implement
for
future
contracts.
G
The
history
of
this
came
when
the
Humane
Society
reported
to
the
city
a
few
years
ago
that
they
were
losing
money
supplying
this
surface
and
I.
Think
it's
important
for
us
to
remember
that
the
Acting
CEO
alluded
to
it
and
when
you
look
at
their
financial
statements,
which
I
still
remember,
they
were
going
broke,
basically
supplying
a
service
which
is
a
city
surface
through
their
own
effort
and
compassion
and
so
on.
So
as
I
remember,
we
greatly
increased
their
the
contribution
we
gave
to
them.
G
G
The
main
point
from
a
staff
point
of
view
is:
let's
get
this
on
a
basis
where
we
can
compare
it
from
contract
to
contract
and
then
we'll
know,
what's
really
going
on
or
we'll
have
a
better
way
of
comparing
in
seeing
where
our
money
is
going,
whether
it
is
I
mean
I,
don't
think
they
doubt
it's
been
well
spent,
but
so
we'll
have
an
idea
of
the
economics
of
this.
So,
in
that
context,
I
feel
some
relief
that
we
are
actually
able
to
get
beyond
the
problem.
G
A
B
J
You,
your
worship
through
you,
I,
just
have
one
question
for
staff
and
just
for
clarification
as
to
what
we
learned
at
the
meeting
that
night
I
had
an
email
from
a
concerned
concerned.
Constituent
and
I
just
need
to
make
sure
that
if
we
approve
this
tonight
going
ahead
for
the
RFP,
that
is
not
committing
the
city
to
having
a
bi-weekly
garbage
pickup.
Is
it.
O
J
X
You
worship
and
through
you
so
a
couple
questions
first,
with
the
dual
stream
option
is
that
it
does
say
that
the
report
says
that
there
wouldn't
be
the
need
for
as
much
curbside
sorting,
but
is
there
a
value
to
continue
that?
Would
that
continue
to
some
extent
and
I
guess
what
I'm
thinking
about
is?
Is
there
a
risk
of
contaminated
materials
that
still
needs
to
be
mitigated
by
sorting
at
the
curb.
O
You,
your
worship,
the
the
collection
method,
would
still
be
open
recycling
boxes
so
similar
to
what
we
do
right
now.
Sometimes
there
are
materials
in
there
that
cannot
that
are
not
recyclables
and
need
to
be
left
behind,
so
the
Box
still
needs
to
be
picked
up,
walked
over
to
the
hopper
on
the
side
of
the
truck,
and
at
that
time,
if
there
were
items
that
shouldn't
go
in
there,
we
would
leave
those
behind
in
the
box.
Much
like
we
do
today.
X
Thank
you
and
then
another
a
couple,
more
questions.
Sorry!
So
the
is
there
a
difference
between
the
business
case
for
the
eastern
region.
Let's
say
that's
something
that's
presented
as
a
still
an
option,
but
potentially
a
none,
not
a
very
likely
option,
so
I'm
just
having
a
little
bit
of
trouble
distinguishing
between
whether
there
is
a
difference
between
the
eastern
region
as
an
option
for
the
MuRF
or
producers
for
the
new
potential
for
produce
producers
to
pay
the
costs
of
recycling.
So
are
those
two
separate
markets
for
the
MuRF
or
are
they
are
they?
O
So
three-year
worship
person
with
dual
stream
was
an
identified,
preferred
approach
back
in
2009
and
at
that
time
going
into
to
2014.
We
were
looking
at
becoming
a
regional
facility
and
things
have
shifted
since
the
waste-free
Ontario
Act
was
approved,
which
means
that
the
Ontario's
blue
box
program
plan
will
shift
from
a
shared
costing
model
right
now,
with
producers
and
municipalities
to
a
full
producer
responsibility
and
so
through
understanding
how
future
regulations
might
look
for
recycling
the
cost
to
proceed
with
upgrading
to
be
a
larger
regional
facility
as
a
large
capital
cost.
O
So
at
this
time
we
had
other
reports
that
had
come
to
EIT
P
as
well
recommending
that
we
still
pursue
dual
stream
because
it's
a
preferred
approach
but
scale
it
back
and
not
move
forward
with
a
large
regional
approach,
because
the
capital
cost
is
too
high,
and
that
could
be
too
much
of
a
risk
if
we
shift
to
a
full
producer
responsibility
regime
in
the
next
10
years,
and
they
perhaps
don't
choose
the
city's
facility
to
meet
their
responsibilities
under
new
regulations.
So
still
a
lot
of
unknown
information.
X
G
C
O
Three-Year
chair
glass
will
be
in
the
blue
box,
with
plastic
containers
and
paper,
and
other
fiber
products
and
plastic
bags
will
still
be
in
the
grey
box.
So
you
would
still
set
out
a
grey
box
and
a
blue
box,
and
the
blue
box
would
simply
be
tipped
into
one
compartment
on
the
side
of
the
truck
and
the
grey
box
would
be
dumped
into
another
compartment
on
the
side
of
the
truck.
So
glass
and
paper
is
still
going
to
be
kept
separate
in
those
two
different
boxes
and
not
be
stuck
together.
C
N
You
worship,
we
actually
had
discussion
that
committee
for
over
and
over
an
hour
and
a
half
I
think
on
this
subject
and
actually
I
got
a
report
that
there
what
started
out
as
a
discussion
with
a
lot
of
skepticism
at
the
committee
level
on
the
justification
for
any
extra
costs
at
all
on
this.
And
you
know,
because
the
the
community
is
already
used
to
the
system
that
we
have
so
that
ain't
broke,
don't
fix
it
kind
of
idea,
but
actually
through
the
discussion.
