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Planning Committee meeting from March 31, 2022; this is a continuation of the meeting recessed on March 24, 2022. For full meeting agenda visit https://bit.ly/3JYniBd
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Through
you,
I
can
confirm
that
we
do
have
quorum
and
we
actually
have
all
members
of
the
committee
present
here
this
evening
joining
us
from
staff.
We
currently
have
tim
park
director
of
planning
services,
james
barr
manager,
of
development
approvals,
chris
wicka
senior
planner.
We
have
ian
semple
director
of
transport
services,
karen
santucci,
director
of
public
works
and
solid
waste,
ruth
nordograph,
director
of
housing
and
social
services,
jennifer
campbell
director
of
heritage
services.
B
We
have
eugene
connors
from
forestry,
a
forestry
technologist
as
well
as
mike
dakin
resource
planner
with
the
crca
is
present
as
well.
We
have
sorry,
mr
chair.
We
have
agents
here
to
represent
the
applicants
as
well
as
39
members
of
the
public.
At
this
time
in
the
gallery.
I
am
elizabeth
fawcett.
I
am.
The
committee
clerk
and
blair
johnson
is
joining
us
as
host
this
evening
with.
C
A
A
Perfect,
thank
you
so
much
and
thanks
to
everyone
for
joining
us,
another
full
house
tonight,
which
is
excellent.
We're
going
to
now
start
the
meeting,
but
I
just
want
to
say
that,
as
way
of
reminder,
we're
just
simply
picking
up
from
the
recess.
So
that
means
the
meeting
that
was
started
last
thursday
at
this
time
is
continuing
now,
and
that
has
a
few
implications.
A
Only
that's
what
we're
here
to
do
tonight,
we'll
give
it
over
to
committee
members
counselors,
who
are
with
us
tonight
to
do
just
that
as
well.
So
we're
starting
right
into
things
because
again
we're
just
picking
up
from
the
recess
that
we've
had
and
with
that
said,
I'll
look
to
the
clerk
for
direction
on
the
speakers
list.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
through
you,
I'm
just
going
to
scroll
back
up
here
for
my
list
for
those
who
are
joining
us
this
evening,
who
wish
to
speak
to
the
application
we
do
require
you
to
use
the
raise
hand
function
in
zoom.
Should
you
wish
to
speak
that
is
located
in
the
center
of
your
screen?
When
you
move
the
mouse
over
your
zoom
window
for
those
who
are
joining
us
via
phone,
you
will
be
required
to
press
star
9
in
order
for
your
hand
to
be
raised.
Should
you
wish
to
speak,
mr
chair?
A
Yeah
that
sounds
good
to
me
and
I'll
just
make
one
more
comment,
then,
as
we
wait
a
reminder
to
everyone
here
tonight
that,
if
you've
spoken
before
during
this
meeting,
you're
not
eligible
to
speak
again
but
you're
always
welcome
to
submit
any
written
correspondence
or
other
material
that
you
would
like
to
have
as
official
consideration
for
the
committee
to
the
clerk
miss
fawcett
who's
here
or
to
the
senior
planner
mr
wicca
who's.
Also,
here
tonight
and
later
in
the
evening,
we
can
have
those
emails
broadcast
counselor
hill
point
of
order.
D
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to
clarify,
because
it
came
up
at
the
last
meeting
that
the
respondents
were
getting
or
sorry.
The
applicants
were
getting
too
much
time
to
respond,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
it
was
clear
to
folks
that
when
the
applicant
is
responding,
it
is
only
to
the
question
that
was
asked:
they're,
not
adding
new
information
to
their
presentation,
so
so
their
their
response,
and
time
is
limited
to
that.
To
that
I
just
want
to
clarify
mr
chair.
That
is
exactly
the
way
it's
supposed
to
work.
A
Yeah
you've
got
it
right
on
so
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up,
and
I
should
just
be
clear
too
that
I
always
time
to
make
sure
that
the
applicant
doesn't
speak
longer
than
the
number
of
individuals.
Who've
asked
questions
from
the
public
times
those
number
of
individuals.
So
if,
let's
say
seven
people
spoke
for
roughly
five
minutes,
then
I'll
always
ensure
the
applicant
keeps
within
their
35
minutes
in
response.
So
everyone
has
a
fair
shake
here.
So
thanks
counselor
hill
for
bringing
that
up
all
right.
Madam
clerk,
do
we
have
individuals
ready
to
go.
E
So
good
evening,
planning
committee,
my
name
is
wendy
bowen
and
I
live
at
121
ellsmere
avenue
in
kingston.
So
in
the
last
14
years,
I've
had
the
good
fortune
to
live
and
back
onto
a
vibrant
urban
forest.
But
sadly,
in
the
span
of
four
weeks
that
urban
forest
of
200
mature
trees
was
completely
destructed
by
large
noisy
machines
to
the
demise
of
countless
species
of
birds
and
animals.
E
E
Those
mature
trees
provide
many
benefits
for
kingstonians
right
now.
Air
purification,
carbon
storage,
cooling
temperatures
as
the
climate
crisis
gets
worse.
Flood
control
as
rain
events
become
more
extreme
soil
erosion,
wildlife,
habitat,
even
mental
health
benefits,
as
people
just
love
their
green
spaces.
The
good
news
is
that
all
of
these
services
are
free
and
provided
by
an
intact
thriving
forest
remediation
entails
reversing
environmental
damage.
E
So,
while
the
developers
proposal
may
be
providing
site
remediation
of
the
contaminants,
kingston
is
losing
key
environmental
benefits
provided
by
nature.
To
the
community,
damage
is
actually
being
done,
not
reversed,
so
my
question
is:
how
will
the
developer
retain
or
replace
all
the
above
mentioned,
benefits
provided
by
the
tannery
trees
to
the
community?
E
E
How
will
the
air
be
purified?
How
will
the
temperature
be
cooled
if
the
answer
is
that
the
problem
with
the
metals
is
bigger
than
the
ecological
value
of
the
trees?
My
follow-up
question
would
be:
how
can
the
developer
quantify
the
impact
of
metal
contamination
versus
the
loss
of
environmental
benefits
provided
by
the
trees?
E
E
Which
scenario
is
worse,
or
do
we
even
know
at
this
point
before
we
move
ahead
with
this
huge,
obviously
destructive
project,
we
would
need
to
know
the
most
basic
information
about
how
it
will
be
done
and
its
impact
kingstonians
deserve
more
assurances
of
how
effective
or
safe
it
will
be.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
E
F
Okay,
hi
I'm
here
to
speak
about
design
and
I
don't
have
questions.
I
have
a
few
comments.
I
feel
I
have
a
right
to
speak
about
design
because
my
undergraduate
degree
was
in
fine
art,
which
was
the
history
of
art
and
architecture,
and
I
wanted
to
just
commend
planning
for
one
building
that
I
totally
love
the
the
new
buildings
at
university
and
princess
street.
I
think
they're
just
awesome
and
I
go
out
of
my
way
to
drive
up
university
to
just
really
look
at
where
history
and
innovation
thrive.
So
I'm
not
anti-development.
F
I
really
like
good
design.
Okay,
so
I
have
five
very
quick
points.
I
know
you,
you
know,
try
not
to
take
up
too
much
time.
The
first
was
mentioned
by
mike
dakin,
and
that
is
that
the
the
prob,
the
basic
problem
is
that
the
design
was
made
first
and
then
he's
trying
to
fit
the
site
to
the
design,
and
this
is
us
backwards.
F
I
mean
you
should
start
with
the
site
and
then
create
a
design
that
works
for
the
site,
and
so
I'm
you
know
thinking
trying
to
think
of
alternatives
that
might
be
better
suited
to
the
site,
like
maybe
a
couple
of
high-rises
and
maybe
car
access
from
montreal
street,
even
because
of
the
situation
with
the
knp
trail.
This
is
the
second
point
the
way
it's
designed.
F
It
will
really
destroy
safe
use
of
the
knp
trail,
both
on
river
street
and
on
rideau
street,
because
the
car
access
will
cut
right
across
the
trail,
and
I
think
that
is
at
odds
with
the
city's
desire
to
increase
safe,
active
transportation
for
tourism,
recreation
and
commuting.
It
will
definitely
become
less
safe.
F
The
third
point
is
that
the
design
is
car-centric
from
california.
It's
the
opposite
of
what
should
be
happening.
If
the
city
is
really
concerned
about
climate
change,
it
is
just
five
or
ten
minutes
too
far
for
people
to
actually
be
able
to
walk
easily
to
shopping
and
to
work,
and
this
goes
against
the
15
minute
range-
that's
being
espoused
by
the
north
kingstown
plan.
F
F
They
just
can't
do
the
job
that
nature
does
so
I
I
just
don't
know
what
can
and
oh
tourism
kingston
also
is
expressing
an
interest
in
having
people
come
and
kayak
along
the
shoreline,
because
the
wildlife
is
so
incredible.
So
again,
it
kind
of
goes
against
some
of
the
things
that
the
city
is
is
planning.
Finally,
I
really
get
upset
about
the
misleading
pictures
like
the
boathouse.
F
The
boathouse
is
not
is,
is
in
pristine
water
in
the
picture.
We
all
know
that
it's
shallow
and
weedy,
and
this
is
a
not
an
accurate
depiction
of
where
the
boathouse
would
be,
and
similarly
the
trees,
like
patrice
people,
have
said
that
trees
cannot
be
planted
above
the
cap
because
the
roots
would
not
be
able
to.
There
is
some
insufficient
soil
for
the
roots
of
the
trees.
So
I
think
these
images
should
be
changed
because
it's
just
unfair
to
promote
something.
That's
not
real.
A
A
G
G
So
that's
the
best
thing
for
the
tree
is
to
chop
it
down,
and
I
would
like
to
present
a
different
narrative
to
the
city
and
the
planning
committee.
If
the
tree
has
lived
200
years
now,
I
think
it
will
continue
living
and
the
narrative
and
the
experiment
I
would
like
to
present
is
allow
the
tree
to
live.
G
A
I
Good
evening,
I'm
assuming
you
can
hear
me,
my
name
is
gavin
hutchison
and
I'm.
Oh
sorry,
I
did
have
a
slide
presentation
that
was
here.
It
comes
fantastic,
I'm
gavin
hutchison
and
I
live
at
33
ontario
street
and
I'm
a
member
of
350
kingston,
which
is
a
climate
advocate
group,
and
I
do
want
to
just
take
a
brief
moment
to
set
the
stage
before
I
draw
your
attention
to
something
that
is
of
concern
to
me.
Climate
change
is
an
urgent
global
crisis.
I
B
A
J
I
I
That
was
a
report
that
presented
pathways
to
keep
our
temperature
rise
to
under
1.5
degrees,
and
if
you
see
the
dark,
the
blue
line
on
this
graph
you'll
see
that
it
is
a
straight
line
from
where
we
were
to
zero
at
2040,
and
that
line
gave
us
a
two
chances
out
of
three
that
we
would
re
retain
a
livable
planet
for
everyone
who
lives
on
it
and
not
careen
into
runaway
climate
change.
Next
slide,
please.
I
This
slide
was
presented
to
the
negotiators
at
cop26
in
just
october
of
last
year,
so
it
was
three
years
later
and
you
will
see
that
the
orangey
yellow
line
from
where
we
are
to
2040
is
a
straight
line
and
the
50
load
symbol
is
on
that
line.
So,
in
the
space
of
three
years,
the
best
information
that
the
best
scientists
around
the
world
can
can
calculate
our
chances
of
staying
below
one
and
a
half
degrees.
I
If
we
get
to
zero
by
2040
in
a
straight
line,
not
in
a
big
bulge
but
in
a
straight
line,
is
a
50
50
chance
that
we
will
leave
our
children
a
livable
planet
like
the
one
we
inherited
next
slide.
Please
this
is
the
davis
tannery
gas
load
summary
in
which
I
picked
out
of
all
the
documentation
and,
as
you
can
see,
for
connected
heating
load,
it
is
assuming
that
the
400
units
in
phase
one
will
be
heated
by
natural
gas,
along
with
the
office
space.
I
The
air
makeup
units,
the
water
heating,
will
also
be
natural,
gas
and,
and
there
will
be
an
emergency
generator
on
site
that
will
also
be
powered
by
natural
gas.
Here
we
are
with
your
your
committee
being
presented
with
a
plan
to
introduce
a
new,
very
sizable
when
we
talking
about
four
phases
and
four
times
this,
this
magnitude
of
natural
gas
consumption.
A
K
K
K
So
I
have
concerns
about
that
about
the
environmental,
the
potential
for
an
environmental
disaster.
You
know
and
I'm
looking
at
it,
I'm
like.
Why
aren't
we
planting
trees
in
there?
Why
aren't
we
taking
popular
trees
and
putting
them
into
that
location
right?
So
they
can
help
clean
up
that
land
and
then
my
other
concern
is.
K
K
How
are
we
making
our
decisions
right?
Is
it
based
on
money
right?
We
keep
trying
to
make
this
money
and
we
keep
trying
to
find
it
right.
Maybe
we
need
to
rethink
our
policies
about
the
decisions
we're
making,
and
maybe
the
environment
needs
to
come
first
right,
and
you
know
I
draw
our
attention
on
countries
like
the
netherlands
right
where
a
lot
of
their
policies
are
based
on
the
environment
right
and
that
becomes
the
first
priority,
and
I
don't
see
that
in
any
of
the
in
the
plans
here
as
I
go
through
them
tonight.
K
So
that's
all
I
want
to
say
is
if
we
go
through
with
this
development
and
there's
a
notch
like
a
disaster
from
it,
who's
prepared
to
take
responsibility
for
that,
what
kind
of
mitigation
services
are
going
to
be
on
site
and
secondly,
with
the
trees
who's
gonna
handle
that
problem,
because
that
is
a
huge,
huge,
huge
piece
of
land,
that's
being
clear-cut.
To
put
a
lot
of
concrete
in.
Thank
you.
L
L
Remediation
measures
for
these
soils
is
a
vastly
expensive
endeavor.
I
have
not
seen
the
proposal
to
investors
for
this
development.
However,
I
can
imagine
the
possibility
is
significant
that
the
building
will
have
to
go
higher
in
number
of
floors
or
more
luxurious
in
order
to
create
the
return
on
investment
pitched
to
investors.
L
L
A
Perfect,
thank
you
and
then
I'll
just
make
one
comment
as
chair,
which
won't
go
towards
your
time,
but
in
our
procedural
bylaw,
it
is
acceptable
to
have
audio
visual
material,
provided
that
it's
been
given
to
the
clerk
in
advance.
So
if
ms
faucet
has
it,
I
will
allow
it
with
the
general
rule
of
all
committees
being
we
have
to
be
speaking
to
issues
that
are
on
the
agenda.
M
A
N
N
There
are
a
lot
of
trees
in
the
halifax
region,
how
many
maybe
a
thousand,
maybe
a
hundred
thousand
well
try
52
million
put
together.
All
those
trees
are
part
of
what
we
call
the
urban
forest.
In
fact,
the
municipality
has
a
442
page
long
document
about
this
called
the
urban
forest
master
plan
and,
if
you're
wondering
why
we
need
442
pages
for
trees,
you've
come
to
the
right
place
because,
as
it
turns
out,
trees
aren't
just
pretty
things
to
look
at.
N
They
actually
provide
many
important
benefits,
for
example,
air
purification
in
a
city
the
air
can
easily
become
polluted,
whether
that's
from
industrial
activity
or
even
just
traffic
from
the
streets.
Now,
one
way
to
make
sure
our
air
is
clean
and
breathable
is
to
purify
it
with
cool
things
like
the
smog
free
tower
it
sucks
and
pollutants
from
the
air
turns
it
into
rings
and
costs
just
fifty
four
thousand
dollars
each
or
you
could
plant
a
tree
because
trees
are
experts
at
cleaning
the
air.
N
They
trap
airborne
pollutants
with
their
leaves
and
taken
carbon
dioxide
through
photosynthesis.
In
total,
we
estimate,
trees
and
halifax
trap,
1478
metric
tons
of
pollutants.
Every
year,
so
next
time
you're,
I
don't
know
breathing
you
can
thank
a
tree
for
that.
Here's
another
benefit.
Trees
are
cool
to
be
around
literally
yeah.
They
provide
shade
for
people
in
nearby
buildings,
but
they
also
cool
through
a
process
called
evapotranspiration
on
a
hot
sunny
day.
Trees
are
releasing
water
into
the
atmosphere,
cooling,
the
air
around
them,
and
that
is
crucial
for
a
city.
N
You
see
urban
areas
have
a
lot
of
surfaces
that
either
create
heat
or
reflect
heat,
and
that
usually
means
cities
are
hotter
than
their
surroundings,
a
phenomenon
known
as
the
urban
heat
island
effect.
So
it's
the
solution
to
set
up
a
bunch
of
air
conditioners
on
our
streets,
heck
no
plant
a
tree.
Instead,
here's
one
more
when
it
rains
in
halifax,
which
is
quite
often
that
water
has
to
go
somewhere
and
if
not
handled
properly,
it
can
lead
to
flooding
and
erosion.
Well,
trees
play
an
essential
role
in
handling
that
storm
water.
N
They
slow
it
down
with
their
foliage
while
their
roots
absorb
water
and
stabilize
the
soil
around
them.
They're
kind
of
like
a
living
shamwow
remember
those
anyways
trees
come
with
a
lot
of
benefits
and
it
turns
out
you
can
do
the
math
on
how
valuable
they
are
with
that
many
smart
people
have
calculated
that
trees
and
halifax
provide
9.6
million
dollars
worth
of
air
purifying
services,
12.4
million
dollars
worth
of
cooling
and
2.1
million
dollars
in
savings
for
storm
water
management.
N
In
fact,
it's
estimated
that
for
every
dollar
we
spend
on
a
tree
in
halifax,
we
get
eight
dollars
back
in
benefits,
but
money
isn't
even
half
the
story.
Here.
Studies
have
linked
urban
trees
to
lowering
stress,
reducing
crime,
reducing
noise,
slowing
down
traffic,
lowering
road
rage,
reducing
the
number
of
accidents,
increasing
property
values
and
yeah.
