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Planning Committee meeting from May 20, 2021. For full meeting agenda visit: https://bit.ly/343qTup
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I'm
not
sure
how
wise
they'll
be,
but
at
least
it's
a
little
bit
of
added
information
for
those
who
are
joining
us
this
evening
and
who
may
be
watching
at
home
so
good
evening.
Everyone
welcome
to
tonight's
planning
meeting
mr
chair.
I
can
confirm
that
we
do
have
quorum
and
we
do
have
all
of
our
committee
members
in
attendance
this
evening.
B
At
this
time
we
are
currently
joined
by
mr
tim
park.
Who's,
the
acting
director
of
planning
services,
james
barr,
acting
manager,
development
approvals,
tim
fisher
who's,
a
planner
janiece
grant,
who
is
an
intermediate
planner
blair
johnson,
is
also
joining
us
this
evening.
As
our
meeting
host,
my
name
is
elizabeth
fawcett.
I
am
the
committee
clerk
for
planning
committee.
B
We
will
be
joined
by
john
henderson,
who
is
the
housing
program
administrator?
He
should
be
joining
us
shortly.
We
also
have
an
attendance
currently
two
agents
and
applicants
as
panelists,
and
we
have
two
members
of
the
public
who
are
joining
us
in
the
gallery
at
this
time.
So
with
that,
mr
chair,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
you
to
begin
tonight's
meeting.
A
Thank
you
very
much
I'll
begin
with
a
fairly
long
notice
of
collection
that
we
do
at
the
beginning
of
every
meeting
personal
information
collected
as
a
result
of
this
public
meeting
and
processes
collected
under
the
authority
of
the
planning
act
and
will
be
used
to
assist
in
making
a
decision
on
this
matter.
All
names
addresses
opinions
and
comments
may
be
collected
and
may
form
part
of
the
minutes
which
will
be
available
to
the
public
questions
regarding
this
collection
should
be
forwarded
to
the
director
of
planning
services.
A
A
This
meeting
will
then
be
open
to
the
public
for
comments
and
questions.
Interested
persons
are
requested
to
give
their
name
and
address
for
recording
in
the
minutes.
Interested
members
of
the
public
can
email
the
committee
clerk
or
the
assigned
planner
if
they
wish
to
be
notified.
Regarding
a
particular
application,
no
decisions
are
made
at
public
meetings
concerning
applications
unless
otherwise
noted
the
public.
This
public
meeting
is
held
to
gather
public
opinion
an
exception
to
this
rule,
and
there
isn't
an
exception
tonight
is
combined
reports
which
consolidates
the
public
meeting
and
comprehensive
reports.
A
These
applications
are
deemed
by
staff
as
straightforward
and
routine
the
bus.
This
business
practice
has
been
in
place
for
a
number
of
years
and
is
received
by
the
applicants
as
efficient
customer
service
and
effective
use
of
committee
time.
Please
note
that
staff
use
discretion
in
determining
if
an
application
can
be
a
combined
public
meeting
comprehensive
report
to
expedite
the
approval
process.
A
A
A
This
committee
then
makes
a
recommendation
on
the
applications
to
city
council
city
council.
Has
the
final
say
on
the
application
from
the
city's
perspective
following
council
decision
notice
will
be
circulated
in
accordance
with
the
planning
act
if
a
person
or
public
body
would
otherwise
have
the
ability
to
appeal
the
decision
of
the
council
of
the
corporation
of
the
city
of
kingston
to
the
local
planning
appeal
tribunal,
but
that
person
or
public
body
does
not
make
oral
submissions
at
a
public
meeting
or
make
written
submissions
to
the
city
of
kingston
before
the
bylaw
is
passed.
A
B
A
C
C
C
In
terms
of
the
general
area,
north
of
this
site
is
immediately
the
cn
main
line
with
industrial
uses
off
of
development.
Drive
to
the
north
to
the
south
is
front
back
secondary
school,
as
I
mentioned,
as
well
as
some
commercial
and
residential
development
and
then
east
and
west
long
bath
road
is
generally
commercial,
with
some
commercial
having
accessory
residential
within
it,
as
well
as
residential,
further
further
to
the
east
and
west
next
slide,
please.
C
C
C
C
This
just
gives
everyone
a
quick
summary
so
I'll
run
through
some
of
the
stats
for
the
site.
As
I
mentioned,
eight
stories
is
what
we're
looking
at
88
residential
units,
20
supported,
affordable
units,
eight,
affordable
units
and
60
market
rental
units
in
the
next
slides
I'll,
get
into
a
bit
more
detail
on
that.
C
This
project
did
start
four
four
years
ago
and
in
working
with
andrew
I've
learned
there's
a
lot
of
variables
and
relationships
and
and
factors
at
play,
so
there's
actually
four
key
participants
which
is
adding
to
the
complexity
of
the
project.
There's
cmhc
city
of
kingston
they're,
looking
for
a
non-profit
organization.
