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Planning Committee meeting from September 1, 2022. For full meeting agenda, please visit: https://bit.ly/3wPDCQ6
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Personal
information
collected
as
a
result
of
the
public
meetings,
are
collected
under
the
authority
of
the
planning
act
and
will
be
used
to
assist
in
making
a
decision
on
this
matter.
Persons
speaking
at
the
meeting
are
requested
to
give
their
name
and
address
for
recording
in
the
minutes.
All
names
addresses
and
opinions
comments,
etc,
may
be
collected
and
may
form
part
of
the
minutes
which
will
be
available
to
the
public.
Additionally,
interested
members
of
the
public
can
email.
A
The
city
clerk
miss
faucet,
who
we
just
heard
from,
or
the
assigned
planner
if
they
wish
to
be
notified
regarding
a
particular
application.
Questions
regarding
this
collection
should
be
forwarded
to
the
director
of
planning
services,
who
is
mr
park
and
usually
city
staff.
Their
email
is
their
first
initial
and
their
last
name
at
city
of
kingston.ca,
with
a
few
exceptions,
but
we'll
make
sure
those
emails
are
available.
A
So
the
first
portion
of
tonight's
meeting
is
to
present
planning
applications
in
a
public
forum
as
detailed
in
the
public
meeting
reports.
These
reports
do
not
contain
a
staff
recommendation,
so
we're
not
going
to
be
voting
on
anything
and
no
decisions
will
be
made
this
evening
following
presentations
by
the
applicant.
E
So
the
proposed
owning
of
bylaw
amendment
is
to
convert
the
existing
building
into
a
24
bed
amuse
emergency
youth,
shelter
next
slide,
please
so
365
nelson
street
is
within
the
urban
boundary.
It's
located
on
an
artillery
road
and
kingston
transit
route
has
an
area
of
1.7
hectares
with
30
meters
of
frontage
on
nelson
street
and
18
meters
of
frontage
on
concession
street.
The
existing
building
is
a
one-story
building
with
a
mezzanine,
and
it's
been
formally
used
as
a
garage
and,
most
recently,
a
dance
studio.
E
Next
slide.
Please
here
are
some
photos
of
the
site,
I'm
showing
the
existing
building
some
of
the
entrances,
as
well
as
the
parking
areas
next
slide.
Please
here
are
some
photos
of
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
You
can
see.
This
is
looking
north
down
nelson
street,
the
existing
dwellings
that
are
to
the
north
of
the
property,
the
side
of
the
convenience
store
on
concession
street
and
then
looking
south
towards
the
memorial
center
in
the
bottom
right
corner.
E
E
We
just
want
to
note
that
24
is
the
maximum
number
of
youth
anticipated
who'd,
be
using
the
services
and
is
based
off
of
kingston
youth
services
numbers
on
what
could
be
a
peak
day,
but
not
necessarily
24
people
using
the
facility
at
all
times,
and
we
know
that
their
services
are
primarily
by
appointment
or
for
specified
programming.
So
it's
not
anticipated
that
there
will
be
high
levels
of
traffic
in
and
out
of
the
building
that
isn't
known
and
planned
for
next
slide.
E
E
The
amenity
area
was
chosen
on
the
south
side
of
the
building,
just
to
try
to
mitigate
impacts
from
neighbors
and
there's
a
space
there
as
well.
We
understand
kingston
news
services
is
exploring
the
possibility
of
additional
landscaping
or
programming
in
this
gravel
area
with
the
green
spaces
here
as
well,
one
of
the
options
being
explored
as
potentially
community
garden
space
and
the
main
entrance
is
off
of
nelson
street
with
the
secondary
entrance
to
the
south,
and
then
the
parking
spaces
are
shown
and
their
existing
represents
the
existing
conditions.
E
E
I'm
servicing
it
was
found
that
there's
sufficient
sanitary
and
water
service
capacity
for
the
proposed
development
and
a
phase,
one
environmental
site
assessment
assess
the
potential
presence
of
environmental
impacts,
and
so
some
of
the
environmental
work
is
still
ongoing.
I
know
members
of
the
public
race
concerns.
E
So
the
proposal
is
consistent
with
the
intent
of
the
provincial
policy
statement,
as
it
redevelops
an
underutilized
site
in
an
area
planned
for
intensification
along
an
arterial
road.
It's
within
the
urban
growth
boundary
it
officially
efficiently
uses
land
and
resources
does
not
result
in
any
extension
of
municipal
services,
contributes
to
a
range
and
mix
of
housing
options
and
as
discussed
before,
and
no
public
health
and
safety
issues
are
anticipated
next
slide,
please.
E
So
the
property
is
designated
residential
in
the
city
of
kingston
official
plan,
and
we
note
that
special
needs
facilities
are
permitted
in
the
residential
designation.
So,
with
review
with
city
of
kingston
staff,
it
was
determined
that
the
residents
of
the
emergency
shelter
have
specific
needs
beyond
economic
needs.
They
require
social
support,
services
and
family
mediation,
etc.
E
E
So
the
proposed
development
is
compatible
with
adjacent
uses.
It
involves
a
conversion
of
an
existing
structure
that
is
already
well
integrated
into
the
neighborhood.
No
external
modifications
are
proposed,
so
visually
the
building
exists
and
will
remain
the
same
normal.
The
structure
itself
will
remain
the
same
with
some
improvements,
as
discussed
like
the
outdoor
amenity
space
and
as
well
as
parking
the
site
meets
the
functional
needs
of
site
users,
there's
adequate
amenity,
space,
parking
and
area
for
residents.
E
The
proposal
will
officially
utilize
existing
services
and
infrastructure,
so
no
expansion
of
services
is
required
and
this
will
provide
24
emergency
shelter
beds
for
youth
to
help
assist
with
on
the
housing
crisis.
So,
based
on
this,
the
proposal
conforms
to
the
city's
official
plan
policies
next
slide,
please.
E
So
the
proposed
development
recognizes
existing
conditions
and
the
existing
buildings
non-compliant.
With
regard
to
side
yard,
setbacks
is
compatible
with
existing
and
proposed
development
as
the
building's
existing
and
has
been
there
for
many
years
and
are
really
just
looking
to
recognize
these
conditions.
E
A
F
We
have
received
three
pieces
of
written
correspondence
and
these
should
be
included
in
the
committee's
addendum
package.
I
also
received
three
telephone
inquiries
in
terms
of
general
process.
The
purpose
of
the
public
meeting
is
for
the
applicant
to
present
their
proposal
to
the
public,
the
planning
committee
and
to
answer
questions
from
committee
and
members
of
the
public
staff
have
prepared
a
public
meeting
report
summarizing
the
proposal.
F
F
G
A
A
B
H
H
I
don't
know
if
an
official
traffic
assessment
was
done
for
this
proposed
site,
but
if
there's
going
to
be
six
employees
on
staff
in
the
building,
that
would
only
leave
three
proposed
parking
spots
in
your
parking
lot,
two
of
which
have
to
be
accessible
parking
which
I'm
not
sure
if
the
employees
need
that
space
or
not,
but
so
far
on
our
street.
I've
lived
in
my
house
now
for
three
years
and
on
our
street
it's
quite
busy.
The
traffic
is
fast.
H
There
is
lots
of
children
who
play
in
the
road,
and
there
are
lots
of
folks
who
park
on
the
street,
not
always
in
the
spots
that
they
need
to
be
parking
in,
and
I
just
wondered
if
that
would
be
addressed
if
there's
overflow
parking,
where
is
that
going
to
be
going?
Where
are
the
people
who
are
going
to
mediation,
family
mediation,
or
these
scheduled
events
at
this
building?
H
Where
are
they
going
to
be
parking
and
if
they're
parking
on
the
street
is
the
parking
going
to
be
enforced
or
will
there
be
any
sort
of
traffic
calming
or
proposed
traffic
amendments
made
for
our
street
to
accommodate
this
building
and
just
to
go
on
record?
I'm
very
much
excited
for
this
building
to
be
here
and
I'm
very
much
happy
to
be
close,
living
close
to
a
place.
That's
going
to
be
making
a
big
difference
for
a
lot
of
young
folks
in
our
community.
H
I
just
worry
about
our
parking
situation
on
the
streets
and
that
those
kids
that
are
gonna
be
there
are
safe
when
they
go
into
the
road,
especially
on
nelson,
when
we
already
have
sort
of
an
issue
with
traffic
calming
in
general
on
our
street.
So
yeah,
that's
my
question
and
thank
you.
I
appreciate
you
taking
my
time
or
taking
the
time.