N
O
Three
year
workshop,
that's
correct,
so
what
we
know
is
that
the
latest
waste
composition
data
indicates
that
we
send
about
2,400
tons
of
recyclables
to
landfill
today,
so
those
recyclables
are
still
being
placed
in
the
garbage
and
we.
What
we
know
is
that
a
lot
of
those
recyclables
are
very
obvious,
like
pop
bottles,
aluminum
cans.
So
why
aren't
they
ending
up
in
the
recycling
boxes?
The
resident
is
using
the
blue
and
the
gray
box.
They've
demonstrated
that
through
our
audits,
but
yet
they're
still
throwing
recyclables
in
the
garbage.
O
So,
through
our
customer
satisfaction
survey
in
2018,
we
ask
questions
if,
if
residents
thought
that,
if
we
provided
weekly
collection
of
both
boxes,
if
that
that
may
help
them
and
the
majority
of
the
answers
to
that
were-
or
yes
so
to
your
question?
Yes,
we
do
feel
that
offering
a
greater
level
of
service
by
providing
weekly
collection
of
blue
and
gray
would
certainly
help
to
achieve
council's
goal
of
65%
waste
diversion
by
2025.
O
N
And
so
therefore,
if
you're
doubling
the
opportunity,
the
suggestion
that
we
can
get
a
5%
increase
is
very
credible.
So
that
was
the
biggest
piece.
The
other
one
was
that
the
sticker
shock
factor
was
actually
much
less
than
what
I
first
thought.
So,
if
you
just
sort
of
very
briefly
tell
us
what
is
this
going
to
talk?
Cost
the
taxpayer.
O
You
your
worship,
so
the
studies
that
we
have
completed
and
based
on
conceptual
design.
What
we
know
is
that
it's
likely
going
to
cost
an
additional
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
year
in
the
operating
budget,
with
what
we
want
to
do
to
convert
the
material
recovery
facility
to
a
dual
stream.
The
capital
funds
required
from
that
are
about
1.8
million
dollars.
O
N
O
N
You
so
yeah
I
started
out
going
in
with
the
committee
meeting
fairly
skeptical
like
I
said,
and
I
wasn't
the
only
one
about
this,
but
now
I
I'd
like
to
say
to
my
colleagues
that
I
after
hearing
the
discussion
and
all
the
questions
that
we
had
and
and
and
what
we've
heard
tonight,
I'm
confident
that
supporting
this
proposal
is
a
good
idea.
Thank
you.
Thank.
Q
You
and
through
it
through
you,
mr.
mayor,
so
I
just
want
to
also
clarify
that
when
we're
talking
about
capital
cost,
these
are
dollars
that
have
already
been
approved
by
council.
So
we're
not
talking
about
putting
an
additional
burden
on
the
the
taxpayers
here.
So
it's
it's
already
part
of
our
capital
projects.
F
C
O
F
O
Three-Year
worship,
the
city
of
Kingston's
recyclables,
have
have
always
been
sold
into
a
North
American
marketplace.
So
although
the
City
of
Kingston
has
been
impacted
by
China's
ban
on
North
American
waste,
which
includes
recyclables,
we've
been
fortunate
that
we're
still
able
to
sell
our
recyclables
and
so
but
there's
less
money
involved
in
that.
So
because
there's
a
greater
supply
that
the
North
American
marketplace
needs
to
absorb
because
China's
not
buying
those
recyclables
anymore.
O
It
has
impacted
the
revenue
that
we're
making
from
the
sale
of
recyclables,
so
we're
now
competing
with
a
greater
supply
that
comes
at
typically
a
lower
quality.
So
those
municipalities
that
were
selling
recyclables
to
China
typically
had
a
lower
quality
and
we're
coming
from
a
single
stream
program
where
all
recyclables
are
thrown
into
one
box
or
one
cart,
and
so
it
is
putting
pressure
on
the
system.
Thank.
L
Thank
you
and
I
want
to
thank
the
previous
two
councillors
who
asked
just
about
all
of
my
questions
so
but
I
do
I'd
like
to
point
out
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
believe
that
all
of
the
capital
costs
in
fact
are
part
of
a
capital
reserve
fund
that
was
set
up
some
years
ago.
So
there's
no
immediate
impact
on
our
current
capital
budget
plans
is
that
accurate.
L
You
and
I
also
understand
that
there
was
a
very
thorough
survey
done
and
that
overwhelmingly
citizens
of
Kingston
seemed
to
embrace
the
idea
of
knowing
they
can
put
out
a
gray
and
a
blue
box.
And,
unlike
me,
they
don't
have
to
run
down
to
the
street
to
see
what
the
neighbours
put
out
this
week.
So
is
that
accurate
as
well
that
the
response
to
the
public
survey
was
overwhelmingly
in
favor
of
dual
stream.
O
Through
your
worship,
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
which
survey
you're
referring
to
I
know
that
Global
Kingston
had
a
surveys,
but
if
you're,
referring
to
the
customer,
satisfaction
survey
that
city
staff
did
in
2018,
I
would
say.
Yes,
people
felt
that
by
providing
double
the
amount
of
opportunity
to
recycle,
it
would
help
them
to
recycle
more
in
their
home.
Thank.
A
V
V
So,
to
follow
that
up,
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
where
some
of
the
benefits
of
this
might
be.
So
if
we
go
dual
stream
go
52
weeks
a
year,
we
could
potentially
increase
the
total
collected
recyclables,
which
would
therefore
which
could
have
a
revenue
gain.
Even
if
it's
small
in
the
North
American
market
and
at
the
same
time
we
could
see
whatever
reduction
in
garbage.
So
there's
actually
more
of
a
chance
for
those
to
balance
and
perhaps
pay
for
more
of
the
operating
cost
increase
in
this
overtime.
Is
that
accurate.