C
So
as
I've
learned
myself,
the
discussions
are
complex
and
ongoing
and
they
relate
to
funding
legal
agreements.
Long-Term
commitment,
short-term
commitments,
as
well
as
financial
viability
of
the
project
cmhc,
will
not
review
the
funding
application
until
the
proposal
is
through
the
planning
approvals
process.
C
So
andrew
won't
know
if
he
has
the
funding
or
not
at
this
point.
So
in
light
of
that
and
to
be
perfectly
transparent,
we're
just
reminding
everyone
that
subject.
Application
should
be
reviewed
based
on
on
planning
merits,
regardless
of
the
tenant
composition
again
just
restating
with
the
intention
being
that
we
are
able
to
make
the
affordable
housing
component
happen
next
slide,
please,
in
terms
of
some
of
the
details
about
that.
What
will
happen
is
andrew's.
C
Company
will
enter
into
a
lease
with
a
non-profit
organization
to
rent
21
bedroom
units
at
a
60
cmhc
average
market
rent,
as
I
mentioned,
he
did
have
an
organization
lined
up
that
he
was
working
on
a
lease
with,
but
unfortunately
it
recently
fell
apart.
So
he's
now
looking
for
new
organization,
so
the
first
two
floors
of
the
building
will
be
allocated
to
this
organization,
and
the
units
will
be
managed
and
rented
through
that
nonprofit.
C
C
An
additional
eight
affordable
units
will
be
located
throughout
the
building
and
rented
at
eighty
percent
cmhc
average
market
rate
with
the
remaining
60
units.
Just
being
regular
market
market
rate,
rentals
next
slide,
please
so
because
andrew's
intention
is
to
go
after
this:
affordable
housing
funding,
cmhd
grades
applications
based
on
several
variables,
which
is
factored
into
the
building,
design
and
purchase
of
the
of
the
property
in
question.
C
One
of
the
variables
being
affordability,
which
I
spoke
to,
what
the
breakdown
was
going
to
be
on
the
last
slide.
They
also
value
based
on
accessibility
and
there's
two
different
standards
you
can
meet
and
obviously
the
more
the
more
you
do,
the
the
greater
chance
of
getting
the
funding
and
more
funding
that
you
have
access
to.
C
C
So
these
accessibility
and
environmental
efficiency
elements
have
obviously
been
designed
into
the
building.
So,
regardless
of
of
what
happens
with
the
affordable
component,
the
intention
is,
for
the
most
part
that
even
if
it
ends
up
being
a
market
rental
apartment
that
those
elements
will
carry
through
and
be
built
anyways.
C
The
last
element
that
cmhc
looks
at
is
proximity
to
amenities
and
they
have
a
checklist
with
certain
distances,
from
a
kilometer
to
a
kilometer,
a
half
looking
at
where
the
site's
located
proximity
to
transit,
groceries,
park,
child
care,
etc
and
the
site
met
actually
all
of
those
criteria.
Criteria
except
for
one
which
was
it
was
not
a
kilometer
and
a
half
away
from
a
public
library.
C
It
is,
in
fact
five
kilometers,
so
in
terms
of
proximity,
it
scored
very
well,
which
is
why
andrew
had
purchased
the
site
for
this
project
next
slide.
Please
I'm
moving
now
some
more
of
the
planning
details
in
the
concept
plan
you
have
bathrood
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
your
screen
and
under
the
I
guess,
would
be
the
cn
main
line
right
of
way.
I'm
on
the
left
hand
side.
So
you've
got
your
eight
story:
apartment
building
with
access
off
of
bath
road.
C
You
have
a
surface
parking
lot
in
the
west
side
yard,
as
well
as
a
two
level
parking
structure
located
behind
the
building
and
on
the
rooftop
of
the
garden
terrace
or
on
the
rooftop
of
the
parking
structure.
There
will
be
a
garden
terrace
for
use
by
the
residents,
as
well
as
additional
indoor
common
amenity
space
next
slide.
Please
these
are
the
side
elevations
of
the
building
there.
You
can
see
the
parking
garage
a
bit
a
bit
better
again.
C
It
will
be
located
behind
the
building,
so
it
won't
be
visible
from
bath.
Road
next
slide
the
front
and
rear
elevations
of
the
building,
with
the
image
on
the
right
hand,
side
being
what
will
be
visible
along
the
streetscape
of
bathroom
next
slide.
Please,
as
part
of
the
planning
report,
we
did
complete
an
urban
design
review
looking
at
the
development
in
relation
to
the
design
guidelines
for
residential
lots
prepared
by
the
city
and
the
apartment
creates
a
more
defined
urban
environment
in
the
area.
C
The
design
is
supportive
of
september
principles
or
safety
and
safety
principles,
as
I
mentioned,
it
will
be
universally
accessible.
The
height
and
massing
are
similar
to
nearby
development.
The
sec,
the
second
image,
identifies
if
you're
familiar
with
the
area.
