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Planning Committee from May 27, 2021. For full meeting agenda, visit:
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A
B
B
No
problem,
mr
chair,
good
evening.
Everyone
welcome
to
tonight's
meeting.
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
run
through
who
is
present
in
the
meeting
with
us.
This
evening,
mr
chair,
I
can
confirm
that
we
do
have
quorum
and,
as
you
can
see,
we
do
have
four
of
our
five
committee
members
with
us
this
evening
saved
for
councillor
hill,
who
has
provided
his
regrets.
B
Staff
members
present
this
evening
include
tim
park.
Acting
director
of
planning
services,
james
barr,
acting
manager
of
development
approvals
lindsay
lambert,
senior
planner,
megan
robidu,
planner
blair
johnson
is
acting
as
our
host
this
evening
and
myself
elizabeth
fawcett.
I
am
the
committee
clerk
for
planning
committee.
A
A
The
purpose
of
public
meetings
is
to
present
planning
applications
in
a
public
forum,
as
required
by
the
planning
act
following
presentations
by
the
applicant
committee.
Members
will
be
afforded
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
for
clarification
or
further
information.
The
meeting
will
then
be
open
to
the
public
for
comments
and
questions.
A
Interested
persons
are
requested
to
give
their
name
and
address
for
recording
in
the
minutes.
Interested
members
of
the
public
can
email
the
committee
chair
or
the
assigned
planner
if
they
wish
to
be
notified.
Regarding
a
particular
application,
no
decisions
are
made
at
public
meetings
concerning
applications.
Unless
otherwise
noted
the
public
meeting
is
held
to
gather
public
opinion.
A
An
exception
to
this
rule
is
combined
reports
which
consolidates
the
public
meeting
and
comprehensive
reports.
These
applications
are
deemed
by
staff
as
straightforward
and
routine.
This
business
practice
has
been
in
place
for
a
number
of
years
and
is
received
by
the
applicants
as
efficient
customer
service
and
effective
use
of
committee
time.
A
A
A
A
The
committee
then
makes
a
recommendation
on
the
application
to
city
council
city
council
has
the
final
say
on
the
applications
from
the
city's
perspective
following
council
decision
notice
will
be
circulated
in
accordance
with
the
planning
act
if
a
person
or
public
body
would
otherwise
have
an
ability
to
appeal.
The
decision
of
the
council
of
the
corporation
of
the
city
of
kingston
to
the
local
planning
appeal
tribunal,
but
that
person
or
public
body
does
not
make
oral
submission
at
a
public
meeting
or
make
written
submission
to
the
city
of
kingston
before
the
bylaw
is
passed.
A
D
Okay,
well,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
and
committee
members
good
evening.
My
name
is
claudio
belvino
of
the
agora
research
group.
We
are
land
use
planners
or
market
analysts
representing
the
registered
owner
of
870
centennial
drive
next
slide.
Please,
the
the
site
is
comprised
of
a
parcel
of
land
located
on
the
east
side
of
centennial
drive
approximately
125
meters
north
of
taylor,
kid
boulevard,
total
land
area
of
the
site
is
approximately
half
a
hectare
or
1.1
acres.
D
It
has
a
frontage
of
50.6
meters
along
centennial
drive
and
a
depth
of
about
103
meters
along
the
longest
side
yard.
The
property
is
designated
arterial
commercial
in
the
official
plan
and
currently
made
up
of
three
c2
zones
in
a
split
zone.
Configuration
to
include
c2h,
c2-28,
h,
h
and
c-22-28
in
the
zoning
bylaw
number
76-26,
as
amended.
D
The
development
proposals
for
three
stand-alone
buildings
to
be
located
on
the
sites
specific
uses
within
the
buildings
number
one
and
two
have
not
been
established.
Although
building
two
will
consist
of
three
separate
commercial
units,
building
three
will
accommodate
an
automotive
oil
change
operation.
D
D
D
The
agreement
specifically
provides
for
shared
internal
pedestrian
and
vehicle
movement,
as
well
as
the
utilization
of
common
accesses
in
terms
of
infrastructure.
Municipal
services
originating
along
centennial
drive,
are
connected
to
kingston
utilities
and
have
been
stubbed
into
the
site.
Next
slide,
please,
in
terms
of
context
site
is
bounded
by
established
residential
neighborhoods
to
the
north,
east
and
west
adjacent
into
the
south
of
the
site,
as
previously
mentioned
is
located
at
the
ultra
ultra
mar
gas
station
circle
c,
convenience
store
a
car
wash
and
the
rexella
pharmacy.
D
D
D
D
There
are
three
components
to
the
proposed
zoning
bylaw
amendment
application
and
they
include
number
one.
The
application
seeks
to
amend
the
three
zones
that
currently
regulate
the
site
into
one
use:
new
site
specific
zone
number
two
application
is
seeking
zoning
relief
for
the
minimum
interior
side,
yards
setback,
standard
related
to
the
automotive
service
station,
building
from
the
required
9.1
meters
to
2.5,
meter
setback
and
the
application
seeks
to
remove
the
holding
symbol.
That
applies
to
two
of
the
three
existing
zones
on
the
site,
specifically
c2h
and
c2-28-h.
D
D
The
the
second
point,
the
proposed
development
is
requesting
to
decrease
the
minimum
interior
side
yard
setback
of
the
automotive
service
station,
which
is
building
number
three
at
the
bottom
of
the
site
plan
and
in
red.
It
shows
that
the
current
standard
requires
a
9.1
meter
setback
and
the
current
request
is
is
to
reduce
it
to
2.5
meters.
D
The
owner
has
cited
the
automobile
service
station,
used
the
furthest
away
from
the
budding
residential
properties
as
possible
and
has
increased
this.
The
rear
yard
setback
from
the
required
7.6
setback
to
17.3
meters
and
that's
shown
in
black
at
the
at
the
rear
of
the
site.
Now
there's
also
a
storm
water.
D
D
The
third
component
of
the
proposed
learning
bylaw
amendment
application
is
the
removal
of
the
holding
symbol.
That
applies
to
two
of
the
split
zones,
specifically,
as
you
can
see
there,
on
the
slide
c2-h
and
the
other
split
zone,
which
is
the
rectangle
portion
c2-28-h,
the
triangle
portion
of
the
site
is
not
under
the
holding
symbol,
so
that
does
not
require
a
holding
removal.
D
D
A
E
E
E
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Through
you,
some
questions
to
the
applicant,
my
computer,
oh
there
we
go
good
good,
it
was
stuck
in.
I
couldn't
bring
up
the
pdf
documents
for
building
number
one
and
building
number
two.
Could
someone
like
you
don't
have
what
the
future
use
might
be
so
because
for
building
one,
you
have
possibly
a
proposed
patio
area.
Does
that
mean
that
it
could
be
a
restaurant.
F
Okay,
thank
you
and
I
suppose
you
saw
the
one
comment
that
came
through
about
the
garbage
disposal
bins
and
if
the
disposal
bins
could
be
moved
further
back
from
the
backyards,
some
so
that
rats
won't
be
attracted.
Is
there
I
know,
that's
a
sight
plan
issue,
but
you'll.
Look
at
that.
First
sight:
plan.
D
F
You
and
I
have
a
question
about
traffic
flow,
so
I
see
that
traffic
comes
off
in
centennial
drive
and
then
it
goes
straight
and
then
it
goes
around
building
number
three
in
a
one-way
direction
and
then,
when
it
exits
it
exits
on
the
other
side
of
of
building
three.
What's
so,
but
it's
got
like
that
gap
there,
when
you
first
come
off,
centennial
drive,
there's
a
gap
like
an
immediate
gap
right
before
that
concrete
barrier.
F
D
Sure,
through
you,
mr
chairman,
so
what
you're
seeing
there
on
the
site
plan
is
the
fire
route.
So
that
is
the
route
that
the
fire
department
will
basically
take
if
there
is
a
fire.
Otherwise
it's
a
two-way
traffic
through
the
entire
site.
So
what
you
see
there
isn't
a
controlled
traffic
flow.
It
basically
shows
the
fire
route
in
case
there's
a
fire,
so
the.
G
D
H
F
It
just
seems
kind
of
tight.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Now.
I
just
want
to
ask
some
questions
about
the
trees.
So
in
one
of
the
landscape,
not
the
landscape
plans,
the
tree
inventory
that
we
have
it.
It's
got
the
red
highlight
at
the
top
and
it
talks
about
the
trees
removed
and
they're
all
on
manitoba
maple,
and
it
shows
13
trees
like
is
that
all
the
trees
that
are
to
be
removed
or
are
there
200
trees.
D
D
F
I
just
wondered
for
the
applicant
if
they
could
describe
those
those,
I
don't
know
how
to
say
them.
They're
like
concrete
pads,
but
I
understand
that
they're
not
going
to
be
solid,
concrete.
They
they
basically
surround
on
the
west
side
of
building
three.
I
understand
that
they're
gonna
have
grass
in
there
and
that
you're,
actually
planting
service,
berry,
surface
berry,
bushes.
I
guess
those
fill
out
to
sort
of
be
like
a
tree.
I
don't
know
if
some
some
shade
trees
could
be
planted
in
there
as
well.
D
Yes,
so
the
the
the
landscape
plan
shows
that
the
let's
call
them
islands
around
the
islands.
Let's
take
a
look
at
building
three,
so
those
those
little
islands
on
the
west
side
and
east
side
beside
the
parking
lot
that
will
all
be
soldered,
including
there'll,
be
three
two
two
service
berries
on
the
I
guess
would
be
the
side
and
one
on
the
west
side
of
the
of
the
oil
change
operation.
D
D
That's
it
so
so,
mr
chairman,
for
you
again,
so
that's
why
the
the
owner
went
aggressive
on
the
on
on
the
planting
of
new
trees.
As
I
said,
30
new
trees,
plus
eighth
of
retain
that's
38,
38
trees,
plus
188
shrubs
it'll,
be
pretty
intense
along
the
along
the
back
of
the
or
the
buffer
to
the
residence.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
through
you.
Thank
you,
mr
baldwin,
for
your
presentation.
I'm
just
going
to
pick
up
on
counselor
sanik's
questioning
about
trees,
just
to
clarify
a
few
things,
because
this
is
an
issue.