O
O
Y
W
Thank
you,
yeah
mayor,
sorry,
miss
Roberts
at
the
at
the
committee
hearing
I'm
just
putting
a
few
thoughts
together.
You
gave
a
great
presentation
because
I
was
a
bit
like
councillor.
Stroud
I
was
walked
into
the
meeting
with
lots
of
questions
and
was
very
hesitant
to
support
this
and
and
through
the
discussions
and
learning
from
your
Lord
I,
really
changed
my
opinion
and
I'm
very
happy
to
support
the
next
phase.
W
The
request
for
the
proposal
and
one
of
the
conversation
pieces
that
you
added
that
during
in
that
that
discussion
was
that
you
explained
where
we
may
be
going
in
the
future
with
a
hundred
percent
producer
responsibility
and
that
we
want
to
remain
a
regional
center
and
why
they
would
be
looking
for
a
dual
system
like
this.
So
I
wonder
if
you
could
explain
that
to
everyone
here
tonight,
Thanks.
O
What
what
it
will
look
like
in
a
full
producer,
responsibility
regime,
but
what
we
have
heard
from
the
producers
through
consultation
sessions
in
2018
is
that
they
are
most
likely
going
to
be
looking
for
upgraded
processing
facilities,
facilities
that
have
made
efficiencies
and
perhaps
not
going
to
total
single-stream
to
gain
efficiencies
on
collection,
but
certainly
a
dual
stream.
They
will
be.
We
believe
that
they'll
be
looking
for
that.
G
B
A
A
A
And
that
carries
okay.
We
have
nothing
from
Committee
of
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whole
information
reports.
If
you
have
any
questions,
just
raise
your
hand
as
I
read
through
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policy.
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status,
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no
information
report,
some
members
of
council
miscellaneous
business.
A
We
have
one
motion
that
notwithstanding
section
three
point,
one
point:
four
subsection
5
with
the
illumination
of
city
facilities
policy,
Kingston
City
Council
approved
the
elimination
of
City
Hall
and
Springer
Market
Square
in
green
on
April
18th
2019
for
be
a
donor
month.
Can
I
have
a
mover.
Please
move
by
councillor
Neill
seconded
by
councillor
row
sanic.
A
Back
with
recommendations
about
how
the
city
could
facilitate
the
creation
of
such
a
fund
and
set
up
a
grant
framework
to
encourage
and
position
Kingston
as
an
innovative
technology,
climate
harm
reduction
hub,
which
will
allow
Kingston
to
have
an
exponential
positive
impact
on
climate
health
worldwide.
Far
beyond
our
municipal
borders,
councillor
boom,
you
have
the
floor.
Thank.
V
You
worship,
and
through
you
so
normally
I
would
be
the
first
one
to
say
that
we
should
wait
until
after
strategic
priorities
planning
sessions
before
moving
any
motions
like
this.
However,
clearly,
if
we
have
declared
a
climate
emergency,
then
there's
no
time
to
waste
and,
to
put
it
simply,
climate
initiatives
have
already
de
facto
become
one
of
our
strategic
priorities,
therefore,
to
further
delay
practical
action
on
this
would
be
quite
simply
wasting
valuable
time
and
a
defer.
V
A
decision
on
a
motion
that
seeks
to
provide
non-traditional
funding
after
having
just
declared
a
climate
emergency
would
have
poor
optics
and
be
a
disservice
to
our
previous
declaration.
The
community
has
heard
our
declaration
of
an
emergency
and
also
a
call
to
action.
Many
are
asking
me
and
I'm
sure
others
have
heard
this
as
well.
Okay,
you
declared
an
emergency
now.
What
are
you
doing
about
it?
I've
also
heard
from
the
community.
How
can
I
help
is
there?
V
A
phone
I
can
donate
to
that
would
go
towards
climate
strategies,
and
some
references
to
a
similar
fund
already
are
in
use
in
Peterborough.
So
it
will
take
many
different
initiatives,
and
this
is
by
no
means
a
silver
bullet,
but
it
will
help
and
it
is
completely
voluntary
and
it
allows
the
community
to
get
involved
and
engage
on
this
issue.
We
already
have
technology
in
its
infancy
being
researched
in
Kingston.
That
is
looking
at
ways
to
reduce
our
impact
mitigate
or
even
reverse
it.
V
Imagine
what
they
could
do
with
a
little
bit
more
seed
funding
from
a
non-traditional
source,
and
it
would
be
a
made
in
Kingston
solution
that
could
be
exported
to
the
world.
Think
about
shingles
veteran
use
almost
everywhere
that
pull
carbon
from
the
air
or
flat
roofs
lined
with
this
material
or
adding
it
to
other
building
materials
and
building
carbon
offset
housing.
What
other
new
opportunities
or
technologies
are
just
waiting
to
be
seized
by
the
bold
here
in
Kingston?
V
Kingston
is
one
city,
so
all
the
reduction
we
can
do
here
will
help,
but
it
will
only
go
so
far
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things.
Even
if
we
were
able
to
reduce
our
carbon
footprint
to
zero
as
a
city
for
Kingston
to
have
a
truly
global
impact.
We
on
the
already
known
ways
we
need
to
foster
innovative
and
new
perspectives
and
have
some
money
available
to
fund
these
endeavors.
V
When
those
opportunities
arise,
it
could
be
a
new
technology
or
something
even
as
simple
as
it
was
discussed
earlier,
as
planting
new
trees
or
for
people
to
be
able
to
plant
trees
that
were
given
to
them
on
their
properties
across
the
city.
The
opportunities
here
really
are
as
endless
as
the
ideas
that
can
be
generated
by
our
community
I've
heard.
