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Planning Committee meeting from January 20, 2022. For full agenda details visit https://bit.ly/33DDfNe
A
And
I
do
believe
we
are
live,
so
we
can
go
ahead
and
get
started.
We
do
have
quorum
this
evening.
We
are
currently
missing
councillor
hutchison,
who
hopefully
will
be
joining
us
shortly.
Joining
us
from
staff
are
tim
park,
director
of
planning
services,
james
barr
manager
of
development
approvals,
megan
robidu,
intermediate
planner.
A
B
Great,
thank
you
very
much.
Miss
fawcett
welcome
everyone
to
planning
committee
tonight
we
have
one
public
meeting
and
to
get
us
underway,
I'm
going
to
read
the
notice
of
collection,
which
gives
a
bit
of
detail
on
how
this
meeting
will
be
conducted.
So
if
you're,
following
along
with
your
agenda,
this
is
page
two
notice
of
collection,
personal
information
collected
as
a
result
of
this
public
meeting
and
process
is
collected
under
the
authority
of
the
planning
act
and
will
be
used
to
assist
in
making
decisions
on
this
matter.
B
The
purpose
of
the
public
meeting
is
to
present
planning
applications
in
a
public
forum
and
to
give
the
public
an
opportunity
to
make
representations
in
respect
of
the
proposal,
as
required
by
the
planning
act
following
presentations
by
the
applicant.
The
meeting
will
be
opened
up
to
the
public
for
comments
and
questions.
B
Persons
speaking
at
the
meeting
are
requested
to
give
their
name
and
address
for
recording.
In
the
minutes,
additionally,
interested
members
of
the
public
can
email,
the
committee
clerk
or
the
assistant
planner
if
they
wish
to
be
notified
regarding
a
particular
application
and
the
planner's
email
is
just
the
next
page
on
again
for
anyone
who's
in
this
document,
no
decisions
are
made
at
public
meetings
concerning
applications.
B
An
exception
to
this
rule
is
combined
reports
which
consolidates
public
meetings
and
comprehensive
reports.
These
applications
are
deemed
by
staff
as
straightforward
and
routine
public
meeting
reports
are
provided
to
inform
the
public
of
all
relevant
information.
After
the
meeting
tonight,
staff
will
be
considering
comments
made
by
the
public
in
their
further
review
of
the
application.
B
B
Following
a
council
decision
notice
will
be
circulated
in
accordance
with
the
planning
act
if
a
person
or
public
body
would
otherwise
have
an
ability
to
appeal.
The
decision
counsel,
the
corporation
of
the
city
of
kingston
to
the
ontario
land
tribunal,
but
the
person
or
public
body
does
not
make
oral
submissions
at
the
public
meeting
or
make
written
submissions
of
the
city
of
kingston
before
the
bylaw
is
passed.
The
person
or
public
body
is
not
entitled
to
appeal
the
decision.
B
C
C
C
As
part
of
this
public
meeting
planning
staff
have
prepared
a
public
meeting
report
summarizing
the
proposal.
It
should
be
noted
that
no
recommendations
or
decisions
are
being
made
this
evening
regarding
this
report
planning
staffer
in
attendance
this
evening
to
record
the
questions
being
asked
of
the
applicant
and
to
address
technical
questions
regarding
the
planning
process.
C
B
D
Good
evening,
and
thank
you
very
much-
my
name
is
jennifer
wood
and
I'm
a
planner
with
botan
planning
and
design
representing
the
applicant
this
evening,
plaza
com,
who's,
seeking
applications
for
official
plan
and
zoning
by
law.
Amendment
for
2685,
creekford
road
next
slide.
D
So
the
property
is
located
in
the
creek
cataract
way:
westbrook
neighborhood,
it's
near
the
intersection
of
gardner's
road
and
creekford
road.
The
site
is
just
west
of
the
cataract
business
park
where
you'll
find
a
mix
of
business
park,
uses
light
industrial
uses
a
number
of
existing
complementary
commercial
uses,
as
well
as
the
invista
center
recreational
facility
and
the
site's
very
close
to
highway
401
and
is
within
600
meters
of
transit,
including
the
invista
center
perkin
ride.
Next
slide:
please,
the
property
is
currently
vacant
and
is
1.47
hectares
in
size.
D
It's
got
roughly
145
meters
of
frontage
along
creekford
road
immediately
west
of
the
site
is
an
industrial
garage
and
workshop
and
sand
dome
to
the
south
of
the
site
is
an
existing
office.
