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Planning Committee Meeting from December 15, 2022. For full agenda details visit https://bit.ly/3FXJJqv
A
A
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are
calling
this
meeting
to
order
the
meeting
being
held
tonight.
Our
public
meetings
held
under
the
planning
act,
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of
collection,
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information
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result
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meeting,
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authority
of
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planning
act
and
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be
used
to
assist
in
making
a
decision
on
the
matter.
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speaking
at
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meeting
are
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minutes,
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names
addresses
opinions.
Comments
may
be
collected
and
may
form
part
of
the
minutes
which
will
be
available
to
the
public.
A
Additionally,
interested
members
of
the
public
can
email
the
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Clerk
or
the
assigned
planner
if
they
wish
to
be
notified.
Regarding
a
particular
application,
questions
regarding
this
collection
should
be
forwarded
to
the
director
of
planning
services
public
meeting
reports.
The
first
portion
of
tonight's
meeting
is
to
present
planning
applications
in
a
public
forum
as
detailed
in
the
public
meeting
reports.
A
These
reports
do
not
contain
a
staff
recommendation
and
therefore
no
decisions
will
be
made
this
evening
following
presentations
by
the
applicant.
The
meeting
will
be
open
to
the
public
for
comments
and
questions
comprehensive
reports.
The
second
portion
of
tonight's
meeting
is
there
isn't
any
tonight
okay,
so
we
can
skip
that
following
Council
decision
notice
will
be
circulated
in
accordance
with
the
planning
act
if
a
person
or
public
body
would
otherwise
have
an
ability
to
appeal.
A
The
decision
of
the
Council
of
the
corporation
of
the
city
of
Kingston
to
the
Ontario
land
tribunal,
but
the
person
or
public
body
does
not
make
an
oral
submission
at
a
public
meeting
or
make
written
submission
to
the
city
of
Kingston
before
the
bylaw
is
passed.
A
person
or
public
body
is
not
entitled
to
appeal.
The
decision
with
that.
We
are
going
to
look
today
at
file
number
d35006,
2022,
760,
Highway
15.
B
C
B
B
B
So
here's
the
site-
it's
located
on
Canberra,
15
or
Highway
15.
I've,
seen
them
used
interchangeably,
also
Kingston
Road
15..
The
official
plan
designation
is
currently
our
c-1-7.
It's
a
site-specific
designation.
It's
currently
within
The,
General
commercial,
Zone,
site-specific
C5
to
the
north
of
the
site
is
an
open
space
known
as
100
foot
Park
to
the
South
is
a
neighborhood
commercial
use
known
as
berryfield
car
wash
to
the
East
and
institutional
use.
They're
labeled,
as
LaSalle
Secondary
School
and
to
the
West,
is
a
medium
density.
Residential
development.
There
are
a
series
of
town
homes.
B
B
The
plan
or
the
site
plan
So,
currently
the
site
features
a
multi-unit
Plaza
with
a
gas
station.
The
gas
bar,
if
you
will,
is
a
detached
structure
located
in
the
northeast
corner
of
the
site.
We've
rotated
the
plan
so
bear
with
me
and
I-
will
assist
in
answering
any
questions
on
that.
So,
as
we
have
rotated,
the
plan
so
North
is
to
the
left.
East
is
to
the
or
at
the
top.
South
is
to
the
right
and
West
is
at
the
bottom,
just
to
orient
to
everybody.
B
We
do
have
a
North
Arrow
there
on
the
slide
to
provide
further
assistance.
Currently,
there
are
13
uses
on
the
site
that
does
include
the
existing
gas
station.
The
main
items
that
currently
do
not
conform
to
the
zoning
bylaw
is
there's
a
medley.
Court
entrance
is
quite
wide.
It
takes
up
nearly
the
entire
Frontage
of
that
lot
line
and
that
there
is
no
Landscaping
strip
in
a
couple
of
locations,
specifically
the
West.
B
Just
to
back
up
a
second,
the
plaza
has
existed
for
decades.
I
do
most
important
to
note
on
to
the
plan,
though
the
proposed
changes.
Again,
we
are
proposing
a
new
car
wash
automatic
automatic
car
wash
with
that.
It's
instigated
a
new
parking
plan
for
the
site,
we'll
be
providing
new
planting
strips
simple
leverage,
plantings
there'll
be
new,
dedicated
loading
areas.
B
We
have
also
provided
a
road
widening
and
site
triangle
that
will
be
conveyed
to
the
city
of
Kingston,
we'll
be
improving,
The
Pedestrian
safety
to
the
site.
By
proposing
a
new
Crossing,
it
will
be
a
painted
Crossing
to
connect
the
walkway
in
front
of
the
plaza
to
the
transit
stop,
which
is
located
along
at
the
north
entrance
off
Highway
15.
B
B
As
I
said,
I
commenced
work
on
this
project.
In
2019
there
was
a
an
older
concept
that
had
started
the
project
before
my
involvement,
but
since
we
conducted
a
site
visit
redid
the
site
plan
with
their
topographic
survey,
we
then
came
to
the
city
of
Kingston
to
pre-consult
and
new
pre-consultation
or
pre-application
report
was
issued
in
February
2021
from
there
we
prepared
a
number
of
studies
and
plans.
B
Commercial
market
assessment
was
completed
in
February
2022,
the
landscape
plan,
March
2022
noise
feasibility
in
May,
2022
storm
water
and
serviceability
Report
was
completed
in
June
and
finally
planning
justification
report
in
August
and
the
site
plan
was
finalized
in
September.
When
the
official
plan
Amendment
rezoning
and
site
plan
applications
were
filed,
the
applications
routine
completes
October,
5th
2022.
next
slide.
Please.
B
B
We
did
separate
them
as
best
we
could.
There
were.
There
was
some
repetitions,
so
I
I
I,
hope
that
things
will
flow
nicely,
so
there's
fuel
tanks
to
be
removed.
No
the
fuel
tanks
are
to
remain.
The
car
wash
will
be
adjacent
to
those
there's.
A
question
about
this
planting
strip:
size
reduction,
as
I
said
before,
there's
currently
no
landscape
strips
on
the
property,
the
zoning
bylaw
does
require
them.
B
There's
also
a
question
about
the
changes
to
the
fencing
to
the
north
and
east
edges
of
the
property.
The
fencing
will
be
replaced
with
an
acoustic
barrier
on
the
west
property
line.
Only
the
north
and
east
property
lines
are
medley
court
and
Highway
15,
where
no
fencing
is
proposed.
So
I
guess
maybe
that's
just
more
clarity.
B
B
B
B
B
There's
a
question
about
the
access
to
the
existing
washroom
at
the
North
End
of
the
building.
There
will
be
interior
renovations
to
the
convenience
store
to
allow
access
to
the
to
the
washroom
from
the
inside
of
the
store,
and
just
to
finish,
this
slide
there's
a
question.
If
parking
spaces
will
be
lost,
the
answer
is
essentially
no.
B
We
have
a
redistribution
of
parking
spaces
through
the
site,
specifically
the
gas
station
and
the
drive-through
and
the
site
meets
the
existing
minimum
standard
of
90
spaces
in
the
Pittsburgh
Township
official
plan
or
sorry
zoning
bylaw.
So
we
have
met
that
threshold
and
there
is
a
new
zoning
bylaw
which
we'll
touch
on
in
a
moment.
B
B
B
There's
a
comment
about
the
car
wash
and
affecting
the
streetscape
or
the
visual
clutter
of
medley
Court.
The
car
wash
will
include
glazing
and
will
also
involve
activity
that
will
animate
medley
Court.
The
car
wash
is
seen
as
a
catalyst
for
the
rehabilitation
of
that
streetscape,
which
I'll
also
review
later
in
the
presentation
with
the
landscape
plan.
B
B
B
This
is
the
last
slide
for
the
public
comments
that
have
been
received
to
date,
so
tree
plantings
along
the
west
will
call
shadowing
to
the
properties.
In
effect,
the
fence.
