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From YouTube: Kingston, Ontario - Planning Committee - August 4, 2022
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Planning Committee meeting from August 4, 2022. For full meeting agenda visit https://bit.ly/3BJ9A3H
A
B
B
Also
joining
us
is
councillor
usterhoff,
as
our
visiting
counselor
joining
us
from
staff
are
paige
agnew,
commissioner
of
community
services,
tim
park,
director
of
planning
services,
james
barr
manager
of
development
approvals,
chris
wicka
senior
planner,
ian
semple,
director
of
transportation
services,
jennifer
campbell,
director
of
heritage
services,
ruth
nordograph,
director
of
housing
and
social
services,
paul
mcclatchy,
environment,
director,
ellen
mcleod,
deputy
director
of
legal
services,
jeffrey
walker,
manager
of
taxation
and
revenue.
Dara
crochet
is
acting
deputy
city
clerk
and
our
meeting
host
for
this
evening
and
I'm
elizabeth
faucett.
I
am
the
committee
clerk
for
planning.
B
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
we
will
jump
right
into
the
meeting.
There's
no
public
meeting
tonight,
though
there
is
definitely
opportunity
for
the
public
to
participate
for
a
business
item,
so
I
will
call
the
meeting
to
order
at
6
01
pm
and
look
for
an
approval
agenda.
We
need
a
mover
and
a
seconder
for
that.
Counselor
hill,
councilor
sanik,
all
in
favor
at
passes,
and
look
for
a
confirmation
of
the
minutes.
Mr.
A
Say
as
added
one
day,
the
chairs
will
learn
to
say
that
there
are
two
addeds.
Yes,
I
even
wrote
it
in
my
notes
and
didn't
say
it
so
just
making
sure
the
consent
of
the
committee
will
do
that
vote
again,
just
to
be
very,
very
clear
that
the
agenda
is
as
added
with
the
two
addendums,
all
those
in
favor.
A
C
All
right,
I
believe,
we're
ready
to
go
so
good
evening.
Everyone
and
thank
you
for
your
attendance
at
this
meeting.
My
name
is
james
barr
and
I
am
the
manager
of
development
approvals
for
the
city.
I
am
joined
tonight
by
my
colleagues
in
legal
heritage,
transportation,
environment,
taxation
and
the
cataract
by
conservation.
C
C
So
the
purpose
and
effect
of
the
application
is
to
redesignate
and
rezone.
The
subject
lands
to
permit
a
high-density,
mixed-use
commercial
and
residential
development
with
new
parks
and
open
space
along
the
city's
waterfront
on
former
industrial
lands
in
total
1
670
residential
units
are
proposed,
along
with
commercial
integrated
into
the
buildings.
Next
slide,
please.
C
C
The
area
is
a
former
industrial
area
and
the
existing
pattern
of
development
represents
that
mix
as
the
site
is
bordered
by
residential
and
light
industrial
uses
to
the
west
along
rideau
street
residential
and
vacant.
Former
industrial
lands
to
the
southwest
and
existing
industrial
uses
to
the
south.
C
C
There
is
an
existing
plan
of
subdivision
on
the
lands
and
corresponding
zoning
that
would
allow
for
the
creation
of
790
residential
units
in
a
traditional
low
density
subdivision
along
the
eastern
portion
of
river
street
and
a
high
density
residential
block
to
the
north,
a
commercial
plaza
is
located
at
the
southwest
corner
where
rideau
and
river
street
meets
next
slide.
Please.
C
This
includes
three
previous
public
meetings
for
the
applications
before
you
tonight
with
one
of
those
public
meetings
spanning
two
nights:
two
separate
information
reports
to
counsel
and
four
meetings
related
to
the
topic
of
remediating,
the
contaminated
lands.
Tonight's
meeting
is
the
fourth
public
meeting
and
the
first
recommendation
made
by
staff
on
the
application
next
slide.
Please.
C
C
Next
slide,
please,
a
quick
review
of
the
ownership
of
the
waterfront
area
around
the
tannery
lands
shows
that
the
land
subject
to
the
application
are
outlined
in
black
lands
owned
by
the
city
are
highlighted
in
red
and
the
river
waterfront
lots
owned
by
parks,
canada
and
transport.
Canada
are
labeled
in
the
green
area
on
the
right-hand
side
of
the
image.
C
A
large
portion
of
the
waterfront
directly
adjacent
to
the
river
along
the
development
is
not
owned
by
the
applicant.
As
you
can
see,
the
black
property
line
does
not
run
the
full
length
of
the
shore.
The
plans
you
will
see
tonight
and
those
within
the
report
reflect
this
ownership
mapping
next
slide.
Please,
over
the
course
of
the
application
we
have
received
significant
public
interest
across
multiple
categories:
everything
from
built
form
and
use
considerations
to
evolving
policy
contacts,
contamination
concerns,
climate
change
considerations,
natural
heritage
and
hazard
concerns
and
affordable
housing
to
name
a
few
of
them.
C
C
It
is
serviced
by
two
new
roads
with
a
northern
extension
of
orchard
street
and
an
east-west
road
that
is
in
alignment
with
russell
street
to
the
west
and
that
will
intersect
with
rideau
street
next
slide.
Please
commercial
uses
line
the
east
west
roadway
and
the
rideau
street
in
the
south,
the
red
areas
represent
areas
of
mandatory
commercial
and
the
blue
represents
flex
commercial
spaces,
which
can
either
be
commercial
or
residential.
C
C
The
buildings
are
broken
up
into
four
phases
as
shown
phase
one
and
two
are
along
the
water
with
phases.
Three
and
four
located
along
rito
stream.
Each
will
be
subject
to
their
own
site
plan
control
application
in
the
future.
In
order
to
proceed
through
the
final
development
approval
stage.
Next
slide,
please,
the
lands
will
of
13
hectares
in
size
will
have
approximately
four
hectares
of
open
space
with
a
central
park
located
between
phases.
C
C
The
buildings
proposed
here
are
mid-rise,
predominantly
six
stories
in
height,
two
eight-story
sections
are
located
on
phases,
one
and
two
above
their
parking
garages
and
the
buildings
along
the
waterfront
down
step
down
to
be
five
and
four
stories
along
the
water.
Next
slide.
Please
here
you
can
see
in
the
top
image
the
view
of
the
site
from
the
orchard
and
river
streets
intersection,
demonstrating
the
mid-rise
form
that
contains
significant
variation
in
the
facade
through
insets
and
materiality.
C
Here
you
can
see
the
four-story
form
nearest
the
water
and
the
eight-story
volume
above
the
garage.
The
form
has
evolved
significantly
from
the
first
iteration
and
responds
well
to
the
local
area
and
character
in
the
redo
canal.
Shadowing
does
not
impact
adjacent
development.
There
are
no
intrusive,
overlook
concerns
and
important
sight
lines
down,
river
street
will
be
maintained
and
a
new
sight
line
will
be
created
down.
The
east
bus
stream,
materiality
and
color
will
be
reviewed
to
the
cycling
control
process
included
within
that
heritage.
C
C
Through
discussions
with
the
applicant,
they
have
agreed
to
the
city
optioning
a
minimum
of
25
units
per
phase
of
the
development
for
affordable
housing.
This
amounts
to
a
total
of
100
new,
affordable
housing
units
that
could
be
created
on
the
subject,
lands
that
will
be
ranked
to
income,
affordable
home
ownership
or
other
affordable
model.
C
The
terms
and
conditions
of
this
option
plan
will
be
built
into
the
draft
minus
subdivision
conditions.
Next
slide,
please,
the
site's
former
use
as
a
tannery
led
smelter
has
left
the
lands
and
inner
harbor
contaminated
from
a
legacy
of
dumping
pollutants
directly
on
the
site
and
into
the
water
next
slide.
Please.
C
On
the
left
hand,
side,
the
dark
red
and
orange
area
at
the
top
is
actually
the
wetland.
So
that's
the
level
of
contamination
that
is
seen
within
the
wildland
area,
as
outlined
in
the
phase
one
environmental
site
assessment.
There
have
been
numerous
environmental
reports
detailing
the
contaminants
on
the
site
in
the
inner
harbor
dating
back
to
1977.
C
back
in
1977,
heavy
metals
were
observed
in
the
soils,
water
and
vegetation
and
that
the
marsh
acted
as
a
sink
for
heavy
metals.
The
site
was
deemed
at
that
time,
not
suitable
for
residential
development
in
its
current
form,
current
environmental
standards
between
the
site,
not
usable
for
residential
development
and
remediation,
is
required.
C
C
In
the
city's
official
plan,
portions
of
the
lands
are
designated
as
environmental
protection
area,
consisting
of
a
provincially
significant
wetland,
as
shown
here
with
the
green
area
on
the
left
and
a
portion
of
the
sites
are
classified
as
significant
woodlands
and
contribute
toward
the
woodland
on
the
right
as
reviewed
to
the
ecological
reports.
The
site
both
on
land
and
in
water
is
dominated
by
invasive
species.
Next
slide,
please,
both
the
inland
and
water
areas
are
contaminated
with
the
heaviest
contamination
found
being
found
in
the
wetland
area
as
it
acted
as
a
repository
for
industrial
contamination.
C
The
in-water
area
contains
invasive
species
such
as
fragments
were
densely
populated
with
vegetation,
but
in
the
reports,
few
animals
or
insects
were
observed
for
a
wetland
of
that
caliber.
The
on
land
area
contain
patches
of
local
trees,
but
the
largest
area
is
heavily
dominated
by
manitoba
maples.
The
understory,
which
is
the
area
under
the
trees,
is
dominated
by
japanese
knotweed,
garlic,
mustard
and
dog
strangling
vine,
and
european
buckthorn
are
classified
as
invasive
species.
C
Phytoremediation
has
been
shown
to
work
well
at
sites
contaminated
by
organic
molecules
that
can
be
consumed
or
broken
down
by
plant
processes
at
the
site
where
these
contaminants
are
mobile
and
available
to
phytoremediation
plants.
However,
most
of
the
contaminant
loaded
to
tannery
is
elemental
metals,
which
cannot
be
broken
down
and
tend
to
bond
stronger
to
soil
particles.
C
Implementing
of
this
program
would
require
decades
to
clean
up
the
property
to
the
point
where
records
of
site
condition
could
be
possible
and
there's
no
guarantee
it'll
fully
work
because
of
the
in-water
contamination
within
the
wetland
which
poses
a
threat
to
the
inner
harbor
due
to
sediment
transport.
Vital
remediation
would
also
need
to
be
supplemented
with
engineer
control
measures
to
prevent
for
the
contaminants
from
entering
the
harbor.
C
While
the
phytoremediation
is
in
place,
the
site
would
be
inaccessible
and
we
need
to
be
fenced
off.
The
site
could
not
be
used
until
full.
Cleanup
is
achieved
and
a
record
of
site
condition
and
certificate
of
properties
have
been
issued,
because
the
heavy
metal
contaminants
would
not
be
broken
down
by
phyto
remediation.
The
site
would
have
to
be
harvested
every
few
years
to
remove
the
contaminated
plants,
meaning
continual
impacts
of
that
ecosystem.
Harvesting
plants
then
have
to
be
disposed
of
as
a
hazardous
waste
as
they
could
not
be
used
for
composting
next
slide.
Please.
C
Given
the
level
of
contamination,
the
entire
site
is
proposed
to
be
immediately
using
various
methods.
This
includes
full
excavation
of
some
portions
select,
excavation
and
capping
and
others,
and
some
parts
obscene
full
capping
of
the
contaminants.
Various
methods
would
be
further
refined
through
the
detail,
work
which
will
include
stormwater
works
and
the
landscape
plan.
C
The
applicant
has
begun
preliminary
work
and
compensation
with
the
conservation
authority
to
replace
wetlands
removed
as
part
of
the
site
remediation.
This
could
have
all
created
new
wetlands
near
the
site,
as
shown
in
pink
on
this
map
on
the
left
or
could
be
located
elsewhere.
In
the
watershed,
this
work
would
continue
through
the
draft
plan,
the
subdivision
stage
and
performs
part
of
the
conditions
of
the
whole
removal
next
slide.
C
Please,
the
benefits
of
a
clean
site
is
the
ability
to
re-naturalize
the
area
with
native
species,
along
with
the
discussions
happening
around
the
site,
remediation
waterfront
natural
heritage
and
cultural
heritage.
Considerations
have
been
front
of
mind,
and
a
preliminary
landscape
strategy
has
been
developed
in
consultation
with
the
applicant's
ecological
ecological
experts
next
slide.
Please.
C
This
strategy
is
still
conceptual
but
has
been
reviewed
by
parks,
canada,
the
conservation
authority
in
transport,
canada.
They
all
know
it's
conceptual
in
nature
and
that
will
require
further
details
and
analysis
to
ensure
that
the
plantings
can
be
fully
realized
along
with
a
more
naturalized
shoreline,
rather
than
a
hard
edge
in
tandem
with
the
environmental
remediation
works.
C
C
The
city's
official
plan
lays
out
policies
to
consider
a
new
development
to
achieve
more
sustainable
development
and
prepare
for
the
impacts
of
a
changing
climate.
Speaking
to
several
key
areas,
including
increasing
the
city's
overall
urban
residential
density
to
be
supportive
of
transit
and
to
create
land
use
patterns
that
foster
transit
and
active
transportation
use
while
reducing
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
the
development
is
considered
high
density
with
273
units
per
detector
and
contains
commercial
uses
upgrade
to
provide
needed
services
and
community
uses
within
walking
distance
to
residents
of
the
site
in
the
area.
C
C
C
The
plan
also
speaks
to
maximizing
investments
in
public
amenities
and
infrastructure.
Development
of
these
lands
would
involve
minimal
expansion
to
the
city's
road
network
and
water
wastewater,
electrical
and
gas
utility
services
all
exist
in
the
area.
Servicing
of
the
site
will
not
result
in
the
expansion
to
those
utilities
and
sort
of
those
utilities.
Next
slide,
please.
C
But
I'm
sorry
this
would
include
things
like
roadways
and
park
spaces,
but
we
have
chosen
for
this
exercise
to
use
gross
density
for
ease
of
comparison,
which
is
why
the
density
number
here
for
the
tannery
on
the
left
hand
side
above
the
image
at
198
units
per
gross
net
hectare.
Sorry
gross
hectare
is
lower
than
the
273
units
per
net
hectare
previously
mentioned
on.
The
left
is
an
image
showing
the
tannery
lands
and
how
much
land
is
involved
in
their
development
for
buildings,
parks
and
roadways.
C
If
the
same
number
of
units
was
to
be
developed
at
the
official
plan,
minimum
density
for
new
large-scale
developments,
which
is
37.5
units
per
gross
hectare,
it
would
require
44.5
gross
hectares
of
land.
This
is
roughly
the
size
of
the
west
village
neighborhood,
as
shown
in
the
middle.
The
west
village
neighborhood
is
the
part
noted
in
blue
and
the
tannery
lands,
and
the
size
of
them
have
been
superimposed
on
there.
To
give
you
an
idea
of
scale.
C
The
west
village
neighborhood
contains
a
mix
of
land
uses
that
includes
a
school
commercial
uses,
apartment
buildings
and
a
long-term
care
home
for
residential
development.
The
west
village
subdivision
actually
has
a
site-specific
op
policy
that
requires
the
residential
density
to
be
45
units
per
hectare
here.
C
contrast
that
to
the
low
density
zones
within
west
village,
which
only
require
a
minimum
residential
density
of
23
units
per
that
hectare
where
the
tanner
only
requires
about
600
meters
of
roadways.
The
west
village
neighborhood
will
be
supported
by
4.3
kilometers
of
new
roads
and
extended
municipal
services.
C
C
C
While
the
policies
recognize
it
is
of
value
to
clean
up
legacy
contaminated
sites.
They
also
note
that
development
and
site
alteration
are
not
permitted
in
the
provincially
significant
wetlands,
and
what
we
have
here
is
a
contaminated
provincially,
significant
wetland
next
slide,
please
just
before
we
get
into
it.
To
start,
I
have
been
using
the
term
contaminated
site,
but
the
policies
I'll
call
that
a
brown
field
we
typically
see
brownfields
because
of
former
large
industrial
manufacturing
sites.
C
The
definition
from
the
policies
is
seen
here
on
the
screen
next
slide,
please,
the
split
mzo
and
municipal
approval
recommendation
is
occurring
because
of
this
inherent
policy.
Conflict
found
within
the
provincial
policy
statement,
which
seeks
to
redevelop
brownfield
sites
but
prohibits
development
and
site
alteration
within
significant
wetlands
on
the
left-hand
side
of
the
screen.
C
This
would
remove
and
contain
the
historical
contamination
in
order
to
allow
significant
housing
and
redevelopment
and
renaturalization
of
the
site
with
native
species
to
occur.
It's
also
important
to
remediate
the
site
in
the
context
of
the
larger
works
occurring
within
the
inner
harbor
clean
app.
The
tannery
site
is
a
point
source
of
contamination
where
industrial
practices
once
operation
on
the
site
contaminate
the
site
and
the
harbor
next
slide.
Please,
these
two
maps
show
the
development
the
proposed
remediation
on
the
left,
and
the
proposed
mzo
map
is
on
the
right.
C
C
C
C
These
processes
are
all
within
municipal
control
and
will
proceed
post
zoning
for
the
land
subject
to
both
the
mzo
and
the
municipality
of
municipally
approved
zoning
is
the
intent
of
staff
to
continue
to
work
with
the
crca
and
other
partner
agencies
through
the
draft
plan
of
subdivision
process,
hold
removal
and
ministry
of
environment
conservation
and
park's
site
remediation
process
to
ensure
that
the
matter
is
related
to
the
natural
environment
and
its
remediation
are
handled
appropriately
next
slide.
Please.
C
C
The
ministry
process
is
rigorous
as
it
seeks
to
remove
and
contain
contaminants
and
examines
all
potential
pathways
for
human
and
ecological
health.
This
also
includes
hydrogeological
concerns
for
contaminant
containment,
in
addition
to
the
ministry.
Sorry,
in
addition
to
the
internal
ministry
reviewers,
the
ministry
sends
out
the
submitted
materials
for
a
blind
third-party
reviewer.
C
C
Those
processes
include
the
comprehensive
review
of
the
record
of
site,
condition
and
review
of
the
detailed
stormwater
management
plan,
of
which
the
stormwater
management
plan
forms.
Another
whole
removal
condition
it's
part
of
this
process
that
the
city
will
seek
out
an
independent
qualified
person
to
review
the
hydrogeological
functions,
the
condition
of
which
will
be
in
the
draft
by
the
subdivision
approval.
C
C
These
are
the
next
parts
that
form
part
of
the
whole
removal.
So,
additionally,
old
conditions
are
in
place
for
the
wetland
compensation,
future
heritage
impact
statements
for
each
phase
of
the
site
plan
noise
mitigation
and
that
we're
going
to
provide
enhanced
notice
for
the
intent
to
remove
the
hold.
C
So
that's
number
seven
that
you
see
there
enhanced
notice
means
that
it
will
be
provided
for
all
owners
with
120
meters
of
the
subject.
Plans
sign
will
be
placed
on
the
property
and
that
will
be
placed
in
the
wake
standard.
This
is
not
what
is
typically
done
for
hold
removal,
but
we're
providing
that
extra
level
of
public
input.
I'm
sorry
not
publicly,
but
public
notice,
here
of
intent
to
remove
a
whole
symbol.
C
Next
slide,
please
following
a
decision
by
planning
committee,
the
applications
would
be
deliberated
by
full
council.
If
the
applications
are
successful,
staff
will
engage
the
ministry
on
the
possibility
of
an
mzo
for
the
site.
Work
will
continue
on
the
draft
plan
of
subdivision,
which
will
only
be
brought
back
before
council
once
with
draft
conditions
to
be
fulfilled
only
once
the
next
step
is
taken.
Can
the
plan
of
subdivision
be
finalized
before
cycling
control
applications
can
be
approved.
C
C
Next
slide,
please,
as
I
conclude
I
just
want
to
provide
that
notice
for
tonight's
meeting,
was
given
in
accordance
with
the
planning
act.
As
you
probably
noted,
significant
public
correspondence
has
been
received
on
this
file
all
contained
within
the
exhibits
for
the
report
and
the
subsequent
addendums,
which
have
gone
out
for
this
application.
C
A
Thank
you,
mr
barr,
for
that
overview,
and
what
I'll
do
now
is
just
give
a
quick
sketch
of
where
we're
headed
tonight
in
terms
of
our
process
for
the
meeting.
So
first
thing,
because
we
are
in
a
planning
committee
meeting
and
not
a
public
meeting,
counselors
or
committee
members,
I
should
say,
will
have
a
round
of
questions
to
ask
staff
for
up
to
five
minutes
each
and
with
consent
of
committee.
A
What
I'm
going
to
suggest
is
that
we
only
do
one
round
from
us
to
start
then
move
to
the
public
portion
then
put
the
motion
on
the
floor,
where
we
can
have
committee
of
the
whole
meeting
as
many
rounds
as
we
wish
to
further
explore
this.
So
not
limiting
debate
at
all,
but
just
making
sure
that
we
have
ample
time
for
all
the
folks
who
have
come
out
tonight
from
the
public
and
then
give
us
additional
opportunities.
A
So
that's
what
we're
going
to
do,
but
as
we
do
that
a
reminder
to
the
public
that
we
request
that
you
give
your
full
name
and
address
when
you
do
speak
and
like
counselors
or
committee
members
here
tonight.
You'll
have
five
minutes
for
your
questions
and
comments,
but,
unlike
committee
members,
there's
not
cross
talk
with
either
city
staff
or
the
proponents
planning
team.
A
Okay,
so
that's
where
we're
headed,
but
we're
going
to
start
with
committee
members
and
after
committee
members
have
gone
counselor
usterhoff
who's
visiting
us
tonight
and
we
want
to
welcome
him.
We'll
also
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
if
you
would
like
alrighty.
So
looking
to
my
zoom
screen
here,
counselor
neil,
I
recognize
you
five
minutes.
Please.
D
Thank
you
very
much.
I
have
a
couple
of
process
questions.
If
I
could
excuse
me,
first
mzos
are
relatively
rare
creatures,
I
think
in
my
18
years
as
a
counselor,
there
have
only
been
two
that
I
can
recall,
and
that
was
they
were
very
unique
situations
that
understandably
one
was
the
homes
for
heroes
on
king
street
and
the
other
was
for
a
property
to
enable
a
business,
and
it
was
time
sensitive
to
move
into
the
city.
D
So
those
I
supported
both
of
those
I'm
curious
about
what,
if
anything,
is
the
compelling
reason
why
this
proposal
requires
an
mzo,
because,
as
I
looked
over
it,
everything
I
see
can
be
achieved
through
our
planning
through
the
planning
act
and
the
planning
process.
For
perhaps
if
there
is
a
unique
aspect,
somebody
can
point
that
out
to
me.
C
Thank
you
and
through
you
chair,
you
are
right.
Everything
on
this
property
can
be
done
through
the
planning
act
and
plenty
act
mechanisms,
but
what
we've
run
into
is
a
municipal
wall
essentially
because
the
portion
of
the
site
that
contains
the
provincially
significant
wetland
which
is
contaminated.
C
C
It
is
a
mechanism
under
the
planning
act,
not
one
commonly
used
within
the
city.
We
have
had
two
both
have
been
within.
I
think
the
past
two
years
and
both
are
very
unique
situations
and
again
I
think
that
this
is
a
very
unique
situation
before
us
tonight.
I
can't
think
of
another
application
that
I've
seen
somewhere
in
ontario,
where
someone
has
proposed
to
remediate
a
contaminated
prevention,
significant
wetlands.
So
I
do
think
that
there
is
a
level
of
uniqueness
to
this
application
here
tonight
as
well.
E
Thank
you
and
for
you,
mr
chair,
certainly
would
agree
with
james's
comments
again.
