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From YouTube: Kingston Ontario - Planning Committee - November 1, 2018
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Planning Committee meeting from - November 1, 2018. For the full meeting agenda visit http://bit.ly/2DyDHLQ
A
All
names
addresses
opinions
and
comments
may
be
collected
and
may
form
part
of
the
minutes
which
will
be
available
to
the
public.
Questions
regarding
this
collection
should
be
forwarded
to
the
Director
of
Planning
and
Development.
The
purpose
of
public
meetings
is
to
present
planning
applications
in
a
public
forum,
as
required
by
the
Planning
Act
following
presentations
by
the
applicant
committee.
Members
will
be
afforded
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
for
clarification
or
further
information.
A
The
meeting
will
then
be
open
to
the
public
for
comments
and
questions.
Interested
persons
are
requested
to
give
their
name
and
address
for
recording
in
the
minutes.
There's
also
a
sign-up
sheet
for
interested
members
of
the
public
at
the
back
of
the
room.
No
decisions
are
made
at
public
meetings
concerning
applications.
Unless
otherwise
noted
the
public
meeting
is
held
to
gather
public
opinion.
An
exception
to
this
rule
is
combined
reports
which
consolidates
the
public
meeting
and
comprehensive
reports.
These
applications
are
deemed
by
staff
as
straightforward
and
routine.
A
The
business
practice
has
been
in
place
for
a
number
of
years
and
is
received
by
the
applicant
as
efficient
customer
service
and
effective
use
of
committee
time.
Please
note
that
staff
use
discretion
in
determining
if
an
application
B
can
be
a
combined
public
meeting
comprehensive
report
to
expedite
the
approval
process.
A
Public
meeting
reports
are
provided
to
inform
the
public
of
all
relevant
information.
Information
gathered
is
then
referred
back
to
planning
and
development
staff
for
the
preparation
of
a
comprehensive
report
and
recommendation
to
Planning
Committee.
This
means
that
after
the
meeting
tonight,
staff
will
be
considering
the
comments
made
by
the
public
in
their
further
review
of
the
applications.
A
When
this
review
is
completed,
a
report
will
be
prepared
making
a
recommendation
for
action
to
this
committee.
The
recommendation
is
to
typically
to
approve
with
conditions
or
to
deny.
This
committee
then
makes
a
recommendation
on
the
applications
to
the
city
to
city
council.
City
Council
has
the
final
say
on
the
applications
from
the
city's
perspective,
following
Council
decision
notice
will
be
circulated
in
accordance
with
the
Planning
Act.
If
a
person
or
public
body
would
otherwise
have
an
ability
to
appeal.
A
The
decision
of
the
council,
the
corporation
of
the
city
of
Kingston,
to
the
local
planning,
Appeal
Tribunal,
but
the
person
or
public
body
does
not
make
oral
submissions
at
a
public
meeting
or
make
written
submissions
to
the
City
of
Kingston
before
the
bylaws
passed.
The
person
or
public
body
is
not
entitled
to
appeal.
The
decision
and
our
first
business
tonight
is
public
meeting
requesting
zoning
bylaw
amendment
and
it's
on
page
3
of
our
agenda
and
I
will
recognize
the
proponent
planner.
B
You,
mr.
chair
good
evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Yuko
LeClair
I'm,
a
land
use
planner
with
pho
ten
consultants
and
I'm
here,
presenting
an
application.
Zoning
bylaw
amendment
at
10:20,
Lancaster
Drive,
which
is
the
Lancaster
Drive
public
school
and
1044
Lancaster
Drive,
which
is
the
mother
Teresa
Catholic
elementary
school
I'm
presenting
is
that,
with
these
applications
on
behalf
of
the
limestone
District
School
Board
and
the
Algonquin
and
lakeshore
Catholic
District
School,
Board
and
they're
both
represented
here
this
evening
and
will
be
joining
me
after
my
presentation
to
help
answer
questions.
B
It
will
also
be
joined
by
a
representative
from
AECOM
a
project
manager
at
that
time,
as
well
so
I'm
gonna
dive
right
in
our
subject.
Sites
are
located
in
the
city's
West
End
they're
on
the
south
side
of
Lancaster
Drive,
just
across
the
road
from
Holy
Cross
secondary
school
they're,
just
north
of
Garden
Walk
Park,
and
there
are
more
or
less
embedded
within
a
residential
neighborhood.
B
Our
subject
sites
are
right.
Next
to
each
other.
Lancaster
Drive
is
public
schools
on
the
east
and
then
mother
Teresa
is
on
the
west.
The
reason
that
we're
here
this
evening
is
because
there
have
been
some
ongoing
traffic
issues
at
the
sites
and
with
in
Lancaster
Drive
that
have
kind
of
evolved
over
time
and
the
two
school
boards
have
gotten
together
and
hired
a
traffic
engineer
to
root
out
the
problem,
find
out
what
exactly
is
causing
it
and
to
develop
a
solution.
B
The
traffic
engineer
recommended
a
number
of
solutions
and
in
consultation
with
the
city,
those
solutions
were
refined
and
they
recommended
some
site
plan
changes,
so
I
will
get
to
those
site
plan
changes,
but
I
want
to
start
with
what
is
actually
what's
the
issue
here
and
this
the
traffic
engineer
identified
that
there
are
kind
of
overlapping
issues,
but
also
unique
issues
at
each
site.
So
I'm
gonna
do
my
best
to
use
my
mouse.
B
Whoops
there
we
go
to
point
out
certain
aspects
of
the
site,
so
starting
with
Lancaster
Drive.
The
school
has
an
abundance
of
parking
and
staff
parking
along
the
west
side
of
the
property,
and
there
are
two
driveway
entrances
off
of
Lancaster
Drive,
but
it
actually
functions
as
one
because
there
is
a
one.
'we
flow
here
for
vehicles
they
come
in
at
the
west
entrance
and
exit
at
the
east
entrance.
B
A
bus,
loading
and
unloading
also
happens
directly
in
front
of
the
school
lost
my
mouse,
but
then-
and
there
is
a
small
number
of
of
parking
spaces
in
front
of
the
school
as
well.
So
what
happens?
Is
buses
enter
the
site
and
they
they
unload
their
students,
and
then
parents
enter
the
site
as
well,
and
there
they're
all
kind
of
vying
for
those
same
limited
number
of
spaces
to
load
and
unload
so
because
of
the
the
large
number
of
private
vehicles
and
parents
dropping
off
their
children
and
praying
in
private
vehicles.
B
A
lot
of
parents
end
up
having
to
drop
off
their
children
in
the
municipal
road
allowance,
so
they'll
Park
on
the
north
or
south
side
of
Lancaster
Drive
and
their
children
will
get
out,
get
out
of
the
vehicles
and
cross
the
road
and
there's
no
real
control
of
pedestrian
traffic
or
vehicular
traffic
other
than
the
one-way
directional
traffic
for
vehicles
on
the
site,
so
children
or
crossing
Lancaster
drive
all
over
the
place
and
they're
crossing
the
driveways
internal
to
this
site.
All
over
the
place
over
at
mother
Teresa.
There
are
separate
set
of
challenges.
B
There
is
just
on
the
west
side
of
the
school
that
driveway
is
primarily
for
the
daycare
and
there
is
staff
parking
there
and
then
on
the
east
side
of
the
school.
This
is
there's
a
very
limited
number
of
staff
parking
spaces
and
there's
also
right
along
here
right
at
that
kind
of
northeast
side
of
the
building
is
the
bus
loading
and
that's
where
a
lot
of
parents
will
unload
their
children
as
well
because
of
the
limited
number
of
parking
spaces.
B
A
lot
of
teachers
are
having
to
park
on
Lancaster
Drive
and
we're
having
the
same
issue
with
buses:
limited
number
of
spaces
for
buses
and
parents
download
on
the
site.
So
parents
are
unloading
on
Lancaster
Drive
they're
unloading
on
the
north
side
for
the
most
part,
because
the
teachers
are
using
up
those,
so
the
south
side
of
the
drive
and
it
kids
are
having
to
cross
again
willy-nilly,
there's
no
real
control
of
where
the
kids
are
crossing
this.
The
road
it's
a
fairly
narrow
road
and
with
vehicles
parked
on
both
sides,
there's
very
limited
visibility.
B
So
there's
a
lot
of
traffic
concerns
and
a
lot
of
potential
for
traffic
conflicts.
The
traffic
engineer
identified
all
this
I
mean
part
of
the
root
cause
of
all.