The
landscape
plan
was
prepared
by
an
Ola
or
Ontario
landscape,
architect
and
the
plan
condition.
Planting
conditions
were
carefully
considered
during
the
design
process
is
important
to
note,
which
I'll
show
you
in
just
a
moment
that
existing
mature
hedging
exists
on
the
residential
side
of
the
West
property
line.
B
There's
a
comment
about
there's
already
a
car
wash
nearby.
That
is
correct.
We
did
it,
we
did
do
a
commercial
market
assessment
and
it
was
determined
within
what's
called
a
trade
area
that
essentially,
the
Eastern
portion
of
the
city
is
under
serviced
by
car
washes,
and
it
was
also
confirmed
by
the
commercial
market
assessment
that
clustering
is
is
very
common
or
typical
of
similar
uses.
B
Moving
along
there's
a
lot
of
questions
actually
about
deliveries
and
circulation
within
the
site,
so
the
large
vehicle
delivery
route
will
continue
from
medley
court
and
exit
out
to
the
South
Highway
15
entrance.
That's
the
current
route
for
large
Vehicles
today,
and
that
will
continue
garbage
and
other
delivery
trucks.
Essentially
smaller
vehicles
are,
will
be
encouraged
to
utilize
the
dedicated
loading
area
that
has
been
provided
at
the
southwest
corner
of
the
property
to
the
rear
and
will
circulate
and
exit
to
the
exit,
only
access
traffic
movements
and
turns
from
Highway
15..
B
We
understand
there's
no
reported
issues
that
the
Curves
in
the
Turning
radio
are
sufficient.
The
entrances
are
are
wide
at
approximately
13.7
meters
from
Highway
15,
which
is
and
again
the
field
trucks
do
exit
from
at
the
courts
at
the
North
travel
underneath
the
canopy
currently
and
exit
through
the
South
entrance.
B
The
garbage
access
has
been
rotated,
90
degrees
and
currently
the
garbage
we
understand
the
truck
would
enter
the
site
from
the
north,
from
medley
Court
travel
South
to
the
garbage,
receptacle
and
exits
onto
Highway
15..
So
the
proposal
will
in
fact,
actually
reverse
that
flow,
so
that
it
will.
The
garbage
truck
will
then
need
to
come
in
from
Highway
15
and
then
exit
onto
medley
Court
out
to
the
lighted
intersection
next
slide.
Please
so
I
do
want
to
quickly
review.
B
We
have
done
technical
studies
to
support
the
submissions
first
off
and
probably
most
importantly,
the
noise
feasibility
study,
the
consultant
HCC
engineering
conducted
site
visits
in
October
2021,
their
methods
and
sound
level
criteria
are
from
the
ministry
of
environment,
conservation
and
parks,
and
they
do
follow
the
npc-300
guideline
for
stationary
Transportation
sources.
The
analysis
was
based
upon
following
which
is
they
predicted
the
worst
case
hour
of
operation.
B
They
confirmed
that
there'll
be
one
car
at
a
time
through
the
car
wash
the
entrance
door
will
be
open
only
for
20
seconds.
On
average,
the
exit
will
be
open
for,
on
average,
a
minute
for
the
dryer
operations
and
that
they
confirmed
that
the
car
wash
noise
will
be
within
the
mecp
recommended
guidelines
with
mitigation
measures.
A
measure
of
a
three
meter
acoustic
barrier
along
the
west
property
line
photo
you
see,
is
was
taken
on
site
of
the
West
property
line.
B
B
Assessment
that
was
done
and
that
all
the
uses
that
were
affected
were
were
assessed.
So
that's
that
image
from
that
report
next
slide.
Please
storm
water
management,
serviceability,
there's
existing
water
mains
along
medley
courts
and
existing
laterals,
50
millimeter,
lateral
for
water
main
sanitary
main
is
150,
millimeters
and
and
the
main
lines
were
also
confirmed.
200
millimeters
for
each
a
Misa
manholes
to
be
installed
north
of
the
car,
wash
addition
to
the
plaza
so,
basically,
between
the
car
wash
and
the
medley
Court
Street
line.
B
The
report
did
confirm
the
the
there
is
adequate
hydraulic,
Downstream
sanitary
capacities
and
regarding
such
drainage.
The
proposed
development
there'll
be
no
change
to
the
existing
runoff
Direction
and
that,
in
fact,
there
will
be
an
increase
in
grass
in
landscape
area
which
will
reduce
the
current
runoff
from
the
site.
Next
slide,
please,
as
I
mentioned
previously,
there's
been
a
commercial
market
assessment
that
was
done
for
the
site.
B
So
there's
three
gas
stations
currently
there
they
are
located
on
this
figure,
there's
an
another.
So
there's
a
shell
and
and
the
current
existing
gas
station
on
the
site.
There's
one
Independent
Car
Wash
as
I
mentioned
before
it,
but
so
there
are
no
other
gas
station
or
Car
Wash
proposals
at
this
time
that
we
were
at
the
writing
of
the
report.
At
the
very
least
that
exists
within
the
the
trade
area.
B
It
was
confirmed
through
the
commercial
market
assessment
that
the
trade
area
is
currently
under
serviced.
There's
approximately
11
900
persons
per
car,
wash
that
are
the
the
one
existing
car
wash
in
the
trade
area
that
a
bus
to
the
South,
which
is
approximately
double
the
average
for
the
rest
of
the
city,
which
averages
about
6
900
persons
per
car,
wash
of
the
32
operating
gas
stations
over
the
city.
B
B
Briefly,
with
respect
to
the
official
plan,
I
came
into
effect
in
2010,
as
I
mentioned
previously.
There's
a
site-specific
policy,
the
rc-1-7
now
that
currently
applies
to
the
property.
The
Amendments
that
has
been
requested
is
consistent
with
PPS
policies
or
prevention
policies
regarding
the
efficient
compact
development
within
an
urban
service
area
and
that
there's
an
appropriate
mix
of
uses.
The
proposal
is
also
consistent
with
the
PPS
land
use
compatibility
policies.
B
The
amendment
generally
conforms
the
economic
developments,
neighborhood
commercial
Rideau,
Community,
secondary
plan,
commercial
and
Urban
Design
policies
of
the
city
of
Kingston
official
plan
and,
as
I
mentioned
before,
there's
a
series
of
technical
studies
that
have
been
prepared
in
support
of
the
applications
that
have
been
prepared
by
qualified
Engineers,
Professional,
Engineers,
professional
and
Professional,
Land
economists
and
and,
of
course,
professional
registered
planner
next
slide.
Please.
B
Thank
you.
So
there
is
a
new,
comprehensive
bylaw
that
did
come
into
effect
in
the
spring.
The
site
is
originally
assessed
under
the
Township
of
Pittsburgh.
Zoning
bylaw
is
requested
to
bring
the
site
into
Conformity
with
the
new
zoning
bylaw,
which
requires
to
add
a
new
car
wash
used
to
the
property.
It's
important
to
note
that
the
requested
neighborhood
commercial
Zone
does
permit
a
convenience
store
and
gas
station
amongst
a
number
of
other
retail
restaurants
and
other
those
types
of
uses.
B
B
As
I
mentioned
before,
it's
essentially
understood
that
the
addition
of
the
car
wash
will
act
as
a
catalyst
for
new
parking
and
Landscape
plants
next
slide.
Please,
so
you
may
not
be
able
to
read
this
too
well,
but
I.
Just
we
did
prepare
a
detailed
chart
doing
a
detailed
assessment
of
not
only
the
CN,
Provisions
and
you'll
see
on
the
next
slide
as
well,
but
we
also
did
look
at
the
gas
station
Provisions
as
well
in
the
new
zoning
by
law.
B
So
the
requested
amendments
are
bolded
and
highlighted
in
the
light
gray
color,
so
there's
a
a
maximum
per
per
growth
floor
area
per
use.
So
due
to
the
nature
of
a
plaza,
you
know
that
can
shift
over
time.