The
the
key
difference,
with
the
other
two
circumstances
that
you
reference,
counselor
neal,
is
in
both
of
those
circumstances,
be
the
employment
land
development
and
then
also
the
other
project.
You
reference
in
terms
of
the
homes
for
heroes.
E
The
the
key
matter
with
those
particular
projects
is
really
a
matter
of
expedience.
In
this
case,
the
mzo
for
a
portion
of
the
property
is
being
recommended
not
out
of
a
matter
of
expedience
because
of
the
lengthy
process
that
we've
already
undertaken.
It
was
really
to
undertake
an
ability
for
us
to
look
at
how
to
approve
the
project
while
still
conforming
with
the
with
the
provincial
policy
and
ensuring
that
the
recommendation
that
we're
bringing
to
council
was
one.
E
We
were
asking
you
to
recommend
or
we're
recommending
approval
to
a
portion
or
the
municipal
portion,
because
it
conforms
to
the
provincial
policy
statement,
but
because
of
that
policy
disconnect
that
james
has
referenced
in
the
provincial
policy
statement
with
respect
to
brownfield
remediation,
but
that
not
being
contemplated
on
a
pr
on
a
provincially,
significant
wetland.
That's
where
the
mzo,
the
very
scoped
m
zoto
tool,
has
come
in
as
part
of
tonight's
recommendation.
D
E
Yes,
that
is
accurate,
counseling,
also
an
mzo.
It's
a
it's
a
matter
where
the
minister
has
absolute
authority
over
that
decision.
What
is
contemplated
is
the
ability.
Certainly
members
of
the
public,
are
able
to
notify
the
minister
of
of
their
thoughts
on
something,
but
it
the
matter
once
it's
issued
as
an
m
isn't
appealable
to
the
tribunal.
E
The
other
three
parts
of
this
recommendation
that
are
under
municipal
consideration
as
proposed
would
be
open
to
appeal,
but
the
minister
zoning
order
is
he's
able
to
rescind
it
or
she
in
this
case
it's
a
he
who's,
the
current
sitting,
minister,
but
it's
it's
not
appealable
to
the
tribunal.
The
way
the
other
components
of
the
development
would
be.
E
For
the
phase
four
portion
only
and
what
we
have
done
as
part
of
the
recommendation
and
that's
attached
to
the
staff
report
tonight,
is
scoped
out
the
parameters
of
what
the
mzo
ask
would
be
so
we're
not
saying,
minister,
who
doesn't
live
in
kingston,
please
develop
an
mzo
for
a
private
property.
You
don't
know
anything
about.
D
I
have
two
more
very
brief
questions.
I'd
like
to
get
to
that
our
policy
questions.
I
know
we've
made
a
commitment.
The
city
has
to
first
nations
to
include
them
in
any
kind
of
major
decisions
and
give
them
an
opportunity
to
for
input.
I
didn't
see
that
in
the
report
before
us
have
first
nations
peoples
been
been
included
in
this
process.
F
As
this
is
a
private
development,
the
role
of
consultation
would
be
different,
so
when
we,
for
example,
are
building
the
third
crossing,
we
have
we're
building
a
bridge
over
parks,
canada
waters,
where
it's
very
important
under
federal
obligations
that
we
participate
and
have
a
very
detailed
conversation
with
applicable.
First
nations
that
same
rule
at
this
point
does
not
apply
to
private
development,
and
that
being
said,
input
which
would
be
received
in
relation
to
cultural
and
environmental
issues
as
well
as,
and
my
colleagues
in
the
planning
staff
can
elaborate.
This.
C
D
C
Thank
you
and
through
your
counselor,
sorry,
through
your
chair
to
you,
counselor,
I'm
not
aware
of
that
commitment
as
part
of
a
development
approvals
process.
We
haven't
specifically
reached
out
to
any
specific
first
nations
organizations
or
band
council,
but
I
do
believe
that
in
future,
once
this
application,
or
should
this
application
proceed
to,
you
know
full
approval
and
we
are
working
through
the
levels
of
park
design.
K
I
From
a
local
community
relationship
perspective,
we
have
definitely
seen
indigenous
participation
in
the
public
meetings
and
the
offering
of
indigenous
concerns,
and
particularly
in
relationship
to
the
removal
of
trees
and
to
the
oak
tree
in
particular.
So
I
don't
want
to
suggest
that
those
voices
were
not
heard.
They
definitely
were
even
if
they
weren't
coming
in
through
a
nation,
to
sort
of
nation
consultation
process.
D
I
think
a
lot
many
citizens
in
kingston
would
appreciate
if
the
proponent
and
the
city
reached
out
and
got
that
that
as
requested
information
before
the
final
bylaws
brought
through
that,
I
would
I'm
sure
many
would
appreciate
that.
So
my
very
last
question
and
I
guarantee
it's
the
shortest
question
on
your
slides.
Mr
mark,
you
said
prepare
for
effects
of
climate
change
was
a
commitment,
but
I
didn't
find,
but
perhaps
I
missed
it
any
specifics
to
fulfill
that.
C
It's
also
worth
noting
that
with
this
site,
which
is
a
little
bit
lower
to
the
ground,
and
even
though
it
is
contaminated
and
the
once
the
capping
comes
in
the
actual
elevation
of
the
site
will
be
raised,
pushing
it
further
away
from
any
potential
natural
hazard
associated
with
the
the
lake
and
river
water
as
well.
So
flooding
would
be
less
of
a
concern
for
this
site
after
remediation
would
occur
because
of
the
change
in
grade
on
the
property.
A
L
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Yes,
just
a
few
questions,
so
one
question
is
about:
what's
in
the
report
now
saying
that
it's
going
to
be
a
mix
of
apartments
and
condos,
I'm
pretty
sure
when
we
had
the
last
public
meetings,
it
was
the
applicant
said,
I'm
in
the
business
of
doing
apartments
and
rentals.
So
now
we're
seeing
apartments
and
condos-
and
I
know
part
of
all
of
this
remediation
of
the
site
involves
monitoring.
L
And
what
I
remember,
but
maybe
I
remember
incorrectly,
was
that
the
answer
from
the
applicant
was
that
we
owned
the
site
because
we're
you
know
in
the
rental
business
we're
not
going
anywhere.
We're
gonna
be
able
to
do
the
monitoring,
but
now
that
I'm
reading
that
condo,
if
you're
in
the
mix,
sorry
jim
my
question
is:
how
is
that
going
to
affect
the
monitoring
of
the
site
to
you
know
ensure
that
the
contaminants
on
the
site
aren't
going
to
the
river?
L
C
Thank
you,
and
through
your
chair,
my
understanding
of
this
application
and
thrilled
the
public
reporting
we
put
out
is
that
both
condos
and
rentals
have
always
been
proposed
as
part
of
this
application.
So
I
I
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there.
I
believe
it's
in
the
reporting.
It's
always
been
out
there.
We
are
unsure
of
the
mix
necessarily
of
what
will
be
the
final
split
between
condominium
ownership
and
rental,
but
but
that
has
formed
part
of
our
public
reporting
relation
to
the
question
about
long-term.
C
Those
are
titles
that
flow
with
the
land
and
any
future
application
or
property
that
inhabits
that
land
will
have
that
knowledge
of.
What's
there
whether
it
is
a
singular
person
or
a
singular
company
owning
it
via
a
rental
or
whether
it
is
a
condominium
corporation,
the
details
of
what
will
be
required
for
the
maintenance
and
long-term
viability
of
that
cap
will
be
registered
on
the
applicable
property.
That
also
includes
any
lands
that
might
be
deeded
or
dedicated
to
the
city
for
roadways
or
park
space.
L
C
Thank
you
and
through
your
chair,
that
would
be
unfortunate.
It
would
be
unfortunate
to
see
something
start
and
then
stop
on
these
lands.
But
in
order
to
achieve
that
initial,
I
guess
in
order
to
achieve
that
initial
step
in
the
process
of
achieving
full
municipal
approvals
and
in
order
to
be
able
to
actually
leverage
the
financing
in
order
to
be
able
to
do
things
and
then
tap
into
the
brownfield
remediation
funds
that
are
associated
with
this
site.
The
developer
needs
to
have
confidence.
C
C
But
the
hope
here
is
that-
and
the
aim
here
is
that
they
will
proceed
through
full
approvals
in
terms
of
brownfield
and
what
would
happen
with
that,
should
it
stop
mid-process
or
what
financial
and
other
obligations
are
going
to
be
along
with
that,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
paul
mcclatchy
in
our
environment
division.
To
answer
those
questions.
M
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
the
brownfield
financial
programs
that
we
that
we
use
in
the
city
and
and
for
the
tannery
site
are
called
back
ended.
So
there
is
no
brownfield
money
that
gets
paid
out
to
a
developer
until
the
site
has
been
cleaned
up
and
fully
redeveloped.
So
there's
a
lot
of
risk
to
the
developer
in
that.
M
A
C
Thank
you,
and
through
your
chair,
in
addition
to
that,
once
we
do
proceed
to
the
I
guess:
more
detailed
levels
of
development
approvals.
There
are
securities
that
are
taken
through
the
subdivision
process
and
through
each
site,
plan
control
application
as
well,
so
hefty
securities
will
be
taken
for
each
of
those
in
the
development
as
well.
Should
there
be
some
concern
later
in
the
future.
L
C
C
We
through
the
process
did
hear
that
early
on
that,
given
the
level
of
capping
that
they
were
putting
on
there
and
what
they
had
considered,
there
wouldn't
be
opportunity
for
large
tree
plantings
that
was
actually
counter
to
their
own.
His
and
staff
did
not
think
that
was
acceptable
for
this
application
and
was
also
not
supported
by
parks,
canada,
due
to
the
natural
heritage,
concerns
and
cultural
heritage
concerns
of
the
redo
canal.
C
So,
since
that
meeting,
we've
worked
extensively
with
the
applicant
on
this
detail
in
order
to
push
for
a
solution
that
would
meet
the
city's
objectives,
parks
canada's
objectives
and
actually
look
at
re-naturalizing
the
site
with
large
tree
plantings
to
be
consistent
with
all
the
requirements
of
our
primary
agencies
and
ourselves,
and
that's
what's
before
you
tonight
through
that
landscape
plan.
I
don't
know
if
rob
or
mr
tau
have
anything
additional
that
they'd
like
to
add
to
that
specific
tree.
N
So,
on
page
six,
the
final
page
of
the
landscape
strategy,
there's
a
listing
of
15
different
trees,
species
that
were
identified
include
including
hickory,
spruce,
maple,
burrow,
tamarack,
white
birch
and
willow.
So
those
have
been
identified
by
a
landscape
architect
as
trees.
That
could
be
accommodated
within
the
tree
planting
plan.
L
Thank
you
thank
you
for
that.
I
just
wondered:
if
staff
could
note
for
the
trees
that
will
be
planted
to
ensure
that,
like
a
really
good
enriched
soil
is
specified
to
be
used,
you
know
to
give
these
trees
their
best
chance
of
surviving
and
also
if
there
could
be
a
watering
system
as
part
of
the
site
plan
when
we
get
to
that
in
whatever
number
of
years
from
tonight
that
might
occur.
A
L
Okay,
thank
you,
another
question
then,
to
the
applicant.
So
I
know
all
throughout
this
report
is
mentioned
about
how
there's
invasive
species
on
the
site
right,
non-native
species
invasive
species.
So
when
the
developer
plants,
you
know
the
bushes,
the
shrubs
everything
along
the
waterfront
area
and
along
the
buildings,
what
is
the
developer
going
to
do
to
prevent
invasive
species
from
you
know,
starting
to
take
root
in
there.
C
A
O
I'm
just
trying
to
thank
you
chair
and
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
sort
of
sense
of
the
the
impact
the
mzo
request
would
have
on
the
portion
of
land,
that's
being
discussed,
so
it
has
been.
It
doesn't
cover
the
whole
property
just
covers
really
that
the
section
four
or
the
phase
four
and
then
the
the
land
sort
of
to
the
north.
E
Thank
you
and
through
you,
so,
as
you
say,
it
provincially,
significant
wetland,
the
function
of
that
and
and
the
review
and
the
form
and
the
condition
of
that
most
of
that
is,
is
monitored
directly
by
the
ministry
of
of
natural
resources.
So
it's
a
provincial
ministry
function
as
opposed
to.
We
do
have
elements
with
respect
to
land
use
consideration
in
our
official
plan,
but
you
know
there
is
that
level
of
provincial
jurisdiction.
That's
inherent
within
the
psw,
as
it
is
right
now.
O
E
I
think,
through
you,
counselor
or
through
your
chair,
insofar
as
we
control
the
land
use
in
terms
of
municipal
approvals
in
our
official
plan,
but
certainly
anything
to
do
with
the
condition
of
the
wetland,
its
status,
any
redrawing
of
the
boundary.
All
of
that
is,
is
really
done
between
the
moe
and
then
also
the
ministry
of
natural
affairs
and
sorry
of
what
am
I
trying
to
say.
Yeah
natural
affairs
and
they've
been
at
the
table
with
us
the
whole
time.
E
So
there's
really,
you
know
some
provincial
there's,
also
the
municipal
that
kind
of
comes
underneath
it
as
well.
But
again
the
provincial
policy
is
really
what's
dictated.
This
conflict,
that's
here,
because
it
goes
to
the
provincial
policy
statement
which
is
administered
and
written
by
the
ministry
of
affairs
and
housing
and
that's
really
inherent
within
our
within
our
land
use
considerations
as
well.
O
So,
thank
you
and,
and
so
my
other
question
like
because
we
did
talk
a
little
bit
about
sort
of
the
unique
aspects
of
the
other
two
mzos
that
we
requested.
I'm
just
wondering,
is
there
a
is
there
to
your
knowledge,
another
provincially,
significant
wetland
that
is,
that
is
also
a
brownfield
in
the
province
of
ontario.
I
I
haven't
heard
of
any
other
ones.
Does
anybody
know
whether
there
are
other
ones.
E
E
O
So
if,
if
suddenly,
we
came
into
a
a
pot
of
money
and
we
wanted
to
clean
up
decontaminate
that
potentially
significant
wetland,
we
would
be
at
the
mercy
of
of
the
provincial
government
in
terms
of
making
that
decision
right,
that
that
would
not
be
a
municipal
decision
to
make.
That
would
be
a
provincial
decision
to
make.
Is
that
correct.
O
So
I
guess
my
my
my
concern
is:
if
we
don't
do
so,
we
don't
do
something.
This
land
doesn't
get
cleaned
up
and-
and
I'm
gonna
ask
mr
mcclatchy,
so
if
this
land
doesn't
get
cleaned
up,
does
that
mean
then
that
we're
we're
still
going
to
be
seeing
leachate
and
other
pollutants
making
their
way
into
the
into
the
river
system
or
into
the
into
the?
I
guess,
biodiversity
of
that
area.
M
M
You
see
going
out
into
the
inner
harbor,
it's
being
flushed
out
of
that
contaminated
wetland,
because
the
wetland
itself
is
the
highest
concentration
of
contamination
on
the
whole
property,
and
that's
because
in
the
former
smelting
and
tanning
operations
they
used
the
wetland
as
their
dumping
area,
basically
so,
prior
to
any
any
good
environmental
regulation.
All
the
effluent
was
just
dumped
as
wastewater
into
that
wetland
and
that's
why
it's
so
so
badly
contaminated.
M
Any
additional
property
that
might
be
owned
by
the
city
or
other
people
are
would
have
to
be
brought
into
the
project
with
the
resources
of
the
city
or
the
other
of
the
other
other
owners
to
compensate
that
portion
of
the
project.
So
I
would
say
that
to
be
blunt
would
be
unlikely
that
the
federal
government
would
wander
into
the
wetland
and
start
taking
on
responsibility
for,
for
those
portions.
A
A
But
what
I'm
looking
for
absolute
clarity
on
is
that
for
the
project
to
proceed,
they'll
have
to
be
joint
or
in
tandem
or
coordination
between
these
various
ministries,
the
provincial
level
and
the
feds
and
the
city.
In
other
words,
I'm
asking
do
we
kind
of
guarantee
that
there
is
this
joint
cleanup
for
the
project
to
proceed?
Is
that
part
of
what
the
record
of
site
condition
entails?.
M
A
All
right
and
follow
up
to
that
through
the
vice
chair,
mr
mcclatchy,
in
terms
of
that
interconnection,
if
the
feds
would
be
looking
to
us,
is
it
reasonable
that
we
look
to
them
in
terms
of
the
great
cataract
way
river
being
a
potential
contaminant
to
the
land
like?
Does
it
go
from
our
site
to
theirs,
and
vice
versa,
and
just
trying
to
establish
that
there
is
that
that
link
between
the
two
sources
of
contamination
or.
M
M
A
So
it
could
be
said
that
even
if
the
feds
take
a
bit
more
time
on
doing
their
work,
so
we
know
that
it's
something
they
are
endeavoring
to
do
and
there's
been
funds
that
have
been
suggested.
Even
if
they
take
time
and
doing
their
work
doing.
Ours
would
be
the
key
way
that
we
ensure
that
the
the
space
is
cleaned
up
by
the
site.
It's
decontaminated,
or
at
least
the
contaminant
contaminants
are
contained-
is
that
accurate.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
That's
helpful.
A
second
line
of
questioning
through
the
vice
chair,
perhaps
the
planning
staff
or
the
conservation
authority,
is
where
did
we
land
on
the
conservation
authority's
approval
or
acceptance
of
the
method
of
remediation
proposed?
In
other
words,
I
want
to
be
very
sure
that
the
crca
says
that
capping
is
adequate
to
do
what
we're
trying
to
do
here,
because
I
think
that
in
no
uncertain
terms
the
project
needs
to
have
that
guarantee
from
our
local
experts.
P
Yeah,
thank
you
james
and
through
you.
I
guess,
mr
vice
chair
to
the
question
from
the
chair,
the
conservation
authority,
as
as
we've
indicated
in
the
past,
we've
been
involved
for
quite
a
long
time
extensively
on
this.
We
voiced
concerns
in
the
past
about
the
need
for
proper
assessment
and
review,
particularly
independent
peer
review
of
the
what
I'll
call
the
wetland
remediation
approach.
Knowing
that
the
capping
is
the
is
the
preferred
or
proposed
approach.
P
We
were
concerned
that
the
mecp's
role
was
focused
just
on
the
site.
Will
it
be
safe
for
for
residential
use
through
more
expansive
consultation
with
the
city
and
directly
with
mecp
staff?
We
now
know
that
their
approval
process,
through
the
record
of
site
condition,
does
involve
an
assessment
of
the
efficacy
of
of
capping
or
whatever
wetland
remediation
approach
is
proposed
in
terms
of
dealing
with
the
off-site
contaminants
and
why
that's
important
for
us
is
for
us
to
get
on
board,
or
at
least
to
not
have
an
objection
to
any
alterations
to
wetland.
P
There
has
to
be
a
greater
goods
we
have
to.
We
have
to
be
convinced
that
capping
or
other
type
of
remediation
is
going
to
deal
with
a
long
term
watershed
wide
downstream
problem,
and
while
we
haven't
reached
that
that
point
yet
where
we
can
say
with
confidence,
that's
the
case.
We
now
do
have
the
confidence
that
the
ministry
will
review
that
and
make
that
determination
that
that
process
involves
independent
peer
review
and
from
everything
we're
hearing.
P
A
P
We
do
we're
at
a
comfort
level
now
that
this
site
will
not
be
developed
and,
more
importantly,
the
wetland
will
not
be
altered
until
all
those
requirements
are
satisfied
and
that
we
have
input.
As
that
process
goes
in
an
ideal
world,
we
would
see
remediation
happen
up
front
and
then
and
then
the
zoning
be
in
place
afterwards.
But
we
understand
that
the
the
applicant,
the
developer,
that
that
involves
a
level
of
risk
that
would
make
it
essentially
untenable
for
for
them
to
move
forward.
A
But
I
just
want
to
hear
it
for
myself
that
this
isn't
a
top-down
queen's
part
coming
to
city
hall.
To
say:
look,
this
is
what
you
have
to
do,
we're
actually
saying
we
can't
do
it
because
we
don't
have
the
tools.
Can
you
help
us
make
sure
that
this
is
done?
Well,
because
it's
beyond
our
powers?
Is
that
an
accurate
statement,
mr
barr.
C
Thank
you
and
through
you're
sure
that
is
an
accurate
statement.
Counselor
kylie.
What
we've
proposed
is
contained
in
exhibit
d
of
our
staff
report,
which
is
nzo
framework
that
we,
as
staff,
have
put
together,
which,
if
approved,
we
would
engage
the
ministry
with
it's
own,
his
own
regulation,
specific
to
the
site
to
implement
phase
four
in
the
open
space
lands
to
the
north.
This
isn't
a
top-down
queen's
park
recommendation.
This
is
a
staff
developed
recommendation
that
we'll
be
putting
forward
for
consideration
for
the
minister.
A
Excellent,
my
final
question
to
be
very
sure,
related
to
that
through
counselor
hill
to
mr
barr
is
in
doing
that
we're
basing
our
submission
to
the
ministry.
Should
it
go
forward
on
the
years
of
consultation
that
you
outlined
in
your
report,
multiple
public
meetings,
thousands
of
pieces
of
correspondence,
the
democratic
process
of
this
planning
process-
has
informed
what
we're
asking
the
ministry.
It's
not
something
that's
concocted.
Otherwise,
is
that
accurate.
C
This
is
a
very,
very
well
meticulous
and
thought
out
proposal
and
ask
and
there's
something
very
unique
and
significant
to
the
city
for
this
site.
This
is
something
we
typically
haven't
done
before.
We
have
not
run
into
this
challenge
or
problem
before
this
is
a
recommendation
that
has
been
made
with
the
full
sense
of
what
a
typical
development
approvals
project
would
be.
We
just
need
the
assistance
of
the
minister
for
those
portions
of
the
land
to
bring
forward
the
development
application
is
proposed.
Q
C
Thank
you
in
through
your
chair
happy
to
answer
that
question.
So
I
I
will
just
fully
reassure
and
flat
out
say
that
the
boathouse
does
not
form
part
of
our
approval.
Recommendations
tonight
is
not
supported
by
staff,
has
not
been
supported
by
our
partner
agencies,
especially
parks,
canada
and
crca.
C
It
does
not
form
part
of
our
recommendation
tonight.
The
vote
house
is
still
shown
in
all
the
graphics
because
those
were
put
forward
by
the
applicant,
but
it
does
not
appear
in
our
zoning
framework
as
part
of
the
municipal
approvals
and
exhibits,
b
and
c,
nor
exhibit
eighth
of
the
official
fine
amendment
exhibits
as
well,
and
it
does
not
appear
in
the
mzo
text
and
framework.
In
exhibit
d.
It
has
not
been
included
in
any
level
of
our
approval
this
evening.
So
I
can
reassure
you
with
that.
Q
C
C
This
is
supported
by
parks,
canada,
for
the
changes
that
have
been
made
to
the
build
forum
after
or
I
guess,
before
the
second
public
meeting,
there
has
been
significant
revisions
to
the
elevations
along
the
river
stepping
down
to
four
and
five
stories.
It
has
been
set
back
greater
than
30
meters
for
a
large
portion
of
the
development.
I
think
the
narrowest
point
of
part,
sorry
phase
one
is
30
meters
and
that
branches
out
to
45
to
50
meters.
C
It's
also
been
supported
by
heritage
impact
statements.
It's
been
reviewed
by
our
peer
reviewer
and
city
staff
and
the
development
before
you
hasn't
been
raised
as
an
objection
to
any
sort
of
loss
or
hindrance
to
our
unesco
world
heritage
site.
I
see,
commissioner
agnes
raise
your
hands
turn
it
over
to
her.
E
Thank
you
and
for
you,
mr
chair,
just
to
add
to
to
james's
comments
there,
although
they
were
pretty
extensive
in
terms
of
the
relationship
with
parks,
canada
and
certainly
mr
dakin's
on
this
call
as
well
from
the
conservation
authority.