A
I
Everyone-
just
you,
can
hear
me:
okay,
okay,
good!
Thank
you!
Actually,
my
name,
my
full
name
is
paula.
Sarah
brooks
and
I
live
across
the
street,
from
melissa
at
387
nelson
street
and
to
run
off
from
alyssa's
points
on
traffic
traffic
is
a
concern
also
for
myself.
I
have
the
laneway
that
runs
right
in
behind
the
proposed
spot.
I
I
sit
on
the
fence
of
not
I'm
indifferent
on
the
use
of
the
space.
I
come
from
a
background
of
family
members,
children's
aid
things
like
that.
So
I
understand
the
importance
of
space
for
the
unhoused
in
emergencies.
My
issue
is
with
nothing
seem
to
be
done
with
the
outside
of
the
side
of
the
building
mentally.
How
can
that
be
good
for
the
youth
to
be
going
into
something
that
looks
like
an
old
garage?
I
But
it's
like
you
know
if
you're
going
in
for
a
spot,
staying
residential,
it's
an
old
garage
that
was
actually
until
everything
took
place,
was
a
dance
studio
and
so
and
also
with
that,
where
I'm
very
scared
of
not
for
the
youth
that
are
in,
I
know
that
they're
going
to
be
safe,
it's
the
activities
that
I'm
quite
sure
counselors
are
unaware
of
because
they
happen
at
the
wee
hours
of
the
morning.
With
there's
been
a
change.
I
I
It
needs
to
be
like
it's
kind
of
like
I've
sent
two
requests
in
for
my
counselor
to
have
it
tidied
up.
There
needs
to
be
something
more
done,
because
right
now
it
is
a
space
that
can
be
hidden
and
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
health
and
well-being
of
the
individuals
that
would
be
in
the
building
and
also
what
happens
with
some
of
the
other
areas
that
have
been
shelters
not
making
place
in
judgment.
A
J
I
just
don't
like
the
idea
of
it
being
there
and
I
have
to
agree
with
some
of
the
other
people
we
have
people
wandering
and
in
case
you
live
in
this
area.
In
case
you
don't
know,
it's
probably
people
from
the
hub
wandering
through
our
area
to
get
to
the
warming
and
cooling
center,
which
we
now
have
just
up
the
street.
J
We
also
have
transitional
housing
halfway
down
the
street.
We
have
a
shelter
at
the
end
of
the
street.
You
know
how
much
else
can
we
take
we're
one
community?
There
are
lots
of
communities
in
this
city.
Why
aren't
these
places
going
there?
I
mean
I
hear
things
like
well
they're
on
a
transit
use.
We
only
have
one
transit
route
kingston,
that's
it
just
the
one
that
goes
by
here.
No,
my
quality
of
life
is
going
to
be
impacted
with
this
this
building,
but
nobody
seems
to
care
about
that.
J
I
just
have
to
keep
paying
my
taxes,
so
I
would
like
you
to
look
at
this
from
the
resident's
point
of
view.
The
hub
was
supposed
to
make
a
big
difference.
Look
what
happened
over
there.
We
already
have
theft
of
our
vehicles.
We
have
garbage
that
we
have
to
clean
up.
We
have
drug
paraphernalia
that
we
have
to
clean
up.
J
I
don't
see
anybody
rushing
out
to
help
the
old
lady
take
care
of
stuff
like
that,
and
now
it's
going
to
get
worse
and
because
it's
going
to
be
so
close
to
me,
I'm
now
going
to
lose
the
enjoyment
of
my
backyard
because
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
go
out
there
and
spend
any
quality
time.
I
also
am
old-fashioned.
I
hang
out
clothes,
I
don't
use
a
dryer.
I
hang
them
out
to
dry.
A
I'm
just
going
to
interrupt
there
only
because
if
I
just
said
them,
I'm
not
trying
to
scold
honestly,
but
when
we
talk
about
the
residents
of
the
use,
that's
just
not
quite
fitting.
Here
we
can
talk
about
noise,
totally
fine.
We
can
talk
about
compatibility
and
services.
Everything
else
you've
said
is
welcome,
but
let's
just
not
comment
on
the
people
using
the
site.
Please.
J
J
I
just
don't
think
it's
the
right
place
to
have
it,
and
that
is
how
I
feel,
because
I
think
king's
court
has
supported
enough
of
these
places.
I
think-
and
we
still
are
so
I
think
we've
done
our
part,
so
I
maybe
not
like
I
said
I'm
probably
going
to
be
the
only
one-
that's
going
to
not
believe
in
this,
but
that's
just
the
way.
I
feel.
A
G
Hi,
can
you
hear
me
yeah
yeah,
I,
my
name
is
namin
samani
and
I
own
the
building
in
the
convenience
store.
Next
to
it.
My
concern
is
about
safety
and
security,
because
we
have
people
kids
coming
and
going
and
buying
stuff
during
the
store
hours,
and
sometimes
I
go
to
pray
in
the
early
morning
hours.
G
We
have
some
prayers
at
around
four
o'clock
and
I
sort
of
drive
around
and
launch
them
a
little
concerned
about
the
safety
and
security
and
are
they
going
to
have
a
fence
around
the
area
there
or
how
this
is
going
to
work
out,
because
I'm
one
I'm
really
nervous
about
these
kids
is.
I
understand
that
they
need
a
place
to
stay,
and
I
appreciate
what
you
are
doing,
but
I
have
seen
when
I
passed
my
unwanted
with
the
wee
hours
of
the
morning.
G
D
D
I'm
just
wondering
how
the
outdoor
amenity
will
affect
access
to
the
laneway
between
concession
and
first
avenue,
and
also,
if
there's
general
provisions,
you
know
to
perhaps
tidy
up
that
area
or
to
keep
it
straight,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
issues
behind
there
and
my
second
point
would
be
kind
of
in
terms
of
the
scope
of
the
facility.
How
do
we
ensure
or
how
other
provisions
in
place
to
keep
it
contained
within
the
property?
D
My
my
big
concern
being
there
is
the
kingston
youth,
cultural
hub
at
484
albert
street
and
there's
kind
of
always
a
lot
of
trash,
and
you
know
people
hanging
around
outside
of
the
building
a
lot
of
the
day.
So
that
would
just
be
my
concern
for
for
this
particular
set
as
well,
and
if
there
are
provisions
in
place
to
kind
of
mitigate
those
those
kind
of
circumstances.
A
E
We're
not
seeking
relief
for
parking,
but
do
hear
that
there
are
concerns
in
the
area
so
through
the
technical
review
process
can
look
to
try
to
maximize
the
amount
of
parking
on
site,
and
I
believe
we've
done
that
in
this
sort
of
first
iteration
so,
but
do
hear
that
it's
a
concern
and
then,
in
terms
of
staffing
and
drop-in.
Perhaps
I
can
ask
ann
who's
here
from
kingston
youth
services
to
speak
to
that
once
I'm
finished
going
through
the
planning
concerns
about
staffing.
E
So
against
right,
site
plan
can
look
through
more
design
options
there
in
terms
of
safety
and
security.
Again,
can
look
at
different
measures
during
the
state
plan.
We
understand
that
there
are
concerns
and
have
heard
concerns
about
potentially
like
fencing
and
designing
areas
specifically
for
the
users
of
the
site,
to
be
able
to
congregate
safely
in
a
way
that
minimizes
nuisances
on
the
neighborhood
and
those
are
the
main
concerns.
C
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity,
so,
yes,
I
do
feel
that
the
parking
is
adequate.
The
maximum
number
of
six
staff
on
site
would
be
the
very
maximum,
often
times,
there's,
maybe
only
two
or
three
staff
on
site
so
and
not
all
of
them
have
cars
when
their
clients,
not
all
of
them,
have
vehicles
either
because
they
particularly
the
homeless
youth,
have
no
vehicles
and
for
family
mediation
people.
C
C
I
can
tell
you
that
the
youth
that
are
at
the
youth,
shelter
don't
leave
at
night,
they're
there
to
sleep
and
once
they're
inside
they're
inside
and
if
they
choose
to
leave,
then
they're
gone
and
so
they're
not
wandering
around
throughout
the
neighborhood
most
of
them
leave
at
the
same
time
in
the
morning,
which
is
seven
o'clock
in
the
morning,
we
do
not
allow
drugs
and
alcohol
on
the
site.
It
is
not
a
safe
use
zone.
C
C
It
is
an
emergency
shelter,
it's
not
for
day
use,
except
for
by
appointment,
so
there
won't
be
youth
hanging
around
outside.
