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From YouTube: Rural Advisory Committee - September 28 2020
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City of Kingston Rural Advisory Committee meeting from September 28, 2020. For full meeting details please visit https://bit.ly/2MA3kUv
B
B
B
B
I
promised
last
time
I
would
practice.
I
didn't
practice
enough.
So
all
those
in
favor
raise
your
hand
all
in
favors
confirmation
of
minutes.
Could
I
have
someone
to
move
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
last
time
from
that
last
meeting,
counselor
usher
off
sec
seconded
by
councillor
bowen,
all
those
in
favor
and
excellent.
B
B
There
are
no
delegations
and
there
are
no
briefings
tonight,
so
we
can
move
to
the
business
items.
We
are
very
grateful
and
happy
to
welcome
craig
desjardins
again
with
us
at
the
rural
advisory
committee
for
our
presentation.
It's
a
little
bit
different
than
the
smart
cities,
which
was
very
interesting
so
we'll
be
talking
of
the
rural
employment,
land
strategy
and
economic
recovery
plan
update.
I
believe,
craig
that
you
have
a
powerpoint
presentation,
so
I
will
leave
the
floor
entirely
to
you.
C
Well,
thank
you
very
much
chair
conway
and
members
of
the
committee.
It's
a
pleasure
to
be
here
as
always
always
great
to
come
back
to
the
rural
advisory
committee
here
tonight,
as
the
report
spells
out
to
to
speak
to
you
about
the
rural
employment
land
strategy
and
for
the
members
of
the
council,
you'll
be
aware
that
this
is
a
priority
of
council
as
part
of
our
strategic
priorities
and
while
it
was
initially
delayed
because
of
the
pandemic.
C
I
don't
want
to
go
into
too
much
detail
just
with
respect
to
the
report
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have,
but
really
wanted
to
to
to
you
know,
have
an
explanation
of.
What's
what's
been
going
on,
tell
you
about
the
extensive
data
gathering
and
analysis
that
has
taken
place,
but,
most
importantly
to
really
tonight
to
to
you
know
begin
the
engagement
with
the
committee
seek
their
input
and
it
is
part
of
the
strategy.
C
Development
we've
had
an
opportunity
to
connect
with
the
counselors
on
the
committee
and
received
some
input,
so
very
grateful
for
any
insights
that
the
public
members
of
the
committee
might
might
offer
us
this
evening.
I'm
not
sure
whether
brandon
forrest
has
joined
us
or
not
brandon's.
A
new
member
of
the
city
team
he's
the
new
director
of
business
real
estate
in
the
environment.
C
He's
joined
us
from
the
ontario
public
service,
very,
very
fortunate
for
us
to
the
to
be
joining
the
city
of
kingston
he's
the
actual
owner
of
the
project.
Brandon
are
you?
Are
you
on?
I
didn't
see
him
join
yet
I'm
wondering
whether
he
is
he's
heading
to
technical.
Definitely
I
don't
see
him
on
so
I'll,
just
I'll
I'll
I'll
leave
it
at
that,
and
maybe
I'm
just
going
to
have
him,
introduce
our
consultant,
laura
o'blenis
from
stiletto
consulting
so
maybe
I'll
I'll.
C
Just
do
that,
we're
very
fortunate
to
have
with
us
laura
from
and
actually,
I
think,
kathy
wood.
I
saw
her
who's
also
participating
in
the
engagement
on
this
project.
Have
them
join
us
this
evening
and
run
us
through
a
few
slides
to
to
again
seek
your
your
input
and
thoughts,
but
maybe
before
we
get
into
the
slides
and
have
laura
sort
of
lead
us
through
that
share
a
few
pieces
of
information
wondering
if
there's
any
comments
or
thoughts
with
respect
to
the.
C
B
Thank
you
greg
laura.
It's
a
pleasure
to
meet
you
just
before
you
start.
I
can
give
a
little
bit
of
instructions
on
how
we'll
go
about
providing
questions
and
comments.
So
at
the
end
of
the
presentation,
if
I
can
ask
all
of
the
committee
members
to
hold
their
questions
until
the
end
of
the
presentation,
then
we'll
do
the
questions
from
the
committee.
B
Then
I
will
ask
if
any
members
of
the
public
are
attending
and
have
any
questions,
so
james
will
help
and
assist
us
with
getting
questions
from
the
members
of
the
public
and
then
afterwards
we
will
do
a
a
round
of
deliberations
from
committee
members.
So
that's
kind
of
the
three
steps
that
we'll
follow
after
after
your
presentation.
So
all
yours,
laura.
D
So
so
what
we
wanted
to
do
today
is
we
really
want
to
have
the
opportunity
to
have
dialogue
and
discussion
and
social
say.
Thank
you
so
much
for
laying
out
how
this
will
go
through.
We've
prepared
a
few
slides
that
we
want
to
just
bring
you
up
to
speed
on
a
couple
of
things
that
we
have
found
as
part
of
the
exercise.
I'll
fill
you
in
a
bit
on
some
of
the
the
process
that
we've
been
going
through.
D
Economic
development
board
as
well
as
have
been
part
of
some
other
conversations
that
we've
been
having
with
with
city
leadership.
And
so
so
I
guess
with
that.
We'll
we'll
go
right
in
I'm,
not
sure
if
I
have
the
ability
to
change
the
slides
here,
excellent,
so
we'll
just
move
to
this
one.
So
so,
we'll
give
you
a
bit
of
a
snapshot
on
on
rural
kingston
and
again,
there's
some
additional
information
that
you'll
see
in
the
additional
slides.
But
we
wanted
to
again
use
our
time
to
to
highlight
a
few.
A
few
quick
points.
D
The
two
fully
rural
census,
tracts
of
rural
kingston
have
a
median
age
of
49.5
years.
The
median
household
income
in
rural
kingston
is
45
percent
higher
than
in
urban
kingston,
which
we
think
is
is
pretty
significant.
The
rural
kingston
workforce
is
much
more
likely
to
be
self-employed
and
work
from
home.
Also
very
interesting-
and
I
know
we
were
talking
earlier
about
broadband,
so
obviously
that's
on
our
radar
and
and
top
of
mind
a
few
things
to
know
from
an
industry
complement
perspective.
D
The
top
rural
kingston
industries
are
construction
with
20
percent
of
rural
businesses
being
in
construction
11
in
retail
trade
9
in
professional,
scientific
and
technical
services.
These
are
all
based
on
nakes
codes
by
the
way,
which
is
the
north
american
industry,
classification
standards,
administrative
and
support
and
waste
management
and
remediation
services.