It's
a
lot.
N
So
if
there's
one
thing
you
need
to
take
away
from
all
this
is
that
trees
are
really
really
useful
and
important,
but
if
you
can
spare
a
bit
more
time,
I
want
to
leave
you
with
two
more
things:
size
isn't
always
everything
in
life,
but
when
it
comes
to
trees,
it
makes
all
the
difference.
Larger
trees
means
more
air
purification,
more
cooling
and
more
water
absorption,
and
it's
not
just
that
bigger
trees
are
better.
The
relationship
between
a
tree's
size
and
its
benefits
is
exponential.
N
Is
located
is
key
as
a
general
rule
of
thumb,
the
closer
trees
are
to
people
the
more
good
they
can
do
for
people.
A
really
effective
spot
is
the
space
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
road.
That's
where
a
tree
can
provide
shade
and
cooling
for
nearby
buildings
while
absorbing
pollutants
from
road
traffic
and
yeah.
All
that
stuff
I
mentioned
earlier,
and
that
can
be
tricky
in
many
cities.
This
part
of
the
road
is
also
used
for
power
lines
and
having
trees
growing
near
these
lines
can
be
a
hazard.
A
All
right,
let's
try
to
interrupt
the
video
questions
for
everyone,
we'll
keep
it
up.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
giving
the
context
at
the
beginning.
That's
helpful.
So,
madam
clerk,
we
will
turn
it.
I
believe,
to
our
city
staff,
mr
barr,
to
facilitate
answers
to
these
questions.
O
P
All
right,
so,
thank
you
very
much
and
I'll,
maybe
just
take
a
minute
to
introduce
myself
for
those
who
didn't
attend
last
time.
My
name
is
mark
tao,
I'm
a
registered
professional
planner
with
ibi
groups.
We
are
representing
the
owner
with
respect
to
planning
matters
also
with
us
this
evening
is
rob
snetzinger
the
project,
biologist,
ecologist
and
kevin
chipley.
Who
is
the
project
environmental
engineer
from
xcg?
P
On
top
of
the
cap
and
deeper
depths,
where
it's
pre-planned,
for
example,
or
additional
soils
brought
in
so
the
conceptual
landscape
plan
was
shown,
does
in
fact
reflect
what
could
be
done
in
the
site
with
respect
to
nutrient
plantings,
replacement,
vegetation,
etc.
So
just
to
clarify
that
element
of
the
plans
with
respect
to
the
design
of
the
site
in
terms
of
being
car,
centric
and
lack
of
walkability,
so
the
site
in
and
of
itself,
because
it
is
intended
to
provide
a
variety
of
commercial
uses,
including
convenience,
commercial
and
also
employment
opportunities.
P
The
idea
is
that
there
would
be
lots
of
opportunities
to
walk
for
residents
within
the
site
to
get
their
daily
needs
met
within
the
within
the
commercial
operations
of
the
site.
It's
also
anticipated
that
this
site
would
also
provide
a
local
hub
for
the
neighborhood,
so
for
those
portions
of
the
neighborhood
that
perhaps
are
too
far
to
walk
to
downtown
on
a
daily
basis,
there
would
be
services
and
commercial
commercial
opportunities
available
to
local
residents
outside
and
development,
as
well.
P
With
respect
to
comments
about
using
natural
gas
versus
using
electric,
the
the
site
will
use
gas.
As
most
developments
do.
The
developer
does
use
electric
only
in
other
buildings.
It
depends
on
the
availability
of
local
infrastructure,
so
some
municipalities
are
able
to
provide
sufficient
electricity
to
completely
service
the
building
or
apartment
building
with
using
electricity
versus
gas.
P
This
building
is
proposed
to
use
gas
for
some
of
its
energy
needs,
but
it's
also
proposed
to
be
designed
to
use
25
percent
less
energy
than
the
national
building
standard
would
would
allow
or
require,
and
as
time
progresses
future
phases.
There
may
be
opportunities
to
further
reduce
that
that
gas
loading
that's
required
with
respect
to,
I
guess
the
value
of
trees.
P
I
don't
think
anybody
here
is
debating
the
value
of
trees
on
the
site
for
multiple
reasons.
I
think
the
the
challenge
that
we
have
here
is
that
the
site
is
not
a
pristine
urban
forest
and
there
is
significant
contamination
on
the
site
and
so
trying
to
balance
a
variety
of
goals
and
needs
in
terms
of
providing
residential
housing
opportunities
within
an
urban
area
through
intensification
may,
in
some
cases,
require
removable
trees
to
accomplish
that
and
part
of
that.
P
The
rationale
behind
that
is,
it
does
offset
the
removal
of
lands,
undeveloped
lands
outside
of
the
urban
boundaries,
so
farmland
or
forested
areas
or
other
naturalized
areas.
So
you
know
it's
not
a
black
and
white.
I
think
situation
where
it's
a
question
of
removing
trees
or
not.
I
think
the
the
nuance
here
is
that
the
site,
although
it
has
been
re-vegetated
since
its
industrial
history,
it
does
also
contain
a
significant
industrial
contamination
legacy
as
well.
That
does
compromise
the
health
of
the
of
the
site,
the
soils
and
does
have
impact
off-site.
P
So
it's
really
a
balancing
of
a
number
of
different
things
and,
and
you
know
the
primary
driver
behind
the
site
and
why
it's
why
it's
a
supportable,
viable
redevelopment
site
is
because
of
that
significant
contamination
in
the
history
of
of
its
100
plus
years
of
in
heavy
industrial
use,
rather
than,
for
example,
an
urban
area
of
the
city.
That's
forested
that
hasn't
previously
been
developed
and
or
isn't
contaminated.
Q
Yeah,
so
there
were
a
number
of
comments
about
the
trees
and
a
number
of
people
said
that
the
trees,
in
their
opinion,
are
able
to
clean
up
the
the
soil,
and,
I
think,
there's
a
number
of
points
to
be
made
on
that.
The
the
main
type
of
contamination
at
this
site
is
heavy
metal
contamination
and
the
metals
themselves
are
in
a
are
they're
elemental.
So
when
you're
talking
about
chromium
when
you're
talking
about
lead,
these
are
our
chemical
elements
in
the
periodic
table.
Q
They
do
form
different
compounds,
but
the
contaminant
itself
the
lead,
the
chromium,
the
zinc
so
on
they
are,
they
don't
break
down.
They
can't
bio
degrade.
The
only
way
that
they
can
break
down
is
through
splitting
the
atom
basically,
and
that
doesn't
really
happen
in
a
natural
environment,
so
the
trees,
it's
true,
the
trees
do
tend
to
take
up
the
metals
to
some
degree.
Q
Q
The
trees
have
not
been
able
to
reduce
those
high
concentrations
in
all
the
many
decades
that
have
taken
that
have
happened
since
the
lead
smelter
was
operating
since
the
tannery
was
operating
so
that
so,
although
they
do
remove
some
metals
from
the
soil,
it
takes
a
very
very
long
time
and-
and
it's
not
happening
at
any
acceptable
rate.
In
my
opinion,
at
this
site.
R
Q
So
the
other
thing
is,
you
know.
Kind
of
kind
of
the
main
point
here
is
that,
in
order
to
develop
this
site-
and
I
know
a
number
of
people
feel
it
shouldn't
be
developed,
but
in
order
to
develop
this
site
as
a
residential
project,
which
I
think
our
team
has
demonstrated,
provides
a
net
benefit
to
the
community.
Q
Q
Essentially
what
it
is
is
that
we
realize
that
tree
has
value
and-
and
we
think
it's
unfortunate,
but
unfortunately,
there's
no
way
of
saving
that
tree
from
the
investigations
I've
done,
given
that
we
have
to
address
the
contaminated
soil
around
the
tree
and
would
the
tree
survive
continue
to
survive
in
the
contaminated
soil.
I
think
it
likely
would.
But
the
main
point
is
that
that
contaminated
soil
poses
a
risk
to
humans.
Q
It
poses
a
risk
to
to
ecological
receptors,
animals
and
other
types
of
plants
and
in
order
to
meet
the
ministry
of
the
environment
standards
in
order
to
change
this
into
a
residential
development
or
in
order
to
change
it
into
a
park
area,
both
of
which
are
being
done
here.
That's
that
soil
needs
to
be
addressed,
and
unfortunately,
we
can't
save
the
the
tree
and
and
address
the
soil
in
the
manner
that
it
needs
to
be
addressed.
So
I
think
that's.
S
S
R
S
Here,
the
valley
of
the
tree
can
be
determined
by
something
called
this
coefficient
of
conservatism,
which
is
based
on
the
flourish.
Equality
index
that
government
ontario
has
produced
tree
or
all
plants
get
a
value
of
between
one
and
ten,
a
really
really
really
valuable
period,
which
I
don't
think
kinston
has
any
would
have
a
coc
value
of
10..
S
P
Okay,
all
right
thanks,
rob
yeah
all
right.
It's
I
mean
a
lot
there's
a
lot
of
nuance.
I
think
in
many
of
these
questions
it's
hard
to
often
address
nuance
and
to
respond
with
nuance
in
this
forum,
so
again
we'll
try
to
provide
also
written
responses
to
to
the
many
comments
that
have
been
received
both
last
meeting
in
this
meeting.
O
T
Thank
you,
mr
byron.
Through
you,
mr
chair,
I
I
think
just
yeah
to
speak
to
that
point
that
was
brought
up
by
miss
ferrar.
Any
connections
across
the
kmp
trail
and,
along
with
any
other
accents
points
into
the
site,
are
continue
to
be
under
discussion
as
part
of
the
review
of
the
transportation
study
that's
been
submitted
by
the
applicant
in
support
of
this
development,
so
the
city
as
part
of
this
ongoing
review,
we
would
require
safe,
accessible
connections,
be
included
prior
to
the
acceptance
of
of
the
transportation
study
and
approval
of
the
recommendation.
T
Approval
of
the
development,
the
detailed
design
elements
of
of
the
internal
transportation
network
of
the
site
and
the
connections
that
are
made
to
the
city's
existing
infrastructure
sidewalks
pathways
roadways
that
would
continue
to
be
finalized
through
those
future
applications.
But
I
think
to
respond
to
the
question
we
certainly
would
would
be
looking
for
and
requiring
safe
and
accessible
connections
across
any
of
that
infrastructure.
Thank
you.
U
Thank
you
and
to
you,
mr
chair,
so
you
know
those
are
obviously
very
important
pieces
that
are
brought
forward.
We
are
aware,
obviously,
that
at
the
tannery
sites
there
there
are
typically
a
few
individuals
that
are
preferring
that
location
due
to
its
remote
remoteness,
but
also
because
of
the
proximity
to
services.
U
We
we
also
do
have
a
protocol
and
an
encampment
protocol
and
approach
that
ultimately
does
prohibit
people
from
sleeping
in
parks,
but
we
obviously
also
know
because
of
the
pandemic
and
the
limited
shelter
capacity
that
that
has
been
an
ongoing.
You
know,
process
in
the
community.
We
are
working
on
bringing
back
shelter
capacity,
we've
added
shelter
solutions
and
we're
obviously
also
continuing
to
work
on
on
a
variety
of
different
housing
solutions:
supportive
housing,
transitional
housing.
We
are
also
continuing
to
discuss.
U
You
know
the
encampments
across
the
community,
so
definitely
something
that
we're
very
aware
of.
We
continue
to
provide
services
to
those
individuals
that
do
camp
at
the
tannery
side
and
elsewhere
in
the
community
and
are
working
on
on
some
shorts
and
long-term
solutions
for
those
individuals
as
well.
O
B
Let's
share
through
you,
we
currently
have
two
hands
raised
at
this
time.
If
I
could
just
suggest
for
those
who
are
joining
us.
If
you
could,
please
raise
your
hand
now,
should
you
wish
to
speak,
and
you
have
not
already
spoken
to
the
file.
If
you
could,
please
raise
your
hand
now
so
that
we
may
notify
the
numbers
here
and
mr
chair,
I
do
see
a
number
of
hands
coming
up
so
again
for
those
joining
us.
Please
raise
your
hand
so
that
we
may
call
on
you,
as
the
meeting
goes
forward.
J
A
Okay,
so
I
did
hear
a
partial
turtle
response,
but
if
it's
not
to
your
satisfaction,
that's
perfectly
fair
and
good.
You
can
bring
that
up
during
counselor
question
times
and
drill
home
on
that.
If
you'd
like
to.
Thank
you
very
much
appreciate
it.
Thanks
for
bringing
it
up.
Okay,
mr
zeman.
I'll
start
your
time
now
after
you.
V
Thank
you
very
much.
I
hope
everybody
can
hear
me.
My
name
is
frank
ziemann.
I
live
at
3798
county
road
2,
which
is
highway
2
on
the
east
end
of
kingston.
So
first
I
would
just
say:
recognize
environmental
justice.
The
fact
that
we
can
dig
up
our
pollution
and
dump
it
on
someone
else
just
because
we're
rich-
and
I
would
suggest
that
the
planning
committee
state
or
make
a
condition
that
any
excavated
soil
be
treated
on-site.
It
can
be
treated
chemically.
We
have
lots
of
great
people
here.
Who
can
do
it?
V
V
I
would
point
out
that
the
scale
seems
off
if
you
look
at
village
on
the
river
or
front
neck
village
as
appropriate
developments
in
the
area.
They
increase
density
by
about
a
factor.
Five
there's
about
200
units
in
village
on
the
river
versus
40
in
the
general
area,
and
that
is
how
nature
works.
One,
two
five
ten.
You
do
not
go
one
to
a
hundred,
so
you're
going
to
have
a
really
disruptive
force
here.
V
Phytoremediation
is
active
and
can
be
done
during
the
entire
lifetime,
so
there's
no
reason
not
to
include
it
in
the
design.
They
mentioned
commercial
use.
Anybody
who
walks
downtown
knows
there's
a
lot
of
empty
storefronts
and
I'm
not
sure
how
adding
more
empty
storefronts
is
going
to
help
anything.
V
V
V
One
interesting
thing:
if
climate
change
is
of
issue,
does
the
design
include
electric
car
charging
ports
some
things
like
that
and
solar
panels
in
a
more
rigorous
way
than
the
cartoon
showed
a
few
panels
here
and
there
I'm
a
former
rower
from
the
kingston
royal
club
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
that
area.
Any
boat
traffic
is
going
to
create
absolute
havoc
and
you're
going
to
have
to
we
de-weed
the
area
you're
going
to
have
sediment
stirred
up.
V
So
I
think
that's
for
investors
to
see
in
an
image
and
not
for
anybody
to
do
really,
or
we
were
told
when
we
were
rowing,
do
not
go
in
the
water,
you
will
get
sick
and
my
understanding
is,
if
any
is
anything
is
excavated
from
that
area?
It
is
immediately
toxic
waste.
So
that
is
something
to
consider
for
the
boat.
V
The
comment
the
developers
made
on
clientele
anybody
planning
to
move
to
green
point
or
north
of
the
401
would
never
consider
this
development.
So
that's
a
boot
point.
They
would
they
would
they
want
their
acres
and
their
barbecue
and
that's
fine
and
to
this
turtle
point
and
the
pollution
point
in
general.
I
would
encourage
the
city
council
to
demand
a
much
higher
hold
back,
because
there
will
inevitably
be
pollution.
V
There
will
be
inevitably
damaged
and
there'll
be
inevitably
be
things
that
need
to
be
repaired
and
you're
going
to
need
that
money,
because
my
guess
is.
The
developer
is
using
a
special
purpose
vehicle
to
do
this
construction,
and
that
means
you
won't
have
anybody
to
sue
once
they're
gone.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
W
W
W
The
site
of
grandmother
oak
park
is
completely
central
to
the
city's
shoreline
and
stream
bed
conservation.
It
could
be
a
very
beautiful
and
inspiring
restoration
park,
and
the
brownfield
cleanup
can
shine
a
beacon
for
what's
possible
when
nature
is
taken
as
a
partner
and
not
ignored
as
an
impediment.
W
There
is
even
a
perfect
place
for
a
short
footbridge
over
to
belle
island
park
with
a
footbridge
it
could
quickly
become
a
destination
for
weddings,
postcards
and
everybody
would
want
to
be
there
on
the
other
side
of
the
bridge.
Bell
park
would
become
not
just
the
biggest
but
also
the
most
important
park
in
the
city
as
it
deserves
to
be.
W
It's
axiomatic
that
we
jump
on
dump
on
and
degrade
the
most
beautiful
life-sustaining
soul-sustaining
places
in
our
midst.
Repairing
that
damage
is
the
most
important
work
that
there
is
being
a
leader
in
a
self-declared
climate.
Emergency
means
doing
more
than
just
ringing
in
the
town.
Crier's
bell.
It
means
doing
green
things
that
remediate
past
wrongs.
W
The
marsh
to
the
north
of
bell
island
might
be
more
significant
in
size
than
the
repeatedly
diminished
marsh
of
the
inner
harbor,
but
it
is
as
yet
essentially
completely
inaccessible.
The
virgin
oak
park
is
really
the
only
accessible
wetland
downtown
left.
It
is
really
accessible
almost
now,
with
the
kick
and
push
trail
running
right
beside
it.
Yet
even
this
very
close
approach
doesn't
give
any
access
or
even
view
of
it
whatsoever,
as
close
by
as
it
is
as
if
it
were
a
shame
to
look
out
on
such
a
poisoned
body
of
water.
W
W
Next
slide,
please,
as
long
as
you
see
only
a
liability,
anything
else
appears
to
be
an
improvement.
It's
always
the
most
beautiful
that
is
filled
in
and
overlooked.
Kingston's
waterfront
is
why
people
want
to
be
here.
It
is
a
public
good
belonging
thanks
belonging
to
everybody,
and
everybody
benefits
the
more
it
is
accessible.
A
X
A
B
A
Y
A
X
All
right,
so
I
I
live
in
the
west
end,
currently
on
the
edge
of
a
forest.