That's
been
brought
up
by
residents
to
me
as
well
the
the
request
for
the
change
in
the
side
yard
setback
from
9.1
to
2.5
meters.
Can
you
talk
about
how
that
impacts?
The
growth
that's
there
now,
in
other
words,
if
the
requests
were
not
granted
would
more
be
retained.
I
D
Okay,
so
if
we
basically
did
the
full
nine
nine
point,
nine
point
one
meter,
we
would
still
be
wiping
on
a
lot
of
what
we
we
basically
yeah.
We
basically
wipe
out
a
lot
of
trees
back
there,
regardless
keep
in
mind
that
we
have
to
stay
off
that
that
storm
pipe
easement
as
well.
So
that's
why
we're
pushing
that
that
building
as
far
as
far
over
as
possible,
regardless
we
needed
we
needed
that
for
for
parking,
and
we
needed
that
for
the
access
lane
again
wait.
D
I
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
I'll
leave
it
there
for
now.
Recognizing
committee
has
additional
time
for
questions
later,
and
perhaps
residents
want
to
pursue
that
if
they're
in
here.
My
second
question
quickly
is
for
staff.
So
through
you,
mr
chair,
concerning
the
noise
study
that
said,
the
oil
operation
will
have
no
adverse
impact.
Could
staff
give
us
a
bit
more
context,
especially
for
residents
who
may
be
watching?
How
is
it
that
an
industrial
operation
will
not
have
any
adverse
impact
when
it's
literally
in
people's
backyard.
E
There
is
also
a
gas
station
that
was
established
and
to
the
south
in
recent
years.
That
site
plan
would
have
required
a
noise
study
as
well,
and
the
setback
is,
is
pretty
substantial
in
terms
of
where
that
building
is
located
in
relation
to
the
rear
yard,
and
there
is
quite
a
substantial
planting
strip.
That's
proposed
along
the
rear,
lock
line
being
10
feet
in
depth,
as
well
as
the
existing
wood
fence
from
the
subdivision.
E
I
C
A
Just
very
quickly,
I
know
there
was
mention
that
certain
things
are
site
plan
related
we've.
Always
it's
been
our
habit
of
always
allowing
people
to
bring
up
site
plan
issues
during
the
public
meeting,
since,
with
the
exception
of
when
counselors
ask
for
a
bump
up,
there
isn't
a
site
opportunity
for
people
to
express
their
concerns
regarding
site
plan
issues.
So
that's
perfectly
within
our
tradition
and
and
we
allow
that
to
happen
so,
and
that
was
it
so.
I
A
J
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chair
this,
and
have
my
glasses
I'll.
Give
me
a
second
here,
sir
babanel
albino.
Okay.
Thank
you
for
answering
the
questions
of
my
colleagues
regarding
trees.
There
I
happen
to
walk
past
this
on
a
regular
basis.
Although
it's
in
the
district
just
south
of
me,
I
tend
to
go
to
the
rexella
pharmacy
and
I've
always
enjoyed
seeing
wildlife
in
that
that
area
the
the
easement
that
you're
looking
for
on
the
on
the
side
yard,
reducing
it
substantially.
J
I
have
to
agree
with
my
colleague,
counselor
calstr
kylie,
that
they're
I
I
don't
have
an
understanding
of
how
many
mature
trees
are
within
that
corridor,
along
that
that
easement
sewer.
That,
I
believe,
is
along
the
sidewalk
sidewalk
extension,
not
on
the
sidewalk
extension,
but
on
the
back
side
backs
onto
the
properties
of
the
of
the
residence.
J
J
Are
quite
mature
and-
and
I
see
the
types
of
trees
that
I
don't
know
what
your
building
is
like,
but
I
mean
sometimes
you're
planting
trees
that
are
less
than
you
know,
10
centimeters
in
diameter,
and
you
got
to
wait
30
years
for
that
tree
to
be
any
substantive
size
and
I'm
just
very
concerned
about
the
residents
that
live
there.
And
so
I'm
just
wondering.
Is
there
any
way
to
shift
shift
the
building
a
little
further
southwest
to
facilitate
a
larger
strip
of
green
space?.
J
J
D
J
D
D
So
the
only
the
only
oil
change
operation
will
be
the
the
small
building
building
number
three:
okay,
that's
the
only
oil
change,
operation
or
automotive
use
on
that
site.
The
rest,
the
rest
will
be
retail
commercial
uses
which
haven't
been
defined
because
of
the
obviously
the
market
is,
is
pretty
upside
down
right
now,.
A
You
thank
you.
Councillor.
Chappelle
will
now
go
to
the
public,
but
members
of
the
committee
will
have
an
opportunity
if
other
questions
come
forward
after
the
public
have
spoken
before.
I
ask
our
madam
clerk
to
go
forward
with
members
of
the
public
I'll
just
mention
the
protocol
is
that
all
members
of
the
public
have
a
five-minute
opportunity
to
speak.
A
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
through
you
for
those
joining
us
this
evening
as
members
of
the
public.
Should
you
wish
to
speak
during
this
time?
You
will
need
to
raise
your
hand
and
zoom
to
do
so.
You
will
need
to
select
the
raise
hand
button
which
is
located
in
the
center
of
your
screen
when
you
move
the
mouse
over
the
zoom
window.
B
G
Okay,
hi,
it's
karina
dupley
hi,
mr
kylie.
I
live
at
837
edgar,
so
my
backyard
is
right
there,
it's
the
one
with
the
proposed
dumpsters
behind
it
and
I'm
really
with
the
full
bank
of
trees.
I
just
wanted
to
first
off
thank
the
counselors,
I'm
really
impressed
with
how
much
you're
talking
about
us
and
you're
talking
about
our
trees,
because
it's
terrifying
for
us.
This
is
why
we
live
here.
It's
because
it's
this
rare
little
thing
that
we've
got
this
for
us.
So
this
is
just
really
upsetting.
G
There's
just
a
couple
things
I
I
mean
all
the
talk
about
replacing
trees
is
all
fine
and
dandy,
but,
like
the
last
counselor
said,
replacing
these
mature
trees
with
new
trees,
it's
kind
of
a
joke.
These
take
decades
to
get
this
kind
of
fullness
and
height.
It's
it.
Just
we've
seen
trees
that
are
around
shopping
malls.
It's
not
going
to
be
the
same.
Also,
I'm
wondering
why
there
has
to
be
43
parking
spaces.
It
just
seems
like
paved
paradise
and
put
a
parking
lot.
G
I
don't
really
understand
the
need
for
that
many
and
again
reiterating
what
the
last
counselor
said
is.
We
have
owls
foxes,
we
even
have
coyotes
back
there,
so
I'm
concerned
about
that
too,
and,
as
was
mentioned,
I
believe
that
was
my
question.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
in
the
notes
that
if
there
could
be
somewhere
else,
the
dumpsters
could
be
put
other
than
in
our
backyard,
like
I
don't
know
where
they
could
go,
but
we're
just
very
concerned.
So
thank
you
for
addressing
us
and
thinking
about
our
trees.
K
Thank
you
again:
it's
giavanna
croco
and
we're
at
821
edgar
street
and
we're
not
directly
behind
where
this
will
be
built.
But
our
question
is
with
the
privacy,
with
the
trees,
we've
had
one
tree
removed
already,
and
it's
a
direct
line
that
you
can
see
our
house
from
taylor,
kit
and
centennial
drive,
so
privacy
is
a
big
issue
here.
The
second
thing
is
the
same
thing
with
the
parking
spaces.
Why
are
there
so
many
needed?
You
mentioned
that
there's
an
interest.
K
Originally,
there
was
an
interest
to
put
in
a
patio,
so
possibly
a
restaurant
and
that's
off
the
table
now.
But
if
that
comes
back
on
the
table,
where
does
that
patio
go
and
does
that
not
affect
when
you're
in
a
residential
area?
If
there's
alcohol
being
served,
those
are
the
sort
of
things
we
wanted,
because
it's
a
quiet
area
right
now
and
we
like
it
to
continue
that
way.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
forgive
my
lack
of
protocol.
I
live
at
829
edgar
street.
My
name
is
dennis
dougl
and
I
have
a
concern
about
one
of
the
documents,
the
appendix's
eye
and
what
that
refers
to
as
the
wind
direction
and
flow
with
centennial
opened
up
to
the
lake
and
when
they
took
down
the
trees,
where
rexall
is
a
lot
of
the
houses
in
our
area,
lost,
shingles,
etc.
L
Things
like
that
so,
with
the
miss
of
those
large
trees,
there's
going
to
be
some
wind
tunneling
effect
through
the
concrete
jungle,
and
that
will
no
doubt
cause
some
damage
to
the
houses
as
well
as
it's
a
canadian
shield.
So
any
of
the
pounding
that
goes
back
there
is
going
to
cause
shifting
along
causing
the
fences
to
fall
downhill
towards
the
facility,
and
I
really
don't
want
to
see
the
trees
gone.
H
K
Sorry,
thank
you.
It's
in
follow-up
to
the
wind
comment
and
when
that
those
trees
were
removed
from
rexall,
our
back
fence
actually
collapsed
and
we
had
to
restructure
it
and
rexella
was
in
collaboration
with
us.
They
paid
their
portion
to
fix
it,
but
that
is
how
strong
the
wind
is.
It
clapped
against
a
shed
which
was
there
too,
and
we've
had
shingles
fly
off
as
well,
and
I
promise
I
won't
put
my
hand
back
up.
A
D
D
But
that's
a
site
plan
issue
and
we'll
work
through
the
through
that
with
the
city
and
the
neighbor
to
ensure
that
that
it's
something
that
works
for
everybody
in
terms
of
the
the
parking.
Why
so
many
parking
spaces
parking
is
basically
dictated
by
the
square
footage
on
the
site?
So
in
this,
in
this
case,
I
think
we
had
just
give
me
one
second
here.
D
D
F
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
when
the
site
comprehensive
report
comes
back.
You
know
for
that
far
east
corner
southeast
corner,
where
the
majority
of
the
forest
is
right.
Now
there
are
some
parking
spaces.
I
think
if
I
just
pull
it
up,
and
I
would
definitely
support
it,
like
the
reports
always
come
back
saying,
the
requirement
is
this
many
of
whatever,
but
the
applicant
is
asking
for
reduced
setback
and
reduce
parking
and
reduce
this.
