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From YouTube: Kingston, Ontario - City Council - June 7, 2022
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A
As
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
kingston.
I
offer
these
words
in
the
spirit
of
this
gathering.
Let
us
bring
our
good
minds
and
hearts
together
as
one
to
honor
and
celebrate
these
traditional
lands
as
a
gathering
place
of
the
original
peoples
and
their
ancestors
who
were
entrusted
to
care
for
mother
earth
since
time
and
memorial.
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Council
was
meeting
in
committee
the
whole
closed
meeting.
We
discussed
a
few
different
things:
some
ontario
land
tribunal
appeals
and
then
also
potential
parkland,
waterfront
acquisition
and
potential
acquisition,
free
municipal
facilities.
So
with
that,
I
will
ask
for
a
motion
to
rise
without
reporting.
Please.
A
Opposed
and
that's
carried,
okay.
Moving
on
to
the
approval
of
the
addeds,
we
have
an
amendment
to
a
delegation,
an
additional
delegation,
a
motion
of
congratulations
and
some
communications.
Can
I
have
a
mover
in
a
second
after
that,
it's
moved
by
counselor,
neil
seconded
by
deputy
mayor
hill,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
kerry.
A
Okay,
seeing
them?
We
have
no
presentations
this
evening,
so
we
will
move
right
to
our
delegations.
We
have
two
delegations
this
evening.
First,
we
will
invite
david
and
sue
lyon
from
green
burial,
kingston
and
sarah
reed
also,
who
will
appear
before
council
to
speak
to
clause
2
of
report
number
55
from
the
cio,
with
respect
to
natural
green
burials.
A
A
C
I
can
get
started
yes,
green
barrel.
Kingston
is
grateful
for
the
opportunity
to
have
a
delegation
at
the
city
of
kingston
council
meeting.
We
wish
to
thank
the
city
of
kingston
and
city
council
for
the
unanimous
vote
vote,
agreeing
to
investigate
the
potential
for
a
green
burial
site
within
the
city
limits
to
julie,
salter
keene,
for
her
extensive
and
relevant
research
work
on
this
file
and
for
her
support
of
the
project
thus
far
and
to
city
clerk
elizabeth
fawcett
for
her
quick
and
helpful
responses
to
our
questions
regarding
details
of
this
investigation.
C
Okay,
I
will
continue.
We
are
grateful
that
the
last
17
months
of
our
work,
exploring
possibilities
for
a
site
for
a
green
burial.
Cemetery
in
the
city
of
kingston
has
more
fruit.
We,
the
closest
green
burial
cemetery
to
kingston,
is
in
picton,
which
has
is
part
of
an
existing
cemetery
glenwood,
and
it
has
really
seen
a
lot
of
success
in
their
green
barrel
area.
C
C
There
were
many
many
details
in
julie,
salter,
keane's
proposed
bylaw
changes
most
very
welcome.
We
would
just
request
further
discussion
on
some
of
them
and
some
of
them
probably
are
the
responsibility
of
the
pine
grove
cemetery
board
below
we'll
offer.
We
have
some
questions
on
our
on
our
report,
which
I'm
just
reading.
I
know
I
have
just
five
minutes.
I
want
to
see
if
they're
back,
not
yet,
okay,
you're
stuck
with
me,
so
the
two
main
recommendations
one
was
that
we
changed
the
bylaws
to
except
green
braille,
fantastic.
C
C
C
C
C
Segues
to
the
other
question
of
that,
there
would
not
be
winter
burial
and
those
were
some
of
the
questions
we
had
that.
Perhaps
we
could
allow
winter
burials
as
other
green
burial
sites
have,
and
perhaps
we
could
allow
embalming
with
non-formaldehyde
for
those
who
perhaps
died
through
a
just
with
a
disfiguring
accident,
and
their
family
would
like
to
view
them.
C
So
we
wish
to
thank
you.
We
wish
to
be
open
to
any
questions
you
have
and
we
wish
to
really
work
with
the
city
and
this
exciting
prospect
of
pine
grove
cemetery
becoming
a
green
burial
site,
the
first
in
kingston
and
really
in
line
with
her
desire
to
be
the
most
sustainable
city
in
ontario.
Thank
you
so
very
much.
A
F
Thank
you,
mayor,
patterson
and
through
you,
it's
an
exciting
project
and
I'm
wondering
we
had
a
map
of
what
this
could
look
like
if
approved
tonight,
and
the
green
burial
sites
were
intermingled
with
traditional
burial
sites.
If
that's
the
the
right
language
to
use,
I'm
wondering
if
the
group
has
any
perspective
on
that.
F
G
Yes,
we
yeah,
we
have.
We
thought
that
it
would
be
good
to
investigate
moving
into
the
woods,
and
this
would
be
something
for
the
city
to
do.
We
ourselves
did
actually
talk
to
the
owner
of
the
land
to
see
if
they
would
be
willing
and
if
they
were
interested
at
all,
but
that's
not
our
business
to
do
that,
but
they
had
a
positive
response
and
it
would
certainly
allow
for
a
lot
more
sites
and
currently
only
offering
about
34
sites.
A
Okay,
miss
reed.
Mr
mrs
lion.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
with
that.
We'll
move
to
our
our
next
delegation.
We
will
invite
laura
carter
chief
librarian
chief
executive
officer
of
kingston
frontenac,
public
library
and
monica
stewart,
chair
of
the
kingston
frontenac
public
library
board,
who
appeared
before
council
to
speak
to
new
motion
number
two
with
respect
to
the
unstaffed
public
libraries
pilot
project,
ms
carter.
Ms
stewart
welcome
and
you
have
the
floor.
H
H
We
always
appreciate
an
opportunity
to
speak
about
the
library
and
the
important
services
we
provide
in
our
communities,
and
we
should
thank
councillor
neil
and
councillor
holland
for
recognizing
the
contributions
that
the
public
libraries
make
and
for
acknowledging
the
challenges
that
the
library
is
facing
next
slide.
Please,
the
public
libraries
act
is
a
key
piece
of
legislation
governing
ontario's
public
libraries.
H
We
thought
it
was
worth
starting
with
a
few
relevant
sections
of
the
act
as
it
was
raised
when
I
presented
the
library's
budget
to
council
in
november,
and
I
believe
it
impacts
tonight's
motion
as
presented,
the
kingston
frontenac
public
library
is
a
union
library
under
the
public
libraries
act.
It
was
established
in
1998
when
the
councils
of
the
city
of
kingston
and
county
of
frontenac
made
an
agreement
for
the
establishment
of
a
joint
library
system.
H
Section
5
of
the
act,
speaks
to
the
establishment
of
a
union
board
and
the
responsibility
of
that
board
to
manage
and
control
the
library
section.
20
discusses
the
powers
and
duties
of
the
board
and
directs
library
boards
to
provide
a
comprehensive
and
efficient
public
library
service
that
reflects
the
community's
unique
needs.
H
Section
23
discusses
the
rules
that
the
library
board
may
make
next
slide.
Please
section:
24
speaks
to
the
estimates
or
the
budget
that
the
library
board
submits
to
each
of
the
councils,
the
approval
and
administration
of
that
budget.
The
extended
hours
was
included
in
the
library's
2022
capital
budget,
which
was
approved
by
council
next
slide.
Please
switching
topics
a
little
bit
here.
We
thought
it
was
important
to
highlight
the
demands
on
library
service
in
kingston,
frontenac
and
some
of
the
pressures
on
the
library's
budget.
H
The
library
is
currently
working
with
consultants
to
develop
a
new
library
facilities
plan.
This
plan
will
guide
our
built
spaces
and
major
capital
investments
over
the
next
20
years.
As
part
of
this
planning
process,
an
extensive
community
consultation
took
place.
The
report
on
that
consultation
has
been
published
on
the
library's
website.
H
Longer
hours
of
operation
were
listed
as
the
top
service
priority
by
40
of
service
respondents.
Expanded
digital
and
print
collections
were
also
highly
rated
and
requests
for
additional
services.
Technologies
and
programs
continue
to
challenge
the
library
and
our
resources
next
slide,
please.
At
the
same
time,
the
library
is
faced
with
significant
budget
pressures.
Some
of
these
challenges
are
unique
to
us,
and
some,
like
inflation
are
definitely
not.
Digital
collections
are
more
expensive
than
print
items
and
demand
for
these
services
is
growing
while
we're
not
seeing
a
corresponding
drop
in
the
demand
for
print
items.
