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Planning Committee meeting from November 8, 2022. For full meeting agenda visit https://bit.ly/3UoDWz3
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A
Person
speaking
at
the
meeting
are
requested
to
give
their
name
and
address
for
recording
in
the
minutes.
All
names
addresses
opinions
and
comments
may
be
collected
and
may
form
part
of
the
minutes
which
will
be
available
to
the
public.
Additionally,
interested
members
of
the
public
can
email
the
committee
Clerk
or
the
assigned
planner
if
they
wish
to
be
notified.
Regarding
a
particular
application,
questions
regarding
this
collection
should
be
forwarded
to
the
director
of
planning
Services
who's.
Here,
Mr
Park
and
I
realized
speaking
of
Mr
park.
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A
C
A
D
D
Thank
you
well,
first
and
foremost,
thank
you
to
this
planning
committee
for
the
last
four
years
of
your
service.
I
know
you've
had
many
long
nights.
I
will
not
speak
long
tonight
to
help
you
not
have
a
long
one
for
your
final
meeting.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
service
and
tonight
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
Springer
group
of
companies
who
are
purchasing
this
property
from
the
school
board
and
one
of
their
terms
was
to
rezone
the
property
back
into
an
industrial
designation.
D
So,
on
the
slide,
you
can
see
a
community
context
slide
which
shows
that
this
property
is
within
the
Clyde
Business
Park,
and
it's
fairly
close
to
The
Interchange
of
Highway
401
and
Sir
John
A
McDonald.
You
may
know
some
of
the
businesses
in
the
area.
Tim
Hortons
always
comes
to
mind.
It's
the
first
first
one
when
you
enter
the
city
at
this
location,
but
primarily
this
is
a
true
business
park
with
with
business
park
and
Industrial
uses
and
very
few
commercial
uses
in
the
park
next
slide.
D
Please
looking
at
this
slide
now,
we've
we've
moved
into
an
aerial
image
of
the
site
itself,
which
is
a
7.4
hectare
property.
It
has
Frontage
on
Dalton
Avenue
and
it
backs
onto
the
highway,
and
the
property
has
the
existing
Secondary
School,
which
also
contains
Community
facilities
like
there's
a
play
Playhouse
there,
as
well
as
the
the
playing
fields
at
the
back
of
the
facility.
D
Next
slide,
please
what's
unique
about
this
property
is,
is
the
official
plan
designation
and,
and
you
can
see
on
the
screen,
mostly
a
blue
color,
and
that
is
the
general
industrial
designation
within
the
city's
official
plan
and
the
the
the
medium
colored
blue
is
the
city's
Business
Park
industrial
designation.
So
so
the
two
properties
that
essentially
have
Frontage
on
Sir,
John,
A
and
the
401
are
business
park,
properties
that
are
expecting
more
prestigious
Business
Park
uses,
while
the
light
blue
color
is
the
city's
heavier
General
industrial
designation.
D
And
because
this
site
had
the
school
or
has
the
school
on
it,
it
has
a
site-specific
zoning
bylaw
that
allows
the
community
school
and
the
accessory
Community
Center
uses
on
this
site
so
because
it
has
a
site-specific
zoning
on
it,
it
actually
defects
back
to
bylaw
84.99
and
that
existing
zoning
on
the
property
is
quite
restrictive.
It
really
is
Catered
towards
the
school
and
and
its
uses.
So
the
proposal
that's
before
the
committee
tonight,
is
to
bring
this
property
properly
into
the
2022-62
bylaw
next
slide,
please.
D
So
the
proposal
before
the
committee
is
like
I
said
to
bring
it
into
compliance
with
the
new
bylaw
and
there's
no
new
development
proposed
at
this
time.
If
you're
familiar
with
this
building,
you'll
know
that
it
was
a
former
industrial
use
before
it
was
a
school,
so
so
it
it
should
be
a
fairly
easy
retrofit
to
bring
industrial
uses
back
into
the
building.
D
What
we're
seeking
tonight
is
to
bring
it
into
the
M2
Zone
and
to
also
bring
in
the
complementary
uses.
At
the
same
time,
you'll
note
on
this
slide
that
I've
highlighted
a
14
meter
setback
along
the
northern
edge
with
the
highway
and
that's
an
MTO
requirement,
so
we're
just
just
kind
of
highlighting
on
this
slide
some
of
the
changes
that
will
will
result
over
time
as
the
site
redevelops
such
as
the
right
now,
the
school
actually
has
an
entrance
to
the
highway.
That
would
be
abandoned
when
any
Redevelopment
occurs
on
the
site
next
slide.
Please.
D
D
This
is
my
conclusionary
slide
and
I
would
bring
to
the
committee's
attention
that
I
prepared
a
planning
report
that
reviewed
the
official
plan,
the
provincial
policy
statement
and
looked
at
both
Conformity
and
consistency
with
these
documents,
and
we
we
prepared
a
zoning
bylaw
that,
through
technical
comments
with
staff,
has
been
amended
to
the
bylaw.
That's
before
you
this
evening
and
the
site-specific
zoning
that's
proposed
will
bring
this
site
into
Conformity
with
the
official
plan
and
the
existing
school
you'll
see
that
phase
out
over
time.
D
The
school
will
likely
be
there
for
the
rest
of
this
well,
we'll
be
there
for
the
rest
of
this
school
year
and
once
their
new
school
is
built,
you'll
see
the
site
convert
back
to
General
industrial
uses.
So
in
my
opinion,
the
project
represents
good
land,
use,
planning
and
I'd
be
pleased
to
answer
any
questions
of
the
public
or
the
committee.
Thank
you.
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B
B
A
E
Yes,
it
is
counselor
elect
Paul
shaves,
1475
Sierra
Avenue
I,
like
the
proposal
as
as
going
forward,
Mr
Keane.
Just
one
question:
is
there
any
plans
at
all
to
divide
the
lot
into
different,
smaller
Lots
or
you're
planning
on
maintaining
just
the
school
and
renovating
it?
As
is,
and
that's
the
only
question
I
have?
Thank
you.
D
Okay,
well,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
and
thanks
for
coming
this
evening
with
the
questions
at
the
time.
There's
no
development
proposed
and
also
no
plans
to
subdivide
the
lands.
We
certainly
hope
to
attract
some
tenants
to
the
existing
building
and
and
hopefully
better
build
out
the
site
more
thoroughly
in
time,
but
no
no
plans
to
subdivide.
Thank
you.
A
F
I
noticed
that
the
The
Proposal
asked
for
I
mean
I
I,
don't
have
any
real
objections
to
it,
but
it's
a
notice.
It's
allowing
for
25
commercial,
given
that
there
is
the
last
two
studies
of
private
commercial
Supply
in
Kingston
show
we
had
a
surf
at
where's,
the
advantage
to
the
city
of
allowing
this
25
commercial
designation.
D
D
So
the
the
intent
with
bringing
the
complementary
uses
in
now
is
actually
in
line
with
the
policies
of
the
official
plan
that
allow
that
that
25
percent
complementary,
certainly
more
commercial
in
nature,
uses
within
the
business
parks,
and
that
really
in,
in
my
opinion,
is
to
allow
the
business
Parks
to
be
more
self-sustainable.
You
know
such
as,
if
you,
if
you
go
out
for
lunch
in
this
business
park
right
now,
your
options
are
Tim
Hortons
or
you're
you're
driving
a
little
further
down
the
road
to
the
other
end
of
Dalton
Avenue,
for
example.
D
So
by
allowing
some
of
the
commercial
uses
at
a
limitation
of
25
percent
of
the
gross
floor
area,
it
does
provide
for
that
more
complete
Park.
So
let's
say
you
know,
you
had
a
physiotherapist
appointment
and
if
you
had
your
physiotherapist
was
in
be
very
close
to
the
place
where
you
work,
you
may
actually
be
able
to
walk
within
your
business
park
rather
than
driving
to
the
under
other
end
of
the
city.
So
that's
the
reason
for
the
permission
and
the
official
plan
and
and
the
reason
we're
we're
seeking
that
holistic
Amendment
this
evening.
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G
G
A
A
and
we'll
look
for
an
approval
of
the
agenda.
We
have
addeds
here
and
also
we
have
a
request
from
the
director
of
planning
to
add
one
business
item
under
other
business
nearer
to
the
end
of
the
meeting.
So
with
that
said,
I'll
look
for
a
mover
and
a
Shaker
encounter
Neil's
words:
councilor
Hill
councilor
Hutchison,
all
those
in
favor
alrighty,
very
good
confirmation
of
minutes
from
November
3rd,
a
mover
and
secondary
councilor
Hill
Council
Deputy
Mayor
Chappelle.
H
H
Yes,
I
had
considered
declaring
as
a
a
conflict
and
withdrawing
from
the
the
pre
the
only
debate
tonight
but
I
didn't
because,
although
elected
I
don't
officially
take
a
position
on
the
board
until
next
week
when
I
get
sworn
in
so
I
at
this
point
in
time,
it's
my
understanding,
having
spoken
briefly
to
a
lawyer
that
I
don't
have
a
conflict
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clear.
Thank.
A
A
Okay
yep.
Thank
you.
I'll,
look
for
any
other
disclosures
at
this
point,
seeing
none.
There
are
no
delegations
or
briefings
and
we're
back
to
7-Eleven
Dalton.
We
heard
a
presentation
a
moment
ago.
So
at
this
point,
unless
the
clerk
thinks
I'm
out
of
order
here,
we
can
just
move
directly
into
committee.
Deliberation.
A
Right,
okay,
I'm
glad
I
checked,
so
we
will
do
questions
from
committee
and
then,
if
anyone
remains
on
the
line
from
the
members
of
the
public
who
would
like
to
explore
it
further,
we
can
do
that
too.
So.
Committee
members.
Would
anyone
like
to
say
anything
about
Dalton,
okay,
seeing
none
on
Zoom
land?
How
are
you
doing?
I
So
the
purpose
of
this
application
is
to
permit
the
adaptive
reuse
of
the
existing
building
at
365
Nelson
Street
for
a
24
bed,
emergency
shelter
for
Youth
and
accessory
support
services
and
office
space
for
the
Kingston
Youth
Shelter
organization.