F
So
in
this
case
that
would
be
a
win
for
the
city
and
cheaper
for
the
applicant
that
they
don't
have
to
provide
as
much
asphalt
for
the
parking
spaces.
So
if
that's
possible
I'll
put
it
out
there
also
when
the
trees
are
going
to
be
removed.
I
just
want
the
trees
to
be
removed
around
the
bird
migratory
act,
so
to
make
sure
that
the
trees
aren't
removed
during
that
peak
period,
where
all
the
baby
birds
are
being
born
in
the
trees.
So
we
need
to
respect
that.
F
I
know
staff
try
to
put
that
into
every
comprehensive
plan
when
it
does
come
back
to
planning
committee
and
my
question
for
on
the
applicant
is,
I
don't
see
a
document
that
actually
for
all
the
trees
that
are
in
that
forest.
Like
usually,
we
see
a
report
of
the
200
trees
and
what
every
tree
is.
So
we
see
all
of
the
manitoba
maples
that
are
going
to
be
removed,
right,
13,
or,
I
think
you
said,
11
manitoba
mapos,
but
in
that
forest
grove
right
now,
do
you
know
from
the
tree
inventory
that
was
done?
F
What
the
predominant
species
are,
that
is
in
the
forest,
where
those
buildings
on
two
and
three
are
going,
or
particularly,
I
suppose,
building
three
since
that
that's
what's
at
the
south
east
corner
is.
Is
it
oh
like
what
are
some
of
the
good
tree
species
that
are
in
there
that
are
going
to
be
cut
down,
because
the
buildings
and
the
parking
spots
have
to
be
put
there.
D
Yeah,
I'm
just
quickly
going
through
the
inventory.
They
appear
to
be
all
manitoba
maples
for
the
entire
site.
So
what
we
can
do,
I
think
you're
asking
me
for
specific.
What
kind
of
trees
are
in
a
specific
area
of
the
site
we
can.
We
can
obviously
isolate
through
the
data
that
we
have
and
we
can
provide
that
to
be
included
in
the
comprehensive
study.
F
D
Yeah,
it
was
done
by
a
qualified,
arborist
horticulture,
then
yeah,
the
inventory
I'm
just
going
right
through
it's
all.
It's
all
manitoba
maples,
and
that
was
one
of
the
reasons.
One
of
the
comments
came
back
from
the
forestry
department
basis
says
you
know,
start
to
increase
the
the
the
the
the
variety
of
trees
in
that
lot,
because
there's
too
many
manitoba
makers,
great
so
yeah
we
have
the
we
have
the
data
if
you
need
to
break
it
up
by
certain
sections
of
the
of
the
other
site,
that's
not
wrong!.
E
E
With
respect
to
the
tree
inventory,
forestry
staff
were
satisfied
with
the
methodology
used
and
have
signed
off
on
the
tree.
Inventory
and
preservation
plan
and
staff
have
made
a
note
to
include
language
around
the
bird
migratory
act
in
the
site
plan
control
agreement,
so
that
tree
removal
does
not
occur
during
that
that
time
period
between
mid-april
and
mid-august.
F
Thank
you
for
you,
I'm
so
a
question
to
ms
lambert,
then.
So
where
does
the
irrigation
the
water
irrigation
system
fit
in?
Is
that
then
site
plan
and
the
only
way
that
we
would
have
the
committee
would
have
consideration,
for
that
is
to
do
a
bump
up
to
see
if
that
gets
added
in
or
do
we
make
an
amendment
tonight
to
add
that
to
the
comprehensive
plan,
I
don't.
E
Understand
you
used
to
a
chair.
Irrigation
systems
are
not
a
zoning
consideration,
not
something
we
can
include
or
amend
in
terms
of
the
recommendation
that
staff
have
offered
for
the
committee's
consideration
this
evening,
the
applicant
appears
to
be
open
to
considering
it
they've
been
open
to
considering
a
number
of
changes
that
have
been
brought
forward
this
week
by
interested
members
of
the
public.
E
D
You,
mr
chairman,
sure
we
certainly
take
a
look
at
what's
being
proposed.
I
need
to
talk
to
the
obviously
the
owners,
but
we'll
obviously
consider
it
and
and
see
if
we
can
make
make
it
work
and
still
have
a
suitable
development
without
impacting
the
the
adjoining
neighbors.
So
we're
open
to
discussion.
F
F
For
this
exact
reason,
as
a
buffer
between
you
know,
two
adjoining
properties,
it
had
an
irrigation,
and
I
I
know,
we've
seen
other
applications
where
a
lot
of
trees
are
being
replanted,
because
trees
had
originally
been
taken
down
and
they
have
irrigation
systems
put
in
to
the
site
as
well.
So
that
would
definitely
be
appreciated.
F
A
Yes,
I
can
speak
really
briefly
to
that
anybody,
any
member
of
council
with
the
mover
and
a
seconder
can
request
a
bump
up
of
site
plan.
That
means
that
the
the
beginning
of
the
construction
can't
take
place
until
there's
a
public
meeting
at
this
committee
and
members
of
the
public
have
an
opportunity
to
speak
to
those
site
plan
issues
and
that's
always
been
a
consideration.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
With
respect
to
the
vegetation,
I
I
wanted
to
also
add
that
our
site
securities
through
site
plan,
are
structured
so
that
there's
a
later
release
after
a
period
where
the
vegetation
has
taken
hold,
where
we
hold
back
ten
percent
to
ensure
that
the
vegetation
that's
planted
has
survived
and
is
in
accordance
with
the
approved
plan.
So
that
is
a
mechanism
to
ensure
that
the
landscaping,
particularly
along
the
planting
strip,
takes
hold
and
and
is,
is
healthy
and
then
further
to
that
we
do
have.
I
I
A
A
M
See
mr
chair,
no,
what
you
said
was
was
absolutely
correct.
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
what
you
said
that
when
applications
are
generally
technical
in
nature
such
as
this
one,
they
are
brought
forward
as
a
combined
report
that
that
was
staff's
opinion
of
this
report,
it
would
appear
to
me
most
of
the
issues
that
have
been
raised
would
generally
fall
under
the
site
plan
application
process,
so
it
would
be
up
to
committee.
M
Obviously,
but
I
would
say
most
of
those
issues
would
be
addressed
through
the
state
plan
application
process
and
to
ensure
that
then,
obviously
the
option
of
bumping
the
same
plan
up
would
ensure
that
those
were
done,
and
it
would
also
allow
the
public
to
come
back
and
see
that
ensure
that
those
were
addressed
in
future.
Thank
you.
A
H
M
That
that
is
correct,
really
what
the
the
the
main
point
of
this
report
is:
there's
there's
two
different
zones
in
the
property
and
it's
just
making
harmonizing
it
into
one
zone.
Both
zones
permit
the
uses
that
are
being
proposed
on
the
property.
However,
they
have
different
setback
requirements,
so
it
gets
very
confusing
when
you
have
that
situation.
M
M
A
D
No
for
you,
mr
chair,
I
agree
with
mr
mr
park.
If
everything
was
if
there
was
no
split
zones,
this
would
basically
go
straight
to
minor
variants
and
then
to
site
plan
approval.
So
this
is
really
a
technical
issue.
It's
really
a
split
between
the
the
zoning
technical
zoning
issues
and
and
site
plan
approval.
That's
what
it
really
boils
down
to.
D
A
D
Yes,
I
I,
I
think
it
is
time
sensitive,
because
there
are
some
tenant
tenant
issues
that
that
are
on
the
table,
with
obviously
leases
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
I
I
think
the
the
issue
here
was
that
we
got
caught
with
the
with
this
split
zoning
issue
late
into
the
into
the
into
the
process,
so
that
delayed
us
that
the
latest
probably
a
good
three
to
four
months
as
well.
D
M
Thank
you
through
you,
mr
chair.
Yes,
deferring
the
comprehensive
report
would
probably
see
this
coming
back
approximately
two
to
three
months
from
now
again,
depending
on
the
scheduling
availability
activity,
whereas
the
bump
up
motion
has
to
be
made
at
the
next
meeting
of
council
and
then
we
would
just
have
to
report
back
the
committee.
It
probably
wouldn't
delay
it
quite
as
long
as
the
three
months,
but
it
would
still
be
a
referral
of
I'd
say
about
foreign.
A
A
H
A
Super
thank
you
very
much.
I
will
now
turn
to
our
planning
committee
meeting
number
14,
2021
and
I'll
call
the
meeting
to
order
looking
for
a
mover
and
a
second
or
for
the
agenda
who
would
like
to
move
in
second
day,
councillor
kylie
councillor,
zanik,
all
those
in
favor
carrie
confirmation
of
minutes.
I
don't
believe
we
have
any
do
we
have
minutes.
A
A
A
Seeing
none
if
you
could
take
the
chair,
there
was
one
question
I
meant
to
ask
of
the
applicant
earlier.
There
was
some
question.
There
was
some
question
a
comment
about
how
this
is
on
a
limestone
base.
I
presume
that
there
would
be
no
intention
of
use
of
doing
blasting
at
all
for
foundation.
Work
on
this
site
is
that
an
accurate
assumption.
D
H
I
So
I
just
want
to
say
two
things
one
is
I
found.
The
applicants
are
very
helpful
and
receptive
to
working
with
residents,
which
is
always
encouraging,
but
do
I
would
like
to
see
this
bumped
up,
and
I
know
that
I've
emailed
that
with
counselor
osanic,
I
know
we
have
to
pass
it
here
and
bring
it
to
council.
Mr
chair,
I'm
just
hoping
you
could
confirm.
That's
the
process
we
confirmed
here,
but
then
I
counsel
we
request
a
bump
up
is.
M
M
H
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
We
do
still
have
four
members
of
the
public
with
us
currently
and
again
I'll
just
ask
for
those
who
wish
to
speak
during
this
portion
of
the
meeting.
Please
raise
your
hand
and
zoom
for
those
who
may
have
spoken
during
the
public
meeting.
You
still
have
an
opportunity
to
speak
a
second
time
during
the
business
item.
B
A
A
J
A
N
And
through
you,
mr
chair
and
I'll,
definitely
review
those
details
in
my
presentation.
