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From YouTube: Kingston, Ontario - Planning Committee - February 4 2021
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A
A
So
I'll
just
read
the
notice
of
collection
first
and
then
we're
good
to
go
personal
information
collected
as
a
result
of
this
public
hearing
and
process
is
collected
under
the
authority
of
the
planning
act
and
will
be
used
to
assist
in
making
a
decision
on
this
matter.
All
names
addresses
opinions
and
comments
may
be
collected
and
maybe
part
of
the
minutes
which
will
be
available
to
the
public
questions
regarding
this
collection
should
be
forwarded
to
the
director
of
planning
services.
A
A
A
Regarding
a
particular
application,
no
decisions
are
made
at
public
meetings
concerning
applications.
Unless
otherwise
noted
the
public
meeting
is
held
to
gather
public
opinion.
No
decisions
are
made
at
public
meetings
concerning
applications
unless
otherwise
noted.
Sorry,
I'm
repeating
myself
an
exception
to
this
rule
is
combined
reports
which
consolidates
the
public
meeting
and
comprehensive
reports.
A
A
A
When
this
review
is
completed,
a
report
will
be
prepared
making
a
recommendation
for
action
to
this
committee.
The
recommendation
is
typically
to
approve
with
conditions
or
to
deny.
This
committee
then
makes
a
recommendation
on
the
applications
to
city
count.
Council
city
council
has
the
final
say
on
the
applications.
A
From
the
city's
perspective
following
council
decision
notice
will
be
circulated
in
accordance
with
planning
act
if
a
person
or
public
body
would
otherwise
have
an
ability
to
appeal.
The
decision
of
the
council
of
the
corporation
of
the
city
of
kingston
to
the
local
planning
appeal
tribunal,
but
that
person
or
public
body
does
not
make
oral
submissions
at
a
public
planning
at
a
meeting
or
make
written
submissions
to
the
city
of
kingston
before
the
bylaw
is
passed.
That
person
or
public
body
is
not
entitled
to
appeal.
A
A
B
B
Know
that
this
the
corner,
the
intersection
of
glen
burnie
road,
is
also
called
shannon's
corners
and
the
land.
That's
in
question
is
land
that
was
has
been
owned
by
the
the
shannon
family
for
over
200
years,
and
mark
rickard
is
is
from
that
family.
So
this
is
a
project
that
has
a
extreme
importance
to
him
in
terms
of
the
legacy
for
his
family
in
this
area.
B
B
This
is
zooming
in
a
little
bit
closer
and
if
you're
familiar
with
the
area,
you'll
know
that
1547
unity,
road
used
to
be
a
small
school
and
and
it's
been
vacant
for
a
while.
Now
24
29
perth
road
was
a
long-standing
automotive
service
shop
and
remains
that
type
of
use.
Although
the
current
tenant
sells
trailers
at
this
point
and
then
there's
a
large
single
detached
home
at
2413
perth
road-
and
this
also
shows
you
the
the
current
lot
fabric.
B
So
there
are
three
lots
in
question:
there's
the
unity,
road
property,
the
large
perth
road
property
and
then
the
smaller
house
property.
So
it's
the
three
properties
combined
that
make
up
the
site.
That's
in
question
this
evening,
and
you
can
see
from
my
slide
on
the
comment
there
about
the
adjacent
land
use
is
that
the
the
uses
that
exist
are
are
common
hamlet,
uses,
a
mix
of
residential
commercial,
open
space,
and
even
some
industrial
uses.
Glenn
bernie
really
is
a
fairly
comprehensive
hamlet
as
far
as
the
city
of
kingston
goes
next
slide.
Please.
B
So
this
application
is
entirely
focused
within
the
hamlet
designated
lands
and
the
hamlet
designated
lands
are
are
in
many
ways
like
the
the
urban
boundary
of
the
city.
It's
an
area
that
we
want
to
focus
growth
and
it's
an
area
that
we
want
to
focus
a
mixed
use
as
well,
so
that
we
can
ensure
that
we
provide
complete,
complete
communities
next
slide.
Please.
B
B
The
garage
is
zoned,
rural
or
rather
residential,
and
then
a
spot
of
land
which
is
arguably
being
used
by
the
garage
at
this
time
is
zone
c2.
So
we
have
quite
a
mix
of
zoning
in
this
area
and
quite
a
mix
of
zoning
on
the
existing
property.
That's
before
the
committee
this
evening
next
slide,
please.
B
This
is
a
concept
plan
for
the
proposed
development
and
the
the
application
is:
is
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
to
apply
a
single
zone
to
the
entire
site,
and
what
you
can
see
on
this
slide
is
is
a
series
of
new
buildings,
while
the
garage
would
stay,
and
the
thinking
here
is
to
provide
a
mixed-use
development
that
will
be
both
commercial
and
residential
in
nature,
and
I'm
going
to
show
you
some
of
the
buildings
and
get
into
details
in
a
moment.
Next
slide
please.
B
So
this
picture
is
showing
the
building
that
is
proposed
for
perth
road,
and
this
building
would
be
approximately
where
the
existing
house
is
on
perth
road.
This
is
a
two-story
structure
with
the
rot,
walk
around
porch
and
it
would
provide
ground
floor
commercial
units,
and
it
would
also
provide
some
commercial
space
on
the
second
floor.
But
what's
interesting
about
this
building
is
that
we
would
also
like
to
introduce
four
apartment
dwellings
to
this
to
this
building
as
well.
B
B
This
is
just
giving
you
a
sample
of
the
spaces
showing
that
the
ground
floor,
commercial
units
are
each
about
2500
square
feet
in
size,
and
you
can
also
see
that
on
the
second
floor
there,
the
the
apartment
units
are
actually
focused
on
one
side
of
the
building
and
they
are
they're
providing
two
one-bedroom
units
and
two
two-bedroom
units,
and
then
there
would
be
some
additional
smaller
commercial
space.