This
is
about
nine
percent
of
rural
businesses
and
then,
of
course,
other
services
which
excludes
public
administration
also
at
about
nine
percent
of
businesses,
and
we
can
certainly
chat
about
that
a
little
bit
further
again.
There's
slides
to
support
this.
D
So,
let's
go
to
the
next
slide
in
terms
of
where,
where
we're
at
and
the
inputs
and
some
of
the
next
steps
in
the
process,
so
we've
done
a
fair
amount
of
stakeholder
outreach.
One-On-One
interviews,
which
again
craig
highlighted
kathy
wood,
is
on
the
call
and
we've
pulled
in
kathy
as
an
associate
within
our
team
to
be
able
to
help
with
some
of
the
stakeholder
outreach
and
some
of
the
conversations
that
we've
been
lining
up
with
with
folks
in
the
community.
We've
done
a
fairly
extensive
data
collection
and
analysis.
D
The
land
use
analysis
is
basically
what
I've
just
highlighted
in
terms
of
looking
at
both
the
hamlet
development
areas
that
have
been
identified
through
the
official
plan,
as
well
as
other
pockets
of
development
that
could
occur
with
larger
cluster
development
for
park
related
activities.
We're
looking
at
potential
uses
next
in
terms
of
next
steps.
Looking
at
the
potential
uses
by
hamlet,
as
well
as
by
commercial
development,
with
those
larger
plots
of
land,
what
might
the
appropriate
uses
be
for
those
areas
taking
into
account
existing
industry
accounts
and
and
workforce
and
workforce
counts
in
those
areas?
D
We're
building
up
the
strategy
framework
and
we
do
have
five
components
that
we're
looking
at
now
and
we'll
be
continuing
to
flush
out
a
bit
further
over
the
next
few
weeks.
We're
engaging
in
a
validation
exercise
and
we're
using
the
engage
kingston
platform
for
the
integrated
strategy,
and
the
survey
is
actually
going
to
be
launching
tomorrow.
So
there's
about
a
dozen
questions
that
we're
asking
both
around
the
integrated
strategy,
as
well
as
some
of
the
elements
within
rural
kingston,
in
particular
around
the
types
of
development
that
may
be
appealing
or
of
interest
to
the
community.
D
And
so
that's
taking
place
tomorrow
through
to
october
20th.
We're
looking
forward
to
receiving
some
feedback
and
some
inputs
that
may
help
to
guide
potential
activities
in
the
areas
that
we've
identified
and
the
high
level
recommendations
and
themes
that
we're
currently
looking
at
and
assessing
from.
There
we'll
be
pulling
together
an
action
plan
and
then,
of
course,
rounding
out
the
final
report
and
pulling
everything
together
to
feed
into
not
only
the
employment
lands
strategy
for
rural
kingston,
but
also
the
integrated
economic
strategy
and
we'll
go
to
the
next
slide.
D
So
what
we
really
wanted
to
chat
with
you
about
today,
we
wanted
to
use
the
time,
and
perhaps
we
can.
We
can
pause-
and
I
know
jose
in
terms
of
the
the
protocol
and
process,
as
we
conclude
the
the
summary
that
I'm
sharing
with
you.
We
will
open
it
up
for
conversation,
but
really
what
we,
what
we're
hoping
to
get
from
you
in
terms
of
timing
and
next
steps,
the
the
rural
strategy
will
be
pulled
together
by
the
end
of
october.
We've
got
the
data
analysis
completed
or
the
data
inputs
in
we're.
D
Looking
at
the
analysis
right
now,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
rounding
out
some
of
the
validation
and
some
of
the
other
areas
that
we
want
to
confirm
in
terms
of
directionally,
where
we're
at
what
we're
really
hoping
to
accomplish
from
the
conversation
today-
and
this
is
actually
a
question
that
we're
posing
in
the
ideas
platform
through
the
engage
kingston
platform.
We
have
the
survey
for
the
overall
economic
strategy
and
with
several
questions
in
there
for
rural
kingston
as
well,
and
we
also
have
the
the
ideas
platform
that
we're
going
to
be
imploring.
D
Asking
this
specific
question
for
rural
kingston
and
we
thought
it
would
be
an
excellent
segue
in
getting
ready
for
the
launch
of
this
platform
tomorrow
to
really
hear
from
you
first
in
terms
of
what
your
thoughts
are
on
your
top
three
priorities.
That
should
be
considered
as
we
look
at
economic
development
opportunities
in
rural
kingston
and
and
with
that,
I
would
throw
it
back
over
to
you
jose
in
terms
of
of
navigating
and
facilitating
the
discussion.
B
D
B
B
Wonderful,
so
what
I'm
going
to
suggest
is
I'll.
Take
the
questions
from
the
committee
members
from
us
to
you
and
then
we'll
take
questions
from
the
members
of
the
public
to
you,
and
then
we
can
come
back
to
this
very
interesting
question
that
you've
asked
us
as
part
of
the
discussion
and
as
part
of
our
deliberations.
B
B
No
problem,
I
hope
you
had
a
time
to
to
read
the
report
that
laura
just
presented.
I
don't
know
if
you,
if
you
had
a
chance
to
hear
a
little
bit
of
her
presentation,
but
if
you
have
any
questions,
you're
welcome
to
ask
her
so
I'll.
Try
to
use
my
eyes
and
visually
look
at
you
and
look
at
the
members
to
know
who
goes
first.
Show
me
your
finger.
If
you
want
to
talk
counselor
schroff
you're
on.
F
I'm
sorry
I've
switched
over
now
to
my
personal,
I
phone,
I'm
I'm
trying
to
read
so
I'm
juggling
I'm
hanging
on
by
the
thread
here.
It
looks
it
feels
like
so
I
shouldn't
really
go
first.
I
really
I
I
do
know
laura
a
little
bit
from
economic
development
zooms.
I
don't
want
to
be
the
dominant
voice
here.
I
have
a
lot
to
say
and
lots
to
do
to
do,
but
I
don't
want
to
do
that
quite
yet.
F
So
I
wanted
to
make
sure
we're
connected
here
really,
but
I'm
really
interested
in
the
engagement
process
that
they
have
I'd
like
to
hear
things
that
they
are
hearing
as
a
rural
counselor.
I'm
probably
somewhat
responsible
some
for
some
of
this
happening,
because
it's
the
one
the
one
line
that
I've
you
know
I've
been
really
intentional
about
this
since
from
the
beginning,
and
so
it's
kind
of
a
passion
for
me
to
discuss
rural
economic
development
and
the
balance
that
we
would
try
to
achieve
in
the
rural
area.