The
effect
will
be
the
application
of
a
site-specific
exception
to
the
modify
the
urban
residential
13
Zone
under
the
Citywide
Kingston
zoning
bylaw
to
permit
special
needs
facility
use
and
to
recognize
existing
non-compliance
with
respect
to
the
existing
building,
setbacks
and
planting
strip
requirements
and
I
should
know.
I
In
addition
to
the
requested
zoning
Amendment
site
plan,
approval
is
required
to
permit
the
development
and
an
application
is
currently
there's
undergoing
a
technical
review
at
this
time.
Next
slide,
please,
the
location
of
the
property
is
centrally
located
in
the
urban
boundary,
where
the
majority
of
growth
and
development
is
directed
to
achieve
sustainable
development
goals.
In
our
official
plan,
the
site
is
connected
to
Municipal
Water
and
Sewer
services
and
an
existing
built
up
area.
It
has
Frontage
on
on
an
arterial
road
with
bus
transit
service,
it's
connected
to
sidewalks
and
active
Transportation
connections.
I
I
So
the
application,
the
proposals
submitted
by
IBI
group
on
behalf
of
Kingston
Youth
Shelter,
proposes
primarily
an
internal
conversion
of
the
existing
building
to
include
an
updated,
fully
accessible
shelter
facility
for
vulnerable
youth,
including
24
beds,
as
well
as
offices
for
General
Administration,
and
for
staff
that
provide
family
mediation
and
housing,
support
and
employment.
Support
Services
to
youth,
staying
at
the
shelter
and
to
highlight,
since
the
public
meeting,
there
have
been
some
access
and
parking
area
enhancements
to
the
site,
design
in
response
to
technical
review
and
public
comments.
I
It's
hard
to
see,
but
there's
a
a
square
to
the
south
of
the
building
there
with
a
dotted
pattern
on
it,
which
is
intended
an
area
that
Kingston
Youth
Shelter
is
looking
at.
Locating
a
community
garden.
They
look
to
partner
with
other
community
organizations
that
specialize
in
food
awareness
and
production
so
that
that
can
be,
and
this
will
ultimately
activate
this
side
of
the
site
which
is
currently
under
utilized
next
slide.
I
Please
so
five
pieces
of
written
correspondence
have
been
received
and
five
members
of
the
public
provided
oral
submissions
at
the
public
meeting.
There's
a
full
summary
of
the
correspondence
in
the
staff
report
before
committee
and
along
with
original
submissions,
as
well
as
an
additional
piece
of
Correspondence
on
the
addendum
tonight.
These
are
the
sort
of
key
areas
of
Interest
organized
by
theme.
These
included
parking
and
traffic
safety.
I
I
Comments
that
are
based
on
assumptions
regarding
a
development's
intended
user
are
not
considered
as
part
of
the
evaluation
of
a
planning
application,
such
as
a
zoning
Amendment
application,
because
fundamentally
it's
contrary
to
the
Human
Rights
Code,
to
deny
a
planning
application
based
on
assumptions
regarding
a
development's
intended
user
next
slide.
Please.
I
I
The
safety
of
crossing
at
Nelson,
Street
and
Concession
Street
upgrades
such
as
additional
traffic
lights
and
pedestrian
Crossing
upgrades
are
outside
of
the
scope
of
this
application,
but
the
city
of
Kingston
transportation
services
has
relayed
that
is
part
of
their
comprehensive
planning
process
that
there
are
some
improvements
planned
in
the
vicinity,
just
one
block
over
potentially
at
King's
Court
and
Concession,
Street
or
Fergus,
and
Concession
Street,
which
will
provide
a
controlled
pedestrian
Crossing
to
Transit
stops
in
the
memorial
Center
in
the
future.
There
was
a
recent
report
to
Council
on
this
next
slide.
Please.
I
Several
questions
were
raised
at
the
public
meeting
about
the
amenity
space
proposed
on
the
south
side
of
the
building
is
one
of
the
sort
of
exterior
changes
to
the
site.
The
applicant
is
proposing
an
at-grade
patio
be
provided
that
would
be
approximately
150
square
meters,
and
this
would
be
fenced
to
allow
privacy
for
the
occupants
of
the
building,
using
the
space
and
and
also
in
turn
for
surrounding
land
uses
and
details
of
that
fencing
will
be
refined
through
the
site
plan,
control,
detailed
design
process
next
slide.
Please.
I
So
through
the
the
submission
following
the
public
meeting,
the
applicant
has
included
some
additional
windows
on
the
facade
in
the
location
of
the
existing
garage
door.
There's
some
windows
proposed
they're
shown
on
this
slide
that
will
increase
some
visibility
to
the
parking
area.
There's
also,
some
windows
proposed
two
additional
Windows
facing
out
onto
the
amenity
area
and
in
terms
of
exterior
enhancements.
The
the
applicant
has
expressed
a
desire
to
to
make
improvements
when
feasible,
in
collaboration
with
youth
staying
at
the
shelter
they're,
understandably
focusing
on
the
internal
design
conversion.
I
At
this
point
with
respect
to
lighting
the
application
materials
indicate
that
downward
facing
lighting
will
be
provided
at
building
entrances
and
adjacent
to
the
parking
lot
to
enhance
safety
and
details
with
respect
to
lighting
will
be
reviewed
further
through
site
plan
control
as
well.
Next
slide.
Please.
I
I
So
in
conclusion,
or
as
described
in
much
greater
detail
in
the
in
the
staff
report
before
committee,
the
recommendation
is
for
approval.
The
zoning
Amendment
facilitates
the
use
of
an
existing
building
and
underutilized
property
centrally
located
in
the
urban
boundary
on
full
Municipal
Services,
which
represents
an
efficient
form
of
sustainable
development.
The
facility
is
located
in
proximity
to
complementary
Community
facilities
and
will
support
the
projected
needs
of
the
local
homelessness,
Services
System
and
through
the
plans
and
submitted
technical
reports.
I
If
this
zoning
amendment
is
approved,
the
next
steps
would
be
the
continued
processing
of
the
site
plan.
Control
application,
which
addresses
detailed
design
matters
and
a
building
permit,
will
also
be
required
for
the
internal
conversion
of
the
building,
which
would
be
able
to
be
issued
after
the
approval
of
site
plan
control
and
next
slide
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Staff
from
housing
are
also
in
attendance,
I
believe
as
well
as
the
applicant
test,
Guild
crisp
from
IBI
group
and
Ann
Brown
from
the
Kingston
Youth
Shelter.
Thank.
A
H
Thank
you
very
much.
This
is
my
I.
Have
no
I
think
the
planning
and
the
design
and
the
applications
for
for
this
project
are
great
and
I
will
be
supporting
the
project.
I
just
wanted
to
make
note
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
housing
is
represented
here
tonight,
as
well
as
as
planning
and
I
I've
made
this
point
before,
but
because
this
is
my
last
meeting,
I
won't
have
a
chance
to
make
it
again.
H
So,
just
like
years
ago,
all
of
our
subsidized
housing
was
located
in
the
North
End
and
clearly
that
was
a
mistake.
Today
we
spread
out
Mixed,
affordable
housing.
For
now,
it
seems
to
me
that
most
of
the
shelters,
if
not
all,
are
are
concentrated
in
the
core
of
the
city
and
I
have
no
objection
to
shelters
being
in
King's
Court,
where
I
live
or
Williamsville,
where
I
lived
and
represented
for
years.
H
My
concern
is
that,
as
we
continue
to
approve
more
and
more
shelters
in
the
core
of
the
city,
it's
going
to
become
unfortunate
in
the
future,
because
we
are
just
as
we
should
spread
the
wealth.
We
should
also
spread
the
the
housing
when
it
comes
to
affordable
housing
or
shelters.
So
I
would
just
be
thankful,
since
this
is
my
final
kick
at
this.
H
Can
if,
if
planning
and
housing
can
make
note
of
the
fact
that
we
really
should
be
spreading
the
locations
around
so
far,
there
have
been
comments
made
from
King's
Court
in
Williamsville,
not
complaining
about
the
existing
shelters
and
not
even
suggesting
that
we
should
never
have
shelters
but
pointing
out
that
we
seem
to
have
the
majority
vast
majority
of
of
shelters
and
I
look
forward
to
hearing
councilor
hutchison's
comments
because
he's
the
other
his
district
I
think
may
be
affected
similarly
to
King's
Gordon
Williamsville.
So
thank
you.
A
J
So
there's
a
bit
of
synergy
there
by
being
in
the
same
location
or
a
relatively
similar
location,
and
when
the
other
thing
that
we
think
about
too
is
when
an
individual
has
difficulties
at
one
facility,
they
can
transfer
to
another
facility
where
they
might
be
able
to
to
work
there,
and
that
happens
between
you
know
the
Hub
in
from
the
Cold
War
centers.
So
yeah
there's.
Definitely
it's
if
there's
there's
two
sides
for
sure,
but
thank
you.
I'll.
Take
that
comment
back
to.
A
H
K
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
chair,
planning,
Services
has
talked
at
length
about
appropriate
locations
for
these,
with
our
housing
providers
as
well
as
Housing
Services,
and
we
understand
that
there
is
both
Place
considerations
as
well
as
access
to
service
considerations
so
being
on
appropriate
transit
in
areas
where
it's
very
accessible,
as
well
as
being
near
the
support
services
that
the
youth
need
are
both
important
considerations.
The
way
the
City
Zoning
was
previously
structured
is
that
a
crisis
care
shelter,
which
is
what
this
is
called
under.
K
The
old
zoning
bylaws
as
well,
was
really
only
allowed
as
of
right
in
the
downtown
area
zones.
It
wasn't
really
contemplated
in
other
parts
of
the
city
and
that's
also
a
result
of
our
official
plan.
So
when
we're
looking
at
updating
our
policy,
this
is
a
section
that
we
will
spend
time
on
to
understand
and
see
what
is
being
implemented
in
other
cities,
best
practices
in
order
to
bring
forward
a
really
more
comprehensive
housing
strategy
when
it
comes
to
shelter
and
Sheltering
services.
A
L
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
through
you,
yeah,
thanks
dedrickson,
for
mentioning
about
and
putting
in
the
report
about
the
exterior
lighting
so
like
I.
Don't
want
this
to
have
to
be
bumped
up
to
site
plan,
I'm
just
happy
that
it's
mentioned
in
the
report
that
you
know,
exterior
lighting
will
definitely
be
looked
at
as
part
of
the
site
plan
process.