On
the
second
floor
of
this
building
next
slide,
please.
B
So
this
is
showing
the
unity
road
property
now
and
the
top
picture
is
showing
the
old
school
with
the
proposed
edition,
and
the
hope
here
by
my
client
is
that
they'd
really
like
to
attract
a
medical
type
tenant
to
this
building,
and
so
they
want
to
spruce
up
the
building.
You
can
also
see
the
maintenance
of
this
agricultural
look
with
the
walk-around
porches
and
some
changes
to
the
building
to
make
it
look
more
like
their
their
current
grocery
store
as
well.
B
The
second
picture
is
showing
the
health
club
and
the
self
storage
facilities,
and
you
can
see
how
the
building
the
the
health
club
or
the
gym
you
know
like
the
the
workout
space,
is
meant
to
look
like
an
agricultural
building
and
and
as
much
as
I
appreciate
some
folks
might
want
to
talk
about
self
storage.
What
we
did
in
doing
this
design
was,
we
created
two
tiers
of
commercial
development
and
what
we
found
was
we
had
a
lot
of
land
left
over
and
we
have
desire
for
self
storage.
B
B
B
You
know
yoga
room
whatever
might
be
desired
by
it
by
a
future
tenant,
and
you
can
see
how
the
self
storage
would
be
tucked
behind
that
building
next
slide,
please
so
in
terms
of
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment,
that's
before
this
committee
tonight
we
are
proposing
a
site-specific
c2
zone
and
the
main
purpose
is
to
establish
a
unified
zone
for
the
entire
site
and
is
to
introduce
the
residential
units
so
rather
than
a
single
unit.
Would
introduce
the
fact
that
we'd
like
to
do
four
units
on
the
property?
B
This
is
just
highlighting
some
of
the
other
amendments
of
the
bylaws,
such
as
interior
side
yard
and
maximum
height.
The
maximum
height
in
the
c2
zone
is
10.7
meters.
All
the
buildings
are
within
that
10.7
meter
height,
with
the
exception
of
the
the
building
that
we're
proposing
on
perth
road
with
the
apartment
units
in
it.
That
building
is
slightly
taller
at
12.
B
So,
in
summary,
in
reviewing
this
application,
myself
and
my
colleagues
have
found
that
this
development
is
consistent
with
the
provincial
policy
statement.
It
completely
conforms
to
the
official
plan,
it's
an
appropriate
use
within
the
settlement
area.
It's
going
to
help
complete
the
the
hamlet
of
glen
burnie.
It's
going
to
offer
that
continued
vitality
by
offering
a
great
mix
of
commercial
opportunities,
so
this
represents
good
land
use
planning.
B
A
D
Difficulty
there
can
you
hear
me:
we
can
perfect
so
notice
for
this
application
was
distributed
in
accordance
with
the
planning
act.
Specifically,
notices
were
distributed
to
38
property
owners
within
120.
Meters
of
the
three
properties
signs
were
also
posted
along
the
the
three
road
frontages
there
and
notices
were
distributed
to
the
technical
agencies
as
required.
D
There
have
been
two
pieces
of
correspondence
received
on
this
application:
one
letter
of
opposition
from
a
resident
on
the
on
the
east
side
of
perth
road
and
another
piece
of
correspondence.
I
think
just
generally
asking
some
questions
about
how
the
site's
gonna
be
developed
and
lighting
concerns
strange
concerns,
those
types
of
things,
and
I
think
that
correspondence
was
provided
to
you
earlier
this
evening.
A
C
C
C
This
is
what
I'm
happy
with
you
know,
because
I've
certainly
been
vocal
about
certain
developments,
but
this
is
a
real
reflection
and
I
think
planning
for
that
of
how
how
how
how
development
can
be
done
well
and
that
that
harmonizes
with
the
rural
community
and
that
finds
strikes
that
balance
and
so
that,
if
you
want
to
follow
this
up,
I
mean
I
still
think
it's
important
to
to
to
monitor
the
site
plan
and
and
do
the
right
things
which
planning
will
ensure.
So.
B
B
There's
a
series
of
creeks
there's
a
series
of
improved
what
I
would
call
improved
agricultural
drains
as
well,
and
our
engineer
is
actually
on
the
line,
not
that
I
expect
that
he'll
need
to
speak,
but
we've
done
the
review
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
not
only
do
we
have
to
capture
the
existing
flow
that
goes
through
any
of
those
creeks,
but
through
the
detailed
design
that
will
come
out
at
site
plan.
Anything
we
do
to
the
site
has
to
also
be
accommodated.
B
C
There's
you
know,
deeper
ditches
are
required
and-
and
I
know
you're
doing
your
job,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
mention
that
you
know
to
not
do
it
well
now
we
want
to
do
it.
Well,
I
I
appreciate
the
applicant.
Has
that
in
mind,
but
that's
their
community
concern
just
to
verify.
Will
there
be
outdoor
storage
there,
or
will
there
be
only
just
be
the
indoor
storage.
B
C
B
To
through
you,
mr
chair,
and
to
you
counselor
user
hoff,
I
I
appreciate
what
you're
saying
as
I'm
also
more
I'm
a
south
front,
neck
resident,
but
nonetheless
glenn
bernie's,
one
of
my
main
shopping
areas
as
a
result,
and
one
of
the
conversations
we've
had
is
about
beautification
per
se
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
So,
yes,
you
can
see
in
our
conceptual
site
plan
we're
talking
about.
C
B
B
We
drilled
one
new
well
and
we
had
two
or
three
existing
wells
on
the
site
as
well
that
were
used
as
our
own
samples,
in
addition
to
some
of
the
neighbors
that
allowed
us
to
sample
their
wells
during
the
testing
so
to
monitor,
monitor
the
wells
when
we
tested
them
so
same
way.