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
site
could
remain
Dynamic
and
accommodate
future
changes
in
in
market
conditions
and
and
tenants
to
the
property.
B
B
So
here's
the
remainder
there's
a
series
of
parking
Provisions
that
are
requested.
It
is
important
to
note
that
the
plan
was
prepared
and
submitted
under
the
the
townships
with
Pittsburgh
zoning
bylaw.
So
the
provisions
we're
requesting
are
from
the
township
of
Pittsburgh
zoning
bylaw,
with
a
couple
of
minor
exceptions
such
as
the
30
degree
parking
angle,
which
doesn't
exist
in
the
new
zoning
bylaw.
So
we
were
bringing
that
forward
again
about
the
maximum
parking
spaces.
B
We
wanted
to
recognize
the
existing
driveway
widths
again,
the
13.7,
that's
the
existing
driveway
width
that
currently
exists.
So
we
designed
the
plan
to
go
no
bigger
than
that
and
again
I
mentioned
earlier
about
the
exterior
side
yards
and
there's
a
scientific
request
for
the
planting
strip.
We
did
note
in
there's
quite
a
few
there's
little
asterisks
for
existing
conditions,
there's
quite
a
few
existing
conditions,
so
those
have
been
noted
as
well.
Next
slide,
please.
B
We
wanted
to
bring
forward
some
visual
screening
and
definitely
make
sure
that
we
exceeded
the
minimum
10
percent
landscape,
Open
Cities
requirement.
So
there's
a
lot
of
new
Shrubbery
and
tree
plantings
proposed
new
planting
strips
along
the
highway
15
medley
court
and
West
property
line,
and
we
have
a
new
focal
focal
point
Garden
at
the
corner.
B
So,
just
to
sum
up
some
of
the
Salient
planning
points.
Numerous
studies
were
have
been
required
and
have
been
prepared
by
qualified
professionals.
It
was
confirmed
that
the
area
is
currently
under
service
by
car
washes
and
that
demand
for
a
new
car
wash
is
reinforced
by
the
population
growth
projections
to
2034.
B
We
have
a
new
parking
and
Landscape
plan,
as
I
mentioned
just
mentioned,
there's
over
two
times
the
minimum
landscape
open
space
beyond
the
requirement,
a
new
acoustic
barrier
is
to
be
provided,
we've
confirmed
adequate
Downstream
sanitary
capacity,
we
filed
efficient
plan,
Amendment
zoning,
violent
Amendment
site
line
control
applications
and,
finally,
the
request
approvals
are
consistent
with
the
provincial
policies
and
generally
conform
to
the
city's
fish
plant
I'm
here
to
assist
in
answering
any
questions
the
committee
may
have.
Thank
you.
D
Good
evening,
everyone
and
through
you
Mr,
chair
notice,
was
given
in
accordance
with
the
planning
act
as
detailed
in
the
public
meeting
report.
We
have
received
42
pieces
of
written
correspondence
by
regular
mail
and
email.
30
of
those
comments
have
been
included
in
the
agenda.
An
additional
11
comments
were
included
in
an
addendum
one.
More
comment
was
received
after
posting
of
the
addendum
and
that
was
sent
to
committee
members
by
email.
D
The
purpose
of
the
public
meeting
is
for
the
applicant
to
present
their
proposal
to
the
public
and
to
planning
committee
and
for
the
applicant
to
answer.
Questions
from
committee
and
members
of
the
public
staff
have
have
prepared
a
public
meeting
report.
Summarizing
The
Proposal
feedback
received
this
evening
will
be
addressed
by
planning
staff
within
a
future
comprehensive
report.
Once
technical
review
of
the
application
is
complete
and
once
staff
are
ready
to
make
a
recommendation.
A
Thank
you
now,
we'll
move
to
the
members
of
the
public,
making
questions
there
are
two
microphones
located
to
my
right
and
to
my
left.
I
would
ask
that
anybody
who
wishes
to
make
a
comment
or
question
or
ask
a
question:
please
give
their
name
and
address
for
the
minutes
and
all
questions
will
be
asked
in
succession
and
the
applicant
will
have
the
opportunity
to
answer
them
all
at
once.
Councilor
boom,
you
have
a
con.
You
have
a
question.
F
Thank
you
and
good
evening.
My
name
is
Hamish
Taylor
I
live
at
number
61
100
medley
Court.
Thank
you
for
offering
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
today.
We
have
three
speakers
talking
to
this
proposal.
Now
I
live
in
Rideau
Village.
It's
a
group
of
40
homes
just
to
the
west
of
the
proposed
development
medley
court
is
the
only
route
in
and
out
of
the
village.
My
principal
concern
is
pedestrian
safety.
F
There's
three
things
involved
here:
I
think
the
lack
of
sidewalks,
the
volume
of
pedestrian
traffic
and
the
multiple
directions
of
vehicle
movement.
It's
a
complicated
site
and
I'll
try
to
describe
it
as
best
I
can,
but
I
would
encourage
you
if
you're
not
familiar
with
the
issues
on
the
ground,
to
visit
the
site
in
person
to
see
what
it
looks
like,
especially
during
school
lunches
or
School
opening
and
closing
times.
F
First,
the
lack
of
sidewalks
there's
no
sidewalk
along
most
of
medley
court
at
all.
There's
about
40
feet
on
the
South
side
at
the
end
short
from
the
entrance
of
the
gas
pump,
so
Highway
15
and
there's
no
pedestrian
passage
on
the
North
either.
The
100
foot
Park
fences
too
close
to
permit
pedestrians
to
walk
along
that
side
of
the
street.
F
Second,
is
the
volume
of
foot
traffic
many
residents
walk
to
and
from
the
village
along
the
street
for
exercise
dog,
walking,
shopping
and
Banking,
and
so
on
or
visiting
the
park
which
has
just
been
refurbished.
Thank
you
to
the
city
students
from
LaSalle
High
School
across
to
the
south
side
of
Highway
15
to
access
the
mall
to
visit
the
park.
F
Thirdly,
the
vehicle
traffic
is
quite
complicated,
no
matter
no
matter
what
side
of
bed
record
they're
walking
on
and
neither
side
has
much
if
any
protection
from
Vehicles
pedestrians
walking
along
the
north
side
of
Bentley
Court
have
to
walk
in
the
street.
There's
no
choice:
pedestrians
on
the
South
Side
must
walk
in
the
street.
First
then
cross
the
entrance
of
the
strip
mall
and
gas
pumps
and
the
back
alley
of
the
strip
mall
until
they
get
to
the
small
sidewalk
just
before
highway
15.
F
on
the
south
side
of
Bentley
Court
cars
and
delivery
trucks
already
enter
or
wrecks
the
gas
pump
strip
bowling
back
alley
at
different
points.
Vehicles
exiting
this
side
are
usually
turning
right
on
the
medley
Court
in
order
to
go
north
or
south
on
highway
15..
This
proposal
makes
the
situation
for
walkers
on
the
south
side
of
medichord
even
worse.
F
F
You'll
see
that
a
driver
wouldn't
see
a
pedestrian
until
the
vehicle's
already
entered
the
street
we've
seen
that
many
drivers
don't
seem
to
recognize
that
there
could
be
to
a
one
or
two-way
traffic
on
the
street
from
Rito
Village,
given
the
distractions
of
two-way
traffic
on
the
street
and
the
additional
obstructed
view
of
traffic
on
the
right
because
of
the
car
wash
and
Landscaping.
This
is
a
perilous
situation
for
pedestrians.
At
this
point,
the
second
problem,
the
position
of
the
car
wash
and
Landscaping,
will
force
pedestrians
to
walk
virtually
on
the
street
itself.
F
There's
no
protection
curb
or
other
barrier
to
separate
vehicles
from
pedestrians
and,
frankly,
a
painted
crosswalk
won't
cut
it
third
problem
is
walkers
from
the
village,
then
have
to
cross
the
exit
path
from
the
car
wash
given
the
orientation
of
the
path.