This
is
that
these
schools
were
designed
at
a
time
when
children
were
expected
to
walk
to
school
or
use
the
buses.
But
transportation
patterns
have
changed
a
lot.
More
children
are
being
dropped
off
at
school
and
they're,
probably
they're
in
private
vehicles,
and
the
schools
were
just
not
designed
for
that
particular
approach
to
a
student
transportation.
B
So
the
the
ultimate
recommended
change
in
site
plan
is,
is
the
one
that's
presented
right
here.
So
it's
this
color-coded
plan
is
the
one
that
the
traffic
engineer
feels
is
in
consultation
with
the
city's
traffic
department.
This
is
this
is,
will
present
a
solution.
It
won't
address
all
of
the
problems,
but
it'll
address
the
vast
majority
of
them
from
a
traffic
perspective
both
for
vehicles
and
pedestrians,
and
there's
three
kind
of
key
components
to
this
plan
and
the
way
that
it's
going
to
function.
B
So
in
terms
of
the
assignment
of
parking
spaces,
the
orange
spaces
that
you're
seeing
on
the
site,
those
are
staff
parking
spaces,
primarily
longer-term
parking
spaces,
the
yellow
spaces
that
are
kind
of
a
greeny
yellow.
Those
are
short-term
parking
spaces,
so
primarily
for
parents
that
are
getting
out
of
the
vehicle
and
going
into
the
schools
with
their
children,
whether
they're
dropping
off
a
note
or
picking
something
up
or
whatever
the
parents
are
leaving
their
vehicles
in
the
leaving
site.
B
Other
vehicle,
the
pink
purple
spaces,
those
are
drop-off
spaces,
so
parents
are
generally,
if
they're
leaving
their
vehicle
it's
to
help
the
child
get
out
of
the
car
or
van
or
whatever,
and
and
and
that's
about
it.
Otherwise,
the
the
vehicles
are
very,
very,
are
going
to
be
in
those
spaces
for
a
very
short
amount
of
time
and
they'll
be
parking
letting
people
out
and
leaving,
and
there
will
be
a
constant
flow
of
traffic
in
those
spaces
during
peak
traffic
periods
and
then
those
bright
green
spaces
or
the
bus
parking
spaces.
B
So
you'll
note
one
of
the
big
changes
on
the
site
is
that
Lancaster
Drive
will
now
only
have
one
driveway
access
to
Lancaster
to
Lancaster
Drive
public
school
will
only
have
one
access
to
the
road
so
that
western
entrance
is
going
to
be
closed.
So
traffic
will
come
in
at
Mother,
Teresa
and
we'll
drive
east
through
the
site,
and
exit
at
Lancaster
drive
the
way
that
vehicles
are
going
to
work
on
the
site
and
the
vehicle
circulation
is
going
to
work
in
terms
of
the
daycare
and
mother
Teresa.
B
There
won't
be
a
lot
of
change
in
terms
of
the
general
mother
Teresa
itself.
The
school
aspect
vehicles
would
be
entering
here
at
my
at
this
entrance
and
using
the
drop-offs
here
and
then
circling
back
around
and
and
heading
east
across
the
site,
following
the
main
flow
of
traffic
users
of
T
of
Lancaster
Drive,
whether
it's
the
daycare
or
the
school
will
be
coming
out
of
mother
Teresa
and
will
be
driving
straight
through
and
then
using
the
drop-off
spaces
or
the
short-term
parking
spaces
to
let
off
people
and
students.
B
At
that
school
you'll
note
there
is
a
green
space
here
and
I
said
that
all
the
bus
parking
is
going
to
be
moving
into
the
road
allowance.
That
one
is
intended
for
special
needs
buses
and
accessible
buses.
So
it
won't
be
the
standard
buses.
The
majority
of
buses
will
be
unloading
on
the
south
side
of
Lancaster
Drive.
So
there
won't
be
that
conflict
internal
to
the
site
of
buses
and
cars,
trying
to
vie
for
those
same
spaces.
The
buses
will
be
parking
on
Lancaster
Drive
and
letting
their
kids
off
there.
B
Excuse
me
so
right
now
there
is
no
real
control
for
pedestrians
on
the
site,
and
the
plan,
as
designed
here
would
about,
would
establish
fencing
on
the
north
side
of
the
road
on
the
north
side
of
the
school,
so
basically
from
the
driveway
and
mother
Teresa.
To
this
main,
north-south
pathway
would
be
chain-link
fence
kind
of
screened
a
little
bit
with
some
landscaping
and
then
on
the
Lancaster
Drive
public
school
side.
It
would
be
the
same
thing,
so
offense
would
extend
from
that
pathway.
B
Those
are
primarily
just
for
for
ease
of
access
to
the
school
and
they're,
not
in
the
main
way
of
circulation,
but
there
has
to
be
one
crossing
at
least
of
the
driveway,
and
the
idea
is
to
have
just
the
one
crossing
and
really
control
pedestrian
through
the
site.
That
way,
this
program
is
going
to
be
accompanied
by
a
lot
of
Education.
B
So
the
idea
is
that
the
school,
the
schools
are
both
on
board
with
this
and
they'll,
be
communicating
this
plan
to
parents
so
that
parents
are
aware
that
this
is
happening
and
that
they're
not
it's,
not
something
that
just
happens
on
the
site
one
day
and
they
arrive
and
the
plan
is
completely
changed.
There
will
be
an
education
program
happening
with
this.
B
There
will
also
be
some
signage
on
the
site
to
make
it
quite
clear
what
the
intention
is
of
the
different
parking
spaces
and
the
way
that
traffic
is
supposed
to
function
on
the
site
and
then,
of
course,
the
schools
will
be
enforcing
its
staff.
There
are
staff
that
come
out
during
peak
peak
periods,
especially
in
the
morning
and
in
the
afternoon
and
they'll,
be
monitoring
the
the
uptake
and
the
use
of
the
parking
spaces
and
the
driving
aisles
and
so
on,
as
its
intended
and
they'll
be
enforcing
that
with
with
parents.
B
B
Accessible
parking
spaces
are
proposed
to
be
shifted
to
the
west
side
of
the
building
and
mother
Teresa
right
now,
there's
a
huge
shortage
of
staff
parking,
so
this
proposal
would
double
the
amount
of
parking
on
the
site
for
staff
both
on
the
west
side
of
the
school
and
on
the
east
side.
I'll
note
very
quickly
that
there
are
some
parking
spaces
proposed
on
the
north
side
of
the
driving
aisle
over.
Here
generally,
the
idea
is
to
minimize
traffic
conflicts.
Those
parking
spaces
are
going
to
be
designed
and
intended
just
for
staff
use.
B
So
the
reason
that
we're
here
this
evening
and
asking
to
rezone
the
site
is
because,
in
order
for
these
changes
to
be
made
to
the
properties
to
the
schools,
the
schools
have
to
go
through
a
site
plan
control
amendment
process.
They
have
to
amend
their
agreement,
the
agreements
that
they
have
with
the
city
and
and
establish
a
kind
of
a
reciprocal
situation
where
they're,
both
working
together
in
order
for
the
city
to
approve
the
site
plan,
control
agreements
and
the
amendments,
the
the
plans
have
to
comply
with
zoning
and
these
revised
plans.
B
There
are
a
few
aspects
of
them
that
just
don't
quite
meet
some
of
the
technical
requirements
of
the
zoning
bylaw,
in
particular
regarding
a
front
yard,
visitor
parking
and
the
angle
of
intersection
of
one
of
the
driveways,
so
that
one
is
a
very
much
a
technical
one
and
then
the
front
yard
parking
again
is
largely
technical
and
is
necessary
in
order
to
make
the
sites
work
as
intended.
So
when
we
do
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment,
we
of
course
have
to
review
the
proposed
application
against
the
Official
Plan
in
this.
B
In
this
case,
the
the
lands
are
designated
residential
which
allows
elementary
schools.
There
are
some
policies
in
the
Official
Plan
that
deal
with
front
yard,
parking
and
they're
very
specific
and
there's
a
number
of
tests
and
the
official
plan
for
when
front
yard
parking
is
appropriate.
We
review
the
proposed
visitor
parking
spaces
and
the
long-term
parking
spaces
and
mother
Teresa
against
those
policies
and
feel
that
they
conform
to
the
Official
Plan.
So,
in
our
opinion,
this
proposal
conforms
to
the
opine
in
terms
of
the
zoning.
