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Planning Committee meeting from November 16, 2017. For the full meeting agenda visit https://goo.gl/BDJ35Q
A
Did
as
a
result
of
this
public
hearing
and
on
the
forms
provided
at
the
back
of
the
room,
is
collected
under
the
authority
of
the
Planning
Act
and
will
be
used
to
assist
in
making
a
decision
on
this
matter.
All
names
addresses
opinions
and
comments
may
be
collected
and
may
form
part
of
the
minutes
which
will
be
available
to
the
public
questions
regarding
this
collection
should
be
forwarded
to
the
Director
of
Planning,
building
and
licensing
services.
A
The
purpose
of
public
meetings
is
to
present
planning
applications
in
a
public
forum,
as
required
by
the
Planning
Act
following
presentations
by
the
applicant
committee.
Members
will
be
afforded
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
for
clarification
or
further
information.
The
meeting
will
then
be
opened
to
the
public
for
comments
and
questions.
Interested
persons
are
requested
to
give
their
name
and
address
for
recording
in
the
minutes.
There
is
also
a
sign-in
sheet
for
interested
members
of
the
public
at
the
back
of
the
room.
No
decisions
are
made
at
public
meetings
concerning
applications.
A
A
Council
has
authorized
staff
to
use
discretion
in
determining
if
an
application
can
be
a
combined
public
meeting
comprehensive
report
to
expedite
the
approval
process,
and
we
do
have
a
combined
public
meeting
comprehensive
report
for
zoning
bylaw
amendment
two
to
seven
six
to
eight
for
Kingsdale
Avenue,
a
decision
will
be
made
at
the
regular
portion
of
the
planning
committee
meeting
tonight.
Information
gathered
at
public
meetings
is
then
referred
back
to
planning,
building
and
licensing
services
staff
for
the
preparation
of
a
comprehensive
report
and
recommendation
to
Planning
Committee.
A
This
means
that
after
the
meeting
tonight,
staff
will
be
considering
the
comments
made
by
the
public
in
their
further
review
of
the
applications.
When
this
review
is
completed,
a
report
will
be
prepared
making
a
recommendation
for
action
to
this
committee.
The
recommendation
is
typically
to
approve
or
to
deny
this
committee
then
makes
a
recommendation
on
the
applications
to
City
Council
and
City.
A
Council
has
the
finals
on
the
applications
from
the
city's
perspective
following
Council's
decision
notice
will
be
circulated
in
accordance
with
the
Planning
Act,
and
anyone
with
an
interest
in
the
matter
may
file
an
appeal.
Interested
persons
are
advised
that
if
a
person
or
a
public
body
does
not
make
oral
submissions
at
the
public
meeting
or
make
written
submissions
before
the
bylaw
is
passed,
the
person
or
public
body
is
not
entitled
to
appeal
the
decision
of
counsel
to
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board.
A
B
B
This
property
is
located
at
the
corner
of
Victoria
and
Earl
streets.
The
area
is
a
stable
neighborhood,
it's
a
low-rise
residential
neighbourhood
and
it's
in
proximity
to
a
number
of
things
that
I've
listed
on
the
screen
like
Winston
Churchill
public
school,
which
is
right
next
door,
and
you
can
see
also
notes
relating
to
K
C
VI,
Queens,
Donald,
Gordon,
Center,
few
parks
in
the
area.
B
Just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
where
this
is
located
in
the
city
268,
the
house
that
exists
today
is
an
existing
two
and
a
half
story
dwelling
and
it's
in
an
area
that
has
a
mix
of
low
and
medium
density.
Residential
housing
in
it
in
older
parts
of
the
city,
which
is
very
common,
is
there's
a
high
incidence
of
non-conforming
residential
dwellings
in
those
areas
just
taking
a
walk
around
the
street.
The
top
picture
shows
the
houses
that
are
immediately
adjacent
to
268
Victoria.
B
You
can
see
the
the
house,
the
commonality
here,
brick
houses,
two
and
a
half
stories
fairly
tall
and
narrow,
and
you
can
see-
is
that
that
compares
as
it
goes
down
the
street,
with
250
being
a
two
and
a
half
story,
semi-detached
flipping
to
the
other
side
of
the
road
of
Victoria.
You
can
see
the
church
and
two
single
detached
dwellings
travelling
further
down
Victoria
Street.
We
have
these
newer,
they're,
actually
zoned
as
duplexes
on
Earl
Street
right
across
the
street
from
268.
B
So
what
the
request
before
the
committee
tonight
is
to
a
to
ultimately
and
at
some
point
in
time,
allow
a
severance
to
subdivide
the
rear,
dr
rear
yard,
from
268,
and
in
doing
so
it
would
allow
a
2
and
a
half
story.
Semi
detached
dwelling
on
the
severed
lot
and
they
would
be
two
units:
five
bedrooms,
each
one
parking
space
per
unit
and
I'm
gonna
come
back
to
this
slide
later,
because
it's
a
good
one
to
kind
of
show
some
of
the
changes
that
we've
made
since
receiving
the
input
from
the
public.
B
So
just
a
little
bit
more
about
the
application.
These
are
some
renderings
that
have
been
prepared
by
Schultz
ins,
a
back
architect
showing
the
two
and
a
half
story
dwelling
with
the
front
porches
and
an
upper
balcony.
On
the
second
floor,
our
current
proposal
shows
parking
on
both
sides
of
the
new
house,
just
another
rendering
showing
the
house
from
another
angle.
You
can
see
that
the
design
prepared
by
the
architects
matches
the
the
side
look
of
268
Victoria.
B
So
when
we
turn
to
the
Official
Plan,
we
are
looking
at
designations
and
intent,
and
this
area
is
within
a
housing
district
which
allows
for
minor
infill
and
the
prevailing
themes
within
the
housing
district
are
that
infill
must
be
compatible
with
the
prevailing
built
form,
and
that's
really
why
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
just
showing
you
some
of
the
adjacent
houses
to
this
site
and
within
the
residential
designation.
Another
house
is
obviously
a
permitted
use
and
there
is
still
a
strong
encouragement
for
intensification
in
our
housing
districts
in
the
city.
B
So,
looking
more
specifically
at
some
of
those
policies,
we're
not
proposing
any
changes
to
the
Official
Plan,
but
specifically
when
we
look
at
medium
density.
These
are
some
key
policies
for
consideration
tonight
and
medium
density
is,
is
in
numbers,
it's
simply
mathematics
to
determine
whether
something
is
low,
medium
or
high.
B
This
area
is
in
a
four
zoned
area
which
allows
in
in
shorter
version
of
what's
listed
on
the
screen,
one
and
two
family
dwellings,
one
and
two
unit
dwellings
and,
as
is
common
with
most
zoning
bylaws
we're
dealing
with
bylaws
that
were
developed
in
the
1970s
in
this
area.
And
so
there
are
a
number
of
amendments
required
both
to
the
retain
lot
and
to
the
severed
lot.
B
There
are
some
changes
that
have
kind
of
lightly
highlighted
on
this
zoning
map,
and
one
is,
you
can
see
a
hatch
line
in
our
original
proposal,
the
one
that's
before
the
city,
the
we
had
intended
to
save
the
garage
and
there
through
comments
from
staff
and
some
of
the
comments
we've
received
from
the
public.
We
think
it
would
actually
be
wiser
to
remove
the
garage
and
to
draw
the
line
straight,
so
you'll
essentially
have
to
square
lots
and
I'll
get
into
this
more
in
a
few
minutes.
B
B
When
we're
talking
about
a
zoning
bylaw,
amendment
relief
has
to
be
justified
on
a
site
by
site
basis
and
most,
if
not
all,
properties
in
this
neighborhood
and
most
within
the
city
would
actually
require
similar
reliefs.
So
we
design
a
project.
We
look
to
the
importance
of
things
like
do.
We
have
enough
parking.