Those
residents
want
to
ensure
they
have
their
water
forever.
We
want
to
ensure
this
business
or
businesses
are
also
successful.
B
B
D
C
B
Yes
through
you,
mr
chair,
there
will
be
probably
three
new
systems.
The
the
garage
will
not
have
a
new
system.
It's
going
to
stay
status
quo.
The
system,
that's
part
of
the
current
house-
would
be
a
bit
would
be
decommissioned
and
there
would
be
a
new
system
designed
for
the
new
buildings
that
are
proposed
and
when
designing
those
systems
there
would
be
the
the
room
would
have
to
be
available
also
for
backup
systems.
B
So
that
will
absolutely
be
part
of
the
process
and
if
those
systems
are
over
10,
000
liters
per
day
of
use,
those
require
ministry
of
environment,
moecp
approval,
so
we'll
likely
try
to
stay
under
those
size
requirements,
and
so
that's
going
to
restrict
the
type
of
uses
that
we
can
do
on
this
site
as
well.
So
we're
really
trying
to
keep
this
whole
development
and,
with
the
hamlet
in
mind,
keeping
it
low
water
use
low
septic
being
generated
as
we
advance
this
application.
C
Thank
you
for
that,
and
I
recognize
that
I
see
that
inherent
design
here
and
that's
why
I
I
say
that
I
might.
I
have
considerable
comfort
to
this,
but
all
those
things
are
still
important
and
the
the
parking
area,
someone
emailed
me
this
the
other
day
and
just
wanted
to
make
sure
so
the
parking
season
behind
the
building.
But
they
were
concerned
about
the
number
of
parking
spaces,
but
that
that's
according
to
a
plan
or
is
that
by
design.
B
Through
you,
mr
chair,
what
what
we've
shown
right
now
is
the
amount
of
parking
that
would
be
required
to
service
that
many
retail
shops
and
the
four
apartments
that
are
are
being
proposed
it,
the
you
know,
the
shape
will
likely
be
refined
as
we
work
with
staff
and
their
technical
comments,
but
that's
a
I
would
say
it's
approximately
the
size
that
will
be
required.
We
also
talked
about
having
all
the
parking
out
back
and
the
realities
are
that
some
front
yard
parking
is
still
required
in
this
kind
of
environment.
B
C
Yeah
I
see
that
and
three,
mr
chair,
I
thank
you
for
that
and
I
certainly
think
that
there's
a
as
you
have
indicated,
there's
a
compliment
to
the
community
in
this
design
and
I
think
that
that
should
be
applauded
and
the
synergy
is,
is
there
for
a
short-term
long-term
future.
So
I
I
thank
you
for
your
time
and
I
thank
you
very
much.
C
E
B
Certainly
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
the
pipelines
are
just
south
of
the
the
drainage
feature
that
runs
from
east
to
west,
so
the
the
pipelines
there's
actually
more
than
one
there.
They
run
through
the
field
south
of
that
creek,
so
they're
outside
the
urban
boundary.
So
this
development,
which
is
largely
focused
north
of
that
small
creek,
is
quite
set
back
quite
far
from
those
pipelines.
I
mean
it's
a
very
it's
interesting
that
it's
a
very
natural
divide
with
the
urban
boundary
of
the
of
glen
burnie
versus
rural.
E
B
E
A
B
F
B
Yeah,
so,
even
though
it's
still
within
the
this,
you
know
shannon's
corner
parcel.
The
development
doesn't
go
that
far
south
the
the
limiting
factor
being
the
official
plan
boundary
in
combination
with
the
natural
drainage
in
this
area.
It
just
it
makes
sense
and
that's
where
the
development
is
being
stopped.
E
E
B
G
Kylie
thanks
mr
chair
for
you,
mr
king,
can
I
just
pursue
that
for
a
second,
I
think
your
description
is
good,
but
do
you
know
the
distance?
Is
there
a
meter
separation
that
you
know
of
the
reason
why
this
is
coming
up?
Is
an
interested
resident
wrote
just
to
ask
about
the
radius?
If
say
there
are
a
leak
or
heaven
forbid
an
explosion,
or
something
like
that?
I
just
want
to
be
diligent
about
that.
B
B
You
can
see
the
the
the
setbacks
on
that
agricultural
ditch
feature
are
30
meters,
so
15
meters
on
each
side
of
it,
and
then
you
can
see
there's
roughly
about
that
much
distance
again
before
you
get
to
the
building.
So
I
would
estimate
the
setback
from
the
closest
pipeline
at
about
50
meters.
At
this
point,.
D
I
just
wanted
to
add
it
on
that,
so
both
enbridge
and
transcanada
pipeline
both
of
them
were
circulated
on
this
submission
and
we
did
receive
comments
back
from
both
of
them
and
there's
generally
no
concerns.
They've
got
the
standard
language
about
the
standard
setbacks
in
there
and
it's
it's
about
30
meters,
from
from
both
of
those
pipelines
that
they're
requesting
development
and
as
mr
keane
indicated,
the
nearest
proposed
building
is
in
around
50
meters
plus.
So
there
shouldn't
be
an
issue
there.
A
H
Mr
chair,
I'm
just
going
to
remind
members
of
the
public
at
this
time
that
if
they
wish
to
speak,
they
will
need
to
raise
their
hand
and
zoom.
You
will
find
that
located
at
the
bottom
of
your
zoom
window.
If
you
could,
please
raise
your
hand
if
you
would
like
to
speak,
I'm
just
going
to
give
them
a
couple
of
seconds
here.
Mr.
A
A
I
remember
when,
when
hamlets
were
discussed,
when
we
did
the
major
revision
of
our
official
plan,
and
this
meets
that
criteria
very
well-
and
I
know
from
being
on
the
housing
and
homelessness
committee
at
the
time,
there's
a
real
desire
for
rental
property,
hopefully
more
affordable
outside
of
the
urban
area,
and
so
I'm
pleased
that
there
are
four
additional
residential
units
planned
for
this
site.