B
The
sites
are
both
subject
to
a
site-specific
open
space
zone
in
the
Kingston
Township
zoning
bylaw,
which
allows
elementary
schools,
and
it
also
allows
front
yard
parking
for
visitors
only
and
with
a
25-foot
setback
from
the
front
yard.
So,
when
I
mentioned
the
technicality
of
this
well,
we're
asking
to
do
at
the
Lancaster
Drive
public
school
site
as
we're
asking
to
continue
to
allow
visitor
front
yard
parking
but
reduce
that
setback
from
25
feet
to
one
foot,
which
is
because
of
the
way
the
site
works.
B
B
The
zoning
bylaw
requires
60,
and
this
is
for
the
eastern
driveway
on
the
site
again
very
much
a
technical
matter
and
after
and
the
review
of
that
particular
request
is
because
of
the
way
the
site
works,
because
it's
one
way,
there's
not
a
lot
of
concern
with
the
way
that
that
that
intersection
is
going
to
function
and
Mother
Teresa
were
asking
to
reduce
the
setback
for
visitor
spaces.
To
five
point
eight
meters
and
then
we're
asking
to
allow
non
visitor
spaces
where
they
reduced
setback.
B
So
that's
that's
the
gist
of
what
we're
asking
for
from
the
zoning.
Bylaw
amendment
perspective
this.
This
amendment
is
required
in
order
for
this
site
plan
changes
to
happen
and
in
order
for
the
schools
to
implement
these
improvements
to
the
traffic
to
circulation
and
the
traffic
design
of
the
two
sites,
it
conforms
to
the
Official
Plan
at
the
provincial
policy
statement
and
with
that
welcome
any
questions
or
comments
from
the
committee
and
I'll
welcome
the
representatives
from
the
school
board
to
join
me
at
the
front.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
Mr.
chair,
a
public
notice
for
the
evening
was
given
in
accordance
to
the
Planning
Act,
so
a
sign
was
posted
on
the
property
20
days
in
advance,
notices
were
sent
by
mail
to
124
property
owners
with
120
metres
of
the
property,
and
an
ad
was
placed
in
the
Kingston
vague
standard.
We
do
have
some
public
comments
received
on
the
application.
We
have
received
them
a
written
record
so
far.
Those
public
comments
and
any
heard
this
evening
will
be
included
in
the
review
and
the
comprehensive
report.
A
D
Mr.
hunt
through
you
I,
do
have
some
questions
thanks
very
much
for
the
presentation
and
I
want
to
thank
the
school
board
for
coming
up
with
these
designs
for
running
the
traffic
study
and
the
outcome
of
the
traffic
study
on
what
we
see
here
this
morning.
Tonight
is
definitely
better
than
what
we
have
now,
because
it's
trying
to
address
the
parking
that's
on
the
north
side
of
Lankester
Drive.
D
D
If
you
want
to
go
up
to
that
schematic
of
the
concept
plan
with
the
colors
of
the
overall
site
for
those
two
accessible
parking
spots,
yet
that
that
one's
good,
that's
right
there
on
the
west
side
of
Lancaster
public
school,
for
any
people
going
into
those
accessible
spots
which
entrance
door
is
it
and
because
I've
heard
the
concern
that
they
might
be
too
far
away
to
actually
be
considered
assessable
spots
if
the
intent
is
for
them
to
come
in
through
the
front
doors
off
the
Liam,
castor,
Drive.
So.
B
That's
correct,
currently
accessible
entrance
at
the
school
is
the
front
entrance
at
Lancaster
Drive.
So
with
no
changes
whatsoever
to
the
school
or
to
the
plan,
those
spaces,
the
users
of
those
spaces
would
be
circuiting
around
and
entering
at
that
location.
There
is
an
entrance
right
here
right
beside
those
spaces
which
is
it's
accessible
in
that
it's
at
grade,
but
it's
not
controlled
entrance
from
the
school's
perspective.
They
don't
have
a
buzzer
and
a
camera
there
to
buzz
people
in.
B
So
there
is
an
opportunity
to
improve
that
entrance
and
turn
it
into
one
of
those
types
of
entrances
which
is
controlled
so
that
it
could
function
as
an
accessible
space
and
and
users
of
those
two
spaces
wouldn't
have
to
go
all
the
way
around
to
the
front
of
this
wall
and,
if
I
may,
just
before
and
three
and
mr.
chair,
the
the
city
has
an
opportunity
through
the
site,
fine
control
amendment
process
to
require
those
types
of
changes.
B
D
Thank
you.
Another
heard
was
since
now
all
the
traffic
of
both
schools
will
be
through
the
one-way
driveway
going
right.
Past
slam
Kent
the
front
of
Lancaster
public
school,
going
out
when
Mother
Teresa
starts
at
9:00
in
the
morning,
but
Lancaster
has
already
you
know
started
because
they
start
with
closer
to
8:30.
Are
the
front
windows
of
flam
caster
public
school?
Are
those
classrooms
and
does
the
school
board
have
or
the
principal's
have
a
concern
that
all
the
traffic
going
through
when
parent
dropping
off
the
kids
to
mother
Teresa?
B
Three
mr.
chair,
there
are
classroom,
particularly
on
the
east
side
of
the
entrance
that
face
the
front
of
the
school
in
front
of
and
face
onto
lancaster,
dr
now
those
those
classrooms
have
blinds,
and
there
there
are
currently
activities
on
the
site
that
can
be
distracting
to
students
such
as
lawn
cuttin,
the
grass
or
works
happening
on
the
site
and
the
the
visibility
of
the
driveway
on
the
school
as
well
as
Lancaster.
Drive,
is
actually
not
that
different
that
those
classes
are
quite
close
to
both.
B
So
it
really
becomes
a
teacher
management
issue
in
that
situation,
where
the
teachers,
if
they
find
that
their
students
are
being
distracted,
it's
their
it's
their
responsibility
to
mitigate
that
distraction,
possibly
closing
the
blinds
or
something
like
that.
But
there
is
a
way
of
dealing
with
that
and
okay.
D
Thank
you
through
your
chair
for
the
buses,
when
the
buses
are
dropping
off
the
kids
on
the
lay-bys
on
Lancaster's
Drive
and
then
they're
funneling
in
through
that
pedestrian
crossing
there.
What's
the
supervision
going
to
be
of
the
kids,
because
the
concern
is,
is
that
now
you
have
all
the
parents
driving
on
the
one-way
driveway,
because
they
won't
really
be
dropping
the
kids
off
on
Lankester
Drive
anymore?
So
what
is
the
supervision
of
the
kids
crossing
over
that
one-way
driveway?
B
That
is,
of
course,
one
of
the
major
three
mr.
chair
for
these
changes.
The
schools
currently
when
buses
arrive,
teachers
will
go
out
and
they'll
have
some
teachers
on
bus
duty
and
staff
to
to
monitor
and
and
and
escort
students,
and
that
would
be
an
important
aspect
of
this-
is
that
teachers
from
mother,
Teresa
and
teachers
from
Lancaster
drive
would
be.
Monitoring
would
have
to
help
Shepherd
students
across
that
main
crossing.
B
But
there
will
be
signage
as
well,
and
this
whole
plan
is
dependent
on
on
on
informing
and
educating
parents,
as
well
as
children,
about
how
the
site's
going
to
function.
So,
there's
there's
there's
intended
to
be
a
heightened
awareness
here
that
parents
are
aware
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
crossing
location
and
and
and
to
watch
for
children
at
that
time
of
day.
But
there
will
also
be
staff
to
monitor
and
to
help
direct
traffic.
D
Thank
you.
Your
chair
can
I
ask
one
more
question:
okay,
great
thanks.
Two
more
questions,
I
think
I
have
so
another
question
is
for
the
yellow,
short-term
parking
on
the
one-way
driveway.
If
that
could
possibly
be
eliminated
and
maybe
put
towards
where
the
orange
longer-term
parking
is
along
the
side
of
Lancaster.
D
If
that's
where
the
parents
are
supposed
to,
you
know
be
parking
as
they
walk
there,
their
child
in,
and
so
it's
still
going
to
be.
A
lot
of
commotion,
you
know,
and
the
odds
of
a
child
being
hit,
are
still
going
to
be
there
because,
as
cars
are
going
down
that
one-way,
driveway
they're
gonna
have
to
be
looking
right
and
left
as
they
try
to
get
into
a
parking
spot
to
do
the
kiss
and
ride.
And
now
it's
gonna
be
even
more
narrow
than
what
Lancaster
Drive
is
three.