Do
we
have
enough
open
space,
and
some
of
those
parameters
are
what
shape
what
the
ultimate
zoning
will
look
like
for
the
site.
B
We've
received
comments
that
the
development
is
too
dense,
that
the
Lots
are
too
small
and
I
kind
of
have
a
similar
response
to
that
answer
as
well.
We're
proposing
a
semi-detached
house,
we
are
prepared-
and
you
know
one
of
our
traits
in
our
firm
is
that
we
ask
our
clients
that
every
room
that
can
be
a
bedroom
to
be
shown
as
a
bedroom,
and
that
is
to
avoid
people
zoning.
B
One
of
the
points
that
was
raised.
This
was
also
raised
by
staff
as
well
as
the
public.
Is
that
the
retain
lot
we
were
proposing
to
acknowledge
somewhat
acknowledged
the
existing
open
space,
there's
a
parking
area
and
there's
a
garage
and
the
number
came
out
to
just
under
25
percent,
when
the
new
changes
to
the
amenity
provisions
require
30
percent.
So
we've
discussed
this
with
staff
and
we
think
that
the
best
solution
is
to
actually
remove
the
garage
which
is
not
actually
being
used
as
a
garage.
B
So
it's
not
providing
parking
anyway,
and
that
will
allow
for
the
restoration
of
that
area
to
be
a
landscaped
open
space
and
in
doing
so
in
removing
the
garage
we
gain
more
than
the
5%
to
exceed
30%
required
open
space,
and
there
is
also
another
point
and-
and
this
is
again
kind
of
more
focusing
on
what
people
perceive
to
be.
The
tenants
will
be
of
this
building
that
there
would
be
no
bicycle
parking
and
that
there
would
be
no
no
garbage
storage
and
on
the
property
right
now.
B
B
There
is
no
legal
right
away
for
these
properties,
but,
however,
my
client
wants
to
be
a
good
neighbor
and
so
I'm
gonna
propose
to
you
some
changes
to
the
plan
before
you
that
will
help
to
allow
that
access
to
those
rear
yards
to
be
maintained.
So,
in
summary,
the
application
is
consistent
with
the
provincial
policy
statement
and
with
the
Official
Plan.
B
So
there's
a
jog
in
the
lot,
because
originally
we
had
proposed
to
save
the
garage
because
we
felt
it
was
in
character
with
the
neighborhood,
but
in
fact,
there's
barely
any
garages
in
this
street.
So
we
do
think
it
does
make
sense
to
take
the
line
straight
through,
which
means
the
garage
would
be
removed.
This
area,
ultimately,
is
providing
the
back
yard
for
the
existing
house,
and
there
is
a
shed
currently
located
here
and
what
our
proposal
is
to
help
maintain.
B
So
I
just
wanted
to
propose
that,
because
you
know
I,
my
client
does
want
to
be
a
good.
Neighbor
is
very
concerned
with
that
and
with
being
a
good
neighbor,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
propose
that,
because
those
are
some
of
the
changes
that,
based
on
the
comments
we've
seen
today,
that
when
we
address
technical
comments
from
staff,
that's
some
of
the
ways
that
we
intend
to
address.
Some
of
the
comments
that
have
been
heard
from
the
public
as
well.
I'm
pleased
to
entertain
any
questions.
B
D
Thank
you
I
appreciate
that
you've
tried
to
address
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
expressed
already.
I
guess.
My
concern
is
with
the
number
of
bedrooms
that
are
going
in
and
I
know
that
we're
still
at
the
one
parking
space
per
unit.
Although
I
understand
we
are
exploring
the
idea
of
having
it
as
a
ratio
of
bedrooms
which
a
lot
of
communities
have
done.
D
Is
there
any
way
that
you
could
address
the
concern
I
think
we're
all
going
to
hear
tonight,
which
is
the
issue
of
appropriate
amount
of
parking
for
that
number
of
bedrooms,
because
clearly
this
will
be,
in
all
likelihood,
adults
that
are
living
in
in
that
in
the
units,
so
that
that's
why
initial
concern
but
I
look
forward
to
hearing
other
concerns
as
well.
Thank
you
certainly.
B
I
mean
I,
think
you
know
through
you,
madam
chair,
you
know
right
now.
The
bylaw
requires
one
space
per
unit.
I
can
tell
you
that
right
now
the
house
at
268
is
is
rented
by
students.
There
are
seven
rooms
in
that
house
and
there
are
seven
tenants
of
that
house
and
I
believe
there
are
zero
cars.
Is
that
correct?
D
I
know
that
consideration
for
reduced
parking
requirements
along
those
arterioles
that
have
expressed
bus
service
is
frequent
but
and
I
noticed
you
referenced
Williamsville
Main
Street,
which
is
blocks
away
from
this
address.
So
it's
a
bit
of
a
stretch
to
to
reference
that
within
your
rationale.
So
thank
you.
A
E
B
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
have
a
couple
quick
questions
for,
for
you
and
and
I
have
a
question
for
staff
as
well.
So
you
mentioned
with
the
removal
of
the
garage.
The
percentage
of
open
landscape
space
landscape,
open
space
before
removal
Dhiraj
is
about
twenty
four
point:
seven
percent.
With
remove
of
the
garage
the
percentage
on
the
corner
house,
the
existing
house
is
now
over
thirty
percent,
which
is
the
new
standard,
the
new
bylaw
that
we
passed
recently.
F
B
B
F
F
So
staff
came
back
with
six
specific
changes,
some
that
were
already
started
and
some
that
and
that-
and
that
would
be
accelerated
and
some
that
were
new
and
one
of
those
was,
as
I
said,
the
30
percent
minimum
landscape
open
space
requirement
and
then
some
of
those
things
were
passed
and
are
now
in
law
and
some
were
appealed.
And
so
my
question
is:
is
there
anything
in
the
relief
being
sought
and
I?
Don't
know
if
it's
staffer?
You
want
to
answer
this.
That
is
under
appeal
and
what's
the
ramification
of
that
I.
B
B
G
You
and
through
madam
chair
and
and
others
may
want
to
add,
but
the
the
appeals
that
are
currently
in
place
are
related
to
the
Official
Plan
Update.
So
all
of
those
policies
are
contained
within
the
Official
Plan.
They
wouldn't
apply
in
this
case,
because
this
is
a
zoning
amendment
and
not
an
official
plan
amendment.
So
the
the
policies
that
we're
looking
at
that
are
appeal
are
of
a
different
nature.
So
the
two
that
have
been
approved
and
that
are
currently
in
effect,
would
be
the
conversion.
F
H
Your
Mountain
chair,
no,
they
wouldn't
have
so.
The
conversion
was
the
actual
conversion
of
the
interior
space
within
an
existing
building.
The
one
thing,
I
would
add,
was,
in
addition
to
the
landscape,
to
open
space
provision
that
was
added
as
part
of
the
response
to
the
interim
Control
bylaw.
We
also
added
the
amenity
area
requirements,
so
those
standards
would
apply
to
this
proposal.
H
F
A
F
So
you
heard
what
about
the
conversation.
It
was
quite
quite
a
big
conversation
involved.
Many
many
participants
in
an
extra
public
meeting
at
in
Memorial
Hall
to
talk
about
the
interim
Control
bylaw.
It
was
very
controversial
and
it
was
a
split
vote
at
Council.
Ultimately,
Council
did
not
support
the
new
trim
control
by
law,
but
but
we're
grateful
for
the
changes
that
were
proposed
by
staff
as
a
as
an
alternative,
some
of
which,
as
you
heard,
were
just
under
appeal
or
under
appeal
and
don't
apply
to
this
particular
application.
F
All
we'd
like
to
say,
is
basically
if
the
perception
in
in
my
neighborhood
I
received
17
direct
complaints
about
this
from
residents,
some
of
whom
are
here
tonight
to
speak
about
it
and
I
and
and
and
it
will
be
important
to
determine
what
is
reality
and
what
is
perception.