So
I
I
appreciate
that
so.
A
A
A
A
The
first
is
thursday
january
14th
and
the
second
is
thursday
january
21st
questions
or
comments
regarding
those
two
minutes,
seeing
none.
If
there's
a
mover
and
a
shaker
counselor
hutchinson
and
counselor
osanac,
all
those
in
favor
hear
it
so
disclosure
for
cunary
interest,
seeing
none
delegations,
we
have
none
briefings.
We
have
none.
Now,
I'm
going
to
read
the
business
portion,
but
I
just
want
to
quickly
point
out.
A
A
Those
wishing
to
provide
oral
comments
at
this
meeting
will
be
invited
to
do
so,
and
so
the
one
and
only
consideration
before
us
is
1060
old
mill
road
and
it's
from
a
bumped
up
site
plan
which
comes
from
way
back
in
2014,
and
I
don't
even
remember
who
moved
or
seconded
it.
I
think
I
think
it
may
have
been
bill
glover
and
I
back
in
the
day.
But
it's
now
before
us
and
the
applicant
is
homestead
land
holdings
and
I
believe
they
have
a
representative
with
us
tonight.
F
F
F
F
F
You
have
from
the
little
cataract
way,
creek
watershed
and
the
provincially
significant
wetland
to
the
east
cataractly
cemetery
to
the
west,
which
is
a
part
four
designated
property
and
also
contains
a
national
historic
site,
as
it
is
the
final
resting
place
of
sir
john,
a
mcdonald
to
the
south.
You
have
the
other
two
apartment
blocks
that
were
included
in
phase
two
of
purdey's
mill
subdivision
and
to
the
southeast
is
the
single-family
development
which
constitutes
phase
one
of
the
purdee's
mill
subdivision
to
the
north
is
phase
three,
which
is
a
proposed
subdivision.
F
F
F
Next
slide.
Please
there
were
a
series
of
previous
applications
involving
the
subject
property,
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
and
draft
plan
of
subdivision,
which
were
filed
in
2011
and
approved
by
council
in
2014
a
final
plan,
a
subdivision
application
which
was
filed
in
2016
and
registered
and
approved
in
2018,
holding
symbol,
removal
application.
There
was
a
bylaw
that
was
approved
by
council
in
the
fall
of
2020
pertaining
to
the
site.
F
The
crca
is
issued
a
permit
under
the
regulation
for
the
works
on
the
site
plan
and
there
was
a
conditional
foundation
permit
issued
by
building
services
in
consultation
with
planning
services
earlier
this
year.
Next
slide,
please,
in
terms
of
the
land
use
of
the
subject
site,
it's
designated
mostly
residential.
In
the
official
plan,
there
is
a
small
portion
of
environmental
protection
area
in
the
top
corner.
F
F
F
F
F
Zoning
is
quite
specific
in
terms
of
the
height
of
height
and
material
of
the
fence
that
must
be
installed
along
the
property
line,
the
setback
of
the
berm,
the
minimum
height
of
the
berm,
the
slope
of
the
berm
and
then
also
prescribes
the
type
of
landscaping
in
terms
of
trees,
shrubs
and
flowers,
the
mix
being
both
deciduous
and
coniferous
plantings
and
the
trunk
diameter
of
the
trees
planted
along
the
sperm
next
slide.
Please.
F
This
is
an
overview
of
the
key
considerations
that
were
looked
at
through
the
technical
review.
The
site
plan,
control
application
planning
staff
have
confirmed
that
the
plans
are
consistent
with
the
applicable
zoning.
There
was
a
butternut
tree
health
assessment
that
was
filed
with
the
ministry
of
natural
resources
and
forestry.
F
Stormwater
management
was
reviewed,
as
was
site
servicing.
There
was
a
tree
inventory
and
preservation
plan
that
was
reviewed.
Grading
was
looked
at,
there
are
sediment
and
erosion
control
measures
that
have
been
implemented
are
to
be
implemented
through
the
site.
Plan
and
impacts
related
to
noise
were
also
reviewed.
F
A
Thank
you
very
much,
much
appreciated,
so
we'll
now
turn
to
the
committee
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
to
the
public
who,
on
the
committee,
have
any
questions
for
both
the
benefit
of
the
committee
and
and
the
public.
I
just
want
to
mention
that
site
plan
is
very,
very
specific
about
landscaping,
parking
waste
management,
those
kinds
of
issues,
but
things
like
density
and
height.
All
of
that
was
resolved
when
the
when
council
passed
the
bylaw
in
agreement
with
the
proposal.
F
When
it
would
be
allowed,
you
know
permit
when
the
soil
could
actually
be
moved
on
the
site
to
address
the
elevation
of
that
infrastructure,
so
that
it
is
consistent
with
the
approved
plans
from
the
subdivision.
So
there
has
been
some
very
positive
resolution
that
that
will
be
upcoming
to
address
the
cemetery's
concerns
in
that
regard.
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Through
you,
all
of
my
questions
have
to
do
with
the
landscaping,
so
we
have
the
scott
wentworth
diagram
of
what
the
plantings
on
top
of
the
berm
will
look
like,
and
I
just
wondered
question
to
staff
is
the
configuration
that
we
have
in
our
package
the
same
for
building
three
as
basically
was
built
for
building
one
and
two.
F
E
E
Because
when
this
came
forward
in
may
I
went
to
the
cemetery
and
looked
hard
at
the
berms,
because
you
have
a
good
view
from
the
cemetery
down
like
over
to
the
berms,
and
it's
just
like,
what's
in
our
letter
from
the
cataract
way,
cemetery
in
our
letter
today
about
how
you
know
like
the
the
plantings
they're,
just
like
very
small
trees,
and
it's
going
to
take
years
and
years
before
we're
going
to
achieve
the
screening
that
we
were.