We
do
get
a
number
of
youth
that
come
throughout
the
day,
particularly
at
times
that
are
looking
for
meals,
and
so
at
lunch
time
they
may
show
up
collect
a
meal,
and
then
the
youth
that
are
accessing
the
shelter
in
the
evening
also
get
meals.
C
We
do
make
sure
that
the
youth
clean
up
after
themselves,
it's
a
problem
everywhere
that
people
like
to
leave
garbage.
We
don't
like
to
have
garbage
on
our
property,
so
our
youth
help
to
pick
up
after
them.
I
do,
and
then
ms
o'connor,
and
perhaps
we
can
help
her
with
her
issues.
Also,
we,
our
staff,
are
trained
with
dealing
with
sharps
and
needles.
So
if
we
can
be
of
assistance
to
her
around
her
property
too,
we
would
be
happy
to
help
her
with
that.
C
I
understand
the
complaints
about
are
the
concerns
about
the
laneway.
I
too
am
concerned
about
the
laneway,
because
it
is
in
pretty
poor
condition.
We
don't
own
the
laneway,
we
don't
have
access
to
the
laneway,
so
we
are
concerned
that
for
the
safety
of
our
youth
at
accessing
the
property,
also
because
of
the
condition
of
the
laneway.
A
Excellent.
Thank
you
for
that,
and
I'm
just
going
to
ask
a
question
here
as
chair
to
our
planner.
Could
you
explain
please
a
bit
of
the
process.
You
mentioned
technical
review
and
some
of
the
next
steps
that
come
in
moving
an
application
like
this
forward,
but
perhaps
members
of
the
public
would
benefit
from
hearing
a
bit
more
about
what
that
looks
like.
F
Certainly
through
you,
mr
chair,
we
staff
in
various
departments
of
like
engineering
and
parks
and
forestry
and
planning
review
the
application
through
a
technical
review
and
provide
comments
back
to
the
applicant
and
then
the
applicant
resubmits
a
response
to
those
comments
and
sometimes
updates
to
studies
and
plans
and
then
once
we're
in
a
position
to
make
a
recommendation.
We
we
bring
a
report
back
to
planning
committee.
F
A
A
Excellent,
so
we'll
look
to
committee
and
I
saw
councillor
hutchinson,
I
believe
your
hand
went
up
no
okay,
my
apologies
looking
for
anyone
from
committee.
We
also
have
the
district
counselor
and
our
friend
counselor
holland.
Here
I
don't
know
if
she's
on
my
screen,
but
I
did
see
it
earlier.
There
we
go
counselor
holland.
Would
you
like
to
take
the
floor.
K
Yes,
please
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
to
the
proponents
and
to
members
of
the
public
for
being
here
this
evening.
I
the
I,
have
a
couple
questions
on
the
presentation.
The
first
one,
just
a
question
of
clarity,
so
one
of
the
slides
towards
the
end
talked
about
the
fact
that
one
that
one
of
one
of
the
one
of
the
the
asks
or
requests,
I
guess,
is
to
have
to
eliminate
the
separation
distance
from
other
facilities
or
that
that
relief
would
be
requested.
K
A
E
E
This
is
sort
of
original
to
these
bylaws,
so
are
just
under
sort
of
new
planning
practices.
It's
not
encouraged
to
zone
for
people
that
way
saying
that
you
have
to
have
250
meters
between
a
shelter.
If
you
have
another
shelter,
it
can't
locate
beside
it.
So
yes
are
looking
to
eliminate
that
provision.
We'll
note
that
there
is
no
separation
in
the
new
bylaw
for
these
uses,
but
do
just
under
this
is
the
byline
effect.
So
what's
the
technicality
do
need
to
request
relief
for
this
provision.
K
Great,
thank
you.
I
think
the
next
two
are
also
planning
related
or
or
from
miss
ducky,
so
I'll
start,
then
the
amenity
space
on
the
diagram.
Sorry,
I
wasn't
able
to
to
have
a
good
close
look
at
it,
but
the
the
height
of
the
fence
there
has
that
been
confirmed
at
this
point.
Are
we
still
is
that
part
of
site
plan
and
then
the
second
question,
actually
because
it's
kind
of
similar,
I
guess
or
related
to
the
amenity
space,
given
that
this
is
a
special
needs
facility
under
the
the
existing
zoning?
K
Are
there
other
amenities
spaces
associated
with
with
such
such
properties?
In
that
we
can
point
to
just
as
an
example,
because
I
think
that's
sort
of
part
of
what's
new
here
is
we're
looking
for
the
zoning
relief,
but
we're
also
looking
at
having
this
existing
this.
This
outdoor
amenity
space
in
a
neighborhood,
a
residential
neighborhood.
E
E
I
personally
don't
have
an
example.
I
can
think
of
for
a
comparable
shelter
use
but
again
can
provide
more
sort
of
details
in
the
site
plan,
as
well
as
the
plan
going
forward,
just
to
help
sort
of
give
the
public
and
neighbors
a
really
clear
idea
of
what
exactly
like
is
included
there.
My
understanding
is
that
it's
meant
to
be
like
an
outdoor
patio
space,
potentially
with
some
seating.
L
Thank
you
very
much,
a
couple
of
questions
but
first
to
comment.
I
know
that
there's
some
concern
about
disruption
with
youth
in
the
area.
I
just
want
to
remind
both
the
committee
and
members
of
the
public
we're
supposed
to
focus
on
land
use
planning
only
in
the
planning
process
we
have
bylaws.
We
have
other
things
to
take
care
of
those
other
issues.
L
So
just
a
reminder
about
that
quick
question
to
the
proponents:
is
there
any
plan
to
do
something
with
the
outside
of
the
building?
It's
not
the
most
appealing
building
to
look
at
and
it's
right
across
from
the
memorial
center
park,
which
is
in
my
district.
So
I'm
just
hopeful
that
in
this
process
the
building
will
be
will
look
better
at
the
end
of
the
process.
C
L
Thank
you
and
my
last
comment
has
to
do
with.
There
was
a
comment
made
earlier
by
a
member
of
the
public
about
the
impression
that
all
such
things
are
going
into
king's
court.
I
live
in
king's
court,
but
I
represent
williamsville
and
there
are
in
williamsville
in
king's
court
and
in
councillor
hutchison's
district
in
the
core
of
the
city.
We
have
a
lot
of
those
type
of
of
supportive
housing
and
other
things.
L
A
A
M
Okay,
quick
clicking
on
the
mute,
but
it
wouldn't
go
away.
The
my
question
has
to
do
with
the
way
the
property
comes
down
to
concession
street
and
you've
got
some
parking
going
in
the
top.
The
northern
part
of
that.
Are
you
going
to
do
anything
to
beautify
that
improve
that
gap
in
the
streetscape
there?
E
And
through
you,
mr
chair,
I
understand
kingston
used
services
is
looking
at
potentially
programming
the
space
with
a
community
garden
or
something
similar
or
maybe
more
landscaping.
So
they
are
yeah
looking
to
make
improvements
on
that
area
and
look
to
program
it
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
users
and
potentially
a
community
partnership.
C
Just
to
echo
what
emma
has
said,
part
of
the
suggestions
from
the
city
staff
have
been
to
work
with
the
engineers
to
develop
more
access
for
trees,
planting
of
trees,
which
I
would
be
very
happy
to
accommodate.
And
yes,
that
does
look
not
as
nice
off
the
concession
street,
and
I
would
like
to
have
that
beautified,
because
I
do
want
it
to
be
welcoming
and
nice
for
not
just
our
youth,
but
for
the
community
too.
A
Perfect,
all
right,
so
I've
seen
no
other
hands
that
will
conclude
this
public
meeting.
Thank
you
to
everyone
who
participated
and
next
we'll
move
to
our
second
public
meeting.
So
I
won't
read
the
notice
of
collection
again
because
the
same
process
stands,
but
this
meeting
is
for
3001
clogs
road
and
that's
on
page
five
of
your
agenda.
If
you're
following
and
there's
this
up
or
the
report,
that
goes
with
it
as
well-
and
I
see
miss
lambert
who's
here
to
talk
to
that.
N
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Through
you,
I
can
confirm
that
notice
was
given
for
this
application
in
accordance
with
the
planning
act.
As
detailed
in
the
public
meeting
report,
we
have
received
two
pieces
of
correspondence,
the
first
of
which
appears
in
the
main
agenda
and
the
second
in
the
addendum
to
this
evening's
agenda.
N
O
Thank
you
good
evening,
mr
chair
good
evening,
members
of
committee
and
everyone
from
the
public.
That's
here.