H
People
are
at
the
heart
of
what
we
do
both
in
terms
of
the
services
we
offer
and
in
our
staffing,
staffing
costs
account
for
74
of
the
overall
library
budget
and
the
library's
collective
agreements
have
expired,
with
bargaining
planned
for
later
this
year.
In
addition
to
increased
expenses,
the
library
is
facing
facing
decreased
revenue,
meeting
room,
rentals,
photocopying
fees,
non-resident
fees
continue
to
be
impacted
by
the
pandemic.
H
H
While
this
slide
speaks
to
some
of
the
practicalities
of
the
extended
hours
project,
I
wanted
to
focus
on
some
of
the
whys
behind
it.
Library
service
has
changed
a
great
deal
over
the
past
few
years,
while
we
still
circulate
a
large
number
of
items
and
offer
many
programs,
we
also
increasingly
serve
as
what
has
been
called
a
third
space
between
work
or
school
and
home
in
a
city
in
a
province
facing
a
housing
crisis.
This
is
more
important
than
ever.
H
We
have
people
living
in
smaller
and
shared
accommodations
people
precariously
housed,
staying
in
shelters
or
on
the
street.
People
rely
on
the
library
to
read,
study,
meet
and
collaborate,
or
just
be
in
a
space
where
they
aren't
alone.
People
in
our
communities
rely
on
our
computers,
our
internet,
printing
photocopying.
H
They
read
our
newspapers
and
magazines,
use
and
borrow
our
books
and
use
our
washrooms
and
access
us
as
warming
and
cooling
centers.
So
going
back
to
that
first
slide
where
I
talked
about
the
responsibility
of
the
library
board
to
offer
a
comprehensive
and
efficient
public
library
service
that
reflects
the
community's
unique
needs.
We
looked
at
the
challenges
and
sought
an
innovative
solution.
H
H
I
H
Thank
you
for
the
question
and
through
you
mayor
patterson,
yes,
that's
correct,
so
we
primarily
in
planning
this
project
have
have
looked
to
the
hamilton
public
library
and
when
I
presented
to
council,
they
had
launched
it
at
two
branches.
They've
now
since
launched
a
third
branch,
and
the
results
of
the
first
branch
in
particular
were
startling
program
attendance.
So
that's
during
staffed
hours
went
up
by
200
and
they
actually
added
extra
staffed
hours
at
that
branch
to
meet
the
demand
for
library,
services.
H
I
Perfect,
thank
you.
Yeah,
it's
no
secret!
The
east
end
would
like
enhance
towers.
I
guess
my
final
question
then,
would
be,
if
not
for
this
pilot
project
being
run,
there's
obviously
not
enough
money
in
the
budget,
as
you
mentioned,
when
what
like
this
would
basically
torpedo
those
those
enhanced
hours
for
quite
some
time.
How
long
would
it
be
until
we
could
see
an
increase
in
hours
there
without
this
pilot
project.
H
Of
course,
when
we
looked
at
our
our
budget
predictions,
we
submit
the
next
three
years
to
council
during
budget
time.
Inflation
wasn't
wasn't
where
it
is
and-
and
so
I
can't,
I
can't
give
you
a
date.
I
can
say
that
with
the
the
direction
of
1.3,
so
the
cost
of
the
the
additional
hours
at
pittsburgh
for
2023
and
that
is
using
actually
2022
salary
rates
as
well.
That's
75
000
to
provide
those
those
extra
hours.
H
I
K
K
H
So
I'll
tackle
the
first
one
and
thank
you
and
through
you
mayor
patterson,
so
the
city
does
own
the
five
buildings
in
in
the
city
of
kingston
in
in
the
townships
it
is.
It
is
the
four
townships
that
that
provide
our
spaces
there
in
terms
of
the
library
budget,
both
capital
and
operating,
are
approved
by
the
library
board,
and
then
we
staff
are
directed
to
to
forward
those
two
to
both
councils,
and
so
the
library,
the
library
budget,
is
approved
by
the
city
of
kingston.
H
Yes,
but
where
the
public
libraries
act
says
is
that
it
is
ultimately
up
to
the
library
board
and
how
those
funds
are
expended.
So
it
would
be
within
generally
within
city
council's
right
to
say
we
will
not.
You
know,
grant
your
budget
ask,
we
will
give
you
x
amount
of
dollars,
but
then
it
goes
back
to
the
library
board
to
determine
how
those
budget
that
budget
spent.
H
Thank
you
for
the
question
and
and
through
you
mayor
patterson,
so
public
libraries
were
were
required
to
shut
down,
as
were
many
other
services
when
the
pandemic
was
sort
of
officially
declared,
so
that
was
march
of
well
it's
a
long
time
ago,
now,
march
of
2020.
So
from
march
of
2020,
until
roughly
the
beginning
of
july
of
that
year,
we
were
required
to
be
totally
close,
so
we
weren't
able
to
offer
curbside
service.
We
were
closed.
H
So
at
that
point
some
staff
were
put
on
declared
emergency
leave
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic.
At
that
point,
we
weren't
sure
how
long
the
pandemic
would
last
obviously
and
and
didn't
feel
like.
We
could
continue
to
expand
funds
when
we
weren't
directly
providing
library
service
to
the
public
after
we
reopened
and
staff
were
brought
back
to
their
roles.
L
Thank
you.
So
maybe,
then,
could
you
also
just
provide
a
bit
of
maybe
a
bit
of
a
comparison
of
the
the
level
of
staffing
or
the
needs,
the
need
of
for
staffed
hours,
pre
pandemic,
and
then
some
of
the
changes
that
you
reference
in
your
presentation
as
far
as
the
service
that
the
library
is
providing
that
goes
beyond
circulation.
So
what
how?
L
If
you
could
just
address
the
fact
that
we're
back
now
to
fully
staffed
libraries
post
pandemic
with
the
kind
of
community
needs
that
have
evolved
throughout
the
pandemic
and
how
what
you,
what
the
budget,
the
ongoing
operating
budget
in
terms
of
staffing,
you
reference
those
pressures,
but
if
you
could
give
us
a
better
sense
of
you
know,
can
ken
fitting
that,
within
what
is
laid
out
in
this
motion?
Is
that
feasible?
H
Thank
you
for
your
question
and
through
you
mayor
patterson,
I
think
it.
It
partly
speaks
to
to
the
answer
I
provided
to
counselor
bone,
but
I
guess
I'll
expand
on
it
a
little
bit
to
say
that
the
library
does
when
I
referenced
how
library
service
has
changed
over
the
last
number
of
years,
so
the
kingston
front
knock
public
library
put
in
rfid
enabled
services
in
2006,
and
that
was
actually
when
I
first
joined
the
library.
H
H
So
what
those
technologies
enabled
us
to
do
was
shift
from
staff
doing
a
lot
of
check-in
and
check-out,
and
at
that
point
our
security
was
magnetizing,
so
constantly
sliding
books
across
a
magnetizer
and
enabling
them
to
do
more
relationship,
building
and
more
meaningful
interactions
with
people.
So
that
is
how
we
have
accomplished
sort
of
growing
our
services
we
offer
far
more
programming
than
we
ever
did
back
then,
particularly
for
teens
and
adults.
H
So
if
we,
if
we
have
to
bring
a
budget
in
that
meets
that
target,
not
only
is
there
sort
of
very
little
room,
no
room
for
expansion
than
than
my
fear
is.
We
will
have
to
start
looking
at
lines
that
we
protect
fearfully
in
terms
of
the
the
collections
line
is
the
second
largest
line
at
11
of
the
of
the
library's
budget.
M
M
J
F
Thank
you,
mayor,
patterson,
and
through
you
to
miss
carter
on
your
second
slide.
You
had
mentioned
hamilton
and
toronto
and
essex
county
as
different
jurisdictions
within
the
province
that
have
undertaken
similar,
if
not
exact,
same
type
of
staff
list
project.
I'm
wondering
based
on
some
of
the
feedback
we've
heard
from
the
community,
around
equity
and
around
safety.
If
any
of
those
three
places
have
experienced
adverse
impact,
in
other
words,
is
it
unsafe,
based
on
reality,
what
we
know
from
other
places
that
have
have
taken
a
similar
approach.
H
F
Thank
you
and
a
second
question
about
the
nature
of
the
pilot
project
and
the
data
that
will
be
collected.
I'm
wondering
if
yourself
miss
carter
or
ms
stewart
could
explain
how
the
library
board
might
use
information.
That's
gathered
in
terms
of
future
access
to
services
beyond
pittsburgh.
So
what
will
come
of
the
information?
Should
this
project
proceed
as
planned.
