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From YouTube: Kingston, Ontario - Planning Committee - March 24, 2022
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Planning Committee meeting from March 24, 2022. For full meeting agenda, visit https://bit.ly/382phq3. This meeting was recessed until Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 6 PM.
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B
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
and
through
you
welcome
everyone
to
tonight's
meeting.
I
can
confirm
that
we
do
have
quorum.
Currently
missing
from
the
committee
is
councillor
chappelle
joining
us
from
staff.
Paige
agnew,
commissioner
of
community
services,
tim
park,
director
of
planning
services,
james
barr
manager
of
development
approvals,
chris
wicca
senior
planner.
B
We
also
have
jennifer
campbell
director
of
heritage
services,
paul
mcclatchy,
environment,
director,
marissa,
moscaro
manager
of
transportation
infrastructure
and
karen
santucci,
director
of
public
works
and
solid
waste
included.
This
evening
is
also
michael
dakin,
who
is
a
resource
planner
with
the
crca,
and
we
have
six
agents
who
are
joining
us
for
the
application
this
evening.
I
will
confirm
mr
chair
that
we
do
have
128
participants
right
now
joining
us
in
the
gallery
with
already
six
hands
raised
so
I'll.
Take
it
back
to
you,
mr
chair.
A
Perfect,
thank
you
very
much
and
once
again
welcome
to
everyone
it's
great
to
have
a
full
house
tonight,
both
of
staff
and
members
of
the
public,
and
we
hope
that
in
a
few
moments,
counselor
sheppell
can
join
us
and
we'll
have
a
full
bench
of
committee.
So
we'll
call
to
order
then
officially
this
public
meeting
for
two
river
street
and
50
orchard
street
and
as
many
of
us
know,
this
is
a
non-statutory
meeting
for
the
tannery
proposal.
A
A
Secondly,
I
think,
at
least
in
my
view,
we're
really
blessed
to
have
a
community
that
has
such
an
active
concern
for
planning
we're
all
here.
All
of
us,
no
matter
why
we're
here
we're
all
here,
because
we
want
to
be
heard
in
some
way
in
shaping
the
future
of
our
city,
and
this
is
good,
and
I
think
that
we
honor
that
and
make
the
most
of
that
shared
common
goodwill
by
making
space
for
all
voices
to
participate.
A
In
my
role,
that
means
that
I
have
to
be
really
diligent
about
timelines,
so
the
applicant
will
have
up
to
30
minutes
to
make
their
presentation,
and
then
members
of
the
public
will
have
a
maximum
of
five
minutes
each.
But,
as
you
can
imagine,
based
on
the
numbers
that
you
heard
five
minutes
times,
few
hundred
participants
would
be
many
many
hours.
In
fact
it
might
even
be
pushing
into
many
days
so
if
either
or
both
groups,
public
or
the
applicant
and
of
course,
staff
could
trim
their
time.
A
That
will
be
better,
so
more
people
can
be
heard
tonight.
For
example,
if
someone's
already
said
something
you
wanted
to
say
feel
free
to
lend
support
briefly
to
the
position.
That's
obviously
fine,
but
I
hope
we
to
avoid
any
unnecessary
repetition
or
duplication,
because
planning
comments
really
should
be
more
about
the
quality
than
the
quantity
and
then,
finally,
directly
related
to
that.
A
A
So
thank
you
for
indulging
with
that.
With
that
in
mind,
I
will
read
the
official
notice
of
collection
and,
if
you're
following
along
at
home,
it's
page
two
of
the
agenda,
and
it
goes
like
this
personal
information
collected
as
a
result
of
this
public
meeting
and
the
process
is
collected
under
the
authority
of
the
planning
act
and
will
be
used
to
assist
in
making
a
decision
on
this
matter.
A
The
purpose
of
the
public
meeting
is
to
present
planning
applications
in
a
public
forum
and
to
give
the
public
an
opportunity
to
make
representations
in
respect
of
the
proposal,
as
required
by
the
planning
act.
Though
again,
I
know
this
is
non-statutory,
we're
outside
of
that
framework
as
such,
because
it's
a
third
public
meeting
following
presentations
by
the
applicant,
the
meeting
will
be
open
to
the
public
for
comments
and
questions.
Persons
speaking
at
the
meeting
are
requested
to
give
their
name
and
address
for
recording.
A
In
the
minutes,
additionally,
interested
members
of
the
public
can
email,
the
city
clerk,
miss
fawcett,
who
we
just
heard
from,
or
the
assigned
planner
mr
wicca,
if
you
wish
to
be
notified
regarding
a
particular
application
and
we
will
be
able
to
have
their
emails
up
for
you
and
I
believe,
that's
appearing
on
the
screen
right
now,
which
is
excellent.
So
if
you
don't
wish
to
speak
tonight,
but
you
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
process-
use
these
emails
to
do
just
that.
No
decisions
are
made
at
a
public
meeting
concerning
applications.
A
An
exception
to
this
is
combined
reports
which
consolidates
public
meetings
and
comprehensive
reports,
but
we're
not
doing
that
so
I'll
skip
to
tell
you
that
public
meeting
reports
are
provided
to
inform
the
public
of
all
relevant
information.
After
the
meeting
tonight,
staff
will
be
considering
the
comments
made
by
the
public
in
their
further
review
of
the
application.
A
When
this
review
is
complete,
a
comprehensive
report
will
be
prepared
making
a
recommendation
for
action
to
this
committee.
So
that's
down
the
road
from
where
we
are
today.
The
recommendation
is
typically
to
approve
with
conditions
or
to
deny
it.
The
committee
then
makes
a
recommendation
on
the
applications
to
city
council
who
has
the
final
say
on
the
applications.
C
Through
you,
mr
chair,
my
name
is
chris
wicca,
I'm
a
senior
planner
with
the
city,
so
notice
was
provided
in
accordance
with
the
planning
act.
As
detailed
in
the
public
meeting
report,
a
notice
has
been
provided
to
all
49
owners
within
120
meters
of
the
subject.
Property
and
notice
has
also
been
provided
to
all
persons
who
have
made
written
submissions
or
who
have
made
a
presentation
previously
at
a
public
meeting.
D
C
Well,
this
is
not
a
statutory
public
meeting
held
under
the
planning
act,
but
it's
additional
to
the
two
previous
public
meetings
that
were
held,
including
the
initial
statutory
meeting,
so
we're.
The
purpose
of
this
meeting
is
for
the
applicant
to
present
their
revised
proposal
and
for
planning
committee
and
the
public
to
ask
questions
and
for
committee
and
members
of
the
public
to
be
able
to
get
some
responses.
C
F
F
F
F
Proposals
are
approximately
50
000
square
feet
of
commercial
1670
residential
units
and
approximately
10
acres
of
parks,
open
space
and
natural
area,
and
the
applications
that
were
filed
include
official
plan
and
zoning
bio
amendment
and
a
draft
plan
of
subdivision
next
slide.
Please
the
process
that
we're
currently
in
commenced
in
january
2018.
So
just
over
four
years
ago,
during
this
time,
we've
had
multiple
iterations
of
the
projects
proposed,
including
comprehensive
reviews
of
those
in
the
interim.
F
F
So,
as
I
said,
each
of
the
phases
contains
300
500
dwelling
units,
as
well
as
some
ground
floor
commercial.
I
will
note
here
that
the
unit
mix
has
increased
somewhat
from
the
previous
public
meeting
in
august
of
last
year,
so
the
built
form
is
not
proposed
to
change
from.
What's
previously
been
shown.
D
F
Will
include
both
public
and
private
parking,
including
approximately
half
of
the
parking
spaces
being
electric
vehicle
ready
spaces
there'll
also
be
a
number
of
car
share
spaces,
as
well
as
a
significant
number
of
biking
e-bike
these
scooter
spaces
in
excess
of
one
one
space
per
residential
unit
and
next
slide.
Please.
F
The
buildings
are
set
back
on
an
average
between
40
and
50
meters
and
and
for
the
most
part,
sorry
between
average
of
40,
40
and
50
meters.
There
was
one
portion
of
the
phase,
one
building,
which
is
a
30
meter
setback
at
the
south
east
corner.
But
apart
from
that,
the
buildings
exceeds
the
setback.
Requirements
recommended
throughout
various
documents.
F
F
As
the
site
is
on
the
rideau
canal,
which
is
the
nestor
world
heritage
site,
a
heritage
impact
study
was
completed,
it
made
a
number
of
recommendations
and
the
his
has
also
been
peer
reviewed
and
we
are
responding
to
those
peer
reviews
in
a
provided
development
form
that
satisfies
the
recommendations
of
the
his
next
slide.
Please,
the
draft
plan
of
subdivision
proposes
broadly
to
create
four
development
blocks
and
then
a
new
public
road
and
two
open
space
blocks
and
one
central
park
block
next
slide
is.
F
With
respect
to
climate
change,
there
are
a
number
of
ways
in
which
the
proposal
does
respond
positively
to
climate
change
and
and
the
city's
declaration
of
a
climate
emergency.
This
includes
providing
electric
vehicle
parking
across
the
site,
as
well
as
providing
car
share
spaces
opportunities
for
non-motorized
transportation,
such
as
cycling
and
walking,
supportive
of
public
transit
usability.
F
There
are
also
opportunities
for
using
solar,
energy
and
heating
and
water
reclamation
in
the
building
itself,
which
will
also
be
a
energy
efficient
design,
as
required
by
the
code
and
in
excess
of
the
code
in
certain
areas.
Next
slide,
please,
there
are
a
number
of
positive
environmental
impacts
anticipated
from
the
development.
This
includes
the
built
form
which
is
high
density,
and
it
makes
an
efficient
use
of
land
in
the
existing,
developed
and
serviced
area.
F
The
construction
type
is
wood
construction,
which
has
significantly
less
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
concrete,
for
example,
the
location
is
in
a
look
in
an
area
that
is
walkable
and
the
mix
of
uses
on
site
could
also
provide
for
a
complete
community.
So
that's
the
need
to
drive
for
every
every
occurrence
would
be
reduced,
so
people
can
get
groceries
and
other
other
necessities
on
site
rather
than
having
to
drive
off-site
compared
to
ground-oriented
subdivisions,
particularly
those
are
not
located
in
a
in
a
more
urban
area
such
as
this.
F
The
proposal
also
reduces
land
consumption
and
energy
use
and
reduces
greenhouse
gas
emissions
by
approximately
half
in
this
location,
with
this
type
of
building
compared
to
ground
oriented
subdivisions.
This,
for
example,
would
reduce
the
need
to
plant
trees
to
accommodate
that
greenhouse
gas
emission
by
approximately
250
thousand
new
trees.
F
F
F
E
G
G
So
just
very
briefly
at
the
top.
The
first
step
is
to
complete
a
phase
one
environmental
site
assessment
once
that's
done
that
determines
based
on
the
environmental
areas
of
concern
at
the
site,
whether
a
phase
two
esa
is
needed.
If,
if
a
phase
two
is
not
needed,
you,
you
can
go
straight
to
filing
an
rsc,
but
in
this
case,
of
course,
a
phase
two
is
needed,
so
you
go
and
do
a
phase
two.
G
Once
the
phase
two
is
done,
you
determine
whether
there's
any
contamination
that
exceeds
the
site
condition
standards
over
on
right
there.
If
there
isn't,
you
can
file
your
record
of
site
condition,
but
if
there
are
exceedances
you
can
go
down
and
determine
whether
you're
going
to
do
a
risk
assessment.
G
Or
are
you
going
to
do
a
remediation
if
you're
going
to
do
a
remediation,
which
is
the
plan
with
some
phases
of
this
site?
Then
you
go
to
the
to
the
no
to
that
middle
box.
Where
it
says
property
is
remediated
and
confirmatory
sampling
is
done,
and
if
you
once
you've
completed
the
remediation,
you
can
go
to
filing
your
record
of
site
condition.
G
G
So
in
on
this
site,
we
did,
as
I
said,
the
first
step
was
the
phase
one
environmental
site
assessment.
There
are
a
lot
of
industrial,
historic
industrial
uses
that
led
to
considerable
contamination
such
as
the
smelter
and
the
davis
tannery
operation
next
slide,
and
we
looked
at
aerial
photos.
We
looked
at
historical
information
and
here's
a
1955
aerial
photo
showing
the
what
led
to
the
high
degree
of
contamination
on
the
site
through
the
discharge
of
effluent,
from
the
tannery
over
towards
the
northeast
and
into
the
wetland
area
next
slide.
G
G
We
and
other
consultants
have
done
over
70
test
pits,
180,
boreholes,
60
monitoring,
wells,
270,
soil
samples
were
collected
and
analyzed
90.
Groundwater
samples,
140
sediment
samples
in
excess
of
those
numbers,
and
you
can
see
the
the
number
of
different
types
of
contaminants
that
were
analyzed
there
down
at
the
bottom.
Next
slide.
G
G
G
The
ministry
of
the
environment,
site,
condition
standards,
and
if
you
look
at
the
coloration,
you
can
see
that
probably
more
than
50
of
the
site
has
concentrations
that
exceed
100
times
those
standards
for
different
metal.
Contaminants
next
slide,
and
you
can
see
the
impact
this
has
had
over
the
years.
G
G
G
G
So
remediation
approaches
we
considered
were
do
nothing
or
removal
of
contaminated
soil
or
placement
of
capping.
As
I
discussed,
and
the
do
nothing
approach
is
really
not
acceptable,
because
we
need
a
record
of
site
condition
for
this
property
and
that
cannot
be
obtained
without
doing
something
to
address
the
exceedances
of
the
contamination
exceedances
across
the
site.
G
The
capping
design
is
going
to
vary
across
the
site
depending
on
the
situation,
and
I
just
want
to
mention
some
people
when
they
hear
capping.
They
think
it's
a
clay
cap,
it's
not
necessarily
clay.
It's
going
to
be
a
variety
of
different
soil
types.
The
main
purpose
of
it
is
essentially
to
stop
people
from
and
animals
from
coming
into
contact
with
the
contamination
and
to
stop
the
contamination
from
running
off
site.
G
G
All
of
this
is
going
to
be
subject
to
multiple
rounds
of
rigorous
review
by
the
ministry
of
the
environment
and
there's
going
to
be
long-term
monitoring
and
maintenance
of
the
risk
management
measures
which
include
the
capping,
the
encapsulation
and
other
things
as
well,
and
this
long-term
monitoring
and
maintenance
is
a
legal
requirement
through
a
mechanism
called
a
certificate
of
property.
Use
next
slide.
G
Oak
tree,
this
is
my
last
slide.
This
is
oak
tree
considerations.
We
looked
at
this.
We
we
looked
at
ways
that
perhaps
the
tree
could
be
saved
it.
Doesn't
it
doesn't
it's
not
feasible
based
on
our
review,
because
we
need
to
get
a
record
of
site
condition.
We
need
to
address
the
contamination
that
can
be
done
in
one
of
two
ways:
either
through
removal
of
the
contaminated
soil
or
through
a
risk
assessment
process.
G
Removal
of
the
soil
would
kill
the
tree
because
it
would
need
to
be
removed
from
in
around
the
roots
and
plate.
The
risk
assessment
would
require
placing
the
cap
over
the
rooting
area
which,
according
to
the
certified
arborist
we
consulted,
would
be
likely
to
be
fatal
to
the
tree
so
either
way.
It
unfortunately,
is
not
possible
to
save
the
tree
and
next
slide.
H
Kevin,
my
name
is
rob
smith
singer.
I
was
the
lead
investigator
for
ecological
services
in
the
production
of
the
natural
heritage,
environmental
impact
assessment
or
eia
of
the
tannery
development
project.
This
work
was
guided
by
the
city
of
kingston
official
plan.
It
is
based
on
methodologies
that
primarily
come
from
the
ministry
of
natural
resources
and
this
later
reorganization
ministry
of
national
sources
and
forestry.
H
Next
slide,
please,
the
site
has
a
greater
than
100
year
history
of
significant
abuse
and
is
currently
dominated
by
non-native
and
invasive
species.
This
dominant
will
not
change
if
the
site
is
left
alone.
This
is
exactly
the
current
situation
in
the
top
image.
We
see
a
dense
stand
of
garlic,
the
invasive
non-native,
garlic
mustard,
covering
the
ground
cover
over
top
by
a
canopy
of
the
invasive
manitoba
maple.
This
combination
plants
limits
biodiversity
on
the
site
in
the
bottom
image.
H
H
Not
only
was
there
a
lack
of
amphibian
use
in
the
highly
contaminated
areas
of
the
two
wetland
cells
north
of
the
tannery
site,
but
insect
use
was
also
very
low.