L
A
M
L
A
L
I'll
just
say
for
one
comment:
counselor
Neil
I
am
sorry
to
disagree
with
you
for
affordable
housing
yeah.
Definitely
that
can
be
spread
right
across
the
city,
but
when
it
comes
to
the
youth
shelters,
you
have
to
like
put
yourself
in
the
case
of
these
poor
kids
that
are
then
on
the
street
from
nine
in
the
morning
until
8
pm
at
night.
They
need
access
to
food
at
lunch
and
food
at
dinner
and
Martha
table
is
downtown
that
provides
lunch
and
Mayan
Hearts
is
in
multiple
locations
downtown
for
dinner.
L
If
they
were
in
the
West
End,
you
know,
there's
no
food
for
them
and
it
makes
a
really
long
day
from
eight
in
the
morning
or
nine
in
the
morning,
until
8
PM
in
the
elements
and
minus
30
degree
weather
at
least
this
way,
there's
opportunities
for
them
throughout
the
day
to
to
eat
and
to
warm
up.
So
that's
just
my
two
cents.
Putting
myself
in
the
eye
of
the
clients.
A
And
it's
beautiful
to
think
of
the
people
we're
serving
definitely,
but
let's
just
keep
it
to
planning
only
because
that
can
quickly
devolve,
but
thank
you,
councilor
Sanic
I'll,
look
for
others
at
this
point
and
counselor
Neil
I
do
see
you.
We
can
come
back
to
round
two
in
a
moment
but
to
give
our
colleagues
an
opportunity
seeing
councilor
Hutchison.
F
F
We
know
those
services
are
allowed
in
the
downtown
area
and
not
always
appearing
in
all
parts
of
the
downtown,
but
are
mildly,
but
I
thought
he
said
you
seem
to
imply
that
that
was
not
contemplated
in
other
parts
of
the
Amalgamated,
City
and
so
I
know.
We
have
a
policy
that
says
we'll
spread
of
four
blouses
throughout
the
city
and
I
took
it
to
mean
that
meant,
use,
shelters
and
the
like
as
well,
for
instance,
nowhere
near
the
downtown
now.
So
how
are
those
two
elements
reflected
in
policy.
K
Thank
you,
and
through
you
chair,
it's
a
good
question,
councilor
Hutcherson,
so
thank
you
for
asking
it.
The
the
real
aim
of
this
city
through
the
working
staff
are
doing
unaffordable.
Housing
is,
is
to
look
at
the
entire
Spectrum.
So
when
we're
talking
typically
about
affordable
housing,
we're
talking
about
you
know
things
through
Housing
Services,
which
could
be
cmhd
subsidized
80.
You
know
Market
rent.
K
So
it's
just
a
it's
a
product
of
our
official
plan
in
some
cases
where
it
says
this
is
a
lot
as
of
right.
In
other
words,
it
says
it
can
be
considered
other
places,
but
it
has
to
meet
these
specific
criteria
and
that's
the
work
that
we've
done
in
evaluating
this
location.
To
permit
this
shelter
here
is
that
it
has
met
the
locational
criteria
for
this
community
facility.
F
K
Thanks
and
through
your
chair,
yes,
given
the
Criterion
the
official
plan,
it
can
be
considered
in
other
parts
of
the
city
as
well,
given
the
evaluation
criteria,
that's
within
the
official
plan.
So
if
one
was
to
be
considered
in
the
East
end
or
West
end
or
in
Lakeside
Ward,
there
would
be
criteria
that
it
could
meet.
K
But
if
we
think
broadly
about
what
we've
done
with
the
new
zoning
bylaw
as
well
as
we've
increased
permissions
for
specific
emergency
style,
housing
or
group
housing
as
well,
which
has
allowed
more
broadly
throughout
the
city,
so
we
are
starting
to
expand
our
housing
Continuum
and
how
we
treat
different
levels
of
affordable
housing.
But
what
we
really
have
to
do
is
get
at
the
official
plan
through
the
next
update
to
really
help
us
consider
the
broader
housing
Spectrum
in
a
more
wholesome
manner.
K
I
wish
I
had
a
crystal
ball
and
could
go
back
in
time
to
understand
how
our
policy
has
evolved,
but
we
are
working
with
what
we
have
now
and
there's
no
hard
restriction
to
consider
this
exact
type
of
Crisis
Care
shelter
in
other
parts
of
the
city.
We
would
just
have
to
look
at
it
and
say:
is
this
the
appropriate
location
for
given
the
policy
that
we
have
in
place
and
the
zoning
that
regulates
it.
F
A
H
Thank
you
very
much
I'm
not
used
to
using
my
phone
for
meetings
and
which
I've
been
forced
to
do
just
I
just
want
to
make
it
really
really
clear.
A
counselor
Rosanna
mentioned
that
implied
anyway.
That
I
was
opposed
to
this
and
I
said
right
from
the
start.
I'm
supporting
this
proposal,
I
support
it
totally
I
will
vote
for
it.
H
L
L
A
A
I'll
just
Echo
the
support
here
and
say
that
I
think
a
lot
of
the
considerations
that
were
brought
up
by
the
public
have
been
well
addressed,
and
that
is
reflected
in
the
report
as
well.
So
if
any
members
of
the
public
do
hear
this
and
can't
participate
now,
but
can
go
back
and
check
that
out,
I
hope
they
do
so
I'll
vote
in
favor,
I.
A
B
B
O
Hi
this
is
Paula
Brooks
at
387,
Nelson
Street
Brandon
was
nice
enough
to
send
me
a
link.
I
have
a
little
bit
on
the
question
and
I
apologize.
My
ears
are
blocked,
so
if
it's
already
been
covered,
it's
just
my
bad.
My
ears
are
blocked,
so
my
hearing's
a
little
bit
muffled
with
this
zoning
being
passed.
Is
it
sort
of
like
we're
talking
about
the
school
I
know
it's
two
separate
things,
but
it
was
site
specific
zoning.
O
So
if,
at
some
point
in
time
the
building
was
no
longer
designated
as
a
Youth
Shelter,
then
that
the
zoning
would
go
back
to
what
it
preview
it
was
so
sort
of
like
how
the
school
was
just
as
a
safety
Gap,
because
with
with
some
things
that
have
gone
on
in
the
neighborhood
and
building,
the
zoning
would
be
changed
and
somebody
else
bought
the
property
and
things
like
that,
so
just
as
a
safety
net,
just
to
make
sure
like
I'm
just
curious
on
that.
Please-
and
thank
you.
I
Thank
you
for
the
question.
The
site-specific
zoning
that
that
will
be
applied
introduces
a
special
needs
facility
use
as
an
additional
permitted
use,
but
the
same
uses
permitted
in
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood
would
continue
to
apply.
So
if,
for
whatever
reason,
Kingston
Youth
Shelter
didn't
require
the
building
anymore,
the
building
could
be
used
for
any
of
the
uses
currently
permitted
in
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood,
which
include
low
density
forms
of
housing.
There
are
some
Community
facilities
that
are
permitted
like
a
community
center
or
or
even
a
school.
A
Thank
you
and
I
actually
broke
our
own
rules
here.
Usually
we
compile
the
questions
and
then
have
the
planner
respond,
but
that
was
my
prompt
and
my
bad.
So
if
the
member
of
the
public
did
have
other
questions,
what
we'll
do
is
hear
from
you
and
then
after
a
few
members
of
the
public,
the
planner
or
staff
can
respond
on
some.
A
C
P
A
I
Thank
you
through
you,
Mr
chair
and,
and
thank
you
for
the
question.
I
can
clarify
the
technical
review
of
the
zoning
amendment
has
been
completed
and
staff
have
brought
forward
a
recommendation
on
the
zoning
Amendment
application.
It's
the
site
plan
control
application
that
addresses
matters
of
detailed
design
like
fencing
and
exterior
lighting,
pedestrian
functionality
of
access
to
the
site
line
painting
on
the
parking
area.
A
A
A
Q
Planning
committee
through
you
Mr
chair,
I'm,
presenting
a
recommendation
for
approval
for
a
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
and
draft
plan
of
subdivision
at
9
50
to
9
56,
Woodhaven,
Drive
and
3028
Princess
Street.
A
public
meeting
was
held
on
May
4th
2022.
As
part
of
this
presentation.
I
will
summarize
the
updates
to
the
plans,
since
the
public
meeting
and
responses
to
some
of
the
matters
raised
through
public
correspondence
and
at
the
public
meeting
next
slide.
Please.
Q
Q
Q
The
site
is
located
within
the
urban
boundary
and
Municipal
Water
and
Sewer
services
are
available
to
the
sites.
At
this
time
there
are
no
Kingston
Transit
stops
near
to
the
site,
although
Kingston
Transit
does
have
plans
for
a
nearby
route
in
the
future.
The
nearby
Frontage
along
Princess
Street,
currently
does
not
contain
sidewalks,
but
both
sides
of
Woodhaven
Drive
does
currently
have
sidewalks
these
storm
water
Pond
area
to
the
north
also
provide
some
opportunities
for
pedestrian
connectivity
and
open
space
access.
Q
The
tree
inventory
submitted
with
the
application
confirms
there
are
53
trees
on
site,
all
of
which
will
need
to
be
removed
for
the
proposed
development.
The
applicant
has
proposed
some
preliminary
landscaping
and
will
be
required
to
include
a
landscaping
plan
in
the
final
plan
of
subdivision
application,
which
will
provide
further
details
on
replacement
plantings
next
slide.
Please,
the
proposed
zoning
Amendment
would
permit
development
of
35
three-story
townhouse
dwellings
through
a
plan
of
subdivision.
The
townhouses
are
to
be
divided
onto
seven
blocks,
with
the
intent
to
further
divide
the
townhouses
onto
individual
Lots.
Q
The
development
also
contains
a
private
roadway,
storm
water
management
area,
communal
amenity
area
and
visitor
parking
area,
which
will
all
be
held
through
the
common
elements
condominium.
The
condominium
framework
will
provide
the
townhouse
owners
with
access
to
the
common
elements,
as
well
as
share
the
responsibility
to
maintain
and
upkeep
those
elements.
Q
The
Proposal
contains
a
range
of
unit
options,
including
two
and
three
bedroom
units.