But
when
we
did
a
major
redesign
conversation
with
the
applicant
back
in
would
have
been
mid
2017
into
early
2018.
E
As
it
is
something
we're
proud
of
in
kingston
that
we
want
to
maintain
and
certainly
through
the
process.
We
didn't
want
to
be
bringing
anything
forward
that
potentially
could
put
that
in
jeopardy.
So
it's
they've
been
there
at
the
table
with
us.
Since
2018
and
as
james
has
commented,
their
input
directly
has
informed
the
recommendations
that
are
before
you
tonight
and
they'll
continue
to
be
at
the
table.
For
the
subsequent
approvals
to
follow.
Should
council
support
the
eop
in
the
zoning
for
for
this
particular
development.
Q
It
was
it's
mentioned
that
there
was
a
major
redesign
2017-2018
when
this
came
before
council
in
2020.
There
was
no
building
that
I
recall
being
built
over
top
of
the
wetland.
The
wetland
was
completely
separate
and
at
that
time,
when
I
asked
questions
about
the
wetland,
there
was
no
intention
to
build
on
it.
So
why
is
there
a
continuance
to
want
to
build
on
this
wetland
and
fill
it
in.
C
Thank
you
and
thank
you,
I'm
just
looking
to
see
if
I
can
find
an
earlier
iteration
of
the
proposal.
I
believe
it's
always
been
a
four
block
plan.
I
believe
the
wetland
has
been
addressed
differently
in
the
past
by
the
submission
materials
that
came
in
initially
with
the
application,
but
the
the
general
idea
of
a
four
block
plan
here
on
the
site
has
been
pretty
consistent
throughout
the
life
of
this
project.
Commissioner,
do
you
have
any
additional
down
to
that.
E
No
that's
correct.
It's
always
been
a
four-faced
project.
Some
of
the
most
significant
pieces
I
mean.
Certainly
we
are
working
on
building
forum
articulation,
step
backs
that
resulted
in
the
more
recent
iteration
that
that
we've
seen
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
some
of
the
most
significant
things
again
counselors
we're
looking
at
the
setbacks
from
the
water,
but
also
in
the
earlier
iterations.
E
There
was
much
more
of
a
of
a
harsh
hardscaped
waterfront
that
was
proposed
in
earlier
iterations,
and
this
iteration
is
reflective
of
changes
of
something
that's
more
softer,
naturalized,
greater
setbacks
in
particular,
and
then
certainly
through
the
last
couple
of
months,
in
particular,
really
working
on
an
informed
revegetation
plan.
That's
reflective
of
incorporation
of
mature
trees
as
well,
based
on
on
the
feedback
that
we've
been
receiving
over
the
last
several
months
from
members
of
the
public
and
from
council
as
well.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Just
did
find
the
2018
proposal
exhibit
each
of
one
of
the
reports,
and
that
shows
the
development
actually
pushed
a
lot
further
towards
the
water
itself,
and
there
was
a
significant
portion
of
that
grade
street
parking
around
the
site,
so
it
has
maintained
the
four
dot
four
block
proposal.
It's
just
changed
shape
quite
a
bit
over
time.
Q
And
possibly,
could
we
not
just
add
an
extra
story
to
the
buildings
to
compensate
for
removal
of
the
fourth
building
like
it
seems
that,
with
this
particular
development,
it's
always
being
pushed
as
four
four
four.
Yet
there's,
no!
No
consideration
for
actually
stepping
away
from
trying
to
fill
in
the
wetland.
A
R
When
you
go
to
a
concrete
structure,
it
doesn't
have
the
same
economics
as
a
wood
structure.
Strictly
didn't
perform
not
dealing
with
the
environmental
benefits
of
being
in
wood,
and
if
we
take
those
units
out
of
play
the
amount
of
money
we
get
recuperated
through
the
brownfield
and
the
amount
of
units
that
are
put
there
don't
make
the
project
viable,
and
we
can't
go
above
six
stories
with
wood
frame,
construction
and
people
say.
Maybe
we
can
deal
with
concrete.
R
I
guess
my
best
answer
back
to
you
is
the
largest
private
landlord
in
the
country.
One
of
the
wisest
people
we
can
find
is
homestead
and
they've
known
about
this
site
since
the
very
beginning
and
they've
chosen
to
not
go
near
every
single
time.
So
it
takes
a
unique
approach
to
make
it
work
and
through
a
great
deal
of
work
with
myself
in
the
city,
we've
come
up
with
a
plan
that
we
think
works
really
well
and
provides
the
density
to
make
it
all
work.
N
You
know
just
to
add
further
to
that
from
an
environmental
perspective.
I
think
the
the
project
is,
I
think,
more
supportable,
and
certainly
the
conservation
authority
has
voiced
some
support
for
this
approach,
because
it
allows
for
clean
above
the
wetland
which
is
the
most
contaminated
portion
of
the
site
without
and
without
which
development
wouldn't
have
that
that
contamination
addressed
so
whether
there's
a
building
on
that
portion
of
the
wetland
or
not.
N
I
think
that
one
of
the
great
values
in
the
project
is
that
it
allows
the
wetland
to
be
remediated
which
includes
this
capping
approach.
So
I
think
that's
an
important
addition
to
the
to
this
part
of
the
conversation
that
building
or
normal
building.
I
think
the
the
best
thing
for
the
broader
wetland
and
the
river
is,
if
that
part
of
the
wetland
is
remediated
through
through
this
process.
R
Q
I
may
take
you
up
on
that,
mr
country.
The
other
question
I
have
is
that
in
september.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
response.
It's
good
to
have
you
on
the
call.
The
second
question
I
have
is
sorry
the
additional
question
I
have.
If
I
still
have
time
mr
chair
is,
in
september,
council
passed
a
resolution
to
have
an
independent.
Q
Q
If
you
want
to
see
how
water
flows
and
travels
you
just
simply
have
to
go
to
the
the
trans,
the
the
highway
highway,
401
and
montreal
road,
and
you
can
see
the
water
shooting
out
of
the
rock
cuts
and
it's
lateral,
it
travels
for
many
many
kilometers
and
point
source
pollution
is
a
very
significant
issue
with
regards
to
we
water
travels,
and
yet
we
have
no
information
on
this.
We
we
asked
to
hire
a
hydrogeologist
that
has
not
happened.
Q
C
A
question
thank
you
and
through
your
chair,
I
believe
the
reporter
referencing
was
september
2021
and
that
was
put
forward
as
an
information
report
for
consideration
by
council
and
outlined
three
options
to
deal
with
the
contaminants
in
the
wetland.
I
believe
no
recommendation
was
made
from
that
and
no
motion
was
put
forward.
C
Q
Mr
barr,
the
due
respect,
the
direction
from
from
council
was
to
have
an
independent
investigation,
not
a
peer
review,
and
that
is
has
not
happened
and,
in
my
opinion
and
the
opinion
of
many
residents
who
have
been
following
this
file.
This
is
a
huge
disservice
to
the
residents
of
kingston
requesting
to
have
additional
information
before
such
a
significant.
Q
Made
so
it's
not
a
peer
review,
it's
an
independent
source
person
to
do
the
work
on
the
property
and
the
last
time
you
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
mr
patrick.
He
indicated
he
had
no
trouble
having
the
access
to
the
land
to
do
this
test,
because
as
long
as
it
was
no
cost
to
him,
he
would
like
to
be
better
informed
of
the
property
and
what
what
lies
underneath
as
well.
So
we
haven't
done
it
and
I'm
wondering
why.
E
Now,
thank
you.
Thank
you
into
you,
mr
chair.
I'm
happy
to
speak
to
that.
So
mr
barr
is
correct
that
the
information
report
that
was
presented
last
september
was
in
fact
an
information
report.
It
provided
information
with
respect
to
the
general
cost
associated
with
more
of
an
independent
peer
review.
It
also
looked
at
external
legal
costs
and
it
looked
at
different
planning
processes
that
could
could
potentially
be
employed
with
respect
to
the
provincially,
significant
wetland.
So
as
part
of
receiving
that
report
staff
received
no
direction.
E
However,
to
your
point,
what
has
transpired
since
then
there's
been
two
pieces,
there
was
some
information
that
came
forward
with
respect
to
provincially
streamlined
funding
associated
with
looking
at
hydrogeological
work.
We
have
since
worked
on
that
with
the
conservation
authority,
but
that
is
independent
of
any
type
of
particular
development
application
like
the
tannery.
E
However,
as
james
indicated,
what
is
in
the
recommendation
tonight
is
that
staff
look
at
hiring
an
independent
qualified
person
to
do
the
work
that
you're
talking
about
counselorship
staff's
recommendation
was
that
we
do
it
in
the
next
phase,
because
that's
when
the
detailed
work
happens
where
we
are
right
now
is
more
conceptual,
so
that
is
part
of
staff's
recommendation
tonight.
It's
associated
with
the
hold
condition
on
the
zoning
as
approved,
and
we
we
took
the
direction
to
do
it.
Based
on
the
discussion.
E
S
A
S
A
S
Sorry
about
that,
I
wasn't
I'm
mute,
but
I
forgot
that
this
machine
goes
a
bit
blitzy
sometimes
so
I
presume
you
can
hear
me
now,
perhaps
unfortunately,
but
there
I
am
the
case.
First
question
is:
when
I
looked
at
the
maps
supplied
by
the
planner
to
do
with
phase
which
had
overlaid
the
the
different
phases.
S
C
Thank
you,
and
through
your
chair,
yeah,
the
area
that
the
wetland
affects
affects
about
a
quarter
of
the
developable
area
and
then
a
large
portion
of
the
north,
which
is
remains
or
proposed
to
remain
in
open
space,
open
space
area
so
remain
undeveloped.
No
new
buildings
would
go
there.
No
new
structures
would
go
there.
C
The
application
has
been
reviewed
for
its
appropriateness
in
the
context
of
both
our
policies
and
what's
being
proposed,
and
what
we've
found
is
that
the
development
application
is
proposed
is
in
conformity
with
what
we
generally
look
for
in
good
planning
and
while
the
the
wetland
is
a
large
portion
of
the
site,
it
is
contaminated.
So
it
is
cleaning
up
a
large
portion
of
contaminated
lands
on
private
property
at
a
very
important.
S
Time
for
remediation
in
the
harbor,
okay-
I'm
that's
that's
fair
enough.
My
point
was
that
it's
a
significant
piece
of
land,
the
also
the
scope,
the
ms
agnew,
the
commissioner
indicated
that
when
the
mzad
ogo
is
sent,
if
and
when
the
mzo
is
sent
to
the
ministry,
the
city
has
input
into
the
the
scope
as
the
scope
and
what's
being
considered
by
the
ministry.
I
believe
that's
correct.
S
E
E
Certainly,
there
is
some
back
and
forth
with
ministry
in
terms
of
you
know
the
way
that
they
want
the
document
laid
out,
but
the
process
that
we
went
through
recently
with
respect
to
clogs
road
was
very
collaborative,
and
it
was
very
important
as
it
was
conveyed
to
us
that
there
was
support
from
the
council
for
the
nzo
to
happen
and
that
the
municipality
was
directly
involved
in
shaping
what
that
approval.
Look
like
it's,
not
something
that
we
make
a
request.
E
S
S
There
we
go
okay,
it's
not
fun.
The
no.
The
the
issue
is
that
in
other
communities,
clogged
road
is
really
not
a
typical
mzo
for
the
province
and
that's
this
is
a
provincial
ministry.
This
is
the
minister.
This
is
something
we
have
to
be
concerned
about,
so
I
think
we
all
knew
that
quadro
was
a
pretty
simple
state
of
affairs
and
went
really
rather
smoothly,
but
this
is
not
a
simple
state
of
affairs.
This
is
a
very
complicated
one
and
other
communities
well
they've
had
to
withdraw
them
in
certain
communities.
S
There
was
so
much
upset.
So
I
think
that
it's,
the
the
key
point
is
here
that
control
passes
out
of
public
control
out
of
community
control.
That's
the
key
point
that
people
will
be
making,
and
I
think
that
is
just
accurate.
We
can
say
what
we
like,
and
maybe
we
say,
good
things.
Maybe
we
don't?
I
don't
know,
but
control
is
lost.
That's
the
key
point
here,
and
so
the
other
thing
I
was
going
to
ask
is.
S
S
A
E
Okay,
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
know
why
there's
any
feedback!
I
don't
hear
anything
on
my
end
I'll,
try
this
question.
I
might
actually
sign
out
of
the
meeting
and
come
back
in
if
it's
a
persistent
issue,
so
I
don't
annoy
everybody
in
the
process
of
trying
to
answer
questions
to
your
point.
Counselor.
Yes,
an
mzo
is
ultimately
up
to
the
minister.
It
has
been
our
experience
that
working
with
the
ministry
staff-
and
it
happens
at
the
local
level
before
it
goes
to
the
the
assistant
deputy
ministers
and
up
to
the
minister
for
consideration.
E
The
scope
of
the
m
zodo
is
developed
by
way
of
a
map
and
you've
seen
those
exhibits
associated
with
our
report.
So
it
defines
the
area
that
we're
asking
for
the
mzo
to
be
subject
to
we've
def.
We
defined
the
actual
parameters
of
what
we
would
recommend
council
ask
for
the
minister's
consideration
with
respect
to
exhibit
d
and
the
content.
That's
there
to
your
point.
Does
the
minister
have
ultimate
authority
to
act
in
accordance
with
their
whatever
they
think
is
right?
E
Yes,
they
do
for
sure,
but
it
hasn't
been
our
experience
that
it's
it's
an
authoritarian
process
where,
it's
really
being
you
know,
a
top-down
approach
without
consultation
with
the
ministry,
and
perhaps
that
has
been
the
experience
in
other
municipalities.
But
I
also
think
that
the
approach
that's
been
taken
by
the
particular
minister
has
been
adjusted
over
time
to
be
reflective
of
something
that's
more
consultative,
because
in
some
of
those
other
circumstances
there
was
significant
public
feedback
in
a
negative
way.
S
S
E
E
Our
conversations
directly
with
the
ministry
have
been
one
where
they've
really
emphasized
the
need:
a
for
a
council
resolution
showing
support
of
it
and
b
city
staff
being
at
the
table,
the
entire
time
directing
the
scope
of
what
goes
into
the
enzo
m0
in
terms
of
the
actual
zoning
permissions,
but
also
defining
the
area
that
the
mzo
is
subject
to.
So
I
don't.
S
S
S
S
Okay,
my
information
is
this:
that
we
could
pass
whatever.
We
feel
we
need
with
phase
four
by
another
mechanism,
which
is
simply
by
a
local
amendment
and
that
if
the
if
and
so
the
question
is-
and
if
we
do
that,
then
it's
up
to
the
ministry
to
challenge
it.
If
it's
in
their
jurisdiction
and
that
way
the
the
ministry
would
be
having
to
appeal
it.
E
I
understand
your
question
now.
Yes,
absolutely
I
can
respond
to
that.
So
the
challenge
is
municipal
planning
staff.
When
we're
making
recommendations
about
what
is
considered
good
planning,
we
have
to
have
consideration
for
the
provincial
policy
statement
in
our
official
plan.
The
provincial
policy
statement
has
a
policy
disconnect
where
we
can't
say
that
doing
any
type
of
site,
alteration
or
development
within
a
psw
represents
good
planning,
and
because
of
that,
we
can't
recommend
to
council
that
you
enact
any
type
of
change
to
our
official
plan
or
zoning
bylaw.
E
That
would
not
conform
to
the
provincial
policy
statement.
I
would
say
that
council
has
the
ability
to
make
any
decision
on
a
planning
matter,
independent
of
planning
staff
that
would
also
be
subject
to
appeal.
The
council
would
need
to
be
able
to
find
professional
planning
staff
that
would
support
in
the
chance
of
an
appeal
why
it's
good
planning
that
council
enacted
an
official
plan
amendment
in
a
zoning
bylaw
that
didn't
conform
with
provincial
policy.
E
So
because
we're
always
looking
out
for
council
ensuring
that
it's
meeting
its
mandate,
we
could
not
recommend
for
phase
four,
that
you
change
your
own
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
because
it
doesn't
conform
to
provincial
policy.
This
is
the
issue
that
we've
had
from
the
very
beginning,
which
is
where
the
mzo
becomes.
In
our
opinion,
the
only
viable
tool
under
the
planning
act
that's
available
to
to
address
the
contamination.
That's
there
with
the
psw,
so
it
can
be
remediated
and
then
land
use
go
on
it.
You
know,
after
that
process
has
taken
place.
A
S
E
So
what
what
staff
are
saying
is
that
allowing
planning
permissions
that
would
create
alteration
or
development
within
a
provincially
significant
wetland
does
not
meet
with
the
provincial
policy
statement
and
therefore
it's
not
something
we
can
recommend
within
the
hierarchy
of
considerations.
We
have
to
take
into
consideration
on
any
planning
recommendation
in
ontario.
That
is
correct.
A
T
T
I
was
asked
from
constituent
about
coordination
of
the
land
and
the
water
remediation,
mr
chair,
and
I
think
I
think
I
have
the
answer
to
that.
That
is
an
intentional.
If
I'm
wrong,
I
understand
that's
an
intentional
effort
that
there
will
be
a
coordination
of
land
and
water
remediation.
So
if
that's
different,
then
maybe
someone
can
tell
me
the
affordable
housing
was
brought
to
me
just
recently,
and
that
seems
to
be
answered
and
that's
excellent
and
I
was
asked,
would
there
be
I
apologize?
T
C
Thank
you,
and
through
your
chair
there,
that
would
be
more
of
a
detailed
plan
consideration
once
the
shoreline
work
has
been
completed,
post
remediation,
in
addition
to
the
landscape
strategy
and
the
re-naturalization
of
that
shoreline.
That's
when
those
features
and
amenities
can
be
considered,
but
at
this
point
we
don't
have
any
details
to
confirm.
Otherwise
it
would
be
a
great
amenity.
We
just
need
to
make
sure
that
it
lines
up
with
all
of
the
natural
heritage
and
cultural
heritage
considerations,
especially
the
re-naturalizing
and
revegetation
of
the
site.
T
T
Yeah
that
would
be
excellent
in
as
a
rural
council.
I
certainly
deal
with
that
too
trying
to
get
on
this
side
of
the
water
councillor.
Boehm
would
also
has
heard
about
that
and
then
forgive
me.
I
was
asked
about
responsibility
for
the
riparian,
because
there's
so
much
distance,
which
is
great,
you
know
the
allowance
of
the
space
whose
responsibility
is
it
sorry
as
far
as
the
ribbon
of
life?
T
C
T
A
B
A
A
A
Very
good,
so
we'll
pick
up
now
into
the
public
portion
of
the
meeting.
What
I'll
do
is
read
the
notice
of
collection,
because
we
do
take
the
information
that
we
get
here
tonight
and
use
it
going
forward.
Also
make
a
quick
editorial
comment
that,
based
on
the
nature
of
how
we
set
up
the
public
participation,
where
we
hear
from
five
individuals
for
five
minutes
each.
A
I
really
encourage
people
to
make
sure
the
points
that
they
say
in
their
time
isn't
repeating
what
the
people
before
them
have
said,
because
when
all
of
the
comments
are
collected
and
the
proponent
or
stack
respond,
they're
only
going
to
respond
to
the
same
point
once
essentially.
So,
let's
deepen
the
discourse
by
providing
different
perspectives
and
just
hopefully
try
to
avoid
some
repetition.
A
A
All
names
addresses
opinions
and
comments
may
be
collected
and
may
form
part
of
the
minutes
which
will
be
available
to
the
public.
Questions
regarding
this
collection
should
be
forwarded
to
the
director
planning
services.
Mr
park
who's
on
the
call
with
us
tonight
following
a
council
decision
notice,
will
be
circulated
in
accordance
with
the
planning
act
if
a
person
or
public
body
would
otherwise
have
an
ability
to
appeal.
A
The
person
or
public
body
is
not
entitled
to
appeal
the
decision
and
with
that
we'll
move
to
members
of
the
public
with
one
more
qualification
for
me
as
chair,
which
is
excuse
me,
as
it
says,
right
in
that
notice
of
collection,
we're
hearing
from
individuals
and
also
organizations
as
they
see
fit.
So
we'll
look
to
the
clerk
to
lead
us
through
our
speakers
list.
On
her
end.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
through
you
for
members
of
the
public
who
are
joining
us
this
evening.
If
you'd
like
to
speak
to
the
application,
please
raise
your
hand
and
zoom
so
that
you
may
add
your
name
to
the
speakers
list
and
we
can
identify
those
who
wish
to
speak.
Mr
chair
we're
going
to
begin
with
jerry
jeremy
malloy,
followed
by
matt
rogalski,.
U
However,
in
reviewing
the
staff
report
and
the
discussions
here
tonight,
this
is
a
long-term
process.
This
is
a
long-term
plan
and
I
do
not
see
that
the
current
staff
report
is
anywhere
near
as
clear
and
comprehensive
and
as
it
needs
to
be,
to
proceed
with
approving
this
at
this
time.
I
want
to
start
by
reviewing
what
I
talked
about
the
last
time
I
was
before
you
on
this.
U
I
asked
whether
what
they
will
do
is
to
produce
a
net
ecological
benefit,
which
is
the
only
justification
to
respond
to
what
counselor
hill
raised
before
the
point
of
a
provincially.
Significant
wetland
designation
is
not
just
so
that
the
province
will
have
authority.
It
is
so
the
province
can
exercise
its
duty
to
protect
our
wetlands.
So
you
know,
staff
have
said
things
like.
We
haven't
seen
another
contaminated
wetland
in
the
province.
U
How
can
we
go
forward
with
handing
this
over
to
the
province
and
retaining
liability
and
giving
so
much
down
the
road
financial
compensation
for
remediation?
If
we
don't
actually
still
have
a
really
good
idea,
it
would
work
number
two.
I've
asked
about
coordination
with
the
federal
process.
Again,
we
get
the
right
noises
that
it's
happening
and
it
will
happen,
but
not
really
specifics
about
who's
doing
what,
when
and
and
what
the
other
thinks
of
each
other's
plans
again.
These
are
specifics
that
are
important.
U
There's
a
perverse
incentive
here
to
quote
what
the
woman
from
the
david
suzuki
foundation
said
last
time
that
that
we
just
have
to
do
something
now,
and
I
would
argue,
we
may
very
well
have
to
do
something,
but
we
have
to
do
something
right.
I
asked
about
the
hydrogeologist
report.
The
staff
report
again
calls
for
a
peer
review,
which
is
not
what
I've
asked
for,
not
what
the
communities
asked
for.
Not
what
members
of
council
have
asked
for.
U
We've
asked
for
independent
research
done
at
site
for
our
community
to
to
cover
our
own
bases
and
have
good
site
knowledge.
As
councillor
chappelle
mentioned
that
has
not
been
answered,
and
that
is
not
in
the
document.
Peer
review
remains
in
the
document.
I
asked
about
the
compensatory
wetland
you
know
it
is
I'm
very
aware
that
that
staff
are
serious
about
climate
change.
They
are
valuable
partners
and
leaders
in
our
community
on
addressing
the
climate
crisis.
U
We're
just
asked
to
trust
that
things
are
going
to
be
happening
down
the
road
which
is
particularly
dangerous
in
this
unique
case,
because,
as
consular
hutchinson
mentioned,
you
know
we're
going
to
be
relying
on
the
province
to
assess
and
regulate
the
project
and
possibly
give
up
a
lot
of
the
control
we
have
under
an
mzo,
which
is
ontario.
Nature
warned
could
strip
a
lot
of
our
oversight
and
ability
to
manage
this
process.
U
So,
to
conclude,
basically
I
get
that
this
is
a
complicated
issue.
I
get
that
people
have
been
working
very
hard
on
it,
but
I
don't
see
the
point
in
approving
now
and
especially
not
proceeding
to
an
mzo
now
when
we
still
come
back
again
and
again
with
basic
questions
about
how
this
is
going
to
work,
whether
it
can
work
and
who's
going
to
be
on
the
hook,
if
it
doesn't
unanswered,
you
know.