Building
to
the
north
is
currently
vacant
and
to
the
east
are
various
industrial
uses,
including
manufacturing
and
warehousing
as
well
as
some
commercial
uses.
D
D
D
Building
b
is
proposed
in
the
west
side
of
the
site.
It's
a
two-story
office
building
containing
roughly
18
000
square
feet
of
office.
Space
and
building
c
is
proposed
in
the
south
side
of
the
site,
and
this
is
a
one-story
office.
Building
containing
seven
units
that
are
roughly
two
thousand
square
feet
in
size.
D
D
The
official
plan
does
provide
a
list
of
permitted
complementary
uses.
However,
gas
station
is
not
included
within
this
list.
Next
slide,
please
so
this
is.
This
is
a
list
from
the
official
plan
which
outlines
those
complementary
uses
that
are
permitted
in
the
business
park:
industrial
designation.
D
So
the
convenience
store
and
drive-through
facility
that
are
being
proposed
on
the
site
are
permitted
complementary
uses,
but
the
gas
station
component
is
not
so
we're
proposing
an
official
plan
amendment
to
permit
a
limited
range
of
automotive
uses,
including
gas
bars
and
car
wash
so
really
limiting
it
to
that
particular
automotive
use
and
using
that
language
to
not
open
it
up
to
a
broader
range
of
automotive
uses.
D
Next
slide,
please:
the
property
is
currently
zoned
service,
industrial
m3,
so
the
m3
zone
is
more
of
an
a
traditional
general
industrial
zone
that
permits
uses
like
assembly
plants,
auto
body
shops,
bulk
storage,
garages
contractor
shops,
industrial
repair
shops,
these
types
of
uses,
so
the
current
zoning
really
isn't
is
not
consistent
with
the
official
plan
designation,
which
really
contemplates
more
of
a
prestige
office,
use
and
light
industrial
development
next
slide.
Please
so
we're
proposing
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
to
rezone
the
property
from
the
m3
to
a
site-specific
business
park
zone.
D
This
will
allow
for
the
development
of
the
proposed
office
buildings
which
are
not
currently
permitted
in
the
industrial
m3
zone,
and
then
the
rezoning
will
also
bring
bring
the
zoning
into
better
conformity
with
the
official
plan
will
better
align
with
the
business
park.
Permissions
that
apply
to
the
city
in
order
to
recognize
that
the
official
plan
directs
limiting
complementary
commercial
uses
to
25
we're
actually
proposing
to
bring
that
language
into
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
by
capping
the
permitted
commercial
gfa
to
25
percent
of
the
total
gfa
of
the
site
through
the
zoning
amendment.
D
So
in
doing
this,
the
convenience
store
and
the
gas
station
may
only
occupy
a
maximum
of
25
percent
of
the
site's
total
gross
floor
area
and
we're
also
proposing
to
allow
for
flexibility
of
construction
phasing
by
including
a
provision
in
the
zoning
site,
specific
zoning
that
would
permit
a
maximum
of
400
square
meters-
commercial
gfa,
to
be
constructed
before
the
principal
use
or
primary
use.
Next
slide.
Please
further
in
terms
of
the
proposed
zoning
by
law
amendment.
D
It
would
include
a
provision
that
indicates
that
the
zone
boundary,
which
you
can
see
outlines
in
this
slide
on
the
image
on
the
right,
the
bp
xx.
Those
x's
will
become
numbers
once
this
is
brought
forward
for
potential
approval.
D
So
essentially
the
zoning
would
say
that
that
zone
boundary
is
to
be
considered
the
property
lines
which
would
simply
allow
for
future
land
division
after
the
site
is
developed
and
not
resulting
in
technical
zoning
and
compliance
and
having
to
come
back
in
the
future,
because
the
official
plan
contemplates
light
industrial
uses
in
the
business
park
and
dust
designation.
D
I
would
highlight,
though,
that
we
are
proposing
that
these
light
industrial
uses
only
permit
be
permitted
within
a
building,
so
we're
not
running
into
any
outdoor
industrial
activities,
because
that's
not
the
intent
of
the
business
park,
designation
and
then,
as
a
final
note
I'll
just
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
there.
C
D
D
So
to
summarize,
the
applications
before
you
this
evening
are
to
permit
the
development
of
two
office
buildings
and
complementary
commercial
uses
on
the
currently
vacant
site.
The
official
plan
amendment
will
permit
a
gas
station
as
an
additional
permitted.
Complementary
use.
The
zoning
bylaw
amendment
will
bring
the
site's
zoning
into
better
conformity
with
the
official
plan
by
taking
it
from
an
industrial
zone
to
a
business
park
zone
and
the
site.