F
F
We
have
always
known
that
we
are
an
asset
and
in
our
place
in
the
community,
and
we
are
an
unrealized
potential,
but
I
really
want
to
make
sure
people
don't
think
that
I
am
pushing
something
or
council
or
economic
development
that
is
out
of
proportion
to
what
is
a
healthy
balance
for
the
rural
area
and
though
we
will
grapple
with
that
and
we'll
listen
to
stakeholders
and
what
laura
hears
and
have
conversations
with
kathy
wood
it
would.
It
will
be
we're
really
going
to
have
a
full
sum.
F
Look
at
this
and
again
I
had
a
conversation
today,
so
I
think
that's
really
important
so
how
we
develop
it
and
about
sustainability.
You
know
everyone
knows.
I
oppose
the
development
that
got
passed
a
few
weeks
ago
because
it
presented
risks
to
our
community,
but
you
know
council's
wisdom
spoke
and
said
they
want
to
have
that
kind
of
development.
So
we're
going
to
see
how
we
manage
it,
we're
going
to
talk
about
transit
and
whether
it
can
reach
certain
areas.
F
We're
going
to
talk
about
broadband
and
broadband
is
so
important
and
I'm
so
thankful
we're
going
to
have
a
motion
com
next
week
about
council
support
for
advancement
of
broadband
services
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
you,
know
some
roads
and
and
and
and
place
where,
where
where
it
could
and
should
be,
how
we
would
develop
a
park
potentially.
So
all
these
things
are
just.
This
is
a
great
time
to
have
some.
You
know
it's
a
think
tank
kind
of
thing
too
right.
So
I'm
all
for
that,
and
I
really
want
that.
F
I
really
hope
it
that
we
can
advance
the
the
process
and
that's
what
laura's
job
is
to
do
to
really
really
boil
it
down
to
see
what
we
can
do
and
what
could
be
acceptable
to
our
our
community
as
well,
within
the
official
plan,
with
a
new
interpretation
kind
of
provincial
policy
statement.
These
are
things
that
are
important,
so
I'll
stop
for
a
minute,
and
hopefully
I
can
hear
and
listen
to
other
things
too,
and
and
that
we
can
capture
the
essence
of
of
of
this.
That's
so
important
and
laura.
That
makes
sense
right,
laura.
B
G
Just
had
to
get
community
yeah,
just
just
on
the
engagement
part,
you
mentioned
that
it's
gonna
be
starting
tomorrow.
I
believe.
Is
it
just
one
round
of
engagement,
because
just
just
on
that,
I
find
that
sometimes
the
initial
round
of
engagement,
I'm
sure
council
roosterhoff,
would
agree
as
well
as
many
other
counselors.
Sometimes
the
initial
round
of
engagement
is
more
about
just
raising
awareness
that
the
engagement
is
even
happening.
So
sometimes
what
will
end
up
happening
is
the
engagement
happens
and
then
everybody
becomes
aware
of
it
kind
of
after
it's
closed.
C
Thank
you
chair.
It
is
to
actually
address
councillor
boehm
and
I
think
his
point
is
very
well
taken
part
of
the
process.
Engagement
we've
actually
extended
the
period.
I
know
we
were
looking
originally
at
about
two
weeks.
We've
extended
a
whole
another
week
and
we
actually
added
this
new
ideas
platform,
which
gives
that's
actually
something
unique
for
the
the
rural
engagement.
So
beyond
the
the
basic
I
think
there's
14
or
17
questions.
Some
of
them
are
specific
to
rural.
C
We've
asked
the
city's
communication
department
to
have
a
major
blitz
which,
as
I
said,
we'll
launch
tomorrow,
we'll
be
doing
some
media
with
that,
but
also
social
media
posts,
so
they'll
be
quite
extensive.
We'd
certainly
be
very
grateful
to
to
this
committee.
If
you
have
any
any
contacts,
I'm
thinking
in
terms
of
some
of
the
ratepayers
associations,
homeowners,
associations,
that
we
could
send
out
the
the
link
to
these
groups
to
make
sure
that
that
the
survey
is
gets
good.
G
Oh
perfect,
thanks
just
in
follow-up
to
that
some
of
the
criticisms
that
we
kind
of
often
get
is
you
know
you
have
you
have
the
initial
engagement
and
then
there's
kind
of
like
something
from
that,
but
it
never
goes
back
to
the
community
again
to
sort
of
like
vet.
What
came
out
of
the
engagement
to
see,
if
that's
actually
what
was
intended
from
kind
of
the
community's
engagement?
So
it's
is
there.
I
know
we're
only
going
to
meet
again
in
december,
and
this
is
sort
of
is.
G
To
be
another
opportunity,
sort
of,
I
guess
you
know
not
to
kick
the
can
down
the
road
and
delay
this,
but
basically
say
like
here's
everything
we've
heard
did
we
get
it
right
is?
Is
this
does
this
line
up
with
what
people
see?
So
is
there
going
to
be
that?
I
guess
that
vetting
process,
because
I
know
as
counselors?
That's
probably
one
of
the
hardest
things
we
deal
with
is
is
engagement's
always
tricky,
but
I
think
too,
you
know.
For
instance,
you
know
when
it
comes
to
just
accessibility
to
the
engagement.
C
So
counselor
you,
you
read
our
minds
100
one
of
these
one
of
the
suggestions.
Actually
we're
going
to
approach
the
staff.
The
clerk's
staff
was
to
perhaps
use
this
committee
actually
as
that
sounding
board,
because
they
are
duly
representative
and
appointed.
We
were.
We
were
wondering
whether
there
was
any
appetite
or
ability
to
actually
have
a
special
meeting.
Perhaps
after
the
the
survey
closes,
we
can
consolidate
some
of
that
information
and
present
a
little
bit
more.
C
We,
it
was
pretty
thin
and
for
a
very
good
reason.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
time
this
evening,
but
maybe
present
a
little
bit
more
data,
a
little
bit
more
information
on
sort
of
what
we're,
what
we're
finding
what
people
are
saying
and
and
allow
this
group
to
to
be
that
sounding
board.
If
there
is
interest
on
this
group's
part.
B
Yes,
exactly
so,
certainly
we
can
be
in
touch
to
see
the
timeline
that
you're
operating
with
and
call
a
special
meeting
to
continue
this
conversation.
I
personally
believe
that
this
is
of
of
deep
interest
for
the
rural
advisory
committee,
seeing
the
nods
around
the
cameras.
I
think
that
there's
certainly
a
lot
of
interest
for
this,
so
hopefully
we
can
pursue
the
conversation
on
this.