10
of
the
townhouse
units
will
be
back
to
back
units
and
do
not
have
rear
yards,
and
the
remaining
25
townhouses
will
have
rear
yards
with
private
decks
next
slide.
Please,
six
pieces
of
written
correspondence
have
been
received
and
two
members
of
the
public
provided
oral
submissions
at
the
public
meeting.
A
full
summary
in
response
to
the
correspondence
is
included
in
the
comprehensive
report
and
original
submissions
are
included
as
an
exhibit
and
in
the
addendum
to
this
evening's
agenda.
Q
Based
on
the
correspondence
and
the
discussions
at
planning
at
public
meeting,
the
following
areas
of
Interest
were
identified:
the
first
being
Zone
selection
and
relief
requested
from
the
Kingston
zoning
bylaw
various
aspects
relating
to
parking,
the
design
and
function
of
the
private
roadway
potential
adverse
impacts
of
noise
and
the
proposed
storm
water
management
of
the
site.
Next
slide,
please.
Q
So
the
urb-
you
are
three
point:
B
Zone
was
selected
as
it
best
reflects
the
proposal
submitted
by
the
applicant
The
Zone
permits
for
a
range
of
ground-oriented
residential
dwellings
and
is
commonly
used
in
similar
subdivisions
in
the
city
of
Kingston.
As
for
a
relief
from
the
Kingston
zoning
bylaw,
the
development
was
first
proposed
under
the
former
zoning
bylaw
7626,
which
was
repealed
and
replaced
by
the
current
zoning
bylaw.
Q
The
Kingston
zoning
bylaw
may
be
amended,
subject
to
council
approval
for
any
uses
and
developments
which
are
consistent
with
the
official
plan
and
the
provincial
policy
statement.
Next
slide.
Please,
the
second
area
of
Interest
around
parking
there
was
concern
expressed
that
there
would
be
no
accessible
parking
spaces
included
in
the
visitor
parking
area
at
the
Northeast
end
of
the
site.
So
it
is
expected
that
all
accessible
parking
needs
will
be
accommodated
on
the
individual
driveways
for
the
townhouse
units.
Q
Q
The
form
and
function
of
the
private
road
was
another
area
of
Interest
raised
through
the
public
correspondence
and
at
the
public
meeting.
One
question
was
around
maintenance
and
snow
removal.
The
maintenance
of
the
private
roads
will
be
the
collective
responsibility
of
the
owners
through
the
condominium
Corporation
and
the
applicant
will
be
required
to
provide
additional
details
on
snow
removal
and
storage.
The
final
plan
of
subdivision
application,
another
questions
related
to
emergency
access.
Q
The
roadway
is
only
six
meters
wide
which
just
allows
for
a
vehicle
traveling
in
either
direction
and
those
thinner
travel
Lanes.
Generally
encourages
slower
traffic
speeds
and
staff
can
also
take
a
look
at
further
traffic
calming
measures
through
the
final
plan
of
subdivision
application,
if
necessary.
Q
The
noise
consultant
who
conducted
the
original
noise
study
used
the
same
formula
to
predict
these
sound
levels
at
the
neighbor's
dwelling.
The
findings
indicate
that
there's
no
discernible
difference
in
sound
levels.
Whether
or
not
the
acoustic
fence
is
put
in
place
in
the
worst
case
scenario,
where
the
acoustic
fence
is
100
percent,
reflective,
The,
Sound,
Lab,
the
sound
levels
in
the
neighbor's
side
yard
are
calculated
to
be
the
same,
and
the
sound
level
would
only
increase
by
one
decibel
in
the
rear
yard,
which
is
considered
negligible.
Q
Q
So,
lastly,
the
city
has
received
comments
relating
to
the
storm
water
management
of
the
site.
The
comments
have
been
reviewed
by
storm
water
review
staff,
who
can
they
confirmed
actually
that
they
already
intended
to
clarify
several
of
the
same
points
through
the
technical
review
of
the
final
plan
of
subdivision
application?
Q
Q
The
development
is
anticipated
to
be
compatible
with
the
existing
neighborhood
and
will
not
cause
any
adverse
impacts
to
neighboring
land
uses.
The
proposed
zoning
bile
amendment
is
consistent
with
the
provincial
policy
statement
and
conforms
to
the
city
of
Kingston
official
plan.
Ing
Services
therefore
recommend
approval
of
the
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
and
draft
plan
of
subdivision
for
950
to
956,
Woodhaven,
Drive
and
3028
Princess
Street
next
slide.
L
About
this
I
don't
know
where
to
start,
let's
see,
okay
for
the
50
three
trees
that
are
being
removed.
Does
okay,
the
owner
of
this
property?
Is
it
where
he
also
owns
3028,
Princess
Street
or
what's
the
the
block
like
the
in
the
report
somewhere
I
don't
have
two
screens
right
now,
what
block
does
does
the
report
say
that
the
owner
also
owns?
Q
L
L
And
so
like
we
couldn't
save
any
of
the
trees
in
in
that
area
like
I.
Just
cannot
believe
that
all
53
trees
need
to
be
cut
down.
I
I
just
can't
get
over
that,
and
so
that's
why
I'm
trying
to
picture
like
if
there's
no
hoes
going
in
the
the
area
like
why
we're
saying
go
ahead
and
cut
down
all
these
trees.
K
Things
interviewed
chair
just
building
off
what
Mr
Peggy
has
outlined
so
far.
Yes,
there
are
trees
to
be
removed
from
this
site
as
well
as
3028
Princess
Street,
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
establish
the
basis
of
land
use
that
is
before
us,
and
if
we
look
at
the
site
plan
for
this
development,
there
is
a
real,
comprehensive
Redevelopment
of
this
property.
That
also
includes
the
relocation
of
that
high
grade
Creek
tributary
and
that's
been
done
in
conservation
or
in
consultation
with
the
crca
to
look
at
that
appropriate
rerouting.
K
But
the
extent
of
development
on
this
site
is
rather
comprehensive.
So
looking
at
opportunities
to
save
existing
trees
on
this
site
with
the
current
development
proposal,
that's
in
front
of
us
isn't
feasible,
so
the
applicant
through
this
application,
will
have
to
look
at
two
key
elements
when
looking
at
the
tree,
removal
they'll
have
to
examine
where
they
can
place.
K
So
just
given
the
the
amount
of
Redevelopment
that's
happening
on
the
site
which
staff
have
examined
and
looked
at
and
and
find
to
be
appropriate,
given
the
location
of
the
site
and
the
intensity
of
use
that
was
proposed.
Unfortunately,
we
aren't
able
to
find
locations
on
site
in
order
to
maintain
those
trees.
If
we're
looking
at
the
the
proposal
and,
what's
before
us
today,.
L
K
Through
your
chair,
yes,
that's
correct,
we
don't
know
the
exact
details
at
this
time,
a
lot
of
that's
going
to
have
to
be
taken
into
consideration
at
the
detailed
design
stage,
because
we'll
have
to
look
at
locating
those
trees
in
appropriate
sections
with
the
infrastructure
that's
proposed
for
the
development
as
well,
both
underground
and
at
grade,
currently
on
the
concept
plan,
which
is
exhibit
J
in
the
report.
There
are
18
trees
noted.
K
We
went
through
this
as
well
with,
if
you
remember,
I,
think
it's
1752
Bath
Road,
that
was
a
10
story.
Building
that
was
approved
a
planning
committee
or
two
ago,
where
the
comments
from
forestry
came
in
and
and
at
the
detailed
design
stage,
they're
going
to
be
looking
for
them
to
plant
a
one-to-one
replacement
for
the
trees
that
they're
removing
from
the
site,
because
there
is
that
opportunity
there
councilor
rosenic.
That
is
the
one
where
they
had
those
like
kind
of
unique
and
different
trees
in
the
front
of
the
property.
L
They
got
a
very
small
median
in
the
parking
lot
of
nothing
but
asphalt
and
concrete,
and
this
really
nice
tree
growing
in
the
center
there.
So
you
know
things
are
possible
and
look
what
we
were
proposing
for
the
Tannery
lands
right,
even
with
that
the
protective
casing
you
know
and
just
a
few
inches
two
feet
of
fill.
They
had
proposed
all
those
trees.
You
know
for
the
four
Apartments
going
at
the
Tannery
lands.
L
L
Putting
a
fence
at
as
a
requirement
of
this
development,
which
would
be
princess
and
Woodhaven
since
they're
going
to
be
cutting
down
all
the
trees
in
that
block
I,
guess
that
would
be
block
10
I
think
it
is
right
and
if
we
can
put
a
fence
there
so
that
people
aren't
cutting
through
3038
Princess
Street
cutting
cutting
through
there.
That
was
written
in
the
comments
and
I.
Don't
see
what
page
that
answer
is.
Thank
you.
Q
Thank
you
and
through
Mr
chair,
yes,
counselor
Sanic,
that's
a
very
good
point
and
again
something
that
we
can
absolutely
take
a
look
at
through
the
detailed
design
of
the
site
through
the
draft
plan
of
of
or
excuse
me
through.
The
final
plan
of
subdivision
fencing
wouldn't
necessarily
be
an
aspect
that
we
would
capture
through
zoning.
But
it's
absolutely
something
that
we
can
look
through
at
that
final
plan
of
subdivision.
L
Q
R
L
K
Thanks
and
through
you,
through
your
chair
and
through
the
detailed
design
stage,
if
there
is
concern
about
the
geotechnical
stability
of
the
site,
one
could
be
requested
in
fulfillment
of
complete
application.
However,
that
is
really
a
building
permit
consideration
for
most
sites
in
order
to
determine
the
appropriate
building
permit
responses,
that's
where
the
consultant
would
examine
the
type
of
foundation
and
works
that
would
go
into
the
buildings
in
order
for
them
to
be
stabilized
on
site.
F
It's
very
coherent
and
cogent
letter
about
the
technicalities
involved
with
this
site
and
so
much
I'm
really
concerned
that
we
need
to
look
at
whether
this
storm
water
management
is
feasible,
and
so
this
is
more
than
what
was
just
mentioned
about.
This
involves
the
storm
management
management
plan
and
I
thought.
That
was
a
requirement
for
every
development,
and
so
the
question
is:
why
doesn't
it
exist?
Why
is
there
no
geotechnical
report
in
relationship
to
the
storm?