As
you
could
see,
from
the
site
plan
you
just
saw.
The
cars
are
pointed
out
on
medley
Court
to
get
to
highway
15..
The
driver's
view
of
pedestrians
coming
from
their
left
is
totally
obscure.
The
angle
is
wrong.
F
Again.
Many
drivers
don't
seem
to
recognize
battery
Court
as
a
two-way
street.
It's
no
better
for
pedestrians,
who
want
to
avoid
all
this
traffic
and
decide
to
walk
on
the
North
side.
Southbound
traffic
on
Highway
15
wishing
to
use
the
gas
bar
has
to
make
a
very
sharp
right
turn
at
medley
court
and
it's
quite
narrow
there,
as
you
can
see.
If
you
look
closely
at
the
site
plan,
given
the
number
of
driver
distractions
at
this
intersection,
it's
very
dangerous
for
pedestrians.
F
So
in
conclusion,
then,
as
already
noted
that
sometimes
today,
pedestrian
traffic
at
the
intersection
of
medley
court
and
Highway
58
15
is
intense
traffic
on
15,
often
so
to
speak,
runs
the
yellow
and
we
have
observed
quite
often
runs
the
red.
This
is
a
recipe
for
disaster
traffic
flow
in
and
out
of
the
gas
pumps
it
shut.
While
it's
complex
and
we
become
more
so
with
the
addition
of
a
car
wash
walking,
is
good
for
the
environment
and
good
for
health.
F
G
Indeed,
the
consultant
has
been
quite
Force
right
about
that.
That
is
both
a
drive
through
car
wash
and
a
self-serve
one
I
agree
with
Mr
Taylor's
comments
wholeheartedly
and
I
will
confine
my
concerns
to
traffic
and
traffic
safety.
I
have
four
points
that
I
think
you
need
to
consider.
When
you
look
at
this
proposal.
G
The
intersection
of
medley
court
and
Highway
15
is
already
a
contrasted
area
at
many
times
through
the
day.
As
you
all
know,
LaSalle
High
School
was
right
across
the
street
and
it's
become
even
a
greater
problem
in
the
morning
at
lunch
hour
and
at
the
end
of
the
school
day.
The
other
thing
is
that,
because
the
LaSalle
High
School
driveway
is
so
congested
with
cars
and
buses,
family
members
often
use
the
area
on
medley
Court
outside
the
gas
pumps
to
pick
up
family
members
and
drive
them
home
or
to
a
school
there.
G
Secondly,
there
is
already
a
very
busy
gas
station
at
that
location
and,
as
the
population
of
Kingston
East,
it
increases,
it
will
become
even
busier.
The
entrance
and
the
Actis
exit
from
this
gas
station
is
already
a
problem,
as
many
motorists
use
the
pump
area
to
enter
and
exit
the
mall
businesses.
G
G
G
The
traffic
flow
design
in
a
very
constrictive
space
in
front
of
and
behind
the
wall
will
be
a
network
a
nightmare.
If
this
proposal
is
is
approved,
all
it
will
take
is
one
car
or
truck
not
following
the
proposed
flow,
and
there
will
be
gridlock
in
the
front
parking
lot
behind
and
around
the
gas
pumps.
A
A
I
I
I
Are
you
aware
of
the
major
distance
and
height
of
the
plaza
tarmac
and
the
grass
area
on
medley
Road
roadway?
It
would
appear
to
be
almost
a
meter
with
respect
to
the
fence.
Foundation.
Are
you
aware
of
the
fact
that
after
the
first
two
meters
of
support,
the
next
long
portion
is
built
with
used
cement
blocks,
some
of
which
are
painted,
yellow
they're
easy
to
to
discern
and
that
this
might
be
contributing
to
the
fence
tilting
to
the
West?
I
If,
in
fact,
the
fence
is
going
to
be
rebuilt,
is
the
foundation
going
to
be
rebuilt
as
well
proposal
makes
reference
to
a
three
meter
noise
barrier
attached
to
the
fence?
Now,
maybe
that's
going
to
change
based
on
what
you've
said
tonight,
but
does
it
does
that
barrier
match
the
height
of
the
car
wash
building
in
the
dash
diagram,
the
drawing
references,
the
city
of
Brampton?
I
It
would
appear
on
the
site
plan
map
that
the
two
well
monitoring
caps
will
be
covered
by
the
floor
of
the
car
wash
building.
Well,
monitoring
is
an
important
aspect
in
any
neighborhood,
especially
one
with
a
car
wash
The.
Proposal
doesn't
make
evident
the
manner
in
which
water
drainage
from
the
car
wash
will
be
managed.
I
I
I
Recommendation
maintain
the
existing
zoning
designation
for
both
760
and
752.
As
per
past
practice.
We
do
not
wish
to
suggest
that
the
owners
be
impacted
financially.
Therefore,
a
grad
grandfather,
the
gas
bar
and
the
existing
Car
Wash
until
it
is
sold,
keep
the
zoning
in
place
consistent
with
the
aforementioned
the
light
density,
residential
identification.
I
I
J
J
Now
I
would
put
to
the
counselors
into
the
city
that
if
you
were
sitting
in
your
backyard
on
a
summer
evening
and
two
strangers
came
in
and
sat
down
next
to
you
and
started
talking
in
a
normal
conversation
with
something
had
nothing
to
do
with,
you
were
talking
to
your
friends
or
your
family.
Members
with
that
would
be
pretty
annoying.
Doctor
would
be
there
anyway
or
if
you
were
in
bed
on
a
summer
evening
with
the
windows
open
and
two
people
came
along
and
started
having
a
normal
conversation
outside
your
bedroom
window.
J
That
would
be
very
limited
now.
What
I
understand
is
the
worst
case.
Scenario
is
10
cars
per
hour.
In
fact,
on
a
sunny
spring
day,
you
know
we
all
know
what
the
lineups
are
like
at
car
washes.
They
can
easily.
It
could
easily
be
a
steady
stream
of
10
cars
per
hour.
It
could
go
on
all
day
and
well
into
the
evening
on
a
summer
evening.
J
Would
you
want
to
have
that
conversation
going
on
next
to
your
bedroom
window
or
next
to
your
backyard
table
while
you're
having
your
dinner
just
so
you
can
have
a
car
wash.
We
don't
need
a
second
car
wash
if
they
want
to
put
a
second
car
wash
on
the
road.
That's
fine,
but
don't
put
it
so
close
to
anybody's
house,
not
my
house,
not
someone
up
in
Greenwood
anywhere
close
to
a
house,
it's
just
too
intrusive.
Thank
you.
K
So
my
name
is
Nan
Hudson
and
I
live
at
40
number
40,
100,
medley
Court,
also
known
as
Rito,
Village
and
I.
Don't
have
a
lot
to
add
to
councilor
McLaren
and
members
of
the
planning
committee
that
you
haven't
already
heard,
but
I
do
want
to
just
name
something
that
I
don't
think
I've
heard,
which
is
that
Rideau
Village
two
things
about
it,
one
we
are
primarily
all
retired
seniors.
K
The
other
thing
that
hasn't
been
mentioned
is
that
if
you
stand
at
the
corner
of
Highway
15
and
medley
court-
and
you
look
towards
you,
you
look
West,
you
don't
even
know
that
there
is
a
community
there
which
raises
the
question.
It's
it
undergirds.
The
point
that's
been
made
about
safety
by
my
neighbors
already.
K
K
As
you
come
around
that
corner
off
Highway
15
onto
midley,
Court
cars
literally
just
rip
around
that
corner
and
that's
the
most
dangerous
point
when
I'm
walking
the
dog,
because
I
have
never
felt
safe
and
I.
Don't
think
that
the
addition
of
a
car
wash
is
going
to
help
it's
going
to
actually
just
add
to
the
problem
of
too
much
vehicular
traffic
Vehicles
do
come
in
and
out
and
often
as
I've
been
driving
out
of
Rito
Village
I've
almost
been
hit.