My
name
is
yuko
leclair,
I'm
a
planner
with
foten
planning
and
design
and
I'll
be
presenting
this
application.
This
evening
I
am
joined
by
my
colleagues
alex
cleave
and
by
kyle
nielsen,
who
is
a
the
civil
engineer
on
the
project,
so
the
subject
site
is
3001
clogs
road.
This
is
an
application
for
draft
plan,
a
subdivision
that
is
being
brought
forward
on
behalf
of
the
city
itself.
O
O
There
are
a
range
of
uses
in
proximity
to
the
site
so
to
the
immediate
west.
North
and
northeast
are
privately
serviced.
Residential
uses
across
the
road
to
the
across
creekford
road
to
the
south
is
a
residential
subdivision,
that's
serviced
and
then
to
the
southeast
of
the
site
are
a
range
of
industrial
type
of
uses,
including
a
former
quarry.
O
The
land
itself
is
largely
undeveloped,
although,
as
you
can
see
from
this
aerial
image
on
the
screen,
a
portion
of
the
lands
are
currently
being
farmed
and
have
been
for
some
time
next
slide.
Please,
the
lands
are
designated
business
park,
industrial
in
the
official
plan,
which
is
what's
shown
on
this
slide
in
blue.
O
There
is
a
also
a
special,
a
site,
specific
or
special
policy
area
that
applies
to
these
lands.
That's
policy
number
61,
which
allows
existing
residential
and
agricultural
uses
to
remain
in
in
place,
recognizing
that,
although
the
lands
are
designated
for
business
park
uses,
there
are
a
number
of
existing
residential
uses
in
in
the
vicinity.
O
Next
slide,
please,
following
the
official
plan
update,
the
city
undertook
a
secondary
plan
exercise
for
these
lands.
The
number
of
background
studies
were
undertaken,
natural
heritage
archaeological,
and
there
was
a
development
of
a
concept
plan
that
came
out
of
that,
as
well
as
being
presented
at
an
open
house
back
in
may
of
2018.
O
This
is
the
plan
that
was
presented
at
the
time.
This
plan
shows
a
range
of
land
uses
for
the
the
subject
site,
as
well
as
some
adjacent
properties
that
are
city
owned,
in
particular,
identifying
some
lands
as
being
for
employment
use,
identifying
existing
residential
lands,
the
need
for
some
green
buffer.
There
was
a
conceptual
road
drawn.
This
plan
was
was
very
much
conceptual
in
nature
and
was
taken
to
the
public
for
consultation
and
input.
O
The
next
step-
and
the
reason
for
that
is,
is
that
there
is
a
recognition
that
the
the
determination
of
the
appropriate
land
uses
and
and
the
precise
definition
of
various
features
such
as
the
buffer
would
need
to
be
defined,
as
well
as
the
road
would
need
to
be
defined
through
further
technical
study,
which
would
be
requirements
of
those
technic
of
those
planning
applications.
So
planning
applications
were
were
brought
forward
in
2019
for
draft
plan,
a
subdivision
and
zoning
bylaw
amendment.
O
O
O
A
business
park
zone
which
applies
to
the
majority
of
the
lands
which
allows
a
range
of
business
park,
uses
it
also
again
in
recognition
of
the
proximity
of
residential
uses,
incorporates
enhanced
setbacks
for
some
of
those
for
lands
that
are
adjacent
to
residential
uses
or
residential
zones.
There
are
also
enhanced
restrictions
around
open
storage
in
proximity
to
residential
uses.
O
Next
slide,
please
so,
following
the
direction
to
move
from
a
secondary
plan
to
technical
applications
to
planning
applications.
The
the
development
of
the
plan
itself
that's
being
presented
this
evening
was
was
refined
and
there
were
a
number
of
factors
that
were
that
fed
into
the
refinement
of
that
plan.
From
the
original
concept
plan
that
had
been
presented
through
the
secondary
plan
exercise
and
the
there
were
six
goals
or
principles
that
fed
into
the
the
refinement
of
that
plan.
Those
are
all
shown
on
this
slide
here.
O
So
one
of
those-
that's
that's,
that's
critical
from
an
industrial
lands
perspective,
employment
lands
perspective
is
flexibility
and
personal
size.
The
market
demands
a
wide
range
of
parcel
sizes
and
providing
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
is
is
critical
to
the
configuration
of
the
subdivision
itself.
Another
factor
that
was
identified
as
being
important
both
to
the
community
and
to
the
technical
studies
and
policies
is
the
natural.
The
preservation
of
natural
heritage
features
on
these
lands,
so
technical
studies
were
undertaken,
a
natural
heritage
assessment
that
built
on
it
several.
O
I
believe
there
were
four
natural
heritage
heritage
assessments
completed
previously
it
built
on
those
assessments
and
identified
the
need
for
a
buffer
from
the
nearby
collins,
creek
wetland,
as
well
as
from
the
top
of
slope
that
balance
that
that
passes
diagonally
through
the
lands
and
an
existing
water
course.
On
the
west
side.
O
There
are
also
development
guidelines
that
have
to
be
factored
in,
and
technical
requirements
such
as,
for
example,
a
limit
on
the
length
of
a
cul-de-sac
which
requires
that
the
road
be
a
thorough
that
connects
from
creek
ford.
All
the
way
to
clogs
road
to
the
north
land
use
compatibility
was
another
factor
that
was
incorporated
into
the
design
of
the
blocks
themselves.
O
To
ensure
that
lots
adjacent
to
residential
uses
would
be
sufficiently
sized
to
accommodate
appropriate
buffers
and
setbacks.
That
would
be
reflected
in
the
zoning
public
comments
and
public
feedback
through
that
secondary
plan
exercise,
sort
of
tie.
All
of
these
other
factors
together
and
are
reflected
in
the
plan
as
well
and
site
constraints
such
as
the
topography
and
those
natural
heritage
features
and
other
considerations
of
that
nature
were
also
factored
into
the
plan.
The
the
plan's
refinement
next
slide,
please.
So
all
of
those
factors
contributed
to
the
plan
that
you
see
on
this
slide
here.
O
O
So
there's
a
ridge
that
runs
down
from
from
that
top
of
slope
down
towards
clogs
road,
so
that
there's
a
15
meter
buffer
from
the
edge
of
that
sort
of
top
of
slope
line,
which
is
what's
captured,
largely
in
that
in
that
buffer
and
then
the
land
from
the
effectively
from
the
top
of
that
slope.
All
the
way
down
to
clogs
road
is
undeveloped.
O
Development
is
is
is
critical
to
ensuring
that
no
negative
impacts
occur
to
that
provincially
significant
wetland
so
that
whole
open
space
buffer
and
undeveloped
portion
is
is
implementing
that
recommendation
of
providing
an
enhanced
buffer,
and
you
can
see
as
well
on
this
plan
the
creation
of
a
of
a
road,
that's
street,
a
that
would
link
creek
ford
and
clogs
to
the
north
next
slide.
Please
I've
mentioned
a
few
times
that
there
are
a
number
of
supporting
studies.
I've
spoken
about
the
natural
heritage
assessment
that
was
undertaken
and
has
been
through
some
technical
review.
O
Next
slide,
please,
so
the
plan
that
we're
presenting
this
evening
is
consistent
with
the
pps.
It
helps
fulfill
direction
that
came
out
of
the
employment
land
study
around
the
the
contributing
to
the
supply
of
employment
lands
in
the
city
of
kingston.
There's
a
there's,
a
recognition
at
that
time
that
lands
would
be
there
was
a
need
to
bring
in
more
lands.
This
is
an
obligation
under
the
provincial
policy
statement
through
the
secondary
planning
exercise
in
consultation
with
the
real
estate
group.
O
There
was
a
recognition
that
those
lands
are
being
developed
and
being
purchased
faster
than
they're
being
brought
online.
So
there's
a
there's,
an
urgent
need
to
bring
these
lands
online
and
fulfill
that
that
provincial
guideline,
this
plan
of
subdivision
conforms
to
the
official
plan.
It
conforms
and
complies
with
the
zoning
that
applies
on
the
lands
today
and
represents
good
land
use
planning
in
our
opinion,
next
slide.
Please,
and
with
that,
mr
chair,
I
welcome
any
questions
or
comments
from
the
committee
and
from
the
public.
A
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
through
you
I
will
note
that
we
still
have
15
members
of
the
public
with
us
at
this
time.
So
again,
if
there's
anyone
who
wishes
to
speak
to
the
current
application
on
the
floor,
if
you
could,
please
raise
your
hand
and
zoom
so
that
we
may
call
on
you-
and
this
is
located
in
the
center
of
the
screen
when
you
move
the
mouse
over
the
zoom
window,.