F
The
slightly
the
pipes
allowing
for
drainage
are
too
high
or
too
low.
Depending
on
you
want
to
look
at
it
at
each
end.
So
they're
not
going
to
drain
properly
I
mean
I,
don't
know
how
much
more
serious
it
has
to
get
and
it
drains
into
a
ditch,
which
is
shared
partly
by
the
principality,
a
municipal
ditch.
So
that
seems
to
me
very
clearly
a
storm
water
management
problem
which
I
don't
think
the
city
should
just
like
go
by.
F
Q
The
stormwater
management
team
at
the
city,
I
I,
sat
down
with
them
today
again
to
take
a
look
at
the
public
comments
that
were
submitted,
and
they
have
confirmed
again
that
they
are
satisfied
that
the
storm
water
management
plan
is
is
feasible
for
the
zoning
and
draft
plan
of
subdivision
for
the
site
and
again
that
those
more
technical
details
would
be
handled
through
the
final
plan
of
subdivision
stage.
But
at
this
point
in
time
they
have
not
identified
any.
S
K
That
is
needed
to
support
the
site,
which
includes
the
final
design
of
all
the
storm.
Water
management
works.
As
Mr
Peggy
pointed
out,
it
has
been
reviewed
by
City
stormwater
staff,
who
are
comfortable
moving
this
forward
to
the
next
stage
and
in
order
to
enter
into
those
detailed
design
discussions
through
final
Planet
subdivision.
So
both
the
conservation,
Authority
and
City
stormwater
are
satisfied
with
the
works
presented
to
date
on
stormwater.
F
F
The
pipes
are
not
at
the
depth
that
there
are
normally
required
by
our
own
City
policies,
their
at
least
six
inches
but
I.
Think
more
above,
where
there's
supposed
to
be
they're
supposed
to
be
a
four
feet
or
1.2
meters
and
they're.
Not
now
I
was
in
charge
of
the
development
that
had
that
done,
and
you
have
to
blast
it
out
and
get
it
down.
F
F
F
K
Sure,
thanks
and
through
you
chair,
councilor,
Hutchison
and
I,
guess:
I
guess
the
the
same
kind
of
thinking
back.
This
isn't
really
based
on
good
faith.
This
is
based
on
technical
principles
and
planning.
This
development
can't
proceed.
Past
final
Planet
subdivision
through
to
a
building
permit
unless
the
technical
details
are
resolved.
So
the
approval
tonight
is
just
one
step
in
the
process
and
they
still
have
to
go
forward
through
final
plan
of
subdivision
and
if
they
do
not
satisfy
the
city's
requirements
for
final
plan
of
subdivision,
then
they
can't
proceed.
K
They
wouldn't
get
that
final
planning
approval
and
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
move
forward
to
you
know
a
building
permit
stage,
so
all
City
technical
requirements,
including
engineering.
You
know,
zoning
conformance
in
accordance
with
planning
any
permitting
from
the
conservation
Authority.
That
also
has
to
be
dealt
with
and
that's
what
we
do
through
the
final
plan
of
subdivision
stage,
because
after
they
get
their
preliminary
approval
to
say
you
know.
K
Yes,
we
do
feel
confident
that
the
basis
of
land
use
here
so
the
the
townhouses
and
back
to
back
town
houses
and
all
the
zoning
Provisions
that
go
along
with
that
are
good.
That
allows
them
to
proceed
with
confidence
into
spending
the
additional
time,
energy
and
resources
and
money
essentially
to
do
that
level
of
detailed
design
work.
So
the
approval
tonight
is
is
not
based
on
on
faith.
F
Because
the
final
thing
is,
how
do
we
ensure
that
the
concerns
raised
by
this
correspondent
are
answered
like
I
know?
All
concerns
are
not
equal
right
and
some
of
them
are
answered
right
in
the
report
or
at
the
meeting.
But
this
is
not,
and
so
that's
my
concern
and
I
agree.
I
understand
your
argument
is
planning
argument,
but
without
the
report,
without
the
engineering
in
place,
none
of
this
is
quite
possibly
not
going
to
work.
K
Yeah,
thank
you
and
through
your
counselor,
hutches
I
can
see
us
both
smiling
at
each
other.
As
we're
having
this
conversation,
so
I
will
say
that
you
know
the
basis
and
grounding
of
everything
and
planning
is,
is
also
Sound
Engineering
and
that's
why
we
have
the
conditions
of
draft
plan
approval
which
are
found
within
the
report,
as
exhibit
B
and
specifically
under
number
11
required
studies.
The
required
from
for
final
approval
is
a
satisfactory
storm.
Water
management
report
designs
and
everything
associated
with
that.
T
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
Mr,
chair,
I,
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
that
to
councilor
Hutchison
by
saying
the
reviews
done
are
done
by
professional
stamped
Engineers.
They
are
not
going
to
sign
off
on
that.
Nothing
that
is
not
supportable,
because
they're
licensed
to
make
sure
they
do
make
approvals
based
on
Sound
Engineering.
So
it
isn't
just
planning
it
is.
We've
got
the
hard
facts
behind
us
with
the
engineers.
A
G
I,
would
say,
consume
a
lot
of
my
time
when
I
was
on
Council,
especially
in
in
that
District
in
any
end,
I'm,
not
comfortable,
not
having
answers
to
this
gentleman's
letter
that
went
forward.
That
demonstrates
to
me
that
he
is
quite
knowledgeable
with
regards
to
the
the
storm
water
management
plan,
so
I'm
very
disappointed
that
it
looks
like
we're
trying
to
just
shuffle
along
move
it
along,
in
fact,
without
substantive
responses.
G
I'm
not
sure
I
can
support
this
with
going
forward
today,
but
I'll
leave
that
for
another
round
too
I'd
like
to
know
the
question
I
have
is:
can
we
put
a
hold
on
this
until
that
plan
comes
forward?
A
technical
report
comes
forward,
or
do
we
defer
this
until
we
get
that
technical
report?
Those
are
two
questions.
I
have
and
then
I
have
supplemental
bottom
topic.
K
In
the
review
of
the
city's
stormwater
staff,
we
didn't
put
a
hold
on
the
Zone,
because
the
draft
plan
of
subdivision
conditions
contained
this
specific
criteria
that
have
to
be
met
in
order
to
bring
this
application
forward
to
final
plan
of
subdivision
and
all
of
those
technical
details
will
have
to
be
satisfied
at
that
time.
It's
not
a
level
of
detail
that
we
engage
in
in
any
sort
of
plan
of
subdivision
application
when
we're
at
draft
plan
stage.
K
Final
Planet
subdivision
can
also
be
bumped
up
to
council
for
additional
review,
so
that
is
still
an
option
for
this
application
as
it
moves
forward,
and
that
would
be
brought
forward
when
the
final
plan
of
subdivision
is
ready
to
come
up
for
that
review.
Should
that
application
be
submitted
in
the
future,
a
hold
could
be
placed
on
the
Zone.
In
addition
to
that,
but
it's
my
opinion
that
the
draft
plan
of
subdivision
conditions
adequately
contain
that
level
of
conditioning
where
that
report
still
has
to
be
brought
forward
and
then
can
be.
K
You
know
brought
to
further
light
in
review
at
a
council
meeting.
Should
it
be
bumped
up
at
that
time,
a
deferral
I,
don't
know
what
would
achieve
tonight
because
we're
at
a
point
where
feasibility
has
been
determined,
and
that
is
a
level
of
detailed
design
that
an
applicant
would
engage
in
and
spend
the
time
money
and
resources
on
once
they're
through
to
draft
plan,
condition
approval
and
working
to
satisfy
those
conditions
of
draft
plan.
G
G
I
I
think
what
I
I
think
I'm
disappointed
with
along
with
my
colleagues,
is
that
it
seems
that
this
correspondence
with
this
this
resident
has
been
going
on
for
well
over
six
months
and
the
responses
this
residence
has
received
are
either
non-existence
or
unsatisfactory,
so
it
cause.
It
gives
me
pause
to
support
this.
This
particular
proposal.
Another
issue.
You
know
we
just
had
a
resounding
rebound
of
kids,
going
out
trick-or-treating
this
last
Halloween
and
there's
chaos
in
the
streets.
G
Tell
that
to
a
parent
whose
child
gets
hit
by
a
car
and
dies
I
I'm
telling
you
we
need
to
have
sidewalks.
If
we
want
to
have
pedestrian
friendly
communities,
we
need
sidewalks
everywhere,
not
just
on
one
side
and
so
I
asked
the
staff.
If
we
are
supposed
to
to
be
building
communities
that
are
responsive
to
families
needs
and
Public
Safety,
why
would
we
consider
a
subdivision
without
sidewalks
in
both
sides
of
the
street.
K
Thanks
and
through
you
chair,
the
city,
I
I,
guess
I'll
talk
broadly
then
narrowly
about
the
application.
So
with
our
draft
plan,
sorry,
with
our
plan
of
subdivision
design
guidelines,
those
specify
sidewalk
on
one
side
of
the
street
through
most
areas,
unless
it's
a
collector
or
arterial
or
through
Street-
that's
where
you
typically
see
sidewalks
on
both
sides
of
the
streets.
If
you
think
about
this
subdivision,
specifically,
Woodhaven
Drive
has
sidewalks
on
both
sides
of
the
street,
but
the
internal
streets
do
not.
K
There
is
a
balance
of
things
that
have
to
be
achieved
through
a
subdivision
when
we're
looking
at
the
many
different
aspects,
we're
trying
to
implement
so
sidewalks
also
take
away
sometimes
from
the
ability
for
the
location
of
infrastructure
to
go
in
certain
aspects
of
the
street
or
tree
planting.
So
we
have
to
examine
the
subdivisions
on
balance
when
we're
trying
to
balance
both
roadway,
pedestrian
and
other
types
of
infrastructure
that
have
to
go
into
a
subdivision
when
we're
looking
at
this
application.
K
Specifically,
these
sidewalks
are
provided
on
one
side
of
the
street,
but
it
is
a
short
sight.
The
sidewalks
are
provided
yes,
curbside
facing,
but
curbside
facing
sidewalks
exist
in
other
parts
of
the
city,
specifically
in
the
downtown
and
other
residential
areas.
Where
you
know,
traffic
is
at
a
lower
speed
or
there
is
more
street
parking
through.