You
know
I
was
on
the
committee
back
in
2014
back
in
even
2011.
E
But
this
is
our
only
our
only
opportunity
as
a
planning
committee
to
go
over
the
site
plan.
So
I
definitely
have
a
concern
about
that.
I
also
have
the
concern
that
the
cemetery
raised
where
what
councilor
hill
was
addressing
about
that
westerly
slope
of
the
berm
and
that
right
now
it's
higher
than
the
cemetery,
and
you
know
we
have
the
promise
that
it
will
be
addressed
when
the
earth
is
able.
You
know
to
be
dug
out.
That's
a
concern.
You
know.
Is
that
really
going
to
happen
this
spring?
E
Is
it
going
to
be
pushed
off
till
the
to
the
summer
time?
I
know
again
when
phase
three
came
up
in
may
there
were
emails
back
and
forth
about
the
trees
that
are
at
building
one
and
two
on
the
berm
that
some
of
them
are
dead,
because
that
was
pretty
noticeable
back
in
in
may
and
june.
Being
at
the
cemetery
looking
down
at
the
berm
and
seeing
even
the
coniferous
trees
were
all
brown,
not
all
of
the
trees
were
brown,
but
they
were
definitely
brown
trees.
E
I
don't
know
if
they
were
replanted
this
summer,
the
way
that
it
was
promised
to.
I
don't
know
I
don't
know.
If
we
go
back
there
in
may
2021,
are
we
still
going
to
see
those
those
brown
coniferous
trees
if
they
weren't
replanted?
I
don't
know
about
that.
What's
my
other
concern,
also
too,
you
know
it
was
raised
in
may
for
phase
three
that
the
cataract
way
cemetery.
You
know
board
they're
major
stakeholders
like
this
is
a
prime.
E
You
know
our
premier
cemetery
for
the
entire
city
and
they're
a
major
stakeholder,
because
they're
so
close,
you
know
to
the
sight
lines
of
this
plan,
and
here
we
see
in
today's
letter
that
they
just
started
to
have
correspondence
with
the
city
two
days
ago
and
it
hasn't
been
enough
time
for
the
board
to
even
call
a
meeting.
You
know
that's
just
not
enough
time
for
for
them
to
they
put
a
lot.
E
They
put
a
lot
of
points
across
but
like
two
days
of
verbal
notice,
that's
just
not
enough
to
actually
set
up
a
meeting,
so
I
have
a
concern
about
that
too.
So,
first
off,
then
I've
never
done
this
before
for
site
plan,
but
I
want
to
see
if
it's
allowed-
and
I
want
to
put
forth
an
amendment
and
here
I'll,
just
emailing
this
to
the
clerk
and
it's
to
add
some
more
trees
to
the
berm.
E
E
H
Mr
chair,
just
before
we
start
dealing
with
amendments
and
and
taking
a
more
detailed
look
at
some
of
the
concerns
that
councillor
sanik
has.
This
is
in
fact
a
time
for
questions
to
miss
lambert.
So
perhaps
we
could
deal
this
with
this
once
the
item
is
on
the
floor
and
then
we
can
address
the
concerns
for
amendment.
If
that
is
agreeable,.
A
J
E
No,
I
also
know
from
what
we
saw
in
the
correspondence
with
the
cemetery
and
confirmed
in
one
of
the
answers
I
received
that
the
trees
that
are
being
proposed
for
the
third
berm
are
going
to
be
the
same
size
as
to
what
has
been
planted
on
the
other
two
berms,
and
that
will
be
another
part
when
we
get
to
this
in
the
business
portion.
If
that's
how
it
goes
is
another
part
of
the
amendment
which
I'll
talk
to
later
then
so
that's
it
for
my
questions.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
J
To
begin
with,
that
would
survive,
but
certainly
putting
in
a
mature
tree
is
a
very
risky
operation
in
terms
of
survival.
From
my
experience,
I
also
just
wanted
to
mention,
as
as
because
a
lot
of
there
were
a
few
comments
made
about
existing
dead
trees
or
vegetation
that
hasn't
quite
established
on
the
first
two
phases
of
the
berm
part
of
our
process.
J
When
the
applicant
goes
to
clear
their
site
plan
and
get
their
securities
back,
we
send
staff
out
on
site
to
inspect
and
if
we
find
dead,
trees
and
trees
that
have
not
been
planted.
The
applicant
is
asked
to
either
replant
the
trees
or
plant
the
ones
they
did
not
and
until
they
do
that
they
don't
get
their
securities
back.
So
that's
sort
of
like
the
carrot
dangling
if
you
will
for
them
and
that's
how
we
we
try
to
ensure
that
the
work
gets
done
that
has
been
agreed
to
on
a
step,
an
application.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
threw
you
then
to
mr
park.
So,
okay,
that's
good
information
to
know
about
the
securities.
So
in
this
situation
that
all
the
site
plan
was
for
building
one
two
and
now
three
at
what
point
would
that
inspection
for
building
one
and
two
occur
to
then
look
at
the
securities
and
get
the
plantings
right?
Is
that
going
to
wait
until
after
everything's
built
out
for
building
three
or
would
that
happen
before
that
stage?.
J
J
I
can
certainly
look
in
to
see
where
they
are
in
terms
of
if
they
apply
on
phase
one
and
phase
two
to
get
that
cleared,
and
we
can
certainly
advise
committee
on
that.
But
typically
the
process
is
triggered
by
the
applicant
because
the
incentive
there
for
them
is
to
get
their
their
securities
back
difficult
to
speak
on
this
one,
because
the
phasing
as
I
understand
it,
has
been
over
a
number
of
years.