Even
tonight
we
heard
some
good
things
that
crca
may
feel.
U
That's
just
not
quite
enough,
you
know
what
we
need
here
is
actual
clarity,
an
actual
plan
before
we
proceed
to
things
like
the
mzo.
If
what
we're
doing
here
is
very
serious
about
environmental
protection
first
and
development
second,
which
is
the
only
reason
to
proceed
with
an
mzo,
then
we
have
to
make
sure
we
get
it
right
before
we
rush
into
the
next
stage
of
this
development
and,
unfortunately,
we're
not
there
yet.
So
I
cannot
recommend
that
counselor
planning
committee
support
this
at
this
time.
Thank
you.
V
Hi
there,
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
in
this
latest
episode
of
the
so-called
consultation
process,
which,
if
we
results
in
an
mzo,
is
clearly
an
anti-democratic
move.
That's
that's
being
done
just
for
expediency's
sake
in
my
opinion,
and
we
we
even
heard
one
of
the
patri
representatives
tonight
state
the
complete
illogic
of
destroying
this
place
to
remediate
it.
V
I
find
that
utterly
bizarre
doublespeak
and
I've
presented
a
letter
today
or
sent
a
letter
today,
which
is
part
of
the
record
attached
to
this
meeting,
which
I
think
says
most
of
what
I
want
to
would
like
to
be
said
tonight.
But
I
brought
some
other
voices
tonight
which
I
hope
I
can
bring
to
you
over
zoom
and
for
the
remainder
of
my
time,
I'd
like
to
bring
you
thousands
of
voices
from
the
woods
on
the
so-called
tannery
lands
recorded
around
the
solstice
this
year,
just
around
dawn.
V
V
V
V
Hi
folks,
I'm
I'm
going
to
stop
there,
because
I
understand
that
the
sound
is
breaking
up
and
it's
maybe
not
all
that
enjoyable
to
listen
to
at
length.
But
I
I'd
like
that.
My
point
to
to
be
my
made
by
playing
by
playing
this,
for
you
is
to
remember
that
there
are
already
thousands
of
beings
living
on
this
land
and
we're
talking
about
tearing
all
that
down
and
building
some
crappy.
I'm
sorry,
in
my
opinion,
some
you
know
really.
You
know
cheap
housing,
that's
gonna!
V
W
W
W
W
W
W
In
an
interview
with
ckws,
a
member
of
a
company
called
phytoaction
explained
that
using
plants
that
absorb
water
well
would
remediate
most
of
the
land
at
the
tannery.
The
specialist
hired
by
patry
said
that,
because
there
were
toxic
metals,
removing
the
soil
was
the
only
way
to
remediate.
It.
Phytoaction
wrote
this
morning
to
say
that
all,
but
the
most
polluted
soil
could
be
remediated
through
plants.
W
W
The
amount
of
material
that
would
need
to
be
disposed
of
would
be
minimal
compared
to
the
20
000
truckloads,
and
it
would
also
be
significantly
less
expensive.
The
tannery
is,
I
believe,
our
last
urban
forest
in
kingston.
That
strikes
a
note
of
dread
in
my
heart.
It
makes
me
think
of
dr
zeus:
in
the
lorax,
where
all
trees
were
cut
down
and
only
a
seed
was
left.
W
We
have
eight
years
to
solve
the
climate
crisis.
We
don't
have
time
to
plant
a
seed
and
watch
it
grow.
We
don't
even
have
time
to
plant
trees
to
watch
them
grow.
We
need
to
save
the
trees
alive.
Now
I
was
standing
at
the
tannery
forest
yesterday
and
I
saw
sumac
a
black
walnut
and
the
mother
oak.
I
wonder
how
recently
and
carefully
the
forest
was
observed
to
count
the
kinds
of
trees
that
are
now
available
to
that
forest,
whether
they
are
weed,
trees
or
native
trees.
W
They
are
still
sequestering
carbon
and
creating
habitat
for
animals,
as
we
just
heard,
and
nothing
we
plant
today
will
do
the
same
job.
Greta
thunderberg
said.
I
don't
want
your
hope.
I
don't
want
you
to
be
hopeful.
I
want
you
to
panic.
I
want
you
to
feel
the
fear
I
feel
every
day
and
then
I
want
you
to
act.
I
want
you
to
act
as
you
would
in
a
crisis.
W
W
B
N
X
You
thank
you
chair,
my
name's,
ed
smith.
I
live
at
in
kingstown
district
in
the
city
of
kingston.
I
am
the
chair
of
downtown
kingston
business
improvement
area
representing
the
approximately
700
downtown
businesses
and
the
downtown
kingston
board
of
directors
who
have
voted
unanimously
in
support
of
the
tannery
development.
X
Downtown
kingston
is
one
of
the
greatest
kingston's
greatest
assets
starts
attracting
thousands
of
tourists
annually
between
june
and
september,
to
enjoy
the
historic
destination
our
business
business
owners
are
on
a
long
road
to
recovery
from
the
devastation
effects
of
covet
19.
as
we
move
into
the
future.
The
key
to
the
survival
of
our
business
community
is
to
hyper
focus
on
our
mission
to
attract
more
people
to
experience
and
contribute
to
our
vibrant
downtown
community.
X
I'd
like
to
ask
mary,
jo
coughier,
executive
director
of
downtown
kingston
bia
and
the
and
residents
of
downtown
kingston,
to
highlight
the
reasons
why
the
tammy
project
plays
a
significant
role
in
the
long-term
sustainability
of
downtown
kingston.
Mary
joe's
presentation
will
highlight
some
of
the
details
of
the
motion
pass
by
our
board,
which
has
been
sent
to
all
members
of
council
a
number
of
weeks
ago.
Mary,
jo.
Y
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
to
you
this
evening.
My
name
is
mary,
jo
currier.
I
live
at
135
ontario
street
affectionately,
known
as
block
d
in
downtown
kingston,
which,
coincidentally,
was
also
a
brownfield
with
significant
contamination
that
was
developed
several
years
ago
for
high
density,
residential
and
commercial
intensification
along
waterfront.
Y
There
are
four
main
reasons
why
the
tannery
project
is
critical
for
the
future
of
downtown
number.
One
simply
put:
we
need
more
people
to
frequent
downtown
residential
intensification
is
the
number
one
priority
to
creating
a
stable
customer
and
employee
base
for
the
community
and
has
been
part
of
our
strategic
plan
for
the
last
two
terms
of
our
board,
with
the
loss
of
mass
merchandise,
retailers,
downtown.
The
growth
of
suburban
box
store,
suburban
box
stores
and
the
unprecedented
growth
of
online
shopping.
Y
Downtown
kingston
must
build
a
strong
customer
base
of
residents
who
live
and
work
near
the
downtown
core
from
october
to
april,
pedestrian
counts
dropped
significantly,
creating
financial
stress
on
our
business
owners
and
an
unstable
work
environment
for
their
employees.
Building
condensed
residential
neighborhoods
close
to
downtown
will
supply
our
businesses
and
employees
with
year-round
stability.
Y
Number
two
walkable
neighborhoods
are
good
for
the
environment.
In
recent
years,
there's
been
a
move
towards
designing
livable
communities
from
a
social,
economic
and
environmental
point
of
view.
Creating
communities
in
which
active
transportation
is
a
feasible
mode
of
transport
where
residents
are
within
easy,
walking
or
biking,
distance
of
shops,
schools
and
local
services.
Y
Other
benefits
are
the
reduction
of
the
dependency
on
vehicles
which
reduces
traffic
congestion,
air
and
noise
pollution,
wear
and
tear
on
the
roads
and
consumption
of
gas.
It
will
reduce
the
number
of
pedestrian
motor
vehicle-related
crashes,
injuries
and
fatalities,
and
it
will
reduce
the
need
for
parking
in
a
study
out
of
the
u.s
residents
of
ontario
were
asked
how
about
how
many
minutes
they
would
be
willing
to
walk
to
work
on
air,
to
walk
on
errands
and
to
work.
The
average
for
both
trips
was
just
over
20
minutes,
which
translates
to
about
two
kilometers.
Y
This
project
is
1.5
kilometers
from
food
basics,
the
beginning
of
the
downtown
core
and
a
comfortable
15-minute
walk
or
five-minute
bike
ride
number
three:
the
tax
implications
are
positive
for
the
city
of
kingston.
When
complete
the
tannery
project
will
support
the
significant
downtown
commercial
property
tax
base.
That
depends
on
the
downtown
being
strong
and
vibrant.
It
will
add
millions
of
dollars
in
annual
property
tax
revenues
after
brownfield
program
payback
so
that
the
city
can
further
support
community
programs
and
initiatives.
Y
Keeping
the
downtown
strong
is
crucial
to
continued
growing
of
a
thriving
tourism
industry,
foster
an
environment
where
new
entrepreneurs
can
thrive
and
to
support
arts,
culture,
commercial,
entertainment
and
culinary
industries
in
southeastern
ontario
and
number
four.
There
is
a
housing
shortage.
We
all
know
there's
a
housing
shortage
across
the
nation.
Most
of
us
are
touched
by
this
in
one
way
or
another,
kingston
needs
housing.
Y
We
could
turn
how
could
we
turn
down
1670
new
residential
units?
This
is
going
to
make
a
big
dent
in
the
housing
shortage.
The
current
location
is
contaminated,
unusable
wasteland
and
home
to
toxins
that
are
dangerous
to
humans,
mammals,
reptiles
and
aquatic
life.
A
new
supply
of
large
numbers
of
residential
units
lowers
demand
and
rents
on
older
buildings,
creating
more
affordable
housing.
Future
generations
will
thank
us
for
making
responsible
decisions
so
that
they
can
further
enjoy
our
beautiful.
A
That's
our
five
minutes.
Sorry
to
cut
you
off.
I
just
want
to
keep
it
fair
for
everyone,
but
if
there
are
any
comments,
feel
free
to
send
them
through
to
committee
for
public
record
and
we'll
go
to
the
next
person,
one
more
person,
madam
clerk
and
then
we'll
look
to
staff
and
the
proponent
to
respond.
Z
Z
Moreover,
we
are
on
one
of
the
main
flyways
for
ducks
and
geese
that
rely
on
this
area
and
that
type
of
landscape
to
be
able
to
move
and
to
survive.
On
top
of
that,
I
don't
think
that
jay,
patrick
and
his
organization
can
be
trusted
to
do
this
safely
and
responsibly.
We've
seen
how
they've
handled
things
in
the
past
we're
just.
A
Z
Z
AA
My
name
is
tara.
Bauer,
I'm
at
3352
van
order
road
in
kingston-
and
I
am
here
on
behalf
of
turtles
kingston.
I
am
the
current
director
of
turtles
kingston
and
I
would
first
like
to
thank
all
counselors
for
your
considerate
and
detailed
questions
regarding
the
proposed
development
and
the
recommendations
that
have
been
put
forward
to
you,
and
I'd
also
like
to
thank
matt
very
much
for
bringing
forth
the
voices
of
the
organisms
that
currently
live
and
call
the
tannery
lands
home
today.
AA
I
would
specifically
like
to
address
turtles
kingston's
concerns
regarding
the
wetland
remediation
and
the
proposed
mzo.
First
I'd
like
to
provide
some
clarification
to
counselors.
I
have
a
background
in
environmental
science
and
hydrogeology,
and
I
want
to
let
you
know
that
wetlands
are
natural,
sediment
sinks.
They
are
even
if
they're
contaminated
commonly
left,
as
is
because
even
without
being
remediated,
the
sediments
that
are
contaminated
typically
stay
in
the
wetlands
and
they
aren't
transported
off
that
location.
AA
Now
it
has
been
stated
several
times
during
even
this.
This
meeting
and
other
meetings
that
the
wetlands
sediments
can
migrate
into
the
cataract
way
river,
but
I
have
yet
to
actually
see
evidence
that
this
is
happening
and
the
evidence
that
the
proponent
has
continuing
to
put
forward
is
the
historical
evidence
that
contaminants
have
moved
off-site,
not
that
they
are
currently
going
off-site.
AA
Now,
if
we
are
interested
in
remediating
the
wetlands
and
pursuing
an
mzo,
there
are
really
two
ways
that
remediation
of
wetlands
are
done.
The
first
is
by
extracting
the
contaminated
sediments,
so
digging
it
up
and
re-establishing
wetland
plants
to
maintain
the
ecological
value
of
the
wetland
itself.
The
other
way
is
by
capping
something
that
is
being
suggested.
AA
AA
AA
AA
A
C
Thank
you,
and
through
chair,
I'm
going
to
kick
us
off
with
the
answers
to
this
level
of
questioning.
I
will
be
directing
some
questions
to
mr
patrick's
team
and
then
subsequently,
potentially
some
of
our
internal
departments
as
well.
So
thank
you,
everyone
for
your
comments.
So
far.
The
staff
report
that
we
have
put
together
in
our
opinion,
is
appropriate
and
comprehensive
for
the
step
that
we
are
at
in
moving
this
development
forward.
We
are
dealing
with
zoning,
an
official
parent
framework
which
establishes
the
basis
of
land
use
for
a
site.
C
It's
really
the
first
step
in
understanding
what
can
actually
be
developed
on
lands
and
whether
that's
appropriate
and
taking
into
consideration
all
of
the
inputs
into
this
process
to
date
from
the
technical
studies
to
the
reviews,
staff
have
determined
that
the
the
recommendation
that
we
put
forward
is
appropriate
to
move
to
the
next
step
with
this
application,
a
lot
of
what
I've
heard
so
far
raised
in
order
around
the
independent
review
of
the
wetlands.
Sorry,
the
hydrogeological
remediation
coordination
with
the
federal
processes
that
are
happening
on
the
inner
harbor
area.
C
A
lot
of
those
details
are
percolating
they're
happening,
but
not
necessarily
at
that
next
stage
level.
Yet
the
federal
government
is
still
working
on
their
plans
for
the
inner
harbor,
but
at
the
same
time
these
lands
don't
have
the
zoning
in
an
established
in
order
to
be
able
to
move
to
that
next
stage.
C
I
disagree
with
the
sentiment
that
this
m-zodo
and
the
process
that
we
put
forward
is
more
for
expedience.
I
would
argue
that
a
five-year
public
process
for
an
application
to
come
to
a
recommendation
isn't
expedient
and
that's
not
what
we're
using
the
tool
for
we've
done.
A
full
comprehensive
review
of
this
application
with
the
submitted
documentation
to
land
at
the
recommendation
that
we've
done
today.
This
isn't
us
putting
forward
an
empty
shell
for
consideration
to
the
ministry
through
the
documents
we've
prepared
for
the
mzo
for
consideration,
we've
built
those
some
provisions,
we've
reviewed
them.
C
C
AB
AB
AB
AB
This
wetland
is
not
helping
the
local
ecology,
the
porsche
it's.
The
off-site
contamination
has
been
well
documented.
I've
observed
clear
off-site
views
during
the
major
increases
in
water
that
we
had
in
lake
ontario.
I
think
about
three
years
back.
It
was
quite
evident,
that's
a
pulse
event,
but
you
still
get
leaching
and,
and
the
work
by
xcg
really
shows
this
quite
clearly
anyway.
AB
The
portions
of
the
wetland
that
are
being
filled
in
are
mostly
filled
with
dense,
narrow,
leaved
cocktail.
This
is
a
non-native
invasive
species.
It's
done
a
lot
to
harm
coastal
wetlands
in
lake
ontario,
so
even
if
it
wasn't
contaminated,
that
could
be
a
target
not
for
filling
in
but
for
for
improvement.
But
it's
contaminated
so
just
put
that
off
the
table,
the
area
being
filled
in
it's
not
turtle,
habitat
for
nesting
overwintering
or
feeding
the
containers
being
transferred
off
site
are
not
helpful
to
local
species,
including
turtles.
AC
AC
So
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
detail
on
these
things
as
we
move
forward
tara
bauer.
Also,
I
wanted
to
respond
on
that.
She
talked
about
the
contaminants
in
the
wetland
and
she
indicated
that
that,
in
her
view
that
those
contaminants
remain
in
the
tend
to
remain
in
a
wetland
and
don't
move
from
it.
The
evidence
that
we've
seen
indicates
otherwise.
AC
We
would
not
support
doing
a
destructive
intensive
remediation
of
that
kind.
Some
of
the
contamination
in
the
wetland
extends
to
depths
of
four
or
five
meters,
so
there'd
be
a
great
deal
of
destructive
and
intensive
digging
and
dewatering
required
in
order
to
accomplish
that
and
a
large
cost
in
terms
of
impact
on
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions
from
trucking
that
away,
and
it
would
have
to
go
quite
far
to
hazardous
waste
disposal
facilities
because
of
the
severity
of
the
contamination.
C
C
Those
parts
will
be
reviewed
at
a
later
date
in
greater
detail
through
the
more
implementing
mechanisms,
but
for
the
support
of
this
application
and
the
initial
review
by
the
crca
parks,
canada
in
the
city,
the
landscape
strategy,
which
is
about
a
six-page
document
with
imagery
depicting
what
was
to
be
proposed
on
site.
Part
of
that
was
reviewed
in
my
presentation.
C
I
was
also
accompanied
by
a
14-page
document
that
speaks
to
how
certain
areas
of
the
site
would
function.
How
would
be
re-naturalized
how
the
water's
edge
would
be
provided
to
be
stable,
but
looking
at
a
kind
of
naturalized
condition,
looking
at
native
shrub
species
and
the
like
to
re-establish
those
habitats,
so
those
considerations
will
be
there
and
another
thing
that
I
thought
about
was
when
we're
implementing
these
key
features,
and
this
goes
back
to
a
question
counselor
of
sanic
posed
earlier.
C
A
B
Z
Z
Z
Z
It's
relied
on
by
ducks
yeast
all
sorts
of
amphibians
and
insects,
while
I
support
densification
in
general,
wetlands
should
not
be
built
over
and
that
remediation
shouldn't
be
followed
by
building
over
such
a
sensitive
type
of
ecosystem.
Now,
more
broadly
in
other
areas
of
kingston
anywhere,
where
there
isn't
an
environmental
issue
like
that
for
building,
we
should
be
building
to
more
density.
There
is
a
massive
housing
crisis
in
kingston
I
am
a
renter
and
most
of
my
friends
of
my
age
are
renters.
I
have
two
friends
who
have
been
renovated
recently
and
anytime.
Z
They
apply
to
a
place.
They
are
going
to
apply
to
a
place
where
there
are
10
or
20
or
30
other
applicants
because
there's
nowhere
to
live.
We
have
a
growing
homelessness
problem
and
that
pipeline
to
homelessness
includes
every
renter
who
is
at
risk
of
being
renovated.
Who
is
at
risk
of
being
pushed
out
and
we
need
more
density
just
because
we
shouldn't
be
building
over
wetlands
doesn't
mean
we
should
be
allowing
nimbyism
to
stop
medium
and
higher
density
developments
elsewhere
in
kingston
anywhere,
where
it's
environmentally
sustainable.
Z
H
AD
Fortunately,
most
members
of
the
planning
committee
responded
well
to
the
citizens.
Concerns
mayor.
Brian
patterson
believes
it's
important
to
recognize
that
there
have
been
four
years
of
debates
and
discussions
regarding
this
development
mayor
paterson.
We
encourage
you
to
adopt
a
wider
perspective
on
this
issue.
AD
AD
AD
There
are
many
mature
trees
on
the
site,
including
oaks,
aspen's,
willows
and
maples.
While
many
native
species
are
present
here,
we
challenge
the
developers
argument
that
non-native
species
are
inherently
less
valuable.
All
trees
are
valuable
in
the
face
of
climate
change,
the
forest
will
mature
further
through
natural
processes.
AD
It
is
quite
unique
for
a
city
to
have
such
wildlife
present
in
its
downtown
core.
We
need
to
think
of
the
land
here
in
the
same
way
that
central
park
exists
in
new
york
or
mount
royal
dust
for
montreal
bell
island,
along
with
bell
park
and
the
tannery
site
provide
a
continuous
semi-wilderness
through
which
wildlife
can
flow.
AD
This
is
a
boon
which
could
never
be
replaced
if
it
was
removed.
It's
an
ecosystem
which
has
been
mistreated
throughout
settler
history,
ending
up
in
its
present
degraded
state,
but
is
now
healing
we
consulted
with
phytoaction
a
montreal-based
organization
aiming
to
enable
the
implementation
of
environmental
management
projects.
AD
AD
They
recommend
that
the
shoreline
and
turf
habitat
should
never
be
modified
during
the
summer
where
heat
records
are
being
shattered.
We
can't
make
decisions
like
we
would
have
even
four
years
ago,
counselors
voted
unanimously
to
declare
a
climate
emergency,
and
it's
time
that
we
saw
commitment
to
that
at
every
turn,
including
at
this
important
vote
today
we
must
produce
greenhouse
gases
and
save
the
existing
environment
from
degradation
one
or
the
other
is
not
sufficient.
AE
AE
In
our
view,
after
five
years,
the
developer
is
still
not
provided
members
of
the
planning
committee
with
adequate
information
to
enable
you
to
make
a
confident
decision
about
a
project
of
this
complexity.
We
have
four
main
concerns
and
you've
heard
about
some
of
them.
So
I'll
reduce
my
remarks
a
little
bit.
First,
is
the
missing
hydrogeologists
you're
hearing
a
lot
about
groundwater
tonight.
AE
Groundwater
is
how
the
tannery
site
communicates
with
the
river.
It's
what
makes
the
tannery
part
of
an
interconnected
ecosystem
and
not
just
a
generic
piece
of
land.
It's
why
this
is
not
just
another
apartment
development
application
henry
said
is
limestone
on
the
shore
of
a
river
that
feeds
into
lake
ontario.
It's
next
to
a
unesco
world
heritage
site
and
a
few
hundred
meters
away
from
one
of
the
most
important
indigenous
sites
in
the
region.
AE
Would
it
not
be
beneficial
to
make
your
decision
on
this
application,
knowing
in
advance
what
is
actually
happening
with
the
flow
of
water
through
and
out
of
the
property
in
the
next
year,
or
so?
The
federal
government
hopes
to
launch
a
70
million
dollar
project
to
clean
up
contaminants
in
the
river.
AE
It
might
not
be
germane
to
the
ministry,
but
it
certainly
remains
to
the
house
of
the
literal
ecosystem.
So
this
is
clearly
a
question
that
must
be
answered
by
the
city.
We
can't
wait
for
the
province
to
answer
it
and
it
will
not
be
answered
later
in
the
process.
Number
two,
like
many
others.
River
first,
is
concerned
about
the
proposed
capping
and
destruction
of
a
provincially,
significant
wetland
and
the
suggestion
that
the
city
requests
an
mcedo
to
facilitate
this
process.
AE
We
are
especially
worried
about
the
kind
of
precedent
the
city
would
be
setting
such
a
move.
What
city?
I
disagree
with
comment
made
earlier,
which
city
on
the
shores
of
lake
ontario
does
not
have
degraded
wetland
habitat
that
developers
might
want
to
build
on
if
they
thought
the
planning
permissions
would
be
easier
to
get
in
some
places
like
the
inner
harbor
degraded
wetland
is
all
we
have
left
as
a
consequence
of
previous
unr
regulated
industrial
practices.
AE
Organizations
that
have
faced
themselves
in
other
cities
warned
of
their
consequences,
especially
the
fact
that
they
shift
decision-making
powers
to
the
province
in
the
case
of
the
tannery,
the
city
would
control
could
possibly
lose
control
of
the
many
still
unknowns
of
this
project.
The
features
of
the
project
that
have
only
been
examined
quote
from
a
high
level
or
a
bird's
eye
view
the
many
to
be
determined
that
are
scattered
throughout
the
report.
AE
The
holding
symbols
on
major
essential
components
like
the
landscape
plan,
the
groundwater
management
plan,
the
wetland,
compensation
plan
and
mzo
could
shift
decisions
and
approvals
of
these
components
to
the
process.