Two
eight
story:
buildings
just
west
on
canateric
court
as
well,
there's
a
large
number
of
of
residential
buildings
up
at
the
intersection
of
bath
road
and
gardeners,
as
well
as
other
multi-story
residential
along
the
days
road,
as
well
as
you
can
see
in
the
rendering.
C
There
is
a
variation
in
materiality
and
color,
and
high
quality
materials
and
finishes
will
be
utilized
with
part
of
that
being
required
to
meet
the
building
efficiency
requirements
that
andrew's
hoping
to
meet
for
cmhc
next
slide.
Please
so
we're
requesting
a
zoning
violent
amendment
to
permit
the
multi-family
apartment
dwelling
and
to
establish
sites
respite
specific
performance
provisions
for
it
next
slide,
please,
the
planning
application
needs
to
be
consistent
with
the
intent
of
the
2020
pps.
In
this
case
it
redevelops
an
underutilized
site
in
an
area
intended
for
development.
C
C
Moving
now
to
the
local
city
of
kingston
op,
the
site
is
designated
arterial.
Commercial
high
density
residential
uses
are
permitted
in
the
arterial
commercial
designation,
provided
the
tests
of
the
opr
met
with
the
test
being
adjacent
to
residential
area,
adequate
residential
amenity,
active
transportation
linkages
and,
as
outlined
in
our
planning
report,
the
state
does
does
meet
these
criteria,
as
well
as
the
high
density,
residential
locational
criteria
and
the
cmhc
proximity
to
many
criteria
that
I
described
earlier
next
slide.
C
There
are
a
mix
of
commercial
and
residential
uses
along
that
road,
including
accessory
residential
within
some
of
the
commercial
buildings
mitigation
measures
are
utilized
as
necessary.
A
detailed
noise
study
was
completed
and
actually
even
prior
to
submission.
There
was
extensive
back
and
forth
with
the
city
of
kingston,
and
it
has
already
gone
through
a
peer
review
process
or
an
initial
peer
review
process,
and
as
we
move
through
the
technical
technical
review
process,
it
will
obviously
be
reviewed
in
greater
detail
as
well.
C
The
site
meets
the
needs
of
its
users
and
it
does
satisfy
the
special
needs
facilities
policies
outlined
in
the
op,
as
I
mentioned,
based
on
who
the
previous
partnership
was
with.
The
proposal
would
fall
into
this
description.
So,
in
the
event
that
another
organization
comes
through
with
similar
similar
goals,
we
still
speak
to
the
policies
and
again,
the
scale
is
appropriate.
20
of
the
88
units
will
be
supported
and
the
location
is
suitable
in
terms
of
commercial
transit.
C
C
I
reduced
parking
ratio
from
1.25
to
1.15
adjustment
of
yards
where
parking
is
permitted,
as
well
as
privacy
yards
existing
driveway
widths
and
to
increase
the
permitted
projection
for
balconies
into
the
east
yard,
given
the
reduced
setback
proposed
next
slide,
please
so,
just
to
generally
sort
of
summarize
and
speak
to
some
of
the
reasons
that
the
requested
relief
is
appropriate.
The
arterial
commercial
designation
does
permit
residential
development.
C
The
cn
rail
setback,
which
is
30
meters
in
this
case,
because
we
have
the
parking
garage
at
the
rear
third
part
of
the
building.
Hence
the
request
to
reduce
down
to
12.5
meters.
However,
the
residential
component
is
greater
than
30
meters.
I
think
it's
actually
40
48
and
a
half
meters
which
actually
exceeds
the
requirement
by
cn,
and
this
has
been
reviewed
with
cn
and
as
necessary.
C
D
Hi,
mr
shark,
can
you
hear
me
okay,
we
can
indeed
perfect
so
just
to
confirm
that
notice
was
provided
on
this
application
in
accordance
with
the
requirements
of
the
planning
act,
which
includes
on-site
signage,
a
mail
out
and
a
courtesy
notice.
In
the
paper
to
date,
we
have
not
received
any
public
correspondence
on
this
application.
A
E
Well,
I
just
want
to
start
by
congratulating
andrew
for
this
project.
This
is
great.
This
is
exactly
what
we're
looking
for
in
our
community,
and
I
hope
that
I
hope
you're
able
to
to
secure
that
that
that
investor
that
partner,
that
you're
looking
for,
but
just
the
one
thing
that
the
setback
for
the
at
the
for
the
rail
line
is,
is
really
to
the
parking
lot.
E
A
G
Kylie
thanks
mr
chair
three,
a
few
questions
actually
piggybacking
on
counselor
hill
and
I'll
also
echo
the
comment
that
I'm
very
pleased
with
this
project.
I
know
mr
martin
reached
me
as
the
district
councilor
early
on,
and
I
think
this
is
exactly
the
type
of
development
we
want
to
encourage
density-wise,
affordability,
wise
and
so
forth.
My
first
question
is
about
the
viability
if
the
mhc
funding
doesn't
come
through,
obviously
again,
like
counselor
hill,
said
we're
hoping
that
it
does.