J
F
F
F
Perhaps
if
I
may
just
read
one
of
the
excerpts
from
the
zoning
to
give
a
sense
of
the
specificity
that
the
zoning
prescribes,
so
it
indicates
that
the
berm
shall
be
used
for
no
other
purpose
than
a
planting
of
a
row
of
trees
or
continuous
unpierced
hedgerow
of
evergreens
and
deciduous
trees,
not
less
than
five
feet
high
along
the
crest
of
the
berm.
The
remainder
of
the
strip
shall
be
used
for
no
other
purpose
than
a
planting
of
shrubs,
flowering,
shrubs
flower
beds
or
a
combination
thereof.
F
A
A
I
will
say
I
would
feel
more
reassured
if,
if
we're
able
to
have
the
city
forester
do
a
kind
of
inventory
of
the
other
two
berms
and
if,
if
replacements
are
required,
now
would
be
a
good
time
to
look
into
that
for
spring
planting.
Perhaps
and
councilor
sanik
knows
more
about
trees
than
I
do,
but
she
mentions
several
varieties
if
you
could
share
that
with
the
city
forester
as
well-
and
I
know
red
maples
grow,
astonishingly
quickly
and
they're
beautiful
trees.
So
that
might
be
a
consideration
as
well.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
the
the
the
statement
was
made
and
confirmed
it
seemed
to
me
and
wanted
to
be
convicted
about
this,
that
the
conditions
regarding
the
berm
and
the
vegetative
screening
that's
supposed
to
be.
There
is
the
same
for
building
three
as
it
is
for
building
one
and
two.
K
A
J
Through
you,
mr
chair,
I
think,
as
as
ms
lambert
was
explaining
earlier,
staff
have
not
had
the
opportunity
to
go
out
to
the
site
to
verify
the
claims
because
of
the
social
distancing
restrictions
we've
been
encountering
over
this
last
year,
and
certainly
once
we
are
able
to
do
that
and
do
a
visual
to
verify
it.
We
can
confirm
that,
right
now,
it's
based
on
observation
from
third
parties,
not
questioning
at
all
what
they're
saying,
but
we
would
have
to
verify
it.
A
F
Just
as
further
clarification
in
terms
of
the
phasing
and
and
the
rollout
of
of
the
buildings,
so
the
first
building
has
been
completed,
has
been
occupied
for
some
time
and
would
have
been
subject
to
a
request
for
security
release.
So
there
would
have
been
an
inspection
that
occurred
for
building
one
building.
Two
is
just
coming
around
to
being
completed
at
this
time,
and
so
the
applicant
hasn't
come
forward
in
terms
of
building
two
to
request
an
inspection
for
the
purpose
of
releasing
security.
J
K
K
So
in
my
view,
so
there's
a
number
of
claims
made
and
regarding
the
pooling
of
water
and
the
way
the
berm
doesn't
work
properly
and
that
the
swale
is
much
higher
than
than
it
ought
to
be
relative
to
the
cemetery
grounds.
And
the
question
is:
is
the
ryan
pierce
hedgerow?
Well,
presumably,
that's
an
observer.
Observational
thing
we
can
be
determined,
so
the
question
is
ultimately
whether
we
can
make
a
decision
tonight.
If
we
don't
know
what's
going
on.
J
F
F
Part
a
indicates
that
any
further
technical
issues
be
resolved
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
city.
So
it
is,
you
know,
customary
for
when
there's
a
bump
up
the
site
plan
to
bring
it
forward
to
the
committee
to
hear
any
comments
and
then
for
the
matter
typically
to
be
referred
back
to
the
director
of
planning
and
the
committee
and
its
purview
can
identify
additional
items
that
they
wish
to
have
addressed
before
the
owner
enters
into
the
site.
Plan
control
agreement
before
the
director
issues,
an
approval
letter
for
the
application
and.
A
F
Yes,
noting
that,
what's
before
the
committee
is
a
site
plan
for
the
third
block
of
this
subdivision,
there
are
lands
outside
of
the
subject
property
where
there
have
been
concerns.
Noted
and
staff
have
been
working.
You
know
diligently
and
have
made
progress
in
having
open
communication
amongst
the
cemetery
staff
and
the
property
owner
to
address
those
concerns.
Concurrent
to
the
processing
of
this
particular
site
plan
control
application,
and
my
my
sense
is
that
things
are
moving
in
a
positive
direction
and
that
you
know
comes
bring.
F
A
lot
of
these
issues
will
be
addressed
in
that
for
building
one
we
do
have
like
mr
park
mentioned.
We
do
have
a
registered
site
plan
control
agreement
and
we
do
have
redress
in
terms
of
any
plantings
that
are
found
to
be
unsatisfactory
to
in
terms
of
compliance
with
the
zoning
by
law,
for
building
two
who
are
holding
securities
and
have
yet
to
do
the
the
inspection
to
view
the
plantings
for
that
block.
And
then
you
have
the
third
application,
which
is
the
subject
of
the
recommendation
before
the
committee.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
so
any
further
questions
from
the
committee
seeing
none
I'll
turn
to
the
clerk.
Are
there
any
members
of
the
public?
I
believe
I
see
ian
sullivan,
who
I
believe
is
with
homestead,
but
would
he
like
to
speak
to
any
of
these
comments
or
would
are
there
any
members
of
the
public
that
would
like
to
speak.
H
Mr
chair,
there
is
one
member
of
public
and
attendance
still
this
evening.
I
am
just
going
to
ask
them
that,
should
they
wish
to
speak
at
this
time
to
please
use
the
raised
hand
function
in
zoom.
In
order
to
do
so,
you
will
need
to
go
to
the
bottom
of
your
zoom
window
with
your
mouse
to
to
see
the
raised
hand
function,
I'm
just
going
to
give
a
couple
of
seconds.