But
the
perception
is
that
this
kind
of
density
added
in
this
area
right
beside
the
school
will
unbalance
the
neighborhood
that,
because
of
the
proximity
to
the
school,
is
very
desirable
for
families
who
have
good
children
of
school
age
and
that
demographic.
F
Although
the
student
demographic
is,
of
course,
always
growing,
Kista
queens
is
always
expanding.
The
demographic
of
school-aged
children
in
my
district
is
exploding
right
now
there
are
seven
out
of
12
classrooms
at
my
mike
daughter's
school,
seven
out
of
12
Catherines
for
kindergarten
and
grade
one
only
so.
In
other
words,
more
than
half
of
my
daughter's
school
is
dedicated
to
only
kindergarten
and
grade
one
classes
that
is
in
Sydenham.
B
B
B
A
Thank
you,
but
that
I'd
like
to
open
this
to
members
of
the
public.
We
have
a
microphone
on
this
side
and
there's
a
microphone
just
on
that
side.
If
you
could,
when
you
come
forward
name
an
address
limit
five
minutes
and
mr.
Keene
will
respond
in
total
at
the
end,
when
all
the
comments
and
opinions
have
been
heard,
and
he
will
respond
as
much
as
he
can
and
after
that,
of
course,
you
still
have
your
the
planner
on
file
to
speak
to.
But
tonight
is
your
chance
to
tell
us
you'd
like
to
come.
J
J
Perfect,
hopefully,
that's
better,
so
why
is
it
that
council
of
the
planning
committee
should
refuse
to
accept
these
bylaw
amendment
requests,
as
we
heard
from
the
photon
representative,
the
area
is
zoned
for
low-density,
severing
this
lot
and
putting
in
an
additional
ten
bedrooms
to
what
already
has.
As
he
stated,
seven
bedrooms
would
actually
tip
this
lot
itself
over
to
medium
density
and
fill
is
important
and
the
Official
Plan
is
pointing
that
out
that
some
modest
infill
to
me,
ten
bedroom
is
not
Madisonville.
J
Ten
bedroom
in
the
backyard
of
a
house
is
a
little
bit
more
and,
as
you
can
see
here,
that's
a
picture
of
Winston,
so
this
10
bedroom
semi
would
be
budding
right
up.
Next
to
my
kids,
school
heard
the
from
what
I
read
the
lot
is
not
big
enough
for
a
single-family
dwelling,
a
single-family
dwelling
needs
to
be
on
a
lot.
That's
over
three
hundred
and
seventy
meters
squared
this
semi-detached
would
be
on
a
332
meters,
squared
lock,
so
you're
putting
in
two
houses
on
what
isn't
large
enough
for
one
similar
exceptions
in
the
area.
J
J
We've
kind
of
pointed
out
that
severing
this
isn't
big
enough
for
a
single-family
home.
So
if
it's
not
big
enough
for
one,
why
would
we
then
make
it
2
and
as
of
right,
converting
it
from
1
to
2?
As
you
saw
from
the
picture
across
the
street
of
the
previous
house,
they
made
it
a
2
bedroom
or
a
2
dwelling
unit
by
attaching
fireplace
exit
between
the
two
houses
and
called
it
a
2.
So
this
is
their
way
around
making
it
a
duplex.
J
So
if
you
now
take
away
a
laneway
that
the
other
four
houses
have
and
you
take
away
the
two
parking
spots
for
both
of
the
retained
and
the
new
severed
lot,
I
still
don't
see
how
a
house
this
size
could
actually
maintain
a
yard
for
a
family
to
to
raise
their
kids
in
and
to
play
in
and
as
well.
There's
to
me
serious
safety
concerns
on
the
picture
on
this
side.
You
can
see
this
is
where
kids
walk
home
and
often
some
of
these
kids
or
as
young
as
three
when
they
start
school.
J
J
This
is
actually
my
daughter's
classroom
window.
So
this
would
be
the
view
that
the
new
bedrooms
would
have
into
grade
four,
as
I
was
actually
in
the
room,
I
could
watch
this
current
house
is
TV
and
that's
on
the
old
lot.
So
to
me,
if
you
have
a
10
bedroom
place,
budding
right
up
to
to
the
school
safety-wise,
kids
identities.
That's
a
concern!
Sorry,
a
little
emotion,
I
think
taking
a
harder
look
at
this
and
actually
applying
the
bylaws
that
are
being
enacted
to
protect
and
do
modest
and
Phil
is
important.
J
I
think
you
guys
will
be
getting
a
copy
of
this,
so
you
I'm,
not
gonna,
read
it
because
you're
all
very
intelligent
people,
but
I,
don't
believe
it
meets
the
minimal
required
amenity
space.
If
you
actually
divide
the
house
into
as
it
was
proposed
until
it
changed
tonight,
it
didn't
meet
green
space.
Open
landscaped
they'll,
definitely
be
negative
impact
and
privacy
by
overlook
of
the
building
budding
right
up
to
the
school
and
the
windows
risks
to
the
students
walking
to
school.
J
The
school
principal
was
even
concerned
with
the
size,
and
the
density
that
was
proposed
right
next
to
her
school
as
well
as
it
to
me
requires
a
whole
new
zoning.
If
you're
going
from
low
density
to
medium
density,
that's
a
different
proposal
than
what
I'm
seeing
here
and
there's
a
lot
of
other
small
stuff.
I
J
Yeah
I
will
let
you
read
tomorrow,
but
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
Kingston
is
a
great
place
to
raise
families
and
a
great
place
to
raise
kids
and
a
lot
of
us
like
being
right
downtown
where
we
can
walk
to
Queens,
to
work
or
to
the
hospital,
and
so
I
really
hope
that
you'll
consider
turning
this
down,
and
hopefully
they
can
come
up
with
a
smaller
infill
proposal.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
K
Hi
there
can
you
hear
me
great.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Marcus
Taylor
I
live
sort
of
diagonally
opposite
from
two
six,
eight
Victoria,
Street
and
I
do
appreciate
the
professionalism
of
the
presentation
you've
given,
but
I
feel
that
this
is
three
very
compelling
reasons
to
exercise
extreme
caution
about
this
proposal.
The
first
one.
It
strikes
me
that,
if
we're
talking
about
eight
exemptions
from
bylaws,
the
word
minor
disappears
away,
we're
far
from
minor
infill.
Here
we're
talking
about
an
extremely
high
density
of
urban
of
housing
space
in
a
small
lot.
K
The
notion
that
this
would
be
bought
by
a
family
which
you've
already
said,
there's
seven
students
living
on
a
lot
at
the
moment
and
that's
a
good-sized
lot.
But
now
it's
going
to
be
tiny
houses
next
to
each
other.
Is
it's
treacherous
belief?
So
we
should
put
that
aside.
This
will
be
student
rental
and
the
idea
of
having
seventeen
students
on
this
relatively
small
land
is.
It
goes
beyond
mine,
intensification,
but
in
any
practical
term
for
those
of
us
living
around
it.
So
this
makes
me
extremely
concerned.
K
If
we
have
to
ask
for
eight
exemptions
for
bylaws,
then
we
may
as
well
say
the
Bible's
don't
apply
and
change
them
fundamentally
at
the
root.
So
you
don't
have
to
this
is
not
just
bending
the
law,
it's
giving
it
a
real
shot
well
into
another
zone.
I
really
feel
this
is
pushing
the
the
sort
of
the
sense
behind
law
beyond
what
it
should
be.
Sustaining
second
things,
obviously
the
school
and
and
quite
clear,
might
might
my
children
as
well
or
in
the
classrooms
right
behind
here
that
look
upon
this
site.
K
I
cannot
imagine
the
amount
of
disruption
to
the
school
when
this
construction
goes
through
is
hard
enough.
Keeping
kids
focused
on
one
classes
without
a
building
site
next
door,
and
then,
of
course,
you
had
for
at
least
three
windows
on
the
house
coming
through.
It
was
going
to
be
right
up
against
them.