V
Some
concern
about
the
broad
scope
of
the
wording
of
this
motion
to
this
I
would
inform
that
it
was
left
that
way
in
particular,
so
that
staff
would
have
the
ability
to
take
a
broad
look
at
the
issue
and
come
back
with
recommendations
that
would
allow
us
to
have
a
truly
made
in
Kingston
Climate
Fund
I.
Ask
my
colleagues
to
support
this
motion
and
help
the
ships
help
the
city
show
leadership
and
initiative
and
ways
to
think
outside
the
box.
V
This
motion
is
the
start
of
putting
into
action
the
words
that
were
recently
declared
in
Kingston
that
we
have
a
climate
emergency.
No,
this
will
not
solve
all
the
problems
and
many
other
things
will
need
to
be
done,
but
it
is
a
start
and
a
way
to
help
engage
the
community
fund
innovative
as
well
as
technological
solutions
that
may
have
a
hard
time
getting
funding
through
traditional
sources.
V
This
will
also
help
to
create
a
citywide
dialogue
about
how
we
can
all
get
involved
and
help
be
the
change
we
want
to
see
in
the
world
and
help
solidify
Kingston
as
a
climate
leader
and
show
the
world
what
our
city
is.
Truly
capable
of
in
the
end,
we
will
be
remembered
not
for
our
words
and
declarations,
but
for
our
actions
and
their
effect.
Thank
you.
V
L
B
L
Thank
you
very
much.
I
totally
support
the
intent
of
this
motion.
I
think
it's
a
move
in
there
right
direction
and,
in
fact,
with
some
kind
of
a
cap
upset
limit
I
think
it
would
be
an
encouragement
to
the
community
if
we
were
to
say
that
we
would
match
any
donations
up
to
a
certain
level.
So
that's
something
I'll
bring
forward
at
strategic
planning,
perhaps
because
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
way
to
generate
even
greater
interest
in
in
this
initiative.
So
I
will
definitely
be
supporting
this.
Thank
you.
Thank.
W
W
In
the
second,
in
the
second
last
Clause,
when
we,
when
we
recommend
options
to
allow
residents
of
the
King
City
of
Kingston,
to
do
it,
made
additional
funds
in
the
second
last
part
for
local
climate
action
initiatives.
I
believe
we
need
to
add
something
there
that
includes
initiatives
targeted
at
reducing
greenhouse
gases.
V
Your
worship
in
three
years
that
was
part
of
the
intent,
is
to
not
pigeonhole
the
conversation,
so
it
could
very
well
come
to
that
point,
but
the
thing
is,
we
already
have
other
initiatives
that
are
tied
to
greenhouse
gases.
So
if
we
do
that,
we
we
kind
of
already
narrow
our
focus
and
we
have
no
idea
really
what
climate
initiatives
could
come
out
of
this.
So
it
was
kind
of
purposely
left
broad
to
allow
us
to
dial
it
in
at
a
later
date.
V
C
P
Who
you,
mr.
mayor,
the
as
it's
worded
right
now?
It
does
talk
about
helping
us
achieve
our
climate
goals
and,
of
course,
the
council's
set
goals
right
now
are
related
to
GHG
reduction.
So
I
think
it
is
ultimately
tied
to
that
right
now
through
that
language.
But
we
we
read
the
emotion
and
discussion
that
we
will
be
bringing
back
information
to
council
for
a
recommendation
aside
of
this
fund,
and-
and
we
can,
we
could
take
a
broad
approach
to
that.
Y
Thank
you
through
you,
your
worship,
but
I
also
thought
when
I
first
saw
this
motion
that
that
this
wasn't
the
right
time
for
it
that
maybe
it
was
more
appropriate
for
strategic
planning.
But
I
do
agree
with
what
councillor
Boehm
said
that
we
need
to
demonstrate
that
we
are
ready
to
move
on
this
and
move
quickly
and
I
thought.
At
the
same
time,
I
thought
you
know
who
would
want
to
do
that.
Y
You
know
make
that
kind
of
a
contribution
and
I
suspect
it's
probably
the
same
kind
of
people
that
get
on
an
airplane
I'm
buying
a
carbon
offset
when
they
do
that.
So
I
think
it's
it's
a
very
good
idea.
It's
an
opportunity
for
citizens
to
participate
directly.
I
saw
one
of
our
local
media.
Did
a
straw
poll
and
56%
of
people
were
not
too
part
of
the
idea,
but
26%
of
people
were
so
if
those
26%
of
people
were
commit
to
making
that
kind
of
a
contribution
that
would
be
pretty
substantial.
Y
X
Here,
worship,
I,
am
I,
agree
with
much
of
what
has
been
said
as
far
as
the
imperative
and
the
desire
to
definitely
illustrate
our
intentions
to
move
forward
and
move
fairly
quickly.
So
my
concern
isn't
so
much
about
the
timing
in
relation
to
strategic,
just
retreat
to
strategic
planning,
but
it's
I
do
have
a
quite
a
number
of
concerns,
mostly
to
do
with
the
the.
X
Implication
of
suggesting
that
this
type
of
activity
is
something
that
isn't
necessarily
the
responsibility
of
elected
leaders
that
it
is
something
that
individual
contributions
beyond
the
tax
base
is
is
designed
to
fund.
It
essentially
makes
it
seem
as
though
some
of
the
responsibilities
of
fighting
climate
change
is
being
downloaded
through
a
through
a
kind
of
integration,
with
a
charitable
scheme
of
some
kind.
I
have
problems
with
that.
I
think
all
too
often
we're
seeing
charities
and
nonprofit
organizations
picking
up
the
slack
when
governments
fail
to
act
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
like
the
direction.