F
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair.
Yes,
that
that's
a
great
question
and
the
the
financial
viability
of
this
project,
as
I'm
proposing
it
today,
is
definitely
contingent
on
a
successful
cmhc,
eco-investment
fund
application,
and
I
I
do
want
to
just
make
the
comment
that
we
have,
I
guess,
designed
this
building
in
such
a
way,
so
that
we
hopefully
score
as
high
a
grade
as
is
possible
on
this
application,
so
that
when
we
finally
do
have
this
file
adjudicated
that
we
will
reach
that
funding
that
we're
requiring
for
this
project.
F
In
saying
that,
though,
if
the
funding
doesn't
come
through,
yes,
you
know
this
project
will
have
to
be
again
looked
at
in
terms
of
at
least
the
affordability
rates,
and
if
that
is
going
to
be
viable,
it
still
is.
I
guess,
our
desire
for
this
project
to
still
offer
at
least
some
sort
of
affordable
housing
and
still
meet
these
accessibility,
as
well
as
environmental
efficiency
standards.
F
We
are
fairly
far
into
the
architectural
drawings.
We've
also
already
started
structural
and
mechanical
drawings
as
well.
So
we
you
know
changing
the
design
of
this
building
is
not
in
the
best
interest
of
us
either,
so
those
things
will
definitely
remain.
It
would
definitely
be,
though,
the
affordability
portion
and
how
we
can
still
structure
it
to
you
know,
bring
those
affordability
levels.
I
guess
to
the
market,
and
there
would
have
to
be
a
conversation
around
that
if
we
weren't
successful
with
the
cmhc
funding.
G
Okay,
thank
you.
If
I
could,
mr
chair,
for
you,
two
more
questions
and
actually
your
previous
commenter,
mr
martin,
sets
up
my
second
nicely,
which
is,
if
you
don't
get
the
cnhc
funding.
Does
that
also
mean
that
the
potential
partnership
for
supportive
housing
would
be
out
of
the
question?
I
suppose
it
does,
because
it's
related
so
tightly
to
the
viability
of
the
project
overall.
F
Yes,
and
through
you,
mr
chair
yeah,
that
that
is
correct.
Obviously
the
the
non-profit
organization
is
tied
obviously
to
these
supportive
units.
In
saying
that
you
know
it's
more
of
a
question
of
the
actual
rent
levels
than
it
is,
you
know
having
a
partner
with
a
non-profit
organization
or
not
it's
more
of
a
question.
If
the
rents
are
gonna,
be
at
60
or
or
something
higher.
G
Okay,
that's
totally
fair
and,
like
I
said
I
guess
I
can
only
speak
for
myself,
but
I
definitely
hope
that
comes
through.
For
you.
Final
question,
then,
is
about
the
potential
of
having
supportive
housing
on
this
site
and
the
proximity
to
the
rail
line.
I
think
that
adds
a
layer
of
complexity
to
a
simple
request
for
changing
the
setback.
F
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
yes,
the
the
berm
has
to
sit
higher
than
the
the
rail
line,
so
yes,
that
will
happen
and
again
there
has
been
a
lot
of
sound.
I
guess
these
sound
studies
have
shown
ways
of
reducing
the
sound
impact,
so
we
are
definitely
going
to
be
implementing
those
in
the
construction
of
the
building
to
again
ensure
that
the
sound
is
mitigated
as
much
as
reasonably
possible.
G
It's
just
a
supplemental
on
clarification
through
you,
mr
chair
kind
of
the
same
question.
My
concern
about
the
parking
garage
was
actually
less
about
sound
because
I
heard
your
earlier
comments
about
the
design
of
the
building
and
how
that
mitigates
the
potential
for
the
noise
to
be
bothersome,
but
more
about
the
potential
safety
concern
for
folks
who
may
be
living
in
supportive
housing
having
a
parking
garage,
that's
above
the
rail
lines
and
much
closer
than
normally
would
be
permitted.
Do
you
have
any
comment
on
that.
F
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
you
know,
I
definitely
understand
your
concern
again.
We're
gonna
be
working
with
the
cn
rail
line
as
well
to
make
sure
that
we
meet
their
standards
for
this
safety.
Berm
and
you
know,
cn,
has
these
standards
for
a
reason,
and
you
know
I
I
feel
as
though,
if
we
obviously
meet
these
standards,
which
we
will
you
know,
it
will
be
safe
to
have
the
parking
garage
in
that
location.
C
H
H
Is
it
specifically,
I
have
some
follow-up
questions.
Is
it
specifically
the
housing
subsidy
administration?
That
is
the
issue,
I'm
just
wondering,
because
there
are
other
buildings
in
kingston
where
kingston
front
neck
housing
corporation
calculates
the
rent.
Essentially
the
landlord
is
operating
as
usual.
It
sounds
like
this
agreement
is
somewhat
different.
H
No,
no,
I
think,
I'm
no
okay
to
be
more
clear.