Why
would
you
want
to
give
control
to
the
pro
to
the
province
before
you
had
actually
made
decisions
on
these
important
aspects
of
the
project?
Third,
the
wetland
compensation
plan
itself.
The
wetland
conservation
strategy
for
ontario
makes
very
clear
that
provincially
significant
coastal
wetlands
should
not
be
eligible
for
offsetting
period.
AE
We
ask
again
why
kingston
will
want
to
set
a
precedent
that
could
be
a
vote
to
lead
to
the
destruction
of
urban
wetlands
elsewhere.
Is
that
the
legacy
of
your
soon
to
be
finished
term
of
council?
We
are
concerned
that
members
of
planning
committee
do
not
have
that
yet
have
enough
information
about
what
the
compensation
plan
is.
Where
will
the
site
be
located?
How
big
is
it?
How
does
its
ecological
profile
compared
to
that
of
the
lost
wetland?
AE
We
believe
councillors
should
know
the
features
of
the
compensation
plan
before
agreeing
to
the
massive
precedent
setting
zoning
changes
that
will
be
required
to
make
it
happen
and
to
take
into
account
the
results
of
research
done
by
ontario
nature
and
others.
The
offsetting
is
not
as
successful
in
preventing
biodiversity
loss,
as
people
once
might
have
thought
ecosystems
are
not
interchangeable.
G
Hi,
thank
you
before.
Oh,
I
am
chris
hargreaves
40
60
bath
road
in
kingston,
I'm
speaking
as
chair
of
the
kingston
field,
mattress
conservation
committee.
But
before
commenting
on
the
storm
water
issues,
I
would
just
like
to
follow
up
on
councillor
hill's
question
earlier
on.
As
to
whether
there
were
any
other
contaminated
provincially,
significant
wetlands
known,
the
comment
was
no,
they
are
not
known.
G
They
are
concerned
that,
although
contaminated
provincially,
significant
wetlands
may
not
yet
be
identified,
the
practice
of
dumping
industrial
pollution
into
wetlands
was
widespread
across
ontario.
At
the
moment,
provincially
significant
wetlands
are
off
limits
for
development.
Ontario.
Nature's
concern
is
that,
once
you
have
a
precedent
that
somebody
can
go
in
and
remediate
a
provincially,
significant
wetland
and
then
develop
on
it,
it
will
open
the
floodgates
to
developers
all
over
the
province
wanting
to
re-examine
provincially
significant
wetlands
discovering
there
is
pollution
in
them
asking
for
mzos
and
developing
them.
G
G
G
G
G
G
A
A
AF
AF
A
AG
I
can
hear
you,
sir.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
councillor,
kylie
one
moment
please.
Yes,
thank
you.
The
greater
kingston
chamber
of
commerce
is
your
voice
in
business,
supporting
our
members
and
their
interests
to
ensure
they
maximize
their
growth
and
potential.
We
strive
to
work
collaboratively,
including
meaningful
consultation
and
engagement,
to
influence
good
policy
through
discussion
meeting
and
understanding.
We
provide
viable
solutions
and
arguments
to
strengthen
commerce
throughout
the
region.
AG
AG
Housing
availability
is
intrinsic
to
drive
the
economy
and
our
businesses
fostering
sustainability
and
growth
opportunities,
then
dennis
the
davis
tannery
lands
are
a
brownfield
site
of
approximately
37
acres
along
the
shore
of
the
great
kharagwai
river
northern
edge
of
downtown
kingston.
The
city
has
highlighted
that
the
land
is
strategically
important
to
redevelop
for
the
entire
inner
harbor
neighborhood.
AG
This
is
a
two-step
process.
First
involves
the
environmental
cleanup
of
the
location.
The
second
is
the
residential
commercial
development.
The
pod
the
project
also
dovetails
with
the
inner
harbor
cleanup.
The
federal
government's
71
million
dollar
inhere
harbor
proposal
will
be
successful
if
the
tannery
lands
are
rehabilitated.
AG
The
scope
of
cleaning
the
tannery
site
is
is
substantial.
The
foliage,
including
all
trees
and
grasslands,
have
been
contaminated
for
decades
from
the
soil.
This
is
just
not
a
kingston
concern
with
contaminants
continuing
to
leach
into
the
soil
and
then
be
transported
via
foliage
into
the
air
and
the
waterway
to
adjoining
regions
near
and
far.
This
is
also
concerned
with
all
wildlife
carrying
these
contaminants
through
my
micro
magnatory
migratory
pass.
Sorry,
a
targeted
restoration
of
the
dangerous
lands
can
benefit
not
just
the
proposed
development,
but
begin
protecting
and
rehabilitate
rebuilding
the
habitat.
AG
This
project
fits
well
with
the
sydney's
climate
leadership
plan
and
there's
three
points
I
want
to
address
here.
First
is
increasing
housing,
affordability
and
availability,
the
tannery
site
development
is
designed
to
be
inclusive,
sustainable
and
diverse,
prospective
residents
will
be
seeking.
Housing
who
are
seeking
housing
will
not
be
turned
away
based
on
demographics.
AG
The
project
will
support
downtowns
adjoining
businesses
and
generate
more
residential
property
tax,
while
producing
economic
growth
initially
through
local
contract
work,
surveying
and
the
real
estate
market.
This
is
this
is
one.
This
is
one
of
the
largest
investments
that
the
city
has
ever
and
could
ever
see
at
nearly
1
billion
dollars
in
value.
The
annual
tax
revenues
could
be
close
to
over
12
million
dollars,
based
on
the
2021
mill
rates.
The
resulting
property
taxes
could
pay
for
vital
infrastructure
projects
like
parks,
roads
and
bridges.
AG
In
conclusion,
we
look
to
other
cities
and
how
they've
moved
forward
on
transforming
legacy
industrial
lands
around
waterfronts
and
how
they
were
made
safe
and
accessible
to
residents.
The
city
of
hamilton
has
a
beautiful
inner
harbor
from
legacy
steel
production.
Today,
you
can
find
a
pathway
in
circling
their
inner
harbor
with
hundreds,
if
not
thousands,
of
city
residents,
biking,
running
walking
and
enjoying
the
wildlife
and
water
of
the
inner
harbor.
AG
There's
been
much
debate
about
the
vision
of
our
waterfront.
The
patriarchy
proposal
represents
an
opportunity
to
sustain
and
grow
a
healthy
community,
while
at
the
same
time
puts
to
effort
affect
use
of
what
vacant
land
so
close
to
the
downtown
core.
A
strong
downtown
enhances
the
local
economy,
quality
of
life
retains
and
creates
jobs,
helps
small
businesses
makes
better
use
of
existing
lands
and
infrastructure
projects
and
increases
property
values.
The
greater
kingston
chamber
of
commerce
supports
the
project,
the
patriot
development,
as
it
aligns
with
several
business
and
environmental
initiatives.
Moreover,
the
project
is
without
precedent.
AG
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Sorry,
I
just
needed
to
adjust
my
camera.
Apparently.
Last
time
I
had
cut
off
half
my
head.
While
I
was
speaking
so
you
can
see
all
of
it
now.
Thank
you,
everyone
again
for
your
comments.
This
round,
I'm
gonna
start
by
answering
the
questions
and
then
look
to
my
colleagues
for
supplementation.
C
Regarding
the
cleanup
of
the
inner
harbor,
I
think
mr
mcclatchy
had
a
really
good
set
of
answers
to
this
question
previously
about
the
importance
of
cleaning
up
this
site
in
relation
to
the
works
happening
in
the
inner
harbor
with
the
federal
government
and
how
the
sediment
transfer
from
this
ice
site
through
erosion
represents
a
risk
to
those
rehabilitated
lands
if
they
are
done
not
in
lockstep
with
this
site.
So
I
do
not
think
I
need
to
reiterate
that
too
much.
I
will
note
on
page
509
of
the
report.
C
It's
a
communication
from
miss
agnew
that
answered
a
series
of
questions,
and
she
also
in
this
communication
from
january
of
2022
reiterated
the
shallow
soils
of
the
tannery
and
the
properties
are
likewise
contaminated
with
heavy
metals
and
pose
a
risk
to
human
ecological
receptors
of
the
inner
harbor
through
erosion
processes,
especially
along
the
shoreline.
So
that
was
another
part
of
that
communication
for
stormwater
management.
C
The
report
that
was
submitted
with
the
application
at
the
time
of
zoning
bylaw
amendment
an
official
plan
amendment
demonstrates
the
feasibility
of
detailing
and
dealing
with
stormwater
on
the
site.
It
does
it
at
a
very
high
level
because
those
specific
implementations,
the
the
pipes
that
go
in
the
ground,
the
levers,
the
measures
and
maneuvers
that
are
put
in
place
in
order
to
deal
with
storm
water,
are
handled
at
the
detailed
design
stage.
It's
not
a
zoning
consideration.
C
C
C
So
all
of
those
have
been
reviewed
and
internally
by
city
staff,
as
well
as
our
partner
organizations,
and
the
feasibility
report
was
deemed
satisfactory
for
the
zoning
and
official
plan
amendment
stage
and
those
greater
details
again.
Those
are
going
to
come
through
at
the
subdivision
and
site
plan
control
stage.
F
Yes,
thank
james
I'll,
just
start
and
briefly
respond.
I
think
it
was
ms
adams
who
spoke
on
the
the
level
of
consultation
just
to
clarify
the
difference
that
when
we
speak
of
consultation
under
the
constitution,
that's
a
crown
obligation.
The
federal
government
and
the
provincial
government
has
to
speak
with
indigenous
governments
where
interests
are
in
fact
affected
and
that's
not
something.
The
municipality
has
an
independent
role
in,
although
when
we're
working
with
federal
partners
like
the
third
crossing,
we
do
participate
in
it.
I
Thank
you,
and,
and
through
you.
I
think
I
would
just
add
to
this
that
in
the
report
that
has
been
brought
forward,
considerations
raised
by
indigenous
community
members
have
been
responded
to
and
included,
and
so
I
think
it
not
necessarily
entirely
accurate
to
suggest
that
there
wasn't
a
hearing
of
indigenous
concern,
but
I
also
think
we
have
to
be
very
honest
about
the
complexity
of
the
indigenous
community
in
kingston.
I
There
are
over
7000
urban
indigenous
community
members
in
kingston
and
they
don't
align
and
organize
in
the
same
ways
that
nations,
be
they
elected
or
hereditary,
may
do
and
that's
not
an
excuse,
but
I
think
we
also
have
to
reflect
on
the
wisdom.
That's
shared
from
community
when
they
come
forward,
but
also
the
wisdom
to
understand
that
not
all
voices
are
at
that
table
and
we've
been
working
with
the
direction
of
counsel
over
the
last
six
years
to
try
to
create
better
tables
tables
that
are
safe
tables
that
are
culturally
sensitive
and
inclusive.
I
It's
an
imperfect
process
and
we're
very
humble
to
that
reality,
but
we
are
very
open
to
the
voices
that
come
forward.
We
do
hear
the
concerns
that
have
been
raised.
You
know
consideration
of
the
oak
and
how
it
may
be
protected
or
maintained
on
the
site.
There
was
a
very
detailed
study
that
resulted
from
that
issue
that
was
raised
and
supported
by
indigenous
residents
as
a
primary
concern,
and
I
think,
all
of
the
standing
ones
the
trees
on
the
property
are
considered
and
have
been
considered
and
are
continuing
to
be
discussed
tonight.
I
Absolutely
our
heritage
comments
reflect
a
commitment
to
supporting,
in
particular,
through
the
the
detailed
processes
to
come,
the
opportunities
for
increased
engagement
with
local
residents
around
what
they
would
like
to
see
as
part
of
the
property's
development
when
we
move
it
as
something
that's
more
sort
of
about
this
kind
of
concept
plan
stage
into
something
that's
more
about
what
is
it
going
to
look
like
on
the
ground,
and
then
how
can
we
work
with
community
members
to
do
that
in
a
good
way?
I
would.
I
I
You
know
these
are
all
ways
that
we,
as
a
community,
through
the
direction
of
council,
have
committed
to
the
process
of
reconciliation,
and
I
just
humbly
and
with
honesty
and
truth
just
want
to
say
it's
a
very
difficult
and
challenging
relationship
for
everyone
involved,
and
we
just
are
doing
the
very
best
we
can
to
hear
as
many
voices
as
we
possibly
can.
It
is
an
imperfect
process.
It
is
a
very
different
process
than
duty
to
consult
for
obligations
under
legislation
from
the
province.
Thank
you.
C
A
M
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
james
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
I've
heard
we've
heard
a
few
comments
that
seem
to
imply
that
there's
there's
a
lack
of
hydrogeological
information
about
the
property
and
I
I
just
want
for
everybody's
sake.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out.
There
is
actually
quite
a
bit
of
hydrogeological
assessment.
That's
been
done.
It's
available
within
the
phase
two
environmental
site
assessment
report.
M
It
has
looked
into
the
geology,
subsurface
geology
of
the
property,
it's
examined
the
groundwater
elevations
and
flow
directions,
hydraulic
gradients
and
conductivities,
and
the
amount
of
contaminants
in
the
groundwater.
So
we
know
we
know
how
deep
the
groundwater
is.
We
know
what
direction
it
flows
in.
We
know
how
fast
it
flows
and
we
know
what
kind
of
contamination
this
is
within
it.
M
I
also
wanted
to
refer
reaffirm
that
the
ministry
of
environment,
conservation
and
parks,
review
process
of
the
remediation
plan
starts
with
examining
the
phase
two
hydrogel
or
phase
two
assessment
of
the
site.
They
don't
presume
that
the
site
is
dirty.
They
want
to
make
sure
that
the
the
applicants
have
got
their
characterization
correct,
so
they
will
be
looking
at
the
hydrogeological
information.
M
That's
there,
as
well
as
the
soil,
information
and
the
surface
water
and
so
forth,
and
it's
not
uncommon
to
see
the
ministry
of
the
environment
come
back
and
ask
for
supplemental
information
before
they
even
start
going
to
the
next
step,
which
is
how
do
you
remediate
what
the
problems
are?
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
so
that,
for
the
benefit
of
people
that
are
concerned
about
such
things,.
P
Thank
you
through
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
would
speak
again
reiterate
some
comments.
I
made
about
the
wetland
remediation
approach
again
we're
treating
it
as
wetland
remediation
with
the
understanding
that
there
is
ongoing,
off-site
leaching
migration
of
contaminants
from
from
the
information
we've
reviewed
and
the
understanding
through
discussions
with
with
the
consultant
and
past
data.
P
So
the
key
question
is
again
how
remediation
occurs.
Fundamentally,
the
goal
or
the
objective
conservation
authorities
is
to
protect
downstream,
whether
that's
human
or
wildlife
populations.
So
capping
is
what
we
understand
to
be
the
the
primary
approach.
There
are
reasons
for
that,
both
I
believe
from
a
feasibility
perspective,
but
also
in
terms
of
allowing
for
a
level
of
development
at
the
site
that
will
therefore
foot
foot
the
bill
for
for
contamination.
P
P
That
said,
we
are
in
a
position
where
we,
as
I
said
before,
we
we
trust,
and
we
have
confidence
in
the
ministry's
review
rule
and
are
aware
that
the
conservation
authority
can
have
a
strong
role
in
that
process.
Of
course,
our
role
is
is
limited
in
a
permitting
from
a
permitting
perspective.
If
an
mzo
is
is
passed
for
the
site.
P
The
indicators
show
that
it
would
be
off-site
on-site.
It
is
appears
not
to
be
feasible
because
of
the
the
the
extent
of
contamination,
so
we're
working
closely
with
the
developer
to
find
a
property
nearby
within
the
same
watershed
within
the
municipality,
where
compensation
can
occur,
to
create
at
a
minimum
one-to-one
compensation
for
the
wetland
area
lost
and,
ideally
greater
greater
than
that
minimum
one-to-one
we've
seen
as
noted
by
some
members
of
the
public
concerns
with
the
efficacy
of
compensation.
A
B
AH
All
right
that
am,
I
spit.
Can
you
hear
me
all
right
right?
So
my
name's
elsewith
lamplu?
I
live
at
one
six,
three,
nine
bato
lane
ganonoque
k7g
2v5
I'd.
Actually,
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
say
much
because
it's
mostly
been
said
what
I
wanted
to
say
about,
but
I
think
I
just
I
feel
what
we're
losing
track
of
with
all
this,
which
has
been
fascinating,
actually
listening
to
what's
proposed
and
etc,
etc.
AH
AH
The
other
thing
that
I
feel
is
that
I
was
shocked
to
hear
that
there's
been
virtually
no
consultation
with
first
nations
people,
and
I
know
I
mean
people
have
been
saying
that
there's
no
duty
to
do
so
and
and
because
it's
private
land
etc.
But
I
think
it
would
be
a
courtesy
to
do
that
and
it
would
be
tricky.
I'm
sure
I
mean
I'm
sure
it's
the
indigenous
community
in
kingston
is
complicated
and
it
would
be
tricky,
but
I
think
it
would
be
a
courtesy
and
there's.
Actually.
AH
AH
AI
Hi,
my
name
is
byron
evans.
I
live
at
42
leroy
grant
drive
here
in
kingston.
I
I'd
like
to
kind
of
preface
this
a
little
bit
and
say
I
know
we're
in
a
a
climate
crisis,
but
we
are
actually
in
a
much
more
dire
housing
crisis.
It
takes
me
all
of
five
minutes
to
walk
downtown
and
to
see
the
number
of
people
living
in
tents,
living
rough
and
living
in
locations
that
are
not
ideal.
AI
AI
Why
are
we
not
celebrating
the
fact
that
we
have
access
to
building
more
spaces
for
people
to
live
in?
Yes,
there
is
a
climate
emergency.
Yes,
there
is
a
global
pandemic.
Yes,
there
is
a
cost
crisis,
but
there
is
now
a
real
personal
issue
where
people
are
living
in
these
extreme
temperatures.
People
are
driving
further
and
further.
AI
As
we
see
new
sub
developments
in
other
cities,
as
naponne
is
expanding,
as
we
see
brockville
and
belleville
expanding
and
people
are
working
in
kingston,
it
seems
alarming
to
me
that
people
are
not
realizing
how
many
people
they're
putting
out
of
their
homes
if
we
only
take
but
a
short
five
minute,
walk
from
the
tannery
site
development
to
the
hub
care
center,
we'll
see
hundreds
of
people
living
rough,
although
not
every
single
unit
in
this
development
will
be
affordable
housing.
The
sheer
fact
that
1700
units
will
enter
the
market
supply
will
help
lower
the
cost.
AI
Overall
kingston
has
had
one
of
the
worst
hit
housing
crisis
in
the
country.
We
are
only
a
hundred
thousand
sub
people,
you're
talking
a
country
of
38
million.
It's
almost
unheard
of
so
I
have
to
say
I
fully
support
the
development.
I
fully
hope
that
we
go
forward
with
it
because
we
need
places
to
live
no
matter
what
else
happens.
AI
N
A
AJ
O
Thank
you
chair
just
and
I'm
this
is
just
out
of,
I
guess,
to
be
cautious
and
and
fair.
My
understanding
was
that
we
would
listen
to
individual
speakers
and
speak
and
as
speaker
on
behalf
of
organizations.
I
think
ms
o'hara
is
the
third
speaker
that
has
identified
themselves
with
clear
cuts,
kingston,
so
just
wondering
if
there's
a
ruling
on
that,
if
that's
consistent
with
what
our
practices.
A
Okay,
give
me
a
second:
we
want
to
be
fair.
That's
a
good
point
to
raise.
I
know
in
the
notice
of
collection,
we
talk
about
persons
or
public
bodies.
So,
like
I
said
at
the
start,
organizations
are
more
than
fair
to
present.
Madam
clerk,
can
you
remind
me
just
from
a
chair's
perspective,
what
the
bylaw
says
in
terms
of
this?
Do
we
have
direction
if
multiple
people
from
the
organization
can
speak,
miss
o'hare,
don't
worry.
This
doesn't
count
for
your
time
and
we'll
actually
start
it
again.
B
L
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chair
and
planning
committee,
clearcuts
kingston
they're,
not
a
non-profit
organization,
they're,
not
a
a
for-profit
organization.
It's
just
a
group
of
people
that
get
together
and
as
I,
I
can't
believe
we're
actually
looking
up
the
rules
like
they're,
not
a
non-profit
with
a
president,
a
ceo,
etc,
etc.
L
A
I
can
give
a
bit
of
context
just
so.
We
make
sure
that
we're
being
completely
fair.
Other
organizations
have
emailed
me
today
as
chair
to
ask
if
this
would
be
a
situation
that
came
up.
This
happens
to
be
one
that
was
unanticipated.
So
here's
what
I
think
the
best
way
for
it
is
so
here
we
now
know
your
association
and
we
knew
that
already.
Actually,
so
you
can
continue
as
miss
o'hare
and
if
it
turns
out
the
procedural
bylaw
did
indicate
that
there
was
supposed
to
be
only
one
person
for
organization.
AJ
AJ
Don't
worry
about
the
many
unanswered
questions
about
patrice
project,
just
be
happy
and
vote
for
it.
For
example,
jim
neil
asked
about
consultations
with
the
indigenous
community.
That's
come
up
since,
from
my
conversations
with
indigenous
representatives
representatives,
the
conversion,
the
conversion
of
a
forest
into
a
concrete
jungle
right
across
from
the
top.
The
tiny
bay
from
bell
island
will
be
a
disaster
with
1700
plus
people
up
close
and
personal
and
the
lack
of
trees,
creating
a
heat
island
which
will
impact
temperatures
nearby.
AJ
But
don't
worry
and
don't
worry
about
the
mzo.
The
province
has
jurisdiction
over
psw's.
It
doesn't
matter
if
the
city
loses
any
and
all
democratic
control.
Let's
not
worry
about
that
and
don't
worry
about
the
unknown
remediation
process.
The
crca,
the
crca
has
confidence
that
the
appropriate
authorities
will
oversee
things.
AJ
AJ
AJ
Finally,
and
most
important,
as
others
have
said,
we
have
a
climate
crisis.
I
mean
it's
upon
us.
It's
going
to
destroy
our
children's
lives.
I
don't
understand
why
people
don't
get
that
and
it's
not
just
the
city
of
kingston.
That's
acting
naively
it's
the
whole
world
frankly,
but
we
we
have
to
have
new
values
and
ways
of
city
building.
We
simply
have
to
this.
This
project
is
old-fashioned.
AJ
AK
AK
It
was
a
redevelopment
of
an
industrial
plot
which
really
did
improve
the
look
of
the
downtown
once
it
got
fixed
and
it's
a
well-known
fact
that
in
the
bioenergy
world,
when
you
cut
down
a
tree
to
use
as
an
energy
source
and
plant
a
nutrient,
it
takes
50
years
to
even
up
the
carbon
emissions.
So
in
50
years
we
cut
down
a
tree,
there
it'll
be
a
long
time
and
a
long
way
into
the
cart
of
the
climate
crisis.
AK
I
live
on
30
john
street
by
the
way
very
near
montreal
street
and,
as
I
walk
along
there,
I
see
a
lot
of
industrial
land
that
really
could
be
significantly
improved
and
could
have
trees
planted
on
it
and
is
basically
not
very
well
utilized,
and
I
think
they
would
make
some
really
excellent
plate
sites
for
affordable
housing
there's.
Even
if
you
step
away
from
montreal
street,
you
look
at
the
corner
of
bagot
and
charles
there's
a
an
empty
lot.
AK
There
there's
an
empty
lot,
just
the
other
side
of
that
that
that
undeveloped
land
as
well
there's
all
sorts
of
land
there
that
could
be
used
for
that,
and
you
know
I,
if,
if
you
look
at
a
bell
island,
the
golf
course
which
doesn't
have
well,
you
wouldn't
have
to
take
all
the
trees
down
there.
You
have
lots
of
area
for
development
as
well.