This
is
unique.
There
is
no
other
house
that
close
to
this
school
on
this
entire
lot,
nothing.
So
this
is
absolutely
breaking
new
ground.
With
this,
you
should
be
cause
for
concern.
I.
K
Think,
in
that
respect
alone,
why
we
need
to
push
up
and
what
kind
of
precedent
this
says
it
strikes
me
as
a
little
concerning
so
I
am
I
am
worried
for
that
thing.
But
the
third
reason,
I
think,
is
the
most
important
because
the
previous
presentation
spoke
to
those
earlier
issues
very
eloquently
and
the
third
one
is
the
you
know
beyond
illegalities
and
all
the
plans
etc.
It
is
something
far
more
important
here
and
that's
the
issue
of
the
neighborhood
has
community
right
and
at
the
moment
this
community
is
in
flux.
K
The
neighborhood
has
been
changing
primarily
because
these
bylaws
keep
getting
shifted
and
these
kind
of
dwellings
forced
intense
student
habitation,
keep
getting
built
and
the
feeling
of
the
ghettoization
of
this
area
now
there's
many
families
living
in
this
area
still,
but
we
do
find
that
this
is
a
mixed
area
and
we
actually
enjoy
it
having
students
and
families.
It
creates
a
good
thing,
but
it
takes
a
lot
of
work.
A
lot
of
work
I
have
to
go,
and
I
have
to
talk
to
the
houses
around
its
taught
to
the
students.
K
K
To
make
them
know-
and
you
have
to
go
this
one
long
so
then,
when
my
daughter
wakes
me
up
at
11
o'clock
on
Saturday
night
and
says
daddy,
the
men
next-door
running
naked
up
the
street
to
gain
singing
songs,
then
I
have
to
go
over
there
deal
with
the
drunk
student,
say:
hey
guys,
come
on
put
your
clothes
on
and
get
in
I'm,
not
joking
here
at
Halloween
was
another
one
and
by
the
way,
the
the
repeats
of
students
renting
the
house
on
to
6:00
a.m.
I'm,
not
particularly
cooperative
they're,
not
setting
a
good
example.
K
So
this
this
landlord
is
not
doing
a
great
job
at
the
moment
of
bringing
high
quality
tenants
at
the
homecoming.
There
was
an
incident
where
they
did
not
respond
agreeably
to
being
asked
to
tone
down
their
partying.
So
you
know
the
not
got
a
good
sense
here,
so
this
is
it.
You
know
it
takes
a
lot
of
work
to
manage.
Tara
takes
a
lot
of
work
that
those
living
here
to
foster
a
sense
of
community
and
you
put
in
another
10
students
on
a
top
of
the
7
there.
K
This
breeds
the
kind
of
thing
we
cannot
handle.
We
can't
got
the
time
the
energy
to
keep
sort
of
going
over
and
trying
to
work
with
them.
Saying,
hey,
look
you're
part
of
a
residential
neighborhood
here,
take
two
tone:
it
down
guys.
You
will
appreciate
the
silence
when
it
comes
to
exam
time,
etc.
It
takes
a
lot
of
work,
you're
really
going
to
take
the
point
beyond
the
threshold.
When
we
can
do
that
work,
and
we
want
to
do
that
work,
we
don't
want
to
be
driven
out.
K
This
kind
of
thing,
I'm,
afraid,
is
pushing
us
beyond
limit.
It
really
is
making
a
qualitative
change
in
the
neighborhood,
and
it's
something
that
we
can't
keep
taking
on,
because
it's
just
getting
too
big.
So
on
that
sense
of
community
of
creating
a
community
in
which
both
students
and
households
with
family
etc
can
both
living
the
great
neighborhood.
It
is
know
this
is
becoming.
You
know
ghettoization
we've
seen
what
happens
further
down
closer
to
the
university.
It's
starting
to
creep
up
I.
K
Ask
you
please
to
reject
this
application
to
maintain
the
status
quo
so
that
those
of
us
are
live
with.
Families
in
this
area
can
continue
doing
the
good
work
of
working
with
the
students
to
having
responsible
relationships.
This
is
time
to
push
us
over
to
the
edge.
So
please
reject
this
proposal.
Thank
you.
A
L
Hi
I'm
Kim
Connelly
I
live
around
the
corner
from
this
proposed
housing
development.
18
years
ago.
My
husband
and
I
bought
the
house
in
part
because
of
its
proximate
proximity
to
read
a
public
school
for
French,
immersion
and
kgh.
As
my
husband
is
a
neonatologist
and
needs
to
have
a
quick
response
time
to
get
to
the
hospital
we
have
to
live
in
this
area.
It's
not
a
choice.
L
I
am
against
this
building
and
I
have
a
couple
of
reasons,
and
some
of
them
are
actually
shared
amongst
everybody
else.
But
I
just
want
to
reiterate
what
they
said.
The
first
one
is
there's
already
a
house
on
this
property
and
they
already
have
problems
managing
the
tenants
that
are
currently
there.
Personally
I
have
made
multiple
calls
to
security,
Queen
security,
the
Kingston
Police
by
law
and
property
standards.
They
can't
manage
one
house
on
this
property.
I
can't
imagine
how
they're
going
to
manage
three.
L
Adding
second
point
is
adding
more
student
housing
is
going
to
increase
the
student
population
in
an
area
already
densely
populated
by
students.
This
is
pushing
families
out
of
the
neighborhood
18
years
ago.
When
we
bought
our
house,
there
was
one
rental
on
the
street.
Today
we
have
eight
families
left
out
of
23.
The
families
that
have
left
have
left
because
of
the
student
noise
and
the
litter
that
is
associated
with
student
rentals.
L
My
third
concern
is
increasing.
Population
in
this
way
creates
a
segregation
of
a
group
of
people
from
the
main
population.
Our
goal
should
be
to
be
diverse
populations,
not
segregated
ones,
segregated
populations
make
it
hard
to
enforce
the
rules,
if
no
one
is
following
them.
For
example,
if
my
neighbor
doesn't
pick
up
their
garbage,
the
other
neighbor
won't
pick
up
their
garbage
and
so
on,
and
so
on
down
the
street.
L
If
one
neighbor
parks
on
the
front
lawn,
which
is
becoming
more
and
more
common,
because
there
is
not
enough
parking
space,
then
the
other
neighbor
will
Park
on
the
front
lawn
it
goes
on
and
on
and
on
one
person
sees
someone
drinking
beer
on
the
street.
The
other
person
thinks
that
this
is
acceptable,
so
they
do
it.
So
it's
like,
as
like.
L
According
to
an
article
written
by
the
Urban
Land
Institute,
which
is
a
global
organization
responsible
for
providing
leadership
in
the
responsible
use
of
land
and
in
creating
sustaining
thriving
communities
worldwide,
they
say
that
an
example
of
a
bad
density
is
segregated
groups,
say
you're,
segregated
groups
contribute
to
ghetto
ghetto.
Sorry
ghetto
ization
of
neighborhoods
and
the
benefit
of
the
university
town
is
to
increase.
Is
the
increase
in
diversity?
So
why
are
we
allowing
this
segregation?
L
L
My
next
concern
is
about
the
school
and
it's
the
disruptive
behavior
that
the
tenants
in
this
particular
house
have
been
displaying
and
particularly
in
warm
wet
weather,
they
will
have
loud,
music
blaring
any
time
of
the
day
they
have
their
swearing,
they're
playing
they're
having
their
beer
pong
games
going
on
at
2:00
in
the
afternoon
and
I.
Just
don't
know
that
that's
appropriate
behavior
to
be
exhibiting
beside
a
school
one.
M
N
L
Not
only
the
behavior
is
the
glass
on
the
street
that
is
constant
on
that
street
and
allowing
this
building
to
go
through
will
effectively
ruin
any
chance
of
this
beautiful
house
being
converted
back
to
a
family
home.