X
X
Don't
know
that
that's
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done,
I
think
getting
cars
off
the
road
as
councillor
Daugherty
has
alluded
to,
and
reducing
greenhouse
gas
emissions
would
have
a
far
greater
positive
impact
on
our
goal
of
fighting
climate
change
than
creating
a
hub
and
I
understand
the
desire
to
sort
of
see
some
economic
benefit
come
from
all
of
this
as
well.
It's
all
good
intentions,
I
just
am
really
struggling
with
what
the
ask
is
here,
because
the
ask
is
not
to
have
us
reduce
climate
emission
carbon
emissions.
X
G
You,
your
worship,
I,
appreciate
the
good
intentions
behind
this,
and
that's
fine,
but
I
have
a
number
of
questions
and
observations.
First,
one
is
we're
going
to
encourage
innovative
local
technology.
Why
isn't
Ted
Coe
doing
this
I
think
they
are
actually
are
trying
to
do
it
so
to
me,
it's
bit
misplaced
in
that
way.
G
If
we
want
to
give
them
some
extra
money
and
they
do
have
some
reserves,
they
could
get
started
on
it
soon
if
we
put
it
to
them
so
it's
possible
and
actually,
in
my
view,
would
go
in
there
more
quickly
in
the
right
direction.
The
other
thing
is
the
ways
with
voluntary
donate
beyond
their
taxes.
There's
a
to
me
a
couple
of
fundamental
problems
there.
First
of
all,
that's
what
the
Harris
government
did
when
they
said
you
could
contribute
towards
the
paying
off
of
the
dead.
Okay.
G
It
was
a
Bismil
failure,
not
a
nearly
enough
people
did
it,
okay
and
as
a
and
as
a
result,
it
appeared
in
general
to
be
disingenuous.
They
didn't
really
mean
it.
That's
the
way
it
looked.
Okay
and
as
politicians
we
have
to
think
about
that.
But
in
terms
of
trying
to
engage
the
public,
it
also
encourages-
and
this
is
what
councilor
hollom
was
getting
at
in
her
own
words
is-
is
that
I
believe
won't
put
words
in
her
mouth?
The
is
if
you,
if
you.
G
If
you
have
people,
sorry
I
lost
my
spot
here.
The
we're
in
this
together.
All
of
us
we're
all
part
of
the
problem.
It's
like
councilor
Hill
talking
about
this
is
a
war
last
time
when
we
did
this
right
and
I
was
joking
with
them.
Afterwards,
you
see
a
cartoon
where
they
said
we
have
met
the
enemy
and
the
enemy
is
us
and
often
said
by
the
alligator,
who
is
putting
out
his
cigar
in
the
lemonade
at
the
same
time?
G
Okay,
so
if
you
think
about
it,
that
sounds
a
bit
like
us,
so
just
individuals
as
a
society,
we've
despoiled
our
environment,
so
to
say
that
some
people
can
pay
or
may
pay
or
want
to
pay
that
takes
away
from
the
focus
of
the
collective
and
collaborative
action
we're
all
in
together,
there's
no
getting
around
it.
So
we
have
to
change.
G
This
is
horrible
to
have
to
say
this
because
it's
hard
to
convince
people,
but
we
have
to
change
the
way.
We
do
things
fundamentally,
if
we're
going
to
get
out
of
this
so
for
ourselves
and
our
children
or
our
children's
children.
So,
for
that
reason,
I
think
this
is
sort
of
misdirected.
It
sends
the
wrong
message
in
a
Miss
steps,
us
as
a
city
and
a
city
citizens
from
the
very
start
of
our
enterprise.
G
Remember
strategic
planning
is
next
week,
nothing's
going
to
happen
between
now
and
then
and
then
we'll
have
all
the
ideas,
including
all
the
emails,
were
getting
this
done
getting
sure,
in
fact,
like
quite
sure,
everybody
else
is
getting
many,
many
of
them
and
so
I'm
really
kind
of
concerned
that
we
don't
prejudge
this
situation
and
so
for
mine.
From
my
point
of
view,
I'm
gonna
move
that
we
defer
this
till
after
it's
a
teaching
planning
five,
a
seconder.
A
C
F
Quick
point
of
order
with
respect
to
time
in
place
and
I'll
add
to
argue
why
I
think
the
deferral
is
not
appropriate
with
respected
time,
but
it's
a
bit
bigger
than
that.
So
please
call
me
out
of
order
if
I
am
but
I
think
climate
change
is
pressing
upon
us.
Now,
we've
seen
hundreds
of
people
hit
the
streets,
we've
had
hundreds
of
emails
come
in.
This
is
one
of
many
motions
and
of
order
arguing.
A
F
A
You
so
with
respect
to
time
or
place,
because
the
motion
to
defer
is
to
defer
this
until
after
strategic
planning.
The
reason
why
I
would
suggest
that
it
is
better
than
we
deal
with
this
now
is
because
one
of
the
key
elements
within
strategic
clip
strategic
planning
is
financial
decisions
on
how
we
are
going
to
manage
all
of
our
priorities.
So
it
would
suggest
that
if
this
is
a
tool,
this
is
a
fiscal
tool
that
we
want
on
the
table.
It's
better
to
make
that
decision
now
and
that.
C
U
Z
Thank
You
Mara
Patterson
I'm
inclined
to
support
the
motion.
I
do
hear
all
the
discussions
and
you
know
agree
with
everyone
just
a
little
bit.
I
do
find
it
a
little
bit
rushed,
but
in
the
sense
that
we
do
have
strategic
planning
next
week,
but
I
understand
that
you
know
now
is
the
time
I
just
wanted
to
understand
the
motion
in
the
in
the
context
that
it's
really
recommending
for
staff
to
do
the
research
like?
A
P
Z
A
So
when
we
discuss
the
climate
emergency
declaration
two
weeks
ago,
there
was
a
question
of
one
delegation
and
the
question
was:
if
we
could
do
more
to
address
climate
change,
would
you
be
willing
to
contribute
something
that
is
above
property
taxes,
I'm
paraphrasing?