I
think
the
opportunity
to
improve
that
area
to
make
the
kingstown
area
more
amenable
and
and
when
you're
driving
in
on
montreal
street
go
downtown.
AK
You'd
have
a
much
better
appearance.
If
a
lot
of
that
land
was
developed.
That's
that's
the
point
I
think
is
really
important.
Then,
if
mr
patri
would
be
willing
to
develop
some
of
that
other
land
and
that
could
somehow
be
bergen
by
the
city,
I
think
that
would
overall
have
a
much
better
end
result
both
for
the
climate
crisis
and
for
the
appearance
of
that
area
of
kingston.
AL
AL
All
land
and
life
and
water
is
provided
this
practices
oxygen,
and
we
all
have
the
capacity
to
love
back
that
deeply
to
our
mother
earth.
A
220
year
old
oak
tree
on
a
defined
local
ribbon
of
life
waterway
is
under
threat
of
murder
as
protectors
of
life.
We
guard
the
balance
that
perfect
design
of
creation.
AL
We
protect
the
life-givers
right
to
live
without
impunity.
We
are
all
one
on
this
issue.
This
disgraceful
action
cannot
happen
ever
look
beyond
money
and
managing
look
beyond
people
and
places.
We
implore
the
crafters
of
kingston
city
hall
to
review,
rewrite
and
reword
the
sanctions
and
the
permissions
we're
not
here
to
encourage
you.
We
are
here
to
refocus
you.
AL
AL
I
would
like
a
w-5
report
of
who
does
what,
when
where
and
why
I
find
what's
been
reported
way
too
wordy
every
expert's
got
their
little
pad
on
the
head,
their
little
top
sunshine.
Thank
you
very
much.
You've
written
paid
you're
done,
but
you
have
not
produced
anything
that
I
can
rely
on
and
look
at
without
taking
notes
at
this.
AL
AL
Do
we
have
to
bug
you?
Do
we
have
to
take
courses?
Do
we
have
to
phone
people?
We
know
you
owe
your
expertise
to
share
with
us
and
that's
what
I'm
asking
so
as
a
result
of
my
request
this
afternoon
and
I
will
not
not
be
able
to
live
with
the
murder
of
that
oak
tree.
I'm
I'm
just
stating
that
I
would
like
a
map
of
what
you're
doing
over
the
next
few
months
as
you
get
ready
to
do
your
mzo
stuff,
because
we
are
getting
ready
as
well.
AL
C
AM
The
developer
has
agreed
to
provide
the
city,
the
option
of
purchasing
or
securing
subsidized
rental
units
or
affordable
housing
units
that
the
housing
purchasing
programs.
The
city
currently
has
a
minimum
of
25
units
per
phase,
and
I
think
the
key
that's
important
to
to
realize
about
this
is
it's
very
difficult
right
now
to
say
the
city
can
secure
x
units
within
this
development
because
it
would
be
based
on
today's
rental
rates.
AM
AM
The
city
will
have
the
option
at
each
period
to
secure
those
units,
and
that
will
very
much
be
depending
upon
available
funding
sources
and
housing
programs
at
the
time
again
unknown
at
this
time.
So
we
would
be
reporting
out
on
any
of
the
purchase
of
those
units
or
exercising
of
those
units
to
council
to
get
their
approval
and,
as
I
say,
the
opportunity
is
there
to
secure
a
minimum
of
100
units
and
it
would
be
for
the
city
to
be
able
to
do
that
or
one
of
its
partnering
agencies.
AN
That
would
also
open
up
other
rental
units
of
those
individuals
that
would
be
moving
into
these
units
and-
and
I
really
think
it's
important
to
mention
that
the
timeline
of
this
development
is
obviously
as
as
director
parker
has
pointed
out.
Really,
you
know
we're
really
looking
at
a
longer
timeline
and
we
have
a
very
kind
of
more
urgent,
shorter
term
to
medium
term.
Need
with
you
know
some
of
the
presentations
that
we've
heard
with
people
that
are
finding
themselves
currently
unhoused.
AN
AN
I
also
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
that
we
are
aware
of
individuals
that
are
currently
and
in
the
past
have
been
using
the
tannery
sites
to
to
live.
There
is
a
very
regular
support
services
being
offered
to
those
individuals
and
and,
as
members
of
council
are
aware,
we
are
also
working
on.
You
know
trying
to
find
as
many
shorter
term
solutions
for
people
that
are
finding
themselves
in
encampments.
So
staff
is
very
aware,
and
we
are
trying
to
offer
services
for
those
that
are
willing
to
accept
them
as
well.
C
C
C
C
That,
too,
would
involve
ministry
of
environment
conservation
and
parks,
reviews
through
the
record
of
site
condition,
process
the
process
that
is
proposed
for
this
site
as
well.
It
is
a
highly
regulated
provincial
process
that
looks
to
and
how
best
to
remediate
sites
in
order
to
make
them
usable
for
other
uses
again
to
remove
contaminants,
contain
contaminants
and
allow
cities
and
life
to
continue
from
both
an
ecological
and
human
perspective.
C
There
are
a
lot
of
professionals,
both
internally
at
the
city
and
externally
with
patrick
here
this
evening.
We
are
professionals
in
our
own
right
for
the
professions
that
we
are
in.
We
are
accredited
professionals
that
speak
on
matters
related
to
our
disciplines.
We
are
here
tonight
to
support
this
development
because
there's
a
recommendation,
that's
been
put
forward.
C
That
speaks
to
the
positivity
of
this
development
that
speaks
to
the
appropriateness
of
it
within
this
area
and
that
it
meets
all
technical
standards
and
requirements
in
order
for
us
to
progress
past
this
stage
with
the
recommendation
that's
before
us.
That's
why
we're
all
here
today
regarding
any
and
all
democratic
control
being
released
for
the
enactment
of
an
mzo,
the
entirety
of
the
site
is
not
subject
to
this
level
of
application.
C
This
is
something
that's
gone
through
our
full
technical
review
process
to
establish
appropriate
zone
provisions,
and
this
we
just
need
something
a
little
different
than
our
typical
process
in
order
to
bring
it
forward,
which
is
why
the
n
said
it
was
there
once
and
if,
at
all,
the
m
zeta
was
approved,
we
still
have
additional
municipal
controls
through
the
subsequent
applications,
which
have
to
come
back
to
planning
committee,
both
the
draft
plan
of
subdivision.
Well,
sorry,
the
draft
plan
of
the
subdivision
has
to
come
back
in
a
full
report
through
a
public
meeting
like
we're.
C
Having
tonight
final
plan
of
subdivision
will
then
proceed
after
that
and
after
that,
cycling
control
and
that's
where
we
start
to
get
into
the
fine
grained
details.
But
what
we've
seen
from
our
technical
review
agencies
so
far,
including
the
crca
parks,
canada,
stormwater
review,
is
that
the
documents
submitted
demonstrate
the
feasibility
of
this
product
object
to
continue
on
to
the
next
stage.
C
AC
This
is
shipley
from
xcg.
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
little
bit
to
something
that
mr
mcclatchy
spoke
to
a
bit
earlier.
Mr
mcclatchy
pointed
out
that
there
has
been
quite
a
lot
of
hydrogeological
work
done
and
I
just
wanted
to.
I
don't
want
to
repeat
what
he
said,
but
I
just
want
to
add
that
that
yes,
in
fact,
a
number
of
members
of
the
public
have
expressed
concern
that
there's
not
enough
hydrogeological
information
about
the
groundwater
at
the
site
and
in
fact
we
did
produce.
AC
As
mr
mccarthy
pointed
out,
a
phase
two
report.
The
report
is
928
pages
long.
So
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
information.
In
that
report
we
did
over
60
monitoring
wells
into
the
groundwater
in
the
overburden
and
in
the
fractured
bedrock
as
well.
We
did
hydraulic
conductivity
testing,
we
prepared
maps
showing
the
flow
direction
of
the
groundwater.
A
All
right
not
hearing
any
action
right
now
we're
four
hours
in
so
we're
doing
well,
still
a
number
of
public
hands
up
thanks
for
everyone,
who's
participating
and
thanks
to
staff.
As
mr
barr
said-
and
I
know,
other
staff
have
echoed
too
that
everyone
here
tonight
is
just
doing
their
best
within
the
confines
of
the
profession,
and
we
want
to
keep
giving
the
benefit
of
the
doubt
that
that's
what
it
is.
A
So,
let's
discuss
and
debate
and
dissect
some
of
these
things,
but
we'll
make
sure
that
we
leave
a
personal
innuendo
and
other
suggestions
of
the
character
of
individuals
out.
I
think
that's
really
important
to
make
sure
that
we
make
a
good
decision
that
we're
doing
it
on
the
facts
before
us
and
and
not
bringing
in
kind
of
a
personal
angle.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
that
we're
grateful
for
everyone
participating.
A
We
have
a
bunch
left
to
go,
but
let's
make
sure
that
we
stay
within
what
the
city
actually
outlines
in
our
guidelines
for
public
participation
and
discourse
anyway
alrighty.
So,
madam
clerk,
we're
looking
at
six
hands
up
according
to
my
count,
and
I
think
that's
a
good
time
to
do
a
final
call
so
I'll
allow
you
to
do
that.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
through
you,
for
those
who
are
still
with
us
this
evening,
who
have
not
already
had
a
chance
to
speak
and
would
still
like
to
do
so.
If
you
can,
please
raise
your
hand
and
zoom
so
that
we
may
identify
the
rest
of
the
speakers
for
this
evening
and
again,
if
there's
anyone
else
who
would
like
to
add
their
name
to
the
list,
in
addition
to
the
six
that
already
have
their
hands
up
and
have
not
spoken
tonight.
A
J
Oh
good
evening,
my
name
is
carrie
hill
and
I
live
at
1900,
highway,
2
east
in
east
kingston,
and
many
of
the
points
that
I've
that
we've
heard
already
I'm
I
I
would
also
like
to
make.
Maybe
in
a
slightly
different
perspective,
I
am
fully
support
intensification,
but
nowhere
in
the
staff
report
is
there
in
the
equation
of
building
these.
This
1700
units
is
there
also
in
this
equation,
the
removal
of
a
forest.
J
We
are
in
a
climate
situation
that
we
must
turn
around
to
bypass
dire
consequences
for
all
living
beings
on
earth.
This
has
become
blatantly
apparent
for
most
of
us
over
the
past
few
years,
even
in
the
past
five
years
since
the
city
sold
the
tannery
property
to
the
developer,
perhaps
unwittingly
on
all
parties.
J
J
How
do
we
stop
heat
islands,
floods,
extreme
loss
of
biodiversity,
affordable
housing,
shortage,
heat
related
and
increased
co2
related
morbidity
and
mortality,
and
on
and
on
the
tannery
forest
and
wetlands
are
significant
partners
in
this
endeavor?
The
city
has
had
in
their
plan
to
develop
this
property
for
years,
and
they
have
not
budged
from
this
position.
J
J
Okay,
all
right!
No,
I
understand
that,
but
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
bylaw
amendment
amendments
and
tax
breaks
that
were
provided
in
the
beginning
of
this
development,
and
now
I
I
would
suggest
that
we
now
must
fairly
buy
him
out
so
that
the
forest
can
survive.
The
forest
must
not
be
destroyed
on
our
peril.
J
It
can
be
remediated
slowly
with
its
help
and
the
help
of
experts
in
the
field
like,
as
we
heard
earlier,
the
montreal-based
phytoaction
group-
and
I
think
business
and
politicians
must
now
see
outside
the
box
at
the
opportunities
this
new
urban
bios
reserve
could
gift
them
with
further.
We
must
understand
the
housing
crisis
for
what
it
is.
J
I
think
it's
about
5000
units
are
predicted
to
be
required
and
this
development
will
provide
almost
a
third
of
those
units.
Well
now,
let's
see
a
significant
fraction
of
the
number
predicted
to
be
required.
Has
already
been
built
on
princess
street
in
williamsville,
the
city
study
shows
that
roughly
40
percent
of
the
new
housing
required
is
for
affordable
units.
J
Some
of
these
are
currently
being
constructed
on
wright
avenue
and
planned
for
princess
street
north.
The
tannery
plan,
as
we've
all
heard,
is
to
build
25,
affordable
units
in
each
of
the
four
phases.
In
other
words,
the
first
25
units
won't
be
available
for
three
or
four
years
with
the
other
units
all
coming
online
in
10
to
12
years.
This
does
little
as
we've
heard
before,
for
the
citizens
that
need
housing.
Now,
the
health
of
all
living
beings
in
our
city
must
be
the
lens
the
council
uses
now
to
decide
on
their
vote
tonight.
AO
AO
AO
What
I
really
want
to
impress
upon
you
today
is
a
little
story
about
pre-colonial
times
when
this
was
algonquin
land
it
transferred
to
french
hands
and
mississaugas
into
the
mohawks,
but
this
was
algonquin
land
prior
to
contact
and
bell.
Island
is
a
sacred
site
because
it
is
a
burial
ground.
That
is
where
my
ancestors
lie,
and
it's
only
a
few
hundred
feet
from
where
you
want
to
kill
my
relatives,
those
standing
people,
the
trees,
those
are
our
relatives,
they
have
a
language
of
their
own.
AO
They
speak
to
one
another
underneath
the
ground,
as
does
the
moss
and
the
mushrooms,
and
we
know
this
now
through
science,
but
we've
known
this
for
eons
of
years.
Canada
is
very.
Very
young
in
kingston
is
even
younger
and
I'd
like
to
remind
you
that
this
is
indigenous
land
and
that
you
are
visitors
and
laurel
and
I
don't
often
agree
or
we
do.
But
tonight
we
agree.
AO
We
need
to
know
what
your
plan
is,
because
we
need
to
get
ready,
and
I
I
also
like
to
mention
that
you
know
around
last
summer
we
had
another
disagreement
and
I
think
we
all
know
what
happened
there
with.
Mr
sir
john
and
I
I
thank
you
all,
and
I
thank
you,
counselor
neil-
for
bringing
up
the
fact
initially
that
we
should
be
consulted.
AO
A
AP
AQ
Okay,
hello,
all
right,
we'll
start
your
time
now,
yeah,
my
name
is
lucille.
I'm
1900
highway,
2
eastern
kingston
yeah.
I
was
going
to
give
you
some
information
about
metals
and
all
sorts
of
things,
but
most
of
it's
been
covered
and
it's
just
a
point
of
argument
which
your
experts
will
no
doubt
was
huge,
but
that's
really
the
point
of
the
matter.
AQ
This
is
a
very
complicated
situation
that
you're
dealing
with,
and
you
know
I
I
very
much
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
you
and
apologize
really
for
keeping
you
up
so
late.
It's
well
past
my
bedtime,
but
nonetheless
I
would
like
to
make
a
couple
of
points,
and
one
is
just
a
general
point
that
the
process,
mr
patrick,
has
said
the
mzo
is
required
because
we
wish
to
develop
the
wetland,
and
I
would
argue
that
the
province
in
its
wisdom,
by
having
a
provincial
policy,
is
specific
to
prevent
this.
AQ
Mr
patrick
says
development
cannot
proceed
without
phase
four.
That
is
the
answer.
The
development
cannot
proceed
now
to
go
around
that
with
an
mzo,
that's
an
embarrassment,
and
if
you
do
decide
to
do
that,
I
say
shame
on
you,
but
that's
you
know,
that's
your
decision,
so
I
think
that's
the
crux
of
the
matter.
AQ
Now
that's
the
principle.
It
just
makes
it
bothers
consideration.
Now,
just
to
a
further
point
reiteration,
I
am
a
member
of
the
hot
shoney.
First
nation
and
the
city
of
kingston
always
begins
many
of
its
proceedings
with
the
land,
acknowledge
that
you
exist
on
unseated
territory.
Now,
what
does
that
mean?
AQ
That
consultation
has
to
take
place
now
with
first
nations,
otherwise
quick
with
the
airplay
about
unseated
territory.
This
is
what
it
means
when
you
say
that
you
have
to
consult
in
this
situation
when
you
wish
to
do
something
so
vile
to
this
environment
anyway.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
just
want
to
make
those
two
points,
and
I
say
goodnight
to
you
over
there.
AR
Thank
you
very
much.
Could
I
have
my
slides
up,
please.
I
am
speaking
tonight
on
behalf
of
building
kingston's
future
and
actually,
I'm
speaking
later
on
my
own
behalf,
but
this
is
building
kingston's
future,
as
you
know,
as
an
incorporated
ontario
company
that
shares
the
vision
of
making
kingston
a
smart
and
livable
city
next
slide.
Please
I'd
like
to
talk
to
you
in
a
general
sense
about
your
duty.
I
really
appreciate
staff's
responses
to
my
questions
over
the
last
while
and
counselor's
attention
to
this.
AR
This
planning
application,
which
is,
as
many
people
have
said,
complicated
and
also
extremely
important.
It
is
setting
the
tone,
the
precedent,
it's
putting
your
policies
on
climate
change
and
climate
emergency
to
a
test,
and
you
know
whether
50
people
speak
on
one
side
or
three
people
speak
on
one
side.
You
have
a
duty
as
elected
officials,
of
due
diligence.
AR
You
have
to
use
your
knowledge,
your
expertise,
your
your
capacity
as
elected
representatives
to
make
the
best
decision
for
our
community,
our
shared
community
and
it's
a
hard
job
and
it's
onerous
in
this
context,
especially
you
know.
I
wish
you
well
in
your
decision
making,
but
I
just
want
to
remind
you
that
it
is
a
big
job
that
you're
doing,
and
there
are
expectations
of
you
to
do
it.
Do
it
well
next
slide,
please.
AR
I
just
want
to
go
through
at
a
very
quick
level.
All
the
ways
in
which
the
planning
application
before
you
is
incomplete,
high
level
doesn't
have
information
that
you
need,
I
think,
to
make
an
informed
decision,
so
natural
hazards
and
flooding
it's
a
high
level.
The
entire
site
is
proposed
to
be
regraded.
What's
going
to
be
the
effect
of
that
regarding
the
regrading,
the
site
will
mitigate
the
future
potential
of
impacts.
We
hope
so
future
stages
next
slide,
please.
AR
AR
This
is
a
slide
from
one
of
the
submissions
you
have
in
the
in
the
staff
report,
showing
all
the
different
streams
that
come
onto
this
site
and
that's
why
people
really
would
like
to
hear
from
an
independent,
hybrid
geologist,
and
I
appreciate
kevin
shipley
from
xcg
and
paul
mcclatchy,
saying
that
there
has
been
a
lot
of
work
in
that
900
page
xcg
report.
But
I
think
what
council
was
trying
to
say
last
august
is:
please
tell
us
how
much
it
would
cost
to
hire
someone
independently
to
look
at
water
flow
and
give
us
advice.
AR
AR
We
don't
have,
as
far
as
I
know,
hydrogeology
expertise
within
the
city
staff
and
I'm
not
being
disrespectful
of
mr
mcclatchy
he's
expert
in
his
field,
but
this
is
a
specialty
next
slide,
please
these
two
pieces
of
wetland,
if
I
understand
correctly,
are
being
reason
the
staff
wants
you
to
rezone
these
two
pieces
based
on
their
own
assessment
of
the
wetland.
So
when
commissioner
agnew
said
earlier
tonight
that
you
need
an
mzo
for
the
wetland,
well,
staff
is
recommending
for
these
two
pieces.
AR
Why
does
one
piece
to
these
two
pieces
of
wetland
can
be
re-zoned
by
you
tonight
through
through
your
zoning
application,
and
this
other
chunk
has
to
go
to
an
mzo
next
slide,
please
so
stormwater
controls,
mr
hargreaves,
has
dealt
with
this
high
level.
We
don't
really
know
future
detail.
Further.
Details
will
be
required
next
slide.
Please
traffic
not
being
confirmed
what
is
the
impact
on
the
new
bridge
on
montreal
street
and
connections
and
impacts
and
mitigations?
It's
all
futuristic
next
slide.
Please,
infrastructure
services
at
a
high
level.
AR
The
city's
existing
water,
road
and
transit
infrastructure
are
or
will
be
sufficient.
Well,
if
they're
not
sufficient,
who
pays
for
that
next
slide?
Please
landscaping
tree
replacement.
Waterfront
we've
heard
a
bit
about
the
landscape
plan
next
slide.
Please
remediation
is
at
the
conceptual
stage.
This
plan
is
premised
on
the
point
that
you
have
to
cap
the
whole
site
with
buildings
or
roads
in
order
to
build
well
until
remediation
is
done.
You
don't
really
know
that
or
it's
not
done
but
planned
in
detail
next
slide,
please.
AR
A
Fair
enough
and
again
always
the
invitation
to
continue
to
dialogue
with
us
and
in
the
public
record,
of
course,
on
email
and
send
that
if
you
wish
and
if
I
could
as
chair
here
just
explain
the
situation
that
I
opened
earlier
mitch,
moca
will
be
presenting
again
now
as
herself,
based
on
the
fact
that
what
we
just
heard
was
building
kingston's
future.
It
happened
to
be
delivered
by
her,
but
she
was
the
public
body
in
that
case
and
now
as
an
individual
resident.
A
AR
Yes,
thank
you,
and
I
would
not
be
doing
this
except
the
rest
of
the
building.
Kingston's
future
board
is
away
because
it
is
sort
of
a
holiday
week.
I
want
to
talk
specifically
about
the
zoning.
You
are
being
asked
to
remove
all
the
epa
area,
all
the
environmental
protection
area
from
a
tiny
strip,
but
for
a
tiny
strip
on
the
water.
So
there's
no
more
ribbon
of
life
with
an
epa
designation,
you're
being
asked
to
remove
reduce
the
minimum
landscaped
open
space
to
25
instead
of
30.
AR
These
are
the
details
in
the
zoning
bylaw
staff
is
proposing
for
you
to
pass
you're
being
asked
to
allow
an
8-story
buildings
which
are
32
meters
in
height,
built
on
two
meters
of
fill,
meaning
they're
34
meters.
The
average
tree
grows
at
its
maturity
into
26
meters,
so
these
buildings
will
always
be
visible
above
mature
trees
that
take
30
years
to
get
there
you're
being
asked
to
allow
mechanical
structures
on
the
roof
solar
panels,
exhaust
glues,
antennae
masks,
it's
all
in
the
zoning
that
you've
got
before
you
with
no
height
limit,
so
potentially
these
buildings.
AR
AR
None
of
that
extra
ugly
stuff
on
top,
because
this
is
unesco
designated
river,
and
it
will
be
visible,
you're
being
asked
to
reminisce
to
reduce
the
minimum
setback,
which
is
usually
required
of
buildings
under
usual
zoning
for
like
to
almost
nothing,
I
think,
and
to
allow
a
five
percent
variance
which
I've
never
seen
before
in
zoning
that
there's
this
okay.
Well,
you've
got
this
step
back
and
if
you
want
to
mess
with
it
a
little
more,
you
can
do
a
little
more
you're
being
asked
to
allow
projections
into
the
required
setbacks,
balconies,
etc.
AR
So
that's
a
precedent
too.
We
we
saw
in
a
recent
development
where
the
developer
had
to
change
plans
and
move
those
balconies
inside
to
not
interfere
with
other
people's
rights.
What
why?
Why
would
you
allow
this
and
you're
also
being
asked
to
allow
a
step
back
of
only
point
three
meters,
which
is
like
a
foot
to
articulate
the
building
walls?
You
can
have
an
eight-story
building
with
a
very
minor
articulation,
and
I
think
that
that's
not
really
an
articulation.
AR
That's
just
a
you
know
a
piece
of
brick
in
between,
and
I
think
that
is
not
not
wise,
and
these
are
the
things
that,
if
you
approve
this,
zoning,
as
proposed
by
staff,
are
lost
forever
for
this
site.
You
won't
be
able
to
change
that
zoning.
This
is
the
zoning
the
developer
is
asking
for,
and
staff
is
recommending.
I
don't
agree
with
the
staff
recommendation,
obviously,
because
I
think
it
is
compromising
the
quality
of
construction
on
the
site.