I
see
allison
your
hand
was
raised,
so
I
believe
you
have
a
question
to
ask
as
well.
I
To
think
that
we
can
accomplish
good
consultation
in
three
weeks.
There's
no
way.
We
have
to
be
realistic
because
we're
also
dealing
with
a
different
audience.
The
rural
community
is
very
different
than
the
city
and
and
and
how
they
like
to
do
business
and
how
they
like
to
be
communicated
with,
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
very,
very
careful
that
we
have
a
as
inclusive
and
well-rounded
conversation
as
possible,
and
that
is
going
to
take
a
little
bit
of
a
little
bit
of
time.
B
Absolutely
thank
you
allison
for
making
that
point.
I
also
believe
that
the
situation
is
severely
exacerbated
by
the
covid
pandemic,
of
which
I
don't
really
know
for
a
fact,
but
I
would
have
the
impression
that
it
disproportionately
affect
rural
businesses
just
by
de
facto
and
by
some
some
of
the
measures
put
in
place
with
shopping
and
farmers
markets
and
a
lot
of
things
this
summer.
That
would
have
been
interrupted
due
to
our
measures,
so
certainly
a
lot
of
interest
here
to
to
push
us
forward
craig.
C
B
Excellent,
I
do
have
a
question
myself
before
we
move
to
to
questions
from
members
of
the
public.
So
my
question
is
from
the
section
of
the
report
on
financial
considerations.
It
is
mentioned
that
it
has
not
been
fully
costed
and
have
not
been
budgeted
for
within
the
city's
budget
capital
budget.
Do
you
foresee
any
hurdles
and
challenges
with
that?
C
That's
a
good
question,
chair
conway,
I
would,
I
would
wouldn't
I'll
let
the
counselors
make
some
comments
after
I
make
a
comment,
but
certainly
the
the
financial
situation
is
is
a
concern
right
now,
given
the
pandemic,
the
impacts
the
pandemic
have
had
on
on
city
finances.
That
being
said,
you
know
there
are.
There
are
resources
we
do
have
budgeting
and
we
have
capital
budgeting
processes
going
forward.
Budget
deplorations
will
be
in
early
in
the
new
year.
C
We're
starting
work
on
on
preparing
of
city
budgets.
We're
also
very
active
part
of
my
office
is,
is
responsible
for
sourcing
grant,
funding
from
other
levels
of
government
and
other
organizations.
We
are
keenly
aware
that
that
will
play
a
very
important
role
in
some
of
the
projects
that
we're
we're
exploring.
So
you
certainly
have
my
commitment
to
be
looking
for
opportunities
for
for
grant
dollars
for
special
projects
that
might
be
identified
as
part
of
as
part
of
the
strategy.
E
Yours,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
craig.
Those
are
excellent
points
that
lead
into
what
I
wanted
to
raise.
So
I
was
the
member
for
agriculture
on
this
committee
on
this
committee.
It's
always
frustrating
being
in
a
urban
center
that
has
a
vast
agricultural
area,
because
there's
a
series
of
organizations
out
there
called
the
community
futures
development
corporations,
the
cfdc's
and
they
are
targeted
at
supporting
rural
businesses
but
being
inside
the
kingston
municipal
limits.
E
The
name
escapes
me
right
now,
but
I
know
they're
trying
to
do
goat
milk
and
of
little
surprise
to
those
of
us
in
the
legal
community
an
obstacle
to
the
economic
success
of
that
business
is
the
use
of
prison
labor.
Those
of
us
who
are
familiar
with
international
trade
laws
saw
it
coming
a
mile
away,
but
it
only
really
became
an
issue
once
they
actually
started
getting
operational.
E
C
Great
great
comments,
john
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
cftc's.
Actually
I
was
a
executive
director
before
I
joined
the
city
of
kingston
down
in
perseverance
county,
so
very
familiar
with
the
the
programming
that
they
have
certainly
there's
a
lot
of
really
great
lessons
to
learn
in
our
surrounding
communities:
prince
edward
county
linux,
noddington,
northumberland,
with
the
artisan
food
and
artisan
agricultural
food
opportunities,
and
certainly
that
would
tie
in
very
nicely
with
the
discussions
that
took
place
last
week
at
council,
about
food
security
and
and
how
do
we?
C
How
do
we
use
the
the
incredible
lands
we
do
have
to
address
some
issues
of
food
security,
but
also
incredible
economic
development
opportunities?
So
I
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
we're
pushing
a
rural
economic
development
focus
is
to
identify
just
these
very,
very
programs.
You
know
one
that
we
were
looking
at
a
couple
years
ago
was
around
the
issue
of
succession,
and
I
know
the
farm
credit.
C
B
A
Sure,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
There
are
three
members
of
the
public
who
are
in
attendance.
I
would
just
like
to
remind
them
that
if
they
wish
to
speak,
they
need
to
use
the
raise
hand
tool
within
zoom
to
use
that
tool
just
go
over
that
again
quickly.
If
you
click
on
the
participants
icon
in
the
lower
menu
on
the
screen,
that
will
load
a
list
of
participants
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
your
screen
at
the
bottom
of
that
section,
there
is
a
little
button
that
says
raise
hands.
A
B
A
J
Oh
well
good
evening,
everyone,
okay,
so
my
question
just
has
to
do
with
it.
Unfortunately,
like
john,
there
was
some
confusion
on
when
the
time
started,
so
I
missed
the
very
first
part
of
the
presentation
in
the
executive
summary.
It
mentions
the
establishment
of
rural
business
parks,
so
my
question
is:
are
we
looking
broader
than
that,
or
is
it
just
we're?
Looking
at
establishing
rural
business
parks.
B
E
I
would
like
to
make
a
more
tangible
proposal,
which
is
something
that's
been
on
the
menu
for
the
former
pittsburgh
township
for
as
far
as
I
know,
since
they
merged
that
is
the
relocation
of
the
kingston
fairground
in
the
middle
of
the
city.
It
seems
to
no
longer
be
fire
safe
and
once
upon
a
time,
I
believe
the
concept
was
that
it
would
move
to
grass
creek
park.
B
B
B
Excellent,
wonderful,
so,
if
nothing
is
is
needed
at
this
time
of
the
rural
advisor
committee
meeting,
we
can
move
on
to
to
the
next
business
item.
So
thank
you
craig
for
for
being
with
us,
and
thank
you
laura
for
your
very
eloquent
presentation.
We
really
appreciated
your
your
presence
today
and
your
patience
as
we
got
started
tonight.
D
B
K
Oh,
that's
great,
it's
great
to
be
here
and
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
present
the
role
advisory
committee.