H
There
is
thought
that
we
could
use
the
technology
to
again
extend
services
there
and
those
are
those
are
communities,
particularly
charlotte
lake,
so
central
and
north
front
neck,
where
internet
access
remains
a
huge
barrier
for
people.
It's
either
not
available,
it's
very
poor
or
it's
very
expensive,
so
in
in
addition
to
looking
at
it
as
a
potential
investment
in
the
county.
H
N
Thank
you,
your
worship
and
thank
you
to
both
for
coming
tonight.
I
find
it's
very
informative
and
helpful
to
have
this
discussion
and
very
timely.
Considering
all
the
communications
we've
received,
my
two
questions
all
both
based
on
input.
I've
received
from
community
members
that
are
very
concerned
about
this.
N
This
proposed
pilot-
and
I
believe
I
I've
reached
consensus
with
some
of
the
people.
I've
spoken
to
directly
that
there
seems
to
be
a
problem
of
perception
of
what
exactly
is
being
proposed
for
the
pilot
and
what
what
the
use
of
unstaffed
hours
means
to
the
library
system
in
general.
So
so,
first
of
all,
would
you
acknowledge
that
there
may
be
some
explaining
to
do
to
address
this
lack
of
understanding
in
the
community
about
this
unstaffed
hours
pilot
and
also
partly
the
same
question
if
you
can
also
answer
miss
carter?
N
What
do
you
say
to
these
concerned
citizens
that
think
that
this
unstaffed
pilot
is
really
the
thin
edge
of
a
wedge
that
will
see,
although
you've
promised
no
reduction
in
staff
hours,
but
they'll
see
that
an
eventual
move
to
at
a
greater
number
of
unstaffed
hours
in
in
all
the
libraries
in
all
the
branches?
What
do
you
say
to
them.
H
Thank
you
and
through
you
mayor
patterson.
So
I'm
actually
quite
grateful
that
you
asked
me
about
the
the
lack
of
information
or
the
misunderstanding
about
the
project.
So
the
library
board,
as
I
assume
the
mayor
and
members
of
council,
have
received
many
emails
over
the
past
24
hours
or
so,
and
so
that's
based
on
a
a
letter
writing
campaign
that
has
been
launched
by
the
the
kingston
district
labor
council
and
the
the
canadian
union
of
public
employees
and
so
part
of
the
library's
communication.
H
It
has
characterized
the
the
library
as
staffless
as
unsafe,
as
exposing
people
to
you
know
who
already
faced
success:
systemic
barriers
to
greater
risk
of
violence,
and
I
challenge
all
of
those
points,
and
I
I
tried
to
address
those
in
a
briefing
that
I
did
provide
to
counsel
and
we've
provided
information
on
our
website.
So
I
think
that
when
we
talked
to
people
we
did
some
community
engagements,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
fall,
and
we
explain
the
measures
in
place,
so
you
have
to
register
for
the
service.
H
So
I
acknowledge
certainly
that
we
have
some
work
to
do
in
making
sure
that
the
public
fully
understands
the
project
and-
and
I
think
it's
unfortunate-
that
there
has
been
a
level
of
misinformation
honestly
circulated
with
respect
to
both
how
it
works
in
terms
of
you
know,
an
implication
that
staff
will
be.
You
know
there
will
be
no
staff
there
or
that
it
will
be
a
sort
of
a
24
7
free
for
all.
H
H
But
what
it
is
doing
is
providing
additional
options
to
use
those
things.
I
mentioned
our
spaces,
our
collections
and
our
technologies
that
are
in
very
high
demand
and
and
more
and
more
as
people's
ways
of
living
shift
to
smaller
locations
shared
locations
where
they
they
don't
have
that
space
at
home.
H
My
hope,
of
course,
is
that
through
this
I
can
come
back
in
a
year
or
two
to
council
and
say
library
use
is
through
the
roof.
This
is
the
case.
We
need
more
staffed
hours.
Here's
the
questions,
we're
getting.
Here's
our
program
attendance,
our
use
at
staff
towers,
is
up
and
and
make
a
very
strong
business
case
for
for
more
money.
I
don't
believe
that
now
is
the
time
that
I
can.
I
can
come
either
where
the
library
is
at
or
where
the
city's
budgets
are
at.
N
Cancer
strep.
Yes,
my
follow-up
question
is
taken
directly
from
one
of
the
communications
I
received
from
a
member
of
the
public.
You
you've
already
addressed
it
partially
in
that
answer.
When
you
were
saying
that
it's
it's
not
the
same
level
of
service
that
staffed
hours
and
unstaffed
hours
are
not
the
same
thing,
but
it's
it's
access
in
the
after
hours
that
the
unstaffed
hours
provide
acknowledging
that
it's
not
the
same
as
the
staffed
hours,
the
same
level
and
service,
and
that's
the
point
of
this
question.
So
I'm
just
going
to
read
it
out.
N
This
is
someone
who
objects
to
the
unstaffed
pilot.
The
most
obvious
argument.
This
is
from
an
allison,
bonham
kingston
resident
the
most
obvious
argument.
If
I
can't
find
what
I'm
looking
for
and
there's
there
are
staff
on
site,
I
can
go
and
ask
someone
for
help.
Access
to
a
real
live
person
is
particularly
helpful
if
there
is
a
language
or
communication
difference.
N
The
ability
for
a
human
to
have
access
to
non-verbal,
cues
and
strategies
such
as
facial
expressions
or
gestures,
to
augment
their
message
can
make
all
the
difference.
The
option
to
ask
questions,
seek
clarification
and
identify
the
needs
of
the
library.
Patron
can
be
accomplished
by
a
human
staff
person
in
ways
that
a
computer
or
app
can't
do
so.
How
would
you
respond
to
that
aspect
of
the
unstaffed
pilot.
H
H
O
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
just
wanted.
I
had
similar
questions
as
counselors
stroud.
So
can
you
just
just
want
to
clarify
the
hours
so
the
regular
hours
just
looking
on
the
computer
right
now?
I
think
most
of
them
are
from
nine
to
eight,
so
those
regular
hours
will
continue
with
the
normal
staff
complement,
correct.
H
Thank
you
for
your
question
and
through
you
mayor,
paterson,
so
the
pittsburgh
branch
hours
right
now
they're
closed
on
monday.
They
are
open,
10
to
8,
tuesday,
wednesday
and
thursday
9
to
5
on
saturday
and
closed
on
sunday.
So
the
what
the
extended
hours
would
allow
us
to
do
would
be
to
open
to
what
you
quoted
would
be
the
the
hours
of
of
the
the
central
library
or
the
isabelle
turner
branch.
They're
open
the
most
hours
calvin
park
is
as
well
so
yeah.
H
O
H
H
O
H
Thank
you
and
through
you
mayor
patterson,
so
we
we
did
some
engagements
again
back
in
the
fall.
We
had
paused
the
implementation
of
this
project,
pending
the
results
of
the
library's
facilities
plan,
as
I
had
mentioned,
we're
expecting.
We
have
a
draft
of
that
now
and
we're
expecting
it
it
to
be
finalized
later
this
summer,
and
also,
quite
frankly,
due
to
the
ongoing
pandemic-
and
you
know,
staffing,
related
and
service
related
challenges
as
a
result
of
that.
H
So
back
in
the
fall,
we
did
three
open
houses,
specifically
at
the
pittsburgh
branch,
to
try
and
again
speaking
to
councillor
stroud's
point
around
the
the
misinformation
that
was
circulating
to
try
and
address
some
of
the
concerns
and
have
conversations
with
people.
So
we
didn't.
We
didn't
speak
to
a
large
number
of
people
at
that
point,
a
little
over
half
of
them
after
we
had
that
conversation
said
yeah.
You
know.
I
think
this
is
actually
a
good
idea
and
is
a
is
a
viable
model.
H
Some
of
them
remained
concerned
or
said
you
know
this
isn't
for
me,
which
you
know
that
that's
fine,
there's
lots
of
services
that
we
offer
that
that
our
arts
of
interest,
everybody,
we're
trying
to
serve
everyone,
but
not
every
single
service-
is,
is
going
to
meet
everyone's
needs.
The
library
board
at
that
point
did
hear
again.
P
Thank
you
before
us
later
tonight.
There's
a
motion:
that's
asking
staff
to
come
up
with
options
for
funding
additional
staffing
costs.
I
heard
you
earlier
say
that
the
pittsburgh
branch
is
an
extra
62
hours
that
they
are
open
with
staff
without
staff
compared
to
regular
libraries
and
say
in
my
area,
I'm
wondering
how
much
would
er
would
the
city
need
to
come
up
with
to
fill
62
hours
of
staffed
library,
time.