The
service
provider
is
actually
providing
a
service
to
the
clients
that
will
be
there
or
the
the
tenants
that
will
be
there
in
addition
to
calculating
whatever
their
housing
charge
is
so
the
deal
is
a
bit
more
complicated
than
some
that
are
extent
in
the
in
the
city.
So
I
was
just
looking
for
a
bit
more
information
on
that.
H
D
A
H
F
Yeah,
and
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
like
how
how
this
agreement
would
be
set
up
is
it
would
almost
be
like
a
co-lease
with
this
non-profit
organization
and
the
rents
would
be
again
set
to
60
of
cmhc
average
market
rent
and
then
that
non-profit
service
provider
would
then
you
know,
have
be
responsible
for
filling.
I
guess
those
20
units,
so
the
rent
level
would
be
set
at
that
60
average
market
rent
and
then
they'd
be
leased
out
actually
by
the
nonprofit
organization.
F
F
Again,
the
the
financial
viability
of
this
project
is
still
contingent
on
a
successful
co-investment
fund
application
and
unfortunately-
and
it
is
a
frustrating
point-
but
cmhc
won't
actually
adjudicate
these
files
until
you're
through
the
planning
process.
So
that
is
going
to
give
us
more
clarity
when
you
know,
hopefully,
this
project
does
get
through
that
planning
process,
and
then
we
can
actually
have
an
idea
of
the
funding
that's
available,
and
you
know
at
that
point
in
time.
H
Now,
in
so
far,
there's
is
there's
a
municipal
capital
contribution,
assuming,
I
guess
in
addition,
as
you
said,
a
couple
of
times
that
the
crhc
funding
application
also
that's
good.
That
means
I
know,
what's
going
on
the
will
you
be
able
to
therefore,
thereby,
because
of
these
contributions
be
able
to
negotiate
a
lower
mortgage
rate?
F
F
You
know
at
this
point
in
time,
if
we
do
have
a
non-profit
organization
involved
in
this
project
and
are
offering
supportive
units,
it
does
get
you
a
higher
grade
on
this
co-investment
fund
again,
because
we've
made
decisions
with
the
the
rent
levels
being
at
60
percent.
That
again
scores
us
a
higher
grade
and
same
with
the
accessibility
and
environmental
efficiency
standards
and
targets
that
we're
trying
to
achieve
again.
Those
are
all
decisions
that
are
made
so
that
we
we
achieve
a
high
score
on
this
co-investment
fund.
H
H
F
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
is
the
question
more
in
terms
of
like
again,
I
guess
that
that
would
really
depend
on
again
the
the
the
rent
levels
of
the
project
still
in
terms
of
what
we're
proposing
today.
Yes,
the
municipal
funding
is
absolutely
necessary
to
make
this
project
again
financially
viable,
as
well
as
having
you
know,
a
successful
cmhc
eco-investment
fund
application,
so
you
know,
unfortunately,
I
I
don't
see
any
way
of
financially
making
it
work
as
we're
proposing
it
today.
Without
that
funding.
H
I
I
I
think
in
your
tree
inventory
on
the
majority
like
their
black
locusts,
oh
yeah,
okay,
that's
good
blair
I'll
get
to
those
trees
in
a
second,
so
the
lake,
dr
martin,
so
the
trees
that
are
right
now
along
the
railway
track
right
is
that
in
the
cn
right
away,
are
they
considered
yours
and
are
you
tearing
them
down
to
then
build
this
berm?
How
does
that
work.
F
F
I
ideally
I
want
to
keep
as
many
trees
there
as
possible
because
it
actually
creates
a
bit
of
a
visual
barrier.
It
also
helps
with
noise
mitigation
to
some
degree
as
well.
In
saying
that,
though,
you
know
my
my
hands
are
kind
of
tied
to
I,
I
guess
safety,
especially
with
this
firm,
and
you
know,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
cn
will
make
the
determination
how
this
burn
gets
constructed.
F
In
saying
that,
though,
you
know
do
I
do
I
see
the
possibility
to
keep
those
trees
with
this
safety
berm.
I
I
don't
really,
unfortunately,
but
in
saying
that
you
know
we
are
planning
to
hopefully
plant
trees,
at
least
on
this
sperm
if
we
are
able
to-
or
at
least
close
by
to
make
sure
that
we
still
have
that
visual
barrier
that
you
know
hopefully
again
provides
a
visual
barrier,
but
also
a
bit
of
a
noise
barrier
as
well.
I
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
yeah,
mr
johnson.
If
you
could
put
up
that
picture,
that
would
be
great
so
at
the
front
of
the
property
right.
We
know
that
the
tree
on
the
left
hand
side
there
has
already
been
cut
down.
It's
a
catalpa
tree
and
the
other
catopa
on
the
far
east
side.
Is
there
any
chance
to
save
that
one,
or
is
that
one
right
now
coming
down.
F
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
you
know.
Unfortunately,
this
is
a
very
tight
site
whenever
you're
working
with
these
infill
projects,
you
know
your
the
the
site.