The
review
of
the
application.
K
Staff
did
determine
that
the
sidewalks
here
are
well
and
positioned
for
the
development
oftentimes
within
or
sorry
providing
that
appropriate
front
yard
parking
space
for
each
of
them,
but
providing
that
connectivity
out
to
Woodhaven
Drive,
which
is
the
primary
North
South
walkway
here
and
speaking
with
transportation
services.
They're
also
examining
sidewalks
on
Princess
Street
along
the
entire
North
Side
here
in
order
to
connect
Woodhaven
Drive
Through
To,
Bay,
Ridge
Drive.
So
pedestrian
connectivity
is
a
big
consideration
when
we're
looking
at
these
applications
and
for
every
reason
that
Mr
Peggy
has
mentioned
previously
through
his
presentation.
G
Okay,
as
as
a
parent-
and
you
know
eventually
a
future
grandparent,
I
I
still
think
sidewalks
are
important,
so
I'm
not
completely
happy
with
that.
I
look
at
some
some
the
fact
that
anyways
I
will
deliver
that
point
anymore.
I
appreciate
your
response:
yeah
the
water
course
that's
being
redirected,
I,
don't
think
the
setback
is
sufficient.
According
to
our
plans
that
we
have
set
out
in
our
plans,
it
seems
to
be
so.
The
setback
is
way
too
close
and
it's
not
supporting
what
the
counteracting
regional
conservation
Authority
would
agreed
upon.
G
K
In
looking
at
the
applications,
stormwater
management
report,
this
small
tributary
drains
a
very
small
portion
of
land
and
once
the
site
is
redeveloped,
it
predominantly
only
drains
the
rear
yards
of
the
town
homes
on
the
Eastern
side
of
the
site,
so
anticipated
flows
are
minor
compared
to
other
tributaries
that
we
see,
which
is
why
the
conservation
Authority
was
comfortable,
making
the
recommendation
for
six
meter
for
the
rear
yard
and
3.5.
For
that
one
Southern
lot
line
for
the
setbacks
to
that
feature:
Mr
Peggy.
Do
you
have
anything
additional
to
add
to
that.
Q
Mr
chair
just
that
at
this
time
we
we
are
establishing
zoning
provisions
and
that
3.5
meter
setback
is,
is
one
of
the
provisions
that
is
being
established
and
the
applicant
will
need
to
eventually
when
you
know.
If,
if
this
is
going
through
the
process,
they
will
need
to
satisfy
that
three
and
a
half
meter
setback
at
the
moment.
Q
The
conceptual
drawings
are
still
quite
conceptual,
so
we
will
need
to
to
examine
that
three
and
a
half
meter
setback
once
the
actual
Creek
is
is
rerouted
and
the
final
design
of
the
buildings
are
put
forward
to
to
City
staff.
So
the
applicant
is
aware
of
that
three
and
a
half
meter
setback
at
that
South
yard,
and
they
will
need
to
to
comply
with
that.
G
A
K
Perhaps
Mr
Burke
hi.
It's
me
again,
yeah.
Thank
you
through
you
chair.
The
air
conditioning
units
for
this
building
have
not
fully
been
conceptualized
as
to
where
they
will
sit
on
a
property,
but
there
are
multiple
ways
that
air
conditioning
units
can
be
contemplated
for
buildings
like
this,
it
could
even
be
contemplated
in
a
style
similar
to
a
Condo
building
where
it's
an
interior
or
wall
mounted
unit.
That
would
have
a
small
feature
on
the
outside
of
the
building,
so
it
could
either
be
located
in
the
rear
yard.
K
G
A
Good,
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment,
and
it
is
actually
somewhat
as
chair
too,
that
I
think
maybe
I'm
allowing
everyone
to
stray
a
bit,
because,
while
the
inquiries
are
really
important
for
the
quality
of
life
of
the
residents,
a
lot
of
this
has
to
do
with
site
plan,
and
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
additional
study
that
will
be
baked
in
into
the
process
further
down
the
road.
A
So
maybe
that's
something
for
us
to
keep
in
mind
and
I
wonder
if
staff
wanted
to
comment
further
on
what
comes
next
in
terms
of
at
a
high
level,
how
some
of
these
concerns
can
be
addressed,
and
if
that's
typical
process
right
like
we're
not
looking
at
something.
That's
unique
here
in
order
to
improve
the
zoning,
but
rather
some
of
the
concerns
raised,
which
again
are
legitimate
and
good
come
down.
The
road
is
that
fair.
K
Those
levels
of
detailed
design
things
like
the
stormwater
report,
the
noise
impact
study
done
it
a
detailed
design
stage,
because,
right
now
it's
been
done
for
the
feasibility
aspect
of
it.
But
when
we
move
into
that
detailed
design
stage,
all
the
specifics
about
where
all
of
those
roof
mounted
or
side
mounted
or
whatever
air
conditioning
units
might
be
located.
I
would
be
completely
studied
through
that
detailed
design
in
the
noise
stage,
as
well
as
any
sort
of
additional
requirements
for
things
like
Transportation
or
other
stationary,
noise
sources
off-site
and
their
impact
on
the
development.
A
K
Thanks
and
through
you,
chair
short
answer,
yes
long
answer:
this
is
the
type
of
development
that
we
haven't
typically
seen
for.
Infill
development
is
townhouses
and
back
to
back
town
houses
done
in
a
condominium-I-style
format
in
more
of
a
ground-oriented
traditional
look
and
feel
so
it's
not
as
though
the
units
have
underground
parking
and
the
the
townhouse
seasons
are
stacked.
On
top,
there
is
a
private
roadway
here
there
are
sidewalks,
there
are
units
that
appear
to
just
be
in
ground
oriented
style
format,
but
the
infrastructure
is
not
Municipal.
K
This
development
would
be
medium
density
and
has
satisfied
all
criteria
of
the
medium
density,
residential
land
use,
and
it
has
the
appropriate
amount
of
amenities
based
on
site.
So
in
terms
of
intensifying
underutilized
sites
in
the
city,
where
there
are
a
couple
of
units
here
now
on
the
site,
it
would
be
increasing
quite
significantly
to
35
units
on
this
side.
I
believe
that
was
the
last
count.
I
heard
I
might
be
making
that
up,
but
I
just
confirmed
yep.
N
Thank
you
through
you,
chair,
yeah,
I'm,
I'm,
really
frustrated
by
the
conversation.
It's
not
the
first
time.
We've
had
this
conversation,
but
we're
here
to
talk
about
land
use
planning.
Is
this
a
suitable
project
for
this
piece
of
land?
Does
this
make
sense?
We're
not
here
to
sort
out
every
detail
that
will
come
at
the
next
level
if
we
want
to
do
that,
we
can
do
bump
up.
You
know
there
are
options
for
us
to
continue
to
review
this.
N
If
we
want
to
as
a
council,
we
certainly
I
think
we
should
have
by
now
Faith
and
staff
that
they're
going
to
do
the
job
of
of
overseeing
these
projects
and
ensuring
that
they
meet
the
standards
that
that
are
required.
It
seems
to
me
that
every
time
somebody
writes
a
letter
who
purports
to
be
an
expert,
we
go
running
wildly
off
into
the
night
pulling
at
our
hair,
because
somehow
they
must
be
right
and
all
of
our
staff
must
be
wrong.
I
just
think
that's
a
terrible,
terrible
way
to
proceed.
N
A
Thank
you
councilor
Hill,
so
we
do
have
an
opportunity
for
second
round
of
questions,
but
I
would
remind
committee.
We
also
can
contribute
when
we
put
the
motion
on
the
floor
and
we
haven't
yet
heard
from
members
of
the
public
on
this.
So
with
committee's
blessing,
I'll
say
that
we
move
to
public
and
then
come
back
and
you
can
have
as
long
as
you
want.
When
we
get
to
committee
question
again,
Madam
clerk,
do
we
have
anyone
joining
for
the
file.
B
U
Okay
so
I'm
the
purported
expert
that
wrote
these
this
correspondence
and
I
never
claimed
to
be
an
expert
I'm.
Just
asking
questions
and
the
questions
haven't
been
answered,
the
whole
problem
and
why
all
these
questions
are
being
asked
is
the
development
is
too
intense
for
the
lot
and
that's
why
there's
no
room
for
trees,
there's
no
room
for
a
buffer
between
the
sidewalks
and
the
road
which
I
think
is
just
plain
wrong
and
on
one
street
there's
a
sidewalk
whatsoever.
U
So
the
knee
bone
is
connected
to
the
thigh
bone
everything's
connected
together
and
it
has
to
do
with
the
development
that's
proposed.
It
is
too
intense
and
I
would
suggest
that
you
look
at
these
back-to-back
townhouses,
where
they've
been
built
in
the
past
to
ensure
there
aren't
problems
with
them
because
they
are
very
suspicious
and
I.
Think
that's
all
I
have
to
say
thank
you.
E
E
Also
due
to
the
increased
density
of
this
already
busy
intersection.
Will
there
be
one,
a
reduction,
speed
limit
to
50
kilometers
on
Britain
Street,
as
has
been
recently
done
on
Collins
Bay,
Road,
Midland,
Ave
and
John
counter,
where
residents
front
onto
the
above
vention
roadways
two.
Will
there
be
a
proper
right
hand
turning
lane
to
be
installed
at
this
intersection?
E
E
This
subdivision
is
very
lacking
in
regards
to
Parks
only
having
a
very
small
parquet
on
Jeanette
in
a
small
park
off
Rosanna
I
am
not
taking
into
consideration
the
future
Community
Park.
These
residents
would
benefit
from
a
park
at
as
a
break
from
all
the
concrete,
not
to
mention
the
10
Lots
with
their
backyards.
E
Also,
it
is
nice
that
there
will
be
a
note
regarding
shortness
of
the
driveways.
However,
how
will
this
affect
resales
or
those
who
ignore
the
notes?
This
is
an
issue
recently
brought
up
in
Council
regarding
the
East
end,
with
a
request
to
allow
vehicles
to
impede
the
sidewalk.
This
causes
concerns
to
those
with
mobility
issues.
Parents
with
strollers
and
young
children
using
the
sidewalk
on
their
bikes,
scooters
and
other
I
can
see
first
I
can
foresee
injuries
and
or
damages
to
Vehicles
occurring
if
this
minimum
standards
are
not
adhered
to,
and
that's
all
I
have.