H
Thank
you
for
the
question
and
through
you
mayor
patterson,
so
it's
right
now
to
bring
the
library
from
its
current
38
hours
a
week
up
to
60
hours
a
week.
That's
an
extra
75
000
for
for
a
year,
so
we
kind
of
looked
at
it
as
20
23
and
that's
at
the
2022
rates
for
her
staff.
As
I
indicated
that
we
are,
we
are
going
into
collective
bargaining.
So
it's
it's
from
going
from
38
up
to
60.
That
is
the
that's
the
extra
amount.
H
Thank
you
for
your
question.
That's
an
interesting
one!
So,
according
to
the
public
libraries
act,
it
is
up
to
the
library
board,
but
I
would
say
that
if
city
council
and
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
board-
monica
can
can
definitely
weigh
in
here.
But
if
that
was
the
the
intent
and
the
the
spirit
of
the
funding,
then
I
would
think
the
library
board
would
would
respect
that.
But
again
I
would
defer
to
monica
on
that.
J
A
Okay,
ms
carter.
Ms
stewart,
thank
you
very
much
so
with
that
we
will,
we
will
move
on.
We
have
no
other
delegations,
we
have
no
briefings.
Are
there
any
petitions
to
present
okay?
We
do
have
one
motion
of
congratulations:
a
move
by
mayor
patterson
seconded
by
deputy
mayor
hill,
that
the
sincere
congratulations
of
kingston
city
council
be
extended
to
former
mayor
and
member
of
provincial
parliament
john
garrettson,
as
he
celebrates
his
80th
birthday
on
june
9th
2022,
a
lifelong
public
servant.
A
John
was
kingston's,
longest-serving
mayor,
after
which
he
was
elected
to
the
ontario
legislature
in
1995,
to
represent
kingston
in
the
islands
and
was
reelected
in
1999,
2003
and
2007..
Throughout
this
time,
john
served
as
ontario's
environment
minister
minister
of
municipal
affairs
and
housing
minister
of
consumer
services,
ontario's
attorney,
general
and
chair
of
cabinet.
We
wish
you
many
more
years
of
health
and
happiness
ahead.
A
A
A
Okay,
seeing
no
other
separations,
we
will
first
vote
on
everything
except
for
clause
3.,
so
clause
1.
It's
a
word
of
contract
interior,
alterations
of
public
works
clause,
2,
better
homes,
kingston
clause,
4,
approval
of
naming
rights
for
the
outdoor
aqua
park
at
kingston
memorial
center
and
the
gymnasium
and
community
garden
at
kingston
east
community
center
and
clause
5
award
of
contract
confederation
basin
breakwater
geotechnical
investigation,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried
counselor
neal
claus,
3,
transit,
post-secondary
transit,
pass
agreements,
queen's
university,
alma
mater
society
and
student
association
of
st
lawrence
college.
K
Thank
you
very
much,
and
I
want
to
thank
staff
previously.
We've
also
included
both
free
children's
transit,
ridership
and
heists,
and
high
school
students
as
well,
and
the
result
was
that
we
had
the
highest
per
capita
number
of
transit
users,
definitely
in
ontario,
possibly
in
all
of
canada,
and
I'm
just
curious
whether
that
those
programs
for
children
and
high
school
students
will
continue.
Q
Good
evening,
thank
you,
your
worship,
so,
in
addition
to
the
report
we're
presenting
tonight,
you're
asking
about
our
14
and
under
ride
free
program
and
also
our
high
school
program,
so
the
14
and
under
program,
there
is
no
intent
that
that
would
end
that
is
kind
of
ongoing
and
continuous
in
as
it
relates
to
kingston
transit's,
fair
programs
and
policies
and
our
fees
and
charges
by
law.
With
respect
to
the
high
school
program.
That
actually
expires.
Q
If
you
will,
at
the
end
of
this
current
academic
year
and
its
staffs,
intend
to
bring
a
report
to
council
at
some
point
with
a
recommendation
to
likely
continue
that
we
actually
have
a
meeting
with
the
limestone
district
school
board
coming
up
this
week
to
begin
that
discussion
or
continue
that
discussion.
But
we
have
no
desire
to
see
either
those
programs
end
and,
as
you've
noted
counselor,
they
have
been
very
successful
and
have
contributed
directly
to
our
record-breaking
ridership
growth
that
we
experienced
pre-pandemic.
K
N
Thank
you
worship,
mr
decosta.
I
have
a
question
through
your
worship,
so
I
reading
the
report.
It
sounds
like
excellent
news.
It
sounds
because,
conversely,
when
we
heard
that
the
that
the
agreements
with
the
two
student
associations
had
been
terminated
during
the
pandemic,
I
found
that
to
be
terrible
news
for
transit,
and
I
know
it
had
huge
budget
implications
for
you
as
well.
N
On
the
flip
side,
when
you
read
this
report,
it
seems
like
the
reverse,
that
it's
reversing
all
that
bad
news
we're
getting
back
to
something
very
similar
if
not
better
to
what
we
had
pre
pandemic.
So
I
have
two
questions.
First
of
all,
to
compare
directly
apple's
apples
to
the
agreements
pre
and
post.
Could
you
just
go
over
any
minor
or
high
level
differences
between
the
two
agreements?
Just
just
to
do
our
due
diligence
before
we
vote
I'll?
Let
you
answer
that
question
and
then
I'll
have
another
question.
Q
Through
your
worship,
the
counselor,
there
are
two
main
differences
between
the
agreements
being
recommended
this
evening
and
the
previous
agreements.
The
one
is
on
the
financial
component.
So
if
you
look
at
the
financial
considerations
portion
of
the
report,
you'll
note
that
we're
increasing
the
mandatory
fee
for
both
queens
university
and
st
lawrence
college
students
so
for
st
lawrence
college
students.
It's
going
from
ninety
dollars
for
the
fee
up
to
122
dollars
and
the
sorry
I've
got
that
backwards.
Q
Queen
students
are
going
from
90
to
122
and
st
lawrence
college
students
are
going
from
164
to
190
for
the
full
year.
So
that's
one
of
the
main
differences
is
we're
seeing
an
increase
in
the
financial
contribution,
and
I
think
that
reflects
very
much
even
though
we've
had
reduced
service
levels
during
the
covid
period,
a
recognition
by
the
student
and
the
student
associations
of
the
value
of
public
transit
as
part
of
their
experience
in
kingston.
Q
The
second
main
difference
with
these
agreements
is
a
desire
by
both
the
student
associations
and
and
the
city,
to
make
sure
that
if
we
ever
found
ourselves
in
a
situation
like
the
covet
pandemic,
again
that
it's
very
clear
how
the
contractual
arrangements
might
might
dissolve-
and
that
was
one
of
the
things
we
struggled
with
this
time-
is
how
would
that
happen?
And
so
we
had
to
bring
a
separate
report
to
council
to
reconcile
that
this.
This
there
will
now
be
a
clause
that
just
identifies
clearly
in
those
types
of
significant
circumstances.
Q
N
That
was
really
helpful.
I
did
see
those
details
in
the
report,
but
it's
nice
to
hear
that
that's
really
the
two
main
differences
based
on
that
response.
I
would
say
that
it
that
it
is
as
good
as
or
better
than
what
we
had
before.
The
other
question
is
more
detailed
on
and
relates
to
service
levels,
so
they're
in
the
report.
It
talks
about
the
the
revenue
implications
of
having
these
agreements.
N
So
if
we
go
forward
with
this
and
the
and
the
agreements
are
made
and
we
have
the
increased
revenue,
what
does
that
do?
Do
we
are
we
moving
back
to
our
pre-pandemic
service
levels
with
the
with
the
roots
and
the
frequencies
that
we
saw
pre-pandemic
back
in
that
direction,
or
where
do
you
see
that
going.
Q
Q
We
intend
fully
and
are
planning
completely
to
return
to
the
specialized
queens
routes,
particularly
the
route
17
late
night
shuttle,
the
route
18,
which
is
the
service
to
the
train
station
and
the
route
20,
which
is
the
additional
supplemental
service
that
connects
williamsville
through
the
union
street
corridor.
So
those
will
all
absolutely
come
back
in
september
and
we've
made
that
commitment
to
the
queen's
university
student
association.
Q
What
we
are
also
targeting
for,
although
we
may
not
quite
get
there
given
our
current
staffing
levels,
is
a
return
to
also
pre-pandemic
service
levels
on
all
the
remaining
routes,
but
those
will
likely
trail
but
continue
to
ramp
up
through
the
last
four
months
of
this
year.