B
Mr.
chair,
the
the
intent
is
in
those
spaces
is,
as
you
say,
that
for
short-term
parking.
The
intention,
I
guess,
is
that
users
of
those
spaces
will
be
using
the
spaces
a
little
bit
longer.
They
won't
just
be
dropping
their
kids
off
and
walking
into
the
front
entrance,
so
those
those
pink
spaces
would
be
more
appropriate
for
that.
B
The
intention
of
this
of
this
design
and
not
having
a
lot
of
short-term
parking
spaces
along
the
side,
is
to
keep
traffic
kind
of
moving
and
reducing
reducing
areas
of
intersection
within
the
site.
So
by
having
an
that
additional
flow
on
along
the
west
side
of
Lancaster
Drive,
there
are
some
challenges
that
would
be
imposed
there,
as
well
as
more
crossings
of
pedestrian
locations.
So
that's
generally
in
conflict
with
the
the
overall
vision
for
the
site,
but
this
this
site.
The
plan
for
this
is
gonna,
be
iterative.
B
So
if
that's
the
case,
if
some
spaces
are
not
being
used
as
intended,
then
the
school
board
will
revisit
the
design
and
intention
of
those
spaces,
but,
generally
speaking,
those
spaces
are
intended
to
be
used
for
a
little
bit
longer
short
term
parking.
But
in
the
sense
that
the
parents
will
be
leaving
their
vehicles
for
a
period
of
time,
they
won't
just
be
walking
to
the
school
and
letting
their
kids
in
so
I.
Don't
know
if
that
answers
the
question,
but
that's
that's
the
intention
there
thank.
D
You
if
I
could
just
provide
a
comment,
then,
if,
when
the
communication
goes
out
to
the
parents
from
the
school
board
or
from
the
principal's,
if
they
could
really
encourage
the
parents
that,
with
this
new
design
to
you,
know
just
drop
off
the
kids,
not
so
much
now
Park
and
then
still
bring
them
in.
But
this
is
now
safer.
It's
now
off
of
Lancaster
Drive.
D
You
know
try
to
go
to
the
pink
spots
and
let
the
kids
off
on
the
inside
there
so
they're,
not
on
that
one-way
road
at
all
and
say
goodbye
to
them
and
and
pull
out.
Maybe
they'll
be
more
prone
to
doing
that
now,
since
this
is
safer
and
taking
them
right
off
of
Lancaster
Drive
and
the
last
comment
and
again
that
it's
in
the
questions
that
I
already
submitted
but
for
the
comprehensive
report
when
it
comes
back,
if
Public
Works
could
really
look
at
plowing
the
catwalks.
D
D
You
know
and
through
those
catwalks
to
use
skirt
and
walk
park
to
get
to
the
back
of
the
school
rather
than
going
to
the
front
of
the
school
all
the
time
during
the
winter
that
they're
doing
now,
because
there's
snow
and
ice
in
those
catwalks
and
the
catwalks
are
not
being
plowed
out
Thank
You
mr.
chair
for
that
time.
Thank.
E
Thank
you
and
to
you,
mr.
chair
I'm,
patient
and
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
I
really
like
the
proposal.
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
if,
when
you're
monitoring,
it
I
think
that's
great,
that
you
keep
an
open
mind
and
work
with
it
and
see
how
it
evolves.
I
think
it's
hard
for
us
to
look
at
a
drawing
and
say
that's
gonna
work,
because
you
don't
know
how
it'll
all
unfold
as
you
move
forward.
Can
you
go
back
to
that
picture
that
we
were
looking
at
with
the
colors
yeah?
E
So
the
premise
would
be
the
the
yellow
where
you
drop
off
and
and
the
you
may
sit
there
for
a
while
with
your
car
or
park
your
car
for
a
short
term
with
the
people
get
off
and
walk
between
the
green
and
yellow.
That
would
be
a
path:
walk,
I'm,
assuming
the
white
area
between
the
green
and
the
yellow,
no
I
buy
the
drive
by
Lancaster
Drive
right
there,
Yeah
right.
E
B
B
B
E
All
right:
well,
that's
interesting,
okay,
well,
I
guess:
you'll
have
to
figure
it
out
once
it
all
evolves,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
one
thing:
when
I
lived
in
Denver
Colorado,
a
lot
of
the
schools
were
newer
and
this
system
seemed
to
work
very
well
with
a
drop-off.
It
was
very
efficient.
You
take
your
kids
drop
them
off
in
the
in
the
pink
section
and
it
was
quick
efficient
and
you
were
in
and
out
very
quickly.
Thank
you.
You.
A
A
I
know
that
that's
a
common
complaint,
probably
every
one
of
us-
has
a
district
school
from
one
of
the
boards
that
has
issues
with
parking
and
the
competition
between
the
Hickey,
ler
parking
and
bus
parking
and
and
I
hope
that
this
is
a
sign
of
some
more
remedies
that
will
come
up
in
it
in
the
future.
So
but
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
working
collaboratively
on
on
this
issue.
So
thank
you.
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
counselor,
nice
job.
F
Yeah,
sir,
you,
mr.
Sol
echo
councillor
Turner
is
concerned,
but
the
fence
kind
of
bothers
me,
but
I
would
certainly
leave
it
to
you
to
the
better
thinkers
here
but
I
guess,
if
we're
here
to
look
at
it
and
my
only
suggestion
that,
if
that
the
fence
bothers
and
because
it
kind
of
might
create
some
safety
issues
as
well.
So
maybe
my
only
suggestion
is
to
really
outline
where
the
kids
may
walk.
Make
that
clear.
We
do
that
with
bike
lanes.
F
Everything
I
would
make
it
really
clear
early
on
through
training
and
everything
where
they
may
go
and
then
I'm
sure
you
can
do
it
anyways.
But
you
guys
are
a
lot
smarter
than
me.
But
it
looks
to
me
like
there's
some
challenges
here
with
those
who
want
to
walk
to
the
front
entrance.
So
how
and
how
they're
gonna
do
that,
but
I'll
leave
that
with
you.
I
just
want
to
say.
A
G
Frank
Dixon
45
Alfred
pregnant
to
K,
7
K,
4,
J
4,
thanks
to
staff,
for
the
presentation
on
this
and
to
the
counselors
for
their
questions,
I'm,
also,
freezing
the
cooperation
and
the
quality
of
work.
That's
presented,
I
think
it
has
potential
for
being
a
much
better
solution,
so
I
have
got
eight
points
which
I've
identified
as
being
important.
G
So
that's
the
first
one.
It's
the
second
one
from
looking
at
lancaster,
dr
and
we're
now
into
November's.
We
have
winter
approaching
and
we've
got
winter
control
issues.
There
is
your
smoke
line
along
Lancaster,
Drive
and
you're.
Looking
at
channeling
the
traffic
into
a
smaller
space
right
to
be
more
efficient,
I
think
that's
the
right
idea,
but
you're
also
going
to
have
maybe
some
conflict
there
in
terms
of,
if
you
have
a
storm
and
you're
going
to
be
maybe
needing
to
move
snow
and
ice
out
of
there.
You're
not
gonna
have
snow
banks
on
there.
G
G
The
next
point
is
we're
already
into
the
school
year
were
two
months
in
so
is
this
looking
to
be
discussed
some
more
and
then
I
brought
in
for
next
year?
Is
that
the
plan
was
that
that
would
also
leave
a
lot
of
time
in
terms
of
getting
people
ready
for
the
changes.
If
young
children
possibility
of
accidents
are
fairly
high,
obviously
anyone
is
losing
their
wife.
You
know
it's
kind
of
traffic
good
coming
so
I'm
worried
about
that
on
I
wouldn't
want
to
have
it
come
in
this
year,
I
get
sorry
too
late.
G
So,
okay,
that's!
My
next
point
is
what
I'm
wondering
about
this
goes
into.
Also,
one
of
the
questions
in
terms
of
the
accessible
parking
for
the
lancaster,
dr
staff,
you've
got
that
straight.
The
short
term
parking
for
lancaster,
dr
visitors,
which
are
the
yellow
spaces,
I
believe,
and
they're
quite
a
distance
from
the
front.
I'm
wondering
that's
possible
to
relocate
those
so
that
they're
near
the
front
entrance
into
maybe
some
of
the
spaces
that
are
identified
out
there.
G
Okay,
now,
if
we
could
go
to
page
14
of
the
agenda
package,
which
is
a
sort
of
fairly
small
scale
overview
from
above
on,
the
lancaster,
dr
section
looks
like
there's
some
portables
at
the
back
of
the
lancaster
dr
sake,
just
sort
of
north
of
you
know
looks
like
a
playing
field
there
and
I
don't
see
the
interaction
of
the
portables
on
this
slide
here.
