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From YouTube: Kingston Ontario - Planning Committee - April 5, 2018
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Planning meeting from April 5, 2018. For the full meeting agenda visit http://bit.ly/2Na8bXy
A
B
A
Now
call
this
meeting
to
order
seeing
counselor
osanic
on
the
horizon
good
evening.
Somebody
just
rushed
here
from
work.
I
can
tell
so
this
evening
we
have
one
public
meeting
and
that
involves
411
Wellington
Street
and
that's
in
Barry
I'll.
Just
read
the
public
notice
notice
of
collection,
personal
information
collected
as
a
result
of
this
public
hearing
and
on
the
forms
provided
at
the
back
of
the
room,
is
collected
under
the
authority
of
the
Planning
Act
and
will
be
used
to
assist
in
making
a
decision
on
this
matter.
A
All
names
addresses
opinions
and
comments
may
be
collected
and
may
form
part
of
the
minutes
which
will
be
available
to
the
public
questions
regarding
this
collection
should
be
forwarded
to
the
Director
of
Planning
building
and
licensing
services.
The
purpose
of
the
planning
meeting
of
planning
meetings
is
to
represent
planning
applications
in
a
public
forum,
as
required
by
the
Planning
Act
following
presentations
by
the
applicant
committee.
Members
will
be
afforded
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
for
clarification
or
further
information.
A
The
meeting
will
then
be
open
to
the
public
for
comments
and
questions.
Interested
persons
are
requested
to
give
their
name
and
address
for
recording
in
the
minutes.
There
is
also
a
sign-in
sheet
for
interested
members
of
the
public
at
the
back
of
the
room.
No
decisions
are
made
at
public
meetings
concerning
applications.
Unless
otherwise
noted
the
public
meeting
is
held
to
gather
public
opinion.
A
Exemption
to
this
rule
is
outlined
in
bylaw
number
2006,
75
to
delegate
various
planning
approvals
to
staff
and
adopt
certain
procedures
for
the
pros
of
planning
applications
subject
to
delegated
authority
councils.
Council
has
authorized
staff
to
use
discretion
in
determining
if
an
application
can
be
a
combined
public
meeting
comprehensive
report
to
expedite
the
approval
process.
A
Information
gathered
at
public
meetings
is
then
referred
back
to
planning,
building
and
licensing
services
staff
for
the
staff
for
the
preparation
of
a
comprehensive
report
and
recommendation
to
the
planning
committee.
This
means
that
after
the
meeting
tonight,
staff
will
be
considering
the
comments
made
by
the
public
in
their
further
review
of
the
applications.
A
When
this
review
is
completed,
a
report
will
be
prepared
making
a
recommendation
for
action
to
this
committee.
The
recommendation
is
typically
to
approve
with
conditions
or
to
deny
the
committee.
Then
makes
a
recommendation
on
the
applications
to
City
Council
City
Council
has
the
final
say
on
the
applications
from
the
city's
perspective,
following
Council
decision
notice
will
be
circulated
in
accordance
with
the
Planning
Act,
and
anyone
with
an
interest
in
the
matter
may
file
an
appeal.
A
Interested
persons
are
advised
that
if
a
person
or
public
body
does
not
make
oral
submissions
at
a
public
meeting
or
make
written
submissions
before
the
bylaws
passed,
the
person
or
public
body
is
not
entitled
to
appeal.
The
decision
of
council
to
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board
that
should
probably
now
read
the
Ontario
tribunal,
a
local
tribunal.
A
C
C
So
this
application
relates
to
a
property
within
berry
field
village,
it's
located
quite
centrally,
it's
in
the
location
of
the
former
school
that
has
now
been
demolished,
it's
just
to
the
south
of
st.
Mark's,
Anglican
Church,
surrounded
quite
a
bit
by
D
and
D
lands
as
it's
right
on
the
edge
of
Barrie
field
and
close
to
highway
15.
If
you
look
at
berry
field
on
the
whole,
as
most
of
you
know,
there's
the
berry
field
throughout
garden,
you're
close
to
the
Kingston
military
community
sport
center
and
the
Cataraqui
River.
C
As
I
already
said,
this
is
the
site
of
the
J
Horton
public
school
that
was
demolished
the
sites
about
two
and
a
half
hectares
in
size.
It
has
150
metres
frontage
on
Wellington
Street.
This
is
a
rezoning
to
permit
residential
uses,
including
retirement
residence
on
the
site.
This
is
an
interesting
aerial
photo
because
it
does
show
the
site
after
the
school
has
been
demolished
and
you
can
see
where
there
were
the
school
fields
and
to
the
north
quite
a
bit
of
there's,
trees
and
shrubs,
and
things
basically
left
in
a
natural
state.
C
You
can
just
barely
see
that
there
are
some
walking
paths
that
have
happened
just
naturally
by
people
that
go
through
to
the
north,
towards
the
church,
so
I'm
going
to
sort
of
give
a
bit
of
a
policy
context.
That
was
a
locational
context,
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
wants
to
be
put
on
the
site,
some
of
the
consultation
we've
done
and
then
have
a
look
at
the
zoning
that
we've
submitted
to
be
reviewed
and
looked
at
with
city
style.
C
So,
first
of
all,
this
is
an
excerpt
from
the
official
plan,
those
so
the
subject
lands.
There's
two
schedules
that
are
relevant:
first
of
all:
it's
within
a
housing
district
and
also
the
lands
are
designated
residential.