K
If,
if
I
hadn't
really
been
watching,
I
would
have
been
hit
by
cars
coming
out
of
the
of
the
gas
station
or
the
back
Alleyway
coming
at
high
speed
because
they're
not
looking
West,
they
have
no
idea,
there's
a
there's
a
community
there,
and
so
that's
really
an
issue
it's
been
named.
But
I'll
say
it
again:
there
is
already
a
car
wash
at
the
end
of
the
berryfield
center.
K
It's
a
manual
car
wash
with
six
or
seven
or
eight
bays
in
it,
and
a
car
wash
at
the
North
End
of
the
same
Center
is
not
necessary
and
I
do
think
that
it
will
be
a
detriment
to
our
community
to
the
well-being
of
our
residents.
I,
don't
think
that
has
been
named
sufficiently
and
very
fine
presentation.
You
did
tonight
Sean,
but
we
lived
there
and
we
want
to
be
safe,
so
I
very
much
oppose
this
proposal
and
I.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration
of
our
comments.
L
Hi,
my
name
is
Elaine
McDougall
and
I
live
at
61,
100,
medley
court
and
just
a
brief
addition
about
The,
Pedestrian
safety
and
I
know
that
the
proposal
said:
we've
considered
pedestrian
safety,
so
we've
we've
put
in
this
crosswalk
from
the
601
bus
stop
into
the
mall.
First
of
all,
that
does
nothing
to
address
pedestrian
safety
on
medley
Court.
L
They
are
impressive
in
that
they
wait
to
cross
at
the
lights
and
they
don't
run
across
the
highway,
but
they're
going
to
cross
at
the
lights
and
then
they're
going
to
enter
the
mall
or
100
foot
Park
from
that
corner,
they're
not
going
to
walk
down
Highway
15
to
the
South
to
the
601
bus,
stop
and
then
down
a
painted
walkway
to
get
into
the
mall.
That's
just
not
how
kids
are
going
to
walk.
L
It's
not
how
anybody
walks
that
will
help
the
few
people
getting
off
the
601
bus
to
come
into
the
mall
there's
already
a
little
sidewalk
there,
a
little
entrance,
nobody
uses
it
and
then,
once
you
get
into
the
plaza
you're
still
walking
across
the
parking
area,
you're
walking
across
the
front
of
the
gas
pumps,
it's
not
really
a
solution
to
pedestrian
safety
at
all.
It's
a
nod
to
it,
but
I
don't
think
it's
in
any
way
sufficient.
Thank
you.
A
H
Yes,
well
I
wanted
to
say
that
I'm
quite
impressed
with
my
neighbors
to
medley
Court
I
live
at
50
Lime
Ridge
Drive,
we're
across
on
the
Ravine
I'm,
trying
to
take
some
notes
and
learn
a
little
bit
about
the
proposal
when
I'm
just
actually
shocked
that
this
has
even
reached
the
level
of
the
committee.
This
is
a
no-go
doesn't
work
the
noise,
the
environmental
concerns
you're
right
beside
a
park.
H
It's
called
100
foot,
Park
animals,
light
pollution,
the
neighbors
are
right
across
the
street,
no
level
of
mitigation
for
a
fence
or
whatever
you're
planning
on
building
is
going
to
make
a
difference.
We
can
hear
the
traffic
already
from
our
house
again,
I'm
just
really
impressed
with
the
medley
Court
folks
because
of
their
Candor
and
respect
to
the
committee.
But
when
I
read
this
and
we
got
our
little
notice
in
the
mail,
the
the
plan
was
just
a
a
survey
of
what
was
already
there.
H
You
had
to
go
into
exhibit
K
into
the
proposal
to
find
the
actual
picture
of
the
map
of
what
you
were
planning
on
building
Sean
as
the
the
consultant
for
this
group.
What
about
the
vacuum?
Pumps,
you
know
how
noisy
they
are
they're
even
louder
than
the
car
wash.
Nothing
has
been
mentioned
about
the
vacuum
pump
noise.
There
are
some
days,
I.
Think
I
can
hear
it
all
the
way
across
from
the
other
side
of
the
berryfield
mall
from
from
the
other
car
wash.
H
This
isn't
going
to
help
anybody
and
also
I,
have
to
say
at
the
beginning
of
this
presentation.
I,
don't
know
what
it
has.
The
experience
has
been
for
other
people
online,
but
I
could
not
see
one
slide
properly
from
the
presentation
I
had
to
get
them
sent
to
me
separately.
They
were
not
clear,
you
couldn't
read
one
word
and
they
were
all
blurry,
so
anyone
who's
been
online
saw
a
split
screen
with
you,
showing
on
the
right
side
and
on
the
left.
H
This
proposal
does
not
make
sense,
there's
no
common
sense
from
what
I
understand
also
is
that
was
the
gas
station
ever
a
permitted
use
in
the
first
place.
It
looks
like
you
want
to
get
that
grandfathered
in
this
new
proposal.
How
did
it
even
get
built
in
the
first
place?
I'm,
not
even
sure
this
is
not
a
permitted
use
the
car
wash
it's
supposed
to
be
stores
and
businesses.
That's
what
that
place
is
for,
like
the
residents
from
medley
Court
said,
that's
what
we
would
like.
E
Okay,
all
right
so
initially
I'm
just
going
to
start
it's
it's
gonna
be
impossible
to
try
to
articulate
all
the
things
that
I'd
like
to
do
in
the
five
minutes.
So
I'm
just
going
to
read
the
initial
thing
here.
The
applicant
request,
too
many
official
plan
of
permitted
car
wash
increase
the
allowable
maximum
number
of
individual
uses
to
14
increase,
at
least
before
area
to
1988
square
meters.
E
It's
not
going
to
be
a
secret
that
in
my
last
eight
years
as
the
Pittsburgh
District
councilor,
one
of
the
number
one
things
I've
tried
to
do
is
actually
bring
new
Services
over
here,
and
so
you
know,
most
people
would
think
hey.
You
know
what
Ryan's
going
to
be
in
favor
of
this
counselor
boom
is
going
to
support
this.
E
It's
a
new
service,
not
one
bit
when
I
first
saw
this
I
actually
thought
I
was
being
pranked
or
that
it
was
an
April
Fool's
joke
Sean
I'd
like
to
ask
you-
and
you
don't
have
to
answer
right
now,
but
have
you
actually
driven
down
medley
Court?
My
canvas
did
I've
been
there.
I
went
to
LaSalle
I
know
that
area
quite
well.
It's
simply
too
tight.
E
It
doesn't
fit
where
you
want
to
propose
it
it
just
it's
poor
planning,
it
may
meet
all
the
minimum
requirements
and
you
may
be
able
to
massage
it
a
certain
way
to
to
bypass
those,
but
it's
not
good
planning
and
it
never
will
be.
It
would
be
jammed
in
there
and
I'm
I'm
really
curious,
who
you
want
to
be
your
customers,
because
I
can
tell
you
right
now.
I
can
honestly
say
that
I've
represented
this
district
for
eight
years
and
I
can
tell
you
that
I
have
not
heard
from
a
single
person.
E
That's
in
favor
of
this.
So
if
you're
looking
for
customers
in
the
East,
End
I,
don't
think
you're
going
to
get
that
with
this
car
wash
Additionally,
the
existing
Car
Wash
is
probably
empty
more
than
half
the
time.
So
the
market
study
I
would
question
because
we
have
have
I
believe
six
wash
bays
there,
where
you
can
wash
by
hand
and
then
another
car
wash
that
you
can
drive
through
and
the
vast
majority
of
the
time.
E
There
are
many
many
open
spaces
there
and
there
are
many
times
where
it
just
sits
quite
empty,
so
the
market
need
I,
don't
think
it's
really
there.
Additionally
I'd
ask
you
and
anybody
else
who
votes
in
favor
of
this
when
it
comes.
If
that
was
your
backyard
on
limb,
Ridge,
not
getting
a
noise
well
proposed
or
even
in
medley
Court.
Would
you
be
in
favor
of
this?