If
miss
faucet
wouldn't
mind
pulling
up
my
powerpoint
slides
I'll
get
started
great.
Thank
you
excellent.
So
my
name
is
megan
robidu
and
I'm
a
planner
with
the
city
of
kingston.
This
is
a
comprehensive
report
and
recommendation
related
to
an
application
for
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
the
property
municipally
known
as
nine
cooper
street.
N
N
N
The
subject
property
is
located
at
9
cooper
street,
which
is
situated
on
the
north
side
of
cooper
street
between
albert
street
to
the
east
and
collingwood
street
to
the
west,
the
subject
property,
abuts
residential
uses
in
all
directions,
including
one
unit
two
unit
and
multiple
unit
dwellings
between
one
and
three
stories
in
height
the
subject.
Property
is
designated
residential
on
schedule,
3a
of
the
official
plan
and
is
located
in
the
one
family
and
two
family
dwelling
a
zone
of
zoning
bylaw
8499.
N
N
N
Zoning
bylaw
8499
prohibits
the
extension,
expansion
or
structural
alteration
of
existing
multiple
family
dwellings
that
have
the
effect
of
adding
new
floor
area
or
dwelling
units
in
the
a
zone.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
apply
a
site-specific
a
zone
to
allow
for
the
expansion
and
alteration
of
the
existing
triplex
on
the
subject
property.
N
Next,
please
so,
as
shown
on
the
site
plan
here,
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
two
and
a
half
story,
rear
edition
on
the
existing
two
and
a
half
story
triplex
to
facilitate
the
expansion
of
these
existing
three
dwelling
units.
The
proposed
development
would
provide
a
total
of
14
bedrooms
across
three
dwelling.
Units.
N
N
N
However,
subsequent
to
the
public
meeting
the
absolute
the
applicant
has
submitted
revised
plans
for
the
proposed
development
to
address
questions
and
concerns
that
were
raised
by
members
of
planning
committee,
the
public
and
planning
staff.
The
revised
plans
maintain
the
existing
structure
on
site
and
instead
propose
a
rear
two
and
a
half
story
addition
as
I've
described.
N
N
N
As
I
previously
noted,
the
a
zone
does
not
permit
a
three-unit
dwelling
and
the
existing
triplex
is
permitted
by
way
of
minor
variants.
Since
the
applicant
is
proposing
an
increase
in
floor
area,
a
zoning
by-law
amendment
is
required.
The
proposed
rear
edition
will
not
result
in
the
creation
of
new
dwelling
units
or
a
change
in
density.
N
N
An
amendment
is
required
to
the
minimum
lot
area,
provision
of
the
a-zone
to
recognize
the
existing
use
of
the
site
with
three
dwelling
units
at
269
square
meters
per
dwelling
unit.
This
is
a
condition
that
will
be
unchanged
by
the
proposed
development,
as
it
will
not
result
in
the
creation
of
new
dwelling
units
in
regards
to
building
depth.
The
proposed
rear
addition
would
result
in
a
building
depth
of
20.9
meters,
which
requires
relief
of
2.8
meters.
N
The
proposed
edition
is
not
anticipated
to
create
intrusive,
overlook
concerns
on
the
adjacent
property
to
the
east,
as
the
primary
use
of
the
rear
yard
in
this
instance
is
as
a
gravel
parking
area.
The
adjacent
property
to
the
west
of
the
subject.
Property
is
developed
with
a
single
detached
dwelling.
N
N
The
proposed
redevelopment
will
improve
the
functionality
of
the
site
by
relocating
the
vehicle
parking
to
the
rear
yard
and
by
providing
three
vehicle
parking
spaces
that
do
meet
the
design
standards
of
the
zoning.
Bylaw
relief
is
required
to
provide
a
reared
parking
area
of
48.6
meters,
where
a
maximum
of
40
square
meters
is
permitted.
N
N
N
A
recommendation
of
approval
is
before
the
committee
its
staff's
opinion,
that
the
application
for
zoning
bylaw
amendment
at
nine
cooper
street
is
consistent
with
the
provincial
policy
statement
and
conforms
to
the
official
plan.
An
amending
bylaw
has
been
prepared
with
the
amendments
to
the
zone
provisions
and
with
that
I
am
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
the
committee
may
have.
N
A
C
N
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thanks
for
your
question,
counselor
and
yeah
I'm
happy
to
review
that
again
for
the
benefit
of
the
committee,
so
the
property
that's
located
immediately
to
the
east
of
the
subject
property,
and
that
is
the
property,
that's
occupied
by
a
gravel
parking
area
in
the
rear
yard.
N
With
concerns
in
regards
to
the
potential
for
overlook
into
their
property,
so
it
is
something
that
staff
have
looked
at
and
in
this
instance,
the
applicant
has
provided
a
quite
significant
rear
yard
setback
so
from
the
rear
of
the
proposed
edition
to
the
rear
lot
line.
There's
a
setback
of
about
22.7
meters
and
and
the
in
the
zoning
bylaw,
a
setback
of
a
minimum
setback
of
7.5
meters
is
required
in
the
rear
yard
in
the
a
zone.
N
D
C
Good,
thank
you
very
much
that
was
very
complete.
I
was
just
looking
for
the
particular
one,
so
I
appreciate
that
the
staff
and
the
developer
have
been
able
to
work
work
that
out
my
my
next
question
is
rather
more
fundamental.
I
think-
and
that
is
that
you
indicated-
and
it's
in
the
report
more
than
once,
that
the
by
the
existing
bylaw
prohibits
the
extension,
expansion
or
structured
alternation
of
existing
multi-family
dwellings
that
have
the
effect
of
adding
new
foray
or
dwelling
units
in
one
or
two
family
dwelling
e
zones.
C
C
N
But
it
would
be
staff's
interpretation
of
that
provision
that
it's
intended
to
prohibit
the
expansion
of
multi-unit
dwellings
as
of
right
and
to
direct
them
through
an
appropriate
planning
act
process.
In
instances
where
property
owners
are
interested
in
expanding
those
existing
uses
that
may
have
legal
non-complying
status
or
may
be
permitted
by
way
of
minor
variants,
as
is
the
case
in
this
property.
N
N
C
Well,
I've
seen
these
go
in
here,
legally,
okay
and
and
be
perpetuated
by
essentially
allowed
by
the
city,
and
so
I'm
very
concerned
with
I'm
beginning
to
realize.
I
should
be
even
more
concerned
with
how
these
things
happen
like
I
can
see
that
there's
an
extensive
rear
yard
there
in
in
modern
terms,
great
wasted
space,
but
that
part
of
it
doesn't
bother
me
on
a
personal
level.
C
What
I
see
is
something
that's
going
on,
that
we
should
look
at
these
minor
variances,
as
that
was
a
one-off
pay,
no
attention
to
it
right
because
they
did
all
kinds
of
stuff
right,
and
I
think,
like
I'm,
I'm
very
concerned
about
this.
So
I
can
tell
you
I
will
I
I
don't
know
what
the
committee's
going
to
do
and
they're
of
course
entitled
to
what
they
do.
I
see
mr
barr,
who
is
mentoring.
Ms
probably
so
he
wants
to
say
something.
Mr
chair.
O
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair
councillor,
hutches,
and
I
do
want
to
chime
in
on
this
a
little
bit
just
to
provide
a
little
context
and
palsy
and
how
it's
changed
over
time.
So
the
planning
act
as
well.
As
you
know,
our
municipal
policies
and
provincial
policies
have
changed
dramatically
over
time
and
since
the
minor
variance
was
issued
in
1982,
which
allowed
this
triplex
to
happen,
plenty
regulations
and
policies
have
evolved.
O
So
our
understanding
of
how
these
things
applied
have
evolved
and
the
applicants
in
1982
went
through
the
appropriate
channels
in
order
to
allow
this
triplex
to
occur
on
site,
so
they
managed
to
obtain
the
appropriate
planning
approvals
in
order
to
legally
have
that
triplex
at
nine
cooper
street,
and
what
zoning
bylaw
8499
does
says
is
like
okay.
Well,
this
was
approved.
O
This
is
in
place,
but
if
you
want
to
make
changes,
you
have
to
come
back
to
us
again
to
have
that
re-examined
and
that's
what
we're
here
doing
today,
which
is
how
our
policies
are
set
up
in
order
to
allow
us
to
take
another
look
at
it.
Should
they
propose
built
form,
changes
or
use
changes?
So
if
they
wanted
to
add
additional
uses
or
expand
the
building,
those
would
both
have
to
come
back
to
us
for
review,
which
is
what
we're
here
reviewing
today.
C
So
unless
there's
some
kind
of
compelling
logic
that
says,
why
would
we
allow
it?
Because
it's
not
just
this
particular
I
mean
counselor.
Neil
knows
this
in
spades
in
winslow
right,
the
the?
Why?
If
the
biology
prohibits
it,
then
why
would
we
allow
it
because
we're
the
biggest
thing
where
the
whole
central
growth
strategy
is
all
about
protecting?
C
C
C
Minor
variance
or
no
variance,
this
is
the
planning
logic
that
gets
us
to
this
exception,
because
this
is
an
exception
and
it
seems
to
me
my
time.
I'm
planning
something,
but
my
time
in
council
is
fairly
over.
You
know
some
would
say
over
overly
long.
The
tells
me
that
if
you
don't
stick
to
it,
you're
going
to
have
trouble
down
the
line
and
I've
seen
a
couple,
especially
in
the
last.
C
H
C
O
So
through
you,
mr
chair,
casper
hutchison,
you
are
correct.
We're
we
are
staff,
making
a
recommendation
to
planning
committee
this
evening
based
on
the
city's
policies
that
are
currently
in
place,
as
well
as
the
regulations
that
are
before
us
and
planning
best
practices.
So
it's
your
decision
as
planning
committee,
whether
to
approve
or
deny
or
defer
an
application,
but
we've
brought
forward
an
application
here
today
that
looks
at
the
existing
policies
that
were
in
place
and
the
policy
in
place
prohibits
expansions
as
of
right.
O
So
the
ability
to
just
go
straight
to
a
building
permit
for
existing
multi-family
units
within
this
particular
zone
within
the
city,
which
is
why
the
applications
have
applied
for
the
sorry,
which
is
why
the
applicants
have
applied
for
the
application
that
they
have
here
this
evening,
which
is
their
right
under
the
planning
act
in
order
to
have
this
decision
considered
by
planning
committee.