Extreme
contamination
sediments
is
likely
a
significant
factor,
especially
for
species
that
need
to
burrow
into
the
sediments
or
to
overwinter,
including
frogs
turtles
and
insects.
H
Another
significant
factor
is
that
211
cells
are
almost
entirely
composed
of
an
invasive
non-native,
cattail
species
that
has
caused
considerable
reduction
in
biodiversity
of
coastal
wetlands.
In
the
saint
river
and
the
great
lakes,
I
supervise
the
evaluation
of
the
wetland
that
extends
from
kingston
mills
to
the
lasalle
causeway
that
confirmed
provincial
status.
F
F
Contaminated
wetland
is
to
be
remediated
will
also
be
compensated
at
a
one-to-one
ratio
through
the
creation
of
new
coastal
wetlands
off-site.
So
approximately
2.4
hectares
of
new
coastal
wetlands
would
be
created
elsewhere
through
an
approval
process
administered
by
the
cataract
way
conservation
authority
next
slide.
Please.
I
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
bring
three
perspectives
to
the
table.
One
is
a
engineer.
One
is
a
coach
and
one
is
a
developer.
I
was
the
original
consulting
engineer
on
this
site
for
the
original
developer
in
1984,
and
that
picture
shows
the
site
that
we
cleaned
up
with
an
environmental
certificate
of
approval
from
the
ministry
of
the
environment.
I
I
supervised
the
demolition
of
the
smelter
and
it
was
deposited
into
cells
on
site.
Go
to
the
next
slide
as
a
coach.
I've
spent
250
hours
a
year
on
that
water
there
for
45
years.
So
I
think
I
know
a
little
bit
about
the
inner
harbor
and
you
can
see
the
approval
that
we
got
from
city
council
in
1984,
the
zoning
for
townhouses
and
for
apartments
and
on
the
left
we
received
approval
and
we
entered
into
a
subdivision
agreement
with
the
city
to
in
1985
to
build
99
townhouse
units
there.
I
I
I
I
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
through
you
for
those
who
are
joining
us
this
evening.
Please
note:
we
do
rely
on
the
raise
hand
function
in
order
for
you
to
be
able
to
participate
tonight.
This
can
be
located
at
the
bottom
of
your
screen
when
you
move
the
mouse
over
your
zoom
window.
If
you
are
participating
on
your
computer,
should
you
be
joining
us
by
phone?
A
And
while
they
do
that,
I
might
add
one
more
piece
of
process
context,
which
is
we'll
hear
from
seven
to
eight
individuals
at
a
time.
And
then
we
will
turn
over
to
the
applicant
or
perhaps
city
staff
for
the
opportunity
to
answer
any
questions
that
have
been
raised
or
comment
on
any
of
the
comments
and
we'll
continue
in
that
cycle.
As
long
as
we
need
to
to
ensure
that
everyone's
hurt.
Because
that's
why
we're
here
tonight
as
a
public
meeting
after
that
we'll
go
to
committee.
J
Hello,
it's
just
len
marcotte,
I'm
at
132
stephen
street.
Do
you
need
any
more
information?
Okay,
I
didn't
know
that
I
would
be
asked
to
speak.
I
was
basically
just
wanting
to
be
a
spectator.
I
did
send
in
a
letter
to
the
committee,
so
I
will
just
pass
it
on
to
to
someone
else
who
wanted
to
speak.
Thank
you.
A
A
D
K
K
I'm
sorry
22
balmoral
court,
okay,
the
first
one
is
the
the
safety
of
the
people,
I'm
very
very
concerned
about
the
contaminated
site
with
you
know
the
most
seriously
contaminated
site
in
all
of
kingston
and
because
of
that
also.
My
second
point
is
linked
with
the
contamination,
the
possibility
of
contamination
being
disturbed
and
possibly
leaching
into
the
water,
the
the
inner
harbor.
K
I
would
like
to
start
by
talking
sharing
with
you
some
recent
information
I
got
from
a
person
called
seth.
Logan,
he's
an
engineer,
president
of
coastal
engineering.
He
wants
to
make
clear
that
what
he
says
he
has
not
seen
the
tannery
site.
This
is
general
information
about
coastal,
actually
global
warming.
Okay.
So
I'm
just
going
to
read
his
points
here.
K
Section
3.1.3
of
the
2020
provincial
policy
statement
states
that
planning
authorities
shall
prepare
for
the
impacts
of
a
changing
climate
that
may
increase
the
risk
associated
with
natural
hazards.
So,
although
climate
change
is
not
included
in
provincial
flood
hazard
mapping,
yet
it
likely
will
be
near
the
future.
There
is
certainly
a
policy
requirement
from
a
planning
perspective
that
it
should
be
considered
next
part
of
his
letter.
K
K
Vegetation
and
well-developed
root
systems
are
remarkably
efficient
at
medicating
erosion.
For
these
reasons,
preserving
coastal
and
reptilian
vegetation
is
a
great
way
to
maintain
the
natural
resilience
of
shorelines
with
respect
to
the
100
year.
Flood
excuse
me
100
year,
flood
level
that
was
provided
to
you
by
the
crca.
K
K
K
We
know
that
the
100
year
static
lake
levels
on
all
four
canadian
great
lakes
have
increased
since
the
1980s.
Moreover,
recent
research
not
yet
published
by
environmental
and
climate
change.
Canada
has
suggested
that
all
great
lakes
will
experience
a
greater
range
in
lake
levels
in
the
future
as
a
result
of
climate
change,
for
example,
higher
higher
highs
and
lower
lows.
K
K
A
K
K
L
M
Hi
guys
it's
joe
atkinson
1518
sierra
kingston,
guys
thanks
for
letting
me
speak,
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
we're
looking
at
here
is.
This
isn't
really
a
park
that
we're
trying
to
protect
we're
trying
to
create
more
density,
to
john's
point,
mr
armitage,
to
slow
down
the
urban
sprawl
so
as
we're
trying
to
protect
our
lands.
I
think
by
taking
this
project
on
is
doing
just
that.
M
Come
in
and
put
forth
this
kind
of
effort
and
money
to
turn
this
property
around.
There
is
a
that
comment
with
joan
which
talks
about
the
high
water
levels,
which
is
really
interesting,
because
you
know
if
the
water
levels
do
get
higher,
our
wetlands
are
going
to
become
and
our
waterways
are
going
to
become
even
more
contaminated.
M
If
that
happens,
so
I
think
it's
in
our
best
interest
to
make
sure
that
we
have
this
land
cleaned
up
before
something
like
that
even
happens,
not
to
mention
the
jobs
that
it's
going
to
create
within
the
city.
The
location
is
perfect,
being
as
close
to
the
downtown
core
as
it
is.
You
know
again
talking
about
climate,
more
public
transportation
use
less
vehicles
running
the
roads.
A
N
Thanks
so
much
can
you
hear
me
great?
My
name
is
rachel
plotkin,
I'm
speaking
from
the
david
suzuki
foundation.
My
address
is
179
john
street
in
toronto,
and
I
I
had
something
prepared
about
the
importance
of
wetlands,
but
I'm
totally
scrapping
it.
Instead,
following
on
counselor
kylie's
introduction,
I
would
like
to
address
kind
of
the
landscape
of
the
discourse.
Here.
I've
been
an
environmentalist
for
20
years,
a
bit
more,
even
now,
21
and
everything
I
say
I
do
say
respectfully.
N
I
think
the
the
point
about
baselines
is
that
there's
always
the
ability
to
greenwash
something
and
say
that
it's
good
for
the
environment,
because
it's
better
than
something
else
so
one
example
is
that
oil
and
gas
producers
say
that
their
actions
are
green
compared
to
burning
of
coal.
But
if
you're,
starting
at
the
baseline
of
either
leaving
the
wetland
as
it
is
or
remediating
the
wetland,
then
all
of
those
claims
prove
false.
Another
example
is
that
wood,
construction,
that
of
building
things
out
of
wood,
is
environmentally
sound.
N
One
thing
I've
worked
on
caribou
a
lot,
and
one
thing
that
happens
is
that
there's
often
perverse
incentives,
which
is
that
we
mess
something
up
so
badly
that
we
then
use
it
as
an
excuse
to
continue
degrading
the
ecological
integrity
of
an
area.
So,
for
example,
a
caribou
population
gets
wiped
out,
there's
only
12,
caribou
left
and
then
people
say
well.
This
isn't
worth
spending
money
on
saving.
We
might
as
well
go
ahead
and
develop
the
rest,
and
I
think
that
that's
what's
happening
here.
N
The
fact
that
we
have
degraded
the
wetland
and
that
has
been
polluted
shouldn't
be
a
green
light
to
continue
to
convert
it
to
other
uses.
It
should
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
take
our
responsibility
as
the
humans
that
have
messed
it
up
to
make
commitments
to
remediate
it,
and
one
of
the
things
that
the
presentation
did
today
was
show
that
it
there
are
possible
means
for
remediating
the
wetland.
N
I
want
to
be
really
clear
that
this
any
type
of
development
and
conversion
of
a
natural
area,
even
if
it's
polluted
to
buildings,
is
not
fighting
climate
change.
It
is
not
advancing
the
protection
of
biological
diversity
and
anything
that
it
claims
that
it
is,
is
a
form
of
greenwashing.
So
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
a
more
honest
conversation
about
what
the
baselines
are
and
then
the
community
can
make
a
decision.
But
again
I
advocate
that
we
have
so
degraded
southern
ontario.
N
There
are
so
many
species
that
are
at
risk,
we're
in
the
middle
of
a
biodiversity
crisis
and
a
climate
crisis,
and
the
onus
is
on
us
to
maintain
the
nature
that
we
have
and
if
we've
already
degraded
it,
then
to
restore
it
instead
of
using
its
degraded
condition
as
an
excuse
to
convert
it
to
non-ecological
uses.
Thank
you.
A
O
A
B
A
O
Okay,
perfect
so
good
evening,
council
and
attendees.
My
name
is
sarah
and,
like
I
said,
I'm
on
245
alfred.
So
tonight
I
just
wanted
to
speak
on
behalf
of
kingston
climate
action
as
well
as
no
clutch.
No
clear
cuts,
kingston
just
to
remind
the
council
of
the
importance
of
preserving
nature
here
and
what
that
means
during
the
climate
crisis,
so
just
to
expand
on
rachel's
point.
O
As
we
know,
trees
absorb
carbon
dioxide
while
replenishing
atmosphere
with
oxygen
and
they
protect
wildlife,
among
other
things,
holding
critical
significance
to
the
environment
and
dangerous,
clear
cutting
leads
to
disturbed
oils.
Sorry,
soils,
wetlands
and
the
release
of
their
vast
carbon
stores
back
into
the
environment.
O
O
I
just
want
to
mention
a
recent
study
that
was
published
in
the
proceedings
of
the
national
academy
of
science
found
in
nature
conservation.
There's
very
found
that
nature
conservation
could
provide
over
one-third
of
emissions
reductions
needed
to
help
keep
the
average
global
climate
temperature
from
increasing
by
two
degrees.
So,
although
this
study
obviously
represents
a
much
larger
scale,
kingston
should
lead
by
example,
and
conserve
what
greenery
and
wildlife
are
left
currently
and
I'd
like
to
pass
it
on
to
my
counterpart,
abby.
P
P
We
acknowledge
that
this
wetland
requires
remediation
of
contaminants
left
behind
from
the
t,
the
tannery,
in
addition
to
addressing
other
intersectional
issues,
but
this
is
not
an
excuse
to
blanket.
The
natural
landscape
in
concrete
wetlands
are
crucial
for
mitigating
climate
change,
as
they
are
known
to
be
the
most
important
terrestrial
carbon
stocks
globally.
P
Wetlands
are
also
recognized
for
their
significant
role
in
the
hydrologic
cycle,
of
which
healthy
water
systems
are
essential
for
environmental
and
human
health,
but
a
2022
wetland
analysis
by
authors,
penn,
founded
vaz,
found
that
68
of
wetlands
in
ontario
have
already
been
lost
since
european
arrival.
So
this
further
emphasis
emphasizes
the
significance
of
protecting
the
remaining
32
of
what
lands
in
ontario.
P
The
kingston
climate
leadership
plan
also
aims
to
reach
carbon
neutrality
by
2040
with
a
15
emission
reduction.
By
the
end
of
this
year,
yet
many
trees
have
already
been
removed
at
the
intersection
of
sydnum,
road
and
princess
street.
Just
recently,
and
now
you
want
to
remove
more
trees,
natural
shoreline
and
wetlands,
how
can
we
expect
to
achieve
the
city's
climate
goals
if
we
keep
moving
backwards,
killing
nature
or
ecocide
is
a
leading
cause
of
the
climate
crisis
worldwide
and
must
be
put
to
an
end
as
humans.
Q
Hi,
I'm
joanna
I'm
at
272,
eunice
drive.
I
came
out
to
speak
tonight
because
I'm
also
in
agreement
with
some
of
those
who
have
spoken
before
me
about
the
importance
of
preserving
natural
ecosystem
and
established
canopy
in
the
city
of
kingston.
We
recently
lost
about
an
acre
or
two
acres
of
established
forests
that
backed
up
onto
our
property
and
the
houses
along
eunice
drive,
and
I
did
prepare
a
letter
which
is
deeply
personal
and
I
I
won't
go
into
the
details
of
it.
Q
Q
I
having
lived
on
a
wooded
area
for
the
last
few
years.
I
have
a
two-year-old
who
can
identify
the
call
of
woodpeckers
and
geese
and
all
sorts
of
birds,
and
I
worry
that
if
we
continue
to
push
nature
away
from
the
places
we
live
in,
the
city
of
kingston,
our
children
and
grandchildren
won't
have
that
same
opportunity
to
connect
to
the
land,
and
I
think
they
will
struggle
to
see
the
value
in
stewardship
and
the
climate
change
the
climate
action
plans,
rather
that
we
are
championing
and
that
the
city
of
kingston
is
behind.
Q
It's
easier
to
conserve
wetland
and
urban
forests
than
to
regrow
it.
Forest
regeneration
and
that
of
of
wetlands
as
well
can
take
decades.
30,
40
years
may
maybe
longer
at
which
point
none
of
us
will
be
in
the
position
of
opportunity
that
we
have
today.
We
hope
that
city
council,
this
planning
committee,
will
choose
to
leave
a
legacy
that
reaches
into
the
future
by
changing
biola
to
conserve
these
natural
habitats,
and
we
also
would
like
folks
that
live
on
private
lands
to
have
incentives
to
conserve.
Q
Why
not?
I
wholeheartedly
agree
that
housing
is
a
top
priority
for
the
city
of
kingston
but
affordable
housing,
especially
please
don't
destroy
the
mature
canopy
that
we
have
to
create
more
unaffordable
housing
help
us
innovate
our
development
related
bylaws
to
embed
more
conservation.
Please
we
want
to
move
away
from
the
creation
of
more
harsh,
barren
cement
states.
Q
A
Thank
you
very
much,
miss
rivera,
and
you
mentioned
at
the
beginning,
your
talk
that
you
have
a
letter
so
yourself
and
anyone
in
the
same
boat.
Please
feel
free
if
you
would
like
that
as
a
part
of
official
correspondence
to
send
it
to
miss
faucet
who
you've
seen
the
clerk,
the
chief
or
the
senior
planner
mr
wicca,
or
the
director
of
planning
mr
park
and
their
email
addresses,
are
their
last
name.
A
First
initial
and
last
name,
I
should
say
and
they're
available
online
in
the
agenda
and
they
will
be
posted
on
the
screen
later
tonight
as
well.
So
lots
of
opportunity
to
have
that
submitted.
Should
you
wish
all
right
from
here?
We
will
look
to
the
applicant
to
respond
to
any
of
the
questions
or
comments
raised
and
then
set
a
staff
as
well.
I
see
mr
barr
actually
popping
up
right
now,
mr
barr,
over
to
you,
and
I
think
you
can
kind
of
direct
who
will
take
what.
R
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
we
do
have
a
number
of
city
staff
here
as
well
to
answer
questions
tonight.
Should
that
be
required,
we
are
going
to
give
the
applicants
the
ability
to
respond
first
to
each
of
these
question
periods,
and
then
staff
can
provide
supplementary
information.
Should
it
be
required
so
I'll
hand
it
over
to
patrick
inc
and
the
representatives
first.
G
G
There's
contaminated
soil
close
to
the
surface,
there's
disturbances
here
and
there
around
the
property,
and
we
have
evidence
right
now
that
contamination
is
is
running
off
the
site
into
the
river.