P
Yeah,
if
you
can
hear
me,
my
name
is
jeff
sanderson.
I
live
at
24.
Oh
sorry,
2904
o'clock's
road,
which
is
the
original
homestead
of
the
clogs
family.
It's
dating
back
to
the
1800's
and
all
this
land
we're
talking
about
was
at
one
point
there.
It's
not
now
it's
not
mine
now,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
all
you're
doing
for
the
city.
I
know
it's
not
easy
and
I
do
appreciate
it
and
I
don't
really
disagree
with
this
cool
development
at
all.
I
understand
the
city
is
growing.
P
It's
a
lot
of
land
south
of
the
401
and
all
the
rest
I
had
sent
in
a
letter.
It
had
three
sort
of
questions.
I'm
going
to
focus
mostly
on
one
number.
One
was
the
concern
of
my
well
water
because
I
live
on
the
north
side
of
klogg's
road.
The
storm
water
facility
is
scheduled
to
be
put
in
place
about
50
meters,
from
where
my
well
is
so.
There's
a
lot
of
land,
we're
about
to
pave
on
the
east
side
and
west
side.
P
A
lot
of
runoff
potentially-
and
I
just
am
concerned
about
what
a
stormwater
facility
is.
I
have
a
facili:
is
it
a
facility?
Is
it
a
building?
Is
it
a
pond
how
much
trickles
into
the
groundwater
that
sort
of
stuff?
I
don't
have
that
knowledge,
so
maybe
somebody
can
enlighten
me.
You
know
I
can
deal
with
the
the
fact
that
the
sitting
on
my
porch
isn't
going
to
look
the
same
as
I
look
across
the
road
like
you
know,
I
can
deal
with
that.
P
I
just
want
to
know
when
I
turn
on
the
top
that
I'm
I'm
I'm
drinking
decent
water
thanks
for
that
introduction
there.
Actually
I
learned
a
little
bit
looking
at
that
picture
as
well.
I'm
wondering
the
r
I'm
going
to
go
off
topic
a
bit
here,
because
I
was
only
going
to
talk
about
the
well,
the
ridge
of
land
that
is
undeveloped,
that
go
with
the
green
space
that
goes
all
the
way
across
doesn't
end
at
block
15..
P
So
I'm
wondering
about
why
the
decision
was
to
sort
of
arbitrarily
end
ended
at
what
would
be
my
neighbor's
house,
put
the
storm
water
in
and
develop
another
piece
of
land,
and
why
not,
I
guess,
develop
it.
Leave
that
green
space
all
the
way
across
to
bed
potentially
across
fog's
road,
all
the
way
to
gardner's
road
and
have
a
bigger
buffer
zone
for
that
wetlands.
That
was
talked-
and
I
know
you've
done
lots
of
studies,
I'm
not
heritage
studies
and
all
the
rest,
I'm
not
privy
to
that
knowledge.
P
So
I
guess
my
biggest
concern
too
is
my
well
water
and
the
protection
of
the
collins
creek
watershed,
and
if
the
city
should
not
extend
that
sort
of
buffer
zone,
it
only
would
mean
the
loss
of
one
development
land
out
of
the
17
or
so
so
yeah.
I
guess
those
are
my
two
concerns.
I
started
with
one
and
end
up
with
two
sorry
about
that
I'll
turn
it
back
to
you.
A
O
Thank
you
and
through
mr
chair
and
I
appreciate
the
comments
from
the
gentlemen
with
respect
to
well
water.
The
stormwater
management
facility
is
intended
to
be
a
pond
that
would
provide
for
quality
and
quantity
control
of
stormwater
flows
coming
from
the
road
that
would
be
created
through
the
subdivision
subdivision
itself.
Q
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
claire
kyle
nielsen,
four
from
engineering,
so
we're
the
civil
engineers
on
this
project.
So
there's
two
pond
designs
contemplated:
there's
a
wet
top
pond
type
facility
or
a
dry
pond
with
an
oil
grit.
Separator
both
type
of
facilities
are
actually
clay
line,
they're,
not
infiltration
type
facilities
because
of
the
the
nature
of
the
upstream
area.
The
amount
of
imperviousness
there'll
be
very
little
water
infiltrating
from
from
these
sites
into
this
area
into
the
area,
and
we
don't.
We
don't
anticipate
any
any
well
impacts.
Q
Given
these
these
sites.
First
of
all,
won't
be
taking
up
any
of
your
your
groundwater
demand
as
they'll,
be
on
municipal
services
and
then
also
is
the
elevation
of
this
site
compared
to
compared
to
your
site,
even
any
excavations
it
won't.
It
won't
be
near
the
groundwater
level,
so
we
don't
anticipate
any
any
well
impacts.
O
Thank
you,
mr
nielsen,
and
the
second
question
had
to
do
with
the
continuation
of
the
ridge
that
it
continues
further
east
beyond
where
we
have
it
shown
on
the
plans.
While
it
does
continue
to
some
degree,
it
does
begin
to
flatten
out
from
that
the
point
on
the
point
where
we
have
it
shown
the
natural
heritage
impact
or
natural
heritage
assessment,
effectively
identified,
where
we
have
it
shown
as
the
edge
of
where
it
has
significant
benefit
from
a
natural
heritage
buffering
from
collins
creek's
wetlands.
R
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thanks
for
the
presentation,
mr
leclerc,
so
I
was
happy
to
hear
you
say,
like
my
one
question
was
gonna,
be
where
it's
block
17
open
space,
but
it's
divided
into
like
dark,
green
light,
green
and
there's
undeveloped
land.
So
mike
my
one
question
was
going
to
be:
does
that
mean
they're
going
to
be
developed
in
the
future,
but
I
heard
you
say
that
that's
all
gonna
be
saved
and
preserved
and
that's
correct
right.
That's
what
you
did
say.
O
R
Okay,
so
then,
so,
where
it's
like
a
darker
green,
which
is
that
open,
open
space
buffer,
you
talked
about
right,
which
I
guess
is
on
top
of
the
ridge.
Is
that
going
to
be
saved
or
is
it
called
open
space
because
all
the
trees
are
going
to
be
taken
down
there
to
build?
Some
sort
of
pathway,
like
is:
is
that
open
space
at
the
top
still
going
to
be
preserved?.
O
R
R
R
On
top
of
the
forest
and
mr
leclerc,
I
saw
that
that
was
in
one
of
your
slides,
which
you
showed
tonight,
but
we
didn't
have
in
our
package,
and
so
thank
you
for
doing
that,
because
that
really
gives
the
good
picture
of
what
I'm
interested
in,
which
is
where
the
trees
are
in
the
forest
and
the
building,
so
that
that
was
really
good.
So
my
only
the
only
thing
then
that
I
would
have
to
say
is
maybe
for
block
four.
I
think
it
is.
Let
me
see
block
four.
R
First
of
all,
so
in
the
eia,
the
environmental
impact
assessment,
I
did
see
that
option.
Number
three
is
that,
as
the
city
builds
this,
they
only
cleared
the
trees,
as
as
the
lot
gets
you
know
is,
has
interest
in
actually
being
purchased
right.
So
that
was
option
three.
Don't
clear
cut
the
entire
site,
you
know
just
do
it
as
interest
in
the
lot
comes
up
and
so
for
block
three.
R
For
example,
you
can
see
along
clogs
along
creekford
road
that
it's
already
like
half
as
clear
and
half
as
trees,
so
I
hope
that
option
three
would
stay
that
way.
That's
only
when
there's
a
potential
buyer
that
then
the
trees
at
the
back
might
be
cleared,
or
maybe
the
potential
buyer
would
only
use
three
quarters
of
the
building
lot
of
lot.
R
So
those
are
my
comments
and-
and
I
don't
know,
if
there's
a
question
in
there,
but
I
did
read
in
the
eia
and
it
was
supported
by
the
cra
that
crca
that
option
three
in
terms
of
command
clearing.
You
know
it
only
gets
cleared
if
there
are
trees
on
the
lot
once
there's
interest-
and
you
know
it
goes
further
into
the
development.
L
O
Through
you,
mr
chair,
it's
a
great
question.
The
lands
are
not
serviced
yet.
The
the
purpose
of
this
draft
plan
of
subdivision
application
is
to
allow
them
to
be
serviced.
It
will
allow
the
creation
of
the
road
and
the
establishment
of
the
various
infrastructure-
sanitary
water
storm,
that's
necessary
to
service
those
lands.