So
clearly
the
intent
has
been
set
in
the
Official
Plan
for
the
lands
to
be
used
for
residential
purposes.
So,
as
we
say
here
in
in
bold,
the
proposed
rezoning
will
implement
official
plan
policy.
That's
already
been
set,
so
currently
the
lands
are
zoned
special
institutional,
I
8.
C
This
is
a
site-specific
zone
that
only
relates
to
the
school
that
was
used
there.
That
was
there
and
is
now
gone.
So,
no
matter
what
is
happening
on
this
site
except
another
school,
a
rezoning
will
have
to
happen
and
again
I
go
back
to
the
fact
that
the
Official
Plan
designates
the
lands
for
residential.
So
that
would
be
the
intent
that
there
be
a
rezoning
to
allow
a
residential
use
as
I'll
talk
about
later
we're
proposing
a
site-specific,
our
three
zone
that
incorporates
provisions
from
existing
zones
within
the
Pittsburgh
Township
zoning
bylaw.
C
Another
document-
that's
very
important-
is
the
very
field
Heritage
Conservation
District
plan,
so
this
whole
area
is
designated
and
this
plan
provides
any
guidelines
for
conservative
heritage
characteristics
of
Barry
field.
So
any
new
development
will
have
to
have
regard
have
to
look
at
this
plan.
It
is
designated
under
part
five
of
the
Heritage
Act,
so
heritage
permit
will
be
required.
C
What
this
means
is
that
this
would
have
to
go
to
the
Heritage
Committee
for
consideration
and
a
recommendation
by
city
staff
and
the
Heritage
Committee
to
council
to
approve
a
heritage
permit
before
anything
could
be
developed
on
this
site.
So,
looking
at
what
we're
doing
right
now,
this
is
purely
an
application
for
rezoning
or
anything
to
actually
happen
on
the
ground.
Here,
there's
a
number
of
things
that
would
have
to
happen
as
I
already
discussed.
You'd
have
to
get
a
heritage
permit
so
detailed
plans,
a
heritage
impact
statement
would
have
to
be
prepared.
C
Very
detailed
drawings
of
an
actual
building
prepared
and
they'd
have
to
be
submitted
first
to
the
city
for
a
city
staff
to
review,
but
also
to
the
heritage
Kingston
committee
to
review
and
recommend
on
an
approval
to
Council
and
then
that
actual
bylaws
passed
by
Council
another
thing:
a
site
plan
control
so
before
a
building
can
actually
get
their
building
permit.
They'd
have
to
enter
into
site
plan
agreement
with
the
city
of
Kingston
the
site
plan
agreement
is
the
very
detailed
document
that
gets
down
into
what
the
actual
site
will
look
like.
C
So
it's
the
layout
of
the
building
on
the
site.
It's
the
number
of
parking
spaces.
It's
where
curbs
go.
It
includes
landscape
plans,
how
the
site
is
serviced,
so
it's
very
detailed
drawings
that
are
needed
to
get
to
the
building
permit
stage.
An
application
we're
not
applying
for
but
I
wanted
to
mention
here
is.
If
there
was
ever
a
land
division
of
some
sort
on
the
site,
if
parcel
was
going
to
be
parceled
off,
it
would
have
to
go
through
a
full
process
again,
so
a
plan
of
subdivision
or
severance
again,
these
are
public
applications.
C
Severance
is
go
through
the
land
division
committee
plan,
a
subdivision
would
come
through
council
and
this
committee.
The
last
thing
that
happens
is
any
zoning
that's
put
on
this
site
will
have
a
holding
provision
attached
to
it.
So
if
you
see
a
zoning
in
the
zoning
bylaw
and
it
has
an
H
on
the
end,
that
means
it
has
the
holding
provision
and
that's
put
there
to
make
sure
that
any
requirements
of
the
city
are
met
before
it
can
actually
again
before
a
building
permit
can
be
issued.
C
So
in
this
case
you
know
that
their
site
plan
has
been
approved
that
the
Heritage
permit
has
been
has
been
achieved.
So,
even
if
this
land
is
zoned
without
all
these
other
application
processes,
a
building
couldn't
actually
happen
so
now
getting
into
looking
a
little
bit
more.
What
the
actually
want
to
do
on
the
site.
C
Actually,
when
the
applicant
first
was
looking
at
this
site
before
they
even
purchased
it,
they
realized
it's
in
the
Barry
field
area
in
this
Heritage
Conservation
District,
and
that
that
comes
with
it
special
considerations
and
things
to
consider
when
they're
figuring
out
what
they're
gonna
put
on
the
site.
So
they
actually
did
go
to
the
berry
field.
Village
Association
they
had
a
couple
of
they
had
one
meeting
with
them
before
they
decided
to
buy
the
property
and
they
showed
a
couple
of
options.
As
you'll
see
there,
the
things
have
evolved
through
discussions.
C
I
won't
go
through
all
the
points
on
my
next
slide,
I'll
get
through
sort
of
what
the
priority
items
are,
but
you
know
one
of
the
first
things
that
came
out
of
those
discussions
was,
you
know
they
showed
two
options:
one
with
parking
on
the
west
side
and
one
with
parking
on
the
east
and
through
discussions
with
residents,
they
realized
parking
on
the
east
is
preferred
and
moving
the
building.
You
know
towards
the
east
and
highway
15.
So
that's
just
one
example.