But
as
it
relates
to
these
are
the
opera,
the
additional
operating
cost
counselor.
Those
were
already
built
into
the
2022
budget,
assuming
we're
going
to
return
to
those
levels
as
soon
as
possible.
Based
on
staffing
levels,.
A
F
Thank
you,
mayor,
patterson
and
through
you
is
miss
salter
keen
here
or
who.
Should
I
ask
this
to
you,
the
salter
king,
perfect
excellent.
Thank
you
for
the
report.
I'm
just
going
to
ask
two
questions
that
I
inquired
of
the
green
burial
group
as
well,
and
one
is
around
the
layout
of
the
plot,
as
it
currently
exists
up
high
growth
and
there's
a
row
of
green
burials
and
then
I
believe,
another
row
of
traditional
burials
and
then
two
rows
of
green
burials.
D
Thank
you
through
mr
mayor
and
for
the
question
with
respect
to
the
schedule
a
to
the
proposed
bylaw
tonight.
It
is
the
schedule
that
was
approved
in
2009
when
the
city
of
kingston
retook
or
took
over
the
cemetery.
It's
been
approved
by
the
burmese
authority
of
ontario,
and
so
those
lots
are
already
licensed
and
approved
by
the
author,
the
regulation
and
so
what
I
did
with
the
looking
at
the
natural,
green
burial,
designation
area
and
keeping
in
mind
the
consideration
of
traditional
plots
as
well.
D
This
was
the
the
best
we
could
do
to
increase
the
number
of
the
natural
green
burials
to
permit
the
33
plots
as
well
as
then.
The
remaining
18
plots
for
traditional
burial
that
one
row
has
a
number
of
plots
that
have
already
been
sold
for
the
traditional.
So
that's
why
I
tried
to
keep
that
together.
F
Yeah
supplemental
to
that,
thank
you
that
helps
make
sense
of
it
historically,
and
you
know
future
use.
That's
already
committed
to
you,
I'm
wondering
if
the
potential
for
expansion
in
recommendation
two
could
consider
an
area
concentrated
only
for
green
burials.
That
is
that
how
that
would
be
red
if
we
were
to
move
forward
with
it,
it
would
just
be
for
green
burial
or
would
traditional
use
be
intermingled
in
that
space
as
well.
D
F
F
D
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
mayor,
that
is
specifically
with
respect
to.
If
the
green
barrel
cannot
take
place
in
the
winter,
it
doesn't
say
they
will
not
take
place
it's
like.
If
they
must,
if
they
they
can't
do
a
burial,
they
would
have
to
be
delayed
until
spring,
and
that's
when
that
would
take
place.
Okay,.
A
A
N
It's
just
a
question
to
staff
that
there's
often
a
condition
on
these
heritage
permits
recommended
by
staff
that
a
tree
permit
shall
be
obtained
as
necessary.
I've
noticed
it
on
before,
and
I
notice
it
on
this
file.
So
if
staff
could
just
answer,
is
that
put
in
whether
there's
tree
removals
required
or
not,
or
is
it
only
put
in
when
there's
tree
removals
required
as
per
the
plans.
R
Thank
you
and
through
you,
I
believe
in
this
case,
the
requirement
for
the
tree.
Permit
is
simply
just
to
make
sure
it's
not
that
the
tree
is
actually
going
to
be
removed,
but
it's
to
be
able
to
put
protective
clauses
in
place
and
to
see
a
tree
preservation
plan
established
properly
prior
to
any
work
on
on
the
the
property
itself.
Just
as
a
protective
measure.
N
A
B
A
Are
two
clauses
2022
committee
work
plan
number
two
housing
and
homelessness
advisory
committee,
2021
report
card,
all
those
in
favor
proposed
and
that's
carried.
We
have
nothing
from
many
of
the
whole
information
reports.
If
you
have
any
questions,
just
raise
your
hand
as
I
read
through
them
number
one
2021
annual
grant
summary
counselor
sanik.
S
Thank
you,
your
worship
through
you,
I
just
have
a
question
to
staff
and,
first
of
all,
congratulations
on
being
awarded,
so
many
millions
in
grant
money
it's.
This
is
a
really
good
report.
To
see.
I
see
that
the
richardson
beach
house,
we
were
successful
in
one
of
the
grants,
but
then
another
grant.
We
got
declined
and
I
just
wondered
on
for
the
grant
money
that
we
were
declined.
What
difference
will
it
make
then,
with
the
work
that's
being
planned
for
the
richardson
beach
house
this
year.
T
Thank
you,
your
worship
through
you
to
the
counselor
many
of
the
grants
that
we
we
seek
are
to
to
defer
the
use
of
corporate
capital
funds,
so
the
money
we
receive
in
that
particular
case
after
your
project
will
allow
us
to
to
focus
and
ensure
that
any
budget
overruns
or
any
sort
of
activities
that
have
driven
up
the
cost.
Much
of
the
cost
of
capital
projects
have
increased
over
the
during
the
pandemic.
Just
make
sure
that
we
we
are
able
to
complete
that
and
complete
that
on
budget.
A
Here
we
have
no
information
reports
from
members
of
council
miscellaneous
business.
We
have
one
motion
moved
by
councillor
neal
seconded
by
councillor
hutchinson,
that
is
requested
by
katherine
winkler:
number
1792
project
team
council
proclaimed
january
1
to
december
31st
2022,
as
the
230th
anniversary
of
the
year
of
black
loyalist
exodus,
15
ships
to
sierra
leone
in
kingston,
we'll
call
the
vote
all
those
in
favor
opposed
and
that's
carried.
A
That
staff
be
directed
to
prepare
an
information
report
to
council
by
the
end
of
q3
2022
summarizing
the
calculation
applied,
including
the
factors
and
values
compromising
the
calculation
for
all
developments,
for
which
section
37
benefits
were
collected
by
the
city
between
2018
to
2022
and
the
staff
be
directed
to
include
a
summary
of
the
calculation
applied,
including
the
factors
and
values
compromising
the
calculation
in
the
comprehensive
report
for
all
future
developments,
for
which
community
benefits
will
be
collected.
Pursuant
to
section
37
of
the
planning
act,
councilor
hutchison,
you
have
the
floor.
E
The,
but
we've
never
seen
it
planning
what
how
that
calculation
is
done.
We've
been
told
roughly
how
it
worked,
but
we've
never
seen
the
actual
calculations
so
that
we
could
evaluate
them
and
the
public
could
evaluate
them.
So
this
motion
asks
council
to
direct
that
an
information
report
come
back
to
council
by
q32
2022,
indicating
how
the
calculation
is
done
or
what
has
been
done
in
six
cases
between
2018
and
2022
and
all
the
factors
and
value
values
that
are
involved
in
that
calculation.
E
A
Whereas
a
pilot
project
for
unstaffed
libraries
in
kflna
was
introduced
to
expand
library
service
at
several
branches,
whereas
members
of
the
public
value
the
services
of
library
workers
and
have
expressed
their
desire
to
have
fully
staffed
public
libraries
and
whereas,
as
part
of
the
strategic
planning
process,
council
approved
an
overall
tax
increase
of
1.3
percent
for
2023
plus
1
percent
for
capital.
Investment
purposes
therefore
be
resolved.
A
That
king
city
council
express
its
opposition
to
the
unstaffed
pilot
project
and
instead
ensure
that
any
expansion
of
hours
at
public
libraries
within
the
city
of
kingston
include
the
use
of
qualified
library
staff
and
that
options
for
funding.
Any
additional
staffing
costs
be
considered
in
order
to
present
an
operating
budget
that
continues
to
align
with
council's
targeted
tax
rate
increase.
A
F
May
or
through
you,
I
think
that
this
motion
is
our
order
for
two
reasons.
One
is
that
it
talks
about
an
insurance
that
the
library
board
does
a
certain
thing,
and
that
is
not
within
council's
jurisdiction,
and
second
is.
I
think
it
might
be
a
motion
of
reconsideration,
because
it's
talking
about
monies
that
we've
already
approved
at
council
under
a
year
ago.
So
on
two
grounds.
I
think
the
motion
is
out
of
order.
A
So,
therefore,
we
resolve
the
king's
city
council
express
its
opposition
to
the
unstaffed
pilot
project.
I
see
no
reason
why
that
has
to
be
ruled
out
of
order.