So
I
know
ms
robidu
and
her
report
and
the
one
supported
by
staff
is
to
recommend
this
approval.
O
C
A
H
A
A
I
don't
know
I
would
imagine
there
were
five
at
least
five
cars
there
and
I
believe,
if
I'm
not
mistaken
legally,
there
only
should
have
been
one.
The
reality
is
that,
like
in
williamsville,
these
will
be
adult
bedrooms
and
if
there's
14
bedrooms-
and
we
only
provide
three
three
parking
spaces-
we
are
going
to
be
faced
with
all
kinds
of
complaints
from
the
neighbors
whose
sidewalks
are
being
blocked
and
other
things.
So
I'm
really-
and
I
know
that
we're
we've
been
talking
for
years
now.
A
Sorry,
I'm
about
to
have
a
rant.
We've
been
talking
for
years
about
how
we're
going
to
do
what
other
university
cities
like
guelph
and
others
have
done,
which
is
have
it
as
a
per
bedroom
rather
than
per
unit,
and
we
keep
talking
about
it
and
it
never
happened,
never
seems
to
be
any
closer
to
happening
it's
under
review.
A
I
cannot
support
a
motion.
That's
going
to
have
14
bedrooms
and
3
parking
spaces,
I'll
say
that
right
up
front
because
that's
going
to
be
hell
for
the
district
councillor
and
it's
going
to
become
hell
in
williamsville,
because
future
applicants
are
going
to
be
asking
for
those
multiple
numbers
of
of
of
bedrooms
and
minimal
parking
spaces.
A
A
So
I
don't
believe
mr
kylie
or
mr
miss
robido
were
with
us.
Perhaps
mr
park
wasn't
as
well,
but
council
was
about
to
pass
an
interim
control
bylaw
about
what
was
called
monster
editions
and
we
had-
and
I
will
tell
you
the
votes
were
there
to
have
an
interim
control
by
law
which,
for
one
or
two
years,
would
have
ended
all
construction
in
in
the
university
district
or
beyond
in
the
core
of
the
city.
N
N
Currently,
the
applicant
is
also
proposing
some
vice
formal
bicycle
parking
spaces
on
site
that
meet
the
requirements
of
the
bylaw
in
terms
of
design.
But
in
terms
of
number,
do
you
exceed
the
requirements
of
the
bylaw,
so
that
will
further
contribute
to
to
providing
for
the
needs
of
future
tenants.
In
that
regard,
I
I
personally
can't
speak
to
your
second
point
in
terms
of
the
motion
that
was
previously
considered
of
counsel
regarding
additions
that
were
being
seen
in
the
city
of
kingston.
N
As
you
noted,
I
wasn't
with
the
city
at
that
time,
but
I'll
certainly
defer
to
mr
barr
mr
park,
if
they
have
any
understanding
of
that
prior
motion
and
the
direction
that
staff
had
taken
on
that
item,
and
in
regards
to
your
question
on
windows
for
bedrooms
under
the
ontario
building
code,
every
bedroom
would
certainly
require
a
window,
but
I
will
open
it
up
to
mr
sands,
the
applicant
to
speak
to
that
further.
If
he
wishes.
I
M
You
thank
thank
you
through
you,
mr
vice
chair.
Unfortunately,
I
can't
speak
to
the
background
on
that,
because
I
was
not
with
the
city
of
kingston
at
that
time.
However,
I
would
like
to
just
remind
the
committee
that
council
did
just
recently
approve
a
report
at
council
in
april
on
second
residential
units,
which
limited
bedroom
counts
in
over
two
residential
units
to
eight,
and
that
is
the
way
we
had
proposed
to
move
forward
to
control
this
type
of
development.
I
P
A
So
my
easiest
question
was:
I
answered
my
other
question
answers
to
seeking
an
answer.
I
guess
I
know
that
we
can
and
I'm
I'm
looking
to
our
planning
staff
for
this.
I
know
that
we
can
entrench
in
the
zoning
the
number
of
bedrooms-
and
we
do
that
quite
frequently-
and
I'm
assuming
we'll
be
doing
that
in
this
case
as
well,
because
and
counselor
hutchinson
will
attest
to
this
as
well.
N
Thank
you
through
you,
mr
chair.
Thanks
for
those
further
questions
in
regards
to
the
bedroom
piece,
you're,
absolutely
correct.
We
have
included
in
the
drafts
owning
bylaw
a
provision
to
specifically
limit
or
place
a
limitation
on
the
maximum
number
of
bedrooms
within
this
site-specific
zone
would
be
14
bedrooms,
so
there
wouldn't
be
further
mechanisms
put
in
place
to
limit
the
potential
for
legal
bedrooms
to
be
established
on
the
property.
N
I
know
that
there
is
a
report
coming
forward
to
planning
committee
very
shortly
in
regards
to
the
proposed
parking
rates
for
the
new
zoning
bylaw
and
that
staff
are
working
hard
to
consider
different
approaches
to
establishing
parking
rates
across
the
city,
including
looking
at
the
potential
for
an
approach
by
bedroom
number.
So
that's
certainly
something
that
staff
are
looking
at
in
bringing
forward
with
the
new
zoning
bylaw.
But
as
you're
aware,
the
current
zoning
bylaws
regulate
number
of
parking
spaces
by
unit
generally.
So
that's
not
something
that's
in
in
place
currently.
P
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
just
to
further
miss
robidu's
comments
on
this
application,
specifically
recognizing
that
the
municipality
is
working
onerously
forward
with
respect
to
amending
parking
regulations.
The
draft
bylaw
that
we
have
before
you
this
evening
for
this
parcel
regulates
both
a
minimum
and
a
maximum
parking
perspective
for
parking
perspective
on
site.
There's
a
minimum
parking
requirement
of
one
parking
space
per
unit,
so
three
parking
spaces
are
required
to
comply
with
that
three
unit
proposal,
but
further
to
that
there
is
a
maximum
parking
area
prescribed
to
50
square
meters
in
the
rear
yard.
P
So
there's
not
an
ability
on
this
site
to
accommodate
a
fourth
parking
space,
because
that
would
exceed
the
50
square
meter
maximum.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
the
fact
that,
although
it's
an
ongoing
consideration
of
the
municipality
in
how
to
best
regulate
the
uniqueness
of
this
application
has
already
been
included
by
ms
robidu's
draft
bylaw
before
you
this
evening.
Thank
you.
F
P
Mr
chair,
I
can
speak
to
that
as
part
of
the
conceptual
layout
based
on
where
the
three
parking
spaces
are
located,
as
well
as
the
rear
addition.
There
would
be
zero
trees
that
are
currently
on
site
that
need
to
be
removed
to
facilitate
that
development.
All
the
trees
are
along
the
perimeter
at
the
rear,
the
rear
lot
line,
and
they
would
all
be
maintained.
F
H
A
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
through
you
for
members
of
the
public
who
are
still
with
us
this
evening.
If
you
would
like
to
speak
during
this
portion
of
the
meeting,
we
will
require
you
to
raise
your
hand
and
zoom
again.
This
is
found
at
the
bottom
of
your
screen
when
you
move
the
mouse
over
the
zoom
window
and
mr
chair,
I
do
see
that
we
have
one
hand.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
mr
sido
if
you'd
like
to
unmute
himself,
please.
Q
Yes,
thank
you
good
evening,
mr
chair
and
planning
committee
members.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
was
really
heartened
to
hear
the
the
earlier
discussion
and
also
the
conversation
about
this
proposal.
I
submitted
a
written
comment
that
was
referred
to
by
councillor
hutchinson,
so
I
and
he
I
think
very
well.
Multiple
counselors
very
well
addressed
the
the
broader
issue
that
I
raised
in
my
written
comment
about
these
monster.
Rental
houses.
Q
Q
So
one
specific
question
I
had
was
about
the
privacy
I'm
owner
and
occupant
for
18
rl,
and
so
the
the
application
didn't
really
wasn't
clear
to
me
at
least
about
the
trees.
So
I'm
very
heartened
to
hear
that
the
plan
right
now
is
we're
going
to
retain
those
trees
at
the
rear
of
the
property,
because
they
do
provide
quite
a
lot
in
terms
of
privacy
and
shade.
Q
My
question
now
is
more
general
again,
which
is,
I
think
it
was
mr
parks
who
raised
this
point,
that
in
april,
council
had
passed
a
bylaw
that
was
going
to
limit
the
number
of
bedrooms
and,
as
I
understood
it,
that
that
is
currently
under
appeal,
and
so
I
wonder
I
mean
to
have
this.
Many
bedrooms
requires
variances,
multiple
variances
and
so
given.
L
Q
Where
council
is
going
in
recognition
of
this
problem
of
monster,
rental
housing,
really
changing
the
character
and
livability
of
the
downtown
area?
Why
would
why
would
the
city
want
to
approve
these
kinds
of
applications
pending
the
results
of
that
appeal
like?
In
other
words,
if
the
appeal
is
unsuccessful,
and
there
is
in
fact
going
to
be
a
cap
on
the
number
of
bedrooms
allowed
based
on
dwelling
units,
which
I
am
100
in
support
of?
Q
It's
almost
like
these
applications
right
now
could
kind
of
get
in
under
the
bar
pending
that
appeal.
So
why
not
put
a
freeze
on
these
kinds
of
applications
and
see
see
what
the
outcome
is,
because
I
it
sounds
like
there
was.
You
know,
council
support
for
it.
I
don't
know
what
grounds
so
the
appeal
would
be
on.
Obviously,
I'm
not
you
know
involved
in
that
level
of
proceedings
if
it's
if
it
goes
through
these
kinds
of
applications.
A
A
R
R
Now
you
want
to
add
more
every
after
every
event,
st
patrick's
day
homecoming.
When
you
look
in
the
paper,
the
police
have
always
been
to
cooper
street.
So
there's
an
issue
with
noise
and
density
and
such
the
other
issue
is
the
parking
spots.
You're
absolutely
correct.
14
bedrooms
means
14
luxury
cars
come
to
that
house
and
they
will
probably
fill
the
green
space.
A
N
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
thanks
for
those
questions
and
I'll
address,
mr
cedo's
questions
first.