C
Another
option
was
presented
in
October
of
2017
in
there
it
started
getting
into
looking
a
little
bit
more.
What
might
happen
along
Wellington
Street?
What
would
happen
with
the
roof
pitch,
whether
it
sloped
and
not
sloped,
and
then
sort
of
the
latest
iteration
was
shown
in
November
of
2017,
and
that
also
went
to
Heritage
Committee
just
for
a
pre
consultation
and
get
some
initial
comments
from
them.
C
So,
as
I
said,
there
was
quite
a
bit
of
consultation
back
and
forth.
I
should
have
said.
In
addition,
there
have
been
discussions
with
the
city
of
Kingston
with
planning
staff,
there's
a
pre-application
meeting
and
some
of
the
big
takeaways
in
terms
of
what
the
site
should
look
like
in
the
design.
A
big
one
right
off
the
bat
was
maximizing
open
space
on
the
site,
an
idea
of
creating
a
village
green,
maintaining
the
views
across
the
site
to
st.
Mark's
Church.
The
HCD
actually
speaks
about
specific
sight
lines.
C
To
that
so
be
respecting
those
and
maintaining
them.
There
was
a
desire
to
have
pedestrian
access
through
the
site.
So
if
that
village
green
is
preserved,
that
that
can
be
pedestrian
ways
that
get
head
to
st.
Mark's
Church,
there
was
a
request
to
separate
open
space
from
parking
and
from
the
vehicles.
So,
as
I
said,
parking
lots
were
moved
from
the
west
side
of
the
building
to
the
east,
but
not
only
that
there
aren't
in
the
current
iteration
there,
not
even
any
driveways
on
that
side
of
the
building,
so
the
west
side
of
the
building.
C
C
We
looked
at
having
a
buffer
between
this
development
and
existing
development
to
the
east.
Again
in
this
scenario,
with
that
village
green,
that's
very
naturally
accommodated.
You
can
also
use
that
distance
that
where
this
building
is
proposed
to
be
three
storeys
in
height
that
having
that
distance,
it
creates
a
buffer
between
existing
residential
and
that
slightly
higher
building.
C
So
what
what
the
owner
of
the
lands
would
like
to
do
there
in
their
retirement
residents
business
and
they
want
to
create
a
complex
of
buried,
personal
care
needs
and
different
levels.
So
when
we
talk
about
allowing
townhouses
across
a
long
Wellington
Street
in
those
buildings,
what
we're
looking
at
is
accessible
units
having
elevators
in
the
the
idea
is
to
create
stock
towns
or
sometimes
called
back-to-back
towns,
but
basically
two
units
on
the
first
floor
on
the
second.
C
These
are
independent
living
units
they're
for
people
who
are
probably
in
about
their
70s,
who
are
still
you
know,
driving
their
car
cooking,
all
their
own
meals,
but
occasionally,
whether
it's
due
to
a
spouse,
illness
or
their
illness,
or
they
just
need
a
break
that
they're
able
to
use
the
main
building.
They
could
do
get
meals.
There
go
for
a
haircut
that
kind
of
thing,
but
it's
still
very
independent
living.
C
If
you
move
then
into
the
retirement
residence,
it
will
also
have
small
Suites
one
two-bedroom,
some
other
smaller
Suites
that
are
again
independent,
but
there's
meals
provided
there's
limited
kitchen,
but
people
are
still
you
know
quite
healthy
and
able
to
live
on
their
own
and
they're
moving
in
to
a
higher
level
of
care.
This
isn't
a
nursing
home,
but
it
does
provide
a
higher
level
of
care.
Always
the
idea
of
the
you
know
of
this
idea
of
age
in
place.
C
You
know
going
from
independent
to
needing
a
bit
more
care
but
being
able
to
stay
within
the
same
complex.
You
know
it's
very
familiar
provides
for
all
the
needs,
so
that's
the
intent
for
the
site
is
think
of
it.
As
the
age
in
place,
campus
idea
so
moving
from
there,
you
know
from
the
consultation
with
the
public
and
with
planning
staff
with
coming
up
with
an
idea
of
really
what
they
wanted
to
do
on
the
site.
The
applications
were
made
for
rezoning
in
support
about
a
number
of
studies
have
been
done.
C
A
lot
of
these
studies
are
scoped
because
they're,
not
at
the
really
detailed
planning
stage
of
what
the
buildings
will
look
like.
So
these
have
been
scoped
to
say
that,
yes,
this
site
can
accommodate
these
uses
and
all
for
different
reasons.
So
a
land
use
planning
justification
report,
a
scoped
heritage
impact
statement,
stormwater
management,
servicing
noise
impact
parking
schematic
views
is
that
when
we're
prepared
tree
inventory
in
a
survey
of
the
property,
so
again,
these
were
to
show
that
this
site
is
capable
of
handling
this
type
of
development.
C
So
again,
getting
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
of
exactly
what
they're
proposing
this
drawing
just
shows
more
of
the
site
plan
view
than
some
of
the
other
ones
we
shown
the
retirement
residence
is
three
stories.
That's
proposed,
there's
been
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
about
whether
the
roof
line
should
be
sloped
or
not.
Sloped
and
I'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
more
with
relation
to
the
zoning,
but
it's
all
around
impact
and
I
think
that's
part
of
the
ongoing
discussion
that
will
happen
again
in
the
Heritage
context.