I
was
actually
walking
in
the
forest
up
until
a
few
minutes
ago,
but
I
did
live
in
downtown
kingston
in
the
fruit
belt,
what's
colloquially
known
as
the
fruit
belt
and
on
division
street
for
roughly
30
years.
So
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
area
in
question
and
I
would
consider
it
my
old
stomping
ground.
X
There's
a
couple
of
points
I
wanted
to
raise
one
being
and
I
I
would
be
willing
to
stand
corrected,
but
I
thought
I
read
in
the
media
that
the
developers
were
getting
97
million.
I
believe
in
tax
breaks
over
time
for
this
development,
and
so
the
first
question
that
follows
from
that.
Is
you
know
what
else
could
the
city
do
with
97
million
dollars?
X
Oh
you,
we
can
cut
down
the
trees
because
then
we'll
move
it
to
somewhere
else,
but
then
we're
just
moving
the
heavy
metals
from
one
area
to
another
area
and
I'm
not
convinced
that
that
is
sound
practice
to
just
move
our
so-called
garbage
from
one
place
to
another
place,
and
I
know
enough
about
lead
provincial
standards
that
if
you
dilute
it,
then
you
don't
fit
the
levels
and
then
you
just
basically
skirt
the
rules.
That
way.
X
So
I
would
like
to
you
know,
maybe
ensure
that
council
made
sure
that
whatever
we
did
with
this
area
was
actually
sound,
not
just
for
the
city
of
kingston
or
the
site
that
it's
on,
but
for
any
future
sites.
The
heavy
metals
would
go,
and
then
the
third
point
that
I
wanted
to
make
because
I
did
make
a
presentation.
X
But
because
I
go
on
forest
walks,
I
see
them
every
summer
and
the
drought
periods,
and
if
the
city
of
kingston
has
mature
trees,
I
think
the
city
of
kingston
has
an
obligation
to
preserve
mature
trees,
because
you
cannot
replace
a
200
year
old
tree
in
10
minutes,
so
cut
them
down
from
one
place
but
plant
new
trees
somewhere
else
it
it's.
Just
not
that
simple
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
possibility
and
if
there's
a
a
legacy
tree
function
in
the
bylaw.
X
X
For
any
of
you,
who've
had
the
the
pleasure
of
walking
summit
circle
in
the
city
of
montreal.
They
just
let
all
the
fallen
trees
lay
where
they
are
and
they're
all
contributing
to
the
regeneration
of
the
land,
because
the
ecosystem
isn't
just
what's
above
the
ground.
It's
what's
on
the
ground,
and
it's
what's
beneath
the
ground
and
and
older
trees
that
may
not
look.
Pristine
are
still
serving
habitat
functions
and
they're
still
contributing
to
an
ecosystem
of
a
region.
So
I
think,
that's
critically
important
and
we
need
to
not
define
good
trees
as
30.
X
A
R
Hi
everybody,
my
name
is
josh
cowan.
I
live
at
83,
patrick
street.
I
actually
am
going
to
take
a
slightly
different
tact.
If
that's
okay,
I
wanted
to
say
to
the
city,
council
and
staff
that
I
wanted
to.
I
wish
to
really
thank
you
for
your
service,
your
attention
and
mostly
for
taking
on
the
awesome
responsibilities
of
your
office.
I
can't
imagine
how
hard
it
must
be
to
make
planning
decisions,
knowing
what
we
know
about
the
climate
and
biodiversity
crises.
R
I'm
sure
each
of
you
have
read
the
ipcc
reports
on
climate
change
that
we
will
be
facing
greater
and
greater
floods,
droughts
and
heck,
even
tornadoes
that
each
of
you
know
that
we're
facing
one
of
the
largest
biodiversity
die-offs
since
the
dinosaurs
looked
up
to
see
a
meteor
coming
down.
I
know
you
must
be
looking
at
each
project
to
see
whether
it
moves
us
towards
net
zero
and
how
can
you,
as
a
leader
in
this
beautiful
city,
make
sure
that
biodiversity
is
increased
while
still
supporting
the
growing
needs
for
affordable
housing?
R
R
Looking
at
how
this
project
will
affect
the
health
of
the
inner
harbor
and
how
the
project
will
handle
dramatic
increases
in
precipitation
events
and
I'm
sure
you're,
taking
into
account
the
loss
of
the
1800
trees.
And
you
know,
planting
saplings
doesn't
offset
that
these
are
complicated
times.
So
I
guess
I
I
had
three
or
four
questions.
R
One
is
with
this
project
and
all
the
related
infrastructure
changes
and
other
changes,
increase
net
greenhouse
gases
or
lower
them,
and
by
how
much
will
this
project
increase
net
biodiversity
or
lower
it
by
how
much
and
I
couldn't
find
a
remediation
plan
and
if
it
doesn't
exist
or
hasn't
been
published?
How
can
the
planet
committee
know
whether
the
project
should
be
approved?
R
C
This
is
great,
I
didn't
think
I
was
really
on.
I
was
just
interested
in
hearing
what
everybody
was
saying
so
anyway,
I'm
I'm
a
a
tree,
a
tree
granny.
I
I've
taken
a
liking
and
a
loving
to
that
grandmother
oak
and
which
has
me
focus
on
the
tree
there
at
the
water.
I
have
two
beautiful
big
red
maples
in
my
front
yard,
and
I
call
them
the
twins
one.
C
She
would
like
a
a
tree
plan
that
had
sustained
his
ability
in
its
future
rather
than
clear
cutting
and
that
if
she
was
permitted
to
continue
to
live
that,
she
would
do
what
she
needed
to
do
and
continue
to
do.
What
she's
done
all
along
would
just
assist
the
initial
creation
of
the
planet
itself
or
we
call
mother
earth
in
my
in
my
world
that
the
remediation
of
the
land
is
already
underway.
C
It's
already
happening
I've
over
the
years
realized
and
and
and
heard
from
you
from
your
parts
at
the
city
hall
and
from
people
that
I
know
on
city
council
that
the
remediation
that's
happening
in
the
earth
is
that
the
evidence
is
there.
So
it's
not
that
kind
of
contaminated
evidence
that
looks
at
there's.
C
No
there's
no
turtles
swimming
there,
there's
no
birds
flying
there's,
no
cactuses
growing
flower
is
growing
and
people
are
walking
by,
and
I
wouldn't
say
that
anything
other
than
some
kind
of
peace
of
mind
settles
because
that's
what
her
role
is.
She
is
a
grandmother
and
she
looks
out
with
love
that
is
on
us
all.
So
when
I
bring
that
forward,
that's
my
my
focus
on
today
is
that
I
would
put
in
from
263
glengarry
road,
which
is
where
I
live.
C
So
that's
my
extension
for
my
thoughts
today
and
I
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
that
you're
providing
for
perfectly
normal
people
to
give
their
input
as
to
how
they
feel
and
think-
and
I
would
like
to
say
not
necessarily
just
clearly
feel
and
think
there's
emotions
involved,
there's
spirituality,
involved
and
there's
intentional
thought
involved.
So
that's
me
today
and
I'm
appreciative
of
what
you
do
and
it's
so
lovely
to
hear
that
that
I'm
following
josh
cowan,
who
thinks
that
you
guys
are
pretty
cool,
and
I
do
too
excuse
me.
C
A
Z
Good
evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
maben
armstrong
and
I'm
at
5115
front
road.
I
just
want
to
reference,
of
course,
I'm
going
to
reference.
The
turtles
we
participate
am
I
on.
Can
you
hear
me
you're
you're
on
me
you're
on
sorry?
Okay,
because
there
was
a
distraction
there.
I
participated
in
the
meeting
with
the
ministry
of
transport
and
parts
canada
this
week
in
reference
to
the
cleanup
of
the
harbor,
and
there
was
important
information
pointed
out.
Z
Z
All
of
this
seems
way
too
premium
when
it
was
first
tabled
and
we've
been
following
this
very
very
closely
because
of
the
impact
it
has
on
the
shoreline
and
the
turtle
populations
and
turtle
populations,
as
I
expressed
to
parks,
canada
and
ministry
of
transport
are
unique,
they're,
not
like
other
species.
You
don't
just
pick
them
up
and
move
them
for
the
amount
of
time
that
it
takes
to
attend
to
the
wetlands.
Z
So
pretty
much
they're
going
to
be
annihilated.
There's
no
other
approach
to
doing
this
other
than
doing
extremely
small
areas
of
decontamination
and
moving
the
turtles
just
like
a
matter
of
feet
into
the
area
next
to
them,
cleaning
up
an
area
using
two
british
curtains,
etc.
Then
putting
them
back
and
there's
been
no
reference
by
the
this
development
initiative,
and
it's
been
asked
clearly
twice
before
with
tarabara
who's.
Z
The
new
director
for
turtles
kingston-
and
I
know
simon
cowell-
excuse
me,
simon
simon,
is
going
to
be
referencing
this
question
later
on
himself,
exactly
in
a
graphic
way.
How
is
this
going
to
be
done?
The
thing
that
I
find
most
offensive
about
this
is
that
it
really
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
contamination
of
the
wetland
it
has
to
do
with
filling
it
in
and
building
on
top
of
it.
So
that's
the
incentive.
Z
All
of
this
has
to
be
looked
at
from
the
perspective
that
the
entire
initiative
is
in
a
conflict
of
interest,
not
one
person
presenting
representing
the
environment,
the
turtles
the
trees
are
in
a
conflict
conflict
of
interest.
These
are
just
people
that
are
genuinely
concerned
with,
what's
going
on
on
this
planet
and
from
a
global
perspective
of
climate
change,
so
there
is
no
conflict
of
interest,
there's
a
direct
conflict
of
interest
with
the
developer.
Z
So
all
the
information
that
is
presented
is
coming
skewed
from
the
desire
of
what
they
want
to
see
happen
so
right
away.
That
is
a
massive
question,
even
in
all
the
correspondence
which
I've
been
following
for
years
from
the
ministry
of
transport
ministry
of
of
parks
and
also
the
crca,
the
crca
in
reference,
for
example,
to
the
wetland
I
mean
it
is,
it
has
protections,
it
is
a
provincially
significant
wetland.
Z
So
if
you
look
at
the
time
that
the
cleanup
started
to
happen
when
all
the
pollutants
stopped
going
into
the
river
and
the
wetlands
that
12
years
represents
a
significant
percentage
of
time
in
reference
to
that
data
which
could
seriously
influence
the
mitigation
efforts
that
are
to
be
made
if
by
chance,
this
decision
ever
goes
through.
So
that
has
to
be
considered
the
boathouse
I
mean
the
crca
has
indicated.
That
is,
it
is
not.
It
is
in
conflict.
Z
They
actually
cite
the
regulation.
The
crc
is
ontario
regulation,
number
148
705.,
so
there's
so
many
holes
in
this.
That
council
cannot
make
a
decision
based
on
the
data
that
has
been
made
available
to
date.
There
is
no
way
that
that
can
happen
also
from
a
hydrological
perspective
for
floodplains,
with
climate
change.
There's
just
way
too
many
there's
more
holes
in
this.
There
isn't
a
sieve.
A
A
So
what
we're
seeing
is
what
the
applicant
has
proposed,
but
there's
no
decision
point
before
committee
tonight
we're
here
to
listen
to
public
feedback,
hear
the
applicant's
responses,
and
we
know
that
down
the
road
staff
will
be
putting
this
through
a
technical
review
before
we
get
a
comprehensive
report,
which
is
at
the
point
where
a
committee
would
make
a
decision
and
recommend
or
not
recommend
a
council.
So
just
a
reminder
for
everyone.
Listening
no
decision
tonight
we're
here
to
gather
information
and
with
that
there's
one
more
individual
from
the
public.
Madam
clerk.
AA
Before
I
say
any
words
I
just
want
to,
because
I
am
not
a
first
language
speaker,
because
we've
been
removed
from
the
land
because
our
languages
have
been
removed
from
us.
I
I
have
to
practice
speaking
my
language
and
before
we
do
any
business,
we
always
say
a
few
words.
So
I
hope
that
you
just
you
you
indulge
me
in
this
and-
and
I
appreciate
it.
AA
As
far
as
our
minds
can
conceive
everything
we
do
right
here
and
now.
That's
how
I
understand
things:
is
it
going
to
be
okay
for
the
future?
That's
how
I
understand
to
live
my
life.
I've
had
to
come
to
know
these
things
in
a
really
difficult
way,
because
I
was
not
raised
understanding
the
the
deeper
aspects
of
who
we
are
isn't
islamic.
AA
And
I
and
I'm
just
new-
and
I
don't
know
much
about
this
whole
process,
but
what
I
do
know
is
I've
heard
contaminated
land
and
earth
and
that
doesn't
sit
well
with
me.
If
something
happened
to
one
of
my
children,
I
don't
have
children,
one
of
my
nieces
and
nephews,
but
one
of
the
children
in
my
life.
I
would
want
to
clean
that
up.
First,
I
would
want
to
look
after
them
first,
without
the
pressure
of
saying,
what's
going
to
happen
in
20
years,
I
want
to
clean
that
up.
AA
First,
I
want
to
take
care
of
the
issue.
First,
that's
I'm
just
again.
I
appreciate
all
the
difficulty
and
hard
work,
and
so
many
people
talked
about
these
things
tonight
and
and
there's
way
more
people
that
are
more
knowledgeable
than
I
am
here.
But
and
I
really
appreciate
learning-
I
really
do
I'm
new
to
kingston.
I
I'm
on
fergus
street,
which
is
a
whole
other
thing,
as
a
woman
and
as
a
as
an
indigenous
person.
AA
That's
a
whole
other
thing
and
I'm
not
gonna,
but
that's
a
whole
other
thing,
but
I
don't
know
who's
speaking
I
I
can
speak
for
the
water,
because
I'm
a
woman
and-
and
it
hurts
me
that
the
water
is
not
okay
and
that
our
oldest
ancestors,
the
ones
that
still
roam
the
turtles,
are
going
to
be
relieved
of
their
land
without
looking
after
them,
first
without
cleaning
up
the
land.
First
that
we
messed
up
because
we
messed
it
up,
and
I
understand
all
of
the
difficulties
of
all
of
this
housing.
AA
And
I
understand
all
of
the
other
different
points,
I'm
I'm
going
to
look
into
it
and
I'm
going
to
learn
a
little
bit
more,
but
I
just
felt
like
I
had
to
come
in
here.
This
is
the
land
of
my
ancestors,
the
anishinaabeg
they
were
here
and
so
I
felt
like
I
had
to
come
in
and
say
that
we
have
gifts
that
were
given
to
us,
the
fire,
the
water,
the
earth
and
the
wind.
We
have.
A
A
Q
Q
That
could
be
done
after
the
development
of
the
site
that
it
could
be
a
continuing
process
and
I
think,
to
some
extent
that
that
likely
will
be
going
on
with
the
the
trees
and
the
shrubs
and
the
other
plants
that
are
going
to
be
planted
as
part
of
this
development.
But
it's
not
going.
There's
no
plan
at
this
point
for
any
kind
of
active
fighter
remediation
project
there.
I
don't
think
it
will
be
strictly
necessary
in
the
sense
that
the
contamination
is
going
to
be
addressed
in
other
ways.
Q
Then
there
was
a
comment
from
sandra
jass
about
the
issue
of
moving
contamination
from
one
place
to
another,
and
I
think
that
is
is
true
that
there
there
is
a
there
is
an
issue
with
that,
in
the
sense
that
quite
often
that's
how
these
projects
are
done,
the
contamination
is
removed,
it's
all
the
way
to
a
landfill
site
and
it's
essentially
just
placed
in
another
and
another
spot.
And
you
know
there
is
a
legitimate
concern
there
in
in
in
one
sense,
but
essentially
really.
Q
The
contamination
is
sitting
near
the
ground
surface.
In
many
cases,
the
the
high
concentrations
are
close
to
the
surface
and
it's
posing
risk
to
people
who
are
walking
across
the
site.
It's
posing
a
risk
to
people
who
are
living
on
the
site
in
intent,
in
tents
and
so
on,
who
are
who
are
lighting,
fires
and
cooking
food
on
the
site
which,
which
is
actively
happening
there.
Q
This
this
contamination
is
posing
a
risk
to
the
health
of
those
people
which
concerns
me
and
then
also
posing
risk
to
burrowing
mammals,
birds
plants
and
so
on.
So
it's
much
better
taken
somewhere
else.
Now,
josh
cowan
had
mentioned
that
he
was
looking
for
a
remediation
plan.
There
have
been
some
prelim.
I
would
characterize
them
as
preliminary
remediation
plans
that
have
been
prepared,
for
example,
for
the
wetland
in
the
north.
Q
There's
a
document
on
that
there's
also
kind
of
an
overall
remediation
plan
that
kind
of
lays
out
the
way
in
which
remediation
is
intended
to
happen
in
the
different
sectors
of
the
site,
whether
it's
risk
assessment,
whether
it's
going
to
be
removal
of
the
soil
and
so
on.
So
there
is
a
plan
like
that,
but
I
want
to
make
the
point
that
the
remediation
plan
is
an
evolving
thing.
Q
It's
going
to
be
refined
through
a
continuing
process
of
evaluating
the
risks
and
we're
not
finished
with
the
risk
assessment
work
that
we're
doing
that's
a
long
process
and
in
doing
that
work
we
will
be
continuing
to
refine
the
remediation
plan.
The
remediation
plan
is
going
to
have
input
by
regulatory
authorities
such
as
the
ministry
of
the
environment,
the
conservation
authority
and
the
city,
so
there's
going
to
be
a
process
of
review
and
consultation,
and
so,
as
time
goes
on,
there
will
be
more
information
about
exactly
how
the
remediation
is
going
to
happen.
Q
Now,
ms
armstrong
had
brought
up
that
that
there
are
10
or
12
years
of
data
missing.
I
wasn't
quite
sure
what
she
was
referring
to
there,
but
I
do
want
to
make
the
point
that
we
we
have
written
a
phase,
two
environmental
site
assessment
report
and
in
that
report
we've
included
data
going
all
the
way
back
to
1977
on
the
soil
quality
at
the
site.