One
last
thing,
I
want
to
say
perhaps
cities
with
good
densities
are
not
necessarily
high
density
or
low
density,
but
are
ones
in
which
people
with
a
vested
interest
in
the
welfare
of
the
urban
fabric
and
urban
experience
have
the
opportunity
to
make
or
influence
decisions.
O
So
I'm
opposing
the
application
as
it
currently
is
being
presented.
The
wad
is
too
small
for
the
new
higher
density
being
proposed.
Those
points
have
been
made
before
my
next
one
is
new.
The
planner
slides
as
presented
tonight
didn't
accurately
show
the
latest
proposals,
so
that's
confusing
and
a
professional.
In
my
view,
it
was
a
high
school
presentation.
You'd
be
marked
down.
Mr.
O
The
land
board
struggles
in
managing
the
property
has
already
planted
out
by
the
neighbors
points
to
me
for
a
need
to
license
landlords
in
the
City
of
Kingston
going
forward
now,
I
don't
live
right
there,
but
I
could
potentially
support
severance
with
one
new
single
house
on
the
lot
with
four
to
five
bedrooms.
The
tan
proposed
is
too
much.
Thank
you.
Thank.
M
M
Vi
I
have,
since
the
dozen
years
I've
lived
here,
I've
seen
many
many
family
homes,
where
families
have
moved
away,
whether
it's
due
to
noise
or
garbage
or
parking
on
front
yards
they've,
moved
away
to
more
family-friendly,
neighborhoods
and
said
a
lot
of
conversions
where
houses
they
say
well.
They'll
still
be
available
for
families,
but
are
really
truly
being
converted
into
student
rentals.
For
example,
seventy-six
Center,
which
we
raised
our
concerns
about.
M
There's
a
recent
build
on
Collingwood
I'm
concerned
about
another
one,
a
family
home
being
converted
to
two
how
students
on
Edgehill
I'm,
not
against
students,
I,
think
it's
great
the
diversity
in
a
community
but
we're
past
that
tipping
balance.
Now,
where
we
have
more
and
more
families
and
retired
people
who
don't
want
to
live
in
our
neighborhood
anymore,
it,
the
ghetto,
is
growing
and
getting
larger
and
larger,
and
you
know
that
by
the
stories
of
homecoming
parties
getting
further
and
further
away
from
the
core
of
the
university
there's
more
and
more
houses.
M
Now
that
have
10
20
students
packed
in
you
walk
around
the
neighborhood
and
you
see
more
and
more
yards
front
yards
with
cars
parked
on
them
or
if
you
peer
into
the
BA,
it's
a
parking
lot
in
the
back.
They
don't
have
any
yard
space
anymore,
so
they're
not
likely
to
be
converted
back
to
a
family
home.
The
I
I
was
very
happy
and
impressed
with
the
work
that
the
city
has
done
with
Lanny
hurdle.
M
You
spoke
about
you,
know,
density,
comes
down
to
mathematics
and
that
you
know
rear
yard
and
landscape
yard.
It's
just
a
zoning
thing:
it's
not
it's
our
neighborhood!
It's
where
we
lived.
If
you
were
to
go
ahead
and
build
that
those
houses
would
not
go
back
to
family
homes,
they
have
no
a
yard
and
then
from
how
close
it
is
to
Winston
I
mean
if
you
clocked,
by
places
around
the
I'm
out
the
air
quote
five
days,
that
we
picking
up
and
dropping
off
kids
from
swim
practice
and
in
a
lot
of
windows.
M
There's
big
Coors,
Light
posters
or
other
things
that
you
know
aren't
appropriate.
But
you
know
that's
I
kind
of
say.
Well,
that's
a
birdie
or
that's
Earl,
Street
right
across
from
the
arch,
but
this
is
right.
Beside
a
school,
so
who's
gonna.
Stop
the
student
from
putting
up
some
inappropriate
poster
that
there's
the
the
the
classroom
that
both
my
daughter's
went
to.
One
of
them
was
just
last
last
year,
so
are
they
gonna
have
to
have
their
blinds
pulled
down
the
whole
time,
so
they
don't
see
in
a
perfect
weather.
M
It's
a
poster
of
you
know
promoting
drinking.
We
know
we
have
a
drinking
problem
with
students
and
it's
been
linked
to
a
lot
of
mental
health
issues.
So
why
are
we
sort
of
letting
just
our
young
kids
be
exposed
to
that?
It
is
really
really
concerns.
Me
I
think
our
neighborhood,
it's
it's
not
even
on
a
tipping
point.
Now
it's
going
completely
the
other
way
that
the
density
is.
The
diversity
is
going
down,
we're
having
more
and
more
students
move
in
and
I'm,
not
against.
M
Students
I
have
students
who
live
behind
me
that
whenever
I
can
we
pull
any
shared
driveway
I
talk
to
them.
I
know
one
of
their
parents,
it's
great,
but
when
there
are
so
many
students,
as
the
previous
gentleman
said,
you
can't
get
to
know
all
these
students
and
when
you
do
have
students
who
are
misbehaving,
it's
a
very
contentious
relationship.
The
house-
that's
currently,
there
always
has
lawn
chairs
on
the
roof
over
the
front
door.
This
is
not
there's
no
railing.
This
is
not
a
balcony.
M
So
there's
already
concerns
about
this
house
and
now
now
we're
going
to
have
a
duplex
with
no
my
yard
space
and
parking
issues
and
with
ten
bedrooms
we're
going
to
have
more
issues.
So
we
asked
the
city.
You
know
we
told
you
we're
very
very
concerned
about
the
health
and
stability
of
our
neighborhood,
this
just
to
backs
up
our
concern
about
more
and
more
days,
houses
being
converted
to
student
houses
that
can't
go
back
to
family
homes.
So
I
asked
you
to
reject
this
proposal.
P
My
name
is
Daniel
Weisberg
property
owner
at
250,
Victoria
Street
and
3
6
8,
Victoria,
Street
and
I
just
learned
tonight
that
they're
gonna
try
to
retain
the
laneway
the
right
of
way
and
I've
sent
all
these
documents
to
Jason
sands,
but
basically
I
have
on
my
deed.
I
purchased
a
property
in
2005
and
I
have
on
my
deed,
clearly
right
away,
it's
parcel
and
I'm,
not
gonna,
read
it
all.
I
mean
it's
getting
late
already
here,
but
basically
I
have
the
it's
a
separate
parcel
and
I
have
a
right-of-way
on
15
feet.
P
There
were
garage
at
the
semi
it
burnt
down
a
few
years
ago,
because
kids
were
doing
drugs
or
whatever
back
there,
but
anyways.
We
still
use
the
Langley
for
parking.
If
there
is
a
dwelling,
that's
gonna
block
it.
My
unit,
along
with
my
neighbor,
we
will
have
no
parking
for
the
current
tenants
I.
Also
besides
having
it
on
the
deed
when
I
bought
it
I
have
an
affidavit
from
the
previous
owner,
which
was
the
best
corporation.
P
They
owned
it
since
1990,
confirming
that
the
right-of-way
was
always
used
and
that
they
have
this
deeded
right
away
way.
Back
to
1988
and
obviously
we'll
have
all
this
stuff
for
you
guys
and
then
also
there's
a
letter
from
mr.
Marc
Weisberg.
He
he's
owned,
289
Frontenac
Street
since
September,
19
and
73,
and
he
confirms
that
to
the
best
of
his
knowledge
that
this
right
away
in
the
back
has
always
been
used.
There's
always
been
a
laneway
there.
So
that's
I,
guess
one
of
my
main
promos,
my
main
opponent.
N
N
N
It's
not
because
you
know
it's
because
you're
gonna
try
to
get
whatever
you
can
for
your
property
and
somebody
who
wants
to
speculate
and
rentals
can
afford
to
pay
more
for
that
than
a
single
family,
and
so
that's
gonna
happen.