You
just
don't
show
them
right.
G
Okay,
next
point
is:
are
there
any
kingston
transit
routes
running
online
cuts,
our
drawers
I,
don't
believe
there
are
that
we
now
have
a
large
number
of
school
children
using
Kingston
transit
right
for
either
part
or
their
whole
journey
to
and
from
school.
So
just
in
terms
of
in
fitting
everything
in
there.
G
A
G
Short-Term
parking
spaces
and
so
forth,
some
more
detail
on
that,
and
then
my
last
point
is
this
is
great
to
see.
I
would
like
to
see
it
in
the
package
when
I
was
reading
it
through
before
the
meeting
we
get
the
full
Channel
slides
into
the
agenda
package
so
that
the
average
citizen
can
follow.
Follow
the
explanation.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
H
Hi,
my
name
is
Mike
Marshall
I
am
the
I'm
at
1074,
Gillingham
I
have
three
children
who
to
which
go
to
the
school.
One
will
be
going
to
Lancaster
starting
next
year.
I'm
also
here,
representing
as
the
chair
of
the
parent
Council
for
Lancaster
and,
of
course,
is
a
concerned
a
concerned,
citizen
of
that
area
and
concerned
parent.
The
very
first
thing
I'd
like
to
say,
is
that
I'm
very
happy
with
all
of
the
information,
the
transparency
that
we've
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
my
counselor
in
regards
to
these
things.
H
H
However,
I'm
not
sure
to
what
level
to
what
degree
Holy
Cross
and
the
the
principal
at
Holy
Cross
was
brought
forward.
I
may
be
mistaken,
but
as
this
is
very
much
pedestrian
safety
at
a
point
in
time,
in
the
past,
one
of
the
children
who
has
been
struck
by
a
vehicle
on
Lancaster
was
actually
a
student
from
Holy
Cross
and
when
we
look
across
the
street
at
the
street
at
that
area
there
by
the
sidewalk,
there
are
several
trees
and
blind
spots
which
I'll
come
to
is
into
another
point
as
well.
H
But
I
think
that
that
the
safety
of
the
children
on
that
side,
because
many
of
those
children
do
come
to
pick
up
their
brothers
and
sisters,
it
either
Lancaster
or
at
Mother
Teresa.
And
so
there
is
some
cross
movement
along
that
area
and,
as
is
now
I,
don't
particularly
I've
spoken
to
a
few.
The
parents
and
don't
particularly
consider
it
to
be
a
safe,
safe,
spot
and
I
think
it
should
be
integrated
into
that
plan.
H
The
other
concern
I
have
is,
as
a
parent
who
drops
his
child
off,
both
my
children
are
I
mean
that
are
going
there
now
are
six
and
four
so
they're
not
really
prepared
to
start
walking
to
school,
so
I
do
drop.
My
children
off
and
I
do
see
the
there's
quite
a
volume
of
traffic
there,
but
that
volume
of
traffic
inverting
Lee
in
my
opinion,
causes
Lancaster
drive
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a
slower
area,
because
you
really
do
have
to
drive
around
Lancaster
Drive
around
the
schools.
H
Quite
slowly,
because
there
are
cars
that
are
parked
willy-nilly,
in
some
cases
to
help
their
kids
get
out
and,
of
course,
during
snowy
season
and
during
when
it
rains.
It's
even
more.
A
challenge
concern
that
I'd
like
to
bring
forward
is
that
in
the
event
that
this
this
is
we
proceed
with
this
plan?
I
can
see
that
lancaster,
dr,
would
inverting
become
much
more
open
and
speed
would
increase
for
cars
that
are
driving
and,
if
you
add
that
to
my
last
point,
it
kind
of
increases
safety
issues
as
well.
H
So
I
think
one
of
the
biggest
points
and
well
the
biggest
concerns
that
I
have
is,
after
especially
after
listening
to
what
you
spoken
about.
I.
Think
that
also
one
thing
that
we
need
to
look
at
is
the
genesis
of
the
problem
or
the
challenges
that
we're
facing.
Thus,
both
schools
were
designed
to
be
walk
to
schools.
H
I
think
one
of
the
concerns
that
a
lot
of
parents
have
been
bringing
to
me
and
this
goal
is
on
both
sides
of
the
school-
is
that
the
schools,
a
large
number
of
the
population
of
the
school,
are
not
from
the
catchment
area
and
if
you're
not
from
the
catchment
area,
then
you're
not
getting
bused
in
you're
getting
driven
in,
and
so
this
creates
a
lot
more
traffic.
This
is
a
lot
where
the
traffic
is,
and
in
fact
I
do
have
here.
The
traffic
study
from
Lancaster
from
from
what
was
done.
H
I
did
not
bring
all
92
pages
because
it
was
quite
a
lot.
It
was
a
it's
an
excellent
read,
but
as
I
go
through
it
there's
one
specific
question
that
was
asked:
are
you
within
the
walk
or
bus
zone
and
I
can't
tell
if
this
question
was
asked
to
students
from
Lancaster
or
if
they
were
asked
from
students
from
Mother
Teresa
or
both,
because
there's
no
time
period,
that's
written
here.
H
Yeah
I
know
absolutely
well
I.
Think
it's
pretty
obvious
with
the
what
I
see
the
the
issue
to
be
is
is
that
there
are
students
and
and
I
think
that,
along
with
this
I,
my
recommendation
as
I
have
in
the
back
as
a
recommendation.
Is
that
as
we
go
move
forward,
this
is
that
we
we
have
a
study
done
on
both
schools
to
find
out
students
and
title.
H
A
H
A
You
is
there
any
other
member
of
the
public
that
would
like
to
speak
to
the
issue
going
going
gone.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
will
give
both
our
staff
and
and
the
planner
an
opportunity
to
address
those
concerns
and
I
will
recognize
us
any
school
board
person
who
wishes
to
address
any
of
the
questions
that
were
asked
as
well,
which
is
stretching
the
rules
a
little
bit,
but
that's
okay
go
ahead.
Thank.
B
You
and
through
you,
mr.
chair
I'm,
just
gonna,
do
my
best
to
go
through
the
questions
as
in
the
order
that
they
were
asked.
The
first
question
not
to
do
with
snow
plowing
at
potential
conflicts
with
the
I
guess.
The
bus
bays
on
Lancaster,
Drive
I
think
there's
gonna
be
some
coordination
that
has
to
happen
between
public
works
in
the
schools
to
ensure
that
those
are
cleared
and
I'm
not
sure
what
the
city's
standard
practices
in
terms
of
clearing
bus
bays
so
I
might
throw
the
rest
of
that
answer
to
city
staff.
B
Thank
you
three.
Mr.
chair.
The
timing
of
the
these
changes
so
in
these
site
improvements.
So
it's
correct.
These
changes
are
not
happening
this
year,
just
process-wise
the
zoning
has
to
go
through
and
then
the
site
plan
application
has
to
be
submitted
and
go
through.
So
it's
likely
that
these
changes
will
approvals,
won't
be
in
place
until
spring
and
then
construction
would
take
place
over
the
summer
and
implementation
starting
in
the
fall.
So
September
2019.
B
I
wasn't
sure
I
understood
the
next
question
having
to
do
with
barrier
free
parking.
I
didn't
I,
understood
that
to
be
very
similar
to
kind
of
the
initial
question
that
the
location
of
the
barrier
free
parking
would
force
traffic
or
users
of
those
spaces
to
go
around
to
the
school
the
main
entrance.
B
So
there
is
an
opportunity
there
to
convert
the
closest
entrance
to
a
to
an
entrance
that
would
be
usable
by
by
the
public
and
by
users
of
those
barrier
free
spaces
by
converting
that
to
a
Buzzle
entrance,
so
the
users
would
just
buzz,
and
then
staff
at
the
school
would
would
have
an
opportunity
to
see
who's
who
it
is
and
let
them
in
and
direct
them
to
the
front
office.
Just
for
security
at
the
school.
B
Interaction
between
the
portables
so
and
I'm,
just
gonna,
just
gonna
jump
over
here,
so
the
the
site,
improvements
that
are
proposed
are
primarily
to
the
northern
parts
of
the
sites.
So
there
is
no
real
change
proposed
to
the
backs
of
the
sites,
but
there
are
portables
and
you
can
see
those
in
the
aerial
images
and,
in
both
cases,
the
existing
pedestrian
pathways
and
connections.