Utilization
is
obviously
very
important,
and
I
I
do
believe
that
this
tree
will
definitely
have
to
come
down
again
seeing
firsthand
as
well
some
of
the
the
root
structures
of
these
trees.
I
can
tell
you
that
that
root
structure
spans
very
far
and
will
definitely
be
within
the
building
footprint.
I
All
right
so
for
your
landscaping
plan
d:
are
you
adverse
to
planting
three
catopas
as
part
of
the
trees?
I
saw
the
concept
plan
that
you
showed
miss
wartman
and
it
showed
trees
around
the
apartment.
So
can
you
ensure
that
some
of
the
trees
that
are
planted
are
three
katopas
because
they
are,
if
you,
google
them
they're
pollinator
magnets
right,
so
those
blooms
are
gigantic.
I
Google
maps
just
happen
to
take
the
picture
of
the
aerial
shot.
If
you
were
to
google
1752
bath
road
right
now,
when
those
catopas
were
in
bloom
and
there,
those
two
trees
were
the
prettiest
sight,
all
along
that
entire
stretch
of
bath
road.
To
tell
you
the
truth,
those
were
the
two
prettiest
trees
along
that
ugly
section
of
bath
road,
that's
mostly
all
concrete
and
and
now
they're,
both
going
to
be
gone.
I
C
Yeah
through
you,
mr
chair,
that
certainly
is
something
we
can
look
at
and
speak
with.
The
landscape,
scape,
architect
and
arborist
about,
and
I'm
sure
andrew
is
amenable
to
to
doing
that.
If,
if
it's
feasible
on
site-
and
I
did
just
want
to
say-
I
apologize-
I
had
uploaded
the
wrong
tree
inventory
so
caused
a
bit
of
a
stir
with
all
the
the
confusion.
C
So
I
think
all
the
correct
documents
are
up
there
now
and
will
be
reviewed
as
part
of
the
technical
review
and
just
to
add
to
what
andrew
said
about
the
berm
we
haven't
designed
it
yet.
So,
as
you
mentioned,
the
hope
is
maybe
there's
opportunity
to
save
that
and
given
that
you've
raised,
that
point
we'll
be
sure
to
raise
it
with
the
project
team
so
that
that
can
be.
If
there
is
opportunity
that
can
be
given
consideration
great.
I
Thank
you,
and
just
my
last
point
also
is
just
about
the
train.
I'm
pretty
so
the
closest
crossing
there
for
all
the
counselors
to
know
right
is
that
the
crossing
that's
directly
across
from
front
and
act
secondary
school
right.
It's
a
pedestrian
crossing,
but
because
it
is
an
official
crossing,
the
trains
have
to
blow
their
whistle,
so
any
train
coming
from
the
east
going
in
the
westbound
direction,
I
believe
by
looking
at
the
layout-
that's
probably
right
where
they
have
the
sign
for
the
train
engineers
to
blow
the
whistle.
I
So
we
are
going
to
get
complaints
because,
right
now
you
know,
there's
not
a
lot
of
neighbors
there.
It's
mostly
commercial
business
and
the
building
that
existed.
There
was
a
veterinarian
office,
and
now
we're
going
to
be
putting
like
80
units
could
be
two
people
per
unit.
You
know,
so
that's
a
lot
of
people
that
never
used
to
live
right
there
there
and
it's
going
to
be
right
where
the
sign
is
for
the
train
engineers
to
blow
the
whistle
and
anyone
can
go
into
elmwood
or
across
from
4002
bath
road.
I
A
E
A
Thank
you
a
couple
of
things.
First
of
all,
andrew.
I
want
to
thank
you
and
and
your
family,
your
dad
for
over
a
decade
now,
we've
had
nrop
a
wish
list,
but
it's
not
a
shall
encouraging
developers
to
have
25,
affordable
housing
and
developments,
and
you
may
want
to
put
this
in
your
cmhc
application.
A
A
So
so
I
appreciate
that.
I
know
this
is
a
tight
type
piece
of
property,
but
in
the
in
the
era
of
covid,
we've
all
become
much
more
aware
of
green
space,
and
I'm
wondering
how
much
what's
the
percentage
of
the
footprint
of
the
property?
Will
there
be
an
opportunity
through
landscaping
and
that
to
have
some
green
space
that
could
indeed
count
as
amenity
space
for
the
tenants.
C
Through
you,
mr
chair,
yes,
so,
as
you
mentioned,
the
safety
room
at
the
back
obviously
won't
be.
It
is
a
large
green
space
area,
but
it
won't
be
or
utilized
as
amenities
space
there
are.
There
is
some
green
space
along
the
east
side
of
the
building,
which
there
will
likely
be
some
great
amenity
space
there.
C
There
is
one
large
outdoor
or
not
large,
there's
one
outdoor
amenity
area
proposed
kind
of
hidden
behind
the
parking
garage
so
that
that
act
as
a
as
a
noise
buffer
and
then
the
garden
terrace
will
occupy
the
whole
parking
structure,
the
roof
of
the
parking
structure
so
and
that
will
be
programmed
accordingly.
