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Pine Grove Cemetery Board from January 26, 2022. For the full meeting agenda, please visit https://bit.ly/3H7Qi8a.
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B
So,
since
it
is
three
o'clock
and
we
do
have
the
full
committee,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
get
started
so
welcome
everyone,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us
this
afternoon.
Just
before
we
jump
into
the
agenda
for
just
for
the
record
as
not
everyone
is
on
screen.
Those
who
are
joining
us
this
afternoon
in
the
meeting
are
councillor
usterhoff
chris
kenney
and
barbara
kenny,
who
are
all
committee
members.
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We
also
have
joining
us
from
staff,
julie,
salter,
keane
who's,
the
manager
of
climate
leadership.
We
also
have
julia
jasmine,
who
is
our
meeting
host,
and
I
am,
of
course,
elizabeth
fawcett,
the
committee
clerk
for
this
committee.
We
also
have
joining
us
david
and
sue
lyon,
who
will
be
presenting
a
delegation
for
the
committee
this
afternoon
so
with
that
I'll
jump
into
the
election
of
officers.
As
this
is
the
first
meeting
for
this
committee
for
the
year
of
2022,
we
do
need
to
appoint
both
a
chair
and
a
vice
chair.
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B
B
B
B
B
B
B
A
A
B
A
Thank
you,
madam
clerk.
We
appreciate
your
work
and
good
afternoon
to
everybody.
It's
really
good
to
be
together.
This
is
the
one
committee
since
2017
that
has
not
reconvened,
and
I
think
I
heard
that
the
last
meeting,
or
we
know,
was
2016..
So
here
we
are,
and
it's
good
to
be
together
and
to
just
to
catch
up
on
things
and
do
do
the
things
that
we
need
to
be
doing
so
good
afternoon
to
everybody.
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A
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A
A
E
So
I
think,
ahead
of
time.
Hopefully
everybody
did
receive
the
powerpoint,
but
we're
it's
on
the
screen
now
and
we're
going
to
just
speak
to
it.
Okay,
so,
first
of
all,
you
might
be
wondering
what
is
green
burial
well.
Green
burial
has
five
different
tenets,
and
so
it's
different
from
other
burials.
E
F
F
We
believe
that
it
could
also
be
a
leader
in
the
development
of
green
burial
cemeteries,
both
hybrid
ones
like
the
one
we're
proposing
today
and
stand-alone
ones,
which
would
be
solely
for
the
purpose
of
green
burial.
Green
burial,
kingston
is
an
organization
has
just
over
a
hundred
paid
up
members.
It
has
a
much
larger
mailing
list
website
facebook,
page
and
so
on.
We've
been
going
for
two
or
three
years
now
and
there's
a
lot
of
interest.
F
The
issue
is
until
recently
there
was
only
a
possibility
of
green
burial
in
coburg,
and
now
there
is
glenwood
cemetery
in
picton,
which
is
closer,
but
it's
still
over
an
hour
away
and
in
a
different
community,
but
the
demand
is
rising.
We
have
talked
with
the
people
more
than
once
at
the
glenwood
site
in
picton,
and
we
were
told
only
this
week
that
interest
in
green
burial
has
grown
more
than
800,
since
they
began
just
a
few
years
ago,
offering
green
burials
in
their
woodland
area.
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E
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A
C
A
Okay,
great,
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
david
and
sue,
so
so
you've
mentioned
the
glenwood
in
picton,
and
I
was,
and
you
mentioned,
five
acres
is
kind
of
what
the
sought
after
size
and
I'm
sure
we'll
hear
a
little
bit
about
that
from
our
staff
that
will
be
speaking
to
it
as
well.
I
was
wondering
regular
cemeteries
that
that
have
urns
and
all
that
for
cremation
and
oh,
is
there
what
causes
the
the
is
it?
It's?
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A
growing
awareness
and
a
growing
demand,
an
interest,
so
what
what's
holding
it
off
can
existing?
Is
there
a
special
license,
that's
required
for
this
or
what?
What?
Where
is
this
likely
to
go?
In
your
estimation,
right,
like
glenn,
haven
and
glenn
bernie
here?
Would
they
would
they
be
having
a
section
for
that.
E
Well,
the
that
glenn
glenn,
the
one
in
glen
burley,
glen
haven,
the
lots
of
glenns
are
actually
owned
by
arbor
memorial
and
that's
a
big
chain
right
across
the
country
and
so
far
they
have
not
been
interested
in
this.
They
are
really
more
driven
by.
They
need
to
know
that
it's
a
financial
gain
for
them
and
therefore
they
would
want
a
huge
amount
of
demand
to
go
there
and
also
they're
governed
by
head
office.