So
in
regards
to
the
proposed
amendments
that
were
put
forward
by
the
city
to
apply
city-wide
in
regards
to
a
maximum
number
of
bedrooms
to
be
applicable
on
low
density
residential
properties.
N
So
it's
kind
of
two
pieces
to
that
as
it
applies
to
this
application,
and
the
first
would
be
that
this
application
was
submitted
as
a
complete
application
back
in
2019,
which
was
significantly
in
advance
of
when
those
proposed
amendments
were
brought
forward.
And
so
it
is
to
be
considered
under
the
the
policy
framework
that
existed
at
that
time.
N
So
without
a
planning
application
being
brought
forward
to
the
city.
So
it
does
leave
the
opportunity
open
for
on
on
larger
parcels
that
can
appropriately
accommodate
larger
units
with
more
than
a
total
of
eight
bedrooms.
Across
the
property
and
subject
to
stop
staff's
review
through
a
planning
application
such
as
this
one,
that
opportunity
would
still
be
there
should
those
amendments
come
into
effect
at
a
future
time.
N
P
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Further
to
miss
robadoo's
comments.
I
think
she
very
elegantly
addressed
the
commentary
and
questions
received
from
from
members
of
the
public
and
community
here
before
us
this
evening.
I
I
also
just
want
at
this
time
to
point
out
and
and
make
draw
notion
to
the
fact
that
this
application
was
submitted
nearly
two
years
ago.
P
At
that
time,
there
has
been
significant
change
to
the
conceptual
layout
on
site
to
try
to
align
more
appropriate
intensification
by
accommodating
some
additional
dwelling
units
in
the
core
serviced
area
of
the
city,
with
an
appropriate
design
and
an
appropriate
layout,
given
the
surrounding
neighborhood
built,
form
and
scale
of
those
of
those
builds.
So
you
know,
for
example,
the
the
number
of
bedrooms
has
has
dropped
by
five.
P
So
there
was
significant
change
with
respect
to
utilizing
on-site,
a
driveway
to
get
access
to
the
rear
yard
and
what
we've
already
discussed
this
evening
about
removing
any
front
yard
parking
violations
to
screen
that
in
the
rear
yard,
as
opposed
to
out
along
the
cooper
street
frontage.
As
we've
also
noted,
building
depth
has
been
been
dropped
and
and
designed
to
be
exceeding
the
neighboring
building
by
a
mere
two
meters
or
seven
seven
and
a
half
feet.
So
I
and
and
most
importantly,
I'd
also
note.
P
In
2017,
there
was
a
fairly
significant
change
that
came
along
in
the
city
of
kingston
that
implemented
a
30
landscaped
open
space
provision,
which
was
one
that
is
very
difficult
on
some
undersized
lots
throughout
the
municipality
and
specifically
the
downtown
core.
In
achieving
intensification,
which
we
all
know
is
the
driver
of
the
province
through
the
pps
and
the
30
provision
is
greatly
exceeded.
P
On
this
parcel,
giving
consideration
to
the
three
on-site
parking
spaces,
the
detached
accessory
structure,
that's
proposed
to
house
six,
minimum
bicycle
parking
spaces,
as
well
as
the
the
dwelling
as
along
with
approximately
47
percent
so
fit.
You
know
short
of
50
percent
of
the
of
the
space
of
this
800
square
meter.
Lot
is
still
proposed
to
be
maintained
as
open
green
space
which
which
exceeds
by
nearly
15
percent
what
the
minimums
are
across
the
city.
P
So
I
just
again
wanted
to
to
raise
the
evolution
that
the
applicant
has
worked
very
closely
with
staff,
as
ms
robidu
has
mentioned,
and
tried
to
come
to
a
a
proposal
that
is
considered
appropriate,
desirable
that
meets
the
objectives
of
the
province
and
the
city
with
respect
to
appropriate
infill
development
and
intensification
within
its
core.
I
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
this
evening.
Thank
you.
I
A
M
A
A
A
Okay,
I
will
now
ask
for
a
recess,
because
the
protocol
that
we've
established,
I
believe-
and
a
clerk
can
speak
to
this-
is
we
need
to
recess
for
at
least
five
minutes,
and
the
clerk
can
speak
to
this
in
order
for
us
to,
and
this
would
be
for
the
people
who
voted
against
it
to
to
draft
the
rationale
for
why
we
voted
against
it.
So
could
I
have
a
motion
to
recess
for
five
or
ten
minutes?
A
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
you,
you
are
correct
that
we
do
require
a
motion
with
the
reasons
for
the
denial
of
the
application,
and
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
that
in
writing
from
the
committee.
Therefore,
a
a
recess
is
definitely
an
order
and
to
allow
the
committee
to
to
do
so,
and
I
see
that
councillor
hutchinson
has
appointed
a
quarter.
C
It's
not
working,
no,
it's,
it
is
there.
Okay,
sometimes
sometimes
the
clerk
and
I
are
competing
to
see
who
can
do
it.
Maybe
it
seems
to
me-
and
she
is
invariably
correct,
of
course
the
it
seems
to
me-
do
we
have
to
give
this
rationale
now
or
have
it
prepared
for
counsel,
because
I've
only
ever
seen
this
happen
at
council
that
I
can
remember,
and
so
I'm
I'm
looking
for
the
guidance
from
the
chair.
I
believe
the
director
is.
A
The
excuse
me
not
the
next
council,
but
the
council
after
that.
So
so
I
will
let's
take
a
10
minute
recess,
get
our
ducks
in
order
and
decide.
Then,
when
we
reconvene
whether
we
want
to
give
us
and
whether
we
need
to
give
ourselves
a
little
bit
longer
period
of
time,
I've
been
a
little
frustrated
at
times
with
the
rule
that
if
you
vote
against
something
in
a
scramble,
you
have
to
do
something
immediately
afterwards.
A
A
A
Okay
and
madam
clerk,
if
you
could
speak
to
this,
I
don't
remember
any
council
ever
passing
this
as
a
requirement
or
the
planning
committee
ever
passing
this
as
a
requirement
of
of
the
committee.
If
we
happen
to
say
no
to
something
it's
frustrating
because
it
truly
is
especially
if
we're
approaching
midnight
which
we
haven't.
Thankfully,
thanks
to
staff
done
in
the
last
little
while,
but
it's
definitely
a
disincentive
for
us
to
rush
through
a
decision
that
probably
needs
a
little
bit
longer
time.
So.
But
if
you
could
speak
to
that,
madam
clerk.
B
B
However,
it
is
a
process
that
kingston
has
adopted
and
has
traditionally
upheld
through
the
planning
committee
to
provide
the
rationale
for
the
denial
which
is
then
agreed
to
by
the
committee
through
a
vote
and
included
as
part
of
the
the
minutes
for
this
meeting
if
it
pleases
the
committee.
What
we
can
do
is
if,
if
mr
chair,
if
you're
okay
with
taking
a
brief
recess,
I
can
quickly
check
check
on
this
and
and
come
back
with
a
more
complete
response
as
to
the
proper
procedural
avenue
to
take
at
this
time.
A
A
I
believe
councilor
hutchison
raised
some
strong,
a
strong
rationale
from
the
perspective
of
the
wording
of
of
the
previous
bylaw,
but
there
are
other
issues
that
we
should
bring
up
as
well.
So
so
are
people
comfortable
with
with
doing
that,
I
don't
want
to
leave
counselor
kylie
out,
but
he
didn't
vote
against
this,
so
the
peop,
the
people
who
need
to
defend
the
vote
are
actually
counselor.
Osanac
myself
and
councillor
hutchinson,
yes,
counselor
kylie.
I
Neal,
provided
the
clerk
comes
back
with
the
recommendation,
further
information
that
it
will
proceed
as
described.
Do
we
get
another
chance
to
speak
against
the
the
new
motion
that
was
the
okay?
Now
I'm
getting
caught
up
in
this,
so
essentially,
what
I'm
wanting
to
know
is,
if
we
have
your
yourself,
counselor,
sanic
and
counselor
hutcheson,
put
something
together.
Does
that
become
a
motion
at
this
committee
that
we
then
vote
on
again.
A
I
Fair
enough,
okay,
so
as
sorry,
if
I
may
just
yeah,
please
do
yeah
no
problem
just
as
the
dissenting
voice.
I
realize
I
didn't
articulate
myself
at
this
juncture
because
I
thought
planters
had
done
a
fine
job
in
defending
their
case
at
council,
because
it's
a
report
to
council.
I
am
able
to
speak
to
my
position
on
it
at
that
point,
I'm.
H
B
Mr
chair,
you
are
correct
that
when
this
does
come
back
to
council,
all
members
of
council
have
an
opportunity
to
debate
it
as
it
is
a
motion
on
the
floor
as
a
as
the
question
was
to
whether
or
not
the
recommendation
or
sorry,
the
reasons
for
denial
are
to
be
are
able
to
be
discussed.
I
I
am
not
entirely
certain
at
this
time.
H
F
Yeah
through
you,
mr
chair,
like
I've,
been
on
planning
committee
since
2007
all
years
except
one
year,
and
this
has
just
been
a
new
rule-
that's
come
out
of
the
air
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
like
I
remember,
2007
2010
council
voting
things
down,
and
then
we
just
talked
about
it
and
debated
it
again
when
it
came
to
planning
committee
or
sorry
when
it
came
to
council.
When
the
denial
came
from
planning
committee
to
the
council
floor,
we
just
you
know,
debated
it
again
there.
F
F
So
even
this
rationale
like
we
never
had
to
prepare
a
rationale
to
then
debate
like
in
the
earlier
day
and-
and
so
I
would
say
whatever
we
do
tonight
like
we
have
until
the
week
but
prior
to
our
june
22nd
meeting
to
then
throw
something
together
to
make
sure
it's
on
the
june
22nd
agenda,
like
that's
even
new.
We
we
never
did
that
in.
A
F
A
I
I've
been
on
planning
or
attended
planning
meetings
throughout
ever
since
2010
and
I
think
it
was
2014,
maybe
that
I
came
on
as
a
as
a
voting
member,
but
this
was
a
protocol
and
a
policy
that
just
seemed
to,
and
I
don't
remember
any
council
ever
debating
it.
I
don't
remember
the
committee
ever
debating
it.