O
A
R
O
Part
development
on
that
lands
and
the
what
we're
anticipating
to
do
through
through
sort
of
a
final
submission,
is
to
adjust
the
block
to
incorporate
it
with
the
rest
of
the
lands
and
effectively.
What
we'll
likely
look
at
doing
is
is
separate
the
the
undeveloped
land
from
the
open
space
land.
So
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
we'll
still
have
two
blocks
there.
We'll
have
block
17
and
18,
but
likely
block
17
will
be
the
open
space
lands.
O
A
Excellent,
okay,
see
no
further
movement,
we'll
conclude
this
public
meeting,
but
thanks
again
to
all
who
participated
and
we'll
move
right
away
into
planning
committee
meeting
19
of
this
year
and
I'll
call
the
meeting
to
order
it's.
What
time
is
it
here?
It's
just
before
7
20,
so
I'll
wait
until
it
is
and
say
it's
7
20,
which
is
excellent,
I'll,
look
for
a
mover
and
second
or
for
approval
of
the
agenda
with
the
addendum
counselor
neil
counselor
hutchison.
All
those
in
favor
passes
confirmation
of
minutes.
A
S
S
After
the
planner's
presentation
committee
members
will
be
asked,
we'll
be
able
to
ask
questions
of
staff
followed
by
members
of
the
public
following
the
question
and
answer
period.
This
committee
then
makes
a
recommendation
on
the
applications
to
city
council
who
has
final
say
on
the
applications
following
council
decision
notice
will
be
circulated
in
accordance
with
the
planning
act
if
a
person
or
public
body
would
otherwise
have
an
ability
to
appeal.
S
The
decision
of
the
council
of
the
corporation
of
the
city
of
kingston
to
the
ontario
land
tribunal,
but
the
person
or
public
body
does
not
make
oral
submissions
at
a
public
meeting
or
make
written
submissions
to
the
city
of
kingston
before
the
bylaw
is
passed.
The
person
or
public
body
is
not
entitled
to
appeal
the
decision.
S
A
A
A
S
B
T
Thank
you
very
much
chair.
Can
everyone
hear
me?
Okay,
oh
good,
perfect,
I'll,
try
and
make
this
relatively
quick.
I
know
we've
talked
about
this
item
a
couple
of
times
before,
but
I
will
just
provide
a
little
bit
of
a
presentation
just
to
bring
kind
of
everyone
up
to
speed
on.
What's
happened
since
our
last
meeting.
T
So
for
those
who
don't
know
me,
my
name
is
janiece
grant
and
I'm
a
senior
planner
with
the
city
tonight
I'll
be
speaking
to
an
application
for
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
the
property
at
1200
princess
street.
This
site
is
home
to
the
mother
house
for
the
sisters
of
providence
of
saint
vincent
de
paul
next
slide,
please
elizabeth!
T
So
subject:
lands
are
located
on
the
south
side
of
princess
street
west
of
the
serge
on
a
intersection.
They
are
approximately
nine
and
a
half
hectares
in
size
with
significant
footage
on
princess
street,
as
well
as
an
additional
frontage
at
the
terminus
of
fairview
road
and
phillips
street.
The
site
does
not
have
any
frontage
onto
elmwood
street
further
to
the
south.
Next
slide,
please
elizabeth,
so
to
remind
everyone.
T
At
that
meeting
we
had
a
number
of
residents
of
fairview
road
who
had
expressed
concerns
regarding
the
traffic
impact
study,
which
was
associated
with
the
proposal
at
that
time,
and
that
study
recommended
utilization
of
the
existing
fairview
road
access
as
a
controlled
egress
for
staff.
Members
of
the
home.
In
response
to
those
comments,
planning
committee
decided
to
pass
a
motion
to
defer
the
application
in
order
to
allow
planning
and
transportation
staff,
to
consider
the
comments
further
and
to
look
at
alternative
access
options
and
report
back
to
the
committee
with
those.
T
So
the
applicant
has
now
prepared
a
revised
traffic
impact
study
in
a
functional
drawing,
which
is
what
you
see
here,
and
these
are
both
now
to
the
satisfaction
of
our
transportation
services.
Staff
and
the
revised
materials
propose
an
alternative
traffic
approach,
which
involves
a
reconfiguration
of
the
existing
princess
street
access
on
the
site
to
accommodate
the
traffic
that
will
be
generated
from
the
long-term
care
home
and
the
reconfiguration
that
you
see
here
includes
a
widening
and
a
realignment
of
the
existing
driveway.
T
The
introduction,
the
introduction
of
a
redesigned
traffic
island
on
the
site,
as
well
as
an
elongation
of
the
existing
road
median
on
princess
street
street,
and
this
would
functionally
restrict
left,
turns
from
the
site.
The
traffic
study
for
clarity
no
longer
proposes
that
fairview
road
be
utilized
as
a
controlled
egress
to
accommodate
traffic
from
staff
of
the
long-term
care
home.
So
it
would
be
as
proposed
maintained
as
it
functions
today.
T
So
first
we
receive
some
questions
regarding
the
physical
changes
that
are
proposed
to
princess
street
and
the
appropriateness
of
the
approach
to
restrict
left
turns
and
through
movements
from
the
site
onto
princess
street.
So
just
wanted
to
provide
some
background
on
that,
because
I
know
that
technical
studies
can
be
very
long
and
a
lot
of
numbers
and
sometimes
hard
to
get
through.
T
So
this
approach
is
a
result
of
the
technical
analysis
of
the
traffic
consultant,
which
identified
that
the
provision
of
a
left
turn
only
egress
onto
princess
street
is
required
in
order
to
provide
an
acceptable
traffic
condition
on
the
site.
So
without
this
I
think
the
lineup
times
on
the
site
to
get
out
of
the
site
were
upwards
of.
I
think
12
or
15
minutes,
which
was
deemed
unacceptable.
T
Instead,
we
also
received
a
question
from
a
member
of
the
public
related
to
the
ongoing
functionality
of
the
plaza
to
the
north.
The
functional
changes
to
the
roadway
will
not
impact
the
existing
egress
nor
ingress
of
petri
plaza,
so
the
existing
movements
that
that
plaza,
has
access
to
onto
princess
will
continue
to
function.
T
The
traffic
consultant
also
reviewed
the
impact
of
the
flows
generated
from
the
long-term
care
home
development
to
that
plaza
on
a
business
as
usual
scenario.
So
if
the
development
was
not
to
happen
and
ultimately
concluded
that
these
flows
generated
from
the
long-term
care
home
will
not
result
in
adverse
impacts
to
that
property
beyond
which
would
be
seen
anyways
in
a
business
as
usual
scenario,
we
also
received
questions
regarding
the
appropriateness
of
a
traffic
light
at
the
state's
intersection
with
princess
street.
T
So
a
traffic
signal
was
considered
at
this
location
as
part
of
the
technical
work
completed
by
the
consultant
that
work
ultimately
identified
that
the
volumes
generated
from
the
proposed
development
did
not
meet
the
warrant
for
a
signal
here
and
that's
in
accordance
with
provincial
guidelines
that
the
traffic
engineers
follow
members
of
the
public
have
referenced.
The
proximity
of
the
intersection
to
the
existing
lights.
T
And
finally,
we
have
also
heard
comments
related
to
future
development
and
potential
traffic
approaches
for
those.
The
current
submission
relates
to
the
long-term
care
home
and
the
parking
garage
only,
and
thus
this
is
the
information
that
the
technical
assessment
has
reviewed
that
has
been
submitted
with
this
application.
T
Any
future
redevelopment
of
the
lands
with
other
uses
would
require
additional
traffic
analysis
at
the
time
of
the
application
to
review
those
flows
and
appropriateness
of
other
approaches.
To
accommodate
additional
traffic
identified
by
potential
future
development
would
be
reviewed
and
determined
at
that
time
in
consultation
with
traffic
staff.
T
Next
slide,
please
elizabeth,
so
just
as
a
summary
of
our
position
here
tonight,
so
staff
continue
to
recommend
approval
of
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
as
it
represents
good
land
use,
planning
complies
with
applicable,
provincial
and
local
planning
policy
is
supported
by
technical
analysis
and
will
facilitate
the
introduction
of
an
updated
care
facility
in
the
community.
So
just
for
clarity,
we
are
recommending
approval
of
the
bylaws,
which
were
contained
in
the
original
comprehensive
report
to
planning
committee
on
may
5th,
and
that
is
linked
in
tonight's
supplemental
report.
S
Thank
you,
ms
grant,
so
just
to
let
folks
know
how
this
will
work.
We
will
entertain
questions
and
comments
from
from
committee
and
from
the
district
council.