We've
got
soil
quality
we've
got
groundwater.
We've
got
sediment
information
going
back
a
long
time
so
from
1977.
Q
Q
And
then
there
was
one
other
thing
I
wanted
to
address,
which
was
the
the
concern
about
filling
in
the
wetland
and
building
on
top
of
it.
I
wanted
to
make
the
point
that,
over
the
majority
of
that
wetland
that
we're
looking
at
encapsulating
that
there
will
not
be
any
building
on
top
of
it,
it's
primarily
going
to
be
an
open
space
with
vegetation
planted.
Q
R
P
Thanks
kevin-
and
I
just
wanted
to
just
add
to
what
kevin
said
so,
the
the
environmental
remediation
process
is
a
separate
provincially
regulated
process.
So
it's
not
something
that's
for
the
members
of
the
public.
It's
not
something!
That's
evaluated
through
a
planning
act,
approval
so
for
a
zoning,
violent
application.
The
municipality
isn't
charged
with
having
to
assess
that
environmental
process.
The
administrative
environment
does
that
with
their
own
experts,
and
so
that
will
go
through
an
entirely
separate
process
review
in
approval
with
a
significant
amount
of
time
and
and
scrutiny
for
that
as
well.
P
S
S
P
U
P
S
N
P
May
happen
in
the
neighborhood
in
terms
of
other
development
that
may
happen
or
other
commercial
operations
that
may
be
provided.
There's
also
proposed
to
be
a
grocery
store,
which
the
north
kingstown
area
has
areas
of
identified.
Food
deserts
where
there
are
limited
or
reduced
access
to
grocery
stores,
and
so
this
development
would
provide
an
opportunity
with
a
supporting
population
in
the
development
to
to
provide
for
a
grocery
store
in
the
area.
P
And
there's
a
comment
about
removal,
the
trees
and
advocating
for
sites
to
use
for
access
by
the
public
for
views
of
the
waterfront
in
the
wetland
and
just
take
the
opportunity
here
to
identify
that
currently,
it's
a
private
site
which
isn't
really
accessible
to
the
public.
It's
contaminated
with
concerns
related
to
human
health,
and
so
this
project
would
enable
the
site
to
become
a
significant
proportion
to
become
public,
as
well
as
create
opportunities
for
the
extension
of
the
waterfront
trail.
E
P
P
O
There
is
a
topic
I
do
want
to
touch
on
about
the
long-term
tree
management
with
the
city
city
staff
did
bring
forward
a
report
in
february
of
this
year
that
outlined
intensification,
climate
change
and
tree
retention
strategies
across
the
city
and
what
that
does,
and
what
it
outlined
was
that
there
are
numerous
departments
involved
in
the
management
of
our
urban
forest,
the
planning
process
being
one
of
those.
So
through
the
planning
process,
we
examine
tree
removal,
retention
and
replacement
and
in
accordance
with
the
tree
bylaw
that
also
sometimes
involves
remuneration.
O
So
that
is
always
a
consideration
when
we
are
thinking
about
how
the
city
is
managing
our
urban
forest
resource
through
the
development
approvals
process,
and
what
that
report
was
able
to
demonstrate
was
that
we
are
seeing
a
net
increase
through
development
approvals
and
the
number
of
trees
planted,
and
albeit
sometimes
a
new
tree
planted,
doesn't
equate
the
same
value
as
an
older
tree
removed.
But
there
are
compensation
values
associated
with
that.
Sometimes
trees
are
not
replaced
at
a
one-to-one
ratio
when
they're
evaluated
oftentimes
a
larger
tree
being
removed,
might
compensate
for
several
smaller
trees.
O
AB
Thank
you
and
thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
in
regards
to
the
question
about
the
city
forestry
management
plan
in
2011,
the
urban
forestry
management
plan
was
developed
and
over
the
course
of
the
past
11
years,
we've
worked
on
to
implement
a
number
of
the
items
in
that
plan.
In
2021
we
presented
to
council
that
we
would
develop
a
forestry
operating
plan
that
would
replace
the
urban
forestry
management
plan.
AB
This
plan
will
be
presented
to
the
eitp
in
june
of
this
year,
and
the
new
operating
plan
will
continue
to
build
on
the
main
elements
of
the
urban
forestry
management
plan,
as
well
as
the
city's
strategic
plan
and
the
goals
that
have
been
set
forward
in
terms
of
urban
forest
schools,
and
then
all
the
departments
in
the
city
are
working
together
to
to
deal
with
any
of
the
forestry
issues
that
come
up.
Thank
you.
A
B
Mr
chair,
we
do
have
one
hand
up
currently
at
this
time
if
we
could
do
a
final
call
for
those
who
are
present
this
evening,
who
have
not
had
a
chance
to
speak
either
this
evening
or
at
the
previous
meeting
last
week.
If
you
could,
please
raise
your
hand
and
zoom
so
that
we
may
identify
who
wishes
to
speak
at
this
time.
A
Absolutely
and
I'll
just
I'll
double
down
on
that,
so
we'll
look
for
anyone
to
raise
their
hand
now
if
it's
raised
after
now,
that
will
be
a
missed
opportunity,
but
if
you're
even
have
an
inkling
to
do
so,
please
put
up
your
hand,
so
we
have
a
sense
of
how
many
people
want
to
do
that.
But
this
is
the
final
call,
as
the
clerk
said
for
public
participation
at
this
point.
B
AC
AC
That
will
help
to
assess
canopy
in
and
around
the
city
to
ensure
equity
and
sustainability,
as
we
try
to
build
resilience
and
move
into
as
we
move
further
into
the
effects
and
the
lag
of
climate
change,
and
so
I
am
speaking
this
evening
to
to
ultimately
put
to
you.
How
do
how
can
our
city
leaders,
who
we
ultimately
vote
in
to
lead,
expect
our
youth
to
take
up
such
activities
or
find
hope
to
help
remediate
such
drastic
measures
as
cutting
down
trees
at
this
time?
AC
How
do
we
ask
them
to
help
plan
for
planting
new
trees
if
the
city
is
cutting
them
down
as
we're
tasking
them?
With
these
assignments
this
to
me,
this
does
not
imbue
hope
into
our
young
people
and
the
fact
that
the
city
has
partnered
with
queens
to
bring
forward
its
scholars
and
academics
in
order
to
bring
about
real
change
through
our
research.
AC
AD
I
was
at
several
of
the
meetings,
and
so
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
bring
up
again
is
the
capping
and
all
of
that
stuff,
because
we
talked
about
that
at
the
meeting
at
the
second
meeting.
I
believe-
and
they
were
talking
about
the
capping
of
the
blocks
where
we
talked
about
the
turtles
and
the
baby
turtles
would
not
be
able
to
get
up
to
lay
their
eggs
as
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about
the
ribbon
of
life.
AD
AD
I
know
turtles
kingston,
I
did
the
walks
with
for
mary
ferreira
when
she
was
doing
some
research
down
there
when
I
first
moved
to
kingston
and
at
the
last
meeting
we
talked
about
four
turtles
in
the
area.
I
was
with
this
guy
ken
and
who
marie
had
hired
and
we
found
a
stink
pot,
so
a
fifth
turtle,
and
apparently
that
was
the
the
first
one
that
he
had
seen
in
about
five
years
in
the
area.
AD
So
we
really
have
to
consider
everything
that's
taking
place
to
protect
the
habitat
of
the
animals
and,
indirectly
it's
to
protect
us
as
humans,
we're
all
one
we're
all
connected
and
as
people
we
should
be
the
ambassadors
of
the
planet,
not
the
destruction
of
it.
I
know
we
need
housing
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
I've
been
on
many
of
the
planning
committees
for
building
a
higher
denser
kingston,
but
this
site
is
not
the
place
to
do
that.
AD
So
I
think
that's
all
I
have
to
say
for
now,
so
I'm
just
I'll
be
good
and
thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
you
guys
do.
I
know
it's
really
hard
and
tough
to
try
to
build
a
city
that
everybody's
happy
with,
but
I
think
we
can
find
better
locations
to
build
higher
density,
walkability
sustainability
for
seniors
and
low-income
housing
with
better
planning,
just
not
in
that
location.
Q
Now,
according
to
the
latest
design,
there
was
a
concern
about
riprap,
potentially
trapping
the
baby
turtles,
so
we're
now
looking
at
an
alternative
to
that.
So
I
wanted
to
mention
that.
Then
there
was
also
a
point
about
the
capping
in
the
wetlands
and
that
that
would
be
harmful
to
the
turtles
and
in
sort
of
in
consultation
with
with
rob
snetsinger
our
ecological
consultant.
Q
P
Thanks,
maybe
just
along
those
lines
just
for
clarification,
particularly
maybe
for
those
who
didn't
hear
the
presentation
last
week,
so
the
70
of
the
shoreline
area
of
this
site
is
owned
by
transfer
canada
and
it's
not
proposed
to
be
disturbed
as
part
of
this
development,
including
the
shoreline
itself
as
well.
As
you
know,
depths
of
10
to
30
meters,
inland,
and
so
how
that
shoreline
area
is
dealt
with
is
not
to
be
part
of
this
application.
P
Similarly,
where
there
is
waterfront
on
this
portion
of
the
property,
the
remediation
plan,
doesn't
it
doesn't
include
remediating,
you
know,
bed
of
the
lake
in
that
area.
It
goes
to
the
water's
edge
and
and
dealt
with
there
through
the
provincial
provincial
standards
required
for
a
remediation
process.
Up
to
that
point,
so
just
to
clarify
that
there
is
a
you
know
there
are.
There
are
significant
waterfront
lands
that
are
not
to
be
dealt
with
through
this
part
of
the
process
as
well,
and
I
think
that
was
it
for
our.
A
O
A
A
Looks
like
we're
all
here:
councilor
hill
I'll,
acknowledge
you
first
in
the
question
period,
but
before
I
do
as
chair,
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
get
stacked
to
comment
on
process.
I
think
that
it's
very
clear
we
have
a
very
engaged
public
on
on
this
file
and
many
planning
files,
which
is
excellent,
but
I
just
thought
we
should
be
reminded
of
what
comes
next
like
how?
Y
Y
N
Y
That
report
is
called
a
comprehensive
report
and
within
that
report,
that
is
when
staff
would
be
excuse
me,
making
their
recommendations
on
the
proposal
for
planning
committees
consideration
all
of
those
reviews
within
planning
in
within
the
planning
services.
We
are
professional
planners.
The
majority
of
us
have
our
professional
planning
designations.
Y
The
comments
being
reviewed
in
terms
of
transportation
are
being
done
by
professional
engineers
that
are
retained
by
are
in
employment.
With
the
city
same
in.
Excuse
me
in
the
public
works
looking
at
the
and
nothing
to
do
with
the
infrastructure
that
is
part
of
this
development.
The
specialists
at
crca
also
have
the
training
necessary
training
and
background
to
speak
to
the
ecological
biological
issues
that
have
come
up
in
that
area.
Y
Within
the
city's
real
estate
and
property
section
staff,
we
have
to
pray
the
qualifications
to
look
at
this
and
we'll
be
basing
our
recommendations
on
that
against
the
official
plan,
studies
that
have
been
submitted
by
the
applicant
in
support
of
the
proposal
and
would
be
making
our
recommendation
on
that
assessment
of
those
documents.
So
in
a
nutshell,
that's
it
I
kind
of
stammered
around
there,
but
it
is
reviewed
very
carefully
and
very
thoroughly
by
qualified
staff.
A
All
right
thanks!
That's
that's
good
context.
So
counselor
hill
already
had
his
hand
up
thanks
mr
park
committee.
Just
a
reminder
we'll
do
five
minutes
each
for
questions.
At
this
point
we
won't
include
staff's
responses,
part
of
your
time,
so
you
can't
have
that
back
and
forth
and
we'll
do
as
many
rounds
as
you're
interested
in
for
tonight.
So
councilor
hill
you're
up
first.
D
D
You
know,
we've
had
four
nights
now
of
public
presentations
and
and
questions,
and
you
know
it's
been
pretty
thoroughly
gone
over
and
but
it
has
sort
of
left
me
with
a
couple
of
kind
of
concerns.
I
guess
more
than
anything
and
it's
it's
around
the
science
and
and
sort
of
where
do
we
go
from
here
in
terms
of
the
science,
so
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
I
think
that
we
know-
or
I
I
thought
that
we've
heard
over
over
time.
D
One
of
them
is,
you
know
when
we're
looking
at
this
kind
of
of
a
development
you
know
versus
versus
this
sequestration
that
we
get
from
these
trees.
You
know
it
doesn't
seem
to
really
line
up.
They
they
they
the
the
climate
advantages,
I
guess
to
the
climate
of
of
intensive
development,
seem
to
far
away
the
the
the
loss
of
this.
D
Even
this
number
of
trees
and-
and-
and
I
know
that's
very
discouraging
to
folks-
but
I
don't
think-
we've
ever
made
the
commitment
as
a
council
to
say
that
we're
going
to
save
every
tree,
but
rather
that
we're
going
to
try
to
double
the
canopy
over
time
that
we're
going
to
try
to
ensure
that
we
see
you
know
intensive
development
that
we
try
to
ensure
that
the
urban
boundary
doesn't
expand.
Those
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
I
think
that
we
were
focused
on
in
terms
of
our
climate
emergency.
D
AE
Yeah,
so
through
you,
mr
chair,
thank
you
for
the
question.
There
has
not
been
a
comprehensive
ghg
inventory
done
for
this
specific
project
and
it's
not
something
we
do
on
a
site-specific
basis
for
development
applications.
Not
yet.
At
least
we
understand
that
a
climate
lens
tool
is
coming
for
that
purpose
and
that's
the
climate
leadership
division
that
will
be
putting
that
out.
AE
AE
Some
of
them
have
been
spoken
about
this
evening
in
terms
of
how
you
heat
and
cool
buildings,
some
of
them
being
more
carbon
intensive
than
others.
If
you
use,
you
know:
oil,
natural
gas
versus
electricity,
for
instance,
so
there's
all
kinds
of
opportunities
to
reduce
the
carbon
emissions
of
a
development,
but
the
bottom
line
is:
is
the
development
is
always
going
to
be
more
carbon
intensive
than
a
forest?
AE
That's
absolutely
for
sure,
but
the
challenge
I
think
personally,
within
within
the
the
climate
emergency
climate
is
to
is
to
accommodate
the
development
pressure
in
a
way
that
reduces
the
the
carbon
footprint
to
its
to
the
maximum
that
we
can.
So
that's
not
a
great
answer,
but
that's
where
we're
at.
H
I'm
sorry,
mr
chair,
I
just
want
to
ask
like
what
type
of
public
meeting
is.
This
is
this
some
special
one
where
we're
making
up
the
rules,
because
I've
been
on
planning
committee
for
15
out
of
16
years
and
at
a
public
meeting
as
much
as
we
really
want
to
give
our
own
opinion,
and
we
really
want
to
ask
staff
directly
back
and
forth
questions.
H
H
A
Sure
counselor
saying
it's
a
fair
question.
I
would
say
from
the
few
months
that
I've
been
sharing
often
from
time
to
time
we
would
go
to
staff
generally.
As
a
rule,
though
you're
right,
we
want
to
go
to
the
applicant
first,
but
I
do
think
just
like
we
did
with
members
of
the
public.
It's
appropriate
from
time
to
time
to
have
staff
provide
their
input.
D
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
actually
my
I
I've.
I've
heard
that
the
applicants
respond
to
pretty
much
all
the
questions.
I
think
that
would
have
come
out,
so
most
of
my
questions
would
have
been
for
clarification
around
their
responses
from
staff.
So
that's
okay.
I'm
happy
to
save
that
to
the
to
the
comprehensive
report.
So
thank
you.
A
H
P
Yeah
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
it
was
a
tree
report
prepared
in
accordance
with
the
city's
tree
by
law,
and
so
it
considered
trees
that
were
the
minimum
size,
which
is
that
fifteenth
century
damn
requested
or
larger.
So
there
are
excuse
me
smaller
trees
on
the
site
as
well.
That
wouldn't
have
been
included
in
that
report.
H
Great
thank
you
and
in
the
tree
inventory
on
dash,
I
saw
a
question
that
had
been
submitted
in
the
public
information
that
I
haven't
heard
the
answer
to,
and
it
was
that,
when
you
add
up
the
trees
and
the
tree
inventory
on
dash,
it's
only
350
trees
listed.
It's
like,
I
think,
30
10
trees
on
35
pages,
or
it
might
be
the
other
way
around.
I
counted
them
all
35
trees
for
10
pages.
H
P
Three
michelle
I'm
just
opening
up
the
tree
report
at
the
moment.
So
the
way
the
tree
inventory
was
done
in
this
case,
as
it
has
been
for
other
large
or
significantly
large
development
parcels
was
not
to
necessarily
go
out,
have
an
everest
code
and
take
every
single
tree
every
single,
mature
tree,
it's
done
as
a
sample
which
yeah
so
the
so
the
report,
if
you,
if
you
look
at
it,
you'll
see
estimated
totals
so
estimated
average
per
plot,
etc.
P
S
H
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you,
so
it
was
done
by
like
a
sample
was
picked,
a
specific
plot
and
that's
how
it
came
to
the
conclusion
of
so
many
manitoba
mapos
being
there,
but
that
would
just
be,
and
just
the
number
of
manitoba
mapos
of
the
350
that
were
actually
done
in
that
plot
and
and
that's
how
they
came
up
with
the
estimate
of
how
many
poor,
moderate
good
condition
trees.
Were
there
26
distinctive
trees
like
black
walnuts,
so,
okay.
P
Sorry,
just
to
if
I
may,
there's
a
clear
clarify,
I
guess
some
of
what
you
just
said.
So
it
wasn't
that
a
single
plot
was
sampled,
so
it
wasn't
that
a
single
small
area
of
the
site
was
sampled.
The
whole
of
the
site
was
walked
by
the
arborist
and
assessed
into
multiple
plots,
and
so
it
wasn't
that
there
was
a
single
plot
assessed,
and
you
know
it
happened
to
be
the
one
where
there
was
all
the
manitoba
maples
now.