That
slide,
I
showed
showing
the
sediment
contamination
in
the
river
is
the
evidence
that
that's
been
going
on
for
for
many
years,
so
the
current
status
of
the
site,
including
the
contaminated
sediment,
the
contaminated
soil,
poses
a
a
risk,
an
unacceptable
risk,
in
my
view,
as
is
so
once
the
site's
developed.
G
As
I
pointed
out,
there
will
be
a
cap.
There
will
be
encapsulation,
there
will
be
a
measures
that
will
be
long
term
that
will
be
managed
over
a
period
of
many
years
to
make
sure
that
cap
stays
in
good
condition
and
so
on.
So
the
contamination
is
going
to
be
managed
much
in
a
much
more
controlled
and
and
and
also
a
highly
peer-reviewed
manner.
F
Thanks
kevin,
so
I'll
answer
a
few
of
the
others
and
I'll
answer
just
I
think
in
themes
just
the
interest
of
time.
So
there
are
several
speakers
who
spoke
to
concerns
or
spoke
to
support
for
intensification,
but
concern
that
I
guess
the
cost
of
intensification
here
being
the
loss
of
habitat
or
loss
of
the
natural
heritage
on
the
site
is
outweighs,
I
guess
the
benefits
of
intensification
here.
F
I
guess
in
response
to
that,
I
think
there
are
limited
areas
limited
sites
within
the
city
for
intensification
and
infill.
Some
of
them
are,
you
know,
old
industrial
sites
that
are
don't
have
a
lot
of
education
on
them
yet,
but
many
of
them
are
sites
that
have
never
been
developed
or
in
a
case
like
this
sites
that
were
heavily
used
for
a
number
of
years
and
are
now
contaminated
as
a
result,
and
they
have
not
been
redeveloped
since,
and
there
has
been
some
regrowth
of
trees
and
vegetation.
S
F
F
So
while
there
is
wetland
loss,
the
loss
of
wetland
prevents
contamination
of
the
rest
of
the
wetlands
as
well
as
the
inner
harbor,
and
that
wetland
is
also
replaced
with
healthy
wetlands
in
a
coastal
location
comparable
to
this.
It
also
redevelops
a
site
that
is,
although
it's
forested,
it's
a
contaminated
infill
site.
All
the
infill
sites,
or
not
many
of
the
infill
sites
in
the
city
that
do
get
redeveloped
are
contaminated.
So
choosing
a
contaminated
infill
site
over
an
uncontaminated
infill
site
would
seemingly
be
a
preferred
approach.
F
Then
the
alternative.
So
I
think
that's
the
choice.
The
choice
mr
polly's
face
when,
when
looking
for
intensification
when
choosing
not
to
sprawl-
and
even
you
know
when
you
sprawl
and
avoid
sites,
perhaps
forested
sites,
you're
consuming
farmland,
you're
consuming
forested
areas,
even
as
you
develop
outwards
so
to
accommodate
housing,
there's
not
always
an
opportunity,
I
think,
to
avoid
areas
of
natural
heritage,
and
so
the
goal
should
be
to
to
try
to
choose
sites
that
have
the
greatest
benefit
in
this
particular
location.
F
Just
one
more
thing,
I
guess,
with
respect
to
wave
action
and
flood
levels,
we
did
review
that
with
the
conservation
authority
and
looked
at
in
the
context
of
their
updated
flood
elevation
mapping.
Would
that
be
an
issue
for
the
site
in
terms
of
future
higher
water
levels
of
lake
ontario
and
we're
able
to
confirm
that
the
site
can
be
appropriately
elevated
or
will
be
appropriately
elevated
to
avoid
hazards
flood
hazards
even
with
higher
water
levels
in
the
future?
R
T
Thank
you
through
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
james.
My
name
is
michael
dakin,
I'm
the
resource
planner
with
cataractly
conservation.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
say
I'm
very
happy
that
natural
hazards
are
on
the
public
consciousness
right
right
now.
It
is
certainly
timely
matter
with
that
said.
Cataract
conservation
is
the
lead
for
natural
hazards,
review
and
natural
hazards,
management
and
avoidance
in
the
province
of
ontario,
in
this
particular
case
in
the
city
of
kingston,
and
we
have
assessed
natural
hazards,
risk
flooding
and
erosion
at
this
site
extensively.
T
Inevitably,
all
all
waterfront
sites
are
subject
to
some
level
of
risk.
The
risk
at
this
site
can
be
managed
and
the
development,
as
proposed
has
been
demonstrated
to
be
sufficiently
protected
from
those
risks,
including
factors
for
climate
change,
which
we
have
considered
so
again.
Just
to
reiterate
that
we're
pleased
this
is
part
of
the
discussion,
but
at
the
same
time
we
we
hope
it
doesn't
become
an
unnecessary
distraction
knowing
that
the
the
site
and
the
development
specifically
can
be
protected
from
those
hazards.
T
A
R
U
It
doesn't
matter
how
small
a
parcel
of
land
it
is
that
we're
talking
about
whether
it's
one
acre
or
a
hundred
acres
rezoning
a
wetland
is
the
wrong
move
in
this
case,
and
I'm
here
not
only
to
address
the
planning
committee,
but
also
all
of
the
kingston
residents
who
are
in
attendance
tonight
and
to
the
residents
of
kingston.
I
appreciate
that
so
many
of
you
have
made
the
time
to
speak
at
this
meeting
and
just
to
be
in
attendance
or
to
send
emails,
voicing
your
concerns,
and
I
think
that
this
has
an
effect.
U
U
People
in
kingston
are
building
and
strengthening
relationships
with
groups
across
the
province
who
have
fought
similar,
unwanted
developments,
and
we
are
learning
from
them
because
real
people
who
live
in
this
neighborhood
and
who
don't
have
the
luxury
of
profiting
off
of
patrice
development,
don't
want
this
development
here
we
don't
want
to
be
priced
out
of
the
neighborhood
and
we
don't
want
a
wetland
destroyed
and
regardless
of
what
the
city
decides,
we
will
resist
this
development
so
to
the
planning
committee.
I
caution
you
not
to
overestimate
your
power
in
the
situation.
U
Yes,
I
recognize
that
the
decisions
you
make
about
patrice
proposal
have
real
effects
and,
yes,
you
are
in
a
privileged
position
to
make
those
decisions
on
behalf
of
other
people,
but
even
if
the
majority
of
you
opt
for
this
development
to
go
forward,
residents
will
ultimately
have
the
last
word.
So
my
question,
for
you
would
be
how
much
time
and
resources
do
you
want
to
waste
deliberating
on
a
project
that
will
ultimately
not
go
through,
because
residents
will
stop
it
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say.
V
I
want
to
speak
to
something
that
hasn't
come
up
yet,
which
is
a
crucial
sentence
from
the
staff
report
quote.
The
application
is
also
proposing
to
adjust
the
extent
of
official
plan
overlays
for
the
provincially,
significant
wetland
and
riparian
corridor.
Significant,
would
land
a
natural
hazard
on
the
lands
proposed
for
development.
V
The
obvious
question
is:
why
would
we
as
a
city
support
that
these
designations
exist
for
environmental
protection?
What's
the
point
of
setting
these
aside
areas
aside
for
special
protection,
if
we
set
aside
the
rules
when
we
get
asked
so
when
I
ask
that
question,
what
I
am
told
is
that
this
developer
will
clean
up
or
remediate
a
toxic
ecosystem,
and
indeed
we've
heard
that
tonight
on
its
face.
This
is
compelling
we
all
want.
You
know
cleaner
ecosystems.
V
Therefore,
the
assumption
we
are
making
in
even
considering
setting
aside
these
provincial
and
local
regulations
is
that
what
the
applicant
will
do
on
this
site
will
be
in
total,
ecologically
beneficial,
or
else
there
can
be
no
reason
to
make
these
adjustments
to
the
rules.
After
all,
it
would
be
ridiculous
to
override
designated
environmentally
protected
areas
for
reasons
that
do
not
serve
the
environment,
it
would
be
a
failure
of
planning
if
we
examine
this
assumption,
is
it
proven
the
documents
on
daesh
from
transport,
canada
and
parks.
V
Canada
have
raised
serious
doubts
that
it
has
been
proven.
Our
conservation
authority
and
its
letters
that
are
available
on
dash
has
raised
serious
doubts
about
whether
this
has
been
proven
community
groups,
some
of
which
I
am
a
member
of
some
of
which
I
am
not,
and
some
of
which
are
completely
new
to
me
until
their
mailings
landed
in
my
mailbox.
This
week
have
raised
serious
doses
to
whether
this
has
been
proven.
V
What
is
the
justification
for
building
on
this
wetland
by
the
applicant's
own
plan?
Only
half
of
it
can
be
remediated
or
will
be
the
fact
that
the
compensatory
wetland
cannot
be
the
remaining
half
of
the
wetland,
but
would
have
to
be
many
kilometers
away.
Raises
serious
doubts
in
my
mind
about
one
whether
the
applicant's
proposed
remediation
is
viable
on
its
face
and
two,
whether
it
will
produce
ecological
benefits
anywhere
in
balance
with
the
habitat
and
ecosystem
destruction
upon
which
the
application
depends.
V
We
are
also
living
through
a
global
biodiversity
crisis.
Is
it
good
planning
to
destroy
the
habitat
of
endangered
species
to
build
apartments?
What
can
be
planted
on
the
site
after
the
proposed
clear
cut?
Is
it
trees,
as
local
tree
experts
have
told
me,
or
is
it
only
bushes
and
shrubs
in
the
words
of
the
applicant?
We
don't
know
and
answering
this
is
crucial
to
assess
the
impact
that
the
proposed
development
will
have
on
our
tree,
canopy
climate
resilience
and
ecology.
V
The
most
reckless
assumption
that
I
see
being
made
about
this
site
and
this
proposal,
the
one
that
troubles
me
the
most
is
that
this
is
a
valueless
ecosystem
whose
only
relevant
feature
is
its
contamination
and
we
can
destroy
it
without
loss.
The
history
of
ecological
irresponsibility
is
defined
by
people
making
this
assumption
when
the
applicants
were
kind
enough
to
tour
me
and
others
through
the
site.
I
was
told
that
the
vibrant
biodiversity
I
saw
were
low
value
species
and
it
was
not
a
problem
to
remove
them
all.
V
I
asked
the
project's
ecologist
about
one
other
way
to
assess
their
value.
Just
one
carbon
sequestration,
and
I
was
told
that
that
wasn't
on
his
checklist
and
that's
the
problem
in
a
nutshell,
we
need
to
take
much
more
time
answer
many
more
questions
and
view
this
proposal
with
a
fuller
ecological
lens.
V
A
full
ecological
cost
benefit
analysis
of
whether
the
adjustments
the
developer
is
seeking
are
right
and
beneficial,
and
whether
the
remediation
and
development
would
produce
net
ecological
benefits
has
not
been
conducted.
A
species
inventory
has
not
been
conducted,
a
hydrogeological
analysis
of
how
groundwater
flows
in
the
area
impact
the
feasibility
of
the
plants
has
not
yet
been
conducted.
V
So
we
need
a
much
bigger
checklist
and
we
need
to
take
time
answering
all
of
these
questions
and
the
other
questions
people
are
raising
before
proceeding.
I
believe-
and
I
believe
you
do
too.
The
purpose
of
good
planning
is
to
act
prudently
for
the
future.
There
is
nothing
to
be
gained,
despite
the
comments
that
we
hear,
that
no
other
developer
would
be
willing
to
do
us
the
favor
of
proceeding
right
now.
This
minute
there
is
90
seconds
please,
there
is
nothing
to
be
gained
by
rushing
forward
with
this
application
and
the
permissions
and
exemptions
requested.
V
W
Thank
you
for
that
slide
and
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
building
kingston's
future
incorporated
an
ontario
incorporated
not-for-profit
corporation,
whose
objects
include
promoting
the
value
of
the
city
of
kingston's,
stated
goal
of
being
a
smart
and
livable
city
by
promoting
human
scale,
streetscapes
access
to
the
waterfront,
active
transportation
and
resilience
tonight.
My
comments
are
for
the
members
of
the
planning
committee,
but
I
am
so
pleased
to
see
so
many
people
showing
up
more
nazi
but
get
some
sense
that
there
are
many
people
out
there
who
are
so
concerned
about
this
project.
W
I
am
deeply
concerned
about
the
city's
proceeding,
along
with
my
colleagues
at
building
kingston's
future
with
the
proposal
for
the
development
of
the
tannery
lands
based
on
the
information
currently
available.
My
comments
reflect
mr
molloy's
comments
and
I
will
play
pointing
to
the
the
reports
that
he
was
referencing
and
I
will
be
taking
quotes
out
of
it.
I
will
not
read
them
on
the
slides.
W
I
will
allow
you
to
do
that
and
in
this
in
hoping
to
save
time,
please
don't
be
swayed
members
of
the
planning
committee
by
the
volumes
of
documents
or
some
supportive
letters
that
cheer
on
the
development
you
have
a
responsibility
to
be
sure
you
are
making
the
best
decision
based
on
the
best
available
information.
There
are
still
too
many
unanswered
questions,
I'm
going
to
quote
from
three
government
and
agency
letters
recently
submitted
to
the
city
about
this
proposed
development.
Next
slide,
please.
The
first
is
from
transport
canada
dated
march
11
2022.
W
W
Canada
next
slide,
please
from
parks,
canada
march
8th
2022,
that
the
remediation
plan
revised
to
ensure
that
maturity
growth
can
be
achievable
and
support,
in
particular
within
the
waterfront,
to
help
that
it
is
that
that
is
recommended
by
parks,
canada
and
if
we
go
on
as
presently
proposed
parks,
canada
would
not
support
the
remedial
approach
for
its
lands.
Next
slide.
Please.
W
That
there
should
be
critical
consideration
in
these
areas
designed,
so
they
provide
an
opportunity
for
long-term
ecological
function
and
necessary
protection
of
the
adjacent
wetland
and
river
to
the
members
of
the
committee.
Please
listen
to
these
expert
colleagues.
They
have
doubts.
They
want
more
information
and
collaboration.
W
They
are
not
yet
satisfied
as
to
the
feasibility
of
the
current
remediation
and
development
proposal.
Please
remember
your
duty
to
the
residents
of
kingston
and
to
the
environment.
Please
remember
your
duty
to
the
cataract
river,
the
greater
cataractry
marsh
and
to
the
rideau
canal,
national
historic
site
and
unesco
world
heritage
site.
W
You
need
to
understand
fully
the
consequences
of
this
proposed
development
before
you
make
any
decisions
defer
planning
approvals
until
you
have
the
necessary
answers,
including
about
the
remediation
plans,
the
shoreline
and
wetland
treatment,
the
areas
the
city
is
being
asked
to
take
over
and
the
approach
of
covering
almost
the
whole
site
with
hard
surfaces,
buildings,
parking
garages,
roads
and
I
leave
you
with
a
question:
are
you
confident
you
have
received
sufficient
and
credible
answers
to
all
your
questions?
Are
you
confident?
W
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
Y
I
can't
okay,
that's
good
good
evening.
My
name
is
samantha
king.
I
am
speaking
on
behalf
of
riverfirst
ygk.
I
live
at
738,
u
market
lane
river
first.
Is
a
community
group
formed
in
april
2021
in
response
to
transport
canada's
proposed
remediation
project
for
kingston's
inner
harbour
river?
First
ygk's
focus
is
on
protecting
the
long-term
health
of
the
katarakui
river.
Y
Y
As
we
noted
in
our
submission
to
planning
committee
at
the
second
public
meeting
in
august
2020,
we
are
also
seeking
reassurance
that
the
city's
position
is
adequately
protected.
With
regard
to
this
development,
we
seek
reassurance
that
the
remediation
work
supported
by
taxpayer
dollars,
will
be
successfully
completed
and
monitored.
Thank
you.
A
S
A
Borges
I'm
gonna
have
to
stop
you
there.
Perhaps
you
think
that's
a
relevant
question,
but
we're
concerned
with
planning
matters
and
ask
you
to
stick
to
that.
Please.
This
is
about
planning,
I'm
not
interested
in
a
discussion.
I'll
just
be
a
bit
more
clear.
Then
you
need
to
talk
about
the
land
and
how
it'll
be
used
and
leave
it
at
that.
Thank
you.
Z
Z
I
would
I
was
wondering
if
this
option
could
be
explored
before
considering
clear,
cutting
a
forest,
then
on
the
maps
you
showed
that
the
patch
redevelopment
folks
showed
us
tonight
of
the
contamination
of
the
site.