It
just
seemed
to
crop
up.
If
you
vote
against
something
you
need
to
write
the
rationale
and
you
need
to
do
it
right
away
and
so
counselor
hutchinson.
A
C
C
C
A
C
Well,
it's
kind
of
hard.
I
have
it
here
yeah.
I
know
he
says
it's
a
motion,
but
that
motion
will
come
with
counsel.
We
don't
have
to
do
it
now.
We
okay,
whatever
we've
done
rightly
and
wrongly,
we've
done
okay
and
then
we
can
do
right,
devise
a
rationale
and
I
guess
we'd
have
to.
We
could
present
it
to
council
and
that's
perfectly
fine
right
and
I
will
be
able
to
you
know,
address
it
as
he's.
H
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
through
you.
I
just
wanted
to
to
quickly
respond
to
that
that,
at
this
at
this
point,
if
it
is
the
will
of
the
committee
not
to
provide
rationale
at
this
time,
that
is
acceptable
and-
and
that
is
a
decision
that
the
committee
can
make
we-
I
will
say
that
rationale
is
generally
given
at
this
level
to
provide
openness
and
transparency
to
the
applicant
and
members
of
the
community
as
to
why
the
application
was
turned
down.
B
However,
the
recommendation
can
be
forwarded
to
council,
the
june
22nd
council
meeting
noted
as
that,
the
committee
has
voted
against
staff's
recommendation
and
it
can
be
determined
at
the
council
council
meeting
whether
or
not
the
application
will
be
approved.
At
that
time.
Rationale
can
be
provided
at
council
as
to
if
it
should
be
denied
a
council
it
can.
A
rationale
can
be
provided
at
that
point.
B
A
I
I
I
agree
with
your
comments
that
it's
a
disincentive
for
folks
to
vote
against
something
and
it
provides
an
unbelievable
burden
on
the
committee
if
committee
members
are
doing
this
as
one
of
many
other
responsibilities
on
council
and
essentially
they'd
be
going
up
against
paid
staff
for
both
the
proponent
and
the
city.
So
I
just
wanted
to
comment,
though,
while
I
disagree
with
the
vote
of
the
other
committee
members
tonight,
I
do
think
the
comments
on
the
procedure
which
we're
not
going
to
follow
if
it
is
even
a
procedure,
were
exactly
accurate.
A
A
That
would
be
my
primary
question
and
if
it
is
a
policy
that
was
accepted
at
council,
it
takes
two-thirds
of
any
committee
to
do
an
action.
That
is
not
withstanding
that,
and
I
think
we
have
more
than
two-thirds
of
this
of
this
committee
who
are
saying
they.
They
need
to
take
a
longer
look
at
this.
So,
okay,
I
believe
we
have
a
mover
and
a
seconder
already,
madam
clerk
for
a
recess,
and
I
would
suggest
a
10-minute
recess,
then
we'll
come
back
and
complete.
A
A
I
M
A
R
M
M
M
A
B
B
You
have
also
been
able
to
speak
directly
with
staff
and
receive
advice
and
counsel
on
on
the
matter,
and
although
council
can
ask
questions
of
staff,
they
they
do
not
have
the
same
experience
nor
the
same
ability
to
really
delve
into
the
materials.
As
this
committee
has.
Therefore,
when
this
committee
provides
its
rationale,
it
is
providing
it
with
having
the
utmost
opportunity
to
review
the
file
for
for
the
applicant
and
to
consider
what
staff
has
put
before
them.
B
Unfortunately,
when
it
is
denied
the
applicant
nor
the
community
is
given
the
same
opportunity
to
understand
why
it
was
that
committee
members
disagreed
with
staff
recommendation,
so
that
is
the
reason
why
the
framework
was
put
in
place
and
why
why
we
tend
to
return
to
it.
Just
for
the
sake
of
openness
and
transparency.
A
I
Through
you,
this
is
a
can
of
worms.
I'd
prefer
not
to
be
open,
but
I
think
it's
been
open
before
so
I'm
diving
right
in-
I
guess
I'm
cautious
here,
because
with
not
a
rationale
from
this
committee
constitute
a
piece
of
evidence
that
could
be
brought
before
the
lpad.
Are
we
asking
three
committee
members
again
contra
the
professional
advice
of
paid
staff
for
both
the
proponent
and
the
city
to
provide
a
documentation
that
could
be
used
in
a
tribunal
process?
Or
is
this
just
kind
of
like?
I
I
Yeah,
this
is
what
I'm
thinking.
I
think
that
yourself,
mr
park
and
the
clerk
have
given
us
earnest
honest
answers.
I'm
not
questioning
that
at
all
just
to
be
clear,
but
I
think
this
is
a
much
bigger
question
than
what
we
should
do
in
the
moment,
and
it
requires
significant
thought,
and
I
think
it
goes
to
counselor
neal's
point
earlier,
which
I
fully
get
behind.
I
This
is
not
a
policy
or
procedure,
and
this
is
just
kind
of
you
know
back
in
the
envelope.
We
recommend
this
as
much
as
I
do
genuinely
respect
what
you're
saying
it
just
isn't,
I
think,
appropriate
to
be
putting
together
something
hastily
that
then
could
be
used
essentially
against
the
city
later
on,
and
just
not
due
diligence
to
do
that.
If
we
don't
have
a
legal
opinion
on
it,.
C
C
The
main
point
for
me
right
now
is:
we
don't
have
to
do
this
now
and
we
shouldn't
do
it
now
and
but
before
a
rationale
had
to
be
provided,
as,
as
mr
park
pointed
out
by
law
right
or
strongly
suggested,
it
was
principally
for
the
sake
of
the
city's
lawyers
that
would
have
to
go
to
the
alpaca
potentially
right
and
the
tricky
part
here
is
not.
You
know
why
it's
turned
down
well,
it
might
be
because
I
haven't
talked
to
counselor
senator
neil
directly
right,
but
is
that
you
know
you
sometimes
supply
alternatives.
C
You
know
then
say
that
they
don't
appear
to
be
capricious
anyway.
I
first
my
personal
opinion
is
that
the
that
we
just
proceed?
We
we
finished
the
meeting
with
is
basically
over
at
this
point
and
and
we'll
we'll
put
together.
The
rationale
in
the
meantime
and
it'll
go
with
the
motion
to
counsel
and
as
per
what
the
clerk
said
and
has
been
she's
been
instructed
to
say
I
take
it
and
it
sounds
familiar
so
it's
it
will
be
used
at
at
the
lpat.
C
Yes
clearly,
unless,
in
the
meantime,
staff
can
go
to
legal
and
say
this
is
what
happened?
Are
we
going
to
do?
What
are
we
going
to
do
the
problem
with
this
before
and
now
that
when
council
goes
against
stats
recommendation
and
I'm
sorry,
staff
is
not
always
right,
we
are
not
afforded
the
of
the
city's
own
planners,
so
we
have
to
do
the
best.
C
We
can
either
that
or
you're
saying
there's
this
brick
wall
and
council
can't
say
no
with
any
meaning
with
any
meaning
right
and-
and
I
know
that
mark
and
the
playing
staff
don't
want
that
either
right.
So
it's
it's
not
something
we're
going
to
solve
tonight.
So
my
view,
we
should
just
continue
with
the
meaning.
C
L
C
C
Have
a
responsibility
and
we'll
try
to
fulfill
it.
Now
I
prefer
to
be
talking
to
money
and
legal,
but
that's
I
think
in
fact
that
is
probably
that's
part
of
what
I'm
saying
that
most
is
in
line
with
what
council
kylie's
concerns
are
that
we
should
be
talking
to
legal
and
planning
and
saying
okay.
We
turned
it
down
sorry
about
that,
but
that's
the
way
we
think
it
should
go.
I
believe.
A
I
believe
that
we
have
a
possible
very
feasible
remedy
for
all
this
I'd
like
to
hear
from
councillor
sanik,
who
had
her
hand
up
and
then
I'll
give
mr
park
an
opportunity
to
speak
again,
but
I
think
there's
a
kind
of
clear
way
that,
with
our
even
given
our
timetable,
we
can
get
through.
All
of
this
counselor.
F
Sonic,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
So
just
like
counselor
hutchinson
said
we
don't
do
anything
further
tonight.
The
committee
reject
declined
the
application
now
yeah.
We
can
get
together
our
little
rationale
because
and
submit
it
with
the
council
agenda
on
june
22nd,
because
that
works
in
our
favor,
because
then
that
gives
the
rest
of
the
council
members
for
them
to
read
what
our
points
are
and
for
them
to
consider
it.
Let's
think
about
heritage
committee
right
we
go
to
council
heritage
committee.
They
either
support
it.
They
don't
they
can.
F
Committee
members,
you
know
voted
on
a
divisive
issue
right
and
then
we
we
get
nothing
going
into
council
and
then
we
have
to
try
to
piece
it
all
together
account.
So
it
would
be
a
lot
easier
if
heritage
committee
also
gave
us
a
rationale
when
something
was
going
against
the
staff
recommendation,
because
that
would
help
us
as
council
members
who
aren't
on
heritage
committee
decide.
F
So
we
will
give
a
rationale
for
the
june
22nd
meeting
that
everyone
can
see
ahead
of
time
when
the
council
agenda
comes
out
and
then
what
happened
and
like
council
could
say
they
could
approve
it
like
you
did
counselor
kylie
and
then
we
lose.
But
then
the
application
goes
forward
and
then
we
didn't
have
to
waste
too
much
time
on
it
right,
but
just
say
that
council
actually
does
decline.
This
application.
F
I
will
have
the
rationale
and
then
what
happens
is
that
the
city
hype
outside
legal
lawyer
right
because
we'll
be
going
against
the
staff
recommendation
and
it
goes
in
camera
and
so
in
2007
we
voted
against
an
apartment
building
that
staff
had
recommended
to
go
forward.
So
we
in
open
session
at
council
right
we
debated.
Do
we
support
planning
committee?
Do
we
do
we
approve
that
application
and
it
was
decided
that
council
said
no
we'll
decline
the
application?
F
So
then
we
went
in
camera
and
then
the
lawyer
that
was
hired
to
to
represent
council
right.
We
gave
the
same
rationale
to
that
lawyer
that
we
did
at
that
council
meeting.