A
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
R
Mr
Barr
noted
previously
that
the
boulevard
along
Woodhaven
right
now,
there's
no
trees
shown
to
be
planted
along
that
Boulevard.
But
the
intention
would
be
for
trees
to
be
planted
along
there
and
then
kind
of
subject
to
the
final
grading
plan
for
the
property
maximizing
trees
at
that
point
and
then
as
well.
The
subdivision
guidelines
do
require
only
one
sidewalk,
a
sidewalk
on
one
side
of
the
street,
so
just
wanted
to
provide
that
extra
clarification.
K
You
that's
okay,
just
a
brief
question,
so
we
I
did
hear
a
comment
that
the
the
there
was
a
sentiment
of
the
application
or
the
development
was
too
dense
and
that
the
back-to-back
Town
Homes
were
suspicious
planning.
Staff
did
not
agree
with
this
position.
We
do
find
the
density
to
be
appropriate
for
the
site
and
the
built
form
to
be
appropriated
as
well.
Back-To-Back
Townhomes
provide
another
piece
into
our
housing
Continuum
and
they
are
appropriate
in
our
position.
A
A
A
V
V
A
L
K
Mr
Barr,
thanks
and
through
you,
chair,
I,
have
not
seen
back
to
back
town
houses
anywhere
in
the
city,
so
the
townhouse
is
in
the
middle
of
the
development.
I
believe
are
something
new
we're
seeing
more
proposals
for
it,
including
on
the
opposite
side
of
Princess
Street
on
the
South
Side
in
in
your
District
councilor
I.
T
Thank
you,
and
through
you,
Mr
chair,
just
adding
on
to
what
Mr
Barr
said:
councilor
olsenic
within
the
city
of
Kingston,
no
we've
not
seen
back-to-back
townhouses,
at
least
James
and
I
are
not
aware
of
any
that
were
we've
seen
come
through.
However,
we
you
do
see
similar
type
back-to-back
proposals,
I've
seen
them
in
Toronto
and
Ottawa.
So
it
is
a
common
built
form,
it's
not
an
experiment
per
se,
so
they
are
successful
elsewhere.
It's
just
they've
never
been
brought
forward
before
in
Kingston.
Thank
you.
L
Thank
you,
and,
or
else
should
I
go
with
this-
if,
like
we
put
the
faith
of
what
we
were
recommended
to
do
before
break
right,
having
faith
that
this
will
all
work
out,
fine
if
the
storm
water
management
does
not
work
out
fine
and
there
is
flooding
into
3038
princess
Street.
What's
the
recourse
for
the
person
who
owns
3038
Princess
Street,
the
legal
recourse.
K
Thanks
and
through
you,
chair,
I'll
start
this
question
and
then
hand
it
off
to
Mr
Park
the
stormwater
management
facilities
at
950,
Woodhaven
Drive
we're
going
to
be
private
storm
water
management
facilities.
They
are
not
to
be
owned
and
operated
by
the
city
of
Kingston.
They
are
to
be
reviewed
through
final
plan
of
subdivision
to
meet
all
technical
specifications
and
then
afterwards
will
be
operated
by
the
condo
board
itself.
So
if
there
is
an
issue
between
the
private
property
owners,
it
would
be
a
matter
between
private
property
owners.
T
Thank
you
and
through
you,
Mr
chair,
adding
to
it
Mr
Barr's
comments.
Your
question
about
liability,
counselor,
I.
Think
if
you
can
recall
there
was
a
report
that
did
come
back
to
planning
committee
recently
it
was
with
the
highway
15
Quarry
and
a
similar
type
question
was
asked
about
liability
and
city
solicitor.
Ms
Morley
explained
that
the
engineer
that
signs
off
on
these
plans
and
says
it
is
supportable
and
doable
is
the
one
that
ultimately
becomes
liable
for,
because
they've
put
their
professional
stamp
to
it.
L
I
just
wish
that
the
high
level
you
know,
calculations
in
those
reports
on
dash
right
now.
You
know
understanding
that
it's
just
zoning,
and
that
is
not
the
final
draft
of
subdivision
and
the
detailed
design
stage
right
now.
I
just
wish
that
those
reports
on
dash
right
now
were
of
you
know,
didn't
cast
out
from
other
Professional
Engineers
in
the
community
that
are
looking
at
those
reports.
A
T
Thank
you
and
through
you,
Mr,
chair
and,
and
you
know,
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
counselor
Sanic
and
I
mean
with
all
due
respect
to
Mr
LaRue,
who
I
understand
is
a
an
engineer.
He
is
entitled
to
his
opinion,
I'm,
not
sure
of
what
his
you
know,
training.
You
know
his
training
was
obviously
engineering,
but
was
he
was
he
reviewing
subdivisions
and
store
modded
plans?
T
I'm,
not
sure
what
I
can
tell
you
is
that
the
applicant's
professional
engineer
has
to
put
their
credentials
against
this
and
then
the
city's
engineer
that
signs
off
on
the
report
is
also
putting
their
credentials
against
this.
So
they
are
not
going
to
sign
off
on
something
that
is
high
risk.
They
would
not
put
the
corporation
in
that
that
position.
They
would
not
put
their
own
professional
Integrity
in
that
position.
So,
yes,
some
faith
has
to
be
put
in
these
professionals.
T
That's
what
they're
trained
to
do,
that's
what
they
paid
to
do
and
we
have
to
rely
on
their
opinion
if,
if
there
is
a
third
party
that
is
saying
they
do
not
necessarily
believe-
or
they
have
concerns
with
this.
If
our
engineering
staff
and
the
Consultants
engineer
can
address
those
concerns
in
the
more
detailed
reports
which
are
forthcoming
because
I
stress
that
again,
they
have
not
been
submitted,
yet
they
are
just
feasibility
studies
that
will
be
proven
that
it
is
either
supportable
or
it's
not
supportable.
T
L
Thank
you
I,
just
like
my
last
question
and
then
I
think
I'm
going
to
be
proposing.
Some
amendments
is
in
the
letter
of
Correspondence
I,
can't
remember
if
Mr
Peggy
addressed
this
or
not,
but
it's
about
the
ditch
and
right
now,
3028
has
a
sump
pump,
a
sump
pump
pipe
that
goes
into
the
ditch
and
with
this
development
to
the
north
of
3028,
like
it's
gonna,
be
storage
chambers,
which
means
filming
in
the
ditch.
So
how
do
we?
How?
L
A
Q
L
K
Zero
three
years:
yes,
okay!
So
now
I
understand
the
question
yeah.
No,
that
thank
you
I
understand
the
question
now.
So
the
the
stormwater
management
report
details
how
water
will
be
dealt
with
on
the
site
and
there
isn't
going
to
be
a
ditch.
That's
filled
in
the
existing
water
course
on
the
east
side
of
that
property,
which
is
between
it
and
the
other
land
Zone
by
applicant,
will
remain
a
drainage
feature
to
drain
the
parcels
in
this
area.
L
A
A
A
Perfect?
Okay?
So
we
have
a
motion
to
amend,
move
by
councilor
osanic
seconded
by
Deputy
Mayor
Chappelle,
that
a
geotechnical
report
be
submitted
and
posted
on
dash.
That
includes
the
determination
of
the
level
of
water
table
in
Bedrock
that
the
detailed
design
stage
final
plan
of
subdivision
ensures
that
the
inlet
pipeline
to
the
storage
chambers
meet
the
minimum
minimum
depth
of
bury,
as
required
by
the
city's
technical
standards,
that
the
detailed
design
stage
final
plan
of
subdivision
ensures
that
the
bottom
six
inches
of
crushed
stone
below
the
storage
unit
will
drain
fully.
A
A
L
These
are
the
three
items
from
the
correspondence
that
I
see
could
maybe
still
be
outstanding
or
I'm,
not
an
engineer.
Maybe
they
have
been
resolved,
in
which
case
it
should
be
really
easy,
then,
for
staff
to
ensure
that
they
are
resolved
in
that
detailed
design
stage.
Final
plan,
the
subdivision-
these
are
the
three
things
that
will
make
me
be
able
to
approve
this
development.
L
A
A
Sure,
okay,
so
speaking
with
the
clerk,
we'll
take
a
five
minute
recess
only
to
allow
staff
to
see
how
what's
proposed
dovetails
with
what's
already
recommended
and
that
way.
If
any
committee
members
have
questions,
they
can
answer
them
a
bit
more
meaningfully.
So
we'll
take
five
minutes
now
and
come
back
at
8
36.
V
V
V
A
A
There
we
are
so
counselor
Sanic.
We
took
that
recess,
but
you
do
have
more
time.
So
I
should
recognize
that
you're
only
at
about
a
minute
exactly
and
you
can
speak
at
the
end,
to
make
your
final
points
as
well:
perfect,
okay,
so
I'm
looking
for
hands
up
around
the
Horseshoe
or
online
counselor
Hill.
N
K
Thanks
and
through
you,
chair,
I
have
been
speaking
with
our
development
engineer
as
well.
Our
development
technologists
and
planning
Services
a
geotechnical
report
is
not
something
that
we
ask
for
on
private
property
for
development
applications.
We
really
only
see
those
for
municipal
roadways
that
are
being
dedicated
to
the
municipality,
so
this
is
not
something
that
we've
contemplated
for
private
development
within
the
city,
so
Point
number
one
you
know,
isn't
something
that
we
would
deal
with
through
draft
Planet
isn't
currently
something
that
we
deal
with
through
final
plan
of
subdivision.
N
N
K
These
do
not
deal
with
that.
Sorry
through
you
chair.
These
do
not
deal
with
a
matter
of
zoning
related
before
us,
but
they
are
performing
part
of
final
plan
of
subdivision
through
the
existing
draft
plan
conditions
we've
have
we,
and
this
specifically
would
deal
with
the
design
of
the
storm
water
system,
which
is
condition
number
11
in
the
draft
plan
of
subdivision
conditions
that
a
final
storm
water
management
report
be
prepared
and
and
submitted
with
a
plan
to
the
city
in
order
to
demonstrate
detailed
design
is
satisfactory
for
this
development.
K
N
A
I
hear
you,
but
before
I
make
that
ruling
I
just
want
to
clarify
100
with
staff,
because
in
my
reading
the
first
two
resolve
Clauses
in
the
amendment
deal
with
policy
or
additional
reports.