I'm
joined
this
evening
with
by
with
deputy
chief
kevin
donaldson
and
also
in
attendance,
is
chief
fire
prevention
officer,
ted
posadowski
they're,
going
to
provide
a
brief
summary
of
some
changes.
We've
made
to
open
air
burning.
L
Good
evening,
and
and
thank
you
very
much
for
having
us
tonight
to
talk
to
you
about
our
open
air
policy
and
and
discuss
the
the
the
policy
and
the
bylaw
that
we'd
like
to
present
to
council
so
open
air
burning,
open
air
burning
is
defined
as
any
fire
or
burning
practice.
That's
conducted
outside
of
a
building,
including,
but
not
limited
to
bonfires
fires
in
burn
barrels
and
outdoor
recreational
appliances
in
the
the
province
of
ontario.
L
Currently
kingston
and
fire
rescue
has
an
internal
guideline
regulating
open
air
burning
within
the
city
of
kingston
and
beyond
the
framework
within
the
ontario
fire
code.
There's
not
a
policy
or
bylaw
to
effectively
regulate
compliance
of
the
open
air
burning
across
the
city
of
kingston
we'll
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please.
L
L
L
L
On
the
map,
you'll
see
there's
a
red
zone
in
the
yellow
zone,
and
these
zones
are
consistent
with
the
current
guidelines
that
kingston
fire
and
rescue
has
for
open
air
burning.
So
it
adds
the
proposal.
The
proposed
bylaw
would
add
flexibility
to
the
red
zone
with
regards
to
agricultural
and
brush
fires.
L
L
So
this
chart
shows
the
the
type
of
burning
that
would
be
allowed.
The
current
allowances
are,
the
sizes
of
of
the
fire
allowed.
Current
distance
is
the
setbacks
from
other
combustibles
property
lines,
fences
and
other
burning
materials,
other
materials
that
burn,
and
then
the
proposed
next
column
is
the
proposed
allowances.
B
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
to
add
to
kevin's
comments.
What
we've
people
are
going
to
wonder.
Also
what's
changed
so
previously,
the
requirement
was
in
the
rural
area.
People
were
to
call
in
prior
to
burning.
Now.
If
you
did
call
in
that
was
great
and
much
appreciated
what's
happening
now.
Is
we're
going
to
be
proposing
that
you
call
in
once,
per
year,
prior
to
burning
and
and
you'll
be
filling
out
a
permit
on
on
the
city's
website?
K
L
Okay,
thank
you
so
yeah
you
you'll
see
with
the
in
the
brush
and
agricultural.
On
the
current
slide.
You
see
it's
not
applicable
so
in
in
currently,
fires
were
limited
to
one
meter
by
one
meter
by
one
meter
in
the
in
the
red
zone
or
the
current
north
zone,
and
the
proposed
allowances
would
be
for
brush
you'd,
be
allowed
a
three
meter
by
three
meter
by
three
meter.
Fire
and
agricultural
would
be
six
meter
by
six
meter
by
six
meter.
L
So
the
next
slide
shows
the
the
yellow
area
on
the
previous
slide
with
the
map
and
there's
approved
appliances
as
well,
and
this
is
as
it
was
in
the
north
and
the
current
distance
of
approved
appliances
from
any
combustible,
other
combustible
materials,
property
lines,
etc.
Was
three
meters
and
we're
proposing
that
that
be
moved
to
five
meters
to
add
an
extra
safety
zone
around
the
approved
appliance.
L
So,
as
chief
armstrong
mentioned,
we're
proposing
that
all
open
air
burning
will
require
annual
authorization
prior
to
burning
in
in
the
form
of
a
permit
and
also
on
the
permit.
The
individual
that
is
present
and
in
control
of
the
open
air
burn
must
be
the
individual
applied
identified
on
the
open
air
burn.
Permit.
Also
that
person
must
have
necessary
means
to
extinguish
a
fire
limit,
is
spread
and
summon
kingston
fire
and
rescue.
G
Thank
you
andrew
you
met
I'm
chair
chief,
I
was
just
wondering
there.
You
mentioned
that
that's
the
person
that's
on
the
permit,
so
I'm
just
curious.
If
two
is,
if
there's
any
been
any
consideration
to,
if
there's,
for
instance,
you
know
a
couple
that
live
on
a
farm
and
it
could
be
either
one
of
them
that
wants
to
clear
the
brush
or
whatever.
G
K
So
I
can
take
that.
That's
certainly
something
we'll
consider
counselor
bowman
in
terms
of
the
the
public
engagement.
We
will
be
summarizing
that
in
the
council
report
we
heard
loud
and
clear
that
they
were.
The
community
was
fine
with
a
permit,
but
they
weren't
fine
with
the
fee
related
to
the
permit.
So
what
we're
proposing
is
probably
just
to
look
at
the
permit
system
without
a
fee
and
see
what
the
experience
is
in
the
first
year
in
terms
of
administrative
burden.
G
Okay,
perfect
thanks
chief
yeah.
I
know
the
community
will
be
very
happy
to
hear
that
because
I
know
there
was
a
lot
of
concerns
that
came
up
during
some
of
the
engagement
around
the
cost
side
of
it
and
how
that
would
play
out
urban
versus
rural
and
things
like
that.
Just
great
feedback,
thanks
chief.
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
This
is
an
awkward
night
for
me
trying
to
communicate.
Thank
you
thanks
ryan
for
that
question,
and
maybe
I'm
gonna
ask
for
the
reply
again,
because
that
might
relieve
I.
I
definitely
received
some
calls
of
stress
from
my
community
and
constituents
and
I
really
want
to
be
part
of
the
process
I
should
have
got
went
to
get
involved,
kingston
I
didn't,
and
yet
I'm
I'm
feeling
a
little
less
stressed
about
it.
F
I
think
that
I
appreciate
that
this
would
might
be
a
precedent
and
and
counselor
bull
might
recognize
that
you
have
a
north
zone
and
a
south
zone.
How
refreshing,
maybe
except
maybe,
hey
ryan.
Maybe
it's
a
new
beginning
that
people
understand
that
the
rural
community
experiences
these
bylaws
differently,
and
so
I
I
want
to
really
tip
my
hat
to
to
the
fire
team
we
have
here
today.
Forgive
me
for
not
saying
all
your
names,
but
I
really
respect
what
you're
doing
so.
F
I
actually
went
out
today
to
our
little
fire
pit
in
our
yard,
which
I
think
about
nine
nine
of
my
neighbors
all
have,
and
we
call
each
other
every
now
and
then
and
have
a
little
get
togethers
and
I
found
60
by
60
very
tiny,
I'm
not
sure
what
60
centimeters
is.