AR
AR
So
you
want
to
set
that
standard
for
zoning
on
the
waterfront
for
the
future.
I
hope
not,
and
I
want
to
go
on
to
something
else-
and
I
haven't
left
myself
much
time
and-
and
we
have
heard
from
some
indigenous
people
tonight,
so
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
This
is
a
letter
that
is
in
your
package
that
I
wanted
to
read
aloud.
AR
I'm
writing
on
behalf
of
the
local
urban
indigenous
community.
I'm
a
honashone
both
of
my
parents
were
born
in
tiandenega
mohawk
territory.
As
you
are
probably
well
aware,
bell
island
remains
an
important
cultural
site
for
indigenous
people
in
and
around
cataractway.
We
host
gatherings
ceremonies
and
other
events
there
several
times
a
year.
The
area
is
also
home
to
a
burial
ground.
It
is
sacred
to
us,
j
patrick's
plan
to
plot
1500
apartments
onto
the
davis
tannery
will
not
only
put
millions
of
plants
and
animals
at
risk.
AR
AR
The
only
solution
is
to
leave
the
davis
tannery,
be
if
you
truly
care
about
reconciliation
after
hundreds
of
years
of
genocide,
I'm
confident
that
you
will
choose
to
stand
with
cataractway's
indigenous
community
and
I'm
embarrassed
to
read
that
as
a
white
settler,
but
I
felt
it
very
important
to
put
it
on
the
record
and
next
slide.
Please,
and
I
will
only
say
as
a
lawyer,
other
lawyers
would
dispute
that
the
city
has
no
obligation
to
consult
the
city.
AR
A
municipality
is
an
is
a
an
infant
of
the
of
the
provincial
government
that
does
have
a
duty
to
consult
and
fisheries
canada
when
they
get
involved
in
this
project
will
have
to
consult
with
indigenous
30
seconds.
Please
and
it
is
fish
habitat.
So
I
feel
I
feel
embarrassed
and
ashamed
and
regretful
about
this
staff
response
that
says
indigenous
communities
will
be
invited
to
participate
in
the
public
consultation
regarding
the
establishment
of
the
waterfront
park
along
the
shoreline.
AR
B
AS
AS
AS
AS
AS
Phytoremediation
has
been
growing
rapidly
in
popularity
worldwide
wide
for
the
last
20
years.
Among
the
plants
used
to
fight
or
remediate,
heavy
metals
are
dogwood
duckweed,
fescue
kale
and
morning
glory,
poplars
and
willows
abundant
and
thriving
in
grandmother
oak
park.
Remove
contaminants
from
the
soil
due
to
their
high
growth
rate
and
biomass
production,
vital
remediation
is
an
amalgam
of
the
greek
phytoplant
and
latin
remedium.
AS
Restoring
balance
balance
is
the
key
life
is
the
answer.
A
diverse,
a
diverse,
thriving
ecosystem
is
not
the
problem.
We
are
the
problem.
We
need
to
learn
to
listen.
We
need
to
let
her
teachings
sink
in
rewilding
is
the
future.
We
must
learn
to
advance,
cooperating
with
mother
nature,
doing
her
great
work.
AS
AS
AS
AS
AS
A
So
we've
had
four
rounds
of
commenting
question
from
the
public.
If
I
have
my
numbers
right
here
in
my
book
and
so
we'll
hear
the
final
response
from
staff
and
proponent
and
then
we
will
look
for
direction
from
committee
on
how
we
want
to
proceed
because
we're
approaching
our
11
o'clock
need
for
a
vote
to
extend
or
to
recess.
A
C
Thank
you
and
through
your
chair,
there
are
a
number
of
items
that
we
want
to
address
in
this
round.
That
will
involve
a
few
other
persons
on
this.
But
I
would
like
to
start
with
team
patri
and
the
consultants
from
xcg
to
discuss
the
remediation
and
a
consideration
that
was
just
before
about
leaving
the
first
50
meters
undisturbed
for
natural
purposes.
AC
Yeah,
so
I'm
on
that
point
leaving
the
first
50
meters
undisturbed.
I
don't,
I
think,
there's
already
a
substantial
buffer
along
the
along
the
waterfront,
that's
being
left
in
a
relatively
natural
state.
There's
there's
capping
involved
there,
but
it's
going
to
be
vegetated,
there's
going
to
be
trees
planted
and
in
my
view,
that
the
buffer
that's
in
place
there
is
sufficient.
AC
AC
AC
C
P
Thanks
james
through
you,
mr
chair,
natural
hazards,
concerns
specifically
flooding
and
erosion.
Flooding
and
erosion
associated
with
the
cataract
river
are,
first
and
foremost
within
the
mandate
of
the
conservation
authority
review
and,
and
we've
reviewed
those
components
through
our
assessment.
Well
I'll
back
up
by
saying
it,
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
do
not
support
the.
P
Marine
facility,
which
I
understand,
is
also
supported
by
staff.
However,
we've
looked
at
the
upland
development
portion
and
determined
through
our
assessment
that
it
will
be
protected.
It
can
be
protected
from
flooding
and
erosion
hazards
associated
with
cataract
way
river,
and
that
includes
factors
for
for
climate
change
as
well
and
that's
through
that's
through
site-specific
design,
but
also
the
nature
of
the
site
at
the
center
of
the
site
being
relatively
high
relative
to
the
to
the
shoreline,
but
then
also,
conversely,
to
to
to
schmoka's
point.
P
We've
also
assessed
impacts
to
other
sites.
So
what
impacts,
hydrologically
and
and
hydraulically
would
filling
or
capping
of
the
wetland
and
the
development
have
on
upstream
and
downstream
properties
and
through
a
detailed
assessment
by
hatch,
they
have
demonstrated
that
there
would
be
no
impact
either
through
storage
or
impacts
for
by
obstructing
plants
or
any
other
of
those
hazards.
So
if
we
feel
those
hat
those.
K
P
C
AN
AN
AN
Received
the
go-ahead
to
add
more
scattered
housing
solutions
in
our
community
and
in
addition
to
that,
we're
also
looking
at
other
solutions
such
as,
for
instance,
providing
people
with
more
portable
housing
benefits
or
rent
assistance,
kind
of
type
programs.
So
just
kind
of
want
to
remind
council
that,
yes,
you
know
we
are
looking
obviously
at
options
in
this
project,
but
given
the
timeline
and
given
kind
of
the
the
needs,
we
are
and
have
really
kind
of
increased
the
number
of
affordable
housing
or
housing
solutions
in
our
community.
C
C
So
I'm
going
to
talk
about
the
mzo
versus
municipal
approvals
for
psw,
so
the
provincially
significant
wetland
question.
There
are
policies
in
our
official
plan
that
recognize
the
boundaries
of
the
psw
within
the
schedules
of
our
official
plans.
So
specifically,
7a
in
this
scenario
are
approximate
and
through
appropriate
ground.
Truthing
and
consultation
can
be
further
refined.
C
The
areas
of
revision
that
were
just
shown
are
in
one
of
the
exhibits
of
the
report.
As
you
can
see,
phase
two,
which
is
the
yellow
building
kind
of
closest
to
the
river,
the
mapped
boundary
of
that
psw
doesn't
actually
move
on
to
that
site.
So
that's
why,
as
part
of
the
municipal
approvals
for
exhibit
a
one
of
the
schedules,
revises
the
psw
boundary
to
remove
it
from
phase
two
along
the
water,
because
it's
not
there-
that's
not
the
ground,
truth
location
of
that
psw.
C
C
71
and
72
of
the
report
as
well
as
73.,
so
these
are
the
zone
schedules
that
are
attached
to
the
implementing
zoning
bylaw,
specifically
around
the
building.
So
what
we've
done
here,
which
is
different
from
a
lot
of
our
other
approvals
in
the
city
that
maybe
people
are
more
common
and
familiar
with,
is
we're
including
a
setback
and
height
map,
so
this
map
specifically
will
outline
where
buildings
need
to
be
set
back
from
the
property
boundary,
how
high
they
can
be
at
certain
areas
and
what
the
shape
of
them
is.
C
This
is
really
an
element
of
control
of
zoning
that
is
very
strong
in
particular,
so
what
is
proposed
is
what
would
be
implemented
here.
On
the
left
hand,
side
figure
e96,
one
that
is
phase
one
there's
a
square
portion
in
the
middle
that
kind
of
has
a
bit
of
a
wave
to
it.
That's
the
only
eight
story
portion
on
phase
one
there's
an
identical
portion
on
phase
two
that
represents
that
exact
same
shape.
C
The
rest
of
the
building
is
six
stories,
except
for
the
area
where
it
steps
down
to
the
water
would
be
five
and
four
stories.
So
the
idea
that
these
are
consistently
eight-story
buildings
is
incorrect
and
there
are
portions
of
the
building
that
are
eight
stories,
but
it's
only
for
phases,
one
and
two
along
the
water.
Three
and
four
along
the
rear.
Do
not
have
that
same
characteristic.
The
vast
majority
of
these
buildings
are
six
stories
in
terms
about
the
setbacks.
C
C
If
you
look
at
the
site,
there
is
kind
of
wider
road
areas,
but
there's
also
areas
where
the
buildings
jut
in
and
those
areas
will
be
landscaped
there'll,
be
plaza,
there'll,
be
elements
in
places
where
street
trees
or
spillover
patios
can
be
located,
how
they're
located
near
the
commercial
areas
or
in
strategic
walking
areas.
So
there
is
an
opportunity
for
tree
planting
on
site,
while
it
wasn't
showing
the
landscape
strategy.
That
is
still
something
that
staff
would
be
working
through
through
the
final
detailed
plans
of
the
siteplane
control
and
site
remediation.
C
Those
documents
have
been
in
front
of
parks,
canada,
through
their
heritage
review,
as
well
as
the
heritage
consultant,
no
objections
or
concerns
were
raised
to
the
height
of
the
buildings,
the
scale
the
buildings,
the
massing
of
the
buildings
in
their
current
design
and
form
in
terms
of
landscaped
open
space
reduction.
As
you
can
see
here,
the
buildings
are
pretty
tight
to
the
site.
It
is
a
reduction
of
five
percent
to
25
percent
or
20.
C
I
believe
I
wrote
down
the
number
and
I
don't
think
I
wrote
it
down
right,
but
this
is
a
very
intentful
provision
for
these
buildings.
These
buildings
were
designed
in
a
very
main
street
oriented
style
and
format,
something
akin
to
the
six-story
buildings
that
we
would
see
through
other
parts
of
the
city
in
a
more
mainstream
street-oriented
format.
So
I
think,
downtown
princess
street.
So
it's
very
walkable.
It's
very
commercial
oriented,
pushing
the
buildings
towards
the
street,
but
creating
opportunities
for
landscaping
and
greenscaping,
and
the
landscape.
Open
space
provisions
reflect
that
landscape.
C
Open
provision.
Space
provisions
are
actually
not
inner
downtown
bylaw
for
zoning.
It's
also
not
in
the
princess
street
bylaw
for
williamsville
main
street,
which
limits
lock
coverage
to
a
maximum
of
70
but
doesn't
have
their
corresponding
landscape
open
space
provision.
So
I
think
it's
context
appropriate
for
the
site.
It
makes
sense.
C
Apologies
going
back
to
the
setback
aspect,
so
there
is
a
five
percent
variance
on
it
for
height,
skip
maps
and
schedules.
Like
these,
it's
a
provision
that
we've
built
into
a
number
of
buildings,
168
division
street,
the
north
block
proposals-
I
believe,
223
princess
street-
has
it
or
had
it.
I
can't
remember,
and
a
lot
of
the
ones
on
princess
street
as
well,
so,
where
we're
being
so
tight
with
the
zoning.
C
C
From
a
zoning
perspective,
I
believe
that's
everything
I
wanted
to
address
regarding
the
ribbon
of
life
part
along
the
water
and
then
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Miss
fossa
for
putting
that
up
the
whole
entire
site
has
to
be
remediated
and
that's
the
purpose
of
the
landscape
strategy.
Post
remediation
is
to
rehabilitate
and
reintroduce
those
natural
species
to
the
site
in
native
species
in
order
to
have
a
living,
green
shoreline.
C
A
E
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
just
wanted
to
have
an
opportunity
to
address
some
of
the
comments
that
were
brought
up
in
that
last
public
section,
with
respect
to
our
long-term
housing
needs
and
where
we
are
with
respect
to
that
inventory
and
how
this
project
would
potentially
contribute
to
the
growing
needs
that
we
have
as
a
city.
I
think
certainly
it's
been
discussed
through
multiple
people
at
this
meeting,
and
certainly
other
recent
deliberations
of
council
and
other
planning
applications
that
we
are
in
a
housing
crisis.
E
We
do
have
a
housing
supply
issue
and
we
also
have
a
housing
affordability
issue,
our
recent
vacancy
rate
that
looked
at
2021
that
we
reported
out
we're
at
1.4
percent.
That
makes
us
the
second
lowest
vacancy
rate
in
the
entire
province.
Ideally,
we
should
be
up
over
three
percent
to
be
able
to
have
a
vacancy
rate,
that's
reflective
of
something
that's
more
healthy
and
we
are
well
below
that.
We
were
up
over
3.2
percent
and
then
in
2020
and
then
dropped
down
to
1.4.
E
So
that's
an
ongoing
concern
that
we've
had
as
a
city.
We
don't
certainly
look
at
it.
From
year
to
year,
we've
had
some
some
years
where
we've
gotten
closer
to
three
percent,
but
we've
had
a
chronically
low
vacancy
rate
for
over
a
decade
as
a
city,
and
that's
really
an
indication
that
we
are
short
on
inventory
overall.
So
the
contribution
of
the
the
1600
plus
units
that
are
provided
for
as
part
of
this
application
would
make
a
significant
contribution
towards
our
overall
housing
needs.
E
That's
going
to
be
debating
our
long-term
housing
needs,
and
certainly
the
city
is
going
to
be
under
pressure,
and
certainly
we're
already
receiving
pressure
and
comments
through
development
applications
and
other
policy
work
that
we're
doing
that.
We
need
to
expand
our
urban
boundary
and
that's
solely
for
the
reason
of
opening
up
additional
residential
land
so
that
we
can
increase
our
inventory
to
meet
our
long-term
housing
needs,
but
also
to
fundamentally
address
some
of
the
affordable
affordability
challenges
that
we've
been
seeing
as
a
city.
E
Most
significantly
in
the
last
year,
or
so
with
this
sharp
increase
in
our
housing
prices
and
us
being
one
of
the
most
expensive
increased
cities
over
the
last
number
of
years
and
certainly
peaking
in
2021.
So
the
housing
crisis
is
real
in
kingston.
The
inventory
is
important,
that's
being
offered
as
part
of
this
in
particular,
and
I
think
in
terms
of
our
long,
our
long-term
needs.
It
needs
to
be
said
that
it's
not
5
000
units
that
we
need,
as
was
suggested
over
the
next
20
years.
E
We
need
actually
more
like
15
000
and
that
15
000
number
was
a
result
of
2016
census
data
which
we
know
is
not
correct
with
how
we've
been
growing
in
the
last
couple
years.
That
was
based
on
growth,
perceptions
of
one
to
two
percent
and
in
the
last
five
years
we
grew
over
seven
percent,
making
us
one
of
the
fastest
growing
cities.
So
as
we
continue
to
grow
faster
than
we
anticipated,
our
housing
challenges
just
become
more
and
more.
You
know
significant
and
difficult
for
us
to
overcome.
E
If
we're
not
looking
at
every
opportunity,
we
can
where
it
makes
sense
to
support
housing
within
our
urban
boundary.
So
some
of
those
conversations,
I
think
you
know
we're
going
to
need
to
continue
to
have,
but
I
did
want
to
provide
a
little
bit
more
of
a
long-term
housing
need
perspective
where
we
are
with
respect
to
our
current
inventory,
how
this
contributes
to
the
overall
need
that
we
have
as
a
city,
that's
continuing
to
to
increase,
and
I'm
certainly
happy
to
answer
any
questions
on
that.
If
the
committee
has
any
further
questions.
A
Thank
you
miss
agnew,
so
I
believe
that
oh,
I
see
mr
barr
appearing
again.
I'm
sorry
anything
else,
no,
nothing
further!
Okay,
so
that
was
a
bit
of
a
marathon.
Thank
you.
Everyone!
Let's
take
a
ten
minute
break
now,
just
to
get
coffee
stretch
our
legs,
etc,
etc
and
reconvene.
Well,
let's
make
it
13
minutes
at
11
p.m.
When
we
move
back
to
committee,
so
we'll
take
a
quick
viral
break
now
see
you
at
11.
A
It
is
now
11
p.m,
so
I'll
invite
folks
back
to
their
cameras
for
those
who
are
on
camera
and
greet
everyone
else,
staff
and
attendees
in
the
public
and
the
planner
staff,
and
I
want
to
recognize
that
in
our
normal
flow
we
would
move
from
public
comment
and
question
and
response
to
another
round
of
questions
from
committee.
But,
as
I
suggested
at
the
start,
I
actually
think
it's
going
to
be
more
fruitful.
A
A
D
Thank
you.
Excuse
me,
a
quick
question
for
commissioner
agnew.
If
I
could,
this
is
a
fairly
complex
and
file
clearly
and
a
lot
of
investment.
If,
if
it
gets
to
bylaw
stage,
I'm
just
curious,
how
substantial
will
we
make
it
the
requirement
for
for
a
bond
for
site
plan?
The
reason
I'm
asking
is
that
there
was
a
developed
country
development
on
princess
street,
where
we,
the
city,
ended
up
having
to
cash.
D
E
Thank
you
and
three,
mr
chair,
so
because
this
will
likely
move
forward
in
four
phases,
there
will
likely
be
four
different
types
of
bonds
that
are
taken
with
each
subsequent
phase
in
terms
of
the
site
plan
process.
There
is
a
calculation
that's
done
based
on
you,
know
on-site
and
off-site
works
in
the
city,
taking
a
portion
of
that
up
to
a
cap,
in
this
case,
based
on
the
previous
decision
of
council,
to
waive
the
tree
compensation
as
part
of
that
2019
report.
E
So
I
can't
say
in
a
dollar
amount
it
will
not
be
insignificant,
but
because
it's
being
done
phase
by
phase
it
will
be
a
reflection
of
of
whatever
proportion
of
of
the
off-site
works
and
those
estimates
that
come
in
as
part
of
each
phase,
so
it
overall
it
will.
It
will
be
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars.
I
over
the
life
of
the
project,
but
I
couldn't
tell
you
with
like
a
level
of
accuracy.
The
exact
amount.
D
D
D
E
Perhaps
I
can
speak
to
more
of
the
the
project
side
of
things
and
then,
if
elizabeth
has
any
additional
comments
on
on
the
clerk's
side,
certainly
she'd
be
welcome
to
offer
those.
I
think
the
challenge
is
counselor.
Neil
is
that
the
actual
building
development
associated
with
phase
four
may
be
the
last
of
the
of
the
four
sections
to
be
constructed.
E
However,
the
work
done
associated
with
the
remediation
because
phase
four
contains
portions
of
that
psw,
the
the
decision
about
the
m0.
If
it
were
delayed
it
would,
it
would
impact
the
ability
to
remediate
the
entire
site
as
a
whole,
since
it
would
be
done
as
one
process
as
opposed
to
the
remediation
isn't
going
to
be
in
stage
phases,
it
would
be
all
done
at
once
and
then
the
actual
construction
process
would
be
in
in
phases.
So
that's
that's
the
fundamental
challenge
that
exists
there
with
what
you're
suggesting.
D
O
O
E
E
That's
required
to
be
able
to
support
the
zoning
and
official
plan
amendment
in
principle
and
then
what
follows
is
more
of
the
detailed
design
phase
of
the
project.
So
that's
where
you're
you're
getting
from
a
draft
plan,
a
subdivision
into
final
plan,
which
you
get
into
the
really
specific
details
and
that's
true
for
any
project.
That's
not
unique
for
this
project
or
you
go
from
zoning
to
site
plan,
so
in
this
case,
they're
a
site
plan
and
there's
a
draft
plan,
a
subdivision
and
they're,
both
detailed
design
processes
and
that's
typical
in
the
planning
process.
E
So
we
definitely
have
associated
with
the
zoning
a
holding
symbol
that
has
a
number
of
conditions
that
would
have
to
be
cleared
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
municipality
prior
to
anything
happening
on
the
site
and
we'll
also
have
the
draft
conditions
that
have
to
be
satisfied
through
a
formal
process
that
all
has
to
be
documented
and
signed
off
on
with
all
the
various
agencies
and
the
same
thing
for
site
plan.
So
there's
a
lot
of
process
to
follow
anything
coming
out
of
the
zoning,
an
official
plan.
E
This
represents
one
milestone
in
the
development
process,
from
a
planning
perspective
and
typically
going
from
draft
plan
to
final
plan
like
you're
talking
about
multiple
years.
It's
it's
not
something
that
happens
overnight
because
of
the
extent
of
the
rigor
of
the
detailed
design,
and
that
includes
that
record
of
site
condition,
process
that
we've
spoken
to
in
the
involvement
of
the
moecp
and
crca
and
transport,
canada
and
parks.
Canada,
as
well
involved
in
all
of
those
processes.
E
They're
also
subject
to
public
meetings
and
reports
to
council,
where
council
would
have
the
final
authority
over
some
of
those
elements
as
well.
Whether
it's
through
the
age
removal
will
involve
a
detailed
list
of
what
the
conditions
are,
how
they've
been
met.
That
goes
to
council
for
approval.
What
we've
suggested
as
part
of
the
holding
symbol
is
to
add
an
additional
level
of
public
scrutiny
to
the
process
by
making
sure
that
we're
giving
notice
associated
with
h
removal.
E
So
the
members
of
the
public
will
be
aware,
when
council's
even
debating
that
normally
it's
a
it's
a
process
that
we
don't
give
notice,
because
the
planning
act
doesn't
require,
but
in
this
case
we're
trying
to
provide
enhanced
opportunity
for
public
scrutiny
into
the
processes.
That
would
follow
the
official
plan
in
the.
O
Zoning
thanks,
I
mean
you
know
it's
it's
it's
interesting.
What
I've
heard
tonight
and
I
and
I'm
I'm
disappointed
to
some
degree
at
the
level
of
discourse,
because
you
know
experts
are
not
experts
only
when
they
agree.
With
your
point
of
view,
you
know
and
and
we've
heard
from
a
lot
of
experts
both
on
our
staff
and
from
the
from
the
proponent,
and
I
did
hear
some
pretty
disparaging
comments
or
insinuations.
O
So,
first
of
all,
we
lose
1700
units
and
this
is
a
community
that
desperately
needs
new
housing,
and
you
know
there's
some
things
that
we
can
do
about
affordable
housing
and
there's
some
things
that
we
can't.
But
one
thing
that
we
can
do
that
will
contribute
at
some
at
some
point
is
to
increase
the
housing
stock.
O
So
we
have
to
do
that.
One
of
the
things
we
would
lose
if
we
turn
this
down
is
is
something
we
talked
about
a
while
ago
and
that's
the
the
notion
of
a
15-minute
neighborhood
so
that
people
live
and
work
and
play
using
active
transportation
within
15
minutes
of
the
place
that
they
live.
You
know,
I
think,
that's
a
that's
a
great
step
in
the
right
direction
in
terms
of
addressing
some
of
our
climate
issues
in
the
long
term.
O
O
We
are,
we
would
lose
the
opportunity
to
clean
up
one
of
the
most
contaminated
sites
in
ontario,
which
I
mean
this
does
not
come.
I've
been
I've
lived
in
kingston
for
a
long
time.
You
know
this
is
the
first
serious
proposal
that
I've
seen
that
would
allow
for
that
contamination
to
be
cleaned
up,
and
I
think
we
have
to
really
take
a
long
hard
look
at
at
turning
something
like
this
down,
because
it's
not
coming
back
again
anytime
soon.