Specific
zoning
or
proposing
will
ensure
that
the
complementary
commercial
development
and
component
of
this.
C
D
B
Thank
you
very
much,
miss
wood,
so
as
a
reminder
to
the
committee
and
if
any
members
of
the
public
are
here
to
participate,
we'll
proceed
by
allowing
members
of
the
public
to
ask
questions
or
make
comments,
and
when
folks
do
that
they
can
give
their
name
and
address
and
they'll
have
up
to
five
minutes
each
and
then
we'll
go
to
another
member
of
the
public
for
about
three
or
four
people.
And
then
the
applicant
can
respond
directly
to
those
questions
and
comments
followed
by
that
committee
will
have
a
chance
to
ask
questions
as
well.
B
A
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
through
you
we
do
still
have
two
members
of
the
public
with
us.
So
I'll
just
ask
that.
Should
you
wish
to
speak
during
this
portion
of
the
meeting,
we
will
require
you
to
raise
your
hand
and
zoom.
This
is
located
in
the
center
of
your
screen
when
you
move
the
mouse
over
the
zoom
window,
I'm
just
going
to
give
a
couple
minutes
here
to
make
sure
that
they're
able
to
find
the
correct
button
to
push
again.
B
All
right,
then,
with
the
committee's
approval.
What
I'd
suggest
is
we
go
directly
to
committee
and
if
someone
that's
here
was
having
technical
difficulty,
we
could
circle
back
to
the
public
just
to
make
sure,
because
usually
there's
at
least
one
person
is
that
okay
with
community
could
I
just
see
general
nodding,
alrighty
so
committee,
it's
your
chance,
we'll
go
five-minute
limit
each
to
start
and
if
there
are
second
rounds
of
questions,
that's
okay,
too
any
inquiries
for
the
applicant
about
this
project.
Council,
sanic.
E
Thank
you.
I
don't
know
what
my
question
would
be,
but
I
just
wanted
to
tell
ms
wood
you
know
like
I
was
on
planning
committee
when
we
built
this
prestigious
business
park
and
the
reason
why
we
made
it
like
the
prestige
business
park
is
called
is
because
we
didn't
want
a
gas
station
because
we've
seen
other
business
parks.
You
know
further
south
on
gardner's
road,
but
all
over
the
city
that
we're
supposed
to
be
business
parks.
For
you
know,
office
space.
E
You
know,
like
the
other
two
office
buildings
and
instead
they've
been
you
know
like
converted
into
more
commercial
space,
and
so
you
know
I'm
really
disappointed
to
see
the
gas
station
when
we
got
a
gas
station
right
across
the
corner,
and
this
was
supposed
to
be
a
prestige.
You
know
business
park.
You
know
like.
I
appreciate
that
25
of
the
gfa
to
that
complimentary
use,
but
you
know
like
that.
E
This
is
exactly
why
you
know
we
made
this
business
park
like
this,
and
you
know
like
even
with
restaurants,
that
sort
of
thing
like
you
see
the
business
park
further
south
on
gardner's
road
that
was
supposed
to
be
office.
Space
business
park,
where
trillium
genesis
club
is
and
trillium
genesis
club,
is
surrounded
by
bars
right,
like
restaurants.
In
there
a
paint
store
commercial
and,
like
my
question
I
guess
would
be.
E
Are
you
aware
that
the
city
of
kingston
has
had
you
know,
studies
on
our
commercial
land
area
and
that
kingston
has
more
than
enough
of
commercial
land?
You
know
which
are
retail
space,
and
now
this
you
know
with
the
convenience
store
and
the
gas
station
is
all
part
of
an
expanded.
E
D
D
From
what
I
understand,
there
were
fewer
restrictions
in
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
past
those
lands
that
would
not
essentially
restrict
the
timing
or
phasing
of
commercial
versus
employment
development,
and
so
what
happened
was
a
number
of
there
was
a
broader
plan
approved
for
a
mix
of
commercial
and
business
park.
Industrial
uses,
except
for
the
commercial
came
online
first
and
then
limited
business
park.
Industrial
uses
came
on
after
the
fact.
D
What
we're,
including
in
this
zoning
bylaw
amendment,
is
that
a
limited
maximum
commercial
gfa
can
occur
and
can
occur
first
so
that
we
don't
end
up
with
additional
commercial
development
on
the
site
beyond
the
convenience
store
before
any
of
the
employment
uses
are
developed,
and
I
do.