C
C
We've
suggested
a
site-specific,
our
three
zone,
the
our
three
zone
in
Pittsburgh
Township,
is
the
one
that
allows
apartment
buildings
that
zoning
bylaw
doesn't
have
provisions
specifically
for
retirement
residents.
So
we've
used
that
our
three
is
the
basis
because
it
best
captures
a
multi-unit
building,
but
we've
also
pulled
from
surrounding
zones,
so
the
ones
across
the
street,
the
R,
2-1,
sorry,
art,
1-20
and
the
art
2-1,
which
are
the
zones
in
the
surrounding
properties.
C
So
the
again
the
uses
were
suggesting
or
single,
detached,
semi-detached
stacked
row
dwelling
houses
and
the
retirement
residence
for
non-residential
uses
we're
just
including
the
type
of
uses
that
might
be
included
within
the
retirement
residence,
even
though
I
think
that's
usually
expected.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
understood
they'd
be
there
but
they're
intended
to
serve
the
residents
of
that
building.
C
The
lot
frontage
for
a
single
detached
dwelling
is
recommended
at
15
metres.
This
is
what
the
surrounding
zones
have
I
can
tell
you
that's
considerably
higher
than
what
say
a
new
subdivision
in
other
parts
of
the
city
would
have
where
they
typically
have
a
minimum
lot:
frontage
of
9
or
10
meters.
This
is
15
meters,
which
is
considerably
larger
at
the
front
yard.
Depth
that's
proposed
on
Wellington
is
5
meters
and
that's
consistent
with
the
other
properties
on
that
side
of
Wellington
for
the
height
of
the
building.
C
So
in
any
case,
the
the
request
is
for
3
storeys.
There's
a
couple
of
things
to
think
about
here.
Part
of
the
reason
there's
a
couple
of
reasons
for
going
for
3
storeys
one
is
very
functional:
2
how
that
building
the
retirement
residence
will
work.
The
idea
is
to
have
the
common
spaces
all
on
the
main
floor,
so
your
dining
room,
crafts
room
that
kind
of
thing
on
the
main
floor
and
then
rooms
above
that
for
that
building
to
function.
In
terms
of
its
staff
and
serving
its
residents,
that's
the
best
layout.
C
The
other
advantage
in
this
site
for
3
storeys
is
by
keeping
that
building
more
compact
and
not
spread
out.
It
actually
allows
for
that
large
village
green.
It
allows
to
keep
the
building
in
just
a
portion
of
the
site
without
spreading
out
longer
and
wider,
and
so
that
allows
for
that
large
village
green,
open
space
and
preserving
of
the
view
escapes
to
st.
Mark's
Church.
C
C
What
it
does
is
it
considers
each
retirement
residence
unit
two
equals
one
unit,
and
then
it's
0.6
parking
spots
per
unit,
we've
included
a
definition
of
retirement
residence
and
that's
to
clarify
that
this
is
that
apartment
buildings
aren't
allowed
here
that
this
is
specifically
for
retirement
residence,
and
then
we've
also
defined
that
stacked
row
dwelling
house
to
understand
what
that
building
form
is
so
just
to
summarize.
The
purpose
of
this
application
today
is
to
establish
what
the
uses
are
in
the
land
that
would
be
permitted.
D
Mr.
chair,
this
application
and
public
meeting
was
provided
in
accordance
with
the
Planning
Act,
which
included
mailing
notice
to
sixty
eight
properties
within
120
metres
of
the
subject
site,
as
well
as
signage
being
posted
on
the
site.
20
days
in
advance
of
the
public
meeting
and
a
courtesy
notice
was
also
placed
in
the
local
newspaper
in
March
27
in
regards
to
correspondence
staff
have
received
six
letters
received
to
date,
three
of
which
are
included
on
the
agenda
and
three
on
the
addendum
to
tonight's
agenda.
D
All
received
correspondence
and
future
correspondence
will
be
reviewed
and
addressed
in
a
future
comprehensive
report.
In
accordance
with
section
37
of
the
Planning
Act
and
section
9
of
the
city's
official
plan,
staff
may
be
seeking
community
benefits
for
their
proposed
development
if
council
approves
any
increase
in
height
or
density
on
the
development.
So
staff
are
therefore
also
seeking
any
input
from
the
community
with
respect
to
any
potential
community
benefits
that
may
be
sought
through
this
public
meeting
process.
E
C
Details
have
been
done
at
this
stage,
but
certainly
the
discussions
that
have
happened
so
far
would
be
yes,
that
those
would
be
kept
and
my
understanding
of
the
grading
of
the
property
and
the
way
the
building
would
fit
into
the
property
that
it
is
entirely
feasible
that
that
would
just
stay
in
the
state
its
end
now.
Thank.
E
E
C
A
C
A
You,
my
other
question,
is
I've,
probably
heard
me
whine
before
I'm,
not
a
big
fan
of
payment
in
lieu
of
parkland,
and
you
talk
about
the
village
green
being
something
that
the
community
could
enjoy
so
I'm,
assuming
that
there
would
be
enough
property
that
you
have
no
intent
intention
or
the
developer
has
no
intention
of
payment
in
lieu
of
parkland
that
that
there
will
be
green
space
made
available.
Is
that
accurate?
Yes,.
C
So
the
applicant
has
been
in
discussions
with
the
city
of
Kingston
for
many
months,
and
some
of
the
very
earliest
discussion
did
happen
around
that
green
space
and
what
the
scenarios
would
be
in
terms
of.
Would
it
be
dedicated
to
the
city,
or
would
it
be
an
easement?