H
A
If
by
moving
a
motion
recommendation
to
amend
or
that
I
will
say,
if
you're
satisfied,
that
city
staff
have
taken
everything
under
consideration,
that's
been
said,
then
we
may
not.
If
you
feel
that
you
need.
You
would
like
an
amendment
to
the
recommendation
or
some
clarification
through
an
amendment
I'll
entertain
that,
although
it
may
be
a
question
for
the
clerks
and
staff,
yes
councillor.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
threw
you
so
I
won't
do
something
that
could
be
wrong
and
make
an
amendment,
but
I
would
like
to
see
some
red
oak
added
to
the
top
of
the
berm,
not
to
the
side
of
the
berm,
to
the
top
of
the
berm,
where
we
can
get
maximum
screening
and
looking
at
maybe
up
to
five
red
oak
and,
like
I
said
earlier
up
to
10
eastern
white
pines,
since
so
many
white
pine
trees
are
being
taken
down
at
the
site.
E
E
So,
in
this
view,
that's
google
maps
zooming
down
to
what
the
berm
is,
and
so,
if
you
look
at
that
and
then
the
scott
wentworth
diagram,
that's
in
our
package,
you
can
see
that
that
is
the
exact
the
exact
formation
right
with
like
a
bunch
of
clusters
and
then
tree
tree
tree
and
a
little
cluster
of
like
bushes
service
berries
tree
tree
tree,
and
you
know
this
berm
was
built
more
than
one
year
ago.
It
was
built
several
years
ago
and
that's
how
scant
it
looks.
C
E
Looking
a
lot
of
the
trees
that
are
planted
and
these
trees
weren't
planted
like
last
year.
You
know
they
were
planted
a
while
ago
and
they
look
like
they're.
Basically,
my
height,
like
they're,
only
five
feet
tall,
and
so
I
asked
our
forestry
department
today
that
if
we
planted
a
fall,
you
know
if
this
was
a
faux
tree
planting
and
we
were
planting
a
40
to
60
millimeter
dbh
tree
right.
E
You
know
the
riversides.
You
know
as
part
of
the
crca
sapling
planting
like
for
our
fall
city
tree
program,
we're
planting
a
good
size
tree
deciduous
10
to
12
feet
tall
is
what
40
to
60
millimeter
dbh
tree
works
out
to
be
deciduous
they're
a
bit
shorter,
they're,
four
to
six
feet:
40
to
60,
millimeters
of
coniferous,
sun
of
a
coniferous
tree.
That's
40
to
60
millimeters
dbh
is
4
to
6
feet.
So
I
just
don't
know
if
these
trees
that
were
planted
on
the
berm
were
they.
E
Actually,
you
know
that
caliber
or
a
few
years
later
have
they
just
grown
to
be
that
size
of
five
feet
tall.
So
whatever
trees
we
plant
for
building
three,
I
would
want
them.
This
is
the
bottom
line
message
to
be
the
same
size
caliber
of
what
we
plant
as
a
city
tree
in
our
fall
tree
planting
program
and
then
mr
clerk
or
sorry,
mr
chair,
we
don't
have
to
amendment,
but
those
are
my
two
points
and
madame
clerk.
E
Is
it
possible
at
all
to
show
that
one
photo
that
I
sent
showing
the
berm
yeah?
Okay,
so
everyone
this
was
in
our
package
back
in
may
at
the
cataract
we
cemetery
sent
us
and
you
can
see
how
it's
just
a
few
coniferous
trees.
You
know
it's
yeah,
it's
going
to
take
years
before
they're
going
to
be
able
to
do
any
screening.
E
I
don't
even
know
where
the
deciduous
trees
are
in
view
like
you,
zoom
in
and
in
and
in
you
can't
even
really
see
them,
but
you
can
see
how
there's
the
one
dead
tree.
That's
very
visible
at
the
top
of
the
berm,
and
now
we
found
out
that
we
haven't
been
able
to
do
a
site
inspection,
so
we've
already
lost
growth.
You
know,
hopefully,
this
spring
we
can
get
it
planted,
but
then
we
know
that
trees
survive
best
in
ontario
with
the
fall
tree
planting.
A
J
Through
you,
mr
chair,
I
I
think
if
we
could
have
a
recommendation,
that
I
went
back
and
asked
the
planning
director
to
consider
in
consultation
with
the
city
arborist
and
the
applicant,
what
is
technically
feasible
for
this
third
phase.
We
can
certainly
look
at
all
the
issues
that
you've
raised,
counselor
and.
A
F
A
H
Mr
chair,
we
we
did
check
in
with
members
of
the
public
previously,
since
we
don't
have
the
motion
on
the
floor,
we
can
do
one
final
call,
member
of
the
public
who
is
still
with
us.
If
you
wish
to
speak
at
this
time,
please
raise
your
hand
so
that
we
may
so
that
you
may
address
the
committee
and
I
still
don't
see
a
hand.
Mr
chair,
okay,.
A
K
I'm
I'm
sorry.
I'm
still
concerned
that
what
has
not
gone
on
is
going
to
repeat
itself
here
and
mr
park
indicated.
We
could
pass
a
recommendation
to
make
sure
that
it
goes
to
the
director
which
is
going
under
this.
I
realize
that
it's
specifically
about
this,
and
I
don't
see
why
we
wouldn't
do
that.
J
J
K
So
that's
a
problem
separate
from
whether
somebody
wants
to
appeal
this
or
not
right
and,
like
I
said
before,
it's
almost
a
question
of
is
there
an
un
pierced
hedgerow
is
the
drainage
aqua
adequate
is
there's
the
screen
that
needs
to
be
applied
to
achieve
the
ends
that
the
agreement
outlines
and
it
seems
to
me
the
answer
is
it?
Doesn't
the
the
circumstances
don't?