I
should
being
a
contractor.
Is
that
two
feet?
F
F
K
Just
to
add
to
ted's
comments,
counselors,
we
probably
won't
be
going
out
with
a
tape
measure
and
and
checking
the
things.
Obviously,
our
responses
into
the
community,
both
in
the
rural
and
urban
parts
of
kingston,
our
area
of
responsibility
will
often
be
complaint
based
and,
as
I
said
at
the
opening
comments,
it's
a
very
emotive
issue
and
it's
generally
not
going
to
touch
on
people
that
you
know
are
respectful
of
of
their
neighbors
property.
K
F
Okay,
so
is
that
just
so
I
under
you
know,
I
mean
I'm
talking
about
the
no
whatever?
No,
you
know
the
average
rural
home
residents,
so
you're,
saying
what's
coming
you're
proposing
in
the
bylaw
is
that
everyone
with
a
backyard
fire
pit
would
register
and
once
a
year,
and
at
this
time
there
is
no
cost
for
that.
K
That's
correct:
counselors
are
off
that's
what
we're
proposing
and
when
we
got
when
we
took
part
in
the
get
involved
kingston
we
we
were
really
considerate
of
what
we
were
going
to
get
in
terms
of
feedback.
So
we've
taken
that
feedback
and
we
will
incorporate
it
into
the
final
recommendation
going
to
council
and
also
making
sure
that,
as
I
said
earlier
before,
it
was
our
expectation
and
I'm
not
sure
it
always
got
followed.
The
people
in
the
north
zone
were
to
call
in
prior
to
having
each
and
every
fire.
K
Now
we
know
that
wasn't
probably
happening.
So
we
understand
that
this
also
gives
us
an
opportunity
for
the
community
member
to
understand,
through
by
logging
onto
the
website,
accessing
the
permit
to
application
and
there'll,
be
a
series
of
questions
that
will
help
them
and
that's
all
we'll
really
want
annually,
so
that
people
understand
what
the
safety
measures
are:
keep
themselves
safe
and
keep
their
neighbors
safe,
also
both
in
their
own
life
safety
and
the
property
around
them.
B
If
I
may
continue
on
that
vein,
sorry
counselor
sheriff,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
were
finished,
but
just
to
continue
specifically
and
dig
it
a
little
bit
on
that,
so
the
dimensions
were
determined
based
on
public
consultations,
feedback,
not
based
on
best
practices
or
on
evidence
pertaining
to
occupational
health
and
safety.
For
example.
K
K
No,
we
didn't
get
the
the
feedback
on
the
exact
dimensions.
We
took
that
in
terms
of
our
own
risk
management
practices
and
our
exposures
in
the
area
and
and
our
experiences
with
fires.
So
that's
how
we
came
back
and
but
we
did
receive
some
comments
about
the
60
centimeter
measurement
for
a
campfire,
so
we
we
did
incorporate
that
into
our
report.
B
B
F
F
I
think
what
we're
talking
about
is
he
was
concerned
about
was
the
unnecessary
complaints
and
the
cost
that
this
must
be
of
implementing
a
bylaw
like
this,
and
and
so
are
we
thinking
that
with
bringing
clarity-
and
you
know-
confinement
and
showing
an
education
which
I
really
will
support
more
than
bylaws
education
is
critical.
Are
we
thinking
that
it's
going
to
lower
the
unnecessary
must
be
very
frustrating
for
the
fire
departments,
our
volunteer
fires,
the
firefighters
for
the
the
numerous
unnecessary
calls
like?
Is
it
numerous?
F
K
So
in
the
rural
in
the
rural
area,
specifically,
council
roosterhoff,
it's
not
a
you
know
a
pressing
where
we're
being
called
daily
to
complaints
of
burning.
But
what
and
to
your
point
your
earlier
point,
we
do
wish
to
use
this
permit
process
also
as
an
opportunity
to
educate
and
and
then
when
people
are
educated
and
and
conduct
the
fire
open
air
burning
safely.
I
don't
think
the
community
would
have
a
problem
with
that.
K
It's
just
the
the
bylaw
would
kick
in
when
somebody
that
has
complete
disregard
for
for
the
the
safety
of
others
or
themselves,
then
we
would
get
involved.
Also
part
of
it
is
the
issue
about
the
prevalence
of
cell
phones,
especially
in
a
rural
area.
If
somebody
sees
a
fire-
and
they
don't
exactly
know
where
it
is
we're
being
called
out
to
that
situation,
and
they
might
call
it
in
as
an
open-air
burning
complaint,
but
it
could
actually
be
a
structure
fire.
K
So
we
that's
why
we
have
to
send
the
complement
of
staff
that
we're
sending
because
oftentimes
we
just
don't
know,
and
then
we
get
there
and
generally
we
find
out
that
you
know
it's
a
it's.
A
it's
a
large
party,
it's
called
it's
not
being
conducted
safely
and
then
firefighters
are
left
kind
of.
You
know
trying
to
figure
out
what
to
do
next
in
terms
of
getting
that
fire
under
control.
K
F
Yes,
thank
you
for
that.
What's
do
you
know
from
other
municipalities
what
what?
What
where
are
we
headed
if
there
was
an
annual
cost
permit,
for
you
know
backyard
campfires
like
what
or
fire
burns
like
for
there
will
ultimately
be
a
merge
to
an
actual
permit.
What,
where
do
you
think
that
would
be
for
a
year?
What
kind
of
costs
are
we
anticipating
or
do
you
know
what
kitchener
or
you
know
loyalist?
F
K
You
know
some
people
would
say
this
fire's,
okay,
it's
been
beside
my
house,
I've
been
doing
it
there
forever
and
it
might
not
be
okay
with
the
adjacent
neighbor
and
that
concern
is
keeping
that
giving
that
neighbor
lots
of
concern.
So
that's,
ultimately
what
happens?
Is
we
end
up
at
those
those
disputes
about
what's
safe
and
what
isn't
so?
F
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that,
and
I
really
really
appreciate
that
you've
acknowledged
the
education.
I
think
I
think
that's
really
what
the
rural
community
does
have
a
handle
on
that
the
real
you
know
we
we
know
how
to.
I
can't
imagine
that
there's
not
many
situations
because
of
that.
Someone
else
phoned
me
and
said
why.
Why
are
we?
What
about
the
fire
ban
due
to
drought?
Now,
that's
that's
a
that's
a
blanket,
then.
Isn't
it
that's
right,
yeah,
that's
a
whole
different
situation.
That's
a
declaration
on
your.