So
they
can't
just
decide
at
glen
haven
that
they
could
go
ahead
with
that.
E
That
is
in
you
know,
responsible
for
the
bao,
but
that's
the
barrier,
and
there
are
people
who
are
all
ready
to
go,
have
donated
land
etc.
But
you
know
this
expense
is
a
difficult
one
and
therefore
hybrid
seems
to
us
to
at
least
be
a
way.
We
could
start
and
then
choosing
how
much
land
to
ask
for
at
first,
we
thought
well,
maybe
just
a
couple
of
egg,
because
I
mean
when
you're
talking
about
green
burials
in
wooded
areas.
E
You
can't
put
it
in
as
many
people
as
you
can
in
a
flat
graveyard
where
you
clear
everything
so
that
you
know
so
that's
one
of
the
troubles
or
one
of
the
things,
but
also
personally,
we
didn't
really
feel
that
if
we
said
oh
just
start
with
two
acres,
we
don't
want
to
be
coming
back
and
saying:
oh,
could
you
buy
another
couple
of
acres
later
and
have
to
do
all
that?
So
we
thought
that
maybe
five
acres
was
a
really
good
start
and
I
think
you'll
see
a
lot
of
demand.
F
Well,
I
could
chip
into
that
that
we
have
consulted
with
folks
at
glen
haven
in
sorry,
glenwood
in
picton,
and
also
with
another
cemetery,
which
is
out
of
province,
which
is
another
hybrid
and
we
we
came
to
the
figure
of
five
acres,
just
as
a
as
a
good
starting
point.
So
our
the
people
we've
consulted
with
suggested
that
or
agreed
that
that
was
a
good
ask.
In
the
first
instance.
F
Oh
good
question
we
haven't.
Actually
I
mean
because
we're
at
such
a
preliminary
stage-
and
we
didn't
want
to
you-
know,
start
going
into
property
that
wasn't
actually
ours
to
survey
it
as
it
were.
We
don't
know
exactly
the
configuration
of
trees
and
whatnot
in
the
immediately
adjoining
area,
so
it
really
depends
on
going
there
with
people
with
the
experience
of
starting
a
green
burial
site
and
exploring
exactly
what
the
possibilities
are.
It
depends
on
the
already
existing
vegetation,
which
sort.
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F
Obviously
it
would
have
to
be
severed
and
so
on,
but
it
could
could
still
continue
to
be
land
that
isn't,
as
it
were,
fenced
off
from
their
property.
They'd
be
very
happy
for
it
to
be
part
of
the
property
they
they
don't
use
it
very
much
and
they
used
to
have
trails
up
through
there,
which
again,
from
our
point
of
view,
is
ideal,
because
the
idea
is
not
to
say:
oh
here's
a
place
for
the
dead,
it's
a
place
for
the
living.
It's
a
place.
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A
A
G
G
So
I
think
we
can
skip
this
one
because
that
had
been
covered
already.
Certainly,
we
can
speak
to
them,
but
the
the
hybrid
model
which
we
spoken
to
briefly
it
can
be
offered
within
a
conventional
cemetery
which
fine
grove
is
and
provided
that
it
has
the
sustainable
elements
of
the
natural
burial,
including
the
requirements
as
green
burial.
Canada
has
provided
in,
and
the
hybrid
models
can
be
included
within
the
adjacent
to
or
within
a
conventional
cemetery
and
from
our
research.
G
Next
slide,
please.
So.
This
is
really
provides
the
environmental
impact
with
respect
to
the
difference
between
the
standard
burial
and
the
natural
burial.
Some
of
the
points
have
already
been
spoken
to
by
the
the
delegation
before,
but
no
embalming
using
of
a
biodegradable
casket
or
a
shroud
direct
earth
and
internment
can
offer
a
more
environmentally
sensitive
truth
to
both
cremation
and
the
traditional
burial,
and
the
the
graphic
here
really
shows
the
difference
in
the
in
the
depth
between
the
traditional
and
the
natural,
the
natural
landscaping
after
the
burial.
G
G
Depending
we've
looked
at
a
number
of
municipalities
and
some
have
shown
that
a
natural
burial
is
up
to
could
be
up
to
four
thousand
dollars
and
that's
really
using
the
the
funeral
home
and
the
in
the
directions,
but
the
the
burial
itself,
where
a
standard
barrel
can
sometimes
start
ten
thousand
dollars
and
move
up
from
there.
So,
for
certainly
from
that
perspective,
the
the
cost
can
be
quite
substantial.