One
of
the
maps
showed
contaminants
with
different
colors.
It
didn't
have
a
scale
to
the
map
and
I
couldn't
see
the
title
of
the
map.
Z
Green
meant.
No
contaminants
yellow
meant
one
times
to
10
times,
and
then
you
go
all
the
way
up
to
the
really
deep
burgundy,
and
that
was
a
thousand
times
to
1
600
times
on
that
map
about
one-sixth
of
the
whole
area
is
yellow
and
in
that
yellow,
there's
a
big
chunk
of
green,
and
that
is
starting
at
the
river
great
cataract
river
side
and
going
westwards.
Z
That
is
quite
a
large
section,
and
I
wonder
if
it
needs
to
be
remediated
at
all
and
whether
those
trees
need
to
be
clear-cut
in
that
section
and
whether
that
might
be
at
least
one
giant
section.
That
really
ought
to
be.
We
ought
to
leave
nature
as
it
is
and
let
the
trees
do
their
phytoremediation
there.
Z
Z
Another
one
should
be
planted,
but
not
just
planted
in
a
row
like
a
plantation
planting.
Maybe
it
could
be.
You
know
maybe
under
the
direction
of
someone
like
joyce
austin,
if
she
wouldn't
mind
because
she's
a
master
gardener
using
the
you
know,
akiro
my
milwaukee
method,
using
a
diversity
of
local
species,
intensive
planting
that
can
make
an
urban
forest
grow
quite
quickly
anyway.
That's
just
a
thought
I
wanted
to
mention,
and
then
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
speak
to
briefly
was
energy.
Z
This
really
high.
This
design
will
really
increase
the
fossil
fuel
being
burned
downtown
with
1500
or
more
cars
in
that
area,
the
drivers
will
all
have
to
drive
out
for
their
groceries
and
go
to
work
daily
and
intensifying
this
little
area
from
zero
people
to
maybe
I'm
just
going
to
estimate
3
000
people-
that's
just
sort
of
you
know,
estimating
two
people
per
unit.
Z
Z
Thank
you
if
the
development
were
just
a
quarter
or
a
third
of
its
size.
Thank
you.
Finally,
if
that
shoreline
is
to
be
the
very
last
edge
of
the
shoreline,
I
did
have
a
question
about
why
it
would
be
given
to
you
know
to
the
rowing
club-
and
I
thought
perhaps
maybe
it
ought
to
be
given
to
someone
like
crca,
who
would
protect
the
biodiversity
okay.
Thank
you.
Z
A
A
AA
AA
AA
As
many
of
you
know,
the
effort
to
protect
turtles
in
inner
harbor
has
been
the
work
of
many
dedicated
volunteers,
as
well
as
staff
students
and
partners.
So
for
this
information
I
draw
on
my
formal
research,
but
also
on
my
personal
observations
and
those
of
the
many
many
people
who
have
contributed
citing
reports
to
our
programs.
AA
So
here
is
just
a
list
of
facts
followed
by
a
question
as
it
relates
to
turtles
and
the
tannery
property.
So,
as
other
people
mentioned,
the
planet
is
facing
a
biodiversity
crisis,
and
this
is
something
very
important
to
keep
in
mind
here
in
inner
harbor.
We
know
that
we
have
four
species
of
turtles
using
the
cataract
way.
River
and
nesting
on
the
shorelines,
and
all
four
of
these
species
are
at
risk
of
extinction.
AA
The
shoreline
of
the
property
is
a
well-known
basking
site.
We've
all
seen
the
photos
with
you
know
up
to
100
map
turtles
basking
on
the
logs
off
the
shore
in
the
spring,
but
I
also
want
to
highlight
that
that
is
not
the
only
turtle
use
of
this
area.
The
wetlands
in
and
adjacent
to
the
property
are
very
likely
used
by
by
at
least
the
snapping
turtles
and
painted
turtles.
Both
of
these
species
have
been
seen
immediately
adjacent
to
the
site,
especially
along
the
kmp,
where
people
are
likely
to
run
into
them.
AA
Snapping
turtles
have
been
nesting,
there
have
been
seen
nesting
there,
many
many
times
over
the
five
years
that
I
have
studied
them
last
spring.
I
was
out
for
a
jog
and
saw
a
little
painted
turtle
right
on
the
trail,
a
little
hatchling,
so
we
know
that
they
are
using.
That
area
cannot
say
for
sure
that
they
nest
on
the
tannery
property.
AA
Where
there's
more
open
areas,
it
seems
very
likely-
and
I
can
say
with
certainty
that
they
do
cross
the
tannery
property
to
get
to
sites.
The
turtles
seem
to
return
to
the
same
sites
each
year
to
nest.
It's
also
important
to
note,
with
turtle
biology
for
map
and
painted
turtles.
Their
nests
may
be
active
for
a
full
year
after
they
were
laid.
So
a
female
turtle
lays
their
eggs
and
then
there
may
be
viable
eggs
and
hatchlings
up
in
that
for
a
full
calendar
year.
AA
An
increase
in
roads
and
traffic
in
this
area
is
likely
to
result
in
increased
turtle
mortality.
Just
by
the
fact
of
all
the
turtles
coming
out
of
the
water.
Looking
for
nesting
sites,
the
more
cars
the
more
roads,
the
more
likely
they
are
to
be
hit,
and
it
takes
decades
sometimes
more
depending
on
the
species
to
replace
an
adult
female
map
turtle
if
she
is
lost
to
the
population.
AA
I
also
think
it's
very
important
that
we
remember
that
we
can't
just
pause
turtles
for
a
few
years
or
several
years,
while
construction
is
ongoing.
Can't
just
ask
them
to
wait.
So
every
year
is
important,
and
I
also
wanted
to
note
that
turtles
in
inner
harbor
are
being
assaulted
on
multiple
fronts.
So
we
can't
just
look
at
it
in
concepts
of
just
this
project.
AA
AA
R
D
G
Yeah
so
I'll
respond
to
some
of
the
things
that
were
brought
up
on
the
environmental
side
of
things.
So
jeremy
asked
about
contaminated
groundwater
and
will
it
continue
to
flow
after
the
development
is
completed,
and
he
said
he
said
that
a
hydrogeological
evaluation
still
needs
to
be
conducted.
Now
I
just
want
to
mention
that
in
the
phase
ii
environmental
site
assessment
that
we
completed,
we
did
do
a
hydrogeological
evaluation.
G
I
don't
anticipate
that
it's
going
to
be
a
problem
in
terms
of
impacts
on
the
river
or
anywhere
else,
but
we
will
be
doing
detailed
modeling
of
that
groundwater
flow,
the
contaminant
flow
in
the
subsurface,
and
we
will
be
looking
at
what
effect
that
would
have
on
the
river
and
that's
going
to
be
in-depth
studies,
so
so
that
answers
that
that
one
somebody,
a
mary,
jane,
brought
up
the
question
of
remediation
of
the
land
through
natural
processes
that
can
work
in
some
situations.
There
is
usually
some
natural
attenuation
that
works
on.
S
G
They
don't
break
down,
they
don't
change
in
any
way
they
can
be
taken
up
by
vegetation,
but
when
that
vegetation
dies,
the
metals
return
to
the
soil,
so
they
really
don't.
They
don't
move
much
they're,
they're,
essentially
locked
in
place
for
the
most
part,
and
so
there
isn't
really
any
opportunity
there
for
natural
remediation
of
the
metals
and,
as
you
will
recall,
the
metals
are
really
the
worst
of
the
contamination
that
we
have
on
this
property.
G
Now
there
was
another
one
on
the
the
the
process
for
treating
chromium
and
jerry
brought
up
the
the
possibility
of
pumping
out
the
groundwater
and
extracting
the
chromium
from
it
and
the
issue
there
is
that
there
is
actually
not
very
much
chromium
in
the
groundwater.
Only
a
very
small
amount.
The
majority
of
the
chromium
is
in
the
soil
and
it's
not
readily
leaching
into
the
groundwater.
G
So
that
and
and
the
other
point
to
be
made
there
is
it's
not
only
chromium.
There
are
many,
many
other
contaminants
of
all
different
types
at
this
site
in
the
soil,
in
the
sediment
in
the
groundwater,
and
even
if
you
could
magically
remove
all
the
chromium
and
have
it
gone,
you
would
still
have
a
lot
of
other
contamination,
lead
hydrocarbons,
polycyclic
aromatic
hydrocarbons,.
G
We've
been
talking
about
timing,
we've
been
talking
about
what
their
plans
are,
and
we've
we've
got
some
agreements
in
principle
to
cooperate
with
them
on
remediation.
It's
early
days.
We
still
don't
have
detailed
plans
on
exactly
what
they're
going
to
do
when
they're
going
to
do
it
exactly
so.
We
just
are
going
to
stay
in
contact
with
them
and
we're
going
to
coordinate
with
them
and
hopefully
be
able
to
to
work
together
on
remediation
so
that
it
it
works
in
concert.
H
H
I
mentioned
this
before
there's
an
epa
calculation
for
this
I
don't
have
the
number
on
the
top
of
my
head.
There
was
something
like
three
to
five
cars
equivalent
per
year
driving
per
year.
For
what
the
patriot
sorry,
the
tannery
woodlands
would
sequester.
So
it's
a
very
small
amount.
Now,
if
we
compare
that
to
the
1500
or,
however
many
units
that
is
going
to
be
on
here,
I'm
sure,
as
everybody
knows,
there's
an
immense
pressure
for
development.
H
So
this
is
covering
farmland,
marginal
farmland,
woodland
shrublands,
so
it's
it's
not
even
a
close
equivalent
in
terms
of
carbon
source.
Frustration
as
well
as
kingston
is,
unfortunately,
largely
dominated
the
sort
of
downtown
areas
by
non-native
species
invasive
species.
When
we
get
into
the
countryside
at
least
we
have
a
far
greater
proportion
of
native
species
and
of
species
that
have
some
reasonable
values.
H
H
Well,
yeah,
just
to
clarify
some
terminology:
the
term
at
risk
was
used
just
hopefully
this
isn't
misconstrued
by
people
now.
The
turtles
that
are
relevant
here
are
endangered
or
threatened.
If
they
were,
there
would
be
certain
protections
under
the
environmental,
sorry,
environmental
species
act
of
ontario
instead,
turtles
like
the
map
turtles,
are
considered
a
special
concern.
Species
means
there
are
some
at
risk,
but
it
generates
an
entirely
different
process.
Around
them.
H
Special
concern
species
are
prescribed
some
protections
through
the
eia
process,
the
significant
wildlife
habitat
it's
a
very
different
process
and
much
less
restrictive
than
that
was
associated
with
the
is
esa.
There's
no
nesting
observed
on
the
tannery.
We
put
an
immense
amount
of
far
beyond
provincial
requirements.
In
this
regard,
there
is
a
there
is
a
mandated
amount
of
fieldwork
required
to
look
for
eternal
listing.
H
We
far
exceeded
that
for
the
most
part,
it's
unlikely
they're
nesting
here,
because
they
they
do
require
sun
exposure
on
the
nest
site
and
most
of
the
tannery
is
heavily
vegetated
during
the
nesting
season,
through
overhanging
canopies
and
whatever.
So
it's
highly
unlikely
they're
nesting
here,
if
they
were
nesting
beyond
things
like
gravel
verges
trails,
that
sort
of
thing
and
human
structures
in
that
regards
are
not
afforded
protections
through
the
ea
process.
H
It
has
to
be
a
natural
situation
and
the
main
conduit
for
turtles
moving
in
this
general
area
moving
westward
is
via
the
that
we
observe
it's
via
the
orchard
street
outflow,
so
they're
swimming
most
of
the
way
and
then
crawling
the
rest
away
and
what
we
found
is
they're
targeting
is
they're
trying
to
nest
on
the
old
rail
trail
and
again,
not
the
not
the
pavement,
but
the
gravel
verges
on
the
side.
Again,
that's
that's,
fraught
with
predation
risks.
H
F
Just
fall,
while
she's
doing
that,
so
there's
been
some
some
commentary
about
concern
about
the
process
and
not
having
enough
information,
not
adequate
review,
etc,
and
so
we
just
wanted
to
highlight
you
know.
Applications
were
filed
over
four
years
ago.
Prior
to
that
there
was
two
plus
years
of
work,
doing
study,
doing
assessment,
etc
before
those
applications
are
actually
filed
and
we've
since
been
in
four
years
of
review,
updates
peer
reviews,
agency,
review,
etc
and
and
what's
to
come,
is
a
number
of
processes.
F
The
cataract
conservation
authority
would
require
permitting
for
virtually
the
whole
site,
and
that
would
look
at
a
wide
variety
of
things
and
there's
also
the
separate
provincial
environmental
remediation
review
that
kevin
shipley
described
earlier,
which
itself
is
a
multi-year
process
as
well.
That
is
undertaken
by
professional
scientists
at
the
provincial
level.
So
you
know
there
are
certain
things
that
can
be
answered
as
part
of
the
zoning
and
official
plan
applications,
but
there
are
other
things
that
would
be
dealt
with
at
future
phases
as
more
detailed
information
becomes
available.
F
There
so
this
is
the
overall
conceptual
landscape
plan,
and
this
is
some
of
what
was
referred
to
in
the
parks,
canada
letter
and
the
transfer
candle
letter.
So
I
first
just
want
to
point
out
approximately
70
percent
of
the
shoreline
area,
which
is,
on
the
right
hand,
side
that
dark
blue
gray,
color,
that's
actually
owned
by
transport,
canada
and
it's
intended
to
actually
remain
in
transport,
canada's
ownership
and
control,
and
we
anticipate
we
dealt
with
through
the
inner
harbor
project.
F
And
so
what
happens
to
that?
70
percent
of
shoreline
of
the
site
is
actually
to
be
dealt
with.
As
I
said,
through
a
separate
public
process,
and
this
is
an
area
where
I
think
there
is
a
significant
interest
in
terms
of
the
shoreline
conditions,
turtle,
basking,
etc
and
then
just
related
to
that
of
the
30
acres
of
the
sites.
Approximately
one
third
of
that
would
be
open
space
that
the
city
would
be
in
control
of
the
conservation
authority
being
controlled
in
terms
of
what
that
could
look
like
tree
plantings,
habitat
creation,
etc.
F
R
Thank
you
through
your
chair.
I
just
want
to
have
mr
tao
comment
on
one
thing.
There
was
a
question
brought
up
about,
you
know
driving
and
parking
and
all
the
vehicle
trips
that
will
be
created
from
the
site.
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
speak
to
a
little
bit
further
the
parking
options
that
are
currently
being
put
forward
by
patrick.
F
This
is
a
you
know,
a
very
well
situated
location
to
accommodate
and
encourage
users
to
to
take
those
alternate
modes
of
transportation
and
not
use
their
cars
for
every
trip
and
having
you
know,
one
parking
space
per
unit
is
also
going
to
encourage
less
car
ownership,
certainly
than
what's
traditionally
been
seen
in
suburban
areas
or
traditional
multi-residential
situations,
and
then.
Lastly,
on
that
point,
this
was
brought
up
a
bit
earlier.
F
F
R
Great
thank
you
and
through
your
chair,
I
do
have
one
comment
that
I
want
to
provide
some
clarification
on.
It
was
mentioned
early
on
that
staff
put
forward
a
report
last
year
that
laid
out
to
minister
zoning
order
as
the
number
one
option
being
considered
for
this
site.
Now,
staff
did
put
forward
an
information
report
to
cancel
last
september
so
september,
2021
that
laid
out
three
options
to
consider
some
of
the
policy
conflict
that
we
had
been.
R
We
have
identified
and
been
wrestling
with
the
staff
specifically
about
the
prevention,
significant
wetland
and
no
site
remediation
or
alteration
of
that
in
there,
even
though
it
is
a
contaminated
brown
field.
Under
the
provincial
policy
statement,
the
report
laid
out
three
options.
The
first
was
the
administrative
zoning
order
in
a
non-sequential
order.
R
A
Thank
you,
mr
bar.
Actually,
what
I'm
going
to
suggest
is
a
10-minute
recess
to
stretch
our
legs,
and
I
want
to
really
quickly
sketch
a
way
forward
tonight.
So
we've
just
had
two
rounds
of
questions
about
seven
questioners
per
time
and
about
five
minutes
each.
So
that's
30
minutes
per
public
input
per
round,
and
I
give
the
same
amount
of
time
to
the
applicant
as
I
do
the
public.
So
always
there
could
be
up
to
30
minutes
of
response
from
the
proponent.