Who's
gonna
continue
to
happen,
and-
and
people
have
said
this
before
and
I
think
they've
said
it
very
well.
N
This
is
the
fact
that
this
particular
proposal
I
think
just
encourages
more
of
the
of
the
same.
All
right
I
mean
this
is
notice
that
they
have
to
be
up.
You
know
up
front
about
this.
This
is
going
to
be
a
rental.
There's
no
question
about
that.
You
can
say
that
it
can
be
to
single
family,
but
it's
not
the
location
for
two
single
families.
It's
not
the
kind
of
property
to
single
families.
We
want
to
have
it's
not
the
location
to
single
families
we
want
to
have,
and
so
I
am
posed
to
that.
N
Just
that
proposal
just
be
because
I
think
it
encourages
the
kind
of
incursion
of
student
dwellings
in
the
inner
region
which,
in
an
area
which
should
be
single-family
dwellings,
I'd
love
to
see
all
of
Victoria
Street
go
back
to
where
it
was.
It's
never
gonna
happen,
but
with
the
proximity
of
the
schools
and
the
location
it
is,
it
would
be
just
ideal
for
singing
single
families.
So
I
am
opposed
to
that.
At
this
proposal,
I
I
raise
a
different
objection
when
I
wrote
to
mr.
N
sands,
but
after
hearing
other
people
speak
I
just
wanted
to
mention
the
fact
that
the
the
neighborhood
has
changed
dramatically
in
the
last
25
years
and
not
to
the
better
I,
don't
think
and
to
the
better.
But
that's
the
way
it
is
so
I
just
like
to
voice
my
objections
to
this
proposal
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
N
A
Q
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
chair.
My
name
is
J
Andrew
grant.
I
live
at
six
one.
Six
Earl
Street
here
in
Kingston
I'd,
like
to
thank
the
speaker
for
his
presentation
and
for
meeting
with
us
tonight.
I
know,
there's
a
number
of
submissions
that
were
somebody
prior
to
the
meeting
and
you
did
a
great
job,
I
think
in
some
ways
trying
to
summarize
those
points
from
the
difference
contributions
and
you
show
us
lots
of
great
photos.
Q
Q
Really
what
the
submission
spoke
about
were
issues
around
the
safety
of
the
young
children
going
back
and
forth
school
and
other
pedestrians
right
alongside
where
the
proposed
site
will
be
so
that
was
actually
the
point
that
people
were
trying
to
make
and
myself
in
terms
of
you
know,
I
appreciate
the
photos
you
had
I
have
some
photos
myself,
I'm
open
I
could
submit
these
a
moment.
This
is
taken
less
than
a
month
ago,
right
on
the
property
at
268.
Q
Victoria
Street,
it's
broken
beer
bottles
that
were
there
from
homecoming
for
roughly
one
week
and
they
got
ground
down.
This
is
about
3
and
a
half
days
after
I
guess
the
glass
was
broken,
two
beer
bottles,
so
they
kind
of
ground
down
well,
and
so
myself
I
walked
past
from
the
morning
and
then
in
the
evening.
Q
But
of
course
dozens
and
dozens
of
young
children
walk
along
the
same
path,
and
so
some
of
the
respondents
have
talked
about
the
your
clients
not
or
having
some
trouble
reining
in
the
the
current
renters
at
268,
Victoria
Street,
and
so
it
just
took
roughly
one
week
to
get
cleaned
up
now.
What
confidence
do
we
have
that
with
this
new
addition
that
the
your
clients
will
be
able
to
ensure
safety
of
especially
children
but
other
residents,
a
neighborhood
from
these
things
like
the
broken
glass?
Q
Those
of
us
who
live
in
Kingston
for
any
amount
of
time
know
that
there's
a
number
of
these
sorts
of
parties
when
classes
end
in
December
when
classes
end
in
April
st.
Patrick's
Day.
It
goes
on
and
on
so
it's
not
just
homecoming.
So
what
confidence
do
we
have
that
your
clients,
adding
10
new
residents,
this
tiny
spot
will
be
able
to
rectify
these
concerns?
Q
A
R
R
The
reason
I
hired
from
that
property
management
to
run
this
property,
in
addition
to
the
other
eight
rental
properties
that
I
have
in
this
city,
is
because
they
are
the
best
property
management
firm
in
the
city,
to
my
knowledge
and
specifically
they're
supposed
to
address
this
type
of
issue
so
that
you
don't
have
to
live
with
kids
living
outside
of
the
bounds
of
proper
behavior.
So
quite
outside
of
everything
attending
with
the
application
before
you
today.
R
You
should
each
have
my
personal
commitment
that
I'll
be
speaking
with
the
president
of
fronting
a
property
management
tomorrow,
just
in
our
Ridge,
and
see
that
those
students
are
spoken
with
and
see
that
those
students
are
given
the
strongest
possible
message
they
can
within
the
boundaries
of
permissible
actions
by
a
landlord
to
see
that
they
represent
themselves
appropriately
and
properly
and
our
better
representatives
within
your
community
and
to
the
extent
that
that
has
not
gone
on
since
these
students
have
taken
possession
in
May.
This
would
be
the
first
I
have
heard
of
it.
R
A
B
B
Thank
you,
I
have
the
zoning
tables
in
my
presentation
at
the
end.
Just
so,
I
can
speak
to
some
of
these
things,
because
one
of
the
points
that's
been
brought
up
is
that
this
is
not
a
minor
application
and
and
I
first
of
all
will
agree
with
that.
This
is
not
a
minor
application
that
is
before
this
committee.
This
is
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
and
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment.
The
test
that
it
has
to
pass
is
whether
or
not
it
conforms
to
the
Official
Plan.
B
So
in
looking
at
the
provisions
that
we
we
are
seeking
to
amend
on
the
retain
lot,
we
need
to
amend
the
lot
area
which
will
actually
slightly
increase
if
we
proceed
with
the
change
that
I've
discussed
tonight
in
the
lot
line
adjustment,
the
minimum
front
yard-
that
is
a
that
is
the
existing
house
or
the
existing
house-
is
1.9
meters
away
from
the
street,
so
we
are
seeking
to
legalize
that
setback
and
then
the
similar.
Similarly,
you
can
see
where
it
says
a
budding
street
4.5
meters.
B
The
house
is
only
one
foot
from
the
property
line:
they're
0.4
meters,
and
then
we
were
originally
proposing
to
amend
the
amenity
area
down
to
25%
and
just
to
reassure
folks
in
the
room.
The
amenity
areas
do
not
count
parking
areas.
They
are
true
green
areas
that
surround
the
property.
So
that
is
one
area
that
will
not
require
change
with
the
removal
of
the
garage.
B
That
also
means
we
have
our
projection
issue
the
same
as
the
existing
house,
where
the
deck
would
come
closer
and
therefore
require
an
amendment.
So
those
are
the
amendments
that
are
required.
It
relates
to
area
and
front
yard
on
the
the
new
house
and
the
old
house.
It
really
is
area
outside
of
addressing
the
existing
uses
and
I
think
you
know
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
that
I
think
this
city
faces
and
I
think.
B
A
lot
of
the
input
that
we
receive
tonight
does
relate
a
lot
to
property
management
and
enforcement
and
I
have
to
be
careful
as
a
land
use
planner
because
as
a
land
use,
planner
I
have
to
base
my
decisions
based
on
form
and
not
on
tenure
and
I
do
believe.
A
semi-detached
house
is
an
appropriate
form
of
dwelling
at
this
location
that
it
has
appropriate
parking
and
setbacks.
I.
B
This
project
is
attempting
to
strike
that
balance
with
respect
to
you
know,
issues
like
parking
and
front
yard
parking,
those
are
enforceable
matters
and-
and
if
there
are
people
parking
on
the
front
yard
in
your
neighborhood,
it's
not
on
a
driveway.
It's
on
the
front
walkway
to
the
steps.
Those
are
enforceable
matters
that
you
should
bring
to
the
attention
of
the
city
and
they
can
do
something
about
it.