B
The
the
sidewalks
on
either
side
of
the
parking
Lancaster
Drive
along
here
and
then
at
Mother
Teresa
along
here,
would
provide
means
for
pedestrians
to
get
to
or
for
students
to
get
to
those
portables.
So
once
once,
students
have
kind
of
cleared
that
the
main
traffic
venue,
the
main
traffic
avenue
that
west
to
east
they
would
they
would
be
internal
to
the
site
and
accessing
the
portables
would
be
no
different
than
accessing
the
main
school.
B
B
B
B
Now,
moving
on
to
these
other
questions,
the
interaction
with
Holy,
Cross
and
and
and
their
involvement
in
the
design
of
this
sites
has
not
been
contemplated
at
this
point
in
time
and
I'm,
not
sure,
if
that's
a
question,
that's
best
answered
by
the
Algonquin
and
District
School
Board.
We
would
you
like
to
weigh
in
mr.
Davis.
I
Bryan
Davies
assistant
controller,
with
lakeshore
Catholic
school
board,
with
respect
to
the
Holy
Cross
question
in
the
traffic
going
across
from
Holy
Cross
into
Lancaster
and
mother
Teresa,
and
access
to
walking
routes.
That's
something
that
we
certainly
as
a
board
will
look
at
and
have
those
discussions
with
the
city
in
terms
of
how
we
might
be
able
to
best
manage
that
as
we
go
forward.
So
that
is
something
we
will
definitely
look
at.
B
So,
there's
a
concern
about
the
traffic
improvements
on
the
site.
Really
speeding
up
traffic
along
Lancaster
Drive
Lancaster
drive
is
there
are
speed,
humps
on
Lancaster
drive
currently
and
it's
controlled
street,
so
it
has
a
40
kilometer
per
hour,
speed
limit
beyond
that
in
terms
of
traffic
enforcement
in
the
road
allowance.
There's
this
the
city
will
monitor
and
as
part
of
the
zoning
amendment,
the
traffic
department
has
advised
that
they
will
be
monitoring
how
these
changes
will
affect
Lancaster
Drive
over
the
next
two
years
and
if
any
improvements
or
traffic
controls
interventions
are
required.
A
Thank
you
any
more
questions
or
comments
from
the
committee
before
we
close
this.
No
could
you
take
the
chair.
Just
I
just
had
really
one
question
of
staff,
probably
and
then
possibly
a
comment.
I'm
curious
about
and
I
appreciate,
the
reason
for
being
here
with
the
number
of
changes
to
the
parking
plan
here.
A
A
B
A
Just
a
quick
comment
to
both
both
schools:
there
is
an
opportunity
if
there's
a
recurring
problem
with
parking
and
people
ignoring
that
signage.
The
city
does
allow
you
to
deputize
somebody
on
your
staff
to
give
out
a
ticket
when
it's
called
for
so
that
may
be
a
consideration,
but
don't
tell
anybody,
I
told
you
that
so
thank
you.
So
thank
you.
No
further
questions
I
will
accept
the
return
of
the
chair.
Thank
you
so
we'll
close
this
portion
of
the
public
meeting
and
move
on
to
our
next
one.
Thank
you.
A
J
So
we
wanted
to
have
a
public
meeting
tonight
in
advance
of
bringing
forward
recommendations
for
the
2019
feet,
update
that
we
do
as
a
city
every
year
there
are
I
think
five
fees
that
were
actually
looking
to
increase
a
little
bit
beyond
the
the
standard
3%
increase
for
the
2019
year
and
to
implement
a
fee
for
the
pre
application
process.
So
it
really
is
to
better
cost
recover
in
areas
where
we
felt
it
was
appropriate
to
increase
beyond
that
standard
3%.
J
So
we
wanted
to
have
a
public
meeting
tonight
to
receive
any
kind
of
feedback
from
the
public
from
members
of
Planning
Committee
on
our
proposed
amendments
to
the
fee
bylaw
and
provide
you
with
the
rationale
through
Watson.
So
with
that
I'm
gonna
hand
it
over
to
Peterson
Sisko
and
he's
gonna
walk
you
through
the
rationale
and
the
methodology
they
used.
K
So
thank
you
for
the
introduction,
Laura
and
good
evening.
Everyone
just
to
sort
of
echo
a
few
of
the
introductory
comments
made
by
Laura
to
sort
of
put
things
into
context,
so
the
planning
application
fee
review
was
undertaken
in
an
effort
to
better
understand
to
help
the
city
better
understand
the
amount
of
effort,
that's
involved
in
processing
these
different
application
types,
the
associate
of
cost,
as
well
as
the
overall
level
of
cost
recovery.
That's
currently
provided
by
the
city's
fees
charged
industry
and
again
further
to
that.
K
We
in
detail
to
analyze
the
current
level
of
cost
recovery
by
activity
type
in
order
to
identify
potential
opportunities
to
improve
that
level
of
cost
recovery.
The
review
was
undertaken
within
the
legislative
context
governing
the
imposition
of
planning
application
fees,
as
well
as
with
regards
to
the
broader
market
context
in
which
these
fees
are
charged.
K
The
full
details
of
the
planning
application
fee
review
are
provided
to
you
in
a
report
that
I
believe
is
Exhibit
A
to
the
report
as
part
of
this
meeting,
and
really
this
presentation
will
sort
of
summarize
and
provide
an
overview
both
of
the
legislative
context
within
which
the
review
is
undertaken,
as
well
as
the
methodology
that
we
utilize
in
deriving
the
full
cost
of
service.
The
process
generally
undertaken
with
staff
in
developing
this
and
then
finally,
a
discussion
of
some
of
the
recommendations
that
are
being
put
forward
here
today.
K
So
in
terms
of
the
legislative
context,
planning
fees
are
governed
by
section
69
of
the
Planning
Act
and
section
69
specifies
that
the
anticipated
costs
and
the
resultant
fees
must
be
cause
justified
at
the
application
type
level,
as
defined
in
the
city's
tariff
of
fees.
And
what
this
requirement
would
suggest
is
that,
while
we're
not
required
to
necessarily
assess
the
specific
costs
tied
to
the
processing
of
any
specific
application,
we
do
need
to
differentiate
in
the
costing
exercise
by
application
type
and
to
align
that
with
the
tariff
or
fees
that
the
city
imposes.
K
So
this
goes
back
to
the
legislative
requirements
of
differentiating
applications
by
type
and
really
putting
groupings
of
activities
into
buckets.
If
you
will
that
have
similar
amount
of
processing
effort
required
or
that
go
through
a
similar
steps
through
the
review
and
process
moving
them
to
the
left,
their
direct
cost
that
we're
trying
to
assess
against
these
costing
categories.
K
And
so
firstly,
what
we
are
trying
to
understand
is
what
are
the
departments
that
are
involved
in
the
processing
of
these
various
applications
and,
more
specifically,
what
are
the
staff
that
are
involved
in
the
processing
of
these
applications
and
then
taking
the
amount
of
effort
that
these
individuals
and
departments
spend
assigning
some
other
direct
costs,
such
as
materials
and
supplies
that
are
required
in
the
processing
of
these
applications
and
really
those
direct
costs
and
follow
the
staff
effort
into
the
costing
categories.
Then
moving
over
to
the
far
left
hand
side
of
the
slide.
K
We
have
indirect
costs
so
to
really
truly
understand
the
full
cost
of
providing
a
service.
We
want
to
take
these
into
account
as
well,
and
what
these
are
really
the
support
functions
and
the
overhead
functions
that
exist,
such
as
IT
support
such
as
Human
Resources,
legal
counsel,
for
example,
or
financial
planning.
There
are
more
internal
to
the
organization,
but
that
ultimately
enable
those
more
outward
facing
departments
to
provide
the
services
that
they
do
so
in
terms
of
the
process
that
was
undertaken.
K
Initially,
we
undertook
a
number
of
meetings
with
city
staff
to
select
appropriate
costing
categories,
and
really
this
is
a
critical
step
in
the
process,
because
all
of
the
subsequent
process
design
the
effort,
estimation
and
ultimately,
all
of
the
costing
that
is
undertaken,
is
in
light
of
these
categories
that
are
established
and
also
going
back
to
my
comments
from
earlier.
In
order
to
achieve
compliance
with
the
Planning
Act
it
is,
it
is
a
requirement
to
Agri
disaggregated.