O
In
my
estimation,
we
we
are
losing
the
potential
for
residents
to
access
this
piece
of
waterfront
because
they
can't
now
I
mean
I
I
in
a
lot
of
the
commentary,
I
heard
it
sounded
as
if
people
could
go
and
enjoy
this
piece
of
property,
but
they
can't
because
it's
contaminated,
it's
it's
fenced
off.
It's
not
accessible
to
to
residents
of
kingston.
This
plan
provides
this
waterfront
to
be
accessible,
and
I
think
that
that's
an
important
consideration
for
all
the
people
who
live
in
this
part
of
the
community.
O
It
gives
us
the
potential
to
to
to
resurrect
an
important
commercial
zone
that
has
really
fallen
away
over
the
years,
even
things
like
the
old
outer
montreal
train
station.
You
know
like,
if
there's
some
potential,
that
that
can
be
redeveloped
as
a
commercial
development
or
as
a
residential
development,
but
it
also
is
going
to
spur
more
res,
more
development
in
that
neighborhood
in
general,
so
and
ultimately,
there's
jobs,
tons
of
jobs
that
are
going
to
be
associated
with
this
and
significant
tax
revenue
down
the
road.
O
O
L
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
so
I
just
want
everyone
to
know
that
we
have
spent
hours
and
hours
on
this
tannery
land
file
over
the
last
many
years
like
hours
like
just
look
at
the
time
for
tonight.
This
is
the
third
public
meeting
we've
had
motions
at
council
about
the
tannery
lands
leading
up
to
this
we've
had
hours,
answering
emails,
sending
questions
to
staff
meeting
with
staff,
hours
and
hours
and
hours,
and
I
don't
take
this
file
lightly
at
all.
It's
one
of
the
like
it's
one
of
the
files.
L
I've
spent
the
most
time
on
during
council
at
all
right,
but
there's
there's
problems
with
it
and
while
I
sympathize
with
our
housing
crisis,
this
is
just
to
me
the
trade-off
of
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
the
destruction
of
the
wildlife
and
whatnot
we're
going
to
be
doing.
It
does
not
warrant
it.
The
affordable
housing
units,
you
know
we're
having
100
units,
but
this
development
is
going
to
be
over
12
years.
That's
like
adding
eight
units
a
year
on
to
the
housing.
L
Affordable
housing
like
we
should
be
really
doing
like
a
quarter
of
of
all
those
units
should
be
affordable.
Housing
to
try
to
make
a
difference,
we're
taking
down
a
forest
like
we've
had
so
much
mention,
and
the
reports
of
invasive
species
that
are
all
in
there.
You
can't
find
a
forest
in
southern
ontario
anymore,
without
the
garlic
mustard
and
the
buckthorn
and
dog
strangling
vine
right,
there's
invasive
species
all
over.
Does
that
mean
that
all
the
woodlands
have
to
go
right,
we're
in
a
biodiversity
crisis
which
was
mentioned
so
many
times
tonight?
L
Anyone
on
this
meeting
who's
an
avid
gardener
who
lives
or
who
lives
out
in
the
country
right.
How
many
monarch
butterflies?
Have
you
seen
this
year?
How
many
bees
have
you
seen?
We've
all
seen
a
huge
decline
in
that
and
taking
away
a
forest
like
this
is,
is
like
it's
just
a
huge
loss
for
biodiversity.
L
When
we
can't
afford
to
lose
that
biodiversity,
I
would
rather
see
taller
buildings
like
councillor
hutchinson,
and
I
met
many
times
with
staff
asking.
If
we
could
please
persuade
the
applicant
to
go
higher
to
go
higher
so
that
we
could
save
some
of
the
stands
of
trees.
We
heard
that's
not
possible.
Everything
has
to
be
stripped
of
vegetation.
L
It's
got
to
be
wood
construction
if
it
goes
to
concrete
to
make
it
higher,
they
would
have
to
put
a
deeper
cap
because
of
the
extra
weight
like
counselor
hutchinson,
and
I
we
tried,
we
tried
to
come
to
some
compromise.
There
is
no
compromise.
It's
like
the
concept
plan
essentially
really
has
stayed
the
same
and
all
like
they
said
this
has
been
like
going
on
for
five
years.
The
concept
plan
has
essentially
stayed
the
same.
L
Minor
minor
changes
right
still,
four
phases,
still
four
big
buildings
still
paving
over
the
wetland,
still
not
saving
the
oak,
still
the
same
height,
you
know
of
wood
construction,
not
going
higher.
You
know
just
think
of.
Like
the
awesome
view
all
the
floors
could
have
if
we
had
gone
higher,
which
would
have
been
and
made
us
hopefully
be
able
to
save
some
of
the
stanza
trees,
but
with
remediation
that
won't
happen
like
it
was
just.
L
There
was
no
way
working
on
it
and
there's
no
way
that
I
can
support
an
mzo
to
pave
over
the
wetlands.
That's
the
biggest
thing
really
dangerous
precedent.
Setting
we
heard
from
residents
tonight
right
opening
up
the
floodgates,
not
just
for
for
kingston
right,
but
for
all
of
ontario
like.
Why
do
you
think
mnrf
is
saying
that
they
do
not
support
paving
over
the
wetlands
right?
It's
just
opening
up
the
floodgates.
All
the
other
developers
in
ontario
will
will
be
watching
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
with
this.
A
A
S
S
So
my
question
of
the
developer
is,
I
was
struck
by
the
statement
about
their
being
only
be
able
to
do
six
stories
of
wooden
construction,
because
I
was
going
to
bring
a
motion
asking
the
province
to
go
to
12
stories
and
I
was
told
by
staff.
I
presume
this
is
correct,
that,
as
of
july,
1st
12
stories
is
permissible
in
ontario
a
bit
confused
about
this
and
I'd.
Like
an
answer
to
my
question,.
E
Sure
I'm
happy
to
to
respond
to
some
of
it.
I
think
mr
patrick's
team
is
still
on
on
the
the
call
you
are
correct
about
the
permissions
related
to
wood
frame
construction
in
ontario,
changing
as
of
july
1st
for
the
12
story
there.
The
one
thing,
I
would
say
is
not
all
wood
frame.
Construction
is
the
same,
so
there's
wood
frame
construction
associated
with
six
stories.
E
If
you
want
to
go
to
12
stories,
then
you're
dealing
with
like
a
a
laminated
like
timber
mass
timber
product
which
is
different
and
it's
it's
newer
in
our
market
and
it's
not
at
the
same
price
point.
I
know,
mr
patrick
is
certainly
a
lot
better
on
numbers
than
I
am,
but
there
is
a
fundamental
difference
between
regular
six-story
construction
in
wood,
which
we've
seen
in
a
number
of
buildings
versus
what
is
required
to
go
to
12
stories.
E
It's
a
different
type
of
wood
product
because
it
has
to
be
a
lot
stronger
and
I'm
I'm
told
I
understand,
there's
a
very
significant
price
difference
at
this
point,
because
it
is
a
newer
thing
coming
to
our
province
and
and
the
industry
hasn't
gone
to
a
place
where,
based
on
volume
that
the
prices
have
come
down.
So
on
the
pricing
side,
I
can
speak
to
that.
E
What
was
previously
on
the
property
and
through
our
discussions
in
particular
with
parks,
canada,
where
there
was
non-support
from
that
organization
relative
to
the
unesco
world
heritage
site
and
looking
at
this
from
from
a
quarter
perspective
of
having
additional
height
beyond
the
property.
So
it
wasn't
just
a
matter
of
being
able
to.
You
know
do
15,
20
stories
elsewhere
to
avoid
the
part
four
property
which
I
know
some.
Some
suggestions
have
come
forward.
E
We
weren't
able
to
do
that
from
an
overall
compatibility
perspective
without
undermining
that
unesco
world
heritage
site
and
the
comments
in
particular
that
were
provided
to
us
through
the
planning
process
with
parks,
canada.
So,
mr
patrice
group,
I
don't
know
if
you
have
any
other
comments
to
make
on
the
wood
frame
as
it
was
directed
to
you.
But
those
are
my
initial
comments
to
offer.
Counselor.
R
Yeah
I'll
make
a
couple
quick
comments
with
regards
to
mass
timber.
Mass
timber
has
been
used
past
12
stories.
In
some
instances.
Most
of
that
has
been
a
demonstration
like
ubc
did,
in
conjunction
with
a
couple
of
other
provincial
organizations,
to
showcase
that
a
massive
timber
building
costs
substantially
more
than
a
concrete
building
and
the
only
people
that
are
doing
it
right
now
are
somebody
like
ubc
or
a
province.
That's
trying
to
to
show
that
12
stories
is
capable,
so
six
stories
makes
a
bunch
of
sense.
We've
looked
at
this.
R
S
Sorry
I
turned
my
mic
off
so
because
there
was
interference.
I
was
trying
to
cut
down
on
that.
So
yes,
we're
talking
about
12
stories,
but
earlier
on,
counselor
chappelle
was
talking
about
possibilities
of
not
being
on
phase
four,
and
so
the
question
really
is
that's
the
legal
limit
for
I'll.
Take
your
word
for
the
mass
timber,
but
we're
already
talking
about
eight
stories
here.
S
R
Yes,
it's
it's
mass
timber
required
building
past
stories,
so
the
same
thing
will
apply.
If
you
look
at
our
site
plan,
you
do
see
that
we
have
a
couple
of
sessions
for
eight
stories
and
that's
because
we
have
a
concrete
structure
in
the
middle
and
that
can
go
on
top
of
it
and
that
that
makes
a
bunch
of
sense
but
yeah.
All
of
those
things
apply
for
for
six
stories
and
above
as
well
as
a
number
of
other
things
that
get
put
into
it.
R
S
S
S
It's
even
admitted
to
me
by
not
admitted
but
acknowledged
by
hydrogeologists.
We
had
a
problem
here
that
we
we
had
a
conceptual
remediation
plan
and
to
really
tell
what
was
going
on.
We
needed
a
an
actual,
detailed
remediation
plan
which
could
be
evaluated
so
that's
been
partly,
and
I
want
to
say
that
this
is
this
particular
version
of
the.
K
S
The
of
the
well,
it's
only
one
comprehensive
report,
but
other
reports
going
forward
from
staff
is
a
marked
improvement
and
they've
done
some
things
in
response
to
counselors
and
the
circumstances
so
tip
of
the
hat.
For
that
the
the
problem
is
that
the
remediation
plan
does
stand
out
still
is
a
bit
of
a
problem.
S
S
S
A
A
Indeed,
a
lot
in
the
report
at
high
level
are
some
of
the
concerns
that
we've
heard
tonight
more
to
do
with
what
would
happen
at
the
record
of
sight
condition
and
not
zoning,
in
other
words,
of
the
very
valid
points
that
have
been
raised.
Is
this
the
wrong
avenue
or
the
wrong
moment?
I
guess
I
should
say
to
deal
with
some
of
them
is
that
morse
are
some
of
these
concerns
more
suited
for
the
record
of
site
condition.
E
I
think
if
I
could
start
mr
chair
and
mr
barmy
have
something
to
add,
and
it
builds
on
what
counselor
hutchison
was
just
saying,
their
concern,
being
we
don't
have
a
detailed
remediation
plan
at
this
stage.
What
we
have
is
conceptual
again
going
back
to
the
comments
that
I
made
earlier
in
the
meeting
about
the
level
of
detail.
That's
required
at
the
op
and
zoning
stage
is
more
conceptual
in
nature.
It's
the
same
thing
for
servicing
for
traffic,
for
at
this
case,
we're
at
an
environmental
site
assessment
phase.
E
Two
that's
been
done,
which
is
actually
quite
detailed,
but
you're,
not
all
the
way
there.
Taking
that
information
to
make
the
remediation
plan
when
we
do
any
type
of
site
remediation
and
there's
lots
of
projects
that
have
been
done
in
kingston
over
time
brownfield
projects,
because
we
have
a
number
of
legacy
issues
and
that's
why
we
have
a
brownfield
program.
E
The
record
of
site
condition
is
always
one
of
those
conditions.
It's
recommended
the
same
way
in
this
case,
and
that's
where
that
level
of
detailed
understanding
that
people
are
looking
for
that
gets
completed
as
part
of
that
process,
which
has
to
be
approved
by
the
ministry
of
environment
and
once
we
have
all
that
approval,
it
gets
packaged
and
then
sent
to
our
council
to
say
yes,
as
a
council,
we
are
satisfied.
E
So
what
we're
doing
in
this
case
is
not
atypical.
It
is
typical
for
what
we
do.
The
only
atypical
part
here
would
be
the
extent
of
the
remediation
that's
required,
based
on
the
extent
of
contamination
and
the
fact
that
we're
dealing
with
a
provincially,
significant
wetland
which
isn't
you
know,
hasn't
been
a
big
part
of
our
process
before
with
respect
to
brownfields.
A
Fair
enough
and
you've
actually
anticipated
a
follow-up
that
I
had
related
to
the
record
of
site
condition
which
is
in
dealing
with
the
other
agencies.
So
we've
heard
a
lot
about
the
ministry
of
conservation,
well,
environment
conservation
and
parks,
but
as
I've
asked
earlier,
where
does
transport
canada
fit
into
that?
So,
for
example,
if
they
they
being
transport,
canada
doesn't
clean
up
their
part
of
the
water
parcel
and
mecp
takes
issue
with
that.
Does
that
impact
this
development
again
just
trying
to
understand
how
all
of
this
bigger
picture
fits
together.
A
Sorry
I'll
try
to
clarify,
essentially
if
it
is
ever
deemed
that
the
water
contaminates
the
land
that
we've
heard
very
clearly
tonight
from
our
experts
that
it
actually
goes.
The
other
way
would
that
influence
the
the
the
ruling
for
lack
of
better
term
of
the
ministry
on
the
site.
Condition
of
this
plan.
M
Yeah,
I
certainly
can
chime
on
that.
Mr
vice
chair.
Through
you,
they
are
two
separate
projects,
although
they're
connected
because
they're
dealing
with
similar
issues
and
proximity
to
one
another,
the
wrecker
side
condition
would
certainly
back
up
the
ministry,
the
environment,
conservation
and
parks
when
they
examine
the
site
characterizations
and
the
remediation
plans
on
their
way
to
approving
a
record
of
site
condition,
is
going
to
have
to
satisfy
themselves
that
the
property
that
is
the
tannery
is
not
contributing
an
ongoing
source
of
contamination
to
adjacent
properties.
M
Those
adjacent
properties
are
going
to
include
inner
harbor.
So
that's
to
my
knowledge,
that's
the
level
of
integration
that
the
regular
psych
condition
process
will
will
take
they're
not
going
to
specifically
reach
out
to
transport,
canada
or
parks,
canada
to
make
them
part
of
the
process.
As
I
understand
it,.
M
I'm
saying
that
the
the
only
way
to
get
a
record
site
conditions,
the
ministry
of
environment
and
conservation
of
parks
is
going
to
be
satisfied
with
is
one
the
site
itself
does
not
pose
a
risk
to
people
that
use
the
site
or
the
ecology.
That's
on
the
site
and
two.
It
does
not
pose
an
ongoing
risk
to
adjacent
properties
and
receptors.
A
Right,
okay,
I
think
that's
honestly
what
I
thought
we
had
read
in
the
report
and
what
I
had
heard
in
the
past
and
that's
just
100
percent
clear
for
me
now.
Thank
you.
So
I
also
wanted
to
ask
a
bit
more
about
the
crca
and
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
for
our
planning
staff
or
for
mr
dakin,
but
we
heard
him
say
in
unequivocal
terms
that,
through
the
work
that
has
already
been
done
to
this
point,
they
are
confident
the
organization
crca
is
confident
that
there
is
not
a
flooding
or
erosion
risk.
P
A
Oh
absolutely,
okay.
That
again
gives
me
reassurance,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
responsible
on
the
parcel
in
question,
but
also
for
those
around
as
many
people
have
brought
up
and
you
as
our
expert
are
saying
that,
based
on
what
we
have
before
us,
if
it's
passed,
we
won't
see
the
erosion
or
the
flooding,
and
I
hope
that
committee
takes
our
expert
advice
and
then
finally,
I'm
gonna
go
back
to
the
mzo
and
I'm
not
trying
to
beat
a
dead
horse.
A
A
A
statement
talking
about
the
need
to
I'm
just
going
to
quote
this
directly
because
I
think
it's
quite
profound
need
to
ensure
that
nzos
go
through
a
process
that
ensures
the
city
and
its
residents
are
consulted
and
that
outcomes
are
mutually
agreed
upon
by
both
the
city
and
the
province.
That's
from
kristen,
wong
ham
and
joe
cressy,
and
maybe
people
don't
respect
their
voices.
I
definitely
do
but
miss
agnew.
A
What
you've
described
to
me
at
least
seems
exactly
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
with
this
tool,
a
tool
that
again,
admittedly,
has
been
used
in
nefarious
ways
in
the
past
and
maybe
would
in
the
future,
but
here
for
this
site,
we're
hearing
that
you
are
consulting
with
the
province
by
doing
the
leg,
work
ahead
of
time
and
then
proposing
it
to
the
minister.
Is
that
fair.
E
I
would
I
would
characterize
that
the
statement
that
you
made
or
the
ideal
nature
of
how
those
politicians
talked
about
how
an
m0
should
work
is
exactly
how
we
have.
We
have
tried
to
go
through
the
process
with
respect
to
this
particular
project
and
doing
the
fulsomeness
of
the
technical
review
and
the
public
process
having
that
informed
directly.
E
The
scoping
of
what
we're
proposing
council
consider
as
an
mzo
and
having
that
be
as
tight
geographically
as
possible,
but
also
informed
by
a
detailed
set
of
parameters
that
we've
attached
to
a
public
report
which
would
then
be
sent
to
the
minister's
office
so
that
there
would
be
the
maximum
amount
of
public
transparency
into
understanding
the
scope
and
the
nature
of
the
mzo.
Why
it's
required
and
then
a
commitment
that
the
municipality
continue
to
work
with
the
ministry,
in
particular
on
those
details,
so
that
what
comes
back
to
us
should
not
and
it
it.
E
I
don't
believe
it
would
be
a
surprise
based
on
our
previous
work
with
them
on
the
mzo
associated
with
the
employment
lands.
We
weren't
surprised.
What
we
got
back
was
was
exactly
what
we
put
forward
with
some
modification
just
in
terminology
and
a
little
bit
of
formatting,
but
the
substantive
content
of
it
was
exactly
what
the
municipality
asked
for.
E
So,
while
I
can't
comment
on
on
exactly
what
a
minister
is
or
isn't
going
to
do,
I
can
just
comment
on
what
our
what
our
process
has
been
on
a
previous
m-zetto
and
what
our
thinking
and
our
approach
has
been.
With
respect
to
the
formulation
of
this
part
of
the
recommendation
for
council's
consideration.
A
A
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
step
back
in
time
when
we
were
speaking
about
the
mzo
for
clogged
road
that
was
the
first
mzo
that
came
forward
to
the
city
of
kingston,
and
at
that
time
I
explicitly
stated
that
this
was
the
trojan
horse
that
would
come
forward
and
be
presented
as
some
type
of
solution
to
the
tannery
lands.
At
that
time,
miss
agnew
said
no
that
wasn't
contemplated
and
and
subsequently
at
a
follow-up
meeting
here
we
are
now.
Q
I
also
asked
the
proponent,
mr
patry,
at
one
of
the
meetings
I
believe
it
was
september
21st.
If
not,
it
was
maybe
at
the
march
meeting
one
of
the
march
meetings.
If
he
had
interest
in
seeking
an
mzo
at
that
time-
and
he
said
no-
it
wasn't
in
his
purview
it
wasn't,
he
wouldn't
be
asking
for
it.
So
then
we
hear
you
know
the
public
has
an
opportunity
to
be
presented
with
this
mzo
on
thursday
of
last
week.
So
I
cautioned
approximately
you
know
seven
eight
months
ago
that
this
could
possibly
happen.
Q
I
cautioned
concern,
and
yet
it
was
not
presented
as
a
possibility
to
this
council
or
the
public
until
thursday.
So
I
don't
agree
that
we've
had
consultation
on
this
specific
issue.
I
believe
there
are
significant
problems
in
having
the
mzno
applied
to
a
a
provincially,
significant
wetland
and
with
due
respect,
I
I
disagree
with
the
environmental
consultant
that
it's
it's
it's
it's
a
wasted,
a
swamp
land.
I
don't
I
I'm
paraphrasing
the
words,
but
that
I
disagree
wholeheartedly,
because
that's
the
same
researcher
who
said
there
were
no
turtles
in
collins
bay
creek.
Q
My
concern
is
that
this
will
be
a
precedent
set
across
the
province
as
lisa
our
councillor,
osanic
has
eloquently
stated,
and
many
of
the
residents
have
stated.
We
have
to
be
creative
on
how
we
address
this
parcel
of
land.
I'm
not
opposed
to
having
some
development,
but
when
we
keep
getting
bulldozed
with
the
same
effective
footprint,
with
no
reprieve
to
the
concerns
of
raised
by
residents
like
having
a
naturalized
barrier
of
the
shoreline,
no
we're
going
to
clear,
cut
it
and
then
replant.
Q
A
S
S
It's
I
understand
why
staff
did
it,
I'm
not
talking
about
staff
here,
I'm
talking
about
the
general
concept
of
how
mzos
work
and
how
they've
been
working
in
the
province.
Remember
what
what
was
happening
in
toronto,
with
those
two
councillors,
as
they
were,
having
planning
bombs,
just
dropped
on
and,
of
course,
that
affected
their
view.
S
So
I
think
that
it
opens
the
door
to
unnecessary
arbitrary
decision
making
and
you
can
talk
in
the
way.
Mzo's
work
and
I'll
remind
you
again.
You
can
talk
until
you're
blue
in
the
face
that
doesn't
mean
the
minister's
gonna.
Do
it
or
is
gonna,
do
something
satisfactory
to
you
or
is
not
going
to
side
much
much
more
with
one
side
than
the
other,
and
that's
the
problem
seems
to
me
that
if
you
need
an
mzo,
you
know
perhaps
you're
doing
the
wrong
thing
more
to
the
point.
S
As
I
said
as
I
in
talking
with
ms
agnew
earlier
like
in
this
meeting,
you
can
do
it
another
way
which
doesn't
involve
an
m0
and
also
because
it's
there,
we
need
to
do
those
things
if
we
decide
that
needs
to
be
done
there.
It's
a
question
of
of
compromise
and
negotiation,
which
is
not
a
as
councillor
chappelle,
pointed
out,
hasn't
exactly
been
forthcoming
from
this
developer,
so,
to
put
it
mildly,
councillor
jose
and
I,
in
all
good
faith,
tried
to
find
out
and
put
the
same
emotions
back
and
forth
between
us
and
staff.
S
Numerous
well,
I
won't
say
numerous
times,
but
three
times
I
wrote
versions
on
versions
and
part
of
that
problem
is,
I
think
it's
important
to
understand
is
that
we
wanted
the
hydrological
report
to
come
to
council
planning
and
council.
The
staff
insists
to
come
back
to
staff
and
that's
not
the
same
thing.
S
So
just
this
whole
process
as
far
as
that's
concerned
concerned
has
been
unsatisfactory,
and
so
I
won't
vote
for
it.
So
I
think
I
want
to
make
a
motion
and
that
motion
would
be
that
clause
6,
which
is
the
mzo
clause.
I
believe
somebody
better
jump
up
and
correct
me.
The
deleted
from
the
recommendation.
S
B
S
A
S
E
Yeah,
thank
you
and
through
you
phase
four
is
the
most
contaminated
part
of
the
land
and
phase
four
with
the
mzo.
If,
if
council,
once
this
moves
up
to
council,
if,
if
that's
removed
all
together
and
there's
no
phase,
four
consideration
with
the
m0,
the
way
this
is
laid
out
is
will
prevent
the
property
from
being
remediated,
because
the
mzo
is
an
important
part
of
overcoming
that
pps
policy
with
respect
to