If
you
lived
in
that
area,
would
you
be
making
the
same
proposal
and
I
think
we
all
know
the
answer
to
that?
E
The
answer
would
be
no
because
you
couldn't
hold
a
conversation
in
your
backyard
with
the
exhaust
fans
going
off
and
the
vacuum
pumps
in
the
dryer
and
those
dryers
are
so
loud
that
even
when
you're
in
your
vehicle,
you
know
you're
almost
needing
earplugs.
You
can't
talk
to
the
person
beside
you,
so
the
people
who
back
on
limridge
and
medley
right
there,
the
only
thing
between
them
is
trees
and
and
not
many
of
them
are-
are
conifers,
which
means
in
the
winter.
The
noise
study
is
going
to
be
completely
different
than
in
the
summer.
E
So
so,
if
you
do
a
noise
study
where
there's
complete
foliage
and
you
mark
that
out,
you
have
to
realize
that
during
the
winter
sound
travels
far
far
further,
there's
less
to
buffer.
It
additionally
I'm
concerned
about
you
know
your
solution
to
pedestrian
safety,
paint
some
lines
nah
that
doesn't
really
cut
it.
You
know
what
I
mean
like
it's.
It's
literally
the
minimum
amount
required
to
say
we
did
something
which
is
not
at
all.
E
E
It's
far
more
removed
from
the
houses,
and
if
you
were
going
to
try
something
I
would
have
figured
you
would
have
started
there,
but
where
you,
where
you've
tried
to
put
this
tractor
trailers,
will
not
be
able
to
get
in
it's
already
too
tight,
there's
going
to
be
a
reduction
in
Access
for
emergency
services.
I
would
ask
every
member
of
the
planning
committee
before
they
consider
this
file
to
please
take
a
drive
down
there.
E
Take
a
drive
down,
look
at
100
foot
Park,
which
is
right
there,
which
also
you
know,
serves
as
somewhat
of
an
animal
refuge
and
I'm
sure.
There's
probably
vulnerable
creatures
in
there
that
are
going
to
be
affected
by
this
I
would
ask
them
to
take
a
drive
down
medley,
Court,
beautiful
little
neighborhood
and,
as
mentioned
earlier
by
residents,
almost
nobody
that
doesn't
live.
There
knows
it's
there
and
that's
going
to
be
heavily
impacted
by
this.
I
would
also
ask.
E
You
Mr
chair,
I,
would
also
drive
around
that
Plaza
and
just
see
how
tight
it
is
in
there.
So
just
just
meeting
planning
minimums
is
not
what
leads
to
good
development
and
I
am
probably
about
as
a
pro
development
counselor,
as
you
will
get
on
this
Council
and
I'm,
not
in
favor
of
this
I,
don't
think
it's
good
development
I,
don't
think
it
aligns
with
what
we're
needing
over
here
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
something
the
community
even
wants.
The
other
thing
we
need
to
consider
is
that
there's
not
going
to
be
nighttime
deliveries
there.
E
A
J
B
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
I,
just
have
a
couple
of
clarifications,
starting
with
the
most
recent
yes,
I
have
visited
the
site
and
I
just
wish
to
clarify
about
the
plan
itself.
There's
a
comment
by
the
member
of
the
public
that
the
gas
underground
gas
tanks
will
be
covered
by
the
car,
wash
that
that
is
not
the
case.
B
The
car
washes
proposed
adjacent
to
the
existing
underground
gas
tanks.
There's
also
comment
about
the
pulse
deliveries.
There's
a
dedicated
space
that
will
be
marked
at
the
rear.
The
pulse
deliveries
run
from
five
to
ten
minutes,
and
then
the
truck
is
gone.
So
I
just
wanted
to
provide
some
clarity
on
that,
but
I
have
no
further
comments
this
time.
Thank
you.
A
A
B
So
we
did
two
folds
there'll,
be
a
new
marked
Crossing
crossing
the
East
parking
area.
I,
don't
know
if
it's
helpful
to
bring
up
the
plan,
if
that's
at
all
possible
and
I
can
point
to
things
but
I'll,
just
if
that's
not
possible,
just
simply
explain
there'll
be
a
new
painted
Crossing
from
the
transit,
stop
to
the
plaza
walkway
itself.
B
A
B
The
crosswalks
are
identified
by
the
diagonal
hatch
and
the
proposed
Car
Wash
is
highlighted
in
blue,
so
there'll
be
new,
marked
Crossings
in
key
areas,
the
bottom
of
the
plan,
because
it
is
rotated
or
at
the
West
there's
that
dedicated
space
for
the
postal
pharmaceave.
Only
it's
it's
only
for
that,
because
it's
very
specific
they
they
have
the
frequent
deliveries.
B
They
are
only
there
for
five
didn't
so
we
gave
them
a
specific
space
to
do
that
adjacent
to
the
pharmacy,
so
they
have
a
direct
line,
so
they
can
get
in
and
out
as
quickly
as
possible
and
I.
Think
it's
been
well
discussed
about
the
along
the
highway
15
Frontage.
There's
a
will
be
a
new
marked
Crossing,
connecting
the
transit
stop
to
the
internal
walkway
Network.
The
there
is
the
remainder
of
existing
sidewalk
adjacent
that
wraps
around
the
corner
or
intersection
of
medley
court
and
Highwood
15..
B
So
what
we've
done
is
to
provide
a
landscaped
Island
it'll,
be
between
the
car
wash
and
the
vehicular
traveled
Lane
of
medley
Court,
essentially
it'll
be
a
break
in
the
existing
access,
so
the
access
is
actually
becoming
very
controlled
right.
Now
it's
wide
open,
uncontrolled
with
the
plan
we
are
proposing
to
control
access
at
a
certain
point
to
exit
only
right,
so
we're
not
getting
left
in
and
outs
we're
only
getting
exit.
Only
we'll
have
a
landscaped
Island,
so
it'll
be
a
physical
break
in
the
access
where
pedestrians
can
linger.
B
Again,
it's
almost
the
entire
Frontage
we're
reducing
that
to
13.7,
which
is
the
width
of
the
North
Highway
15
entrance,
which
currently
exists
today.
So
access
will
be
very
controlled
along
medley
court
with
the
proposal
to
basically
it
might
experience.
Personally,
you
know
when
you
have
wide
open
access
points
like
that.
You
essentially
get
a
free-for-all
right.
You've
got
cars,
exiting
coming
from
all
directions,
and
so,
with
the
the
car
wash
we're
actually
putting
something
right
in
the
middle
and
it's
gonna,
it's
gonna
break
it
up
pedestrians.
B
It's
we're
going
to
get
control
exit,
only
we're
narrowing
the
the
full
access
Booms
to
what
currently
exists
on
highway
15..
So
basically,
cars
will
be
coming
out
in
a
much
more
controlled
fashion.
So
you
know
I
do
want
to
reiterate
that
a
traffic
review
is
not
required
as
a
complete
application,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
in
controlling
the
medley
Court
access
in
these
ways,
the
effect
is
is
understood
that
it
will
slow
things
down
and
when
you're
exiting
the
car
wash.
B
For
example,
you
can't
come
up
very
quickly
because
you've
got
a
parking
space.
There.
You've
got
to
turn
90
degrees,
so
when
you
exit
the
car
wash,
you
have
to
turn
so
you're
facing
90
degrees
to
medley
court,
so
you
can
get
proper
sight
lights
in
order
to
again,
yes,
people
will
likely
be
making
a
right
turn
out
to
go
to
the
lighted
intersection,
so
those
are
yeah.
Sorry,
that's
thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
A
M
A
B
N
Thank
you
and
through
you,
chair,
I,
believe
what
is
what
we're
doing
with
ignited
car
wash
car
wash
waste
is
handled
through
Wastewater,
not
storm
water.
This
is
something
that
we
can
confirm
with
utilities
Kingston
about
how
this
will
be
handled
in
our
system.