You
know
in
public
and
then
that
lawyer
gave
the
opinion,
saying
you
don't
have
a
chance
or
maybe
you
do
have
a
chance
and
even
then
council
could
decide.
Oh,
mr
lawyer,
mrs
lawyer,
we
really
don't
have
a
chance
and
they'll
go.
A
A
First
of
all,
we've
heard
that
legally
under
the
previous
govern
provincial
government,
this
was
a
requirement
it's
been
tossed
out
by
by
by
the
current
government,
so
we're
not
obligated
to
do
this,
but
I
think
I
would
agree
with
the
wind
government.
It's
a
sensible
thing
to
do.
We
have
a
meet.
I
believe
that
we
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
believe
we
have
a
planning
meeting
next
thursday.
A
A
So
the
planning
report,
when
it
goes
to
council
10
days
later,
has
the
information
the
public
have
the
information,
the
the
proponent
has
the
information
we
have
six
days
to
to
kind
of
come
up
with
a
rationale,
a
formal,
sensible
rationale
to
explain
why
we
just
voted
the
way
we
did
does
that
I
see
a
thumbs
up
or
a
finger
up,
go
ahead,
yes,
counselor
kylie
and
then
counselors.
I.
I
A
Well,
it
would
still
even
work
with
the
17th
as
well,
but
we
could-
or
we
could
could
still
meet
next
week-
hammer
it
out
and
send
it
as
an
information
report
to
to
to
be
included
with
with
this
and
just
make
sure
just
the
the
way.
The
clerk's
off
and
planning
always
does
that.
Members
of
the
public
that
have
expressed
an
interest
in
this
file
and
the
proponent
jason
sands
receive
a
copy
of
it
in
a
timely
fashion.
M
Through
you,
mr
chair,
I
I
believe
what
you're
proposing
is
is
a
reasonable
option.
I
do
wish
to
clarify.
There's
been
some
further
information
provided
to
me.
This
isn't
the
first
time
this
this
debate
has
come
up,
I
think
either
through
council
or
committee,
and
I
think
what
what
madam
clerk
and
I
were
were
trying
to
express
is.
Yes,
there
were
changes
in
the
legislation
there.
M
What
was
being
suggested
was.
This
has
been
recommended
as
a
best
practice.
There
is
no
procedural
bylaw
that
says
committee
has
to
do
this.
At
the
moment
it's
been
suggested,
it's
best
practice
so
again,
going
back
to
what
you
have
just
put
on
the
the
table.
As
a
suggestion,
I
think,
is
a
reasonable
solution
to
bring
forward.
M
A
Reasonable,
it's
not
best
practice
so
so.
For
that
reason
I
think
I
I
agree-
and
I
think
maybe
the
committee
or
a
couple
of
us
should
craft
a
policy
to
take
to
council
that
truly
makes
a
best
practice
of
this
and
recognizes
why
it's
important
that
we
do
this
and
counselor
hutcheson's
act.
Absolutely
right.
C
C
Adhering
to
the
bylaws
under
certain
circumstances,
at
the
very
least
so
the
so
I
like,
I
said
before
I
I
agree
that
we
shouldn't
be
deciding
now
and
we
should
try
to
get
it
either
before
council
or
planning
as
quickly
as
possible
and
let
them
you
know
let
the
votes
fall
where
they
may.
Should
we
give
an
explanation?
Yes,
for
the
very
reasons
the
clerk
mrs
fawcett
pointed
out
right
and
mr
park
is
backed
up,
so
we're
not
gonna
do
it
tonight.
C
I
I
really
don't
want
to
do
it
tonight,
because
I
know
basically
why
I
voted
against
it,
but
counselor
neal
pointed
out
that
there
might
be
other
reasons
and
and
so
they,
if
so,
they
should
be
included,
but
you
got
to
think
that
through
now
the
way
I
just
want
to
say
one
small
thing,
the
way-
and
this
is
addressed
to
the
acting
director.
The
way
I
think
this
should
work
is
that
the
pioneers
that
are
directly
involved,
we
can't
go
to
them
because
they
could
be
called
by
the
opponent.
C
The
the
applicant
I'll
be
clear
to
an
alpaca
tribune
to
talk
about
why
they
said
it
was.
Okay
right
now
I
know
it's
a
departmental
thing,
but
I
really
think
access
to
a
planner
for
those
who
vote
no
should
also
be
afforded
for
because-
and
I
don't
know
if
they're
on
staff-
I'd
be
fine
with
that
myself,
but
it
just
to
make
sure
it
has
a
professional
and
perturb
connected
to
it.
C
A
A
If
we,
if
we
end
up,
if
council
ends
up
supporting
our
no
vote,
then
we
also
have
an
opportunity
in
camera
to
say:
yes,
we
want
to
defend
this
lpat
and
then
we
have
an
external
planner
to
to
tell
us
yes
or
no.
This.
You
have
a
good
shot
at
this,
so
so
I
think
I
I
agree
with
rob
that
we
should
counselor
hutchinson.
There's
too
many
robs
in
the
room
and
we
we
should
get
it
done.
We
should
get
it
done
responsibly.
F
A
F
I
I'm
hesitant
mr
chair,
to
tell
you
the
truth
and
I'm
not
trying
to
throw
a
wrench
contrarian
I'd
like
this
to
be
figured
out
at
another
time,
but
I
do
need
to
voice
my
concern
that
if
additional
reasons
are
brought
up
in
this
rationale,
that's
presented
to
council
as
a
reason
why
committee
voted
against
it,
but
they
weren't
actually
expressed
by
committee.
That
puts
someone
like
myself.
I
It
just
happens
to
me
bb
tonight,
but
another
person
that
might
have
voted
against
something
in
a
bit
of
an
awkward
spot
if
more
details
have
been
given
in
a
rationale
than
we
actually
voted
on
tonight.
So
I'm
wondering
if
I'm
not
sure
you,
mr
chair
or
someone
else,
could
comment
on
that,
because
it
seems
a
bit
strange
to
me.
A
Yeah
counselor
hutcheson,
I
would
suggest,
had
had
a
rationale
that
I
agreed
with,
but
a
different
rationale
than
the
points
that
I
was
trying
to
make,
which
I
think
I
made
publicly
or
that
counselor
osanac
made
some
of
those
same
or
different
points.
So
you're
right
we're
not
looking
to
dig
up
a
whole
new
un
undiscussed
un
presented
at
the
committee
rationale.
I
C
H
C
I
have
I've
said
well,
this
is
positive
for
this
and
this
is
negative
and
in
the
end
I
vote.
Obviously
I
have
to
go
one
way
or
the
other
and
other
counselors
may
or
may
not
be
persuaded
by
the
second
last
thing
I
or
someone
else
said
right.
So
the
thing
is
that
I
agree
you
shouldn't
go
on
digging
around
for
it,
but
I
don't
think-
and
certainly
not
in
this
case
you
should.
But
it's
you
know
the
the
rationale
has
to
come
out
in
the
explanation.
We
have
to
supply
it
and
you.
I
I
A
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair
for
you,
and
I
I
hear
you
and
I
am
genuinely
trying
to
understand
both
sides
of
this,
I'm
wondering
if
staff
would
comment,
because
again,
I'm
feeling
like
we're
in
hot
water
here
we're
saying
we
can
add
additional
details
that
are
probably
related
but
not,
and
it's
still
an
official
report
from
count
or
two
council
that
could
go
before
the
lpat.
It
just
seems
pretty
mired.
A
M
A
S
Good
evening,
mr
chair,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak,
just
hoping
I
can
provide
a
little
bit
of
of
clarification
here.
It
is
rare
that
the
committee
in
the
last
couple
of
years
has
turned
down
or
recommended
that
a
an
application
not
be
approved.
There's
there's
only
a
couple
that
jumped
to
mind
for
me
at
one
time
there
was
rationale
provided
at
the
committee
and
in
another
occasion
rationale
was
not
provided
at
the
committee.
S
S
The
mechanism
for
elected
officials
to
bring
something
forward
on
an
agenda
is
by
way
of
emotion,
so
we
would
need
rationale
in
the
form
of
a
new
motion
moved
and
seconded
that
could
be
included
on
the
council
agenda
and
when
that
agenda
is
put
together,
we
could
include
a
note
in
the
agenda
that
would
indicate
that
that
new
motion
is
to
be
considered
in
conjunction
with
the
report
from
planning
committee.
That
is
recommending
that
the
application
for
this
that
this
application
be
denied.
S
S
A
C
C
When
explaining
things
you
you
have
to
flush
them
out
sometimes
and
play,
and
that
we
don't
always
know
why
our
compatriots,
our
colleagues
voted
the
way
they
did
right
and
but
when
it
comes
down
to
trying
to
explain
it
to
somebody,
then
you
you
know.
Okay,
and
you
may
not
help
you,
but
it
might
change
your
mind
right
so
that
will
all
come
out
at
council.
A
And
I
think
that
that
that's
a
very
would
be
a
very
positive
thing
so
that
future
planning
committees,
even
if
it
is
only
twice
a
year
when
we
turn
down
a
recommendation,
don't
have
to
spend
all
this
time
kind
of
struggling
to
sort
it
all
out.
But
there's
a
an
established
policy
protocol
timeline
so-
and
I
see
a
few
people
nodding
on
that
so
yeah.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
three,
just
an
apology
to
counselor
hutchinson.
If
he
felt
misrepresented
that
wasn't
my
intent,
I
was
just
trying
to
think
the
potential
implications
of
this
and
they
seemed
hairy
at
best.
So
my
apologies
and
I
understand
what
you're
saying
in
youtube,
counseling
you'll.
So
thank
taking
my
questions.
I
appreciate
it.
No
problem.
A
Sounds
good
yeah
or
everybody
can
just
send
to
me.
You
know
these
I'm
free
at
these
times
and
we
can
sort
it
all
out,
and
I
know
that
counselor
kiley
didn't
vote
in
favor
of
it,
but
as
a
member
of
the
committee,
I
I
have
no
issue
with
him
attending
the
meeting.
If
he
wishes
to
and
it
it
would
be
better.
I
think
if
four
of
us
we
had
four
memories
working
on
on.
What's
just
transpired
than
just
the
three
of
us
so
are:
are
people
comfortable
with
that?