N
P
They
did
assess
the
whole
site,
blocked
the
whole
site
and
broke
it
up
into
into
equivalently
sized
plots,
and
that
was
how
it
was
done.
So
within
each
of
the
plots,
not
every
single
tree
was
sampled,
but
the
whole
the
site
was
sampled
to
get
a
representative
understanding
of
the
mix
and
type
of
trees.
H
Okay,
thank
you
and
I
just
wondered
if
you
could
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
the
shoreline
right,
so
we
didn't
talk
too
much
other
than
like.
We
just
heard
right
now
that
you're
not
looking
at
riprap
you're,
looking
at
some
other
design
possibly,
but
are
we
still
like
from
the
last
meeting,
which
I
think
was
august
until
tonight?
Are
you
still
going
to
be
ripping
out
everything
along
the
shoreline
and
then
just
replanting
things
later?
Q
Yeah
yeah,
so
the
plan
for
the
shoreline
currently
and-
and
this
could
still
be
subject
to
more
refinement-
is
that,
yes,
we
would
be
removing.
What's
there
now
so
we'd
be
removing
the
the
existing
vegetation
we'd
be
sort
of
doing
a
little
bit
of
rough
grading
along
there,
and
then
we
would
be
placing
a
a
pea,
gravel
down
extending
down
the
bank
and
a
little
distance
into
the
into
the
water
sort
of
below
the
the
water's
edge.
Q
And
then
there
would
be
a
geotextile
membrane
put
down
there,
and
the
purpose
of
all
of
this
is
to
contain
the
contaminated
soil
below
a
a
a
sort
of
a
multi-layered
structure
to
prevent
it
from
migrating
into
the
river.
So
so
you
have
first
to
the
removal
of
the
vegetation.
Then
the
placement
of
the
pea
gravel,
then
the
geotextile
membrane,
then
more
pea
gravel
to
protect
that
geotextile
membrane,
to
prevent
it
from
being
damaged
and
to
hold
it
in
place
as
well.
Q
And
then,
on
top
of
that,
there
would
be
a
a
natural
type
of
of
a
fabric
consisting
of
maybe
a
woven,
jute
type
of
material
or
a
number
of
different
possible
types
of
natural
material.
And
then,
on
top
of
that
there
would
be
topsoil
and
then
on
and
then
on.
The
topsoil
would
be
planted
a
variety
of
native
plant
species
that
are
shallow
rooting
and
that
would
be
you
know,
subject
to
recommendations
from.
Q
What
kind
of
native
species
those
would
be,
but
it
would
be
a
very
looking
kind
of
varied
look
to
it
all
along
the
shoreline,
and
so
the
the
purpose
of
the
vegetation
would
be
that
the
roots
would
hold
that
top
soil
in
place
and
prevent
the
erosion
of
it.
But
if
there
was
any
erosive
damage,
there
would
be
layers
beneath
that.
That
would
protect
the
shoreline
from
from
the
erosion
getting
right
down
into
the
contamination.
H
Okay
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
with
that
textile,
big
construction
that
you're
just
talking
about
along
the
shoreline,
will
that
allow
for,
like
willow,
trees
to
be
planted
or
when
we're
saying
vegetation?
Are
we
just
talking
about
small
stuff?
Like
can
we
actually
plant
trees
like
willow,
trees
that
love
water,
but
they
would
have
big
roots,
so
can
can
trees
be
planted
in
there.
Q
But
we
would
have
opportunities
for
trees
a
little
bit
further
back,
so
it
would
be
within
the
ribbon
of
life,
but
it
would
be
a
little
bit
further
back
from
the
edge
of
the
water
and
and
in
those
areas.
Yes,
there
would
be
trees,
there
would
be
some
larger
trees
and
I
don't
know
about
willows.
It
could
potentially
be
willows.
That
would
be
up
to
some
recommendations
from
the
ecological
consultant,
consulting
group,
and
but
there
would
be
trees
for
sure
back
in
the
ribbon
of
life
and
in
those
areas.
Q
What
we
would
do
is
we
would
make
provisions
to
accommodate
the
root
ball
of
the
tree
to
try
to
avoid
having
that
root
ball
penetrate
into
the
contaminated
soil.
So
we'd
be
trying
to
keep
that
tree
from
being
affected
by
that
by
perhaps
in
some
areas,
raising
the
grade
a
little
bit
to
provide
that
additional
soil
that
the
tree
needs
and
then
also,
you
know,
to
some
degree
scooping
up
the
contamination
where
the
root
the
tree's
root
ball
is
going
to
be
to
allow
that
to
develop
into
clean
soil.
H
Q
P
It
helps
in
answering
the
question:
there's
we
had
submitted
prior
to
the
last
public
meeting,
a
conceptual
landscape
plan
package
with
a
written
component
that
describes
some
of
this
and
also
shows
some
of
these
details,
so
that
should
be
available.
You
know,
through
staff
at
least
if
or
on
dash
is
also
in
the
presentation.
So
I
I
could.
P
I
could
pull
or
have
the
clerk
follow
the
slide,
but
the
concept
plan
that
you
see
now
the
conceptualized
technology
now
was
created
in
consultation
with
the
conservation
authority
with
with
staff
in
terms
of
their
input
as
to
potential
expectations,
considered
comments
from
parks,
canada,
and
so
the
other
thing
to
keep
in
mind
as
well.
Is
that
the
city
through
you
know
if
the
project's
approved?
A
H
Okay,
thank
you.
Another
question
is
looking
at
the
hatch
report,
so
you
have
to
find
another
wetland
in
the
area
at
a
one-to-one
ratio,
and
I
just
wondered
if
you
could
speak
to
some
like
some
of
the
areas
that
you've
submitted
so
far,
that's
being
considered.
Are
they
are
they
close
to
the
tannery
lands?
Are
they
in
the
west
end
the
east
end?
Are
they
like
north
of
the
401?
P
P
It
created
that
hatch
report
that
you
saw
and
and
the
strategy
and
preferred
approach
and
priority
is
to
find
coastal
wetlands
first
and
foremost,
so
that
exercise
really
is
just
just
beginning,
but
it's
not
dissimilar
to
the
process
that
the
the
city
went
through
to
create
wetland
compensation
for
the
third
crossing,
for
example.
So
it's
that
same
we're
not
reinventing
the
wheel
in
terms
of
that
wetland,
compensation
portion
of
the
project.
H
P
So
we
noted
in
the
in
the
presentation,
there's
two
kind
of
two
avenues
to
which
affordable
housing
is
provided.
One
is
through
municipal
programs
and
currently
the
city
is
prioritizing,
I
guess
existing
partnerships
in
their
own
housing
programs
and
then
the
second
funding
partner
is
cmhc
and
they
are
also
have
a
prioritization
towards
projects
that
can
be
very
quickly
approved
and
constructed.
P
AF
AG
AG
We
have
a
project
in
ottawa
with
350
units
in
total
and
of
that
I
believe
about.
20
percent
of
the
units
are
20
below
the
average
rent
for
the
area,
so
the
big,
a
affordable.
According
to
cmhc,
we
have
partnered
with
the
city
for
the
emergency
shelter
facility
that
we
bought
this
winter
and
rented
the
city
in
about
two
weeks
when
the
need
came
up,
I
also
own
a
company
that
manages
about
4
000
units
of
affordable
housing
in
toronto,
so
we're
fairly
familiar
with
it.
AG
AF
AG
At
this
time,
the
affordability
would
come
from
the
size
of
the
units
if
we're
able
to
create
a
unit.
That's
smaller!
That's
where
the
affordability
becomes.
It's
it's
a
very
expensive
project.
There's
a
lot
of
cleanup
associated
with
it
as
you're,
seeing
with
most
things
in
the
paper
everything's
up
like
lumber's
up
400
over
last
year.
AG
Rebar
is
up
100
copper's
up
200,
so
we're
really
getting
squeezed
at
all
ends
for
things,
which
is
why
we
re
jig
the
models
to
allow
for
for
smaller
units
that,
when
you
design
them
right,
you
can
get
the
price
per
square
foot
that
you
require
in
your
performa,
but
still
have
an
attainable
price
for
somebody
to
live
into
the
unit.
So
you
know
maybe
fourteen
hundred
dollars,
maybe
thirteen
hundred
dollars
the
project
we
did
in
development
drive.
AG
Q
Yeah,
so
I
think
I
can
answer
that
one
as
with
any
construction
site,
there's
going
to
be
controls
in
place
erosion,
control
measures
in
place
during
construction
and
after
construction
to
ensure
that
we
don't
have
any
erosion
issues.
It's
not
it's
not
a
bad
site
in
the
sense
that
it's
relatively
flat,
so
you
don't
have
really
steep
grades
that
are
going
to
contribute
to
an
erosion
problem,
but
nevertheless
it
is
a
vulnerable
site
in
the
sense
that
you
have
wetland
on
the
north.
Q
Q
AF
Q
Yeah
I
addressed
that
a
little
bit
in
the
in
the
pre
pre
the
meeting
last
week,
but
just
to
kind
of
recap
that
the
the
storm
water
will
be
looked
at
closely
as
as
part
of
that
encapsulation
project.
In
the
wetland
we
are
looking
at
extending
the
existing
stormwater
outfall
pipe,
so
it
would
be
a
storm
water,
pipe
or
essentially
a
storm
sewer
pipe
running
from
where
occur.
Q
Currently
out
falls,
but
now
it
would
be
extended
through
the
cap
to
zone
and
then
I
would
fall
further
to
the
east
into
the
sort
of
newly
defined
boundary
of
the
provincially
significant
wetlands,
so
that
that
would
be.
That
would
be
essentially
preventing
that
storm
water
from
running
across
the
top
of
the
cap
and
creating
an
erosion
there.
L
Q
Q
But
there's,
of
course,
there
would
be
oversight
of
that
as
well
by
supervisory
staff
and
as
needed,
a
qualified
environmental
engineer
could
be
could
be
involved
from
time
to
time
to
make
sure
it's
being
done
properly
and
that
would
all
be
laid
out
in
the
risk
management
plan.
For
this
for
this
site
and
then
in
addition,
there
are
generally
periodic
inspections
by
the
ministry
of
the
environment,
conservation
and
parks.
AF
A
O
AE
AE
O
AE
O
AH
Thank
you
james
three,
mr
chair,
michael
dagin,
resource
planner,
with
cataract
conservation.
The
authority
does
have
a
role
in
ensuring
that
any
erosion
and
sedimentation
is
controlled
properly.
We
have
a
regulation
under
the
conservation
authorities
act
and
the
work
is
subject
to
that
regulation
and
there
be
inspections
and
requirements
at
both
construction
and
post-construction
steps.
AH
We
do
work
with
the
with
the
ministry
of
the
environment
to
coordinate
that
process,
we're
looking
primarily
at
impacts
to
water
quality
and
into
the
natural
environment,
and
we
would
look
to
make
recommendations
and
perhaps
an
agreement
through
the
city
for
outlining
the
stages
at
which
those
inspections
and
reporting
say
annual
reports
or
monthly
reports
are
provided,
as
is
their
typical
process,
but
obviously,
in
this
case,
given
the
scale
of
development,
it'd
have
to
be
quite
a
quite
a
comprehensive
maintenance
and
monitoring
agreement
and
approach.
Thank
you.
O
Thank
you,
mr
deakin,
and
then
just
in
addition
to
that
sorry
excuse
me.
Counselor
neil
for
construction
purposes
as
well.
Engineering
services
does
look
at
grading
and
sediment
and
erosion
plans
for
general
construction
and
purpose
practices.
This
work
is
undertaken
through
a
draft
plan
of
subdivision
conditions,
as
well
as
final
planet
subdivision
and
any
cycling
control
application.
That's
submitted
for
the
city
is
also
subject
to
these
general
reviews
to
make
sure
that
there
is
no
impact
from
construction
activities
on
adjacent
properties
or
adjacent
waterways
and
streams.
So
there
are
multiple
levels
of
review
around
this.
AF
Concern
I
appreciate
that-
and
I
take
as
part
of
that
answer,
that
some
of
these
unresolved
or
questions
will
be
answered
within
the
comprehensive
report
when
it
comes
forward
because
with
turtle,
habitat
and
other
things
they
seem
to
have.
A
sense
of
a
lot
of
the
answers
were
well
trust
us.
We
can
take
care
of
it
this
way,
but
we
can
expect
those
questions
to
be
more
thoroughly
answered
in
the
comprehensive
report.
O
Thank
you
and
through
you
chair,
we
are
at
an
official
plan
amendment
zoning
bylaw
amendment
and
draft
plan
subdivision
stage.
A
lot
of
the
comments
related
to
these
fine
details
will
come
at
a
later
stage
when
the
project
is
at
a
more
detailed
implementation
stage.
Right
now.
This
is
at
a
high
level
feasibility
official
plan,
zoning
bylaw
amendment
considerations.
O
A
lot
of
those
concerns
will
be
addressed
through
the
details
of
future
applications,
which
will
drill
down
to
that
level
to
look
at
those
key
specific
areas
which
are
important
to
implementing
projects
they're,
just
not
necessarily
applicable
up
front
right
now,
when
we're
just
considering
zoning
for
a
property,
but
there
are
appropriate
measures
and
controls
through
additional
planning
act.
Regulation
at
the
future
stage.
AF
AE
Thanks
for
the
question
through
you,
mr
chair,
that
is
always
the
question
that
is
raised
and
it's
always
a
question
that
is
considered
on
an
annual
basis
by
our
our
treasurer
when
we
brought
this
particular
application
to
council
in
20
2020.
I
think
that
that
question
was
answered
and
there
there
is
room
within
the
the
projection
of
brownfield
expenditures
and
tax
rebates
for
the
project.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Originally,
when
this
proposal
came
forward
to
the
planning
committee
a
number
of
years
ago,
there
was
no
proposal
to
build
on
or
near
the
wetland.
The
provincially
significant
wetland
in
the
north
east,
I
believe,
would
be
north
east
northwest
corner
rather,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
why
did
the
plan
change
and
and
and
the
sudden
interest
in
capping
part
of
the
wetland?
P
P
That
small
portion
has
been
part
of
the
proposal
and
it
wasn't
done
lightly
or
without
consideration,
but
I
think
the
biggest
part
that's
changed
is
that
there
is
in
response
to
comments
from
the
conservation
authority,
for
example,
the
desire
to
use
this
project
as
a
mechanism,
I
guess
to
address
the
contaminated
wetland
on
the
rest
of
the
site.
So
the
portion
of
the
wetlands
over
which
the
development
is
is
about
just
under
0.3
hectares
and
the
wetlands
size
and
the
rest
of
the
site
is
1.2
hectares.
P
And
so
you
know
that
we-
wouldn't
we
don't
have
to
you-
know
disturb
the
rest
of
the
wetlands.
For
sure
and
in
the
other
scenario,
where
the
contaminated
portion
of
the
wetland
could
be
avoided
and
put
density
elsewhere
as
you've
suggested,
and
we
have
looked
at
that
and
from
the
developer's
perspective,
to
stick
with
the
wood
frame
construction
method
and
to
try
to
get
the
minimum
density
needed
to
make
the
project
work.
P
It's
very
difficult
to
to
essentially
eliminate
phase
four
to
eliminate
a
quarter
of
the
project
and
still
have
a
viable
project,
and
so
it's
it
is
like.
I
said
an
unusual
and
exceptional
circumstance
with
filling
in
a
wetland
for
development,
and
it's
only,
I
think,
by
virtue
of
the
fact
that
it's
so
heavily
contaminated
and
part
of
this
unique
project
that
there's
any
level
of
support
or
ability
to
do
this,
this
type
of
exercise
or
take
this
type
of
action.
P
You
know
if
there's
concern
about
the
broader
wetland
in
terms
of
capping,
capping
it
on
the
site.
It
might
be
helpful,
maybe
for
for
mike
bacon,
to
weigh
in
because
we've
had
numerous
conversations
there.
In
terms
of
some
of
the
rationality
and
your
underlying
desire,
I
guess
to
deal
with
deal
with
this:
the
broader
the
broader
site,
holistically.
AG
Like
we've,
you
come
into
kind
of
half
of
the
thing
and
on
the
other
side,
you
have
something
that
doesn't
match
with
the
rest
of
it
and
bluntly,
when
we
put
it
all
together,
we've
looked
at
this
site.
I
don't
know
how
many
iterations
I
know
the
staff
went
back
and
I
think
they
probably
modeled.
They
can
tell
you
exactly,
but
it
was
something
like
40
different
models
for
this
site
that
they
went
and
looked
in
every
single
direction.
AG
We
came
back
with
a
different
plan
which
gave
some
extra
density
above
the
parking
garages,
but
we
have
looked
at
everything
as
closely
as
we
can
and
really
with
dealing
with
the
planning
staff
and
everybody
else.
This
is
what
we
came
up
with
as
the
best
planning
result
for
for
the
overall
project
and
then
I'll
go
to
mike.
I
guess.
AH
Initially,
it
was
something
we
were
skeptical
of,
but
then
looking
at
it
much
more
holistically
at
a
broader
scale
and
seeing
the
science
and
seeing
the
data
provided
we
recognize
that
if
remediation
is
proposed,
then
doesn't
it
make
sense
to
propose
the
remediation
where
the
contaminant
hot
spots
are
where
those
heavily
contaminated
soils
and
sediments
are
are
known
to
be,
and-
and
that
is
part
of
the
reason
why
the
proposed
remediation
approach
is
focused
as
it
is.
I
can't
speak
specifically
to
the
method.
AH
Capping
we
understand
has
its
pros
and
it
has
its
cons.
Financial
feasibility
is
no
doubt
part
of
that.
We
have
recommended
and,
as
you
may
see
councillor
in
conservation
authorities
comments,
we
have
recommended
that
that
further
assessment
further
detail
be
provided
on
the
capping
approach
to
ensure
that
it
is
both
feasible
and
efficient
or
sorry
ineffective.