A
So
far,
according
to
my
clock,
they
usually
take
about
20
minutes,
so
we're
looking
at
50
minutes
per
round.
So
we
take
a
10-minute
break
now
and
come
back
for
a
round
or
two
more.
We
should
be
on
track
to
get
this
meeting
done
tonight.
Provided
committee
is
also
concise,
but
we'll
play
that
by
year,
as
we
go
and
again
always
fair
number
of
minutes
for
both
the
public
and
the
applicant
with
that
said,
let's
take
a
break
now
until
8
20
and
continue
with
this
process.
Thank
you.
A
B
Absolutely
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
through
you
for
those
of
the
members
of
the
public
who
are
joining
us
this
evening.
We
do
rely
on
the
hand
raised
function
in
order
for
us
to
be
able
to
call
on
you.
If
you
wish
to
speak,
to
find
that
you
will
need
to
move
your
mouse
over
the
zoom
window
and
the
raised
hand.
Button
should
be
in
the
center
of
your
screen
for
those
who
are
joining
us
via
phone.
B
S
AB
AB
In
addition,
I
am
the
director
of
turtles
kingston
in
kingston.
My
colleague,
leslie
rudy
has
already
addressed
her
concerns
regarding
turtles
and
I
will
be
asking
several
hydrogeology
related
questions.
However,
before
I
get
into
my
hydrogeology
questions,
I
did
want
to
make
one
comment
to
the
fact
that
the
response
given
to
answer
leslie's
questions
regarding
turtles
was
dismissive
of
our
concerns.
We
recognize
that
the
four
turtles
within
the
inner
harbor
are
species
at
risk
and
they
are
not
threatened
or
endangered,
but
that
does
not
mean
that
they
do
not
deserve
our
consideration
and
our
protection.
AB
So
I
would
ask
that
leslie's
question
be
answered.
How
will
the
turtles
be
protected
on
the
tannery
site?
Or
would
you
please
provide
clarity
if
you
are
suggesting
that
turtles
shouldn't
be
protected
at
all,
since
these
at-risk
species
are
not
given
the
same
regulatory
protection
as
those
that
are
threatened
or
endangered?
AB
AB
First,
I
did
want
to
say
thank
you
for
the
response
to
jeremy's
questions,
as
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
more
groundwater
understanding
and
modeling
will
be
occurring
in
the
future.
But
without
this
understanding
I
do
not
see
how
a
proposed
plan
for
remediation
can
be
acceptable
if
it
does
not
address
the
entire
site
and
all
locations
of
contamination.
AB
In
fact,
groundwater
is
only
mentioned
twice
in
this
document
in
the
background
to
state
that
it
is
contaminated
primarily
with
metals,
vocs,
pahs
and
chloride,
from
other
studies
done
on
the
sites
such
as
the
phase
2
esa
in
2019,
and
the
environmental
impact
assessment.
Also
in
2019,
it
is
known
that
contaminated
groundwater
is
moving
into
the
cataract
way
river
from
the
site
and
a
review
of
the
contaminant
concentrations
outlined
in
these
documents.
AB
Consistent
consistently
shows
many
parameters
are
above
the
acceptable
levels,
even
if
these
levels
are
not
as
high
as
what
is
found
in
the
sediments
and
the
soils.
That
does
not
mean
that
they
are
not
a
concern,
so
my
first
hydrogeological
question
has
been
addressed
partially,
but
it
is
now
more
of
a
concern
that
is
related
to
how
grounded
groundwater
contamination
will
be
addressed
in
a
remediation
plan
and
I'm
concerned
about
decisions
being
made
on
the
site
without
a
better
understanding
of
the
contamination
on
the
site
and
how
it
is
actually
going
to
be
remediated.
AB
Finally,
I
would
like
to
articulate
my
concern
for
filling
in
a
wetland,
let
alone
a
provincially,
significant
wetland.
I'm
sure
we're
all
aware
of
the
importance
of
wetlands
to
climate
change,
flood
control,
ecosystem
biodiversity
and
they
have
been
talked
on
already
tonight.
I
also
understand
that
this
wetland
is
impacted
by
the
contamination
that
it
has
received
from
the
tannery
lands.
However,
after
discussions
with
a
colleague
of
mine,
who
is
a
senior
remediation
specialist
who
works
at
the
united
states,
my
concerns
about
the
need
to
fill
in
a
wetland
are
still
confirmed.
AB
Thus,
my
second
question
would
be
to
know
if
there
is
actually
evidence
to
suggest
that
there
is
significant
enough
mobility
of
the
wetland
sediments
to
warrant
filling
it
in.
It
is
my
opinion
that
a
comprehensive
and
thorough
remediation
plan
is
required
before
any
decisions
permits
or
actions
are
taken
on
the
site.
This
includes
a
better
understanding
of
how
contaminants
are
currently
leaving
the
site,
an
understanding
that
should
be
based
on
evidence
and
not
what
is
thought
to
be
happening.
AB
Unfortunately,
contrary
to
what
has
been
mentioned
by
the
proponent,
the
presence
of
contamination
in
the
cataract
way
river
is
not
evidence
to
suggest
that
contamination
is
currently
migrating
off
the
site
and
it
doesn't
even
speak
to
how
it
is
migrating
off
the
site.
Is
it
via
groundwater?
Is
it
just
be
a
erosion
of
sediment
and
soil?
What
that
only
speaks
to.
AB
Thank
you.
What
that
only
speaks
to
is
the
fact
that
contamination
has
historically
moved
off
the
site
and
into
the
river.
So
I
really
urge
counselors
to
consider
the
fact
that,
although
there
is
a
remediation
plan
out
there,
it
does
not
have
an
adequate
understanding
of
the
contaminants
on
the
site
and
does
not
address
all
pathways
of
contaminant
movement
from
the
site
into
the
river.
Thank
you
very
much.
AC
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair.
My
name
is
robert
watering.
I
live
at
356
rito
street,
which
is
within
100
meter
radius
of
the
site.
I'm
speaking
in
favor
of
this
development,
I'm
strongly
in
favor
of
it.
It's
long
overdue.
It's
a
very
heavily
contaminated
site.
I
do
agree
that
we
should
not
develop
wetlands
lightly.
I
think
that
we
should
protect
them
as
much
as
possible.
AC
However,
this
site
is
unique
in
the
fact
that
its
proximity
down
to
the
downtown
core
of
kingston
having
the
high
density
population
would
be
a
very
big
benefit,
and
the
proximity
to
downtown
would
encourage
people
to
use
exact
transportation
as
much
as
possible.
So
I
think
benefits
outweigh
the
detriments
for
the
site.
AC
Currently,
young
children
should
not
be
walking
anywhere
close
to
the
site
for
those
people
that
maybe
don't
aren't
close
to
the
site
or
haven't
seen
it.
Ups
up
close
that
have
commented,
there's
even
close
to
the
perimeter
of
the
site,
there's
heavily
contaminated
water.
That
is
actually
very
multi-colored,
and
it's
that
way
all
times
of
the
year,
it's
not
just
once
or
twice
it's
just
always:
blue
green,
with
an
oil
slick
on
top
there's
clear
evidence
of
heavy
contamination.
That's
right
within
walking
distance
multi-use
pathways.
AC
I
think
the
increase
of
the
density
I've
mentioned
that
already
the
increase
of
the
density
of
the
population
within
this
one
particular
area
would
really
benefit
the
area.
It's
been
a
very
economically
depressed,
neighborhood
for
quite
some
time.
The
development
of
this
property
would
I'm
I'm
also
in
favor
of
the
development
of
the
property,
is
having
smaller
units
that
would
hopefully
encourage
more
low
economic
or
people
with
lower
economic
status
to
be
able
to
afford
rental
units
in
the
area.
AC
Primary
concern
is,
with
the,
as
I
say,
as
a
positive
we're
having
more
people
in
the
area,
but
the
one
concern
that
goes
with,
that
is
the
increased
vehicular
traffic,
pedestrian
traffic
and
the
pedestrian
traffic
and
cycling
traffic.
It
is
already
a
very
dangerous
area,
especially
for
young
children.
There's
only
one
sidewalk
between
river
street
and
cataractway
street,
which
is
where
I
live.
AC
AC
The
other
concern
that
I
have
is-
and
I
know
this
has
been
addressed
as
well,
and
it
sounds
as
though
it's
been
thoroughly
looked
into,
but
there
is
one
particular
large
oak
tree
that
is
extremely
old
and
majestic,
and
it
would
be
nice
to
see
if
there
was
some
way
to
preserve
that
tree.
There
are
other
saplings
that
obviously
came
from
that
tree
in
the
immediate
area
that
are
not
nearly
as
old,
but
there's
one
that
stands
out
and
I'm
you
know
I
do.
AC
It
does
sound
as
though
it's
been
looked
into
quite
a
bit
and
it
doesn't
look
like
it's
going
to
be
easy
to
save
that
with
regards
to
the
ground
that
the
tree
is
on.
But
I
I
do
find
it
a
little
difficult
to
believe
that
there's
no
way
that
a
oak
tree
can
be
preserved
from
an
environmental
cleanup
perspective,
I'm
not
sure
exactly.
AC
I
didn't
really
worry
that
correctly,
but
hopefully
my
point
is
being
made
and
I
think
that
it
would
just
benefit
the
whole
area.
I
do
think
that
it'll
fit
very
nicely
within
the
inner
harbor.
It
is
close
to
the
unesco
world
heritage
site
the
rio
canal,
but
I
do
think
it
would
complement
that
quite
well,
especially
being
at
the
end,
the
terminus
end
of
the
real
canal.
That's
all
I
have
to
say
thank
you
very
much.
AD
Hi,
yes,
can
you
hear
me
ian
clark,
a
local
anti-poverty,
housing
activist
at
615
union
streets?
I
just
first
want
to
sort
of
echo
a
lot
of
the
environmental
concerns
that
have
been
raised
by
people
who
have
put
the
case
forward
a
lot
better
than
I
could,
but
more
than
that,
I
think
I
really
want
to
disagree
with
the
assertion
that
this
this
project
represents
a
public
good,
as
I
think,
based
on
the
sort
of
what
we've
seen
from
plan.
AD
AD
If
it's
met
with
a
stable
or
decreased
amount
of
demand,
and
what
we've
seen
in
practice
is
that
that's
not
what
actually
tends
to
happen
when
we
build
sort
of
these.
These,
these
units,
that
are
that
are
at
sort
of
market
price
and-
and
I
do
respect
the
commitment
to
building
smaller
units
that
would
be
more
affordable.
But
the
reality
for
most
low-income
kingstonians
is
that
they
can't
afford
a
market
price
even
for
a
studio
apartment.
E
Hi,
thank
you
good
evening.
I'm
laura
jane
cameron,
I'm
at
94
main
street
in
kingston,
I'm
a
professor
of
historical
geography
at
queen's
university
and
as
one
of
the
many
walkers
along
the
kingston
waterfront.
I've
been
impacted
deeply
by
the
teachings
offered
daily
every
day
by
all
the
forms
of
life,
the
trees,
the
herons,
the
beavers.
They
came
recently
their
two
two
lodges,
the
woodpeckers,
the
kingfishers
and
others
that
currently
reside
in
what
we're
calling
the
tannery
lands
it's
a
bit
of
a
misnomer
as
there's
a
lot
of
water.
E
E
The
topic
of
my
first
book,
a
watery
place
in
stallow
territory,
called
sumas
lake.
British
columbia,
was
in
the
news
in
a
big
way.
A
few
months
ago,
drained
a
century
ago
to
create
farmland
for
white
settlers.
It
returned
to
fill
the
fraser
valley
with
flood
waters
in
the
biggest
natural
disaster
in
canadian
history.
E
They
will
happen
more
frequently
wetlands
in
their
regulating
of
climate
hydrological
control,
including
mitigation
of
flooding,
while
at
the
very
same
time
protecting
global
biodiversity
become
ever
more
precious,
as
so
many
people
have
already
said
this
evening.
As
the
ministry
of
natural
resources
stated
in
a
letter
dated
20th
of
october
2020.
E
E
I
have
way
more
to
say-
and
it's
more
like
the
past
speaker
about
social
housing
and
social
justice,
but
I've
been
handed
something
particularly
urgent
to
read
it's
a
poem
by
helen
humphries
and
she
asks
some
vital
questions
in
it.
It's
written
for
one
of
the
trees
slated
to
be
clear-cut
by
the
developer.
E
A
venerable
and
magnificent
resident
of
the
tannery
lands
and
waters
was
mentioned
earlier.
This
evening
by
a
father,
it's
called
the
white
oak,
the
white
oak
on
river
street
through
200
winters.
It
has
persisted
in
freeze
and
melt
icy
winds
that
stripped
leaves
from
branches
that
slowed
the
sap
creeping
from
root
to
crown.
E
A
AE
And
I've
got
slides,
I'm
joyce
hostin,
I'm
on
764
meadowwood
road
and
I'm
from
little
forest
kingston
and
little
forest
kingston.
One
of
our
core
values
is
thinking
like
acorns
and
good
ancestor
from
roman
kosniak.
He
talks
about
marshmallow
versus
acorn
thinking
next
slide,
so
we
have
to
go
past
marshmallow
thinking
which
I
think
the
tannery
project
has
currently
proposed
is
next
slide.
AE
Let's
put
our
acorn
brains
to
work
next
slide,
nurturing
our
ability
to
think
plan
and
dream
into
the
distant
future
next
slide,
so
acorns
seventh
generation
thinking
honnashoni
teaching
current
tannering
proposal
is
great
infrastructure.
It's
very
much
marshmallow
thinking
next
line
green
infrastructure.
According
to
federation
of
canadian
municipality
six,
six
to
one
roi.
AE
This
is
not
even
being
considered
with
the
current
proposal.
Next
slide
york
region,
12,
1.2
million
residents,
23
6,
23,
60
cents
for
every
dollar,
invested
green
infrastructure.
Why
aren't
we
considering
this
with
the
tannery
project?
Next
slide
new
york
city?
This
is
acorn
thinking
on
that
first
bar
there
and
the
marshmallow
thinking
on
the
left
green
versus
gray
infrastructure
next
slide.
AE
AE
So
what's
the
expected
cost
benefit
analysis
for
the
city
of
kingston
for
the
current
proposal
versus
a
proposal
that
integrated
green
infrastructure
and
valued
natural
assets,
and
so,
if
you
look
at
this
tannering
project,
look
at
all
the
gray,
the
the
non-green
roofs,
the
not
very
many
trees.
The
parking
next
slide.
AE
Vancouver,
on
the
other
hand,
went
to
a
rainwater
strategy
where
they're
looking
at
the
rain
city
strategy,
how
do
we
sink
and
store
rain
water
versus
having
it
just
all,
dump
into
the
storm
sewers
and
go
into
the
you
know
going
to
the
system?
So
how
do
we
value
it
as
an
asset
next
slide,
and
this
is
a
one
of
the
strengths
that
we're
doing
in
vancouver
to
go
in
this
direction,
not
gray
they're
going
green
next
slide.
AE
How
much
did
our
last
extreme
rain
event
cost
the
city
of
kingston
I'd
like
to
know
that
and
see
like?
If
you
look
at
the
graphs
here
and
what
the
city
of
kingston's
own
forecast
is
a
lot
more
rain
is
coming
and
a
lot
more
extreme
storm
events.
Will
the
grey
infrastructure
handle
that
and
what's
the
impact
next
slide,
what
percent
of
permeable
permeable
surfaces
are
there
in
the
proposed
development?
AE
AE
City
of
edmonton,
their
city
policy,
conserving
protecting
restoring
natural
uplands
wetlands
testing
in
their
city
policy
now
next
slide,
so
the
future
corner.
This
is
again.
This
is
montreal,
where
they're
taking
an
area
that
has
been
grey
and
they're
saying.
How
do
we
bring
back
biodiversity
and
link
urban
nature
and
they're
doing
actually
asset
mapping
and
looking
at
corners
to
link
everything
together
and
so
they're
planning
that,
as
they
also
plan
buildings,
they're
planning
the
corners
next
slide?
AE
A
AF
AF
In
addition
to
undermining
and
bypassing
democratic
decision
making.
At
the
municipal
level,
the
current
overuse
of
mzos
tells
double
developers
that
they
can
get
approvals
without
having
to
worry
about
pesky
issues
like
provincially,
significant
wetlands,
riparian
quarters
corridors
and
other
environmental
productions,
or
even
whether
new
housing
or
businesses
in
a
certain
location
are
actually
wanted
or
needed
by
a
community.