K
The
amount
of
floor
space
that
is
being
provided
so
again
recognizing
that
there
are
fundamental
differences
in
the
amount
of
effort
that
is
required
to
process
these
different
application
types
as
well
as
some
of
these,
we
disaggregated
even
further
into
more
of
a
sub
process
level,
if
you
will
so
when
we
are
talking
about
the
pre-application
consultation
process.
That
really
isn't
an
application
in
itself,
but
it
supports
that
application
process,
because
we
felt
that
the
city
expands
a
considerable
amount
of
effort
and
therefore
cost
to
facilitate
that
pre
application
consultation
process.
K
Once
we
had
the
cost
in
categories
established,
the
next
step
is
to
define
or
try
to
understand
the
processing
effort
that
is
required.
That
goes
into
the
processing
of
any
of
these
applications,
and
so
to
do
that,
we
develop
very
detailed
process
maps
that
define
each
of
the
steps
that
an
application
would
go
through
as
it
as
it
goes
from
the
application
intake
through
the
review
process
and,
ultimately,
approval
or
other
recommendations.
K
K
The
major
to
make
sure
that
the
overall
level
of
effort
that
were
producing
was
reasonable,
and
so
at
that
point
there
were
some
refinements
made
to
better
align
with
the
staff
utilization
levels
that
the
city
is
currently
experiencing
and
some
further
refinements
to
recognize
some
ancillary
processing
efforts
with
respect
to,
for
example,
senior
staff
oversight
throughout
the
entire
review
process,
which
are
not
maybe
directly
captured.
But
again
it's
more
indirect
oversight.
K
K
In
addition
to
those,
there
are
plenty
of
other
departments
that
are
involved
at
a
more
minor
level,
perhaps
in
terms
of
the
staff
that
requirements
and
those
departments
include
the
building
department,
fire
department,
transportation
services,
clerks
legal
support
and,
and
so
on,
so
based
on
the
processing
effort,
requirements
that
were
established
and
then
following
the
inclusion
of
direct
and
indirect
costs,
the
full
cost
of
processing.
These
different
applications
were
calculated
and
compared
to
the
average
annual
revenues
that
are
currently
produced
by
the
fees
that
the
city
is
charging.
K
The
table
that
is
shown
on
on
this
slide
is
also
found
as
table
3-2
on
page
12
of
the
report,
if
you're
looking
for
a
little
bit
more
clarity
than
what's
provided
on
the
slide
and
what
we
see
thanks
to
page
42
of
the
package.
Thank
you,
and
so
what
we
see
from
the
table
generally
is
that
most
of
the
city's
current
planning
application
fees
are
recovering
less
than
what
it's
costing
to
provide
those
services,
which
is
something
that
that
is
not
unusual
when
we
go
through
these
reviews.
K
Further
to
that,
there
are
some
sub
processes
that
we
talked
about
earlier,
for
which
the
city
is
currently
not
recovering
any
costs
at
all
and
most
notably
the
pre-application
consultation
process
and
we'll
see
some
recommendations
around
that
in
a
little
bit.
So,
overall,
the
city's
current
planning
application
fees
are,
on
average,
recovering
approximately
45%
of
the
annual
cost
of
processing,
so
where
it's
costing
the
city
on
an
annual
basis,
aprox
just
under
three
million
dollars
to
process
planning
applications.
K
The
city's
currently
recovering
approximately
1.3
million
dollars
from
the
fees
that
it
imposes
so
understanding,
then
the
full
cost
of
these
services.
We
were
able
to
come
up
with
what
the
full
cost
fees
of
these
various
application
types
would
be.
Also
thinking
into
account.
Some
underlying
application
size
characteristics
so
again,
recognizing
that
there
are
sort
of
fixed
costs
associated
with
reviewing
an
application,
regardless
of
the
number
of
units
that
it
ultimately
results
in,
as
well
as
some
variable
cost
to
vary
with
the
complexity
of
the
application.
K
So
that
was
all
taken
into
account
when
we
were
looking
at
the
full
cost
fees,
but
to
not
do
that
in
isolation.
We
also
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
are
looking
more
broadly
at
the
market
context
and
seeing
what
those
fees
are
in
other
comparable
municipalities,
and
so
we
undertook
a
market
survey
which
included
nine
comparator
municipalities,
including
the
City
of
Mississauga
Oakville
South.
Frontenac
Waterloo
the
city
of
Belleville
and
Guelph,
the
few
words
around
the
comparison
tables
that
I
would
like
to
note
the
compared
full
comparison.
K
Surveys
provided
in
Appendix
A
of
our
report
and
really
what
the
survey
I
think
demonstrates
is
that
there
is
a
really
wide
variety
of
ways
that
municipalities
charge
for
these
different
fees.
The
reason
I'm
noting
that
is,
it,
makes
direct
comparisons
fairly
difficult
in
many
cases,
because
certain
categories
in
other
municipalities
might
be
rolled
up
with
other
categories,
so
again
that
direct
comparison
becomes
somewhat
difficult.
K
Furthermore,
or
as
an
example,
there
are
some
examples
where
the
city
may
be
we're
showing
a
fee
for,
for
example,
the
free
consultation
process
where
there
may
be
blanks
in
the
survey
for
other
municipalities.
That
doesn't
necessarily
mean
those
municipalities
do
not
charge
for
that
activity.
It
more
likely
means
that
that
activity
is
recovered
through
or
that
cost
is
rolled
into
the
application
fee
somewhere
else.
So
just
a
few
notes
around
the
survey
for
that
context.
K
That
would
see
the
level
of
cost
recovery
for
that
specific
application
type
go
from
approximately
eighty
percent
currently
to
approximately
eighty
five
percent,
and
when
we
look
at
what's
generally
charged
in
the
market
by
other
municipalities
for
this
particular
application
type,
we
see
that
that
rages
ranges
from
over
sixteen
thousand
dollars,
charged
by
the
City
of
Ottawa
to
over
thirty-two
thousand
dollars
in
the
City
of
Mississauga.
So
again
we're
keeping
these
fees
well
within
the
ranges
that
we
see
in
the
market.
K
The
next
one
would
be
to
increase
the
planning
component
of
fees
for
site
plan
modifications
from
again
just
over
$1500,
currently
to
two
thousand
dollars
to
increase.
The
requests
for
security
reductions
to
five
hundred
dollars
from
the
current
three
hundred
and
ninety
six
and
again
that
would
see
the
overall
cost
recovery
level
within
that
category,
go
up
from
current
level
of
about
twelve
percent
to
about
fifteen
percent.
K
Under
the
fee
recommendation,
the
next
one
would
be
to
increase
the
planning
component
of
the
consent
fee,
the
non-technical
consent
fee
that
is
four
to
approximately
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
from
a
current
level
of
twenty
two
hundred
dollars,
which
is
very
similar
to
what
the
City
of
Ottawa
is
charging
at
approximately
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
as
well
as
well
as
the
City
of
Mississauga
and
again
within
that
category,
we
would
see
the
level
of
cost
recovery
increased
from
about
twenty
seven
percent,
currently
to
about
thirty
percent.
Based
on
this
recommendation.
K
A
Thank
you,
and
is
there
anything
further
that
staff
would
like
to
say
no
I
will
open
it
up
for
members
of
the
committee
to
speak
to.
Are
there
any
comments
or
questions
seeing
none?
Could
you
take?
Thank
you
I,
guess,
I
guess
my
troubling
concern
and
I
know
that
you
can't
just
turn
it
on
like
a
tab
and
suddenly
be
charging
closer
to,
but
I
think.
J
To
you,
mr.
chair
I,
think
the
work
that
Watson
has
done
has
certainly
established
for
us
a
very
good
understanding
of
the
level
of
cost
recovery
and
for
the
2019
year.
Obviously,
we've
recommended
some
minor
changes
to
the
entire
fee
structure.
In
future
years,
should
council
decide
that
they
wanted
to
move
towards
a
higher
level
of
cost
recovery?
I
think
we
certainly
have
the
framework
and
the
understanding
that
would
enable
us
to
implement
more
aggressive
changes
to
that
fee
structure,
and
it's
something
we
could
we're
certainly
open
to
having
that
discussion
in
future
years
and.
J
A
Thank
you
so,
oh
and
I'm
sorry,
my
one
other
just
one
other,
almost
forgotten
question.
We
all
know
that
all
developers
aren't
created
equal
and
I'm,
not
going
to
name
names,
but
there
are
some
developers
that
are
much
create
much
more
demand
on
staff
time
than
other
developers,
but
we
do
a
kind
of
general
costing
of
things.