And
so
you
know
I
don't
know,
there's
a
question
of
good
faith
here
right,
not
not
on
the
part
of
staff,
but
I'm
the
proponent,
the
anyway.
K
I
I
think
if
I
think
we
either
make
a
recommendation
or
we
take
our
chances.
So
in
any
rate,
it's
only
a
recommendation.
So
I
did
want
to
have
one
comment
about
the
trees.
I
I
think
the
counselor
of
sonic
is
correct
about
the
size
of
trees.
I've
experienced
with
planting
these
trees.
Now
I
think
mr
park
was
referring
to
slope
and
problems
with
planting
on
a
berm,
and
that
is
an
issue
and
certain
trees
grow
better
on
the
slope
than
others.
K
So
that's,
I
think,
that's
something
has
to
be
entertained
and
if
the
trees
are
planted
right
on
top
of
the
berm
and
it's
not
completely
oval,
I
think
you've
got
a
fairly
good
chance
that
those
type
of
trees
will
take
if
you
water
them
properly
so
and
then
the
other
thing
is
the
drainage.
I
mean
this
is
quite
a
concern.
We
get
from
the
from
the
cemetery
about
the
flooding
of
graves
now.
K
A
J
Yes,
thank
you
through
you,
mr
chair.
I
guess
a
number
of
issues
you've
raised
there
counselor
hutchinson.
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
in
this
situation
we're
looking
at
three
buildings
here.
The
first
one
was
built,
as
ms
lambert
said
a
number
of
years
ago,
and
the
site
plan
has
been
cleared
for
that.
J
Then,
when
they
go
when
homestead
comes
to
us
to
have
their
securities
released
of
inspecting
the
site
and
again
if
the
plantings
have
failed
or
not
been
planted,
we
have
that
as
collateral
in
this
third
phase,
which
is
the
the
only
issue
that
is
really
before
committee
tonight.
Is
this
third
phase?
J
That's
where
I
think
we
can
take
back
the
the
suggestions
that
have
been
raised
by
committee
about
looking
at
different
caliper
sizes.
Different
tree
species
speak
with
the
state.
Arbors
speak
with
the
the
applicant
on
improving
that
planting
scheme
and
the
last
point
I
wanted
to
to
address
it.
You
raised
about
the
flooding
concerns.
As
ms
lambert
said
at
the
beginning
of
her
presentation,
the
the
applicant's
engineer
has
been
on
site.
They
have
done
some
surveying
work.
They
realize
there
are
some
grading
issues.
K
K
A
E
G
It's
difficult
to
be
concise.
I
guess
I'm
very
sympathetic
to
what
councilor
hutchinson
and
osanic
have
said,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
find
that
balance
of
not
setting
an
unnecessary
precedent
and
also
trusting
our
staff
to
pay
for
concern.
So
I
agree
with
them,
but
I
think
we
should
just
move
forward.
A
E
Through
you,
mr
chair,
my
question
to
staff
is,
if
I
don't
move
a
deferral
here
until
which
time
in
the
spring,
the
elevation
and
drainage
issue
is
resolved
on
the
west
side
of
the
of
the
berm.
Can
planning
committee
get
a
report
on
updates
each
month,
starting
in
the
month
of
may
to
this
committee
about
the
flooding
right
this
the
drainage
issues
that
we
talked
about?
Their
engineer
was
wanting
to
address
and
also
the
tree
plantings
on
the
berms.
E
What's
what's
been
decided
and
the
deficiencies
can,
can
we
get
a
simple
one-page
bullet
point
update
each
month,
starting
in
may,
because
otherwise,
you
know
how
things
happen,
which
is
exactly
how
things
happen,
that
site
plan
for
building
one
and
two
didn't
end
up
coming
to
planning
committee.
We
all
get
busy
and
we
have
to
keep
on
top
of
this-
is
really
important.
So
can
we
get
a
one-page
summary
each
month,
starting
in
may
as
to
how
this
file
is
progressing
and
what's
been
decided.
J
I
would
perhaps
suggest
staying
away
from
deferral
on
this
or
you
may
find
that
the
the
applicant
does
consider
appealing,
because
right
now,
they're
in
the
ground
for
their
foundation
permit
and
unless
they
get
site
plan
approval,
they
cannot
get
the
rest
of
their
building
permits,
so
we
would
be
causing
them.
Undue
delay
with
a
deferral
I
I
will
undertake
is
the
commitment
from
staff
that
we
would
report
back
monthly
with
an
information
report
too.
J
A
J
E
E
I
Yeah
and
I
I
just
want
to
sort
of
concur
with
the
sort
of
what
sounded
like
a
final
resolution
here,
because
we
have
lots
of
controversial
files
and
if
we're
asking
staff
to
bring
back
a
report,
you
know
to
each
meeting
as
these
files.
You
know
this.
Could
that
could
be.
You
know
quite
cumbersome
over
time,
so
I
do
think
it's
best
to
sort
of
trust
in
in
staff
to
to
follow
up
on
what
we've
asked
them
to
do
here
tonight,
and
then
you
know,
I
think,
up
to
us.
I
You
know
if,
if
we're
progressing,
you
know
to
remind
folks
again
at
the
appropriate
time
we
will
have
a
couple
more
opportunities
to
do
that.
So
you
know
I
I
just.
I
think
I
hesitate
to
sort
of
formalize
that
because
you
know
become
a
practice,
that's
going
to
really
really
bog
us
down
if
we
have
all
kinds
of
parts
coming
every
every
every
meeting,
thanks.
A
A
We've
received
that
in
our
addendum,
seeing
no
comments
on
that
date
and
time
of
our
next
meeting
february,
18th
at
6
pm
and
I
believe,
we'll
have
a
busier
agenda
that
night,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
so
we'll
call
them
a
motion
to
adjourn
councillor
hill
seconded
by
councillor
hutchinson,
all
those
in
favor,
carrie
and
good
night.
All.