It's
council's
fooling
its
rights
to
express
an
opinion
on
whether
or
not
the
unstaffed
pilot
project
should
continue,
but
I
do
agree
that
it
is
not
in
council's
jurisdiction
to
ensure
how
that
money
is
spent,
and
I
think
that
the
point
of
reconsideration
is
felt
so
what
I
would
propose
is,
rather
than
ruling
the
entire
motion
out
of
order.
A
L
A
L
Thank
you,
mayor,
patterson,
the
so
I'll.
I
guess
I'll
just
start
with
the
motivation
for
this
or
the
the
rationale.
There
was
considerable
public
interest
in
the
issue
of
the
unstaffed
library
project
back
during
the
budget
deliberation
process.
Fortunately,
we
don't
have
the
opportunity
during
that
time,
to
have
any
conversations
for
all
the
reasons
mentioned
due
to
the
public
libraries
act
being
what
we
have
to
adhere
to
and
we
can't
advise
on
operations.
L
We
heard
tonight
that
75
of
the
library
budget
goes
to
staffing
costs
so,
and
we've
also
heard
I'll.
I
will
reference
it.
I
know
it's
out
of
order
that
the
the
ongoing
city
budget
restraints
mean
that
the
library
board
cannot
continue
to
invest
in
staff
to
the
extent
that
they
would
like
to.
So,
there
is
a
bit
of
a
challenge
that
only
we
as
a
city
can
address.
L
Somehow,
clearly,
not
tonight
somehow,
by
addressing
that
budget
and
if
inflation
is,
is
going
to
be
what
it
is
going
to
be,
and
we
want
to
continue
to
have
well-staffed
libraries
and
we
want
and
we
and
we
recognize
the
work
that
library
workers
do,
that.
It's
not
that
there
is
a
place
for
technology,
but
there
is
also
really.
There
are
many
many
important
rules
for
individuals
working
in
our
libraries.
If
we
want
to
recognize
all
that,
we
have
some
important
decisions
to
make
about
the
financial
realities
of
supporting
the
library
in
the
future.
L
So
I
guess
you
know
it
would
be.
I
think
it's
an
important
statement,
therefore,
for
council
to
make
to
say
that
we
we
who
maybe
are
not
involved
with
the
operating
budget
of
the
libraries.
We
are
nevertheless
accountable
and
we
hear
lots
from
members
of
the
public
not
just
in
the
last
24
hours,
but
over
a
number
of
months
on
this
issue
and
and
people
value
having
libraries
that
are
fully
staffed,
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
do
send
a
message
on
that.
So
I
hope
that
members
of
council
will
support
this.
I
Thank
your
worship
and
through
you,
as
the
representative
of
the
pittsburgh
district
for
a
little
over
seven
years
now,
coming
up
to
the
eighth
one.
One
of
the
things
that
I've
heard
loud
and
clear
is
we
need
a
new
bridge.
Well,
that's
happening,
that's
great!
So
one
of
the
other
messages
I've
heard
this
entire
time
is
how
come
our
library
hours
are
so
random.
How
come
they're
all
over
the
place
I
went
to
study.
I
went
to
access
a
computer,
I
couldn't
get
it.
I
need
access
to
that.
I
I
have
a
school
project
too,
and
the
more
and
more
I
looked
into
it,
there
were
nights.
Even
I
went
there
to
find
a
place
to
study
and
it's
closed.
It's
not
open,
so
one
solution
I
could
propose
right
now
is:
if
everybody
else
in
the
city
would
just
lend
me
some
of
their
library
hours
and
reduce
their
own
operating
hours,
so
that
the
pittsburgh
district
could
be
on
par
with
the
rest
of
the
city.
That'd
be
great,
so
that
is
one
way
around
the
budget
implications
of
this.
I
The
other
thing
to
consider
is
the
75
000
we're
talking
about
is
now
going
to
have
about
a
6.1
percent
inflationary
tax
added
on
to
that
that's
going
to
be
year
after
year
after
year.
I
do
understand
the
concerns
which
have
been
allayed
by
the
chief
librarian,
that
the
whole
intent
here
is
not
actually
to
reduce
access
to
libraries.
It's
to
do
the
exact
opposite
is
to
increase
it's
to
find
a
progressive
way
forward,
using
technology
there's
still
going
to
be
staff
there.
I
A
lot
of
the
pilot
studies
have
said
this
has
actually
increased
the
use
of
libraries.
Is
that
not
what
we
seek?
Or
do
we
just
want
empty
buildings
there
that
nobody
accesses
anymore
because
they're
closed
most
of
the
time
I
have
a
historic
library
in
the
pittsburgh
district.
That
is
a
true
gem
in
this.
In
this
whole
city,
and
unfortunately,
it's
closed
far
off
far
more
often
than
people
would
like.
This
has
been
a
challenge.
We've
already
heard
the
money's,
not
there,
there's
no
quick
fix
no
silver
bullet.
I
do
understand
some
of
the
concerns.
I
I
think
they
come
from
a
place
of
fear
rather
than
a
place
of
progress.
We
have
technology,
it's
not
going
away
if
anything,
it's
going
to
get
more
and
more
interactive
and
part
of
this
technology
is
also
how
we
need
to
adapt
to
the
world
going
forward.
The
whole
intent
of
this
again
is
to
increase
access
to
all
those
resources
that
we
as
a
city
pay
for,
on
the
other
hand,
we're
stewards
of
all
the
residents
of
kingston,
not
not
just
those
concerned
about
libraries-
I
I
will
mention
I.
I
I
I
appreciate
that
one
of
the
main
things
I
took
track
of,
though,
was
the
fact
that
only
about
three
or
four
of
those
were
actually
residents
of
the
pittsburgh
district
of
all
the
letters
we
got
so
being
bombarded
with
that
much
and
recognizing
that
the
people
that
are
going
to
be
affected
by
this,
the
most
were
very,
very
quiet
and
not
truly
represented
in
that
mass
number
of
emails
is
telling
to
me,
because
what
I've
been
hearing
is
the
exact
opposite.
Why
is
our
library
not
open?
Why
do
we
have
that
building?
I
I
Most
of
these
concerns
are
simply
come
from
a
place
of
fear
and
I
can
understand
them,
which
is
why
what
I
tried
to
do
was
connect
the
people
who
had
the
fears
with
the
people
who
had
the
intention
and
the
information
to
basically
disseminate
the
right
information
to
try
to
counter
those
fears.
Unfortunately,
fear
sometimes
leads
to
inability
to
accept
what
the
intent
of
the
project
is.
I
hope
that,
in
the
end,
this
pilot
project
is
successful.
I
I
hope
it
leads
to
an
enhancement
of
all
of
our
library
services
across
the
city
and
the
potential
for
even
more
extended
hours
at
those
other
branches
which
we
can
only
do
if
we
go
through
with
this
pilot
project,
so
to
simply
try
to
stop
something
before
it's
even
had
a
chance
to
be
tried.
Does
not
a
progressive
city
make
this?
I
This
is
an
opportunity,
we're
going
to
have
more
and
more
challenges
like
this
coming
forward,
to
try
to
get
more
out
from
less
and-
and
this
is
where
we're
going
to
have
to
embrace
technology,
to
kind
of
come
up
with
these
creative
solutions
and
and
stopping
a
pilot
project
before
it's
even
had
a
chance
to
begin
is,
is
not
is
not
a
good
way
to
look
towards
the
future.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you
very
much.
A
couple
of
things
I,
as
I
mentioned
before,
have
been
on
the
library
board
more
years
than
I've
been
a
counselor,
so
I've
been
very
active
over
three
decades
on
the
library
board
and
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
within
the
city
of
kingston,
we
don't
have
with
perhaps
the
exception
of
pittsburgh,
where
we
have
district
libraries,
we
have
the
main
branch
which
operates
for
the
total
city.
K
K
The
library
act
is
a
really
interesting
thing
and
I
I've
always
supported
it.
It
basically
says
councils
determine
the
budget
period
and
all
other
decisions
operationally
are
made
up
by
are
done
by
the
library
board,
and
I've
always
applauded
that.
Otherwise
we
have
what
happens
in
some
areas
where
there
are
pothole
politicians
trying
to
tell
a
librarian
what
books
to
put
on
the
shelf
and
what
books
not
to
put
on
the
shelf.
K
And-
and
so
I
appreciate
the
library
act,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
municipality
should
ignore
the
expressed
concerns
of
of
our
citizens,
and
it
doesn't
mean
that
the
library
board
should
ignore
those,
and
we
have
now
approaching.
I
just
checked
on
my
phone
again
we're
approaching
300
letters
of
concern.