Don't
we?
So
that's
a
frustration.
So
enough
said,
thank
you
so
any
further.
Yes,
I.
E
Returned
the
chin
I'm
now
going
to
ask
my
question
through
the
chair.
Thank
you,
I'm
an
outgoing
counselor,
but
I'd
just
like
to
put
in
the
record
that
I'd
like
to
caution
you
and
increasing
this
too
aggressively,
because
I
don't
want
to
drive
business
out
of
town
in
terms
of
you
know,
putting
up
our
costs
too
high,
so
that
would
be
prohibitive
for
builders
to
want
to
build
in
our
town.
So
I
think
as
just
a
cautionary
note
to
be
very
careful
how
quickly
you
raise
prices.
F
We're
not
go
councilor
Turner's
comments.
There
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
careful
with
the
comments
that
were
made,
because
I
think
that
we
need
to
recognize
that
there's
all
kinds
of
different
levels
of
a
development
and
that
there's
there's
the
common
folk
as
well.
You
know
that
are
out
there
that
are
trying
to
find
their
way
and
need
to
be
given
opportunities
for
success
and
too
much
I
think
we
need
to
be
welcoming.
I
need
to
be
supportive,
there's
so
much
more
that
you
could
add
on
to
this.
F
A
G
You
mr.
chair
I,
just
have
one
point:
I
would
like
to
emphasize
and
I
miss
the
discussion.
I
was
talking
about
the
last
meeting,
but
with
respect
to
complex
applications
that
will
need
more
staff
time
than
those
of
say,
less
complexity,
and
then
projects
being
resubmitted
back
to
staff
based
on
changes
from
public
input
and
that
kind
of
thing
I
can
think
of
a
few
examples
where
this
would
be
in
play.
G
How
does
staff
calibrate
the
fees
that
are
going
to
be
charged
in
those
cases?
Right
I
mean,
is
safe
staff,
who
you
have
two
planners
working
for
a
month,
just
as
a
scenario
to
help
a
developer,
get
their
application
ready
for
the
planning
committee
the
first
time,
and
then
you
get
50
people
coming
up
with
ideas,
and
it's
okay,
we're
going
to
change
this
this
this
this
and
this
and
then
you
have
to
have
planners,
go
back
and
spend
another
two
weeks
on
it.
G
How
do
you
calibrate
what
you're
gonna
be
charging
in
terms
of
the
fees
that
those
developers
are
paying
in
those
pieces
and
again,
I'm
gonna
agree
with
counselors
or
Sanok,
or
three
on
Turner
and
mr.
Hoff
I'm
in
favor
of
business
I'm
in
favor
of
development?
Absolutely,
but
there
have
to
be
limits
in
terms
of
City
losing
money
on
cases
like
this,
where
there's
just
more
iterations
that
are
going
on
and
so
forth.
So
I'm
really
curious
as
to
what's
gonna
happen
with
that.
L
A
K
Thank
you,
so
I'll
address
the
questions
in
the
order
that
they
were
posed.
So
the
first
one
was
asking
about
how
the
complexity
of
different
applications
is
taken
into
account,
and
perhaps
the
number
of
recent
missions
that
happen
as
part
of
any
particular
application
so
to
again
go
back
to
the
requirements
of
the
Planning
Act,
which
requires
us
to
assess
or
cost
justify
these
fees
at
the
application
type.
It
is
a
an
average
cost
approach.
K
That's
why
we
have
gone
a
step
further
than
that
and
disaggregated
some
of
these
application
types
into
a
more
straightforward
and
a
complex,
for
example,
to
to
start
to
get
at
the
fact
that
certain
applications
with
certain
characteristics
are
more
complex
and
require
more
effort,
and
so
going
beyond
just
the
basic
legislative
requirements
in
that
regard
and
providing
the
cost
justification
of
the
complex
application
separately.
That
being
said,
the
city
does
have
the
ability,
perhaps
at
some
point
in
the
future,
to
to
introduce
fees
for
items
such
as
resubmissions.
K
So
it's
it's
not
unusual
to
see
a
municipality
specify
how
many
resubmissions
are
typically
accepted
as
part
of
the
application
fee
and
anything
beyond
that.
Would
be
charged
separately
and
because
we
have
done
the
costing
exercise
understanding
all
of
the
process
steps
involved.
We
understand
the
sub
processes
within
that
as
well
right,
so
if
we
wanted
to
just
consider
or
what
it
cost
the
city
to
process
another
resubmission,
we
have
that
framework
in
place
now
to
understand
that
as
well.
K
K
Typically,
the
the
cost
recovery
levels
are
not
something
that
is
sort
of
in
the
public
domain.
We
do
have
a
bit
of
an
understanding
of
that
through
the
work
that
we
as
a
firm
do
with
municipalities,
but
within
the
context
of
the
survey
that's
provided
in
the
report,
it
does
not
look
at
the
cost
recovery
levels.
A
J
J
A
A
First
I'll
call
the
meeting
to
order
and
approval
of
the
agenda.
Thank
You
councillor,
Sanok
Thank
You,
councillor
Turner,
who
was
the
ghost
hand
going
up,
I,
didn't
see
your
hand
until
I
already
mentioned
her
so
confirmation
of
minutes.
Oh
yes,
I'll
call
the
vote.
All
those
in
favor
carried
confirmation
of
minutes.
Thank
you.
Okay,
excellent!
A
A
The
city
has
initiated
a
new
processor
in
which
members
the
public
will
have
an
opportunity
to
speak
for
up
to
five
five
minutes
on
comprehensive
reports
presented
before
the
Planning
Committee.
Those
wishing
to
provide
oral
comments
at
this
meeting
will
be
invited
to
do
so.
If
a
person
or
public
body
would
otherwise
have
an
ability
to
appeal
the
decision.
A
I'm
sorry
I've
lost
my
line.
Those
wishing
to
provide
oral
comments
at
this
meeting
will
be
invited
to
do
so
if
a
person
or
public
body
would
otherwise
have
an
ability
to
appeal
the
decision
of
the
council.
The
corporation
of
the
city
of
Kingston
to
the
Local
Planning,
Appeal
Tribunal,
but
the
person
or
public
body
does
not
make
oral
submissions
at
a
public
meeting
or
make
written
submissions
to
the
City
of
Kingston
before
the
bylaws
passed.
The
person
or
public
body
is
not
entitled
to
appeal
the
decision.
M
You
just
brief
summary:
this
is
an
application.
It's
a
zoning
amendment
application
proposing
a
hundred
and
twenty
guestroom
hotel
within
the
Cataraqui
industrial
estates.
Business
Park
I
just
would
also
wanted
to
point
out
that
there
has
been
a
request
to
move
this
recommendation
to
the
November
6th
council
meeting
to
allow
foundations
to
be
poured
prior
to
the
winter.
A
G
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I
did
follow
the
file
earlier
I'm
impressed
with
the
design
I
think
it's
very
interesting,
spacial
use
of
the
property.
Obviously,
the
proponents
feel
that
there's
demand
for
the
business
they're
gonna
create
there.
So
all
the
good
things
that
we
like
to
see
from
new
development
or
are
going
to
come
here
if
this
gets
approved,
that's
that's
fantastic
and
I.
G
Just
went
only
points
would
be
to
retain
the
trees
that
are
on
the
site
insofar
as
possible
and
to
present
a
landscaping
plan
for
how
it's
going
to
wind
up
being
once
it's
all
done,
because
you
have
some
forested
area
to
the
north
and
the
west
and
I
would
be
in
favor
of
the
file
being
bumped
forward
to
get
to
the
next
meeting
of
Council
to
expedite
the
project.
Thank
you
thank.
A
A
L
A
A
A
M
You
through
you
mr.
chair,
respect
to
University
Avenue
that
property
has
successfully
been
rezone
and
is
subject
to
site
plan
control
at
this
point
in
time.
So
we
are
working
with
the
applicant
through
some
of
the
site,
improvements
that
were
required
on
that
property.
The
zoning
that
was
approved
by
council
did
include
many
of
the
updates
to
the
site
that
we
require
to
be
seen
through
site
plan
control.
M
Yes,
with
respect
to
Colburn
street,
that
report
we've
been
working
with
the
applicant
to
finalize
the
details
around
some
of
the
architectural
changes
that
may
be
required
to
the
structure.
That
report
will
be
on
the
December
6th
planning
committee
meeting
with
a
comprehensive
report
and
recommendation.
Thank.