K
Your
part
that's
right
and
we
we
want
to
be
flexible
within
the
bylaw.
There
will
be
at
times
where
there'll
be
fire
bans
based
on
the
the
relative
humidity
and
the
dryness
in
the
area,
and
then
there
will
be
other
issues
where
there
may
be
a
special
event
that
the
fire
chief
may
give
a
special
exemption
based
on
a
situation
say
that
tourism,
kingston
or
downtown
the
city
is
doing
in
terms
of
promotion,
and
we
will
have
those
inspected.
We
know
that
those
types
of
events
are
supervised.
K
We
know
that
there's
staff
on
hand,
and
we
know
that
people
are
trained
to
look
after
that,
so
they'll
be
definitely
flexibility
within
the
bylaw.
The
rural
area,
as
you've
noted,
is
not
a
huge
concern.
We
really
think
that
what
is
going
to
be
a
benefit
to
the
rural
area
and
this
new
proposal
is
that
there
isn't
that
expectation
that
they
call
in
every
time
they
want
to
have
a
fire
they
go
and
they
they
provide
some
assurances
that
they're
doing
it
safely.
K
It's
going
to
be
acknowledged,
it's
going
to
be
the
permit
will
be
issued
and
they'll
be
able
to.
You
know
maintain
their
properties,
have
those
types
of
fires
that
you
referenced
earlier
with
their
neighbors
and
it'll
be
done
in
a
safe
way
and
it's
considerate
of
everybody,
and
we
hope
that
through
this
new
policy,
that
will
improve
responder
safety
will
improve
the
safety
of
most
importantly
of
our
community
residents
and
their
properties,
and
that
we'll
have
some
clarity
listed
on
in
a
way.
G
G
K
Yeah
save
and
accept
there
will
be
a
bylaw
proposed
that
will
be.
You
know
effective.
We
we
anticipate
if,
if
approved
in
2021,
but
to
answer
your
your
earlier
comment
today
september
2020
no
fires
are
actually
allowed
in
the
city
of
kingston,
it's
actually
prohibited
under
the
ontario
fire
code.
So
what
you're
hoping
to
do
is
provide
that
clarity
on
what
is
approved
by
the
chief
fire
official,
so
that
people
can
have
that
because
we
again
it's
a
very
emotive
issue.
K
G
I
Thanks,
madam
chair,
my
question
for
chief
armstrong
or
deputy
chief
donaldson,
really
pertains
more
to
agricultural
applications.
Is
it
my
understanding
from
a
previous
slide
that
there
is
I'm
specifically
addressing
the
question
of
the
size
of
burn
as
it
would
pertain
to
possibly
agricultural
uses
in
the
rural
part
of
the
township?
I
Was
there
no
previous
allowance,
and
now
there
is
an
allowance
if
it's
an
agricultural
burn
of
six
meters
by
six
meters
by
6
meters,
so
a
little
under
20
feet
is
that
a
new
proposed
size
of
burn
that
didn't
exist
before
and
the
reason
I
ask
if
I
can
just
put
that
in
context.
If
a
farmer
is
looking
to
improve
his
or
her
land,
take
out
a
figure
that
could
lead
to
perhaps
making
improvements.
I
So
I
just
want
a
little
bit
of
clarification
on
that,
because
it's
it
it
when
it
comes
to
that
kind
of
application
for
for
farmers,
specifically
that
doesn't
that
doesn't
give
yeah
that
could
precipitate
more
problems
and
hence
you
know,
could
probably
lead
to
more
complaints
by
neighbors.
Simply
by
virtue
of
the
way
things
have
to
be
done.
K
So
I'll
pass
over
to
ted,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
there
will
be
flexibility
within
the
bylaw
to
have
an
inspection
of
a
of
a
burn
that
might
exceed
a
size.
But
ted
can
provide
clarity
on
the
previous
side
that
we
were
allowing
on
the
unapproved
policy
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
and
now
they
proposed
policy
that
we're
seeking
approval
on
so
ted
go
ahead.
Yes,.
H
H
So
this
will
in
line
us
with
I'm,
going
to
use
loyalist
township
and
nap
and
e
that
currently
have
six
meters
by
six
meters
by
six
meters.
So
you'll
see
that
consistency
there
in
order
to
have
an
agricultural
fire
you'll
have
to
be.
It
means
like
a
farming.
Business
is
defined
by
the
farming,
registration
and
farming
organizational
funding.
Actually
you
have
to
yeah.
You
have
to
need
that
to
actually
have
the
agricultural,
but
we
so
with
that
in
mind,
we
wanted
to
that's
where
we
have
that
brush
fire
option.
H
So
you
have
that
three
meter
by
three
meter
by
three
meter.
We
were
just
finding
out
there
that
the
one
meter
by
one
meter
by
one
meter
wasn't
large
enough.
So
we
it's
all
about
flexibility
and
we
were
yeah.
So
that's
kind
of
the
background
and
just
big
thing:
consistency
with
their
neighboring
neighboring
departments
with
throughout
calf
lna.
So
we're
consistent
with
that.
I
Just
a
supplement,
can
you
hear
me
sorry
reinforces
well
just
the
the
size
of
the
burn.
So
perhaps
is
the
bylaw
going
to
say
that
there
there
needs
to
be
inspection
on
site,
because
I
just
think
you're
going
to
have
more
burns
if
you're
going
to
lies,
possibly
depending
on
the
application,
which
could
require
more
resources.
K
So
we
can
actually,
we
will
consider
that
and
we'd
like
to
keep
it
at
six
meters
by
six
meters
by
six
meters,
but
we
will
provide
some
flexibility
within
the
language
of
the
bylaw,
as
it
gets
developed
to
to
consider
any
request
for
exceptions
and
those
requests
for
an
exceptional
size.
Fire
could
be
inspected
by
our
staff
and
we're
happy
to
do
that.
We'd
rather
go
out
and
make
sure
it's
done
safely
than
to
have
somebody
attempt
to
do
that
and
have
it
get
out
of
control
on
them.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Just
two
questions.
Actually
so
with
any
new
bylaw,
there's
a
question
of
enforcement.
So
in
terms
of
the
draft,
are
we
looking
at
giving
firefighters
the
power
to
issue
tickets
or
lay
fines?
If
there's
a
violation
of
this
new
bylaw,
and
is
it
expected
to
include
anything
about
materials.
K
So
we'll
certainly,
we
will
certainly
have
our
a
provision
in
the
bylot.
Have
our
fire
inspectors
they're
part
their
poa
officers
under
the
provincial
offenses
act,
and
they
they
can
now
lay
charges
under
that
section,
and
we
haven't
decided
whether
we're
actually
going
to
drop
that
down
to
the
company
officer.