AF
The
yours
to
protect
group
states
online
that
kingston
city
council
is
considering
requesting
an
mzo
for
the
tannery
land.
I
want
to
just
finish
this
by
reading
from
a
letter
that
I
was
asked
to
read.
Written
by
rosemary
toms
and
sent
to
the
mayor
and
counselors
in
january,
I'm
just
going
to
read
a
couple
sections
about
it.
AF
They
refer
to
the
mzos
since
2014
the
cataract
region
conservation
authority
has
been
involved
in
the
review
of
this
planning
application,
and
the
crca
has
raised
some
important
concerns
which
the
developer
has
not
yet
addressed,
including
the
proposed
development
of
achieving
an
appropriate
balance
that
protects
the
ecological
and
hydrologic
integrity
of
the
provincially
significant
wetland
while
remediating
the
contaminated
soil
on
the
site.
The
developer
has
still
not
demonstrated
to
the
crca
that
his
remediation
plan
will
actually
accomplish
this.
AF
The
crca
and
many
local
citizens
also
would
like
the
developer
to
demonstrate
that
his
remediation
plan
of
filling
in
substantial
parts
of
the
property
will
not
exacerbate
flood
risk
on
other
properties.
Thus
far,
the
developer
developer
has
not
demonstrated
this
as
well.
The
crca
and
many
local
citizens
have
concerns
about
the
placement
of
the
boathouse
and
the
possible
destruction
of
the
natural
vegetation
along
the
shoreline
which
would
impact
water
quality
protection,
erosion,
protection
and
species
habitat.
AF
A
study
came
out
by
a
rmc
group
in
in
the
last
10
years,
or
so
I
can
get
it
for
you
if
you
want
it,
showing
that
most,
the
chromium
is
actually
locked
as
an
inert
com
complex
as
the
trivalent
chromium
in
the
sediments
and
they're
they're,
as
that
form
because
of
the
anaerobic
state
of
the
sediments
and
as
up
in
that
form
they're
relatively
inert.
It's
when
they're
re,
they're
oxidized
to
the
hexavalent
form,
that's
the
toxin
form,
that's
soluble
in
water
and
any
disruption
of
the
soil.
AF
It's
going
to
be
very
difficult
to
stop
the
oxidation
of
the
trivalent
to
the
hexavalent
chromium
and
that
will
be
released
into
the
water
in
large
doses,
and
this
call
comes
to
the
question
about
needing
more
time
to
ask
questions.
This
is
about
chromium,
but
we
need
to
ask
the
same
questions
about
all
the
other
compounds
that
are
that
have
been
identified
in
the
in
the
last
phase.
2
study.
AF
AF
AG
Kingston
no
takari
I've
been
living
in
kingston
for
about
13
years
and
my
address
is
to
orchard
street.
I
want
to
express
gratitude
to
the
previous
speaker,
rachel
plotkin,
who
spoke
to
the
fact
that
there's
a
certain
level
of
literacy
and
procedural
fluency
to
follow
in
this
process.
As
ian
clark
said,
the
public
is
being
reminded
that
people
are
desperate
for
housing
and
yet
market
rate,
housing,
condos
and
boutique
shopping
is
not
going
to
address
issues
of
homelessness
and
housing.
AG
Deciding
that
there
are
limited
areas
for
intensification,
depends
on
who
holds
decision-making
power
and
where
their
values
lie.
I'm
concerned
that
there
is
not
appropriate
consultation
with
indigenous
community
members
on
this
development
project
was
the
indigenous
community
part
of
the
early
reviews.
I
was
paying
attention
four
years
ago.
I
was
just
raising
a
toddler
when
the
tannery
land
was
labeled
theatrically.
AG
Is
it
possible
to
replace
that
confirmation,
bias
of
interested
developers
and
find
ways
to
truly
integrate
and
respect
indigenous
voices,
cultures
and
language?
Just
because
you
cannot
hear
and
understand
the
voices
of
the
beings
who
are
speaking
to
you
does
not
mean
they
are
not
there.
Kingston
should
be
protecting
culturally
important
habitats,
including
this
wetland
and
improving
indigenous
water
access.
In
the
meantime,
we're
told
there
is
no
mechanism
in
place
to
protect
the
oak,
which
a
member
of
the
grandmother
circle
says
is
heavy
with
spiritual
significance.
AG
There
is
no
mechanism
in
place
because
the
work
of
reconciliation
is
fledgling.
I
ask
kingston
to
reject
this
development
and
instead
continue
to
focus
its
efforts
on
real
sustainability,
environmental
justice
and
find
innovative
steps
towards
moving
forwards
into
climate
uncertainty
together
in
a
good
way
with
sovereign
indigenous
indigenous
nations
yaouko.
Thank
you
so
much
for
listening.
S
AH
AH
I
focus
a
lot
of
my
work
on
studying
the
impacts
of
human
activity
on
the
carbon
cycle
and
many
of
the
projects
that
I've
worked
on
in
the
past
have
involved
quantifying
carbon
stocks
on
the
landscape.
So
tonight
I
want
to
present
a
methodology
to
estimate
carbon
stocks
on
the
tannery
property
and
to
help
us
think
a
little
bit
about
how
this
method
could
be
used
to
evaluate
development
projects
in
kingston
next
slide.
AH
Please
just
before
I
go
too
far,
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
clear
on
a
couple
of
terms:
carbon
sequestration
versus
carbon
stocks.
Carbon
sequestration
is
the
process
of
removing
atmospheric
carbon
and
storing
it
in
various
places,
such
as
in
trees,
whereas
carbon
stocks
is
a
major
measurement
of
the
amount
of
carbon,
that's
actually
stored
in
a
given
area,
I'm
going
to
be
talking
tonight
about
estimating
carbon
stocks
on
the
tannery
property,
but
I'm
also
going
to
use
those
that
information
to
make
some
estimates
of
annual
sequestration
sequestration
rates
next
slide.
Please.
AH
So
I
use
data
from
the
report
that
was
done
by
dendron
forestry
in
2017.
They
surveyed
the
tannery
property.
The
map
is
shown
on
the
left.
Here
they
identified
7.3
hectares
of
forest
area.
It's
in
the
yellow
inside
the
yellow
areas.
They
laid
out
a
grid
of
35
plots
which
are
the
red
dots
shown
on
the
map
inside
each
one
of
those
plots.
AH
Each
plot
was
380
meters
squared
they
measured
the
diameter
at
breast
height
of
each
stem
and
also
recorded
species
for
280
stems
they
didn't
measure
height,
which
was
unfortunate
and
you'll,
see
why
a
little
bit
later,
they
only
included
stems
that
were
greater
than
15
centimeters
in
diameter.
According
to
the
guidelines
laid
out
by
the
city
of
kingston
tree,
bylaw
next
slide,
please
so.
Here's
just
a
sample
of
the
data
on
the
left
from
the
report
in
the
black
text
and
on
the
right
are
some
of
the
calculations
that
I
did
so.
AH
AH
AH
Then
you
sum
up
all
the
numbers
for
all
the
stems
inside
a
plot.
You
divide
by
the
plot
area
to
give
you
tons
per
hectare,
and
the
final
thing
you
do
is
multiply
by
the
total
area
7.3
hectares
to
get
the
total
amount
of
carbon
stored
on
the
property
next
slide.
Please
so
I
calculated
the
results
in
two
different
ways
to
emphasize
the
importance
of
large
trees,
because
there
are
a
few
very
large
trees
included
in
the
survey.
AH
The
the
column
on
the
left
side
are
the
results
using
32
plots,
which
excludes
three
plots
that
contain
three
very
large
trees.
The
result
on
the
right
is
based
on
using
all
the
plot
data
that
was
presented
as
part
of
the
report.
First
thing
I
did
is
calculate
the
average
carbon
density,
so
that's
just
the
amount
per
unit
area
or
the
amount
per
hectare
using
the
reduced
number
of
plots.
AH
AH
Next
slide,
please
30
seconds.
If
you
would
yes
and
thank
you
very
much
so
what
I've
done
is
present
a
methodology
that
can
be
used
to
assess
the
carbon
consequences
of
development
projects
if
we
do
remove
all
these
trees.
I
hope
this
helps
to
inform
future
development
projects
as
well
in
the
city
of
kingston.
So
thanks
very
much
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you,
dr
neal,
and
if
I
could
request,
please
send
that
through
to
the
clerk,
because
we
would
like
to
review
that
I'm
sure
now
that's
been
according
to
my
notes
here,
eight
speakers
from
the
public,
which
means
it's
time
to
hear
from
the
proponent
and
again
just
to
rest
assured
to
committee
and
the
public.
That
means
they
will
have
about
30
minutes
to
reply
to
the
30
minutes
of
comments
that
we've
heard
so,
mr
barr,
I'm
looking
for
you
on
my
screen.
There
you
are,
you
can
take
it
from
here.
R
G
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
there
was
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
and
characterization
of
the
groundwater
in
the
phase
ii
environmental
site
assessment
report.
It's
true.
There
wasn't
much
discussion
of
groundwater
in
the
wetland
remediation
plan
because
our
main
focus
there
was
addressing
the
contaminated
sediment
in
the
wetlands.
G
G
Tara
mentioned
the
possibility
of
a
permeable
reactive
barrier
wall
at
this
site.
I
doubt
that
that
would
be
required,
but
it
will
be
looked
at
as
part
of
the
risk
assessment
process
and
evaluating
what
kind
of
control
measures
are
needed
for
the
groundwater,
and
it
may
be
that
that
all
that's
required
is
to
demonstrate
that
there
isn't
a
significant
impact
on
the
groundwater
on
the
river
by
the
groundwater,
but
that's
still
to
be
looked
at
further
in
the
risk
assessment.
G
G
Now
moving
on,
there
was
a
question:
there
was
a
point
about
trees
and
a
bell
park
study.
This
was
done
by
laura
jean
that
trees
can
pump
up
the
contaminated
groundwater
and
it's
true
there.
There
is
a
a
lot
of
study
of
phyto
remediation
and
the
ability
of
trees
to
pump
or
essentially
extract
groundwater
at
a
rate
of
sometimes
hundreds
of
liters
per
day.
But
the
issue
we
have
here
is
that
the
groundwater
isn't
the
main
concern.
G
G
Yes,
that
is
a
possibility.
That
is
a
that
is
an
issue,
but
that
is
another
reason
why
I
think
it
needs
to
be
encapsulated.
The
sediment
that
has
the
chromium
in
it.
We
aren't
going
to
be
digging
it
up
and
disturbing
it.
We
are
going
to
be
covering
it
over
in
order
to
and
disturbing
it
as
as
little
as
possible
and
with
it
in
its
in
its
current
state.
H
H
It
was
understood
that
from
the
beginning
and
outlined
bruno
report
that
all
sites
have
some
ecological
value,
including
the
tanner,
so
the
question
is:
if
everything
has
ecological
value,
how
do
you
determine
which
sites
can
be
protected?
And
this
is
the
purpose
of
the
eia
process?
It's
common
to
all
municipalities
in
the
province,
it's
mandated
by
the
province.
So
there's
a
there's
a
set
methodology
on
how
to
do
this.
H
We
go
through
the
process,
determine
what
sites
merit
protection
or
what
aspects
features
and
functions
of
portions
of
the
site,
numeric
protection.
This
was
done
for
the
tannery
project.
The
eia
was
reviewed
by
four
different
agencies,
so
we've
we've
done
the
process.
That's
required
for
the
official
plan
to
allow
this
process
to
go
forward.
H
It's
one
comment
about
algae
and
carbon
frustration.
All
these
do
have
some
value
in
this.
Regards
but
this
is
an
open
water
feature.
The
wetlands
that
will
be
part
of
the
risk
assessment
process
by
xcg
are
emerging.
Wetlands
they're,
not
open
water
violence,
so
the
algae
characteristic
there
is,
is
not
there
to
clarify
that.
F
D
D
F
R
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
chair,
just
to
build
on
that
last
comment
about
access
to
the
site.
We
do
have
a
representative
from
transportation
services
here
tonight,
marisa
mastaro,
so
I
want
to
ask
her
if
she
has
any
additional
comments
to
bring
up
about
traffic
transportation
and
it's
like
reviews
so
far.
AI
Thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair
yeah,
so
just
to
build
on
what
the
applicant
said
so
from
a
transportation
perspective.
At
a
macro
level,
we've
confirmed
that
our
transportation
network
is
expected
to
be
able
to
accommodate
the
level
of
intensification.
That's
proposed,
however,
the
details
for
site-specific
connections
and
impacts
and
mitigations
that
be
required,
as
they
noted
as
part
of
detailed
traffic
work,
that's
ongoing
by
the
applicant
and
remains
subject
to
technical
review
by
the
city,
so
that
works
continuing.
A
AJ
As
the
one
of
the
developers
representative
said,
if
true
most
of
the
tanner
is
unsuitable
for
turtle
nesting
because
of
canopy
cover
in
the
summer.
Well,
let's
talk
about
canopy
cover.
In
the
summer,
kingston
has
suffered
greatly
from
settler
so-called
development
and
such
as
the
davis
tannery,
and
here
I
believe
it
will
suffer
from
so-called
settler
rehabilitation
of
lands
that
we
contaminated
in
a
process
which
itself
seems
contaminated
by
desire
for
profit.
AJ
AK
AK
AK
AK
Interestingly,
many
of
us
have
probably
heard
of
the
passenger
pigeon,
which
used
to
be
abundant
on
this
continent
and
became
extinct.
Kingston
was
the
very
last
site
wherein
there
was
an
authenticated
record
of
breeding
passenger
pigeons.
It
came
down
to
a
colony
of
20
and
that
was
in
1898,
so
this
tree
was
then
almost
100
years
old
already
when
these
birds
were
still
at
present
in
our
very
area,
and
so
I'd
like
to
consider
that
tree
in
a
rounder
way,
not
a
carbon
holding
site.
AK
AM
AL
And
I
decided
to
take
15
seconds
of
your
time
to
listen
to
that
song,
just
to
bring
the
attention
to
our
decisions
that
we're
making
today
are
decisions
for
our
children.
Our
decisions
for
the
next
seven
generations,
and
I
want
to
reiterate
the
importance
of
our
environment
of
our
nature,
and
I
think,
we've
learned
from
the
pandemic
that
we
are
capable
of
making
difficult
choices
for
things
that
are
important
and
putting
important
matters
in
front
of
economic
interest.
AL
And
so
I
also
wanted
to
reiterate
too
about
the
indigenous
peace,
and
I
wonder
how
the
city
of
kingston
and
the
developers
are
working
actively
together
with
indigenous
peoples.
With
this
decision
making
as
part
of
our
reconciliation
process,
I
feel
that
we
need
to
actively
work
with
indigenous
peoples
and
think
of
things
not
from
our
settler
way
but
from
indigenous
ways.
And
how
can
we
work
together
to
to
do
things
that
are
going
to
affect
positively
the
next
seven
generations
and
as
a
mediator
myself?
AL
I
am,
as
I
spoke
to
my
17
year
old
and
he
I
said
what
do
you
think
about
this
and
he
said
well,
I
think
really.
We
shouldn't
touch
that
the
the
river,
the
marshlands.
We
shouldn't
touch
it
if
the
developer
is
going
to
go
ahead,
maybe
build
two
buildings
back,
don't
build
all
four.
It's
way
too
big
way
too
dense
build
two
buildings
and
leave
adequate
space
for
the
trees
for
the
birds
for
the
marshlands
along
the
river
side.
So
go
smaller
or
don't
go
at
all.
Remember
our
children
work
with
indigenous
peoples.
AN
You
for
your
contribution,
yes,
imogen
lap.
I
live
at
99
york
street
and,
first
of
all,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
just
like
to
mention
how
many
people
are
in
attendance
tonight.
I
think
that's
a
very
important
thing
to
note.
There
are
people
on
both
sides
of
the
argument,
but
something
like
a
minister's
zoning
order
just
allows
all
of
this
public
input
to
be
completely
disregarded.
AN
AN
I
think
it
to
my
knowledge
is
the
largest
urban
forest
in
downtown
kingston,
and
we
should
be
considering
the
fact
that
this
land
could
be
remediated
and
turned
into
a
public
forest
asset
rather
than
a
residential
and
commercial
area,
and
I
might
be
a
bit
late
to
be
bringing
that
into
this
process,
but
I
I
don't
think
I'm
in
my
own
boat
there.
I
think
many
people
are
suddenly
becoming
aware
of
the
the
state
of
this
planning
and
thinking
that
it's
frankly
irresponsible
and
doesn't
take
into
account
the
concerns
of
the
public.