But
that
was
more
or
less
the
question
and
the
answer
was
was
yes
now?
Obviously
not
everybody
would
answer
that
way,
but
I
think
that
in
some
ways
that
was
the
seed
of
the
discussion
that
we're
having
around
the
table
right
now
now
to
be
clear
and
I
know
this
was
said
I.
A
Ideally,
we
would
be
having
this
discussion
with
strategic
planning.
However,
we
made
the
decision
to
weeks
ago
that
we
were
going
to
make
climate
action
a
priority,
so
that's
already
been
established.
That's
what
has
opened
up
the
door
to
this
discussion
now
on
that
and
I
think
that
this
is
a
really
critical
point.
A
This
Climate
Fund
is
not
a
substitute
for
City
dollars
that
we
are
going
to
be
using
on
climate
action
by
very
virtue
of
making
climate
change
climate
action
a
strategic
priority.
We
are
going
to
put
all
kinds
of
funding
to
city
initiatives
to
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
This
is
simply
an
additional
non
tax
revenue
tool
to
be
able
to
allow
us
to
do
more.
A
number
of
years
ago
there
was
proposal
that
came
forward
to
construct
some
turtle,
fencing
in
the
area
around
the
Ambassador
Hotel
and
after
some
back-and-forth.
A
The
proposal
was
that,
if
this
community
would
do
some
fundraising
that
the
city
would
match
that,
and
that
was
a
great
model
we
heard
earlier
about
doing
things
differently.
I
really
like
councillor
Neill
suggestion
that
ultimately
one
great
way
to
promote
of
this
sort
of
a
fund
is
that,
if
you
donate
to
this
fund,
then
the
city
will
match
that
funding
and
we'll
be
able
to
do
that
much
more.
This
is
really
not
about
substituting
things.
We
would
already
do
as
a
city.
A
This
is
just
to
allow
us
to
do
more,
because
I
think
we
can
all
agree.
This
is
an
issue
and
a
file
where
we
can
always
do
more.
This
is
simply
an
additional
tool
that
will
help
us
to
get
to
our
goals
of
leadership
and
climate
action.
That
much
faster,
so
for
that
reason,
I
will
encourage
council
to
support
this
understanding
that
will
be
work
in
terms
of
coming
up
with
the
best
practices.
The
best
way
to
explain
it
communicated
marketed
what
sort
of
projects.
How
will
we
decide
how
the
money
is
spent?
Great
questions?
A
That's
the
whole
idea
is
that
we
can
start
that
work
now
and
then
we
can
have
something
in
place.
This
is
the
best
practice.
Other
cities
are
doing
this.
We
heard
this
from
delegations,
so
I
think
if
we
are
going
to
be
climate
leaders,
why
not
partner
and
to
be
clear?
This
is
not
about
us
transferring
the
responsibility
on
this
to
somebody
else.
This
is
about
saying
we're
all
in
this
together,
so
we
need
all
of
our
community
partners.
A
U
Thank
you.
I
have
five
basic
points
against
this
and
the
first
one
is
this
irrational,
irrational
faith
in
technology
to
save
us?
The
idea
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
for
innovative
technology
that
is
going
to
somehow
save
us
from
climate
change
is
pie
in
the
sky.
To
me,
there
are
science
tells
us
that
there
are
three
things
that
we
can
do
right
away.
We
can
eliminate
the
products
of
animal
agriculture,
we
can
eliminate
the
use
of
the
internal
combustion
engine
and
we
can
buy
locally
if
we're
gonna
have
a
fun
like
this.
U
That's
the
message
that
we
got
to
get
out
there.
We
got
to
convince
as
many
people
of
that.
Looking
for
some
star
trek-like
technology,
that's
going
to
save
us
from
those
save
the
environment,
it's
fine,
the
sky
and
we'll
be
a
waste
of
money.
It's
also
second
point
bad
disaster
marketing.
If
you
are
going
to
market
people
asking
for
donations
for
people,
you
don't
ask
for
sort
of
a
nebulous
kind
of
thing.
You
ask
for
very
specific
things.
U
So
when
you
have
say
for
a
famine
relief,
you
have
a
concert
which
people
go
to,
or
you
ask
for
specific
things.
Something
like
this
will
not
generate
as
much
money
as
something
very
specific,
such
as
say
an
electric
bus.
So
what
we
should
be
asking
for
is
very
specific
if
we're
going
to
go
that
way
and
not
asking
for
people
to
do
the
most
important
things
which
are
reduction
in
animal
agriculture,
reducing
the
internal
combustion
engine
and
buying
locally,
if
that's
the
bad
marketing
part
of
it.
So
there's
also
a
really
bad
economics
here.
U
Governments
have
a
very
bad
track
record
of
picking
winners,
winning
technology
before
the
market
does.
If
you
try
and
do
this
ahead
of
it,
we
would
be
billionaires.
Any
one
of
us
could
do
that,
but
it's
very
very
difficult.
So
if
we
do
collect
money
and
invest
in
something
that
the
market
hasn't
already
determined
as
the
best
way
to
do
something,
it's
wasted
money
and
that
should
be
put
that
money
could
have
been
better
put
into
more
useful
things
like
actually
convincing
people
to
get
rid
of
their
automobiles.
U
And
there
is
some
language
here
that
really
strikes
me
as
bad
the
idea
of
punching
beyond
our
weight.
Really,
who
are
we
punching?
This
is
like
really
a
bad
analogy.
It
doesn't
really
work
figuratively
because
it
would
mean
that
we're
punching
our
residents
like
we're
punching
our
residents
harder
than
other
cities.