B
There
was
a
question
raised
about
why
I
wouldn't
show
the
new
proposal
tonight
and,
and
that's
because
what
I
show
in
a
public
meeting
is
what
has
been
put
on
to
the
computer
system.
That
is
before
the
public.
It
is
what
all
people
have
access
to,
because
many
people
responded
to
this
application
and
early
I
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
my
client
about
how
we
might
address
some
of
the
comments
that
have
been
raised.
B
B
I
believe
that
I
believe
I've
addressed
the
matters
and
you
know
I
think
the
owner
of
the
property
I
think
has
taken
the
comments
to
heart
as
well
and
I.
Think
you
can
be
assured
that
he
will
be
speaking
to
his
property
manager
about
those
tenant
related
matters
and
hopefully
make
your
neighborhood
a
better
place.
I'm
pleased
to
answer
any
other
questions
of
the
committee.
D
We
are
supposed
to
base
our
decisions
on
land
use
planning
only
which
definitely
ties
our
hands,
because
you
have
legitimate
concerns
that
are
based
on
the
nature
of
the
tenants
of
the
occupants
in
your
area,
and
I
now
represent
Williamsville,
which
has
the
same
headaches
with
a
large
student
population
in
one
area.
I'm
I'm
not
saying
this
to
diminish
the
merit
of
your
argument.
I'm
just
suggesting
I
almost
said
when
you
go
to
the
OMB.
D
The
the
law
states
that
that
those
are
supposed
to
be
the
only
concerns
when
it
comes
to
and
I
know,
that's
frustrating
it's
frustrating
for
me.
It
was
frustrating
when
I
lived
on
Traymore
Avenue
as
well,
but
that's
that's
the
unfortunate
reality
of
what
we're
doing
here
so,
but
definitely
continue
to
bring
forth
arguments
that
are
based
on
land-use
planning
issues.
So
thank
you.
H
A
It's
been
a
tough
year
and
I
certainly
understand
the
feelings
in
the
room
right
now
and
if
there
are
any
other
questions
with
that,
I
will
then
close
this
public
meeting
and
remind
you
that
mr.
sands
is
still
available
for
your
comments
and
questions
to
be
an
intermediary
with
the
owners
and
and
mr.
Keene
as
well.
So
this
is
an
open
project
until
the
comprehensive
report
comes
so
staff
are
available
for
comments
and
asking
about
changes
until
the
comprehensive
report.
Thank
you
with
that.
I
will
I'm.
D
Sorry
can
I
just
before
you
declare
us
closed.
Could
I
ask
a
quick
question
of
staff
under
our
new
and
improved
planning
process
when
this
comes
back
with
a
comprehensive
report,
will
there
be
another
public
meeting
that
the
public
will
have
an
opportunity
to
speak
to
the
comprehensive
report?
Yes,.
H
H
I
A
S
S
The
subject
site
is
made
up
of
two
apartment
buildings
with
a
surface
parking
lot
serving
those
buildings
to
the
west
are
a
number
of
similar
structures
and
to
the
north,
a
low-density
residential
neighborhood
to
the
south,
the
CN
spur
line
in
the
front
neck
mall
to
the
west.
There's
a
vacant
parcel
before
Centennial
Drive,
a
very
large
lots
to
show
over
12,000
square
meters,
150
meters
of
frontage
there's
two
existing
apartment
buildings.
They
both
been
there
since
about
1990
117
units
combined
between
the
two
mix
of
mostly
two
bedrooms.
S
The
application
is
being
filed
essentially
because
there,
because
of
the
requirements
of
the
city's
water,
bylaw,
there's
two
existing
water
services
to
the
two
buildings
they
were
installed
at
the
time
and
the
buildings
were
constructed.
The
city's
water
by
law
doesn't
allow
for
two
water
connections
to
the
lot,
so
we
have
to
sever
the
property
as
part
of
a
condo
application.
That's
been
filed
as
well,
so
the
rezoning
is
simply
to
allow
the
lot
to
be
severed.
S
Recognizing
existing
conditions
that
don't
comply
with
the
current
bylaw
requirements,
so
other
applications
have
been
filed,
include
a
consent
application
to
sever
the
launch
which
triggered
the
rezoning.
Also
a
site
plan.
Amendment
application
to
update
the
site
plan
to
facilitate
the
condo
application
which
has
been
filed
to
convert
the
current
rental
units
into
condominium
units.
I
should
mention
that
the
owners
of
the
site
are
the
kinsman
club
of
Kingston,
so
they
run
a
number
of
before
will
provide
a
number
of
affordable
housing
units
in
the
city.
S
All
of
these
would
kind
of
fall
into
that
umbrella,
as
well
as
a
number
of
other
units
throughout
the
city.
The
intention
here
is
to
convert
the
rental
units
into
affordable
homeownership
options
whereby
the
kinsmen
provide
a
second
mortgage,
that's
forgivable,
to
potential
homeowners
to
buy
these
condos
and
give
them
an
opportunity
to
own
a
own,
a
home
that
they
probably
otherwise
wouldn't
be
able
to
under
normal
conditions
or
normal
market
requirements.
S
So
that's
the
that's
what
kick-started
all
of
this
it's
kind
of
spiraled
into
having
to
do
this
consent
and
zoning
bylaw
amendment
to
satisfy
the
water
bylaw,
so
the
the
application
will
just
seek
relief
from
certain
provisions
of
the
bylaw
again
as
existing
conditions
created
by
the
consent.
So
the
conceptual
site
plan,
which
is
probably
a
little
hard
to
read
essentially,
as
you
saw
in
the
air,
photo
there's
two
buildings,
one
on
the
east
side,
one
on
the
west
side,
a
large
parking
lot
between
and
then
large
green
spaces
around
the
building.
S
Zoning
bylaw
it's
a
bit
of
an
interesting
situation
in
terms
of
the
existing
zoning
of
the
area,
so
this
whole
block
north
of
the
fryin
ACT
mall
and
south
of
Kingsdale,
is
all
zoned
our
for
our
4-10.
The
zoning
is
written
in
such
a
way
that
it's
combined
zoning
so
the
whole
all
properties
combined
can
only
have
the
kind
of
a
certain
number
of
units,
for
example,
so
it
means
separating
this
site
out
into
its
own
site-specific,
our
4
12
or
15
zone,
for
example,
and
putting
its
own
own
zone
to
address
the
site.
S
Specific
provisions
of
the
of
the
lot
so
what's
being
amended
or
addressed
through
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment.
Recognizing
existing
conditions
is
landscaped
open
space
40%,
the
bylaw,
the
Kingston
Township
Bala
required
45
play
space.
Implementing
new
standards
for
play,
space
essentially
zero
required
in
this.
In
this
space,
these
programs
play
space
a
lot
area,
reducing
it
from
16,000
to
12,000,
recognizing,
what's
existing
and
then
also
recognizing
a
minor
reduction
in
the
West
interior
side
yard
and
then
parking
reduction
from
1.25
per
unit
to
1.2.
S
C
Certainly
through
you,
the
application
was
circulated
in
accordance
with
the
Planning
Act,
that
included
circulation
to
95
property
owners
within
120
meter,
radius,
on-site
signage
was
posted
and
also
a
courtesy
I,
just
placing
the
league
standard.
Thank
you.
Oh
sorry,
to
date,
there's
been
no
public
correspondence
received
in
in
form
of
written
and
or
telephone
enquiry.
Thank
you
thank.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair
planning
committee,
doesn't
see
very
many
if
any
of
the
these
type
of
applications
but
I'm
one
of
the
tenants
at
Kingsdale
right
now
contacted
me
for
a
question
for
tonight
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that's
something
that
we
can
answer.
If
it's
specific
so
right
now
he's
renting.
They
don't
want
to
get
that
second
mortgage.