So
and
then,
in
addition,
there
will
also
be
indoor
common
amenities
based.
So
yes,
definitely
in
light
of
covet.
C
I
think
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
amenities,
space
options,
sort
of
different
options.
So
if
there's
people
in
one
you
could
go
to
the
other.
So
yes,
it
is
a
tight
space,
but
hopefully
more
more
has
been
provided
than
perhaps
other
sites
have.
So
I
think,
there's
a
good
balance
of
indoor
and
outdoor
space
for
the
tenants
to
utilize
and.
A
B
B
B
A
A
F
Thank
you
and
through
you,
so
yes,
I
think
there
may
be
a
little
bit
of
confusion,
so
the
agreement
with
the
city
of
kingston
is
actually
for
25
years
cmhc.
However,
their
agreement
is
actually
usually
only
20
years.
They
don't
grade
applications
for
having
longer
agreements
than
20
years
and
again
that
that
was
one
sticking
point
that
I've
I've
tried
to
kind
of
push
on
cmhc,
because
in
this
scenario
you
know
we're
offering
affordable
housing
for
an
extended
five-year
period
without
receiving
any
funding
for
it.
F
And
you
know
I've
been
pushing
hard
on
cmhc
to,
hopefully
you
know,
make
an
exception
and
unfortunately,
haven't
really
gotten
anywhere
there,
and
you
know
again,
you
know
this
the
project
that
we're
proposing
here
you
know.
Obviously
it
has
a
lot
of
I'll
call
them
social
outcome
goals
of
the
project,
and
you
know
we
are
hoping
that
you
know
this
project
is
successful.
Definitely
over
that
25-year
period,
but
potentially
even
after
that
25-year
period.
A
So
thank
you
for
indulging
those
questions
when
it
comes
time
for
the
comprehensive
report,
those
questions
may
come
up
again,
but
since
the
city
is
going
to
be
a
a
funding
partner
in
this
as
well
so
okay,
thank
you
very
much
before
we
call
an
adjournment.
Are
there
any
city
planners
with
comments
or
are
there
any
other
questions
from
the
committee.
A
A
A
I
will
call
the
planning
committee
meeting
to
order
approval
of
the
agenda.
That's
before
us.
If
there's
a
mover
and
a
seconder
councillor,
sanik
councillor
hutchison,
all
those
in
favor
carried
confirmation
of
minutes,
and
we
have
two
sets
of
minutes
april
29th
and
may
6th
we'll
do
those
jointly
a
confirmation
of
those
two
sets
of
minutes.
A
A
We
have
no
delegations,
we
have
no
briefings.
I
will
read
the
business
portion
before
we
get
on
to
our
single
item.
That's
on
the
agenda.
This
portion
of
the
meeting
is
open
to
the
public.
The
city
has
initiated
a
new
process
in
which
members
of
the
public
will
have
the
opportunity
to
speak
for
up
to
five
minutes
on
comprehensive
reports
presented
before
the
planning
committee.
A
These
those
wishing
to
provide
oral
comments
at
this
meeting
will
be
invited
to
do
so
if
a
person
or
public
body
would
otherwise
have
an
ability
to
appeal
the
decision
of
the
council
or
corporation
of
the
city
of
kingston
to
the
local
planning
appeal
tribunal,
but
that
person
or
public
body
does
not
make
oral
submissions
at
a
public
meeting
or
make
written
submissions
to
the
city
of
kingston
before
the
bylaw
is
passed.
That
person
or
public
body
is
not
entitled
to
appeal.
A
J
Yes
through
mr
chair,
we
have
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
d14025
2020
for
the
municipal
address
58
and
60
young
street
next
slide,
please
so
the
purpose
and
effect
of
the
application.
The
current
lot
fabric
consists
of
or
consists
of,
two
separate
lots
with
each
half
of
the
existing
semi
detached
dwelling.
Having
a
separate
and
distinct
title.
The
semi
detached
dwelling
consists
of
a
total
of
two
dwelling
units
with
a
total
of
six
bedrooms
or
three
bedrooms
in
in
either
unit.
J
J
The
three
dwelling
units
will
be
divided
horizontally
with
a
dwelling
unit
occupying
the
second
floor,
the
main
floor
and
the
cellar.
The
main
floor
unit
will
also
occupy
a
portion
of
the
basement
of
the
addition
and
will
provide
a
workshop
utility
room,
guest
room
and
a
three-piece
bathroom
in
the
basement.
J
Next
slide,
the
proposal
will
consist
or
sorry
the
proposal
will
consist
of
three
units
with
the
basement
unit
containing
two
bedrooms:
the
main
floor
unit
containing
three
bedrooms
and
the
second
floor
unit
containing
two
bedrooms
for
a
total
of
seven
bedrooms.