G
Looking
at
the
the
bylaw
for
pine
grove,
cemetery
and
other
municipalities,
where
they've
added
in
natural
burial
as
a
option,
it's
an
amendment
to
to
the
the
bylaw
that
would
be
brought
before
council.
So
with
that,
I'm
really
looking
at
feedback
from
from
the
cemetery
board.
As
to
the
elements
of
a
natural
barrel,
the
consideration
of
amending
the
bylaw
and
bringing
that
before
council,
as
well
as
any.
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A
Yes-
and
we
heard
from
the
presentation
that
about
this
fee,
that
is,
must
be
the
provincial
oversight
or
the
regulatory
body,
or
in
this
case
we're
not
talking
a
new
cemetery.
There
would
be
no
significant
cost
like
a
100
or
160
000..
That's
that
doesn't
really
apply
in
this
situation,
because
we
this
this
is
a
registered
cemetery.
Is
that
correct.
G
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chair
yeah,
so
that
165
000
is
the
provincial
body,
but
because
we'd
be
first
of
all
amending
the
the
current
dialogue
to
permit
it
within
the
current
cemetery
itself
and
would
not
require
that.
And
if
you
were
looking
at
the
extension
of
the
the
summit,
the
existing
cemetery
that
would
not
be
required
as
well.
A
Great
then,
madam
clerk,
it's
something
that
I'd
like
to
see
happen.
Instead
of
having
another
meeting
is
now
we
probably
don't
have
time
to
construct
a
emotion
such
as
that
or
could
we,
but
how
would
we
be
able
to
move
forward
with
a
consideration
of
an
amendment
to
lyla?
How
do
we?
How
do
we
move
from
here.
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G
Thank
you
through
you,
mr
chair.
Yes,
anticipating
the
meeting,
and
I
really
was
looking
for
feedback,
so
I
could
go
to
council
and
report
to
them
with
a
recommendation,
so
I
was,
you
know,
thinking
of
different
scenarios
and
if
the
the
cemetery
board
supported
the
the
natural
barrier.
My
my
thoughts
was.
I
would
bring
a
report
to
council
directing
staff
to
amend
the
pine
world
cemetery
amendment
in
itself
and
then
direct
staff
to
to
work
at
looking
at
the
expansion
of
the
cemetery
and
reporting
back
as
well
on
that.
G
So
I
don't
I
mean
I'll,
seek
the
clerk's
input
on
this.
I
don't
think
we
would
have
to
come
back
to
the
cemetery
board
to
present
the
the
amendment
to
the
bylaw,
where
I
you
know
in
my
report,
to
counsel
I
would
say
that,
and
that
was
the
cemetery
board.
This
was
the
input.
This
is
their
feedback
and
I'm
based
on
that.
This
is
the
direction
I'm
asking
for.
A
B
A
Yes
right,
it's
not!
We
don't
need
to
have
a
formal
recommendation
from
that's
from
this
committee
to
council.
We
don't
make
a
motion
from
from
this
committee
correct
right,
okay!
Well,
that's
that's
really
good
news
to
me
and
it's
great
to
see
that
we're
considering
that
and
and
that
miss
salter
keene
can
advance
this.
So
that's
really
great.
Do
we
have
to?
Is
there
anything
else
on
the
briefings
or
can
we
move
to?
Is
there
also
a
presentation
on
the
business
side?
Do
I
see
that
here.
B
F
At
the
same
time,
we
wouldn't
want
the
green
burial
to
as
it
were,
imposed
on
already
existing
practices
within
the
cemetery,
which
is
why
we
were
talking
about
extending
it
into
the
woodland,
rather
than
simply
talking
about
the
already
existing
cemetery
lots
that
are
presently
there.
So
it's
just
a
comment
really.
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A
D
A
Thank
you
very
much,
and
so,
just
before
I
join
you,
I
thank
everybody
again.
This
has
been
a
quick
meeting
but
also
informative
and
productive,
and
I
think
that
I
look
forward
to
hearing
from
miss,
alter
keane
and
I'm
available
for
you
as
well
at
any
time
and
to
work
with
you
on
that
as
we
prepare
for
bring
a
presentation
to
council.
A
So
I
thank
everybody
for
that
and
david
and
sue
again
to
thank
you
for
being
here
for
taking
some
of
the
lead,
and
I
hope
that
you
are
well
connected
with
the
city
on
that
and
there
can
be
a
positive
outcome.
I'm
pleased
by
that,
thank
you,
everybody
and
I
will
the
meeting
is
now
adjourned.
Thank
you,
everybody.
Thank
you,
madam
clerk.