You
know
that
people
could
use
no
decisions
around
that
have
been
made,
but
that's
the
type
of
conversation
that's
been
happening
now
until
we
have
a
site
plan
until
there's
actually
development
approvals.
C
A
G
A
C
I
can't
tell
you
exactly
how
it's
broken
down
between
visitors
or
employee,
but
this
owner
is
developing
this
type
of
residents
all
across
Ontario,
and
you
know
they're
doing
it
to
a
level
to
really
meet
their
client's
needs.
So
certainly
they
want
to
provide
enough
parking.
That
includes
both
the
residents,
who
do
still
have
a
car
and
staff
as
well
as
visitors
and
the
site
is
so
big.
It's
not
hard
to
accommodate
parking
I.
A
A
A
F
Good
evening
my
name
is
Christine:
SIPP
Norwich
I
live
at
249
Main
Street
in
Berryville,
Village
I'm,
president
of
the
berry
field,
village,
Association,
the
berry
field,
villager
Association,
the
BVA,
whose
aim
is
to
conserve
the
heritage
of
berry
field,
welcomes
the
opportunity
to
respond
to
this
development
proposal.
We've
had
a
cordial
relationship
with
a
proponent
who
we've
met
on
several
occasions.
However,
we
are
disappointed
that
our
input
on
the
plans
presented
to
us
last
October
input,
the
substantive,
constructive
and
critical,
has
had
no
impact
whatsoever
on
the
current
proposal.
F
It's
therefore
vital
that
we
put
our
case
before
you
in
particularly
strong
terms.
First,
we
do
appreciate
that
there
will
be
open
space
accessible
to
the
public,
although
of
course
the
main
purpose
of
this
space
is
to
provide
an
amenity
for
the
residents
of
the
retirement
complex.
We're
also
glad
to
see
the
retention
of
berry
fields,
historic
grid,
Street
pattern
for
road
access.
However,
we
have
a
number
of
concerns,
as
noted
in
our
submission,
which
is
the
last
letter
in
your
package
I'll
flag.
Some
of
the
key
issues
here.
F
Second,
in
particular,
the
proposed
townhouses
fronting
Wellington
Street,
a
crucial
streetscape
purported
to
soften
the
impact
of
the
principal
residential
building
are
inconsistent
with
4.5
1a
of
the
berry
field
plan
which
states
that
new
construction
must
be
compatible
with
the
Heritage
value
and
attributes
of
adjacent
heritage
buildings
and
adhere
to
the
character
and
rural
atmosphere
of
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
With
regards
to
law
patterns
and
sizes,
Heights
massing
setback
building
scale
footprint.
F
Third,
the
proposed
townhouses-
are
also
at
odds
with
4.51,
be
the
stipulates
new
construction,
take
inspiration
from
traditional
forms
of
Eastern
Ontario
architecture,
4.1
C
that
stipulates
new
construction,
maintain
the
height
and
rhythm
of
the
existing
streetscape
4.5
2a
that
stipulates
new
construction
reflect
and
be
compatible
with
pre-existing
forms
of
massing
4.5
to
be
that
stipulates
given
most
existing
buildings
are
one
to
two
storeys,
with
a
majority
being
one
to
one-and-a-half
stories.
New
construction
shall
be
quote
no
taller
than
two
stories
are
no
taller
than
the
average
height
of
any
adjacent
heritage
buildings.
F
Whichever
is
less
for
when
these
townhouses
were
first
proposed,
the
BVA
executive
was
led
to
believe
they
would
be
similar
in
scale
and
massing
to
existing
berry
field
houses.
We
were
taken
aback
when
a
draft
plan
circulated
last
summer
proffered
in
effect,
four
monster
houses.
The
proponent
then
suggested
ro
housing
in
order
to
minimize
the
overall
footprint
to
which
we
were
initially
amenable.
The
application
includes
diagrams,
showing
both
freestanding
houses
and
a
row
which
men
in
the
village
are
understandably
dubbing
an
apartment,
walk.
F
The
proponents
contend
that
these
houses
row
or
not
are
no
larger
than
some
Berry
filled
houses,
but
the
diagram
on
page
7
of
the
planning
justification
report
clearly
shows.
This
is
false.
Even
the
larger
houses
on
Main
Street
are
significantly
smaller
than
the
proposed
buildings.
5.
The
setback
and
landscaping
for
the
townhouse
buildings
is
also
at
odds
with
adjacent
heritage
properties
in
Wellington
Street,
as
set
out
in
4.5
to
C
of
the
plan
and
in
significant
contrast
with
a
large
setback
of
the
former
Horton
school
6.
F
As
for
the
main
building,
the
BVA
understands
that
its
dimensions
will
differ
from
berry
field
houses,
but
the
building
should
nevertheless
respect
complement
rather
than
undermine
the
district's
built
form
and
cultural
heritage.
Value.
7
were
alarmed
that
it
is
a
massive
three-story
structure.
Since,
in
our
early
discussions,
we
were
led
to
believe
that
the
building
would
be
largely
two
storeys
note
that
Hortons
school,
a
sizeable
building,
much
larger
than
any
in
the
village,
was
only
two
storeys
high.
Eight.
F
Reducing
the
massing
and
height
of
the
building
would
also
enable
protection
of
views,
as
prescribed
by
the
plan
at
4.87.
The
view
from
Drummond
Street
is
obstructed
due
to
the
massive
size
of
the
proposed
building.