I
just
want
to
be
crystal
clear
that
those
details
would
come
at
a
later
stage.
Should
the
application
move
forward.
K
K
And
three:
yes,
one
isn't
typically
addressed
because
we
do
not
require
a
geotechnical
report
as
part
of
this
planet
subdivision
application,
because
no
private
or
sorry
no
public
road
is
beating
being
deeded
to
us.
This
is
for
private
development.
Any
future
stormwater
management
report
would
have
to
take
into
account
its
features
that
it's
being
placed
within
so
understanding
where
the
water
table
is
in
the
geology
of
the
area
in
order
for
sufficient
drainage
or
guidance
of
water
to
happen
would
be
undertaken
through
the
storm
water
management
report.
A
L
Oh
okay,
thanks
so
I
would
still
have
my
three
minutes
so
okay.
So
if
the
geotechnical
report
is
only
required
for
roads,
then
okay,
it's
like
we'll
just
withdraw
everything
I'm
fine!
Unless
you
still
want
to
vote
on
it
and
just
shoot
it
down.
It's
up
to
you
but
I
do
have
a
question
then
about
I
have
one
more
question
to
staff
before.
H
L
Can
okay,
so
Steph
can
I,
hear
you
say
verbally
100
that
then,
when
we
get
to
the
detailed
design
stage
and
the
final
plan
of
sub
division,
that
100
for
sure
as
part
of
the
city's
technical
standards?
And
this
subdivision,
we
are
going
to
ensure
that
the
inlet
pipe
to
the
storage
chambers
meet
the
minimum
depth
of
berry.
L
K
Thanks
and
through
your
chair
to
you,
councilor
Sanic,
yes,
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
the
design
of
the
storm
water
management
system
is
sufficient
and
satisfactory
in
order
to
be
able
to
handle
the
flows
of
water.
That
would
come
from
the
site
and
that
would
be
ejected
from
the
site.
Through
the
system.
K
It'll
have
to
meet
all
technical
specifications
of
the
city,
whether
or
not
it
will
be
exactly
the
guidelines
that
are
before
you
through
the
city
of
Kingston
stormwater
management
control,
guidelines,
I'm,
not
a
stormwater
management
reviewer,
so
I
can't
say
whether
or
not
there
is
lenience
or
guidance
to
those
that
is
exercised
by
our
storm
water
management
group.
But
it
will
have
to
meet
all
technical
specifications
to
flow
and
work
properly.
A
L
L
A
F
F
F
K
Your
chair,
yes,
it
can
be
raised
again.
Thursday
night,
the
inclusion
of
a
bump
up
motion
could
be
introduced
at
Council
to
four
months
from
now.
If
I
wanted
to
bump
it
up,
if
it
wasn't
bumped
up
previously,
so
it
can
be
bumped
up
Thursday
at
Council,
where
this
application
will
be
on
the
agenda
or
at
a
future
date.
A
A
So
the
zoning
in
my
reading
looks
like
it's
what
we
want
to
do
as
a
city
and
then
we
will
learn
the
particularities
as
we
get
to
those
points
within
the
process,
so
I
hope
we
can
all
support
it
and
then,
if
it
does
need
to
be
bumped
up
on
Thursday
night
or
at
another
time,
that
would
be
welcome.
Of
course,
so
I
will
be
voting
in
favor.
Thank
you.
F
Just
want
to
say
that
I
have
no
objections
to
this
well.
I
have
problems
with
there's
issues
with
this.
I
have
no
basic
objections
to
this
development:
I'm
fine
with
the
townhouses
I'm
fine,
with
the
back-to-back
townhouses
I'm
concerned
about
the
width
of
the
streets
and
the
parking
issues
that
may
ensue.
I'm
thinking
agreeing
with
park
right
now,
there's
certain
areas
of
Greenwood
Park,
which
are
a
mess
on
on
weekend
or
in
the
evening,
and
we've
had
an
issue.
Come
the
local
Council
brought
it,
and
we
went
to
this
proposal
right
there
wrongly.
F
F
Is
that
sometimes
we
seem
to
be
allowing
things
to
happen
that
we
could
perhaps
prevent
in
terms
of
the
livability
the
ability
of
people
to
live
in
just
a
particular
development
and,
of
course,
there's
a
tendency
for
developers
to
want
to
squeeze
as
much
out
of
the
parcel
of
land
as
they
can.
So
we
do,
but
we
have
to
manage
that
tension.
F
F
It's
always
been
allowed
to
bring
up
these
details
right
and
they've
been
treated
the
same,
and
if
you
tried
to
take
that
out
of
the
public
participation
process,
God
help
you
that's
all
I
got
to
say:
okay
and
and
we
hit,
and
because
that's
sometimes
what
really
bothers
people
right.
There
may
be
seven
substantial
questions
and
one
like
what
the
heck
was
that
right.
F
F
I
I
see
why
the
ruling
was
with
the
chair
inside
the
end,
and
the
objection
was
made
and
I
understand
that
okay,
but
nevertheless,
in
the
context
we
usually
have
that
we
traditionally
have-
and
you
know
Traditions
are
important-
it's
quite
allowable
right,
so
anyway,
I
just
I
just
thought.
Those
comments
were
necessary.
I'm
worried
about
the
trees
I'm
in
agreement
with
the
council,
sack
about
that
I
believe
the
proponents.
Planner
said
it
was
one
in
every
three.
F
Oh,
so
we
need
to
look
that
again.
Perhaps
it
should
be
one
for
every
lot,
that's
but
the
that
is
often
a
practice.
It's
not
uncommon,
so
in
different
places
and
so
I
I
take
it.
That
was
correct.
Staff
agree
with
that
comment
right
and
in
the
driveway
length.
Of
course,
that's
part
of
the
street
parking
I
and
I'm,
particularly
interested
in
the
downtown
counselor
I.
Don't
have
those
Suburban
issues,
but
I
do
have
issues
with
cars
parking
over
the
sidewalk
and
I
hear
about
it
and
that's
I,
don't
think
we
should
encourage.
F
N
Thank
you
just
in
response
and
I
agree
with
what
councilor
Hutchison
said,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
we
need
to
be
careful
about
is
that,
although
that
can
certainly
be
a
part
of
the
discussion
and
often
has
been
it
shouldn't,
be
part
of
the
Amendments
that
go
along
with
this.
We
should
be
focused
on
land
use
planning
when
we're
making
our
recommendation
back
to
council
I.
Think
that's
the
one
cautionary
note
that
I
would
I
would
add
to
that
just
because,
but
I
don't
think
it
should
cut
off.
G
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
I,
look
at
the
subdivisions
that
have
already
been
developed
in
the
area.
I.
Think
of
you
know:
Holden
Avenue,
I,
think
of
Jeanette,
Street
I.
Think
of
these
locations
that
are
highly
intensified,
that
really
are
not
safe
for
children
to
be
on
the
street.
At
least
some
of
them
have
sidewalks
and
two
sides
of
the
street
I.
Look
at
the
fact
that
that
we
have
parking
issues.
We
have
complaints,
we
have
people
who
are
really
upset
about
all
of
the
the
congestion
that
they
have
and
this
proposal
to
me.
G
It
does
not
allay
the
concerns
of
future
traffic
problems,
the
future
lack
of
trees
on
people's
sub
on
their
lots
and,
quite
frankly,
I
just
think
it's
it's
over
intense
and
doesn't
need
to
be
so
I
I
can't
support
it
in
good
conscience,
because
there's
too
many
questions
left
outstanding,
and
certainly
after
hearing
counselor
Hills
lecture
tonight
that
supported
my
decision
to
vote
novel.
Thank
you.
A
T
Thank
you
and
through
you
Mr
chair
as
this
is
the
last
planning
committee
of
this
council's
term
and
this
committees
I
just
wanted
to
extend
planning,
Services
gratitude
for
your
service
on
this
committee.
I
did
a
back
of
envelope
calculation
based
on
the
agendas
over
the
last
four
years
and
congratulations.
You
did
93
meetings
and
reviewed
259
reports.
That's
quite
an
accomplishment
so
for
five
of
you
you're
not
returning
again
wish
you
all
the
best
in
your
next
chapter.
Councilor
osanic,
we'll
see
you
next
round
and
again.
T
Thank
you.
This
is
such
a
key
committee
at
the
city.
It
deals
with
a
lot
of
business.
We
got
a
lot
of
public
input.
The
city
is
going
through
a
change,
we're
going
through
growth
and
we're
getting
a
lot
of
pressures
and
interests
across
the
board,
and
it's
all
about
balancing
that.
So
the
input
we
receive
from
the
committee
members
is
valued
and
again
we
appreciate
your
your
service
not
only
to
this
committee,
but
obviously
your
term
to
the
city
as
a
counselor.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
all
the
best.
A
Thank
you,
Mr,
Park
and
I.
Think
I'd
be
remiss
as
chair.
If
I
didn't
acknowledge
that
City
staff
play
such
a
vital
role
in
balancing
the
input
of
developers,
the
input
of
community,
the
questions
and
comments
from
Council,
and
that
is
a
very
tight
squeeze.
So
the
fact
that
we
were
able
to
get
I
believe
you
said
259
files
before
us
to
make
decisions
on
is
a
testament
to
your
team.
A
So,
thank
you
very
much
for
that
and
to
our
colleagues
here,
everyone,
especially
those
who
aren't
returning
thanks
for
the
countless
hours,
because
we
can
maybe
commodify
the
number
of
meetings,
but
if
we
think
about
the
time
and
emails
talking
to
Residents
preparation
with
staff
and
then
the
actual
time
sitting
around
mainly
on
the
computer
for
this
term
because
of
kovid,
it
would
be
almost
innumerable.
So
thanks
everyone
for
that.
A
As
well
and
with
that,
we
have
correspondence
already
noted
in
the
addeds,
and
the
next
meeting
will
be
on
December
1st,
where
again
counselor
Sanic,
you
will
likely
be
the
only
returning
planning
committee
member
if
you
decide
to
serve
and
that
way,
and
we
definitely
hope
that
you
do
so
thanks.
Everyone
we'll
look
for
a
motion
to
adjourn
councilor,
Hill,
councilor
Hutchison,
all
those
in
favor
good
night.