J
I
apologize
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
think
that
I
think
staff
always
like
put
me
on
mute
public
too.
I
suppose
would
like
to
so
that
leads
me
to
a
number
of
other
questions
and
and
the
reason
why
I
chose
that
one
is
my
first
one,
because
the
public
has
certainly
expressed
the
greatest
concern
apprehension
towards
this
development,
because
you
are
impacting
a
significant,
a
provincially,
significant
wetland,
regardless
of
what
your
eis
biologist
has
to
say.
J
Okay,
so
I
I
think
that
there
should
be
further
reflection
on
that
as
the
concerns
that
the
public
have
raised
so
many
times,
and
the
other
factor
mabin
had
spoken
earlier
about
a
meeting
that
took
place
with
the
ministry
of
natural
resources,
ministry
transport
and
they
were
talking
about
12
years
of
data.
That's
missing!
J
So,
mr
dakin,
I
find
it
offensive
that
you
suggest
that
the
data
is
there
and
available,
because
obviously
there's
a
big
gap
missing
which
may
actually
mitigate
or
create
a
situation
where
mitigation
of
capping
would
not
be
appropriate,
and
that
is
probably
quite
a
long
ways
on
this
human.
We
don't
know
because
the
data
is
not
there.
So
let's
clarify
that
directly.
A
AH
AH
We,
we
are
part
of
the
review
agency
that
looks
at
that,
and
and
the
contaminant
loads
that
are
identified
in
the
wetland
portion
in
particular
are
are
believed
to
be
true.
We
don't
have
any
reason
at
this
point
to
to
question
that
by
all
means
we
would
love
to
see
up-to-date
data
and
we'd
expect
that
to
be
the
case
in
confirming
the
remediation
approach,
but
at
the
same
time
we
don't
ignore,
what's
been
provided
and,
and
what
that
demonstrates.
Thank
you.
J
AH
J
I'll
rephrase
it
this
is
a
significant
project.
That's
going
to
significantly
impact
the
environment.
If
this,
if
we
look
at
areas
like
on
ontario
street,
where
buildings
have
shifted
because
of
the
limestone
underneath
creates
pockets
and
caverns,
and
so
we
don't
know
what
the
substrate
underneath
the
property
is
going
to
be.
If
there's
a
lot
of
weight,
it
might
shift
to
cause
different
problems.
It's
like
taking
a
nice
big
roast
beef
sandwich
and
you
smack
your
hand
down
all
the
mayonnaise
spreads
out
as
soon
as
you
put
weight
on
it.
J
So
if
we
don't
know
what
topology
of
that
ground
is
underneath
that
the
soils
I'm
wondering
and
we
don't
know
how
the
water
moves,
the
city
has
taken
on
a
huge
risk
to
understand
what
will
happen
if
there's
substantial
pressures
from
building
or
there's
disruptions
of
the
natural
waterway
that's
happening
underneath.
So
I'm
asking
if
the
developer
would
be
permissive
of
having
an
independent
geologist,
even
if
the
city
had
to
pay
for
this
to
come
onto
the
property
and
actually
do
an
assessment
of
the
water
movement
on
the
site.
AG
I'm
always
open
to
anybody
assisting
with
the
process.
I
I
certainly
am
not
looking
for
another
peer
review,
expense
on
my
side,
and
it
would
be
opposed
to
that.
We
have
a
number
of
experts
that
reviewed
it
there's
a
number
of
experts
that
review
it
when
we
submit
it
to
people.
But
if
the
city
wants
to
spend
the
money
on
that,
then
I
would
be
open
to
allowing.
J
A
J
Y
J
AG
Well,
to
be
clear:
if
I'm
going
to
invest
millions
of
dollars
on
the
site,
we're
going
to
be
the
end
owner
of
it.
So
there
is
always
an
ability
for
the
municipality
to
do
something
like
I
don't
intend
to
build
the
site,
it's
100,
condos
and
then
walk
away.
Our
anticipation
is
to
be
the
long-term
owner
of
the
site
and
be
a
landowner
for
it.
AG
A
O
AG
Well,
this
project's
a
passion
of
love:
it's
not
necessarily
the
most
profitable
one
I'll
ever
be
involved
in
I'm
there,
specifically
because
I
love
the
city
of
kingston.
I
think
the
fact
that
last
of
inner
harbors
contaminated
wasteland
is
really
a
shame,
so
I
sleep
well
at
night.
I
we
plan
our
projects
thoroughly.
We've
finished
a
number
of
them
on
budget
and
on
time.
So
I'm
really.
What
we're
concerned
about
is
is
political
risk
honestly.
A
AI
D
AI
I
have
a
question
a
lot
of
questions,
but
my
first
question
is
related.
Going
back
to
the
last
meeting
the
my
understanding
this
is
to
to
staff
as
much
as
staff.
Okay,
so
my
understanding,
the
supreme
court
of
canada,
makes
it
has
made
it
a
mandatory
requirement.
The
municipality,
the
province
and
the
federal
government
must
consult
with
first
nations
about
matters
that
affect
first
nations.
AJ
Thank
you
and
for
you
I
I
can
certainly
offer
some
some
high
level
oversight
on
this.
One
consultation
with
first
nations
can
be
mandated
through
various
legislative
processes.
Both
you
know
at
the
federal
level,
and
sometimes
through
provincial
policies
and
processes
as
well.
In
the
case
of
this
project,
I'm
not
familiar
with
consultation
with
nations
as
a
requirement
of
the
applications
to
date.
AJ
So,
for
example,
archaeological
assessments
often
require
consideration
of
descendant
communities
and
those
descendant
communities
could
also
be
local
residents
and
not
necessarily
just
nations.
So
I'm
again
not
specifically
aware
of
any
relationships
that
require
duty
to
consult
on
this
project,
but
there
are
different
technical
processes
that
you
consider
indigenous
engagement.
AI
AJ
Thank
you
and
for
you
I.
I
would
assume
that
all
staff
who
are
representing
the
various
areas
of
technical
consideration
on
the
project
are
assessing
them
against
the
legislative
requirements
and,
if
duty,
to
consult
through
the
federal
or
other
processes
was
a
requirement
that
that
would
be
an
expectation
that
staff
would
follow
up
and
ensure
that
those
processes.
AI
AI
AK
No
thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
as
council,
may
recall
the
report
that
we
brought
before
you.
I
believe
that
would
have
been
near
the
end
of
2019
when
we're
in
some
earlier
planning
phases
of
this
project,
in
particular,
doing
some
investigations
around
the
brownfield
and
the
costs
associated
with
that
and
the
eligible
costs
there
was
in
that
report
a
consideration
looking
at
tree
compensation
as
well
as
waving
community
benefits
as
part
of
a
municipal
contribution
to
try
to
look
at
all
the
ways
the
municipality
could
help
to
facilitate
this
project.
AI
AI
AK
Sorry,
council
hutcherson
just
to
clarify
where's
the
city's
leverage
with
respect
to
requiring
the
project
to
have
affordable
units
of
different
varieties
or
the
city's
leverage,
with
respect
to
entering
into
agreements
to
help
co-fund
or
secure
long-term
rental
arrangements
with
respect
to
housing
at
a
certain
range
of
affordability
or
all
of
the
above
all
of
the
above
okay.
So
I
think
you
know
in
terms
of
what
the
applicant
had
indicated
before
and
miss
mcgrath
is
on
the
meeting
tonight,
so
she
may
be
able
to
offer
some
additional
detail
relative
to
the
housing
portfolio.
AK
So
there
there
hasn't
been
a
formal
agreement
arranged
with
respect
to
this
project
in
particular
whether
that
remains
a
future
option
from
a
financial
feasibility
perspective.
I
think
council's
funds
have
been
directed
and
prioritized
to
a
number
of
those
other
projects
that
you've
been
approving
within
your
term
with
respect
to
affordability.
Generally,
our
official
plan
is
looking
for,
like
new
major
developments
to
use
a
25,
affordable
housing
target
as
part
of
large
new
housing
developments.
AK
AK
And
mr
tao,
I
believe,
spoke
to
some
of
the
the
recent
iterations
that
their
group
has
been
doing.
To
try
to
address
that,
to
a
greater
degree,
introducing
a
greater
mix
from
what
was
once
proposed
in
terms
of
some
smaller
bachelor
units
and
a
greater
number
of
them.
That
could
come
on
at
lower
in
terms
of
the
overall
rental
market.
And
then
certainly
there
are
a
number
of
condominiums
that
are
going
to
be
introduced
or
proposed
to
be
introduced
to
this
project.
AK
Well,
that
would
have
a
range
of
affordability,
but
we
haven't
yet
seen
exactly
what
that
looks
like
in
terms
of
the
market
calculations
as
they
would
be
built
at
a
future
date
and
subject
to
those
markets,
but
that
is
a
general
target.
That's
in
our
official
plan
with
respect
to
affordability,
dr
nortograph-
I
don't
know
if
you
have
anything
else
to
offer
specifically
on
affordable
housing,
partnership
opportunities
related
to
this
development.
U
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair
now,
thank
you,
commission,
agnew,
that
that
was
very.
That
was
a
great
summary.
I
think
what
we'll
what
I
will
add
is
we.
We
obviously
continue
to
always
look
at
opportunities
with,
and
I
know
the
proponent
has
identified
that
as
well,
but
opportunities
with
cmhc
and
the
province.
We
know
that
there
is
lots
of
different
opportunities.
You
know,
or
we
anticipate,
that
there
might
be
other
opportunities
and
again
just
a
reminder
that
every.
AB
AI
AI
A
AI
AK
Now,
thank
you
for
your
chair,
so
certainly
counselor.
I
can
commit
to
working
with
miss
nordograph
and
we
can
go
away
and
look
at
future
opportunities.
As
identified,
we've
been
talking
about
the
several
commitments
that
have
been
made
within
this
term
of
council.
However,
what
we
would
be
talking
to
would
be
financial
commitments
of
the
future
council,
but
if
that's
something
this
group
would
like
us
to
pursue,
we
can
certainly
be
looking
at
those
opportunities
and
be
identifying.
AK
You
know
envelopes
of
money
for
us
to
have
a
future
conversation
about.
If,
if
council
is
interested,
or
at
least
the
committee
is
interested
in
looking
at
some
type
of
solidified
city
partnership
with
respect
to
some
of
the
units
and
and
locking
in
rental
rates
and
those
types
of
things
that
we
have
the
ability
to
leverage
through
those
agreements,
we're
happy
to
explore
that
in
greater
detail.
I
think
the
spiritographs
group
have
been
working
very
specifically
on
a
number
of
those
other
projects
that
are
ongoing
right
now.
AK
But
we
can
certainly
look
at
this
in
detail
and
it
would
just
be
in
addition
to
the
funding
envelope,
that's
already
approved
by
council.
For
this
term
related
to
affordable
housing,
that
said,
there
also
could
be
some
pockets
of
money.
We
have
been
fortunate
with
provincial
money
coming
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
I'm
still
getting
to
know
this
portfolio,
but
I'm
happy
to
take
that
away
from
this
meeting
and
look
at
opportunities
that
may
exist.
AI
AI
AI
Gentlemen
miranda
sorenson
made
a
presentation,
and
I
don't
know
if
it
was
clear
or
not,
but
his
concern
was
that
water,
from
from
streams
that
you
that
have
been
buried
or
or
redirected,
come
out
at
the
at
the
at
the
wetland
in
in
the
in
the
tannery
lands,
and
he
was
I
put
in
a
request
about
that
the
other
day.
So
I'm
quite
asking
are
we
going
to
investigate
that?
AI
These
are
streams
that
come
from
up
around
york
and
ragland
in
friendship
park
and
also
up
by
kirkpatrick
and
vision,
and
so
they
would
have
an
effect
on.
You
know
evaluating
what
we
can
do
about
contamination,
what
the
likely
effects
are
being
especially
if
we
rub
the
whole
site
so
can
staff
answer
that
question?
Please.
O
Thank
you,
and
through
you
chair,
I
see
mr
mcclatchy
has
turned
on
his
camera,
so
I'll.
Let
him
answer
this
question,
but
in
general,
in
part
of
development
applications,
we
always
review
to
ensure
that
the
development
that's
happening
on
the
site
doesn't
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
property
surrounding
it.
That
does
include
the
flow
of
water,
storm
water
and
those
details
as
well.
Those
are
looked
at
for
the
detailed
design
stage
through
future
applications
of
the
draft
plan
subdivision.
AE
Yeah,
thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair
yeah.
Normally
the
the
flow
of
water
through
a
property
is
like
this.
One
is
is
addressed
by
the
by
the
developers,
environmental
engineers
and
they've
done
that
through
their
phase
two
environmental
site
assessment
report,
it
does
document
the
conditions
of
groundwater
beneath
the
property
in
terms
of
quality
of
the
groundwater
and
the
flow
directions,
and
so
forth.
AE
A
P
AI
AK
Thank
you.
Three
years,
sir,
I
was
just
swallowing
a
tylenol
there,
sorry
for
delay.
So
in
answer
to
your
question:
counselor,
it's
not
a
matter
of
staff
supporting
or
not.
We
are
working
with
the
crcas
for
council's
direction
relative
to
those
provincial
funds.
The
crca
we've
met
with
them
twice
in
the
last
week
to
talk
about
the
additional
money
that
was
set
aside
for
hydrogeological
and
it
is
upon
them
to
access,
and
you
know,
make
use
of
that
money
as
as
they
see
fit.
AK
I
know
they
have
expressed
some
concern
with
respect
to
how
quickly
they
could
get
that
up
and
going
given
the
other
commitments
they
have
in
the
process
of
trying
to
create
a
a
job
posting
and
get
that
out
there,
and
they
know
that
there's
interest
relative
to
the
tannery,
so
all
I
can
say
is
that
we
are
following
up
with
those
conversations,
and
I
should
have
a
better
idea
next
week
counselor,
but
it's
with
them
right
now.
I
have
met
with
them
twice.
AK
They
know
the
funds
are
available
and
they
also
are
aware
from
you
know
some
interactions
with
members
of
council
that
there
is
a
desire
to
see
the
use
of
that
money
relative
to
some
analysis
for
the
tannery.
It's
just
a
matter
of
the
timing
associated
with
them
being
able
to
you,
know,
utilize
those
funds
and
have
a
secure
plan
in
place,
because
that
has
not
yet
been
formulated.
AI
A
A
Perfect,
thank
you.
I
just
had
a
few
questions
for
the
applicant
around
the
well
two
things
one
is
that
was
made
in
the
last
portion
of
this
public
meeting
about
mr
patcher
yourself
and
your
company
being
the
largest
provider
of
rooftop
solar.
So
that's
in
my
mind,
and
also
the
schematics
that
we
saw
for
this
project.
It
appears
that
there
are
a
number
of
solar
installations
on
the
roofs
of
these
different
buildings.
So
what
role
does
solar
play
in
the
project?
AG
AG
But
if
you
look
at
some
of
the
buildings
like
a10
blackberry,
muse,
that
building
I
built
about
12
years
ago,
we
built
it
to
a
legal
standard.
It's
covered
in
solar,
all
surfacing
aspects.
It
also
is
fully
electric
building
there
we're
doing
one
in
canada.
That's
similar
fully
electric.
So
I
guess
to
answer
your
question.
We
will
endeavor
to
put
as
much
solar
on
the
roofs
as
we
can.
AG
I
believe
it.
I
think
it's
a
great
way
to
do
it.
We
still
have
a
fundamental
problem
with
our
grid.
As
far
as
I
know,
with
uk
and
making
this
an
all-electric
building,
we
just
we
don't
have
the
power,
I'm
being
told
from
the
municipal
side
of
things
to
do
that,
so
it
does
have
to
be
gas
fed.
And
when
we
are
in
those
situations,
then
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
the
highest
efficient
appliances
we
can
and
we're
also
insulating
and
doing
triple
plate
windows.
AG
Overall,
the
building
we're
designing
currently
and
and
this
one
will
be
designed
to
be
25
better
than
what
the
standard
needs
to
be
and
that's
what
we're
striving
for.
We
have
put
a
bunch
of
eb
chargers
in
here
we're
in
the
middle
of
putting
130
ev
chargers
in
kingston,
which
I
think
would
be
probably
one
of
the
larger
people
to
do
that.
So
I
think
I
answered
your
question.
I
hope.
A
AG
There's
an
energy
model
that
that
we
would
do
for
a
building
and
there's
a
prescribed
amount
of
consumption
you
can
have
to
to
your
building
size
and
then
you've
got
it's
an
sb
10.
I
think
you
have
to
compile
to
and
what
we've
we've
mandated.
Our
consultants
to
do
is
to
beat
that
by
25
and
solar
is
part
of
that
mix,
because
it's
a
net
benefit
to
us
for
it.
So
I
we
would
be
looking
to
use
solar
as
part
of
it,
as
well
as
a
number
of
other
efficient
options.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I'm
also
wondering
about
the
shoreline,
and
perhaps
yourself,
mr
patrick
or
one
of
your
team
members,
could
talk
to
us
about
what
is
left
in
the
conversation
with
the
federal
government,
transport,
canada
or
parks.
Canada
to
have
them
feel
a
bit
better
about
the
project,
because
there's
a
fairly
blunt
line
that
as
it
stands
at
least
on
the
landscaping
side
of
things,
I'm
I'm
sure
that
also
applies
to
the
remediation
they're,
not
quite
comfortable
with
where
things
are
at.
AG
U
P
Their
primary
concern
here
is,
with
respect
to
screening,
breaking
up
the
view
of
the
building
from
the
canal,
and
so
what
they're
seeking
is
you
know
a
a
vegetation
planting
plan
that
shows
a
significant
number
of
trees,
and
so
we
have
gone
back
and
updated
our
plans
just
prior
to
the
last
public
meeting
a
couple
or
last
week
they
were
submitted.
So
following
those
park
standard
comments,
we've
made
revisions
and
to
change
the
plan
to
address
some
of
those
comments
in
transport.
P
Canada's
role
here
is
really
not
as
a
commenting
agency
in
terms
of
their
approval
that
they
would
give
any
sort
of
approvals.