K
K
U
Through
your
worship,
the
city
is
the
owner
of
the
properties
where
the
libraries
are
located
under
the
occupiers
liability
act.
We
do
have
a
duty
to
ensure
that
individuals
that
come
onto
our
properties
are
reasonably
safe.
So
there
is
a
potential
for
liability
if
proper
measures
aren't
taken.
It's
my
understanding
and
I
stand
to
be
corrected,
but
I
believe
that
the
library
board
is
covered
under
the
city's
liability
insurance
policies
anyway,
so
it
would
be
the
city's
insurance
that
would
respond
to
any
potential
claims.
K
M
Thank
you,
your
worship
there.
There
certainly
were
a
lot
of
letters
and
I
agree
with
councillor
bowm.
There
were
not
very
many
letters
from
residents
of
pittsburgh
district
and
I
think
that's
a
particular
issue,
because
this
was
a
union
generated
letter
campaign
which
is
completely
legitimate
but
is
intended
to
address
a
different
issue
than
library
support.
M
So
I
wrote
back
to
when
I
asked
him
if
you
were
to
develop
or
come
into
possession
of
a
treatment
or
way
of
treating
more
patients
through
the
use
of
technology.
That
did
not
depend
on
additional
staff.
Would
you
forego
that
and
then?
Secondly,
if
you
were
to
identify
such
technology-
and
so
you
put
it
through
a
trial
to
ensure
it
could
be
used
successfully
and
that
the
problems
you
were
originally
concerned
about,
did
not
come
to
pass,
would
you
still
decline
to
use
that
technology?
M
I
mean
to
me,
that's
a
pretty
easy
question
to
answer,
and
I
mean
it's
something
that
we're
doing
all
the
time
and
we're
not
doing
it
at
the
expense
of
staff.
You
know,
as
the
chief
librarian
indicated,
you
know
we're
hoping
to
develop
more
use
more
users
and
over
time
enhance
the
staffing
in
the
library,
but
it's
in
combination
with
technology.
M
This
is
an
informed
council,
always
has
been
in
the
four
years
that
I've
been
on
council.
I
think
very
genuinely
people
have
searched
for
the
for
the
answers
to
the
to
to
their
questions
through
research.
You
know.
I've
never
heard
us
before
suggest
that
we
shouldn't
do
a
trial
to
find
out.
If
something
works
I
mean
clearly,
if
we
do
the
trial
and
there's
problems,
those
problems
will
come
back
to
us
and
we'll
be
able
to
make
a
more
reasoned
decision,
but
that
time
isn't.
Yet.
M
Let's
do
the
trial,
let's
undertake
the
the
exercise
to
find
out
if
it
expands
library
usage
and
if,
in
fact,
we
do
need
to
add
additional
staff
at
the
end
of
the
day,
then
that's
something
we
can
consider
at
that
time
and
I
suspect,
if
we
were
adding
staff,
then
counselor
neil
would
be
more
inclined
to
support
the
budget.
So
you
know,
I
think
it's
it's
very
premature
to
for
us
to
say
at
this
point
that
we
are
opposed
to
this.
M
I
hope
that
I
I
I'm
glad
to
see
that
you
know
a
significant
portion
of
this
motion's
been
removed
because
we
really
were
interfering
in
collective
bargaining
and
that's
not
the
role
of
counsel.
In
my
estimation,
so
I
can't
see
supporting
this
motion
in
its
current
form.
I
do
think
we
should
undertake
the
trial
and
then
and
then
make
a
judge,
an
informed
judgment
down
the
road.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you,
mayor,
patterson
and
through
you.
I
don't
want
to
repeat
too
much
of
what's
already
been
said
because
a
lot
of
it
I
agree
with,
but
I
thought
I
could
quickly
provide
an
insight,
as
the
council
rep
on
the
library
board
being
there
for
the
last
four
years,
and
I
wanted
to
start
by
reassuring
council
and
members
of
the
public,
especially
those
who
have
taken
an
active
interest
in
the
file
that
the
library
board
has
dealt
with
this
on
a
number
of
occasions.
F
At
a
bit
of
a
deeper
level,
we
were
in
the
weeds
a
bit
more
as
we
like
to
say
on
the
policy
front
of
what
this
would
mean
for
the
system
and
the
chief
librarian,
who
is
with
us
here
tonight,
addressed
that.
But
I
want
to
underscore
three
points,
particularly
the
first
is
we
look
to
other
jurisdictions
that
have
done
something
very
similar,
if
not
identical,
hamilton
being
the
best
comparator,
because,
like
our
jurisdiction
here,
they
balance
an
urban
contingent
with
a
rural
contingent
right
we're
not
just
the
kingston
library.
F
But
the
hamilton
program
is
indicative
of
what
we're
looking
at
and
they've
seen
no
security
problems
and,
in
fact,
in
order
to
enact
this
program,
we
will
actually
have
to
have
additional
security
that
we
don't
already
have,
which
is
a
very
good
thing
for
the
health
of
the
system,
regardless
of
the
program.
So
there
is
a
kind
of
a
ripple
benefit
in
terms
of
security
and
again
noting
very
clearly
that
security
has
not
been
an
issue
or
safety
within
an
unstaffed
library
has
not
been
an
issue
for
hamilton.
F
So
I
hope
we
give
her
the
benefit
of
the
doubt,
and
I
think
the
union
would
even
agree
that
in
the
past
the
introduction
of
automated
kiosks,
for
example,
hasn't
led
to
reduction
in
staff
hours.
So
I
think
that
we
can.
We
can
put
that
to
rest
too
and
then.
Finally,
I
want
to
mention
in
terms
of
equity,
because
that
was
a
piece
mentioned
in
the
letters
that
we've
received
and,
in
fact,
in
my
estimation,
and
again
explored
with
my
colleagues
on
the
library
board
for
hours
in
discussion
over
a
few
months.
F
It
could
be
argued
actually
the
opposite
of
what
we've
heard,
that
equity
is
increased
by
having
greater
hours.
Counselor
boehm.
You've
even
mentioned
your
residents,
of
course,
but
for
individuals
who
are
precariously
host
or
are
facing
homelessness.
The
library
has
gone
out
of
their
way
to
ensure
that
they
would
have
access
to
cards,
so
they
could
come
into
the
space
at
times
when
they
wouldn't
otherwise
be
able
to.
F
N
My
back
is
sore,
so
I'm
going
to
stand
up.
Can
you
guys
hear
me?
Okay,
yeah,
you
know
what
there's
more
consensus
amongst
us
on
in
the
horseshoe
than
it
would
seem
from
reading
the
letters
and
what
the
letters
focus
on
and
and
I
and
we
did
hear
the
chair-
the
library
award
talk
about
what
she
called
misinformation.
N
N
It's
unthinkable
that
the
central
branch
which
is
very
heavily
used,
might
have
you
know
extended
hours
in
the
evening
where
there's
nobody
there,
because
of
precisely
the
amount
of
traffic
that
it
sees
the
amount
of
use
that
it
sees.
I
mean
you
might
have
you
know,
12
patrons
in
the
in
the
place
at
10
p.m,
whether
they
be
students
studying
or
or
what
have
you
and
to
not
have
a
single
staff
member
in
the
building.
N
If
there's
an
issue
is,
you
know,
seems
counterintuitive,
so
I
think
we
have
to
acknowledge
a
very
basic
fact
about
this,
and
that
has
to
do
with
the
different
branches,
the
rural
branches
and,
let's
not
forget
pittsburgh.
Township-
was
once
really
a
rural
branch
when
it
was
established
and
they
have
different
service
levels.
They
have
different
approaches.
N
They're
looking
to
technology
to
fill
the
gap,
I
think
it's
a
legitimate
thing
to
examine,
but
you
know
95
of
the
letters
we
receive
were
from
urban
library
users,
not
necessarily
union
backers,
but
urban
library
users,
and
they
can't
imagine
a
library
without
staff,
and
I
agree
my
library
at
central
branch
just
down
the
street
from
my
place.
We
use
all
the
time
we
can't
imagine
not
having
staff
there.
If
those
are
the
people
writing
in
to
me,
I
agree
with
them
100,
and
how
do
I
show
my
agreement?
N
I
I
show
that
agreement
by
supporting
the
motion.
The
motion
is
a
statement
to
the
library
board
that
we
do
don't
agree
with
the
direction
that
they're
taking
if
it
goes
any
further
that
doesn't
prevent
the
pilot
from
happening
because,
as
we
all
know,
we've
covered
that
many
times
tonight.
We
don't
interfere
with
the
operational
decisions.