The
better
analogy
would
be.
This
is
a
struggle.
This
is
struggle
for
all
of
us
to
change
and
the
idea
of
punching
ourselves.
This
just
doesn't
work,
it's
a
struggle
that
we
need
to
adapt
and
we're
all
in
this
together.
U
It's
not
like
we're
in
a
fighting
match
with
Chicago
or
some
other
country
like
that
or
some
other
city,
and
also
voluntary
donations,
for
something
that
affects
us
all
like
this
is
bad
equity.
The
idea
is
that
the
producers
who
produce
the
most
pollution
should
in
fact
pay
the
most.
But
if
we're
going
to
ask
people
who've
got
a
social
conscience
to
cover
the
costs
for
producers
of
pollution.
Then
they
are
that's
in
that's
an
injustice
and
an
inequity.
U
So
the
idea
of
actually
having
a
climate
fund
may
be
a
good
idea
if
it's
done
properly,
but
the
way
it's
done
here,
it's
a
distraction
and
takes
us
away
from
the
real
goals.
This
is
a
climate
emergency
and
we're
going
down
the
wrong
way,
and
if
we
go
down
faster
along
a
wrong
path,
it
gets
harder
to
come
back
to
the
real
path.
That's
what
this
is
we're
doing
this
too
quickly
and
we're
going
down
the
wrong
path
way
too
quickly.
U
It
would
be
better
to
go
slow
and
get
it
right
than
to
go
down
the
wrong
path,
so
I'm
gonna
be
voting
against.
This
I
would
really
hope
that
we
could
bring
it
back,
but
with
better
wording
and
looking
at
something
that's
actually
doable
that
it
can
actually
make
a
difference
as
opposed
to
the
bad
marketing,
the
bad
economics
and
the
bad
technology
idea
here
like
this
is
pie
in
the
sky,
so
I
will
not
be
supporting
this
and
I
completely
support
what
councilor
Holland
said
and
what
councillor
Hutchison
said,
because
that's
the
truth.
F
Thank
You,
mayor
Paterson
and
through
you
I,
strongly
support
this
motion
and
I
thank
the
mover
and
seconder
for
their
hoods
for
bringing
it
forward
to
show
that
indeed,
we
do
want
to
have
climate
action
in
our
community.
I
think
it's
very
important
in
fact,
that
we
have
a
motion
before
us.
The
meeting
after
we
have
declared
a
climate
emergency
in
the
meeting
after
we've
seen
one
of
the
biggest
protests
in
our
city's
recent
history
that
I
can
remember
being
in
the
activist
community
for
the
last
decade
plus
here.
It's
very
rarely.
F
Can
you
galvanize
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
people,
especially
young
people,
to
care
so
much
about
an
issue
and
to
have
such
a
clear
message
from
such
a
rally,
which
is
we
need
action,
and
this
is
just
one
of
thousands,
literally
thousands
of
actions
that
we
can
take
as
a
city,
both
collectively
as
a
council
from
the
corporate
perspective
of
government,
but
also
from
individual
citizens.
So
if
people
want
to
donate
to
this
fund,
they
have
every
right
to.
This
is
not
about
asking
citizens
to
unduly
bear
more
of
the
burden.
F
Then
we
need
to
take
on
as
the
government.
In
fact
I
see.
This
is
kind
of
icing
on
the
cake.
We
have
to
get
our
hands
in
that
cake
and
mix
around
the
ingredients
and
figure
out
what
will
be
the
most
healthy
and
nutritious
and
good
for
our
community
when
it
comes
to
climate,
that's
our
job.
This
is
just
extra
and
it's
good
extra,
because
those
people
out
there
who
want
a
place
to
put
their
efforts,
you
want
a
place
to
unload
their
anxieties.
This
could
be
it
as
for
the
wording.
F
I
think
it's
perfect
in
the
sense
that
it's
broad
enough,
that
it
moves
us
in
a
certain
direction
towards
technological
solutions,
which
will
undoubtedly
be
a
main
way
that
we
deal
with
reducing
our
emissions
drastically.
We
think
of
that,
as
it
is
concerned
to
cars,
electric
vehicles
hybrids,
that's
just
the
beginning.
There's
a
trillion
dollar
clean
tech
industry.
That's
burgeoning
and
Kingston
could
become
one
of
the
key
players
in
that
globally.
So
the
wording
allows
us
to
do
that,
but
it
doesn't
commit
us
only
to
that.
F
It
talks
about
Kingston
Climate
Fund,
so
we
can
then
steer
that
money
where
we
best
feel
that
we
should
based
on
feedback
from
our
constituents
based
on
our
strategic
planning,
which
we'll
be
going
into
so
I
think
the
concerns
that
are
raised
well,
they
have
a
certain
degree
of
legitimacy,
aren't
actually
reflective
of
this
motion
and
it
encouraged
all
of
us
to
now
put
into
action
what
we
said.
Last
time
we
talked
about
the
declaration
just
being
a
statement
to
galvanize
further
action.
Here's
a
great
opportunity
act,
so
please
vote
in
favor
of
it.
N
Thank
you,
worship.
This
is
turning
out
to
be
quite
a
good
debate.
Bad.
Thank
you
to
all
my
colleagues
for
your
contributions.
Just
before
I
stood
up
by
sock
counts,
rows
drop,
fill
up
his
glass
of
water.
He
filled
it
up
exactly
half
way,
and
that
leads
in
to
what
I
was
going
to
say
about
this
motion.
N
I
looked
up
the
definition
for
the
expression
half
measure,
and
it
is,
according
to
the
first
Google-
hit
an
action
or
policy
that
is
not
forceful
or
decisive
enough,
and
that
was
what
I
was
going
to
say
about
this
motion
and
I
was
going
to
join
my
colleagues
who've
spoken
against
it
and
vote
against.