Who's
joined
us
tonight,
council
mclaren
and
then
we'll
give
the
public
an
opportunity
to
comment
prior
to
requesting
mover
and
a
seconder
to
get
the
the
recommendation
on
the
table
for
for
a
vote
and
final
comments
from
committee.
So
we
will
start
with
questions
from
the
committee.
Do
are
there
is?
Are
there
any
questions
from
committee?
M
M
M
T
U
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
through
you
yeah.
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
what
janiece
just
noted,
so
the
intention
is
to
physically
prevent
those
movements
from
happening.
Obviously,
people
can
make
efforts
to
do
so.
Previous
iterations
of
the
study
had
actually
considered
not
physically
restricting
it,
but
just
signing
it
as
not
permitted.
That's
where
we
get
into
concerns,
because
if
it's
just
signs
you
can
still
kind
of
very
effectively
make
that
effort.
M
Yeah
so
that
definition
of
restricted
means
prohibited
to
me
and
which
is
different
than
limiting
something,
because
when
you
limit
something
you
don't
you
don't
normally
say
is
prohibited
and
on
the
diagram
was
trying
to
point
out
you
can.
It
looks
like
you
can
make
a
left-hand
tournament
so,
and
I
thought
that
was
it
was
mentioned
by
ms
grant,
that
that
was
that
the
traffic
consultant
thought
that
was
necessary.
M
So
my
concern
is
this:
people
are
going
to
come
out
of
there
and
if
they
have
to
go
right,
even
though
they
want
to
go
west,
that's
going
to
cause
some
trouble.
It
seems
to
me-
and
perhaps
I
can
explain
to
you-
how
much
trouble
at
princeton
street
back
to
now
where
they
go
down,
go
to
sir
johnny
mcdonald
go
right
down
the
bath
road
up
the
concession
and
then
they
go
home.
M
M
U
Yeah
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
the
island
that
has
been
designed
has
been
designed
in
accordance
with
provincial
and
federal
guidelines,
for
how
we
would
expect
a
driveway
configuration
to
be
built
to
restrict
left
turns.
So
it's
been
designed
in
accordance
with
the
principles
for
that,
both
with
the
pork
chop,
that's
created,
as
well
as
with
the
extension
of
the
median,
so
it
does
meet
design
requirements
for
restricting
those
movements.
M
M
T
Through
you,
mr
chair,
the
traffic
study
is
always
recommended
right
out,
only
turns
from
princess
street.
So
the
reason
just
to
provide
some
background.
The
reason
why
the
secondary
egress
to
fairview
road
was
recommended
in
the
beginning
was
to
allow
a
westerly
kind
of
easier
way
of
traffic
from
the
site,
but
in
response
to
the
deferral
motion
that
has
been
removed
from
the
recommendation,
which
would
allow,
which
would
maintain
just
the
one
write
out
only
from
princess
street.
S
V
V
V
It
was
mentioned
that
it
wasn't
the
distance
between
lights
that
suggested
that
the
light
was
not
appropriate
at
this
time,
but
volume.
If
there
is
development
in
the
future
can
and
the
volume
increases,
would
it
be
possible
to
put
a
light
there
and
still
maintain
fairview
closed,
except
for
emergencies.
T
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
any
future
development
that
came
in
for
the
site
that
proposed
additional
volumes
would
have
to
provide
a
traffic
impact
study
similar
to
this
one,
and
that
would
provide
the
recommendat
the
recommended
approach
for
traffic.
So
that
may
include
a
traffic
light
on
princess
street.
I
would
not
speculate
as
to
what
a
traffic
consultant
would
recommend,
but
that
might
be
something
that
comes
out
of
those
traffic
studies,
and
that
would
be
something
that
the
city
would
review
at
that
time.
V
T
Yes,
thank
you
and
through
you
that
property
is
privately
owned,
so
that
would
not
be
something
that
the
city
would
be
in
a
position
to
put
a
road
through
at
this
time.
If
there
were
cooperation
between
private
property
owners
and
formal
easements
were
established,
that
may
be
a
possibility,
but
that
would
be
something
that
would
need
to
be
presented
as
part
of
a
future
development
application
for
review.
V
V
Great,
so
the
biggest
concern
that
I've
been
hearing
is
the
when
the
increased
volume
comes
along.
Residents
are
very
interested
in
making
sure
that
a
light
is
one
of
the
options,
and
I
hope
that
I
can
work
with
staff
in
the
new
term.
If
I'm
here,
to
see
if
we
can
expedite
that
at
the
best
in
the
best
possible
way
and
have
it
at
least
prepared
for
when
another
development
proposal
makes
its
way.
Would
that
be
also
possible.
S
T
T
I
would
perhaps
I
see
james
and
mr
barr
has
his
mic
on,
but
I
think
similar
to
your
other
questions.
I
think
that
would
depend
on
what's
being
proposed
in
terms
of
the
traffic
flows
and
what
makes
sense
from
a
technical
perspective.
I
don't
want
to
speculate
on
that
at
this
time,
but
I
will
pass
it
over
to
mr
barr.
W
Mr
barr,
thank
you
and
through
your
chair,
councilor
mclaren
is
a
great
question
and
all
options
are
always
on
the
table
when
a
new
development
application
comes
forward
and
sites
continue
to
build
out
through
this
specific
application.
We've
definitely
become
aware
of
the
concerns
of
the
citizens
in
the
area,
as
well
as
points
that
you
have
raised
so
any
development
application
that
would
come
in
the
future.
S
B
Thank
you,
mr
vice
chair
through
you.
I
will
note
that
we
still
have
13
members
of
the
public
with
us
at
this
time.
If
you
wish
to
speak
to
the
current
application,
please
raise
your
hand
and
zoom
so
that
we
may
develop
a
speaker's
list
and
mr
chair,
I
do
see
that
we've
got
four
hands
raised.
So
we'll
begin
with
andrew
de
santos.
X
Sure
this
is
andrew
desantos,
I'm
at
147
fairview
road.
Everyone
can
hear
me,
okay,
perfect.
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
first
thank
everyone
who
took
part
in
this
process
at
the
planning
committee
level
to
find
an
alternative
route
and
proposal
so
far
other
than
using
fairview
road
for
exit
traffic.
We
really
do
appreciate
it.
X
I
am
concerned,
however,
that
the
new
proposal
is
possibly
opening
up
future
reassessing
of
our
road
when
it
comes
to
you
know,
additional
requirements,
as
population
grows
at
1200
princess
street.
We
received
reports
in
the
city
and
received
a
note
from
the
or
a
letter
I
should
say
from
the
ceo
of
providence
village,
which
explicitly
says
that
you
know
they
will
need
to
reassess
for
future
phases
understanding
that
development
is
almost
undoubtedly
future
development
is
almost
undoubtedly
to
occur.
X
The
road
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
logical
sense
to
me
and
I
understand
there's
you
know,
costs
involved,
there's
also
time
required
with
respect
to
putting
into
life,
but
I
still
don't
understand
why
that's
not
the
go-to
and
I
get
that
the
traffic
consultants
did
their
studies
based
on
current
usage
or
projected
usage
of
the
current
state.
But
why
would
we
not
look
to
the
future
as
to
what
that
site's
gonna
end
up,
looking
like
in
say
five
or
ten
years?
X
You
know,
and
at
the
last
meeting
we
did
hear
explicitly
from
the
planning
committee
staff
that
a
traffic
light
would
be
too
close
to
other
lights,
so
we
went
and
did
their
due
diligence,
and
we
measured
and
as
the
numbers
state
that
I
emailed
in
advance
of
this
meeting,
it
wouldn't
in
fact
be
any
closer
than
any
of
the
you
know
a
number
of
the
lights
in
our
in
our
area.
So
I
just
really
want
to
push
for
that.
Out
of
the
gate,
I
don't
I
get
that
again.
X
X
For
me,
it's
about
our
safety
of
our
community
and
the
best
logical
solution
and
to
me,
that's
a
traffic
light
at
1200
princess
street,
doing
a
bunch
of
work
now
that
we're
probably
gonna
have
to
undo
when
more
people.
You
know
end
up
moving
into
that.
That
area
doesn't
make
any
sense,
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
want
to
ensure
this
development
moves
forward,
we're
excited
about
it
as
a
community,
but
not
at
the
expense
of
our
own
safety
and
our
own.
X
You
know
community
that
we
developed
over
the
number
of
years
of
living
here,
so
I'm
hoping
that
planning
committee
and
council
members
will
continue
to
support
our
strong
and
vibrant
community
and
ensuring
we
don't
get.