AO
Hi
there,
my
name
is
melissa
shoemaker.
I
live
at
1033
rainbow
crescent.
I
want
to
start
by
saying
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
today.
I'm
a
homelessness
advocate.
Amongst
other
things,
I
have
experienced
youth
homelessness,
so
I
feel
it's
very
important
for
me
to
speak
for
the
homeless
that
have
resided
at
this
site
and
in
this
general
area,
though,
I
want
to
echo
a
lot
of
the
points
mentioned
regarding
the
environmental
concerns.
AO
AO
AO
There
is
no
concrete
plan
being
considered
to
re-house
these
people,
as
we
have
seen
in
the
city
in
the
past,
so
I
must
acknowledge
both
the
efforts
of
patri
and
the
city
in
establishing
the
hub
nearby,
though
that
that
establishment
does
serve
a
critical
purpose
in
service
servicing
the
homeless
population
at
risk.
It
is
not
a
fix-all
solution
which
I'm
sure
we
all
know.
So
speaking
as
someone
who
has
lived
in
shelters
and
read
much
on
this
topic,
I
know
it
is
not
the
long-term
solution.
AO
AO
AO
So
I
would
urge
the
city
to
consider
both
its
commitments
to
our
most
vulnerable
populations
before
committing
to
such
a
development,
and
I
also
want
to
ask
patrick
to
reassess
its
focus
on
this
aspect
of
the
the
development
and
the
impacts
that
this
development
will
have.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
AP
AP
Right
well,
my
name
is
chris
hargreaves.
I
live
at
40
60
bath
road
in
kingston.
I
am
speaking
as
the
chair
of
the
conservation
committee
for
the
kingston
field,
naturalists
and
in
the
past.
I
have
addressed
many
meetings
of
planning
committee
in
that
role
and
there
are
several
things
about
the
meeting
tonight
which
strike
me
as
remarkable.
AP
AP
Was
the
sort
of
very
high
level
discussion
which
has
happened
regarding
climate
change
and
ecological
issues
and
the
homeless,
which
is
in
my
experience,
not
that
common
when
one
gets
down
to
normal
planning
applications
which
are
normally
involved
with
much
more
nitty
gritty
things
like
stormwater
management,
and
the
fourth
remarkable
thing
about
this
meeting
is
that
it
is
the
longest
planning
committee
meeting
I've
ever
been
to
in
which
storm
water
management
was
not
mentioned.
It
finally
got
mentioned
by
miss
hostin
after
2
hours
and
42
minutes,
and
it's
quite
unusual.
AP
AP
AP
So
my
question
for
the
developers
is
30
seconds:
are
you
concerned
with
storm
water
on
their
property,
or
do
they
have
a
bigger
plan
and
for
the
planning
staff
who
is
looking
at
storm
water
on
the
adjacent
property?
To
make
sure
we
don't
end
up
with
more
water
through
the
orchard
street
marsh
which
the
city
owns?
So
the
city
will
be
responsible
for
pollution
flowing
into
the
river
and.
A
AQ
I
am
a
member
of
the
society
for
conservation
biology,
kingston
chapter,
and
I
want
to
echo
the
concerns
about
climate
change
and
the
greenwashing
of
this
development.
Our
executive
members
have
been
discussing
this
issue
and
we're
very
skeptical
skeptical
of
the
ecological
benefits
of
this
remediation
and
development,
because
there's
so
much,
we
don't
know
about
the
specifics
of
the
sustainable
construction
strategies
proposed
and
design
and
the
ecological
assessment
conducted.
AQ
AQ
The
city
states
that
it
is
committed
to
working
with
indigenous
peoples
and
all
residents
to
pursue
a
united
path
of
reconciliation
since
cutting
down
the
white
oak
is
inevitable.
If
this
development
takes
place,
what
will
the
city
do
in
response
to
the
pain
and
heartbreak
felt
by
elders
and
others,
the
indigenous
community,
in
an
effort
to
pursue
a
path
of
reconciliation?
AQ
Perhaps
this
would
be
to
collaborate
with
indigenous
groups
to
restore
this
loss.
I
hope
you
will
take
into
consideration
our
history
of
colonization
and
how
we
have
continually
broken
the
trust
of
the
people
who
reside
on
these
lands.
Do
we
want
to
continue
making
mistakes
and
reconciling
after
or
do
we
want
to
be
proactive
and
listen
to
the
elders
in
the
community
and
consult
with
with
indigenous
peoples?
First,
every
mistake
we
make
pushes
us
a
step
back
and
a
pursuit
for
reconciliation.
AQ
AR
I'm
speaking
tonight,
primarily
to
encourage
you,
as
others
have
done,
to
move
slowly
on
this
proposal.
There
simply
are
not
enough
good
decisions
that
will
continue
to
be
good
generations.
From
now,
the
developers
requested
that
a
provincially
significant
wetland
be
re-categorized
by
both
the
province
and
the
city.
The
mnrf
requested
that
rejected
this
request
in
a
letter
from
october
2020,
calling
it
a
precedent
that
could
be
difficult
to
deal
with
that's
a
quote
elsewhere
in
the
province.
I
would
hope
that
kingston
will
not
become
the
cadillac
catalyst
to
wetland
loss
in
other
regions.
AR
We
have
provincially
significant
wetland,
designations
and
municipal
environmental
protection
areas
for
a
reason:
the
contamination
in
the
sediments
and
the
soils
of
the
tannery
property,
the
loss
of
habitat
and
fragmentation
of
green
corridors
throughout
our
city.
The
drastic
loss
of
wetlands
across
ontario
demonstrate
the
need
for
these
protections.
I
encourage
the
city
to
respect
and
maintain
them.
The
developer
proposes
to
cap
fill
in
and
build
upon
a
large
portion
of
the
marsh
while
capping
may
be
one
means
of
dealing
with
the
contamination
of
the
wetland.
AR
Sediments,
the
destruction
and
filling
in
of
the
wetland
would
also
facilitate
the
construction
of
a
large
housing
project
that
clearly
does
not
fit
the
land
available.
The
filling
in
of
wetlands
to
make
dry
lands
is
a
19th
century
or
even
earlier
practice
that
has
no
place
in
a
city
working
towards
sustainability.
AR
Other
jurisdictions
across
north
america
have
addressed
contamination
in
wetlands
by
remediating
and
then
restoring
the
wetlands,
creating
rather
than
destroying
habitat.
The
developer
has
been
given
tremendous
financial
support
by
the
city
to
address
contamination
on
his
property.
The
ruin
of
important
natural
heritage
features
of
the
land
of
water
should
not
be
an
additional
price.
The
city
must
pay.
The
crca
is
rightly
asking
the
city
to
get
an
independent
peer
review
of
the
wetlands
remediation
plan.
AR
Reviewers
should
be
asked
to
provide
assessments
of
possible
alternative
forms
of
remediation
that
center
ecological
needs
and
the
preservation,
rather
than
the
destruction
of
the
wetland.
Provincially
significant
wetlands
are
meant
to
be
off
limits
to
all
forms
of
development.
Coastal
wetlands
like
the
marsh,
are
irreplaceable.
They
hold
ecological
and
cultural
significance.
AR
Are
the
contaminants
in
the
orchard
street
marsh
moving
or
are
they
stable?
Do
the
contaminants
show
up
in
the
vegetation
in
the
wildlife
in
the
water?
What's
the
cost-benefit
analysis
in
terms
of
balancing
toxicity,
habitat
loss,
climate
change,
mitigation
of
different
potential
forms
of
remediation?
AR
What
cultural
heritage
associated
with
dorito
canal
bell
park
bell
island
and
the
north
kingstown
neighborhood
would
be
lost
with
the
discretion
of
the
destruction
of
the
marsh.
Finally,
of
others
have
asked.
How
is
this
proposed
massive
engineering
project
going
to
be
integrated
with
the
proposed
parks,
canada
and
transport
canada
project
that
will
is
intended
to
address
contamination
in
the
river?
The
federal
agencies
clearly
have
concerns
about
this.
These
are
difficult
and
complex
questions.
I
encourage
you
not
to
be
rushed.
AR
A
G
Okay,
yeah,
okay,
let's
start
so,
there
was,
I
think,
there's
just
one
thing
I
need
to
address
and
that
was
matt
brought
up
the
the
drawing
that
we
have.
That
shows
the
contamination,
and
he
mentioned
that
there
was
a
green
area
down
near
where
the
tree
is,
and
so
he
thought
well
that
that
may
indicate
that
there
actually
isn't
contamination
near
the
tree.
G
But
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
the
the
drawing
that
we
showed
there
was
only
focused
on
three
specific
contaminants
and
those
were
chromium,
lead
and
zinc,
and
so
that
that
area
was
shown
as
green.
But
in
fact
there
are
other
contaminants
in
that
area
where
the
tree
is,
and
those
are
other
metals
consisting
of
cobalt,
vanadium
and
barium,
and
those
are
the
ones
that
that
are
present
within
the
canopy
of
the
tree,
and
we
did
testing
specifically
in
that
area
and
confirmed
that
we
had
exceedences
there.
G
H
This
is
where
all
the
stuff
was
dumped
was
in
those
wetland
cells.
It's
currently
dominated,
as
I
said
before,
by
a
non-native
invasive
plant
species.
It
offers
little
in
terms
of
those
features
that
impart
significance
to
the
entire
wetland.
I've
done
many
hundreds
of
wetland
evaluations,
including
overseeing
this
one.
So
I
really
understand
why
this
little
bit
is
not
that
important
to
the
overall
hole.
H
Of
the
entire
wetland
will
remain,
including
those
parts
of
the
wetland
that
really
imparted
the
significance
for
the
evaluation.
So
we
it's
a
it's
a
checklist
of
step-by-step
process,
there's
a
bunch
of
features
in
there
that
we
we
score,
and
the
really
big
values
for
this
wetland,
which
stems
from
kingston
mills
to
lasalle.
Causeway
are
not
here,
they're,
mostly
upstream
north
of
the
bella.
F
Just
a
couple
of
things
I'll
speak
to
so
there
have
been
discussions
again
about
that
kind
of
balancing
development
and
natural
areas.
What
is
a
reasonable
amount
and
what?
If
anything
and
from
somebody's
perspective,
so
I
just
wanted
to
highlight-
I
guess-
the
amount
of
green
space
on
the
site
so
that
again,
the
property
is
about
30
acres
between
the
northern
and
waterfront
open
space
areas
is
about
9.5
acres
of
open
space
that
would
be
available
after
remediation
to
be
naturalized
so
about
a
third
of
the
site.
F
After
remediation
could
be
habitat
creation.
You
know
buffer
lands,
ecological
transition
zones
to
the
wetland,
so
it's
one-third
of
the
site
and
then
within
the
development
footprint
itself,
there's
about
three
acres
of
green
space:
landscape
open
space-
so
you
know
the
site
itself
is
not
you
know,
gray,
grey,
wasteland
or
significant,
significant
green
space
again
after
after
cleanup
and
then
supplemental
to
that,
the
contaminated
wetland
that
is
being
encapsulated
is
going
to
be
replaced
with
healthy
coastal
wetlands
elsewhere.
F
In
the
watershed,
which
is,
you
know,
a
process,
a
formal
process
that
exists
in
ontario
to
allow
for
wetland,
restoration,
wetland,
recreation
where
wetland
is
removed.
Some
of
that
happened
with
the
third
crossing
project,
where
there
was
wetland
restoration
required
off-site
to
account
for
some
of
the
wetland,
psw
loss
associated
with
the
third
crossing.
F
So
but
it
is
a
unique
situation
in
terms
of
having
a
contaminated
psw.
It's
not
something
that
exists.
That's
why
this
is
a
unique
planning
policy
circumstance
in
terms
of
having
to
deal
with
the
contaminated
psw,
because
they
don't
you
know
they
don't
exist
in
any
kind
of
frequency
throughout
the
province.
So
there's
not
really
a
protocol
about
how
to
deal
with
contaminated
wetlands,
even
if,
even
if
the
city
wanted
or
an
entity
wanted
to
clean
up
the
wetland
and
go
in
and
disturb
it
to
cap.
F
Lastly,
with
respect
to
mr
hargrave's
questions
about
stormwater
management.
So
this
is,
you
know
this
is
the
third
public
meeting,
so
we
have
had
more
traditional
style
public
meetings
previously,
where
we
did
talk
about
more
traditional,
you
know,
planning,
acting
technical
studies
that
were
completed
covering
the
whole
range,
and
so
this
meeting
was
intended
to
focus
on.
F
Phil
was
added,
so
those
those
patterns
of
drainage
that
were
seen
in
that
photo
are
long
long
since
passed
and
what's
there
today
is
what
was,
I
guess,
created
post
destruction
of
the
old
industrial
buildings
in
the
fill
that
happened
at
that
time,
and
so
there
will
be
a
storm
water
management
plan.
That's
done
that
will
prevent
net
increases
in
stormwater
runoff
it'll
avoid
creating
sedimentation
from
running
off
into
the
wetland
to
the
north
or
creating
greater
flows.
F
R
Thank
you,
and
through
your
chair,
mr
taos,
touched
on
all
the
comments
I
wanted
to
hit
this
evening,
especially
as
it
relates
to
stormwater
management.
The
stormwater
management
report
was
submitted
with
the
application,
which
has
been
under
review
by
engineering
services,
with
comments
on
that
as
part
of
technical
review,
and
those
comments
will
be
part
of
any
future
comprehensive
report,
recognizing
that
we
are
at
the
stage
of
official
plan
amendment
and
zoning
bylaw
amendment.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Yes,
we
will
not
be
entertaining
repeat
speakers
during
this
meeting.
However,
with
six
remaining
and
our
average
time
for
rounds
of
questions,
we're
looking
at
45
minutes
to
an
hour
that
would
bring
us
just
before
11.,
so
I
think
we
can
move
through
those
six
people.
However,
madam
clerk,
can
we
do
a
final
call
for
anyone
to
raise
their
hand
just
so
we
get
a
sense
if,
in
addition
to
that,
sixth
or
anyone
who
would
like
to
speak,
that
helps
frame
this
too.
B
Absolutely
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
through
you,
so
we'll
do
a
final
call
at
this
time.
So
if
there
is
anyone
who's
still
remaining
with
us
at
this
time,
who
has
not
already
had
a
chance
to
speak
this
evening
and
would
still
like
to
provide
some
comments
to
the
application
on
the
floor,
if
you
could,
please
raise
your
hand
and
zoom
so
that
we
may
identify
you
at
this
time
again,
if
there's
anyone
who
is
still
joining
us
via
phone,
that
is
pressing
star
nine.
A
Okay,
that's
fine!
That's
still
within
our
regular
practice!
So
we'll
have
seven
speakers
offer
their
perspective,
ask
their
questions
and
so
forth
and
then
we'll
go
to
responses
as
we
just
have
and
then
we'll
recess
at
that
point
until
next
thursday
for
committee
questions
and
we'll
look
forward
to
that
at
that
time.
But
given
the
hour,
we
won't
have
time
to
do
that
tonight,
so
we'll
wrap
up
with
the
public
portion
and
look
forward
to
committing
next
week
who's.
First
on
our
list
of
speakers.
AS
AS
AS
AS
AS
AS
AS
A
AT
AT
The
other
thing
I
want
to
talk
about.
I
want
to
talk
about
lots
of
things,
but
I'm
gonna
then
send
those
in
there's
a
piece
of
wetland.
That's
close
to
the
torito
street
and
other
people
have
shown
it
on
the
map,
and
this
is
never
shown
on
any
of
the
diagrams
that
show
the
wetland,
and
I'm
wondering
why
I
have
noticed
that
there's
an
inflow
that
comes
under
the
knp
trail
that
comes
onto
the
site
and
it
is
usually
orange
in
color,
and
it
also
shows
signs
of
oil
pollution.
AT
A
AU
Hello,
can
you
hear
me
the
usual
question?
Okay,
I
didn't
realize
I
was
next,
so
let
me
see
here
counselors
and
staff.
My
name
is
kathleen
o'hara
apartment,
1002,
91,
king
street
east
kingston.
I'm
a
member
of
no
clear
cuts
in
kingston,
I'd
like
to
start
actually
by
supporting
rachel
plotkin's
comments
that
j
patrick's
proposal
takes
advantage
of
past
environmental
mistakes.
AU
AU
The
first
time
I
spoke
to
city
council
was
in
the
late
1980s,
the
city
under
mayor
gary
bennett
wanted
to
sell
our
historic
frontenac
county
courthouse
to
queens
for
its
school
of
business.