I
do
fully
appreciate
your
concerns
and
I
think
there
are
strong
opportunities
here
through
the
office
space
that
the
developer
does
want
to
develop.
To
achieve
those
prestige,
business
park
goals-
and
I
think,
through
through
the
design
and
certainly
they've,
had
interest
from
tenants
to
develop
those
uses.
D
E
I
can't
remember
if
it
was
a
prestige,
business
park
or
just
a
business
park
and
all
they
built
on
that
site
is
the
gas
station,
and
so
now
I'm
just
hearing
that
phase
one
is
going
to
be
built
first
of
the
gas
station
and
and
so
a
question
like
I
know,
staff
can't
answer
questions.
E
It's
just
a
public
meeting,
but
just
my
own
thing,
for
when
the
comprehensive
report
comes
right,
that's
a
concern
that
I
want
to
address
like
how
many
years
will
it
then
be
for
part
two
and
part
three,
so
that
we
just
don't
have
a
gas
station
sitting
on
that
corner
that
we
keep
that
the
city
residents
that
the
city
can
benefit
from
the
prestige
business
park
of
office
space
employment
uses
that
it
was
meant
for,
and
I
don't
know,
ms
wood,
if
you
can
say
you
know
like.
C
D
And
three,
mr
chair,
we
can
certainly
provide
some
additional
information
on
expected
timing
of
the
construction
of
the
of
the
office
space
after
the
gas
station
and
convenience
store.
E
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
I
just
have
another
third
question
and
the
only
reason
why
I'm
being
so,
picky
is
because,
like
we've
been
told
as
a
council
that
our
employment
lands,
you
says
we
don't
have
any
more
employment
lands
right
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
pressure
on
council
right
now
to
expand,
expand,
expand,
you
know,
get
more
employment
lands,
and
so
here
we
had
a
prestige.
Business
park
got
approved
many
years
ago.
It's
just
been
sitting
as
a
big
rock
pile
all
these
years,
and
now
it's
going
to
be
a
gas
station.
E
So
I'm
just
disappointed
to
hear
that.
But
what
was
my
last
question
then.
So
we
do
have
a
letter
in
tonight's
package
that
staff
have
identified,
and
it's
talking
about
you
know
if
maybe
a
residential
use
can
be
in
there,
which
you
know
is
not
is,
is
you
know
just
an
idea
to
put
out
there
now,
because
we
are
in
such
a
housing
crisis
right
and
was
that
ever
talked
about
with
the
landowner
like?
Was
there
any
indication
with
that
applicant
or
was
it
just
always
commercial
commercial?
Because
we
are
doing
some?
D
Maybe
some
town
houses
similar
to
what's
being
proposed
to
make
the
references
further
down
midland
which
not
exactly
what
site,
but
I
suspect
it's
actually
the
site
being
developed
by
the
same
applicant
who's
seeking
approvals.
The
fundamental
difference
between
the
two
sites
is
the
official
plan
designation.
D
So
I
think
that
would
need
to
be
looked
at
in
the
scope
of
a
much
broader
study
and
likely
the
city
of
kingston's
next
official
plan
update
to
determine
whether
it
makes
sense
to
remove
land
from
from
employment
lands
and
convert
it
to
residential.
So
all
that
to
say
no,
because
the
policy
planning
policy
doesn't
support
residential
here
currently,
but
it
could
be
looked
at
in
the
next
op
update.
F
In
I
just
want
to
back
up
what
counselor
sanik
said:
we've
had
two
commercial
land
studies
that
I
can
remember,
probably
three.
Since
the
time
we've
been
on
council
and
I
attended
those
meetings
and
read
the
reports
and
we
have
far
more
commercials
than
we
as
a
city
need
the
province
doesn't
like
it.
They
tell
us
that
and
we
also
pay
a
heavy
price
to
develop
these
employment
plans
and
that's
why
they're
so
important.
That's
one
of
the
reasons
they're
so
important,
but
you've
got
to
have
jobs
for
people
as
well.
F
So
I'm
not
sure
why
this
application
should
be
approved.
I
mean
it's
convenient
to
the
opponent,
but
it
doesn't
seem
altogether
convenient
to
the
city,
and
so
I
think
it,
I
think,
there's
sometimes.
C
F
Attitude
that
that
we,
you
know
it's
all
employment,
well
good
planning
suggests
otherwise
the
province
suggests
otherwise.
So
my
question
is:
if
there,
my
questions
are
following
on
what
counselor
sanik
said.
The
first
thing
I
have
to
ask
about
is
the
gas
station.