9.
Reducing
the
density
and
size
of
the
proposed
buildings
would
also
minimize
the
impact
of
delivery
and
traffic
and
scope
for
light
pollution,
which
threatened
to
undermine
the
goal.
At
three
point,
two
of
the
plan
to
preserve
and
protect
the
rural
character
Barry
field.
Finally,
it's
worth
stressing
the
significance
of
this
proposal
founded
in
1814
Barry
fields.
F
Heritage
is
famed
in
Kingston
and
Beyond
celebrated
in
a
recent
Heritage
Festival
2,000
people
attended
and
an
award-winning
book
Barry
fields,
unique
heritage
meant
that
it
was
the
first
Heritage
Conservation
District
to
be
designated
in
Ontario.
The
current
plan
for
Barry
field
came
into
effect
in
2016.
After
a
great
deal
of
consultation,
discussion
and
hard
work,
its
hard-won
provisions
were
urged
by
the
BVA
in
order
to
protect
the
villages,
heritage,
character,
homeowners
throughout
the
village.
Many
of
modest
means
must
live
by
these
provisions.
Corporations
should
live
by
them
too.
F
Ended
up
force,
it
would
be
a
terrible
indictment
of
heritage
conservation
in
Kingston
if
the
plans
first
real
test,
ended
up
forsaking
the
heritage
of
Barry
field.
In
sum,
we
request
that
the
height
and
massing
of
the
proposed
construction
be
reduced
in
order
that
the
proposal
may
comply
with
the
policies
of
the
heritage
district
plan
for
Barry
field.
We
hope
you
agree
that
we
can
welcome
a
retirement
residence
into
the
community
of
Barry
field
without
destroying
the
villages
heritage.
Thank
you
very
much.
F
A
H
You
Elma,
listen,
16,
Drummond,
Street,
I
am
also
very
concerned
about
the
traffic
patterns
in
the
village.
By
this,
the
density
of
the
population
I
welcome
retirement
residents
in
the
village.
I
think
we
need
another
good
residents
in
the
East
End
of
Kingston,
but
the
whole
profile
of
the
village
will
be
destroyed
by
a
three-story
structure.
There's
a
beautiful
retirement
residence
outside
of
Gananoque
way,
that's
two
storeys
and
it
is
built
in
a
way,
even
though
it's
not
in
the
heritage
area,
to
look
like
an
older
building.
H
I
think
it's
possible
to
make
a
worthwhile
investment
for
your
company
to
do
a
similar
type
project
and
I
look
at
the
number
of
parking
places
on
your
plan
and
they
don't
seem
to
be
sufficient
to
me
for
visitor
parking
staff,
parking
and
residents
parking,
because
you
have
to
remember
that
the
streets
of
Barry
field
are
very
narrow
and
the
current
resident
have
difficulty
with
parking
and
their
visitor
parking.
So,
if
you
add
any
additional
parking
from
your
facility
to
the
streets
of
Barry
field,
traffic
will
not
be
able
to
move
through
the
village.
I
I
And
I
will
keep
it
short.
I
do
want
to
the
committee
members,
though,
to
understand
the
magnitude
and
the
monolithic
nature
of
this
building.
These
two
buildings
we
live
in
a
village,
a
heritage
conservation
district
that
has
a
total
of
90
residences,
43
of
which
have
heritage
value.
What's
being
proposed
is
another
161
residences.
They
say
it
fits
in
with
the
heritage
plan.
I,
don't
need
to
go
through
what
the
heritage
plan
says.
Basically,
it
says
height
no
higher
than
the
adjoining
the
average
of
the
adjoining
buildings.
I
What
you
need
to
understand
by
their
own
material
is
their
wanting
to
build
two
buildings
that
the
footprint
not
the
total
floor
area.
The
footprint
is
a
hundred
is
1.41
acres
in
two
buildings.
What
they're,
proposing
and
requesting
in
a
bylaw
amendment
is
buildings
that
can
be
as
high
as
fifty
nine
feet
if
it's
got
a
peaked,
roof
and
49
feet.
I
That
is
even
if
you
were
very
conservative,
it's
260
feet
long
and
it
looks
to
be
about
60
feet
deep
and
38
feet
high.
When
you're
standing
on
Wellington
Street
you
ain't,
gonna,
see
st.
Mark's
Church
I
want
to
point
out
that
the
entire
horton
bought
is
Conservation
District.
It
applies
to
everything
you
don't
screen
what
you're
putting
behind
it
with
this
row
house
that
obscures
everything
you
won't
see
that
st.
I
Mark's
Church
and
as
I
set
out
in
my
letter
you
are
at
or
we
would
be
at
risk
of
severing
what
is
the
crown
jewel
of
Barry
field
and
certainly
any
view
along
Wellington
Street
is
going
to
be
obscured,
look
at
the
material.
They
provide
look
at
the
photograph
in
the
Heritage
in
the
impact
heritage,
impact
assessment
report
and
the
photograph
they
use.
You'll
see
the
picket
fence.
There
will
be
no
view
left
of
st.
I
Mark's
Church,
so
my
concern
is
massing
not
opposed
to
the
concept
of
resident
retirement,
village
or
complex
they're,
not
opposed
to
two-story
buildings.
Just
this
monolithic
building
that
is
going
to
be
what
people
see
when
they
come
to
Barry
feel
different
is
when
they
leave
Barry
field
when
they
look
at
Barry
field
from
a
distance
and
I.