At
that
time
I
commented
that
this
plane
this
plan
reflected
the
thinking
of
people
who
know
the
price
of
everything
and
the
value
of
nothing.
Every
time
I
walk
past
our
courthouse.
I'm
thankful
that
so
many
kingstonians
fought
to
save
it
today,
I'm
equally
thankful
to
the
many
people
trying
to
save
a
vibrant
urban
forest
from
being
destroyed.
AU
However,
what
started
as
a
fight
to
save
1800
trees
from
developer,
jay
patrick's
plan
to
clear-cut
bulldoze
and
pave
has
grown
over
grown
into
a
battle
to
save
kingston's,
mature
carbon
sequest
sequestering
trees?
Generally,
as
we
face
a
growing
climate
crisis,
people
across
the
city
are
fed
up
with
past
and
proposed
clear
cuts.
Walnut
grove,
eunice
eunice
drive
bright
crescent,
the
johnson
street
corridor
1177
montreal
and
more
it's
also
about
quality
of
life.
AU
E
AU
It's
already
been
mentioned
how
mz
are
being
abused,
but
I'd
like
to
read
a
warning
by
the
group.
Environmental
defense
quote:
a
law
passed
last
december
and
another
set
for
third
reading
april
1st
are
transferring
mzos
into
weapons
of
mass
destruction,
sweeping
aside
flood
and
wetland
protection
and
virtually
every
other
safeguard.
Unquote.
AU
AU
One
argument
given
in
favor
of
the
tannery
clear-cut
by
patreon
city
staff,
is
that
it
is
that
the
city
needs
to
intensify,
build
more
housing.
We
agree.
We
have
identified
several
treeless
fields
equally
central
along
montreal
street
that
are
ripe
for
housing,
shops
and
community
spaces,
with
no
clear
cuts
or
sprawl.
AU
AU
AU
Finally,
we
citizens
rely
on
city
staff
and
council
to
make
wise
safe
decisions
for
us
any
remediation
of
the
toxic,
complex,
tannery
site
so
close
to
the
river
bell
park
bell,
island
and
homes
must
be
conducted
with
with
extreme
care.
It
is
the
city's
responsibility
to
ensure
that
whoever
undertakes
this.
This
challenge
has
a
history
of
best
practices
and
an
unblemished
record
of
handling
30.
D
AU
B
AV
AV
You
know
how
are
we
going
to
make
sure
that
those
those
sidewalks
are
put
in?
How
are
we
going
to
make
sure
that
you
know
once
somebody
gets
to
the
site,
they
can
survive
it
without
shade
in
the
trees.
Maybe
it's
going
to
be
too
hot,
and
I,
I
suppose,
I'm
speaking
from
the
point
of
view
of
of
somebody
who's
who
has
been
inadequately
housed
in
the
past
and
who
has
has
dealt
with.
AV
You
know,
firsthand
the
affordability
issues
in
the
city
and
if,
if
housing
is
not
accessible
and
affordable
to
even
disabled
folks,
you
know
women
who
are
sole
heads
of
households.
You
know
who
are
going
to
be
biking
to
and
from
work.
Perhaps
you
know
what
are
what
are
we
doing
to
make
sure
that
every
person
who
needs
to
be
housed
in
the
city
is
going
to
be
able
to
be
housed?
I
worry
that
in
developing
market
units
and
not
affordable
units,
even
though
it's
a
council
priority,
wasn't
it
25.
AV
Affordability
was
the
goal
for
the
kingston
municipal
housing
and
homelessness
reduction
plan.
I
don't
have
the
number
on
me,
but
in
any
case,
I'm
concerned
that
there's
not
a
guarantee
that
the
community
outside
of
the
developer
and
perhaps
the
long-term
economic
goals
of
the
city,
but
we're
also
people
who
are
here
and
now
who
have
you,
know
stories
and
families
and
connections
here
and
now,
and
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
seen.
AV
So
this
is
quite
the
jumble
of
topics
from
access
to
affordability,
to
green
space.
To
you
know,
inclusion,
and
I
just
wanted
to
be
sure
that
that
got
spoken
to
tonight
and
including
us
in
part
of
the
you
know,
process
is
important,
so
being
heard
and
being
listened
to
on
this
regard
by
the
by
the
committee
is
a
lovely
opportunity.
Thank
you.
A
AW
Perfect
thanks,
I
wanted
to
say
a
few
things,
one
of
which
was
about
the
plan
to
construct
a
wetland
in
an
alternate
location.
I
just
think
that's
woefully
inadequate.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
on
the
committee
has
seen
a
reconstructed
wetland
or
a
constructed
wetland
they
have
about
as
much
in
common
with
a
complex
renaturalized
ecosystem
as
say,
a
old
growth
food
forest
has,
with
like
an
agricultural
monocrop
kind
of
situation,.
AW
A
D
AX
AX
A
AX
AY
Please
yeah
I'm
stephen
lutz.
I
live
at
141
james
street,
so
I
live
pretty
close
to
the
area
and
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
around
the
cataract
way,
and
I
know
the
water
really
well,
I'm
in
support
I'm
in
support
of
it
for
a
few
reasons.
So,
first,
the
remediation,
I
think,
is
really
important
as
part
of
the
risk
protection
from
the
potential
for
more
contaminants
to
move
towards
the
river
in
the
event
of
these
high
waters
and
the
erosion
that's
happening.
AY
I
also
feel
it's
a
step
forward
towards
a
solution
to
some
of
the
urgent
need
for
housing,
some
affordable
housing
and
I'm
confident
that
the
increase
in
supply
is
going
to
have
a
positive
effect
on
the
affordability
opportunities
for
people.
More
housing
is
positive
supply
and
demand
affects
the
rent
and
seeing
we
see
it
directly
with
our
current
supply
being
so
low,
it's
forcing
the
the
rents
up.
AY
And
my
last
point,
I
think
is
I
I
just-
I
think
it's
important
for
all
of
us
who
are
fortunate
enough
to
have
a
home
to
remember
that
the
homes
that
we're
on
are
probably
on
properties
that
were
once
a
farm
or
a
forest,
and
now
that
we're
settled
and
comfortable,
I
think
it's
unfair
to
think
that
that
others
shouldn't
be
able
to
be
afforded
some
development
of
safe
and
affordable
housing.
I
think
we're
a
little
short-sighted
about
that.
That's
that's
all!
I
have.
A
A
But
I
I'm
trying
to
gauge
how
many
members
of
the
public
still
wish
to
speak,
because
if
we
need
to
incorporate
that
into
next
week,
that's
obviously
a
possibility,
because
that's
what
we're
here
to
hear
from
members
of
the
public
because
we're
at
a
public
meeting
are
there
any
other
of
the
attendees
left.
Who
wish
to
speak.
A
Okay,
I'm
seeing
additional
hands
pop
up
and
a
reminder
that
we
won't
entertain,
repeat
speakers,
but
given
the
time
and
the
fact
that
we
still
need
to
have
responses,
it
looks
like
next
week
we
will
have
an
opportunity
to
hear
from
the
public
as
well
before
we
go
to
the
committee,
which
definitely
reinforces
the
need
for
a
recess
at
this
point,
but
not
before
we
hear
from
the
applicant
and
staff
in
response
to
this
last
round
of
the
evening
of
public
questions.
So,
mr
barr,
over
to
you,
thank
you
and
through
your.
H
H
For
the
cataract
we
were
between
the
401
and
all
causeways,
so
that
would
include
the
area
for
the
davis
tannery
from
an
impact
perspective.
Migratory
wall
waterfall
are
well
recognized
for
their
tolerance
to
nearby
urban
presence
and
just
an
example.
The
existing
significant
wildlife
waterfowl
stop
over
in
the
cattle
operator.
You
know
next
to
built
up
areas.
H
My
favorite
spot
is
elevator
bay.
Next
to
the
busy
front
road
and
development.
It's
it's
also
a
significant
waterfall
stopover,
so
they
are
tolerant
so
that
tannery's
not
seeing
his
impact.
A
good
point
to
make,
though,
is
waterfowl
during
their
stopover
period,
use
a
lot
of
do
a
lot
of
their
foraging
content
in
the
sediments
and
because
the
sediments
from
the
tannery
and
around
it
are
contaminated
and
continue
to
be
contaminated.
H
Any
kind
of
effort
to
reduce
that
impact
is
seen
as
a
benefit
to
waterfall.
This
is
but
marion
bonnelli
asked
about
wetland
creation.
Wetland
creation
has
become
extremely
sophisticated
in
the
last
10
years.
Many
of
the
new
wetland
creation
projects
that
have
under
undertaken
actually
have
shown
to
provide
greater
biodiversity
and
better
wetland
features
and
functions
than
existing
sort
of
an
extant
whiteness.
So
it's
certainly
possible
to
produce
something
far
superior
than
what's
being
lost.
G
So
don
had
a
question
about
the
wetland
remediation
possibility,
and
he
pointed
out
correctly
that
there's
contamination
in
the
wetland
extending
down
as
deep
as
four
meters
below
the
ground,
and
one
thing
he
wondered-
was
whether,
if
you
were
to
dam
up
the
river's
edge,
whether
you
could
work
away
in
the
wetland
and
remediate
all
of
that
material,
I
think
it's.
It
would
be
very
difficult
to
do
that,
certainly
extremely
costly,
but
also
in
terms
of
feasibility
and
management.
G
It
would
be
very
difficult
given
the
requirement
to
manage
the
water
that
would
be
infiltrating
into
the
excavation
when
you're
trying
to
dig
in
in
a
water
inundated
area
the
dewatering.
So
it
would
be
quite
quite
a
significant
challenge
there
and
it
would
be
very,
very
disruptive
to
the
area
and
would
pose
a
risk
in
terms
of
possible
escape
of
that
contamination.
G
G
And
so
the
answer
to
that
is
that
we're
looking
at
the
stormwater
that
comes
in
on
the
west
side
of
the
wetland
area
would
in
our
design.
The
preliminary
design
that
we've
come
up
with
would
be
piped
through
underneath
the
cap
in
a
storm
water,
pipe
sort
of
an
extended
stormwater
pipe
and
would
then
discharge
at
the
new
boundary
of
the
of
where
the
of
the
where
the
psw
starts.
G
So
there
wouldn't
be
a
significant
amount
of
of
storm
water
originating
to
the
west
of
the
site
running
over
top
of
the
cap.
The
only
storm
water
running
on
top
of
the
cap
essentially,
would
be
the
rain
that
falls
on
the
cap
itself,
so
there
wouldn't
be
too
much
and
there
wouldn't
be
too
much
of
a
risk
to
damaging
the
cap.
G
It
would
have
a
layer
of
topsoil
and
then
native
plant
species
planted
on
top
of
it
to
for
the
roots,
to
hold
the
top
soil
in
place
and
then
as
well
there'd
be
an
inspection
program
in
perpetuity
to
inspect
the
cap
and
make
sure
that
it
was
staying
in
good
condition
over
time,
and
I
think
that
pretty
well
covers.
I
may
have
missed
something,
but
I
I
think
that
covers
the
bulk
of
don
don's
questions.
F
All
right,
yeah,
thanks
kevin-
I
I
would
say
too,
for
those
listening.
If
there's
specific
comments
such
as
dawns
that
are
highly
detailed,
if
you
do
submit
them,
we
can
look
to
respond
to
those
in
writing
as
well
to
provide
a
greater
level
of
detail.
If
that's
helpful,
rob
was
or
anything
further
you're
going
to
know
okay.
So
there
was
a
question
about
access
to
the
site,
continuation
of
sidewalks
bike
lanes
and
that
type
of
infrastructure.
So
yes,
that
will
be
that
will
be
done.
F
It
will
be
done
through
the
subdivision
and
site
plan
process,
so
it
would
be
a
requirement
from
the
city
to
create
new
sidewalks
to
continue
existing
sidewalks,
the
kmp
trail
connection,
etc,
and
all
that
would
be
required
through
the
through
both
the
subdivision
approval
and
the
site
plan
approval,
so
that
would
be
provided
for.
There
has
been
a
number
of
questions
about
housing,
affordable
housing
impacts,
et
cetera,
and
just
you
know,
being
cognizant
of
the
time.
F
So
the
the
tannery
is
proposed
to
provide
a
full
range
of
market
housing,
I'll,
say
and
and
part
of
the
change
that
happened
in
the
last
few
months
is
to
also
provide
smaller
units
more
affordable
units
in
terms
of
a
greater
range
of
the
housing
product.
That's
available
for
rental,
for
example,
so
smaller
bachelors
that
will
be
an
entry
level
into
that
into
the
housing
market.
You
know,
affordable
housing
partners
such
as
the
city
and
cmhc
usually
have
particular
requirements.
F
You
know
that's
always
an
option
and
discussions
with
housing.
The
housing
department
are
always
on
the
table.
But
again
the
city
also
has
a
number
of
housing
projects
that
they're
focusing
on
both
themselves
and
other
private
partners.
So
I'll
just
I'll,
maybe
leave
it
at
that
for
tonight,
but
I'll
say
a
couple
words.
AZ
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
say
thank
you
to
everybody
for
spending
time
tonight
to
give
us
your
feedback
on
our
project.
I
did
hear
a
lot
of
people
concerned
about
climate
emergency
and
it's
something
that
I
take
seriously
as
well.
The
last
two
buildings
we've
built
are
25
below
the
energy
national
energy
code
requirements.
AZ
The
next
three
that
we
have
planned
are
similar
and
we
anticipate
doing
this
on
this
project
as
well.
I'm
the
largest
provider
of
solar,
rooftop,
solar
in
kingston.
We
anticipate
putting
solar
on
top
of
the
project
we
just
finished
and
we
anticipate
putting
solar.
On
top
of
this,
we've
got
a
number
of
constructive
feedback
from
people
and
we'll
look
to
incorporate
that
into
our
plans
and
see
what
we
can
do
to
to
address
some
of
their
concerns,
and
thank
you,
everybody
for
your
time.
R
Thank
you
too
sorry
thank
you
and
it
is
late.
So
thank
you
and
through
your
chair,
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
from
mr
tao's
comments
about
physical
access
to
the
site.
He
did
mention
how
that
would
be
integrated
through
the
subdivision
and
site
planning
process.
Additionally,
there
would
be
an
extension
to
the
waterfront
trail
as
well
across
the
front
of
the
site,
in
accordance
with
the
waterborne
master
plan
at
the
time
of
the
park
designing
stage,
so
this
site
will
be
fully
integrated
and
connected.
BA
R
Thank
you
and
three
chair.
I
wrote
that
down
as
a
comment
to
bring
up
to
our
stormwater
engineers
as
part
of
the
review,
to
see
if
that
was
addressed,
about
any
sort
of
land,
water
infiltration
from
the
western
side
of
the
site
and
how
that's
being
accounted
for.
I
don't
necessarily
have
an
answer
tonight.
I
would
look
to
mr
patrick
and
his
group
to
see
if
maybe
they
have
a
response.
If
not
that's
what
we
can
look
into
with
our
stormwater
group.
F
Yeah,
so
just
I
guess
quickly
on
that
we
didn't.
We
checked
around
the
room,
and
that
was
a
question
we
had
heard
and
we
actually
didn't
have
an
answer.
So
we
weren't
quite
sure
where
the
or
where
this,
where
the
stormwater
flow
was
coming
from.
There
is
an
outfall,
a
city
outfall
to
the
north
of
the
site,
but
we're
not
aware
of
any
specific
outfall
or
any
other
kind
of
continuous
stream
across
the
site
other
than
that
that
city
outfall
to
the
north.
A
BB
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
what
was
going
on
there,
that
water
that
mr
mcginnis
is
talking
about,
comes
from
eating's
pasture
under
the
road
into
the
site
that
we're
discussing
tonight
and
it's
orange
most
of
the
time.
So
it's
been
a
matter
of
it's
brought
up,
he's
brought
up
to
me
and
I
don't
think
we
ever
got
an
answer
from
that
question.
BC
A
Absolutely
spoken,
like
a
former
chair,
very
good
room.
Thank
you,
okay.
So
the
recess
is
on
we'll
look
forward
to
reconvening
on
the
31st
at
6
p.m.
On
zoom
and
staff,
like
always,
will
be
able
to
facilitate
getting
the
link
out
and
having
individuals
sign
up
and,
like
council
o'neil,
said,
the
continued
process
of
submitting
work.
Oh
there,
it
is
right
there
to
the
senior
planner
or
to
the
committee.
Clerk
is
more
than
welcome,
and
I
want
to
thank
everyone
as
well
for
their
attention
and
their
participation.