This
is
threatening
to
become
a
a
stranded
asset.
F
Why
would
you
want
to
build
a
gas
station
aside
from
the
fundamental
thing
that
there
are
two
gas
stations
immediately
nearby
right?
Do
you
do
any
plans
at
all
for
an
electrical
charging
station?
F
B
D
Thank
you,
and
and
through
the
chair,
charging
stations
are
being
considered
and
I
think
it's
something
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
in
detail
with
prospective
tenants
of
this
development.
F
So
my
next
question
is
why
so
many
parking
spaces
for
building
b
we've
got
110
parking
spaces.
The
city
has
got
a
new
parking
study,
it's
connected
to
the
residential
primarily,
but
but
the
idea
is
that
parking
costs
money
and
we
should
be
restricting
this.
What's
the
argument
for
so
many
spaces
in
this,
so
many
parking
spaces
in
this
development.
D
Thank
you,
and
through
the
chair,
the
parking
being
provided
just
meets
the
zoning
bylaw
requirement
for
how
many
spaces
are
required
for
office
use
based
on
the
gross
floor
area
proposed.
So
we're
not.
If
we
were
to
provide
less,
we
would
need
an
amendment
to
the
zoning
vial
because
we
wouldn't
be
meeting
the
minimum
requirement.
D
We
haven't
looked
at
reducing
it
through
an
amendment
because
we
can
meet
the
amount
required
on
site.
The
site
has
decent
access
to
public
transit.
It's
it's
not
located
immediately
on
a
transit
route,
but
it's
within
600
meters,
which
is
kind
of
on
the
edge
of
what
we
consider
now
to
be
walkable
distance.
So
you
know
we
do
expect
based
on
the
location
of
this
site,
that
at
least
right
now
many
folks
will
be
accessing
these
office
buildings
by.
G
F
So
I
have
severe
questions
about
the
residential
suggestion.
F
I
don't
think
that's
something
that
also
interferes
with
the
commercial
industrial
balance
as
well.
So
so
you
answered,
you
gave
the
answer
you're
going
to
give
tonight
for
the
time
being
the
counselor
santa.
So
I'm
not
going
to
repeat
it,
so
my
main
question
was
actually
more
directed
to
the
staff
like
they.
F
C
Yeah,
thank
you
through
mr
chair.
Thank
you
for
your
question.
Councilor
hutchison.
As
you
know,
this
application
is
very
much
still
under
technical
review.
We
haven't
yet
issued
any
technical
comments
to
the
applicant
and
on
their
submission,
that'll
be
forthcoming
after
this
meeting.
C
So
I
think,
given
that
we're
not
really
able
to
indicate
you
know,
support
for
the
application
as
of
yet
one
way
or
the
other,
obviously
per
usual.
The
details
of
that
will
be
forthcoming
in
the
comprehensive
report,
once
we've
had
a
chance
to
undergo
the
technical
review
process
and
determine
whether
this
application
does
meet
the
intent
of
the
official
plan
and
the
zoning
bylaw
and
is
ultimately
good
land
use
planning.
G
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
councillor
hutchinson's
comments
about
gas
stations
if
we
achieve
or
come
anywhere
near,
achieving
the
targets
we've
set
for
ourselves
for
getting
away
from
fossil
fuels,
the
there
will
be
stranded
assets,
and
so
it's
really
difficult
to
rationalize
a
gas
station
in
an
area
that
already
has
gas
stations
if
we're
truly
going
to
be
reaching
out
for
for
that
is,
is
the
gas
station?
G
Is
that
a
done
deal?
Can
you
achieve
development
within
that
site
without
the
gas
station?
If
it
comes
to
that.
D
Thank
you,
and
through
the
chair
I
think
the
applicant
would
say
it's
almost
a
done
deal
in
the
sense
that
they
do
have
a
particular
gas
station
tenant
who
has
indicated
interest
in
locating
on
this
site.
So
there
is
interest
there,
there's.
G
Yeah
the
difficulty
may
be
that,
given
the
priorities
set
by
the
city,
it
might
not
be
a
done
deal
for
the
city.
The
other
question
I
have
is:
is
this
a
development
that
will
require
any
kind
of
site
plan
on
it?
G
Will
there
indeed
be
a
site
plan
discussion
in
the
comprehensive
report.
G
G
I
thought
I
heard
a
little
bit
of
hesitancy
about
the
idea
of
charging
stations
and
again
that
is
given
our
priorities.
When
this
comes
to
comprehensive
for
approval.