What
I
feel
like
at
this
point
is
bullied
into
having
our
road
opened
up
when
a
clear
and
obvious
alternate
solution
is
available.
Thank
you.
Y
We
were
told
that
the
wait
time,
if
fairview,
what
wasn't
allowed
the
wait
time
for
the
staff
members
leaving,
was
going
to
be
like
10
to
15
minutes,
and
so
basically
does
that
remain
now
like
that
seems,
is
that
just
gonna
be
an
issue
that
the
staff
members
are
gonna
have
to
deal
with,
or
what's
kind
of
happening
that
way,
because
it
doesn't
seem
like
there's
an
alternative,
and
I
just
was
wondering
how
that
stands.
That's
that's
all.
S
B
S
AA
135
fairview-
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
council
for
the
last
time
hearing
us
and
listening
to
us
and
caring
what
we
had
to
say
on
hillandale.
I
don't
think
anybody
mentioned.
We
have
a
big
development
going
on
housing
and
a
lot
of
traffic
there
right
now
and
to
turn
on
left
is
like
it's
almost
impossible
because
we
got
so
much
traffic.
AA
The
councilman
got
them
to
stop
bringing
the
trucks
the
heavy
trucks
on
that
road
for
the
building,
which
was
nice,
but
we
still
got
a
lot
of
cars
coming
on
that
road.
The
construction
cars
alone
blocks
that
road
up.
So
if
we
had
another
another
way
for
cars
to
come
through,
we'd
have
a
real
jam.
We'd
have
a
lot
of
cars
trying
to
get
out
of
here
at
certain
speeds,
getting
upset.
AA
You
know
how
it
is
when
everybody
wants
to
finish
at
five
o'clock
or
six
o'clock
trying
to
get
out
get
out
to
work
and
get
on
to
the
road.
It's
almost
impossible
and
another
point
I'd
like
to
put
is
the
pride
they
keep
saying
the
owners
the
land
is
owned.
Privately,
have
they
talked
to
the
people
that
owns
it?
Who
owns
it?
Can
we
find
out?
Is
it
possible
for
them
to
sell
the
land
or
for
the
city
to
buy
the
land?
AA
I
think
we
should
try
to
figure
out
another
way
other
than
destroying
a
community.
That's
very
tight.
The
the
the
nuns
said
they
wanted
to
leave
a
legacy.
I
don't
think
they
want
to
break
up
a
community
as
their
legacy
and
we
are
a
community.
We
all
care
for
one
another.
We
all
watch
out
for
one
another.
That's
all
I
have
to
say
thank
you.
S
AB
Sorry,
can
you
hear
me
sorry,
thank
you.
Yes,
147
fairview
road
again,
thank
you
very
much
to
the
council
for
listening
to
our
concerns
and
deferring
until
now,
at
the
very
least,
and
coming
up
with
a
new
plan,
something
that
has
been
bothering
me
since
the
last
meeting
is
pedestrian
traffic
trying
to
come
into
1200
princess
street
coming
from
the
east.
AB
Are
elderly
people
visiting
the
people
in
hospice
care.
That's
a
decent
jaunt
for
someone
a
little
bit
older
to
have
to
do
that.
Having
a
light
at
1200
princess
treat
would
help
alleviate
that
a
little
bit,
I'm
not
saying
that
and
then
we
might
have
to
put
a
bus
stop
in
there
as
well.
But
that's
another
issue
again.
I'm
glad
that
mr
duncan
raised
the
issue
of
the
new
development
in
our
neighborhood
as
well,
because
there's
a
lot
more
traffic
coming
in
already
and
the
development
is
not
even
finished.
AB
AB
And
hillandale
I
apologize
it's
still
summer.
I
have
three
more
days
of
school
before
school
starts,
they'll
both
be
catching
the
bus
right
on
the
corner
of
hillandale
and
ferry
road,
and
it's
a
busy
intersection
in
and
of
itself
already
with
the
new
school
in
the
french
school.
That's
already
there
more
traffic
is
just
going
to
increase
the
risk
already
and
if
there's
more
traffic
coming
out
of
providence
village,
then
that's
just
even
more
of
a
nightmare.
AB
AB
Why
hasn't
that
been
looked
at
more
in
depth
and
because,
if
future,
if
future
building
in
providence
village
happens,
then
it's
a
light,
is
only
going
to
make
more
sense,
and
I
know
it
traffic
studies
and
I'm
not
a
I'm,
not
an
expert
in
any
means
by
that.
That
is
not
my
forte,
but
I
we
did
the
walk
and
we
all
walked
it,
and
we
saw
that
there's
no
difference
between
1200
princess
street
and
sir
johnny
mcdonald
and
1200
princess
street
and
the
food
basics
light
and
the
difference
there
between.
AB
Sorry,
sydenham
and
john
counter
was
very
short.
I
don't
see
what
the
difference
would
be
to
put
in
a
light
there
anyway.
I,
but
I
do
appreciate
council
very
much
looking
into
other
options
so
that
our
neighborhood
can
continue
to
be
safe
for
a
little
while
longer,
at
least
yes.
Thank
you
very
much.
S
T
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
to
members
of
the
public
for
coming
to
another
meeting
for
this
one.
I
know
it's
time,
commitment
for
people,
so
we
appreciate
that
I
will
perhaps
start
and
then
I
will
pass
it
over
to
mr
scaro
to
speak.
I
think
more
specifically
to
the
technical
background
related
to
the
traffic
light
and
then,
if
miss
wood
from
the
consultant
side
would
like
to
jump
in
and
add
anything
she's
welcome
to
do
so.
T
So
I
think
the
first
question
was:
why
can't
we
install
a
light
now
if
we
know
that
we
might
potentially
need
one
in
the
future
and
does
it
doesn't
it
make
sense
to
do
all
that
work
at
once?
I
think
that's
a
reasonable
question
in
terms
of
how
the
city
evaluates
site-specific
development
applications
upgrades
to
the
road
or
servicing,
or
anything
like
that
to
accommodate
that
development
is
developer
funded.
T
So
it's
not
something
that
the
city
is
proactively,
typically
putting
money
into
outside
of
like
a
master
planning
process
or
a
larger
transportation
plan
process.
So
for
site-specific
development
such
as
this
we're
approving
the
develop
the
the
upgrades
that
the
development
requires
in
order
to
function.
So
that
is
why
the
city
is
not
putting
extra
money
into
a
light
at
this
stage,
as
it's
not
warranted
at
this
time,
and
we
don't
know
what
the
traffic
volumes
would
be
in
order
to
construct
an
appropriate
life
for
that
I'll
leave
the
rest
of
that.
T
If
miss
mascara
wants
to
add
anything,
but
I
will
move
on
for
now.
I
think
the
next
question
was
related
to
wait
time
for
the
site
and
if
those
will
be
long,
as
are
mentioned
in
the
traffic
report-
and
I
think
just
to
reiterate
what
was
said
before
the
long
wait
times
were
related
to
allowing
right
and
through
movements
from
the
site
onto
princess
street,
which
is
why
they
write
sorry
left
turns
and
three
movements
onto
princess
street,
which
is
why
right
turns
are
the
only
permitted
movement
from
the
site
now.
T
So
the
long
wait
times
that
we're
referencing
the
traffic
study
wouldn't
happen
under
the
recommended
approach
for
write
out
only
the
reason
fairview
road
was
previously
recommended,
as
a
compliment
to
that
write
out
only
was
to
allow
a
western
exit
from
the
site
rather
than
having
people
go
princess
to
search
on
aid
to
bath
and
throughout
the
city.
So
the
wait
times
on
the
site
from
a
traffic
technical
perspective
are
not
a
concern
at
this
time.
U
Are
you,
mr
chair,
so
yeah?
As
mrs
graham
noted,
a
traffic
signal
at
this
location
is
not
supported
by
the
technical
work
that
was
completed
for
this
development.
It
was
evaluated
based
on
the
information
that's
available
for
this
development
at
this
time
and
would
be
subject
to
review
for
further
development
under
future
traffic
studies
for
any
further
changes
on
the
site.
U
I
think
there
was
a
question
as
well
about
pedestrian
access
across
the
road
in
that
consideration,
so
that
is
also
considered
and
can
be
considered
separately
if
there
are
changes
relative
to
use
or
warrants
from
a
pedestrian
access
standpoint
that
may
also
be
considered
by
the
city
in
the
future
for
pedestrian
access.
Specifically,
we
do
have
different
considerations
might
be
introducing
a
controlled
pedestrian
crossing,
such
as
a
signalized
pedestrian
crossing,
not
necessarily
triggering
a
full
traffic
signal.