Writing
a
ticket
we
think
we'd
like
to
rather
have
the
situation
made
safe
and
then
go
back
and
consider
consider
the
situation
and
and
move
carefully
on
whether
somebody's
going
to
be
charged.
K
Obviously
we're
an
agency
that
seeks
compliance
first
before
we
go
to
that
extreme
level
of
bringing
somebody
into
a
provincial
offenses
court.
But
if
we
did
have
somebody
that
just
outward
refused
to
follow
the
guidelines
and
just
went
ahead
and
did
something
that
we
deemed
to
be
very
unsafe,
then
we
would
lay
charges.
K
So
obviously
we
want
class
a
materials
to
be
burnt
and
obviously
we
don't
want
people
burning,
garbage
rubber
plastics
things
like
that.
We
are
in
the
climate
emergency
and
those
don't
help
with
the
the
climate
crisis
that
we're
undergoing.
So
I
think
the
bylaw
will
spell
out
the
types
of
fire.
That's
that
can
be
had
in
an
open
air
situation
and
obviously
in
the
in
the
south
zone,
where
we're
recommending
an
approved
appliance
that
burns
either
natural
gas
or
propane.
B
Thank
you
considering
the
number
of
questions
we
have
raised
over
30
minutes
of
question
story.
Sorry
for
for
all
those
questions,
I'm
wondering
if
there
would
be
value
in
and
seeing
this
proposed
bylaw,
because
there's
a
lot
of
questions
that
have
rose
from
from
that
before
it
goes
to
council,
so
that
we
can
look
at
it
more
from
that
rural
lens
allison.
You
brought
excellent
points.
K
So
I
haven't,
I
actually
haven't
seen
the
the
draft
by
law,
yet
obviously
the
recommendation
going
to
council
would
be
to
develop
a
bylaw
and
we're
certainly
happy
to
to
engage
as
we're
developing
that
bylaw
we're
we're
projecting
that
january
1.
We
would
like
this
to
take
effect,
although
we
don't
have
too
many
open-air
fires
in
january,
but
in
case
somebody
that
did
want
to
burn
brush.
It's
not
a
bad
time.
To
do
that,
however,
we
certainly
would
be
developing
the
bylaw
and
bringing
that
back
for
for
approval.
B
Excellent,
so
so
we
do
have
your
commitment
of
of
coming
back
to
us
with
this
proposed
bylaw,
if
accepted
by
council.
So
if
council
moves
forward
with
accepting
the
allocation
of
resources
to
develop
this
bylaw
that
we
would
have
a
chance
at
the
rural
advisory
committee
to
have
our
eyes
on
it
before
it
goes
to
be
approved
officially
by
council.
Is
that
correct.
K
B
H
A
A
B
Excellent,
thank
you.
So
I
believe
that
no
emotions
is
required
because
we
do
have
a
clear
action
plan
for
this
moving
forward,
provided
the
decision
and
the
recommendations
made
at
council
in
the
october
meeting.
So
I
believe
we
can
table
this
conversation
for
now
and
resume
it
at
a
later
time,
based
on
the
progress.
That's
being
done,
so
thank
you
for
for
being
with
us
today.
B
B
So
moving
forward,
there
were
no
motions,
no
notices
of
motions,
no
other
business,
no
correspondences,
so
we
get
to
skip
all
the
way
to
number
12
of
the
agenda
to
the
date
and
time
of
the
next
meeting.
The
next
meeting
of
the
rural
advisor
committee
is
scheduled
for
monday
december
7th
2020,
so
mark
your
agenda.
It
will
most
likely
be
through
an
online
platform.
B
B
F
Please
do
I'm
just
wondering
if
it'd
be
better
to
have
the
meeting
in
november.
I
don't
know,
I
guess
the
clerk
decides
that
just
to
give
us,
especially
with
the
aspire.
If
we're
going
to
see
the
you
know
the
proposal,
I'm
not
sure,
when
it's
going
to
come
before
council,
we
really
won't
have
a
chance
to
input.
I
would
really
encourage
allison
if
you're
listening.
F
You
know
some
of
the
concerns
from
the
agricultural
industry
if
there
is
more
input
to
get
involved
with
that
for
the
chief
armstrong
and
donaldson,
and
I
think
that
this
is
that
we
need,
we
could
know
it,
but
I
I'm
just
wondering
if
it's
better
to
move
it
up
a
couple
of
weeks
so
that
we
have
two
there's
only
one
council
meeting
in
december.
Those
two
I'm
checking
my
calendar
over.
So
I
don't
know.
F
Yeah
we
might,
those
are
two.
These
are
very
thank
you.
These
are
very
important
issues
that
the
rural
community
is
both
of
these
are
wanting
to
be
involved
on
so
I'll.
Leave
that
to
you
and
I'm
chair
into
discussion
with
all
of
us
when,
if
we
need
to
have,
I
think
we
might
need
to
have
a
meeting
in
november,
but
I'm
just
thinking
out
loud
with
you.
B
D
A
B
A
I
was
just
going
to
simply
add
a
damn
chair,
but
you
covered
it
off,
but
there
is
a
council
approved
work
plan
with
the
expectation
that
the
committee
will
meet
on
december
7th.
There
are
a
series
of
reports
coming
forward
at
that
date,
so,
as
you
mentioned
you're
more
than
capable
of
calling
a
special
meeting
to
adjust
to
the
new
issues
that
rose
tonight
as
you
did
necessary
thanks.
Thank.
B
Yeah,
absolutely
in
agreement
with
what,
with
what
you're
saying,
also
knowing
that
two
business
items
took
an
hour
and
40
minutes
tonight.
So
certainly
we
don't
want
an
agenda,
that's
too
packed.
So
let's
keep
the
december
7th
meeting
and
within
like
projecting
and
forecasting
that
we
will
call
a
special
meeting
sometime
between
october
and
november,
so
just
be
ready
and
on
your
feet
for
when
that
happens,
all
right.
Okay,
so
I
believe
that
we
can
adjourn
this
meeting.
B
Do
we
have
someone
to
move
the
motion
to
adjourn
this
meeting,
counselor
boam
anyone
to
second?
Second,
second,
john
wornham,
thank
you.
So
I
believe
all
those
in
favor
of
adjournment
of
the
meeting
excellent
all
in
favor.
Thank
you
very
much
and
we'll
chat
in
emails
to
determine
if
there's
a
special
meeting
being
called
otherwise
december
7th
all
right.
Thank
you.
Have
a
good.