G
Do
you
anticipate
that
there
will
be
considerations
such
as
green
roof
or
or
charging
stations.
D
I
think
it's
certainly
something
I
can
take
back
and
see
if,
if
there's
an
appetite
to
commit
to
that
at
this
point,
I
think
the
challenge
is
not
knowing
fully
who
the
prospective
tenants
will
be
of
this,
of
this
development
will
be
a
challenge,
but
we'll
take
that
back
and
and
provide
that
in
response
for
yours
and
staff's
review
prior
to
the
comprehensive.
G
I'll
get
an
appetite
to
approve
the
comprehensive
I'll
be
looking
for
for
charging
stations
at
that
location.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
The
elusive
mute
button
always
seems
to
get
me
whatever
one
of
these
meetings
anyways.
I
have
a
couple
of
comments,
questions
with
respect
to
the
access
points.
I
notice
it's
coming
off,
creek
for
road
and
there's
another
back
access
that
would
allow
you
to
get
out
to
the
offices
through
the
neighboring
property,
with
the
city
of
kingston,
which
makes
sense
with
creekford
roads
redevelopment
coming.
H
Will
there
be
a
concrete
barrier
preventing
that
access,
or
is
that
being
contemplated
that
it's
going
to
be
on
the
barrier
and
allow
access
from
creek
ford
road?
So
that's
the
one
question.
The
second
question
is
initially.
When
I
thought
about
this
project,
I
would
have
thought
that
an
access
point
coming
off
of
gardner's
road
would
make
sense
because
they
have
the
lights
and
they're
supposed
to
slow
down
to
a
slower
speed.
So
I'm
wondering
whatever
happened
to
that
proposal.
H
If
they
were
able
to
work
something
out
with
ministry
transportation,
because
they
own
that
intersection,
basically
at
creekford
road
and
gardeners,
and
then
the
other
comment
was
actually
I
actually
looked
at
this
proposal
and
as
the
counselor
from
this
district
actually
thought,
it
made
a
lot
of
sense
having
the
the
the
office
spaces
for
like
2
000
square
feet.
You
know
I
I
did
like
the
two-story
building
and
I
thought
they
have
a
complimentary
gas
station
with
the
convenience
store
would
service
that
entire
market.
H
But
I
thought
it
made
sense
as
a
proposal,
because
it
is
quite
difficult
and
challenging
for
a
resident
to
cut
across
that
corner
at
that
busy
intersection.
So
if
they
needed
something
like
a
fast
food
type
opportunity
for
for
dining
or
for
a
packaged
sandwich
or
snack
to
me,
it
made
sense.
So
I'm
really
just
perplexed
with
some
of
my
fellow
colleagues
comments
tonight
and
if
you're
talking
about
stranded
assets,
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
larger
conversation
about
the
stranded
assets
of
kingston
utilities,
gas
problems.
H
Just
using
their
own
words,
I'm
just
using
their
own
words,
so
that
that's
my
comment.
So
those
those
are
the
access
points
I'm
concerned
about,
and
then
you
know
it's
it's
right
now,
it's
a
vacant
property
that
it's
good
for
redevelopment.
So
that's
my
perspective.
D
Thank
you,
counselor,
chappelle
and
through
you
if
the
clerk
would
be
so
kind
as
to
pull
up
slide.
Four
again,
please.
D
D
After
improvements
to
creekford
road
are
completed
which
are
planned
to
happen,
so
the
one
the
main
entrance,
which
is
located
right
off
of
creekford
road
kind
of
central
to
the
site,
would
be
a
write-in
right
out
only
in
this
location,
and
then
you
can
see
the
the
drive
the
north
most
drive,
aisle
that
goes
east
west.
C
D
Can
see
an
opening
to
the
west,
that's
the
entrance
through
to
the
city
owned
lands
and
then
that
connects
to
a
full-turn
entry
exit
onto
creekford
road
so
that
that
would
continue
even
after
improvement.
So
there's
a
pretty
significant
widening,
that's
considered
for
creek
ford
road
that
would
facilitate
additional
turning
lanes
at
garner
and
creekford,
as
well
as
probably
the
introduction
of
a
new
dedicated
west
left
turning
lane
into
the
existing
city-owned
lands
entrance.
So
that
would
all
sort
of
stay
stay
the
same
even
after
the
improvements
are
expected.
D
I
do
know
even
you
can
see
on
that
plan
where
the
on
the
right
hand
side
where
it
says
midland
where
it's
it.
The
road
is,
has
been
contemplated
to
come
straight
through
and
give
this
site
frontage
on
midland,
I'm
not
sure
the
status
of
the
you
know
any
changes
to
that.