However,
I've
had
second
thoughts
about
my
initial
intention,
listening
to
the
debate
and
also
looking
at
kilter,
osterhaus
PLAs,
so
you've
heard
these
other
expression.
N
Your
are
you
laugh,
glass,
half-full
kind
of
person
or
you,
a
glass,
half
empty
kind
of
person
and
actually
I'm
a
glass
half-full
kind
of
person,
so
I
would
say,
even
though
this
is
a
half
measure,
and
even
though
it
there's
many
other
things,
we
could
do
that
we
could
think
of
right
now
that
we
better,
for
example,
if
you,
if
you
asked
random
people
on
the
street,
what
would
what
do
you
want
to
do
about
climate
change?
What
should
we
do
about
climate
change?
N
You
could
start
compiling
a
list
like
like
on
family
feud
and
this
this
particular
idea
wouldn't
probably
make
the
top
three
I'm
pretty
sure
about
that.
However,
if
your
guys
have
full
kind
of
person
and
with
the
knowledge
that
this
doesn't
it
doesn't
end
here,
so
staff
comes
back
with
recommendations,
so
this
so
I'm
gonna
use
yet
another
analogy,
and
that
is
a
poker
analogy.
N
Counselor
Boehm
has
put
some
chips
into
the
middle
for
climate
for
the
pot,
which
is
climate
change,
reduction,
action,
climate
action
and
he's
saying
this
is
what
we
should
do,
and
so,
if
you
don't
agree
with
that,
that's
what
you
do.
The
correct
response
is
to
raise
not
fold
raise
so
come
back
with
something
even
better,
so
maybe
next
council
meeting
or
the
one
after
that,
the
ones
that
don't
particularly
like
this
half
measure.
N
V
Technology
is
what
got
us
here.
Dirty
technology
is
what
got
us
here
so
I
find
it
hard
to
fathom
that
clean
technology
is
all
part
of
the
solution
and
could
come
right
from
technologies
here
in
Kingston
is
not
going
to
be
part
of
the
answer.
No,
it's
not
gonna
be
the
Silver
Bullet,
but
it
will
be
part
of
the
answer.
This
is
not
about
downloading.
This
is
about
engagement.
This
is
about
having
a
conversation
with
the
public.
This
is
about
showing
people
how
they
can
get
involved.
Yes,
we
are
elected
leaders.
V
Yes,
we
will
lead
the
way.
Yes,
the
city
will
do
the
heavy
lifting,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I've
heard
many
different
people
are
on
this
table
say
we
are
all
in
this
together.
That
means
we
need
every
single
effort
to
me,
showing
my
three-year-old,
how
to
recycle
properly
so
that
it
doesn't
go
to
a
landfill
or
having
something
else
where
you're
just
passing
on.
V
It
is
about
changing
habits,
but
here's
the
thing
we're
not
gonna
change,
all
those
habits
in
one
day,
Kingston
can
remove
every
single
car
and
every
single
carbon
creating
thing
in
the
world
and
have
probably
less
than
point
one
percent
overall
effect
on
climate
change.
So
this
is
about
finding
a
way
that
we
can
punch
far
above
our
weight.
It's
not
about
punching
ourselves.
I,
don't
understand
where
that
came
from
it's
about
Kingston
having
an
exponential
impact
worldwide.
The
other
thing
is
Peterborough
raised
$24,000
through
their
fund.
So
how
did?
How
is
that
a
negative?
V
You
got
twenty
four
thousand
dollars
more
that
you
can
distribute.
Maybe
that's
twenty
four
thousand
dollars
worth
of
trees.
Maybe
that's
twenty
four
thousand
dollars
that
goes
towards
you
know
some
of
our
local
academic
institutions,
like
our
MC
Queens,
st.
Lawrence
College,
to
fund
climate
initiatives
there.
Maybe
it
is
looking
at
perhaps
hopefully
green
energy
and
greenhouse
gas
reduction,
so
I'm
not
really
sure
I'm,
very
surprised
that
there
could
be
so
so
many
negatives
in
this.
The
idea
of
going
down
the
wrong
path,
I
think
with
climate
change
in
something
like
this.
V
There
are
gonna,
be
many
paths
to
reducing
this
into
acting
on
this,
so
I,
don't
believe,
there's
a
such
thing
as
a
wrong
path.
There
are
multiple
paths
and
it
could
very
well
be
the
path
you
don't
take.
That
has
some
of
the
best
answers
so
calling
it
a
half-measure.
Okay,
well
0.5,
let's
round
that
up
full
measure
to
me,
it's
something
that
we
probably
will
regret.
V
If
we
don't
do,
if
we
don't
like
this
two
years
sooner,
I
guess
what
we
can
always
go
back,
but
if
we
don't
do
it,
we
can't
turn
around
and
look
at
everybody
outside
after
declaring
an
emergency
and
say
well,
maybe
we
should
have
done
that
two
years
ago.
So
I
really
hope.
This
is
something
that
everybody
can
support
and
if
you
have
concerns
we
can
work
through
it.
This
is
an
initial
ask.
The
other
thing
is:
there's
a
charitable
benefit
to
this,
so
somebody
that
donates
actually
gets
a
little
bit
of
a
kickback.
V
I'm
gonna
go
home
tonight
and
look
at
my
now,
four
children
and
I'm
gonna
say
jeez.
If
there
was
a
fund
here
where
I
could
donate,
that
would
help
to
guarantee
their
future
and
climate
harm
reduction
technology
coming
from
the
city
they
grow
up,
and
that,
perhaps,
is
maybe
will
be
a
field
they'll
work
in
someday.
What
I
donate
to
that
and
the
answer
would
be
yes.
Thank
you.
Okay,.