Their
role
is
really
in
part,
I
guess
in
the
spirit
of
collaboration
with
their
own
work
in
the
inner
harbor
and
how
their
work
would
interact
with
the
cleanup
here
and
so
again,
we've
made
some
changes
in
response
to
those
comments.
P
Which
shows
the
shoreline,
I
think
the
clerk
could
message
that
they
were
able
to
pull
it
up
so
slide.
44
shows
shows
an
updated
conceptual
plan
there
that
you
know
indicates
the
transport
candlelands
and
the
dark
gray
there,
so
they're
they're,
entirely
still
within
the
jurisdiction
of
transport,
canada
and
how
they
deal
with
them
will
be
through
that
process.
P
The
parkland
space,
which
is
the
in
the
shoreline
space
which
is
the
concern
of
those
two
agencies,
is
partly
in
the
control
of
the
city,
as
we
anticipate
that
the
city
parks
department
would
lead
a
public
process
to
design
the
space
with
input
front
agencies
in
the
conservation
authority.
So
it's
it's
conceptual.
We've
made
some
adjustments,
but
it's
also
something
that
will.
R
A
A
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
a
applicant
question
or
a
stack
question,
but
there
is
considered
there
in
terms
of
moving
contaminants
around
the
province
or
giving
it
to
communities
that
don't
have
the
advantage
that
we
do,
which
is
the
potential
to
make
this
site
clean.
So
why
aren't
we
doing
it
on
site?
Why
is
it
going
elsewhere.
Q
Yeah
so
there's
it's
a
fairly
complicated
answer:
I'll
try
to
keep
it
reasonably
straightforward.
The
the
soil
on
this
site
represents
a
very
complex
mix
of
a
wide
range
of
different
types
of
contaminants,
which
we
talked
about
in
the
presentation
last
week.
There's
there's
heavy
metals,
there's
polycyclic
aromatic
hydrocarbons,
there's
there's
other
types
of
petroleum
hydrocarbons.
Q
There's
there's
quite
a
range
of
different
types
of
contaminants,
and
on
top
of
that,
there's
a
very
heterogeneous
range
of
different
soil
types.
You've
got
granular
soils,
you've
got
clays,
you've
got
silts,
you've
got
pieces
of
concrete
and
rock
you've
got
waste
mixed
in
there
with
with
scrap
metal
and
pieces
of
wood.
Q
Q
Capping
but
some
areas
with
with
removal
and
off-site
disposal,
but
I
should
mention
that
there
likely
will
be
some
treatment
of
the
soil
happening
on
the
site
where
we
have
any
what's
called
leachate
toxic
soils
that
normally
would
have
to
go
to
a
a
very
secure
sanitary
landfill
site,
of
which
there
are
only
a
few
in
the
in
within
a
reasonable
driving
distance.
We
will
likely
be
looking
at
doing
some
soil
stabilization
to
reduce
the
leachate
toxicity
to
enable
that
soil
to
go
to
more
of
a
normal
landfill
site.
Q
D
D
Sorry,
this
just
goes
back
to
a
question
that
was
asked
of
the
of
mr
apache,
and
it
was
around
the
one
of
the
residents
asked
about
heat
pumps,
and
I
think
I
heard
mr
patrick
say
that
there
was
an
issue
with
power
to
the
site.
I
suspect
that's
related
to
the
heat
pumps,
but
just
wondering
if
you
could
kind
of
clarify
that
for
me
and
I'm
I'm
looking
more
at
like.
D
AG
A
couple
of
things,
the
heat
pump
typically
is
used
more
of
a
residential
system.
So
for
your
house,
a
large
capacity
heat
pump
for
a
400
unit
building
would
be
substantially
different,
and
when
we've
looked
at
stuff
with
uk
we've
struggled
to
get
the
power
that
we
need
just
to
do
a
gas
fire
building
down
there.
You
know
if,
if
council
changes
their
directive
and
runs
a
44
kv
line
down,
there
puts
a
bunch
of
money
into
substations.
You
know
there
may
be
power,
and
that
is
an
option.
AG
D
H
AG
H
Okay,
thank
you.
Let's
see
a
question
about
the
caffeine
and
if
a
staff
could
please
put
up
the
diagram
of
the
different
phases
showing
the
wetlands,
thank
you
okay.
So
we
know
that
the
orange
is
the
wetland
area.
That's
going
to
be
kept
and
phase.
Four.
Is
the
buildings
going
up
in
the
left,
the
top
left
side,
which
is
the
northwest
portion
of
the
development?
So
you
can
see
how
there's
like
the
two
buildings.
H
I
guess
it's
just
one
building
and
then
whatever
the
big
parking
lot
or
whatever
in
front
of
it
are
those
our
guests.
The
townhouses
anyway
we'll
be
going
over
some
of
the
orange,
but
we
know
that
the
wetland
at
the
very
top
there,
where
there's
some
green
thatching
right
like
that's
all
the
orange,
is
going
to
be
filled
in
with
this
cap
and
so
how
come
we
still
have
to
fill
in
the
part
of
the
orange
at
that
north
northerly
part
when
the
buildings
are.
H
You
know
like
more
to
the
south
like.
Why
do
we
have
to
cap
in
all
of
the
wetlands?
That's
part
of
your
property
with
the
cap.
So
is
it
just
because
you
want
to
give
more
green
space
to
the
site?
Is
it
because
you
need
to
cap
it
in
order
to
give
enough
stability
to
the
land
in
order
to
build
the
weight
of
the
buildings
in
phase
four
and
phase
two?
P
Q
Yeah,
so
we
have
basically
the
capping
of
that
northern
area.
It
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
with
the
support
for
the
buildings
or
anything
like
that.
It's
it's
an
environmental
concern
and
in
discussions
with
the
crca
in
the
earlier
stages
of
the
project,
it
was
identified
that
there's
extreme
contamination
of
the
sediment
in
that
all
sort
of
westerly
portion
of
the
wetland
and
extending
a
fair
distance
to
the
east
and
north
as
well
that
there's
extreme
contamination
there,
and
that
this
was
an
opportunity.
AG
But
once
we
sat
down
with
all
of
the
experts
and
understood
what
the
risk
was,
it
really
becomes
my
obligation
to
make
sure
that,
when
we're
remediating
the
cyber
media
in
the
same
total-
and
we
don't
leave
something
that
will
continue
to
contaminate
other
areas,
I
felt
it
was
my
obligation
to
make
sure
that
when
we
took
the
site
on,
we
cleaned
it
up
in
its
entirety.
Not
just
the
parts
right.
So.
AH
I'm
fully
clothed
and
I'm
here
but
anyways
to
speak
to
to
a
very
good
question
that
counselor
assanic
raised
in
it.
It
begs
that
question
I
really
do
wish.
We
could
kind
of
overlay
the
the
contamination
hotspot
map
with
the
proposed
remediation
plan,
at
least
a
preliminary
plan,
because
I
I
think
that
does
make
it
clear
at
least
that
that
the
capping
or
I
guess
the
remediation
is
not.
While
there
is
some
overlap
with
the
development
footprint,
it
is
not
tied
directly
to
the
development
footprint.
AH
AH
The
capping
is
what's
proposed
by
the
applicant
is
not
a
requirement
or
a
recommendation
for
that
matter
by
the
conservation
authority.
Remediation
in
general
is
what
we
we
had
recommended,
or
or
encouraged,
especially
to
deal
with
the
off-site
contamination,
which
poses
a
bigger
problem
for
both
human
and
ecological.
Thank
you.
H
Do
you
agree
because
you're
putting
the
big
layer
of
soil
over
top
of
everything?
That's
there.
So
you
know
it's
everything.
That's
there.
You
know,
even
though
yep
we've
heard
the
ecological
services
consultants
say
that
they're
probably
dying.
You
know
anyway,
because
they're
in
such
contaminated
stuff.
H
Basically,
what
we're
saying
is
everything
that's
in
the
wetland
right
now
on
your
property
is
going
to
be
filled
in
and
maybe
even
on
the
winter
time,
where
nothing
is
even
you
know,
able
to
escape
and
hop
off
to
you
know
like
other
areas,
it's
all
going
to
be
filled
over
and
everything
there
is
going
to
die.
So
is
that
what
we're
saying.
AH
AH
H
Right
so
the
reason
why
I'm
asking
is
because,
like
we
just
heard
earlier
before
the
break
that
it
might
be
done
in
the
winter
time-
and
I
think
that's
what
we
heard
in
august
when
we
had
the
second
public
meeting,
it
would
probably
be
done
in
the
winter
time,
because
maybe
the
ground
solid.
I
can't
remember
what
the
reason
was,
but
when
we
had
the
the
meeting
with
parks,
canada
about
remediating
the
cataract
wave
river,
you
know
like
further
to
the
east
of
your
site.
H
They
were
saying
that,
like
when
they're
going
to
clean
it
up,
they're
going
to
do
like
a
quadrant
at
a
time.
So
that's
why
I'm
asking
if
for
your
contaminated
wetland,
if
you
would
do
a
quadrant
of
a
time
and
and
kind
of
like
remove
everything
over
and
then
remove
everything
over,
but
as
far
as
your
land
goes,
it's
my
understanding,
and
I
just
want
it
clarified
by
you.
If
you're
just
gonna
kept
everything.
H
A
S
A
couple
things,
wetland
projects
and
cattails
are
normally
done
in
the
winter,
primarily
because
it's
considered
the
least
damaging
time
to
do
work
in
a
cattle
type.
Wetland
birds,
of
course,
will
not
be
there
in
the
winter
time
again.
It's
the
area
to
be
capped
is
dominated
by
titan
vessel
soleil
and
czech
blanca
and
they're,
both
especially
against
police.
The
first
one
are
both
non-native
invasives.
S
AF
AF
AK
Thank
you
and
through
you,
so
council
may
remember
that
we
brought
a
report
to
you
this
past
september
that
looked
at
the
different
ways
to
to
address
the
psw
issue.
That's
on
the
property,
but
it
was
also
bringing
you
some
information
that
you
requested
with
respect
to
to
peer
review
options
and
costs
associated
with
that
and
what
our
recommendation
was
at
the
time.
I
believe
that
information
suggested
it
would
take.
AK
So
that
remains
staff's
recommendation
so
that
if
there
is
a
desire
to
do
the
peer
review
that
it's
being
done
on
the
much
more
detailed
development
versus
the
cursory
assessment
that
comes
at
the
zoning
op
stage,
where
we
are
right
now,
we
also
have
provided
some
information.
Mr
mcclatchy
meets
may
may
want
to
make
some
additional
comments
because
the
remediation
process
and
everything
to
do
with
that
is
administered
by
the
ministry
of
environment,
including
the
record
of
site
condition.
AK
We
were
trying
to
assess
what
role
a
third
period,
a
third-party
peer
review
done
by
the
city,
would
have
in
a
process
that's
administered
by
an
upper-level
government,
but
in
conversations
with
them
I
think
they
would
certainly
receive
any
peer-review
document
that
we
wanted
to
put
forward
to
them
and,
and
they
would
factor
that
into
their
processes
they
saw
fit.
So
that
does
remain
the
staff
recommendation.
AK
Mr
mcclatchy,
I
don't
know
if
you
have
anything
further
to
say,
but
certainly
if,
if
council
wanted
to
see
something
happening
at
this
stage,
it
could
happen,
there's
nothing
suggesting
it
couldn't
happen.
We
just
don't
think
it's
the
ideal
time
to
do
it,
based
on
the
level
of
information
that
is
presented
at
this
stage
in
the
planning
process.
AF
D
A
AE
Fine
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thanks
for
the
question
yeah,
just
to
add
to
what
commissioner
agnew
was
saying.
Definitely,
if
you're
considering
peer
review,
if
we're
going
to
consider
peer
reviewing
the
remediation
approach
that
needs
to
be
done
at
a
later
stage,
when
it's
more
detailed,
you
know
we
don't
have
enough
detail
about
the
site
and
the
remediation
plan
to
peer
review
it
properly
yet,
and
it
would
be
subject
to
change
anyways
through
the
process
with
the
ministry
of
the
environment.
AE
I
also
wanted
to
reinforce
the
notion
that
the
ministry
of
environments,
review
and
approval
of
the
owner's
remediation
plan
is
is
not
insignificant.
It's
a
very
thorough
iterative
process.
That's
going
to
be
it'll,
take
an
additional
24
months,
at
least
so
it
was
a
point
I
was
trying
to
make.
So
the
resources
we
would
bring
to
bear
on
this
peer
review
would
not
be
the
same
amount
of
resources
that
the
ministry
environment
is
gonna
is
gonna,
be
bringing
to
bear
on
their
review
of
it
and
yes,.
AE
AF
AF
AK
AF
AK
AK
If
council
wants
to
see
that
happening
at
this
stage-
and
there
have
been
other
examples
where
we've
received
motions
from
council
directing
us
to
peer
review
where
staff
didn't
indicate
that
one
would
be
required.
We
can
execute
that
on
council's
behalf,
and
that
was
part
of
that
report
that
we
brought
this
past
september.
AK
I,
yes,
I
understand
so
at
at
the
stage
we're
at
this
is
about
establishing
the
principle
of
development
for
the
property
for
which
there
actually
is
already
a
residential
principle
of
development.
That's
established,
there's
an
old
plan,
a
subdivision,
that's
registered
for
this
property
and
there's
also
residential
permissions.
So
this
would
be
extending
those
permissions
to
what
mr
patrick
has
asked
for
to
your
point
about
being
concerned.
That
council
would
go
and
create
a
permission
and
then
what,
if
information
came
out
later,
that
somehow
would
therefore
make
the
principal
development
something
undesirable.
AK
Is
that
really
what
you're
concerned
about?
I
think
what
what
staff
are
saying
with
the
the
reports
that
we
have
at
this
point
they're
sufficient
to
give
us
confidence
that
the
detailed
work
that
needs
to
happen
to
get
into
that
level
can
still
be
done
with
the
mechanisms
being
the
draft
plan,
a
subdivision
which
has
a
whole
bunch
of
conditions
that
would
have
to
be
cleared
to
this
to
the
city.
AK
Satisfaction
as
well
as
holding
so
there
would
be
mechanisms
in
place
to
make
sure
nothing
can
proceed
to
that
actual
construction
stage
until
we
work
through
it.
But
that
at
this
point
we
feel
that
the
studies
that
have
been
submitted
in
support
of
the
applications
are
sufficient
for
this
phase
of
the
process.
However,
as
I
indicated,
if
council
is
not
feeling
that
that
is
your
level
of
comfort,
we
can
be
directed
to
to
supplement
that.
AF
AK
X
AK
Order
it
deals
with
section
34
of
the
planning
act,
which
is
just
zoning
and
the
process
for
requesting
a
minister
zoning
order
in
ontario,
as
it's
been
explained
to
city
staff
and
having
the
benefit
of
going
through
this
with
council
related
to
clogged
road.
Recently,
it's
a
request
would
need
to
come
forward
from
our
council
with
a
resolution
requesting
that
the
minister
consider
an
m.
AK
So
I
believe
what
mr
patrick
indicated
earlier
in
the
meeting
is
that
he
may
have
reached
out
or
someone
from
the
staff
to
the
minister's
office
about
an
mzo
but
the
minister,
the
minister's
office.
As
we
understand
it
would
not
process
anything
related
to,
even
at
the
request
of
a
private
developer,
without
a
resolution
from
the
council
of
that
municipality
being
in
support
of
a
request
for
an
mzo.
AK
But,
however,
in
this
case,
any
type
of
m-zetto
request
from
this
municipality
would
need
to
be
accompanied
by
a
resolution
of
council.
That's
passed
by
a
majority
and
documented
by
the
clerk,
and
that's
what
actually
gets
forwarded
to
the
ministry
of
affairs
and
housing.
To
commence.
That
process
of
request,
by
which
the
minister
can
say,
yes,
say
no
or
modify
it.
AG
You
can
you
can
respond
as
well.
I
I
think,
there's
some
misunderstanding
because
I
clearly
didn't
say
that
I
was
asking
video
and
when
the
question
was
asked
to
me,
somebody
asked
if
I'd
spoken
to
the
office,
steve
clark-
and
I
said
I
had,
but
I
responded
that
I'm
not
pursuing
that
and
if
it
was
something
that
was
pursued,
it
would
come
from
the
city,
not
me.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
was
clear.
AI
I
was
going
to
ask
certain
questions,
but
I
want
to
get
clarified
on
the
process
here
earlier
on.
Commissioner
agnew
said
that
the
peer
review
would
come
at
a
later
stage
and
I
believe
she
clarified
by
that
by
saying
after
the
op
review
stage,
I
believe
those
are
quotes
and,
if
not
like
that's,
why
I'm
asking
the
question
I
want
to
get
clarified.
AI
AI
AI
AK
I'm
happy
to
answer
that
in
terms
of
process.
What's
before
the
committee
right
now,
you
have
an
application
for
official
plan
amendment
of
rezoning
in
a
draft
plan,
a
subdivision.
The
official
plan
establishes
the
broad
land
use
permissions.
The
zoning
does
the
details
that
regulate
the
building
forum
expectations
and
the
draft
plan
of
subdivision
is
the
mechanism
by
which
the
land
is
subdivided,
so
those
have
come
together
in
a
suite
of
applications
that
are
being
considered
all
at
once.
AK
The
studies
that
are
involved
associated
with
this
stage
of
the
planning
process
are
our
higher
level
in
in
detail.
They,
you
know,
they're
going
to
talk
about
the
necessary
information,
proving
that
the
principle
of
development,
so
the
residential,
the
commercial,
whatever
you're
asking
for,
can
be
supported
in
consideration
of
all
the
information.
AK
The
comprehensive
report,
as
mr
park
indicated,
would
be
at
a
future
meeting
of
planning
committee
and
that
would
include
a
recommendation
from
staff
with
respect
to
the
zoning
application.
The
official
plan
amendment
and
the
draft
plan
of
subdivision
so
council
would
need
to
support
those
to
get
this
project
to
the
next
stage
of
development.