In
the
new
structure,
the
proposed
three
unit
dwelling
will
increase
the
total
bedroom
count
in
the
new
structure
from
six
to
only
seven
bedrooms.
Next
slide.
J
The
location
of
the
property,
as
you
can
see
it
is
along
the
the
northwest
portion
of
yonge
street.
It
is
right
across
the
street
from
portsmouth
olympic
harbor
and
just
a
stone
throw
away
from
king
street
west
it
is,
is
actually
it
is
located
on
the
outskirts
of
a
residential
neighborhood,
which
consists
of
quite
a
mix
of
residential
housing
from
one
family
to
two
family
dwellings,
all
the
way
to
row,
housing
and
also
apartments
complexes
within
the
area
next
slide.
J
This
is
a
photo
as
it
stands
today.
As
we
can
see,
it
is
your
typical
semi
detached
dwelling
with
common
party
wall
down
the
center
entrances
or
principal
entrances
within
the
front.
Let's
see
here
and
parking
as
you
can
see
within
the
driveway,
which
leads
to
an
existing
garage
in
the
back
next
slide.
J
J
J
It
will
not
be
viewable
from
the
street,
so
the
streetscape
really
would
not
be
changing
in.
In
this
case,
the
addition
will
be
limited
to
a
one-story
edition
which
again
would
keep
a
profile
quite
low
and
would
have
minimal
impacts
on
to
the
adjacent
uses
and
also
the
continued
residential
uses
or
their
future
development
as
well
too
next
slide.
J
J
So
the
proposed
floor
plan
of
this
of
the
three
unit
dwelling
as
we
can
see
the
basement
floor
plan
within
the
existing
building
itself.
We
have
the
one
contained
unit
within
the
addition
area
itself
that
will
be
part
of
the
main
floor
living
space,
so
there
will
be
a
set
of
stairs
from
the
main
floor
coming
down
and
that's
where
they
would
have
an
office
and
bathroom
and
access
to
outside
the
main
floor.
As
you
can
see,
this
would
be
the
larger
unit
out
of
all
three.
J
J
They
did
give
us
some
renderings
of
what
it
could
potentially
look
like
again.
We
see
the
existing
structure
on
the
upper
left
hand,
side,
and
you
could
see
a
little
portion
of
the
addition
in
the
back
and
then
again.
On
the
right
hand,
side,
you
will
not
see
the
addition
and
then
looking
at
the
rear
of
the
dwelling.
J
The
addition
itself
will
be
a
lower
profile
than
the
existing
dwelling
and
again
it
will
not
be
viewable
from
from
the
street.
So
again
the
streetscape
will
not
be
would
not
be
altered,
and
I
can
also
say
that
the
proposed
edition
and
the
the
structure
itself,
the
massing
and
and
the
proposed
use
is
in
character
with
the
existing
residential
neighborhood
and
it's
a
built
character
as
well
too
next
slide.
J
So
during
the
public
correspondence
and
the
public
meeting,
which
was
held
on
march
25th
2021,
there
was
only
two
questions
that
were
brought
up
only
during
the
public
meeting
and
one
was
was
there
going
to
be
any
trees
removed
on
the
site?
The
applicant
did
respond
to
this
and
say
that
there
may
be
the
odd
tree
removed
to
accommodate
the
addition.
However,
his
intent
is
not
to
have
any
any
major
vegetation
removed.
J
In
doing
so,
we
should
be
recognizing
the
square
footage
for
each
or
sorry
the
square,
meter
or
lot
area
of
each
individual
unit,
as
it's
defined
in
section
11
3e,
where
it
talks
about
each
unit
having
a
minimum
amount
of
of
lot
area.
So
in
this
case
we're
looking
at
269
square
meters
for
each
individual
unit.
J
That
would
accommodate
the.
I
believe
it
was
the
807
square
meters
that
that
the
subject
property
would
be
and
again
we
would,
or
the
planning
department
would
recommend,
providing
a
maximum
number
of
bedrooms
to
seven.
In
this
case,
to
reflect
the
applicant's
proposal.
We
did
speak
to
the
applicant
and
he
was
in
favor
of
of
this
limitation
for
this
development
next
slide.
J
A
A
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
We
do
still
have
at
least
one
member
of
the
public
with
us
this
evening,
so
I
will
just
ask
if
they
wish
to
speak
at
this
time
on
this
application.
If
you
could,
please
raise
your
hand
and
zoom
again,
you
can
locate
that
at
the
bottom
of
your
screen,
I'll
just
give
a
couple
of
seconds
to
make
sure
that
they're
able
to
find
it.
A
A
A
We
have
no
motions
before
us.
We
have
no
notices
of
motion.
I
don't
believe
we
have
any
other
business.
I
don't
believe
we
have
any
correspondence
and
the
date
of
our
next
meeting
is
may
27th
at
6
00
p.m
and
I
believe
that's
to
review
some
or
bring
us
up
to
speed
on
some
of
the
new
comprehensive
plan.
Is
that
correct
mr
park.