They
don't
want
to
buy
one
of
the
condo
units,
so
their
concern
is
how
long
will
they
have
to
vacate
so
we're
gonna
be
assuming
that
this
will
go
through
and
you'll
get
the
conversion.
E
S
It's
a
good
question
not
strictly
related
to
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment,
but
obviously
a
question
of
of
concerns
at
the
residence
I
know
the
kinsman
one
of
the
the
founders
of
the
kinsman
club
actually
lives
in
the
building
as
well,
so
I
know
he's
able
to
communicate
with
those
residents.
So
there
is
a
requirement
or
a
number
of
requirements
under
a
condominium
act
to
give
notice
or
to
deal
with
situations
we're
converting.
S
But
the
I
think
the
intention
is
that
the
kins
been
even
when
the
units
are
converted.
You
can
continue
to
rent
those
units
out
as
the
owners
you
know
and
not
necessarily
sell
them.
So
it's
it's
a
good
question.
I,
don't
have
the
exact
timeline,
but
there
certainly
is
well-established
set
of
protections
and
rules
in
place
to
identify
when
and
the
applicants
would
are.
S
D
I'm
happy
to
hear
there
was
no
correspondence.
It
frees
me
up
to
vote
tonight
since
the
recommendation
is
coming
up,
and
these
may
not
be
after
my
comments
in
the
last.
These
may
not
be
specific
to
the
planning,
but
I'm
just
curious.
Are
they?
Is
it
going
to
be
mixed,
affordable
or
is
the
hope
from
the
Kinsmen
that
the
whole
unit
would
become
affordable,
and
is
it
anticipated
that
some
assistance
from
our
city,
housing,
affordable,
home
ownership
policy
or
plan
might
be
sought.
S
I'll
try
to
answer
as
best
I
can
Pete
Butler
from
the
kinsman's
here
tonight
as
well,
so
he
may
be
able
to
answer
better,
but
the
Kinsmen
have
a
long
history
of
providing
affordable
housing
in
Kingston,
and
this
is
their
first
home
ownership
for
a
and
they
intend
to
do
it
again.
So
after
this
building
is
converted
and
sold,
they
intend
to
take
the
proceeds
from
the
sale
and
do
another
building
and
offer
it
as
a
home
ownership
option
again
as
well.
So
there's
no.
S
The
essentially
the
second
mortgage
that's
going
to
be
offered
the
forgivable
second
mortgages
we
offered
is
there
for
anybody
who
qualifies
for
it.
They
can't
prohibit
somebody
from
buying
the
condo.
If
somebody
wants
to
buy
a
condo
and
they
don't
need
the
second
mortgage,
they
don't
qualify
for
it,
then
they
can.
S
They
can
choose
to
live
there,
but
the
kinsmen
are
anticipating
that
it's
gonna,
be
it
wouldn't
necessarily
make
sense
for
those
those
people,
so
the
hope
of
the
kinsman
is
that
will
be
entirely
taken
up
by
those
who
can
take
advantage
of
that
second
mortgage
and
to
my
knowledge,
no
assistance
from
the
city's
housing
program
is
required
as
part
of
this
or
being
sought
as
part
of
this.
So
thank.
D
A
O
You
chair
thanks
mr.
Chow
for
presentation.
Just
have
one
question
in
the
presentation
by
staff:
they
said
that
they
notified
property
owners
within
a
certain
distance
of
the
complex
I'm
wondering
is
any
requirement
for
the
city
and/or,
the
planners
or
the
owners
to
notify
prior
to
tonight's
meeting
in
a
formal
manner
the
renters
who
are
actually
in
the
complex
now,
because
their
status
is
about
to
change.
O
If
this
were
to
be
approved,
right,
I'm,
not
sure
if
there's
any
law
that
requires
that,
but
it
would
seem
to
be
you
know,
maybe
just
being
a
good
neighbor
or
a
good
owner
or
a
good
mentor
to
do
that.
So
I'm
just
curious
where
the
people
who
live
there
notified
at
tonight's
meeting
in
advance.
Thank
you.
A
A
T
S
So
I'll
let
staff
speak
to
the
notification
period
or
the
notification
list.
I
guess
so,
just
to
be
clear
and
I
think
there's
some
confusion
tonight.
This
is
purely
for
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
to
enable
the
severance
has
nothing
it
doesn't
impact
or
doesn't
have
anything
or
barring
I
guess
on
the
plan
of
condominium,
that's
forthcoming.
So
this
is
purely
just
to
adjust
the
zoning
to
allow
the
lot
to
be
severed
so
that
it
complies
with
the
water
bylaw
that
is
needed
to
eventually
get
to
the
plan
of
condominium.
S
I
S
Thank
you
for
for
coming
out
tonight.
I
know
Ron
Englund
and
Pete
Pete
Butler's
right
there
as
well,
so
certainly
they're
here
to
answer
questions
that
you
may
have
and
I
think
that's
the
Kinsmen.
There
are
certainly
open
to
to
talking
to
anybody
who
has
has
questions
about
upcoming
changes
in
the
building.
C
Through
you,
madam
chair
I,
just
like
to
point
to
exhibit
F
of
the
staff
report,
and
that
is
the
one
that
outlines
where
and
which
and
who
received
the
public
notice.
It
does
identify
sec,
the
parcels
known
municipally
as
276
and
284
Kingsdale
Avenue,
the
subject
properties
as
being
notified,
and
they
are
provided
notification
under
the
Act
because
they
are
an
apartment
building.
It
is
not
circulated
to
every
individual
renter
of
the
unit
through
the
municipal
process
under
the
requirements
of
the
Act
they
are
provided
to
the
whole
of
the
parcel.
C
A
D
It
is
a
very
upsetting
upsetting
thing,
and
so
I
I
sincerely
hope
that
the
kinsman
can
arrange
to
allay
some
of
the
fears
that
people
might
have,
because
the
reality
is
I
mean
we
talk,
we
get
these
notifications
and
they're
written
in
planning
language
and,
and
that
and
the
ramifications
of
them
aren't
really
there
so
I
I
trust
that
that
can
happen.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
and
yes,
and
what
we're
talking
about
is
splitting
a
lot
in
half
at
this
meeting.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
conversion,
so
it's
a
step
but
I
agree
with
councillor
Neill
very
much.
Thank
you
any
other
questions
from
the
committee.
Seeing
none
I
will
close
this
second
public
meeting.
Thank
you
and
mr.
McClaren
can
return
Oh.
R
A
No,
he
doesn't
really
have
to.
We
can
open
it.
We've
got
a
quorum,
it's
okay,
because
the
first
item
of
business
is
this
one.
So
I
will
open
the
regular
planning
meeting
and
call
the
meeting
to
order
and
ask
for
approval
of
the
agenda:
councillor
Holland
seconded
by
Councillor
or
sanic,
all
those
in
favor
confirmation
of
the
minutes:
November,
2nd,
okay,
councillor
Neill
seconded
by
Councillor,
o
sanic,
all
those
in
favor
that's
carried
and
disclose
your
pecuniary
interest.
Yes,
hi.
I
A
Thank
you
and
with
that
councillor
McLaren
we'll
leave
again.
We
have
no
delegations
or
breathing
rethinks.
We
do
have
our
first
business
item,
which
is
the
kinsman
club
application
for
zoning
bylaw
amendment
and
we
have
a
recommendation
on
the
floor,
moved
by
councillor
Neill
seconded
by
councillor,
Holland
comments,
questions
all
those
in
favour
and
that
carries
thank
you
and
mr.
McLaren
can
return.
A
A
Okay,
page
61,
second
full
paragraph.
At
the
very
end,
it
says
the
installation
of
on-site
underground
stormwater
infrastructure
may
assist
in
elevating
at
least
some
of
the
runoff
from
the
rear
of
the
properties
and
I'm.
Presuming
what
staff
meant
to
say
was
alleviating
that
it
may
assist
in
alleviating.
At
least
some
of
the
runoff
from
the
rear
of
the
properties
was
a
little
1/3.