I
Think
it's
slightly
unfair
that
the
residents
of
Barry
field
are
going
to
be
held
to
these
tight
regulations
of
the
conservation
district
and
we're
going
to
have
this
nice
bucolic
village,
which
we
all
love,
and
essentially
the
proponents
of
this
project,
are
going
to
be
selling
the
third
Flores.
Having
this
magnificent
view
over
heritage,
berry
field
and
everyone
else
in
berry
field
is
going
to
have
at
least
part
of
the
review,
this
monolithic
massive
structure
and
that's
the
reason
why
I'm
opposed
its
sister
scale.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
G
My
name
is
John
Richardson
I
live
at
16,
Roman
Street,
when
I
first
heard
that
retirement
housing
was
going
to
go
in
on
the
skull
property.
I
was
quite
pleased
because
I
thought
this
was
almost
perfect
for
berry
field.
Billy
I,
wake
up
every
morning,
I
live
at
16,
REM
and
I.
Wake
everybody
up
every
morning
and
I
go
into
our
living
room
and
I.
Look
at
our
window
and
I
can
see
st.
Mark's
Church
its
iconic
for
the
village,
wherever
you
are
in
the
village,
not.
I
G
Down
from
Main
Street,
not
just
out
from
highway
15,
but
it's
for
all
of
those
of
us
in
the
center
image,
on
Regent
Street,
on
Drummond
and
in
lower
lower
Main
Street
I
would
like
to
echo
the
the
message
from
the
previous
speaker,
but
the
sheer
size
of
this,
but
I,
don't
think
what
the
members
of
this
committee
realize
is
that
this
building
is
going
on
the
height
of
land
in
Berryville
village.
That
is
where
that
land
is
now
is
higher
than
than
almost
anything
other
than
st.
Mark's.
G
G
That
letter
also
refers
to
traffic
flow
increasing
in
the
village,
because
if
you
have
a
unit,
if
you
have
a
building
with
145
residents
in
it
plus
another
16
townhouses,
that
means
you
have
probably
in
any
given
week
at
least
200
new
vehicles
tracing
passing
through
the
village
200
vehicles
don't
pass
through
the
village.
In
a
week
now
other
than
just
local
residents,
we
live
on
Drummond
Street.
G
One
of
the
egress
of
this
proposal
opens
out
right
onto
Drummond
steep,
which
means
the
Drummond's
feet
is
going
to
become
a
main
thoroughfare
for
people
coming
out
of
this
property
going
down
to
to
Regent
or
I
forgot,
the
name
of
the
other
Street
and
down
down
the
hill
into
the
centre
to
centre
of
town.
So
what
should
what
you're
going
to
be
doing
here
is
having
all
kinds
of
additional
traffic
in
the
village?
G
G
If
it
were,
I
mean
I,
don't
think
that
there
is
another
property
in
very
fill
village
that
is
as
high
as
this
is
proposed
to
be,
and
all
the
properties
that
are
even
anywhere
near
two
stories
are
all
in
the
lower
parts
of
the
village.
This
is
going
to,
as
I
say,
dwarf
the
rest
of
the
village.
That's
all
thank.
A
J
We
keep
being
told
we're
gonna,
more
designs,
we're
gonna,
get
this
we're
gonna,
see
that
we're
gonna
see
the
other
thing,
but
in
the
meanwhile
it
seems
to
me
the
city
and
those
of
us
living
in
Battlefield.
Village
are
basically
asked
to
to
pass
upon
this
and
say
that
this
is
okay
and
go
ahead.
I
just
don't
think
we
have
enough
information
in
the
form
of
these.
J
Things
are
all
very,
very
schematic
and
that's
been
admitted,
I
mean
nobody's
denying
that
that's
the
case,
but
it
seems
to
me
it's
a
little
bit
like
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse.
Here,
we're
just
being
told
all
those
things
will
come
in
the
fullness
of
time
and
you'll
see
what
it's
like
eventually
and
it'll
be
fine
and
to
some
extent.
Yes,
we
have
had
good
relations
in
the
village
with
thee
with
the
developer
of
this
site,
but
it
does
strike
me
that's
a
bit
of
a
leap
of
faith.
J
It
is
basically
saying
yes,
that
we're
going
to
admit
and
undertake
that
the
developer
will
do
the
very
very
best
that
they
can,
but
there's
been
no
evidence
of
that
and
hasn't
been
pointed
out.
The
various
objections
that
were
raised
seem
to
have
been
basically
ignored
on
the
idea
that
information
will
be
coming
forthcoming
at
a
later
date
and
I.
Just
don't
I,
don't
see
why
the
city
should
have
to
buy
that.
J
It
seems
to
me
that
this
is
a
developer
that
could
afford
to
put
the
time
and
energy
into
presenting
things
in
a
much
more
detailed,
a
state
before
we're
really
asked
to
make
a
decision
as
to
whether
this
is
a
Bible
or
not
a
viable
idea.
For
one
thing,
just
to
take
one
particular
example,
one
of
the
things
that
was
achieved
after
long
discussion
as
the
city
will
be
aware
to
make
the
conservation
district
plan.
J
One
of
the
things
that
after
great
deal
of
discussion
was
finally
agreed
to
was
the
idea
that
at
least
there
would
be
one
place
along
Wellington
Street.
We're
only
talking
about
one
place
from
which
you
would
definitely
have
a
preserved
view
of
the
tower
of
st.