But
currently
that's
continues
to
be
an
unopened
road
allowance
and
the
sites.
D
You
know
access
and
entrance
isn't
contingent
on
that
opening
up,
but
if
it
did,
it
would
provide
further
further
access
points
to
this
site
in
the
future.
H
No,
I
my
one
question
I
did
have
has
already
been
answered:
notice,
there's
a
trend
with
the
gas
stations
also
including
electrical
charging
stations
as
that
transitions
into
that
a
new
way,
and
I
was
satisfied
with
the
response
from
the
applicant
so
that
that's
fine,
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
they'll
contemplate
some
charging
stations.
I
Thank
you
chair.
My
question
is
actually
just
a
process
question
I'm
trying
to
understand
if,
where
the
kind
of
the
business
plan
discussions
sort
of
fit
into
the
land
use
planning,
my
understanding
was
that
that
the
you
know
the
business
plan
was
sort
of
up
to
the
up
to
the
proponent,
whether
it's
successful
or
not,
is
sort
of
on
them
and
our
our
discussions
were
to
be
around
land
use
and
I'm
just
not
sure
where
the
overlap
might
be
at.
So
I'm
just
looking
for
clarification
around
that.
I
C
Certainly
through
you,
mr
chair,
I
can
jump
in
and
then,
if
my
colleagues,
mr
barr
mr
park,
have
anything
to
add,
I
would
welcome
them
to
do
so.
I
think,
obviously,
with
any
planning
application,
we're
looking
at
it
in
the
context
of
provincial
policy,
as
well
as
our
municipal
policies
in
the
official
plan
and
in
the
zoning
by-law,
and
so
we're
looking
at
compatibility
of
the
proposal
in
terms
of
the
context
surrounding
it.
C
Viability
of
a
development
is
important,
but
I
think
ultimately,
the
the
way
that
the
official
plan
would
look
at.
It
would
be
more
so
in
terms
of
a
compatibility
lens,
as
opposed
to
the
way
in
which
the
financial
pro
forma
ultimately
lends
itself.
But
I
see
mr
park
has
put
his
camera
on.
J
Is
entirely
true,
one
other
way
to
sort
of
look
at
it
is
I
mean
we
can't
really
predetermine
the
applicant's
business
plan
for
them
much
the
same
way
if
a
if
it
was
a
residential
development,
we
can't
tell
them
it
has
to
be
a
condominium
10-year
versus
a
ramble.
That's
a
business
decision
by
the
the
applicant,
so
we
really,
as
mrs
robichal
is
online.
J
We
we
are
looking
at
the
proposed
application,
based
on
its
compatibility
with
provincial
policy
statement,
the
official
plan
policies
and
then
the
fit
of
the
zoning
of
what's
being
proposed.
I
So
so,
in
this
case,
like
we're
talking
about
a
gas
station,
so
you
know
the
the
use
of
the
land
for
the
purpose
of
of
putting
a
gas
station
there,
as
opposed
to
say
putting
some
other
kind
of
business
there.
Is
that
something
that
we
discuss
and
like?
Is
that
something
that's
up
for
discussion
or
or
part
of
the
consideration?
I
guess
of
of
approval
for
the
for
this
land
particular
land
use.
You
see
what
I
mean.
J
J
Yeah
yeah
sure
through
you,
mr
yes,
that
is
part
of
the
consideration
in
this
proposal.
Okay,
thank
you.
G
G
You
I
I
guess
in
reference
to
counselor
hill's
point,
we
also
have
established
goals
that
are
part
of
our
municipal
polls,
and
that
includes
moving
with
set
targets
towards
reducing
our
dependence
on
on
fossil
fuels.
C
No
problem,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
as
is
the
case
with
all
planning
applications
before
the
city.
The
official
plan
does
require
proponents
to
demonstrate
how
that
proposal
will
prepare
for
the
impacts
of
a
changing
climate,
and
so
that
is
something
that
we'll
be
looking
for
through
technical
review
of
this
application.
It'll
be
something
that
we'll
be
looking
within.
The
submitted
planning
justification
report
to
be
demonstrated.
F
I
don't
meet
myself
twice
the
okay.
I
just
want
to
make
clear
that,
like
what
councilman
stan-
and
I
were
talking
about-
it's
not
just
about
gas
stations-
I
believe
she
just
used
it
as
an
example
and
which
sticks
out
in
this
application.
F
The
I
just
and
I
want
staff
to
look
at
this
carefully.