N
I
think
this
is
definitely
one
of
those
services
that
we're
going
to
have
to
do
some
creative
thinking
of
whether
we
can
find
that
75
000
that
councilman
mclaren
mentioned
to
to
get
those
staffed
towers,
because
that
isn't
that
going
in
a
different
direction
than
the
pilot,
because
with
that
money
they
don't
need
to
do
the
unstaffed
hours
and
then
councillor
boehm
has
his
wish.
He
has
the
extended
hours
that
are
staffed
and
all
the
300
people
that
written
to
us
have
have
their
wish
by
not
having
unstaffed
hours.
A
N
V
A
A
I
absolutely
identify
with
counselor
boehm's
concern
because
he
has
heard
not
just
in
the
last
few
days
but
over
the
last
few
years
about
the
number
of
constituents
that
really
do
want
that
increased
service,
and
this
is
a
way
to
be
able
to
provide
that
service.
So
we
try
it
out.
Deputy
mayor
hill
suggested
this.
Let's
see
what
comes
back,
we
can
learn
from
it
and
see
what
the
next
steps
would
be.
A
So
I
disagree
with
what
counselor
stroud
said
that
somehow
that
supporting
this
motion
doesn't
make
a
difference
about
whether
or
not
the
pilot
project
goes
ahead.
In
fact,
this
is
an
important
statement
for
this
council
to
say
whether
or
not
we
want
our
partner
agencies
to
be
able
to
think
creatively
and
be
open-minded
and
look
at
strategies,
because
the
fiscal
pressures
we're
facing.
I
actually
think
it's
critical
that
this
council
send
a
statement
that
says
that
we
do
want
them
to
think
ahead.
A
The
library
board
has
done
their
homework
here.
This
is
not
a
half-baked
idea.
We've
heard
it
directly
from
our
council
representative
on
the
library
board,
but
the
amount
of
work
that
has
happened
until
this
point.
So
I
think
that
this
is
important
to
show
a
vote
of
confidence
in
our
citizen
appointed
library
board
and
it's
an
important
to
show
confidence
and
the
importance
of
looking
at
innovative,
creative
ideas
to
deal
with
the
fiscal
challenges
that
are
ahead
of
us,
so
that
we
can
actually
expand
service
and
not
actually
have
to
cut
it.
A
O
O
So
in
this
case
a
vote
for
this
motion
means
that
the
pilot
project
wouldn't
go
ahead,
and
I
do
agree
with
the
mayor
when
he
said
that
we
do
need
to
be
a
little
bit
creative
and
with
any
pilot
project.
It
will
come
back
to
council
and
we
will
learn
from
it
and
then
we
can
have
a
greater
richer
discussion
from
everything
that
we
learn.
W
Yes,
you
your
worship.
I
just
like
to
make
one
observation
from
a
comment:
councillor
neal
had
made
that
that
this
is
a
regional
or
a
library
and
there's
nobody.
No
other
library
in
the
city,
that'd
be
deemed
regional
and
I'd
like
to
point
out
that
come
the
opening
of
the
third
crossing
that
counselor
hutchinson,
the
counselor
married
holland's
district
would
actually
be
probably
closer
to
that
branch
than
the
one
downtown.
A
E
X
Thank
you
for
your
worship.
So
yes,
we
work
very
closely
with
the
agency,
so
we
do
a
communication
fairly
early
on
in
the
budget
process
that
just
reminds
them
of
council's
targets.
All
of
their
fiscal
targets.
Around
capital
tax
increases
our
debt
limits,
and
so
we
we
bring
that
to
them
and
request
that
they
consider
those
as
they're
pulling
together
the
estimates,
and
then
we
work
very
closely
with
them
in
terms
of
what
those
budgets
are
looking
like
and,
for
example,
we
do
know.
V
E
E
The
thing
here
is
that
the
the
concern,
the
other
commentary,
one
other
comment
I
had
is
that
the
concern
by
the
public
about
services
and
library,
workers
about
about
technology
replacing
jobs
is
historically
legitimate.
I
mean
this
has
been
going
on
since,
before
the
luddites
and
despite
the
methodol
mythology,
the
luddites
were
not
anti-technology.
E
They
were
anti-non-control
of
their
work,
that's
an
entirely
different
issue
and
which
continued
on
to
this
day
with
different
sets
of
workers.
So
you
can't
be
surprised
at
that
that
the
labor
council
has
supported
this
so
anyway.
I
just
want
to
give
that
as
context.
But
my
main
point
is
this:
this
is
a
pilot.
I
understand
why
council
bone
is
supporting
it
strongly
and.
E
And
so
given
that
this
is
a
pilot.
I
agree
with
the
speakers.
That
said,
we
should
find
out
how
that's
going
to
work
and
we're
going
to
be
able
to
see
whether
that
results
in
because
it
will
be
a
terrific
fight.
If
it
seems
that
technology
is
replacing
worker
jobs
and
because
people
see
that,
as
council
straw
point
out
as
a
loss
of
service.
E
A
S
I
know
that
we
just
heard
that
hamilton
has
had
no
safety
issues
but
me
personally,
like
being
there
after
hours
being
unmanned,
you
know
like
no
one
unstaffed,
no
one
there.
I
just
want
to
give
me
a
good
feeling
or
for
my
daughter
to
be
there.
You
know
during
the
closing
hours,
where
no
one
is
there
and
you
know
look
what
just
happened
in
the
united
states
and
I
just
wouldn't
have
a
good
feeling
for
safety,
and
you
know,
I
hope
nothing
happens
with
the
pilot
project.
S
You
know,
but
it's
all
fun
and
games
until
someone
loses
an
eye
that
oh
the
dash.
I
just
don't
feel
good,
and
I
know
that
there's
what
there's
the
video
cameras,
the
video
phones
and
the
panic
buttons,
but
that's
only
if
you're
right
there
when
an
incident
happens,
it
can
happen
in
a
flash.
It
can
happen
in
a
minute
or
two,
and
will
you
have
enough
time
to
go
there?
S
Whereas
if
someone
was
actually
there,
if
it
was
staff,
you
can
shout,
and
someone
will
hear
you
and
you
know
they
can
dial
9-1-1
right
away
or
try
to
come
to
your
assistance,
I'm
just
really
leery
from
a
safety
perspective.
For
me,
I'm
voting
against
the
pilots
in
order
to
express
concerns
against
the
pilot
just
from
a
safety
perspective
in
these
times
today.
Thank
you.
L
L
First,
just
to
note
that
you
know
a
few
people
have
talked
about
this
as
a
pilot
and
so
getting
the
information
is
the
best
way
forward,
because
then
we
we
will
have
the
information.
We
will
not
be
the
ones
making
the
decision
about
whether
to
implement
something
beyond
a
pilot,
as
has
been
discussed,
we
do.
We
do
not
have
the
say
over
operations.
So
now
is
the
time
to
have
that
input
and
then,
in
terms
of
who
wrote
to
us
or
who
gets
to
have
a
say
on
this
issue,
I
mean
I
would
argue
it's.
L
L
So
I
think
the
point
that
I
want
to
stay
focused
on
is
that
this?
What
we're?
What
would
be
there
to
there's
a
problem
to
be
resolved
in
the
future,
hopefully,
regarding
the
high
level
of
funding
that
would
be
required
to
have
staff
libraries
in
the
future,
at
the
rate
of
staffing
that
the
library
board
would
like
to
see
and
which
is
based
on
input
from
the
public
and
that's
that's
a
question
that
council
has
to
deal
with
down
the
road.
L
Of
course,
my
next
budget
sounds
like
the
best
opportunity,
but
right,
but
thinking
about
the
direction
now
is
important,
as
councilor
hutchinson
mentioned,
because
this
really
is
a
question
of.
Will
we
go
down
the
path
of
having
public
money
go
to
private
technology
companies?
Or
will
we
have
that
money
go
to
staff?
L
L
So
this
is
a
moment
for
us
to
reflect
on
that
without
a
guarantee
of
more
money
to
to
ensure
the
levels
of
staff
in
the
future,
which
we
are
very
far
away
from,
we
will
be
moving
in
the
direction
of
privatization
of
library,
service,
the
financial
pressures
and
the
need
to
be
creative.
All
of
that,
I,
you
know
again
council's
decision
in
that
climate.
L
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
we
will
call
the
vote
on
new
motion
number
two
and
just
to
make
sure
everyone
is
clear
on
the
vote,
because
the
motion
says
that
council
does
not
support
the
pilot
project,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everyone's
clear
and
what
a
yes
and
no
voting,
so
we
will
call
the
vote
all
those
in
favor.