So
what
Mr
legere
is
referring
to
is
the
Wastewater
from
the
site
being
conveyed
out
from
medley
Court
to
Highway
15,
but
that
is
something
we
will
check
prior
to
bringing
back
a
comprehensive
report.
Thank.
A
A
B
A
Mr
chair,
thank
you
and
with
regards
to
the
size
of
the
parking
spots,
I
understand
that
they
are
becoming
smaller.
Even
if
the
number
is
not
going
down,
are
they
still
functional?
Do
they
meet?
Does
the
proposal
meet
standards
set
by
The
Province
I
understand.
Is
that
correct
that
this
is
set
by
the
province.
B
Three
Mr
chair,
I
presume
that's
for
me
the
standards
that
we
designed
to
when
we
began
this
process.
The
new
comprehensive
zoning
of
dialogue
is
not
in
effect
yet
so,
when
the
design
was
completed,
it
was
designed
to
the
township
of
Pittsburgh
RMS.
So
that's
what
the
design
is.
It
meets
those
requirements
both
for
parking
space,
lengths
width
and
the
driveway
aisle
width.
N
Thanks
and
through
you
chair,
that's
something
we
can
look
at.
The
township
of
Pittsburgh
bylaw
actually
had
a
third
provision
for
parking
spaces,
which
was
a
minimum
area
requirement,
and
while
the
bylaw
did
have
a
5.2
meter,
long
parking
space
and
a
2.6
meter
wide
parking
space,
it
also
had
a
16.7
square
meter
size
requirement,
which
generally
meant
one
of
the
two
Provisions
had
to
be
increased.
So
we'll
take
a
look
at
that
as
part
of
this
exercise,
but
the
city
didn't
pass.
N
The
new
zoning
bylaw,
which
is
our
first
real
update
to
some
of
the
parking
space
requirements,
we'd
be
looking
to
ensure
that
the
parking
spaces
are
functional
from
both
a
maneuverability
and
sizing
aspect
through
this
exercise.
So
the
current
parking
layout
is
still
under
review
by
staff
and
we
will
be
providing
comments
to
the
applicant
shortly
on
the
entirety
of
the
application.
A
A
O
Okay,
so
one
question
was:
how
effective
are
these
sound
barriers
and
another
question
was
I
mentioned
it
was
under
serviced
and
do
we
have
any
data
on
the
use
of
the
existing
Car
Wash
I
know
that
counselor
Bowen
had
mentioned
that
there
was
often
times
where
it
was
empty
or
it
wasn't
in
use.
So
it's
just
is
there?
O
Was
there
more
demand
than
it
can
handle,
or
is
it
just
adding
a
car
wash,
even
though
the
other
one
isn't
being
fully
utilized
and
also
what
is
the
estimated
amount
of
time
to
wash
a
car
and
from
like
the
entering
the
front
doors
and
exiting
through
the
dryers,
to
try
to
get
an
idea
of
what
the
maximum
amount
of
constant
noise
would
be
a
really
busy
time
if
there
would
be
a
busy
time
also?
Is
it
a
proposed
24-hour
Car
Wash
and
for
the
landscape
area
and
the
crossing
area?
O
A
B
Three
Mr
chair:
we
just
got
to
the
number
of
vehicles
in
terms
of
right.
How
many
can
you
put
through
in
one
day
kind
of
thing?
I
do
not
know
so.
I'll
have
to
look
into
that
about
the
hours
of
operation.
That's
not
a
matter
that
is
addressed
through
the
zoning
bylaw,
so
I
just
want
to
provide
some
clarity
on
that.
B
B
So,
for
example,
the
one
in
my
own
area
closes
at
10
or
11
o'clock,
so
there
there
is
usually
hours
of
operation,
but
hours
of
operation
are
not
handled
through
a
zoning
bylaw
I'm.
So
sorry,
there
is
a
question
about
the
effectiveness
of
something
I
didn't
quite
catch,
that
full
comment
or
question.
B
Is
it
the
effectiveness
of
the
noise,
bearing
apologies
for
for
interacting
three
Mr
chair?
The
noise
feasibility
assessment
was
prepared
by
professional
noise
engineer.
The
recommendations
and
mitigation
measures
were
prepared
upon
their
assessment.
They
have
been
to
the
site,
they've
done
a
number
of
test
modeling.
They
looked
at
all
sorts
of
things.
B
If
you
do
read
the
report
that
you
know
types
of
equipment,
the
equipment's
going
to
be
used,
all
things
that
were
sort
of
are
normally
considered
have
been
considered
and
the
you
know,
for
example,
even
the
location
of
the
equipment.
You
know,
external
internal.
All
those
items
are
evaluated
for
this
kind
of
study.
B
Through
the
assessments
the
recommendation
came
for,
depending
on
where
you
are
along
the
west
property
line.
If
it's
a
certain
grade,
the
fence
would
be
three
meters.
If,
if
it's,
which
is
I
understand,
if
you're
at
the
North
End
of
the
site,
the
fence
would
be
a
little
taller
and
as
you
progress
away
from
that
North
Corner
in
the
post
car
wash,
the
fence
will
get
shorter,
and
so
the
existing
retaining
wall
and
fence
represents
approximately
the
height.
B
B
B
It
just
happens
to
have
that
note
on
it,
I
apologize
for
the
confusion,
but
the
fence
will
be
reconstructed
to
an
acoustic
barrier
standard
and
and
but
in
terms
of
specific
Heights
they'll
be
very
close
to
what's
there
now
so
in
terms
of
Effectiveness,
that
was
deemed
to
be
the
effective
solution
to
meet
mecp
criteria
for
the
NPC
300
guidelines.
That
was
the
effective
solution
for
that
was
determined
by
the
professional
noise
engineer.
O
O
B
Right
apologies:
I
did
miss
that
so
three
Mr
chair,
the
numbers
or
use
of
I
do
not
recall
in
my
review
of
the
noise.
Sorry,
the
the
market
assessment
that
the
use
of
any
specific
car
wash
was
was
considered.
They
look
at.
They
looked
at
a
number
of
factors
and
and
rants
modeling.
They
got
a
lot
of
data
and
looked
at
the
city.
Overall,
they
looked
at
the
the
trade
area.
B
They
they
looked
at
a
number
of
factors,
but
the
use
of
any
specific
car
wash
was
I,
don't
recall
was
considered
it's
it's.
Other
factors
were
considered
in
determining
that
you
know
based
on
the
population
and
the
number
of
of
these
uses
that
currently
exist,
that
it
was
determined
that
the
trade
area
could
sustain
another
car
wash
and
would
be
further
supported
by
the
growth
in
the
area.
That's
to
occur
over
time,
which
has
been
outlined
in
my
presentation.
P
Through
you,
your
chair,
so
my
questions
are
surrounding
whether
this
is
actually
going
to
be
of
benefit
to
the
community.
So
first
was
consideration
given
to
the
impact
on
the
other
businesses
that
are
located
in
this
area.
As
was
noted
by
several
members
of
the
community,
there
are
other
businesses
in
there.
Some
of
them
are
quite
small
on
occasion,
there's
a
large
deal
of
traffic
that
comes
through
there,
particularly
to
Canada
post
I've,
been
to
the
site
several
times
myself.
P
So
there's
a
large
number
of
trucks
there
you're
adjacent
to
Countryside
you're,
proposing
to
reduce
the
size
of
the
parking
spaces,
and
even
if
they
are
within
you,
know,
prescribed
measurements,
parking,
those
larger
vehicles
and
then
taking
larger
larger
vehicles
through
car
washes
poses
a
great
deal
of
difficulty.
So
was
any
consideration
given
to
those
things.
B
B
The
parking
plan
was
devised
in
order
to
soak
the
preference
if
I
could
say
that
was
given
to
providing
landscape
strips
which
do
not
currently
exist
on
the
property,
and
so
the
preference
was
given
to
providing
that
and
through
that.
The
parking
plan
then
was
compressed
in
order
to
give
what
could
be
an
adequate
planting
strips
for
Meaningful
vegetation
and
meaningful
Landscaping
to
add
to
the
acoustic
barrier
and
the
streetscapes
of
medley
court
and
Highway
15..