I
mean
what
is
the
relationship
like
we
just
talked
about
the
relationship
of
our
climate
change
policies
to
the
official
plan
into
applications
of
this
sort
and
in
the
future.
F
So-
and
I
think
people
find
that
surprising,
but
there
are
other
cities
our
size,
they
don't
have
this.
This
is
considered
an
imbalance,
so
I
wanna
my
question
to
staff.
Is
this?
What
is
the
relationship
between
those
policies
around
and
those
the
studies
done?
I
can't
remember
the
name
of
that
commercial
study
if
you've
got
that
at
the
top
of
your
head,
that
would
be
useful,
the
and
any
determinations
to
be
done
about
the
official
plan
designation
and
the
zoning
which,
of
course,
this
boils
down
to
eventually.
J
Three,
mr
chair,
I
just
want
to
to-
maybe
you
know,
go
over
sort
of
the
the
intention
of
tonight's
meeting.
It
is
a
public
meeting
and
the
intention
behind
the
public
meeting
is
for
the
applicant
to
present
the
proposal
declining
committee
as
well
as
the
public
and
the
function
of
this
meeting
is
then
to
feedback
and
comments
such
as
the
ones
that
we
are
hearing.
Now.
Staff
are
hearing
them,
they
are
recording
them
and
they
will
be
addressed
in
the
comprehensive
report
when
it
comes
back
to
committee.
J
At
this
point
in
time
for
staff
to
actually
formulate
an
opinion,
not
having
the
benefit
of
having
a
the
technical
review
of
this
application
would
be
premature
at
this
time.
So
I'm
going
to
reserve
giving
any
response
at
this
point
in
time
and
say
these
questions
that
are
being
raised
will
be
addressed
in
the
comprehensive
report
when
it
is
brought
back
to
committee.
Thank
you.
F
So
the
answer
may
be
exactly
the
same,
but
I
was
I
was
asking
for
a
more
technical,
technical
response
of
how
those
commercial
land
policies
and
council's
approach
to
those
and
cities
to
those
things
impacts.
F
J
And
fair
question:
counselor
hutchinson,
these
policies,
if
you
know
when
the
city
reviews
the
application,
the
applicable
policies
within
the
official
plan,
the
application
is
reviewed
against
them
and
there
is
a
preliminary
list
of
the
op
policies
and
provincial
policies
packed
through
the
report,
which
are
reviewed
in
consideration
of
the
application.
F
B
G
Just
a
very
quick
question
that
I
overlooked
asking
before,
if
you've
heard
tonight
the
reality
that
we
have
surplus
commercial
space,
we
don't
have
enough
residential.
I'm
wondering
if
the
proponent
would
be
willing
to
expand
the
envelope
for
the
office
space
by
adding
taking
away
a
floor
and
adding
a
couple
of
floors
for
residential.
B
H
You
can
make
it
so.
My
question
is
my
question.
Then
mr
chair
is
why
does
this
committee
seem
incumbent
to
question
a
proposal
brought
forward
on
its
merits
rather
than
the
policy
arguments
of
climate
change?
I
I
don't
understand
that.
That's
just
my
question.
J
And
through
you,
mr
chair
counselorship,
hallway,
I
would
ask
if
you
repeat
the
question:
please
sorry.
B
B
B
A
Mr
chair,
I
don't
see
any
hands
just
at
this
time,
but
we'll
do
one
final
call.
If
there
are
any
members
of
the
public
who
would
like
to
speak,
ask
questions
provide
comment
to
the
application
on
the
floor.
If
you
could,
please
raise
your
hand
in
zoom,
and
this
is
located
in
the
center
of
your
screen
when
you
move
the
mouse
over
the
window,.
B
E
B
B
B
Oh,
my
apologies.
Thank
you.
So
I
take
that
back
and
we'll
continue
going.
There
are
no
minutes,
so
are
there
any
disclosures
of
pecuniary
interests?
Seeing
none?
No
delegations
no
briefings
no
business,
no
motions,
no
notices
of
motion
as
long
as
I'm
not
seeing
any
hands
flying
in
the
air,
nope
alrighty
other
business.
None.
B
There
is
some
correspondence,
that's
noted
in
the
agenda
and
was
received
in
your
package
so
with
that
I'll
say
that
the
date
of
the
next
meeting
is
february
3rd
at
6,
00
pm,
and
look
for
a
mover
and
seconder
to
adjourn
monster,
hill
and
counselor
neil
all
those
in
favor,
very
good
thanks
very
much,
and
we
will
see
you
soon
stay
warm.