Mark's
Church,
which
has
been
referred
to
by
several
people
already,
and
even
that,
it
seems
to
me,
has
been
injured
upon
the
plan.
J
So
I
would
say
that
the
city
should
surely
be
in
a
good
position
to
require
a
lot
more
information,
and
I
hope
that
will
happen
before
we
go
ahead.
Everybody
wants
this
to
be
a
success
and
we
just
don't
see
that
we
have
enough
information
to
make
the
leap
of
faith,
nor
does
the
city
from
that
matter.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
B
A
Just
a
quick
comment:
the
public
meeting,
indeed
isn't
a
complete,
doesn't
reflect
a
completed
proposal
that
comes
a
bit
later
with
the
comprehensive
report
where
the
public
again
will
have
an
opportunity
to
speak
to
any
recommendations
that
come
forward,
but
staff
job
right
now
is
to
listen
to
the
concerns
expressed
and
for
the
comprehensive
report
to
speak
to
those
concerns
or
reflect
those
concerns.
So
if
it
seems
that
this
isn't
a
comprehensive
report,
yet
it's
because
it
isn't
a
comprehensive
report,
it's
it's
a
public
meeting
to
look
and
to
express
your
concerns.
A
C
So
in
terms
of
my
response,
I
was
actually
going
to
say
just
what
you
just
said:
I
wasn't
going
to
get
into
addressing
specifics,
we're
really
at
the
beginning
of
this
process.
This
owner
developer
has
shown
extremely
good
faith.
They
have
met
with
the
berry
field,
villagers
association,
several
times,
they've
met
with
the
Heritage
Committee
they're
working
with
planning
staff.
As
you
can
see
in
these
drawings,
they
have
made
a
number
of
changes
already
and
they
continue
this
process.
C
A
public
meeting
is
held
at
the
beginning
of
this
application
process
in
order
to
hear
what
you're
saying
and
to
receive
feedback
so
that
we
can
take
that
and
continue
to
work
on
the
plans
for
this
property.
This
developer
is
only
interested
in
doing
a
very
high
quality
development
for
this
site.
It's
part
of
their
reputation,
it's
they're,
creating
a
place
that
people
are
going
to
live
and
be
your
neighbors,
so
that
is
their
desire.
C
So
really
this
conversation
is
open
and
continuing,
and
it's
unfortunate,
if
you
feel
that's
not
the
case,
because
this
is
just
a
continuation
of
what's
been
happening
since
last
June.
You
can
look
at
these
drawings
and
you
can
see
various
changes
that
have
already
taken
place.
It's
an
evolution
and
certainly,
as
I
said,
we're
working
with
planning
staff
a
lot
on.
C
You
know
the
policy
context,
the
technicalities
but
we'll
also
be
working
with
the
Heritage
Committee
and
working
with
residents
to
come
up
with
what
is
the
best
plan
for
that
site
and
definitely
the
different
heritage
concerns
that
have
been
brought
up.
You
know
we're
really
looking
at
the
Heritage
Conservation
District
plan
for
guidance,
which
is
what
is
the
that's?
What
you
use
that
document
or
it's
a
guideline
to
use.
C
My
colleagues
just
I
I
could
reiterate:
you
know
that
a
heritage
permit
will
be
required.
That
is
another
process.
As
I
went
through
in
my
presentation
there
there
is
still
a
lot
of
opportunities
where
this
will
be
coming
back
to
this
committee,
but
also
to
heritage
committee,
and
those
are
all
public
processes.
K
Three
mr.
chair
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
miss
Watson's
comments
that
we
are
just
embarking
on
a
very
iterative
iterative
process
and
the
review
of
this
application.
We
will
be
looking
very
crucially
at
how
this
aligns
with
the
explicit
objectives
of
the
Heritage
Conservation
District
plan
for
Barry
field,
that
we
spend
a
great
deal
of
time
and
energy,
making
sure
that
we
got
it
right.
So
this
is
the
beginning
of
a
conversation.
We've
had
some
good
discussions
with
the
applicant
to
try
and
identify
where
we
need
to
go
from
here
and
this
feedback
tonight.
K
A
A
B
B
K
K
B
G
B
I'm
not
gonna,
read
that
okay,
so
we're
gonna
move
on
to
application
for
final
plan
of
condominium.
It's
Kingsdale
Avenue
all
right
questions
from
the
committee.
Any
questions
from
the
committee.
Any
questions
from
public
there
are
none,
could
I
have
a
mover
he's
so
Sanok
councillor,
Ozerov,
okay,
no
questions,
no
answers.
Okay,
could
I
have
us
vote
on
this.
Please
all
in
favor.
Thank
you
and
that
carries
moving
on
to
application
for
gardeners.
Road
Cataraqui
woods
drive
wood,
Haven,
wood,
Haven,
Drive,
highway
15.
This
is
quite
a
large
one.
B
How
about
I'll
read
the
file
number
d
14-0
three
9-2
oath,
2017
and
D
17-0
4-0
2017,
okay.
So
any
questions
from
the
committee
on
this
file.
No
I
see
no
questions.
Any
questions
from
the
public
I
see
no
questions
from
the
public.
Okay,
so
can
I
have
a
mover.
Please
I
see
two
movers
Gary
Ostroff
and
Lisa
o
sanic,
counselors
and
okay.
So
we
need
to
vote
on
this.
I
can
have
a
vote
on
this
place.