AK
The
report
that
that
staff
brought
last
september
talking
about
the
peer
review
information,
what
we
indicated
at
that
time
and
remains
our
opinion
that
if,
if
council,
is
interested
in
peer
reviewing
looking
at
hydrology
and
hydrogeology,
which
are
the
two
things
that
have
been
talked
about,
it
would
make
sense
to
do
that
at
the
next
phase,
which
is
when
an
applicant
goes
from
clearing
the
conditions
of
draft
plan
approval
to
final
plan
of
subdivision
when
all
of
the
very
detailed
design
takes
place.
The
amount
of
information
is
a
lot
more
exciting.
AK
That
remains
our
recommendation.
So
from
that
standpoint,
if
we
follow
things
as
they
are
right
now,
those
peer
reviews,
we
are
not
intending
to
do
them
before
the
comprehensive
report
on
the
zoning.
The
official
plan
amendment
in
the
draft
plan,
the
subdivision,
if
council
would
like
to
see
us,
do
that,
we
need
to
be
directed
to
have
that
done,
because
that
would
be
contrary
to
the
recommendation
of
the
best
stage
to
do
the
peer
reviews.
AI
Right
and
that's
what
I
wanted
to
know-
and
you
did
say
that
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
about
what
that
entails,
so
we
bring
okay.
So
that
was
a
follow-up
question
we
need
to
bring.
If
we
want
to
see
these
periods,
we
have
to
bring
motions
to
council
to
indicate
that
we
want
it
and
we
want
it
before
the
comprehensive
disease.
AI
AI
AK
So
what
we
have
before
us
that's
informed
a
number
of
the
reports
that
have
gone
to
council
on
the
brownfield,
in
particular
in
the
ground.
The
brownfield
agreement
that
council
approved
last
summer
is
a
conceptual
remediation
plan.
Should
the
project
be
successful,
getting
support
from
council
to
approve
the
zoning
official
plan,
amendment
draft
plan,
a
subdivision,
then
the
applicant
has
the
principal
development
secured.
AI
AI
Okay,
so
I
have
some
follow-up
questions
that
relate
to
the
crca
letter
of
march
21
22
21,
2000
2022..
So
the
first
part
is
that
they
recommend
that
the
wetland
remediation
plan
be
subject
to
peer
review
by
qualified
independent
professionals
determine
whether
the
initial
assessment
and
wetland
capping
approach
are
valid.
AK
No
counselor,
we
would
take
that
as
the
technical
advice
of
a
commenting
agency
and
that
work
would
be
done
following
an
approval
of
the
zoning
official
plan
amendment
at
the
next
stage,
which
is
the
detailed
design.
So
our
staff
recommendation
is
similar
to
the
recommendation.
That's
offered
here
by
the
conservation
authority
with
respect
to
peer
reviewing
and
timing.
AI
AB
AI
A
Okay,
so
counselor,
I
see
a
few
staff
with
their
hands
up
and
I
would
encourage
us.
It
seems
like
some
of
these
questions
are
being
a
bit
repetitious,
so
I
just
want
to
recognize
that
as
the
chair
who
can
streamline
it,
that'd
be
welcome,
I'm
sure
so,
let's
go
with
mr
mcclatchy,
then
mr
dakin,
please.
AE
AE
So
it's
much
simpler
for
developers
to
have
certainty
in
their
remediation
plans
when
they're
taking
that
approach.
In
this
case,
it's
a
hybrid
model
of
that
generic
cleanup
approach,
plus
the
majority
of
the
of
the
site,
uses
a
risk
assessment.
The
risk-ass
assessment
is
a
very
prescriptive
process.
Under
ontario
regulation
takes
a
very
long
time
for
the
the
developers
environmental
engineer
to
work
with
the
ministry
of
the
environment
on
the
back
and
forth
way
to
to
develop
a
remediation
plan
that
the
ministry
of
the
environment
is
going
to
sign
off
on.
O
Sorry,
thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
there
are
numerous
development
applications
across
the
city.
Currently
that
have
elements
of
cyber
mediation
that
have
to
occur.
What
we
commonly
see
through
developing
applications
for
rezoning
graph
lines
of
subdivision
those
types
of
applications
up
front.
They
do
their
environmental
site
assessment,
which
lay
out
the
path
forward
for
remediation
at
a
later
date
once
they
get
their
landing
planning
approvals.
This
is
on
balance
for
what
we're
doing
with
the
north
hell,
the
former
north
carolina,
700
gardner
road.
O
The
environmental
contamination
for
subdivisions
over
in
the
east
end
where
they
are
able
to
obtain
their
zoning
approval,
subject
to
a
hold
and
their
draft
point.
The
subdivision
condition,
but
both
of
those
are
not
finalized
and
active,
so
hold
can't
be
lifted.
Oftentimes.
A
final
plan
of
subdivision
can't
be
enacted
upon
until
the
record
of
site
condition
is
obtained
for
smaller
sites
just
subject
to
site
plan
control.
AH
Thank
you
james
and
three,
mr
chair,
just
briefly
because
mr
mcclatchy
and
mr
barr
have
answered
that
much
much
better
than
I
could
holistically,
but
briefly
to
councillor
hutchinson's
comment.
The
conservation
authority
initially
was
making
that
recommendation
that
the
remediation
occur
in
advance
of
development
recognizing
now
through
further
review
that
the
scale
of
the
necessary
remediation.
AH
AI
A
AH
AH
It
is
ultimately
up
to
staff,
and
I
would
say
in
this
case
the
staff
perhaps
know
the
nuances
of
the
approval
process
a
bit
better
than
the
conservation
authority,
but
ultimately,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
our
recommendation
is
that
that
some
type
of
peer
review
occur
before
development
happen
on
the
site
and
it
is
up
to
staffing
and
ultimately
up
to
to
council
at
a
later
date,
to
determine
when
and
how
that
happens.
Thank
you.
AH
J
Mr
chair,
thank
you
very
much
for
recognizing
me.
I
have
a
question
with
regards
to
the
off-site
treatment
of
substrate
that
is
contaminated.
I'd
like
to
understand
their
said.
It's
in
theory
proposed.
Is
there
a
site
close
to
kingston,
that's
being
planned
to
be
utilized
that
has
security
and
fencing
and
everything
that
was
described
in
order
to
deal
with
these
contaminated
land.
J
Q
J
O
J
No,
no,
not
policy
conflicts,
because
mr
barr
you're
very
adept
at
that.
I'm
very
confident
in
your
ability
to
deal
with
anything
like
that.
My
my
question
is
really
related
to
understanding
the
science
of
the
contamination
of
a
wetland
and
what's
imposed
upon
doing
that,
if
we
don't
have
staff
that
have
that
experience
either
at
the
ccra
or
within
the
city.
O
Thank
you
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
the
applicants
have
submitted
a
justification
report
outlining
all
the
contaminants
associated
with
the
site
by
their
own
professional
and
technical
experts
that
is
being
reviewed
internally
by
city
staff
as
well
as
the
crca.
We
do
have
paul
mcclatchy
here
with
us
tonight
who
has
been
reviewing
this
and
is,
is
qualified
to
do
so.
I'm
going
to
turn
this
over
to
mr
mcclatchy,
because
he
is
also
explained
in
detail
about
the
provincial
process
associated
with
reviewing
the
record.
O
AE
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair
yeah,
you're
correct
council
chappella.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
experience
in
looking
at
remediation
plans
for
potentially
significant
wetlands,
thankfully,
because
it
doesn't
happen
very
often,
but
I
will
say
the
principles
of
remediation
and
in
particular,
soil
and
sediment.
Remediation
are
pretty
similar
on
terrestrial
environments
and
wetland
environments.
AE
Granted
there
are
certain
controls
and
regulatory
differences
in
terms
of
how
work
is
done
in
a
wetland
environment
that
have
been
addressed
by
by
mr
shipley
and
are
being
reviewed
by
the
crca
and
will
also
be
reviewed
by
the
ministry
of
environment,
conservation
and
parks.
So
we
do.
We
do
have
faith
in
the
ministry
and
crca
and
the
qualified
person.
That
is,
mr
shipley,
that
the
the
remediation
plans
for
the
wetland
are
going
to
be
done
in
a
scientific
with
scientific
rigor.
J
J
A
Q
Q
A
H
AG
M
V
AG
If
you
don't
know
what
osp
is
it's
hard
to
explain,
but
it's
basically
applied
it's
just
chipped
up
stuff
with
glue
is
what
we
use
in
construction
for
for
most
of
the
floor,
shooting
or
wall
shooting.
So
our
goal
would
be
to
take
all
of
the
wood
from
the
site,
make
sure
that
it's
being
used
productively
and
reused.
H
Okay,
okay,
so
like
I
just
have
a
question
because
we're
told
that
the
trees
are
toxic
on
the
site
right,
which
is
why
we
can't
save
the
white
oak
tree,
but
some
like
if
it's
a
good
quality
tree,
that's
being
cut
down
like
one
of
the
walnut
trees.
One
of
the
really
large
trees
is
going
to
be
milled
and
harvested,
which
would
be
bringing
the
wood
back
into
someone's
house
like
that,
doesn't
seem
to
make
any
sense
if
the
trees
are
so
toxic.
H
AG
Do
this
toxic?
It's
it's
the
soil
around
the
tree
and
the
way
it's
been
explained
to
me
when
I've
spent
a
great
deal
of
time.
Trying
to
save
the
tree
and
we've
investigated
this.
But
really
the
fundamental
part
that
is
at
issue
is
is
that
we
have
to
remediate
the
entirety
of
the
site
and
if
you
picture
a
large
site,
the
picture
of
the
nortel
site.
We
looked
at
that
a
long
time
ago.
AG
There's
100
acres,
there's
five
acres
of
really
contaminated
space
when
we
looked
at
that,
maybe
five
or
seven
but
a
small
portion
of
the
site
was
contaminated
and
if
you
were
allowed
to
just
take
the
contaminated
area
and
chop
it
off
and
then
develop
the
non-contaminated
area,
people
would
do
that
all
over
the
place
and
be
left
with
these
really
contaminated
pockets.
So
the
administrative
environment
doesn't
want
to
put
president
in
place
that
allows
for
contaminated
space
to
not
be
remediated
as
part
of
the
remediation
process.
AG
AG
AG
We
have
been
in
contact
with
the
city
over
over
a
number
of
things
for
trees
and
tree
canada
and
we're
trying
to
look
at
planting
9
500
trees
on
some
of
the
city's
property
currently,
but
I
think
that's
a
fantastic
idea
is
to
grab
those
acorns
and
figure
out
a
way
of
producing
saplings
and
then
take
those
saplings
and
put
them
back
into
the
community,
so
at
least
the
tree
lives
on
in
the
community.
So
we
aren't
going
to
investigate
that
and
endeavor
to
do
that.
H
Okay
and
even
if
there's
any
acorns
that
have
developed
like
from
shoots,
you
know
like,
I
know
that
the
oak
trees
have
a
very
deep
tap
root
right.
So
yeah,
it's
like
really
hard
to
transplant
an
oak
tree
once
it
gets
to
be
a
certain
age
right
because,
like
it's,
not
gonna
survive.
But
if
there's
like
any,
you
know
like
young
like
first
year,
you
know
like
little
things
kind
of
around
there
if
they
could
be
dug
out
too,
because
at
least
they've
already
germinated
from
the
acorns.
H
AG
H
Thank
you
and
then
I
just
have
some
questions
like
mostly
for
kevin
or
mr
shipley
right.
If
I
have
the
name
wrong,
I'm
sorry!
But
okay,
when
when
we
were
saying
that
the
pipe
is
gonna
be
extended
for
storm
water
and
going
across
the
cap
of
the
width
of
going
across
the
cap
of
the
wetland
and
then
out
to
what
what
is
like
further
east,
the
the
wetland
that's
further
east.
H
And
what
not
is
that
then,
the
storm
water
coming
off
the
site
like
off
of
the
tannery
land
site.
That's
going
to
be
in
that
pipe
or
is
that
the
water
coming
from
the
other
areas
that
councilor
hutchinson
was
saying
like
from
the
other
street
areas
like
from
montreal
street
and
beyond,
which,
which
was
the
pipe
that
was
going
to
go
across
the
cap
of
the
wetland
to
the
east,
into
the
provincially
significant
wetland,
that's
owned
by
parks,
canada
and
the
city.
Q
H
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
the
storm
water
that
is
going
to
be
actually
on
the
tannery
lands
like
generated
on
on
this
development.
Do.
Does
that
go
like
into
basically
emma
martin
park
to
the
big
holding
tank
there
and
then
under
the
river
and
off
to
raven's
view
or
what
happens
to
tibet?
Or
does
it
go
into
the
river.
P
So
yeah,
thank
you
a
question.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
So
the
stormwater
on
the
site
it
has
to
be
dealt
with
on
the
site
before
it
can
be
released
so
similar
to
any
other
developments.
You
know
the
the
the
word
or
the
phrases
like
you
can't
have
more
development
or
more
water
leaving
the
site
after
development
than
before
the
development,
and
then
you
also
have
to
make
sure
that
any
water
leaves
the
site
is
properly
treated.
P
So
through
the
subdivision
process
and
the
individual
site
plan
processes,
it'll
have
to
go
through
a
stormwater
review
and
there
is
a
stormwater
report
currently
so
there.
If
there's
water
flowing
from
the
site
to
the
south
right
now,
that
may
still
happen
or
it
may
go
into
sanitary
or
storm
sewers
in
the
street.
H
Okay,
thank
you
so
for
the
pipes
that
we
have
right
so
like
underneath
the
ground
at
the
site
like
we
would
have
surface
water,
sewers,
gas
pipes,
water
pipes,
they
all
have
to
be
buried
below
the
surface
on
at
the
tannery
lands,
and
are
they
going
to
be
dug
above
the
cap
or
are
they
they
would
have
to
be
above?
The
cap?
Is
that
correct.
Q
That's
going
to
run
through
the
development
then
likely.
The
way
that
would
work
is
you
would
dig
your
trench
you'd
install
your
your
sand
or
gravel
material
around
the
pipe
and
then
above
that
you'd
be
able
to
likely
back
fill
some
of
the
material
that
came
out
of
the
trench,
even
if
it
was
somewhat
contaminated
and
then
cover
it
over
with
a
properly
designed
pavement.
R
Q
Some
cases
surplus
material
may
need
to
be
removed
from
the
site
and
taken
to
a
landfill,
or
in
some
cases
it
might
be
able
to
be
placed
somewhere
else
and
potentially
be,
for
example,
under
a
parking
lot
or
some.
Something
like
that.
So
there'd
be
different
ways
that
you
could
manage
that
material.
Q
Yeah,
so
this
all
this
type
of
thing
that
I'm
describing
would
be
subject
to
the
risk
assessment
and
and
multiple
rounds
of
review
by
the
mecp,
and
then
there
would
be
the,
as
I
mentioned
before,
the
certificate
of
property
use.
That
would
ensure
that
this,
these
these
measures,
the
capping,
etc,
would
be
put
in
place
and
monitored
in
perpetuity.
H
S
S
I
could
go
on
for
several
hours
on
how
corridors
work
and
I
just
don't
want
to
make
it
sound
too
simple
or
trite,
but
just
as
an
example,
there
are
deer
that
occasionally
move
down
through
the
city
and
they
might
look
for
areas
that
are
green
like
this,
but
that
doesn't
count
as
a
as
a
corridor
of
any
significance
for
gaia
purposes.
Unless
the
numbers
of
gear
are
significant.
S
H
P
For
your
sharia,
a
good
question,
and
it's
so
it
kind
of
goes
back
to
that
the
stormwater
question
and
answer
in
terms
of
all
the
runoff
from
the
sites.
You
know
if
it's
a
roadway
or
parking
lot
or
buildings,
and
this
is
where
the
conservation
authority
particularly
gets
involved
in
reviewing
that
along
waterfront
properties.
Q
P
Has
to
be
treated
particularly
where
it's
roadways
and
things
where
vehicles
would
travel
there
might
be
that
oil,
for
example,
and
so
you
have
to
direct
it
into
you,
can't
let
it
go
over
the
overland
into
the
river.
You
have
to
direct
it
into
like
a
storm
sewer
or
some
sort
of
oil
grit
separator
system.
P
A
All
right,
thanks
counselor
with
30
seconds
to
spare,
so
I'll,
look
for
any
final
questions
from
committee
going
once
twice
that
will
lead
us
to
the
end
of
this
portion
of
the
meeting.
So
I
will
officially
adjourn
the
public
meeting
but
a
reminder
to
committee
that
we
have
to
go
through
the
actual
planning
committee
meeting.
So
thank
you
to
the
applicant's
team
to
the
public
and,
of
course,
to
our
staff
for
being
here
for
this
third
and
final
public
meeting
on
this
file.
A
N
A
Councillor
chappelle
seconder,
all
those
in
favor
and
that
passes
unanimously.
We
of
course
have
to
have
the
addeds
included
in
that
as
well,
because
we
had
two
few
addeds
tonight,
so
I'm
gonna
actually
have
to
do
that
vote
again.
My
apologies
to
committee.
Can
we
approve
the
agenda
with
the
addeds
counselor
should
help
counselor
hill,
all
those
in
favor
and
again
that
passes
very
good
confirmation
of
the
minutes.
From
the
last
planning
meeting
on
march
3rd,
mover
and
seconder
councillor
hill,
we
need
a
seconder
for
that.
A
Please
counselor
sonic,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
minutes
and
that
passes.
Are
there
any
disclosures
of
pecuniary
interest,
seeing
none.
There
are
no
delegations
tonight
we
have
no
briefings
no
business,
no
emotions
are
there
any
seeing
none,
no
other
business,
but
there
are
a
number
of
correspondence
noted
on
whatever
that
is
22
pages
of
the
schedule
and
with
that
we
have
our
next
meeting
next
week
at
6
p.m,
and
this
puts
us
at
what
about
9
hours
and
15
minutes.
For
this
meeting,
we'll
probably
happily
adjourn,
we
have
a
mover
for
that.