B
B
Three
Mr
chair,
I
I,
believe
the
comment
was
what
types
of
vehicles
will
be
using
the
car
wash?
No,
that
was
not
considered
what
types
of
vehicles
will
be
used
in
the
car.
Wash
the
car
wash
will
be
built
to
all
applicable
Ontario
building
code
and
standards
for
car
washes
to
accommodate
quite
a
range
of
vehicles.
So
perhaps
that's
the
response
to
that
item
in
terms
of
the
parking
layouts
we,
as
I
mentioned
before
we
utilize
the
township
of
Pittsburgh
standards,
so
that
that
is
the
response
to
that.
Q
Q
And
if
you
didn't
make
your
request
for
smaller
parking
spaces,
how
many
parking
spaces
for
cars
would
be
lost?
You
mentioned
the
loading
area
would
be
in
the
southeast
part
of
the
building.
How
would
larger
Vehicles
such
as
semi-tractor
trailers
as
exit
the
building
the
parking
lot
considering
it
would
be
unsafe
for
them
to
back
up.
B
During
pre-consultation,
it
was
not
considered,
we
didn't
discuss
having
a
bicycle
parking
on
the
site,
certainly
open
to
providing
that
so
that's
sort
of
an
easy
one,
how
many
spaces
will
be
lost
if
we
adhere
to
the
new
zoning
bylaw
standards?
None
simply
we
would
make
the
planting
strips
narrower,
so
they
may
get
quite
small
or
disappear.
I'd
have
to
take
I,
wouldn't
know.
Until
we
did
did
a
revision
to
the
plan,
we
wouldn't
remove
any
parking
spaces
at
all.
B
B
I
understand
some
of
the
vehicle's
tractor
trailers,
so
in
discussions
with
with
the
operator
there's
the
fuel
deliveries
which
are
which
are
double
tankers,
there's
the
the
Pepsi
trucks
and
the
the
Coca-Cola
trucks
and
the
pizza
pizza
trucks
are
full
transport
trucks.
They
do
not
currently,
as
the
site
exists
today,
they
do
not
go
to
the
rear
of
the
site.
They
currently
come
from
Italy
court
and
exit
onto
Highway
15,
and
that
will
be
that
will
continue
with
this
plan.
B
B
Three
Mr
chair
I'm,
not
aware
of
that
I
I
spoke
with
the
operator
today
to
make
sure
I
had
an
answer
for
this
question
and
he
indicated
to
me
that
they're,
the
the
tractor
trailer
so
I'm
talking
transport
trucks
and
he
he
specified
for
fuel
deliveries,
pizza,
pizza,
Pepsi
and
Coke.
Those
trucks
are
full
transport
trucks.
They
do
not
Traverse
the
back
of
the
site
at
all.
B
Currently,
the
only
large
vehicles
that
I
understand
that
versus
the
rear
of
the
site
are
garbage
trucks
and
that
will
continue
but
or
be
able
to
continue
with
the
current
plan.
There
are
some
I
appreciate,
you
know,
Cube
type
trucks,
so
they
may
be
they're
they're,
not
full
transport
trucks,
but
they're
of
a
lower
class
smaller
that
functionality,
so
they
will
be
able
to
the
functionality,
will
remain
with
the
plan,
those
sort
of
half
trucks.
B
B
What
I
saw
on
that
image
was
that
the
the
truck
was
actually
across
the
medley
Court
area,
that
exterior
side
yard,
but
I
I
haven't
seen
any
transport
trucks
at
the
back.
I
talked
with
the
operator
today.
He
said
they
don't
go
back
there,
so
I,
don't
know
what
type
of
truck
that
was
seen
or
what
it
was
for,
but
I'm
just
I'm
just
indicating
what
I
spoke
with
the
operator
today.
Q
Q
My
other
concern
is
pedestrian
safety.
Coming
from
Melody
Court.
Looking
at
the
plans,
we
talked
about
a
lot
of
the
pedestrian
traffic
coming
from
the
East
side,
but
not
the
west
side,
so
anyone
come
from
LD
Court
would
have
to
come
in
front
of
the
car
wash
possibly
when
vehicles
are
exiting
and
I've
confirmed
safety
in
that
aspect,
because
a
car
wouldn't
be
able
to
just
stop
in
the
middle
of
their
exiting,
considering
where
the
blowers
are,
how
we
can
ensure
safety
of
pedestrians.
In
that
aspect,.
B
B
Typically,
when
you
use
automatic
car
wash
or
dysfunction
you're
exiting
very
slowly,
it's
a
tendency
of
users
to
take
as
most
advantage
of
the
dryer
function
as
possible.
So
they
exit
extremely
slowly
in
order
to
take
advantage
of
that
and
and
dry
their
car
as
much
as
possible.
Essentially
they
will
have
they.
They
can't
go
fast.
They
they
have
to
come
up
very
slow
and
then
they
have
to
make
a
90
degree
rotation
to
medley
Court,
to
ensure
proper
sight
lines.
B
So
again,
this
this
whole
area
is
going
to
be
much
more
controlled
than
it
is
today
right
now,
it's
just
sort
of
wide
open
and
what
we're
proposing
to
do
is
to
the
effect
of
the
car
wash
and
proposed
landscaped
Island,
it's
going
to
slow
everything
down
so
Vehicles
exiting
the
car.
Wash
you
really
can't
exit
across
very
quickly
and
I
I'm,
not
sure
that
would
be
a
typical
Behavior
to
Exit
A
Car
Wash
quickly
and
that
you're
coming
out.
B
Q
I
never
mentioned
that
the
vehicles
will
be
exiting
quickly
out
of
the
car
wash
just
that
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
stop
considering
the
continuously
moving
forward
out
of
the
car
wash
in
ensuring
that
the
blowers
go
from
front
to
the
back
of
their
vehicle.
So
if
someone's
walking
across
the
car
wash,
there
will
be
vehicle
exiting
and
as
you
mentioned,
we
have
to
turn
right
perpendicular
to
get
off
out
of
the
street,
so
I
still
have
concerns
regards
to
pedestrian
coming
from
the
West.
Q
And
further,
according
to
look
at
the
report,
page
911
table
7.4.1,
there
are
several
requests:
it
States
minimum
requirements
for
parking
spaces,
both
length
and
width,
not
to
mention
the
drive,
aisle
width
which
is
being
reduced
or
being
requested.
We
have
just
recently
dealt
with
at
least
the
previous
council
with
smaller
driveways
in
the
East
End.
The
last
thing
I
want
to
do
is
my
Council
term
is
deal
with
smaller
parking
spaces
in
the
standard
anywhere
in
Kingston
being
able
to
open
doors.
Q
A
A
A
Sorry,
all
those
in
favor
thank
you
pass
uses
unanimously
confirmation
of
the
minutes
so
that
the
minutes
of
planning
committee,
meeting,
01,
20
23,
held
on
Thursday
December
1st
2022,
be
approved.
Counselor
Gennady,
counselor
Glenn,
all
in
favor,
passes
unanimously
disclosure
to
pecuniary
interest.
Seeing
none
delegations
none
briefings,
none
misses
it's,
not
emotions,
none
notice
of
motions,
none
other
business.
None
correspondence
date
of
next
meeting
will
be
January
11th
2023
at
6
PM.
Oh
sorry,
director
Park
go.
M
Ahead,
thank
you
and
through
you,
Mr
chair
for
the
Indulgence
I
actually
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
and
thank
our
Clerk
Elizabeth
Fawcett,
who
has
been
the
clerk
of
planning
committee
now
for
the
better
part
of
two
years
and
her
exemplary
service
to
this
community.
Now
Beth
is
not
leaving
the
city
she's
just
being
transferred
to
another
committee,
but
she's
done
an
absolutely
wonderful
job
and
I.
Just
think
that
should
be
recognized
and
not
to
fear
committee
members.