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Rural Advisory Committee meeting from February 10, 2021. For full agenda details visit https://bit.ly/2Ot02Dz
A
Okay,
I've
just
sent
them
an
email
with
the
zoom
link
to
make
sure
they
had
it
at
the
top
of
their
emails
in
their
absence
we
are
four
on
seven
may
we
begin
or
I
believe
we
do
form
quorum.
Is
that
correct
elizabeth
correct,
madam
chair?
We
do
currently
have
quorum
as
long
as
mr
allison
can
turn
on
his
camera.
A
A
A
A
B
B
So
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background,
the
city
has
been
working
for
some
time
and
trying
to
promote
or
do
a
better
job
in
promoting
our
local
food
and
local
farmers
and
in
the
last
in
the
last
council,
strategic
priorities
or
a
number
of
priorities
that
were
identified
to
really
focus
on
that.
So
there's
there's
a
presentation.
B
So
those
two
were
added
in
2020
and
the
focus
of
tonight's
conversation
will
obviously
be
on
the
first
one,
which
is
to
streamline
processes
for
markets
and
also
the
springer
market
square
bylaw,
which
we
will
be
discussing
in
more
detail.
I
do
want
to
indicate
to
the
committee
that
tonight
is
for
consultation.
The
actual
amendments
to
the
bylaw
are
planned
to
go
to
the
arts
advisory.
B
Sorry,
the
arts,
recreation
community
policies
committee
later
in
february,
but
we
would
like
to
get
input
from
this
committee.
First
next
slide,
please
so
in
terms
of
the
report:
you'll
probably
notice
that
we
structured
it
in
such
a
way
that
we
want
to
focus
on
three
areas
for
local
food.
One
is
production,
then
processing
and
distribution.
So
production
will
include
things
like
the
community
gardens
that
we
talked
about
in
really
utilizing
the
city's
assets
and
land
to
be
able
to
to
support
some
of
our
local
farmer.
B
Processing
will
have
a
variety
of
different
forms
and
could
include
support
to
social
enterprises,
for
example,
where
we
have
small
businesses
are
starting
up
and
providing
some
space
for
those
to
to
take
place,
and
distribution,
of
course
includes
not
limited
to,
but
includes
our
farmers
market
that
we
will
be
talking
about
tonight.
So
we
have
five
of
them
within
the
city
and
they're
listed
there.
B
B
We
have
memorial
center
farmers
market,
which
has
been
operating
now
for
a
number
of
years,
and
more
recently,
we
had
the
westbrook
farmers
market
added
in
the
west
end,
which
operates
on
a
church
property
and
the
west
market
operated
for
one
year
at
center,
70
and
then
relocated
to
a
a
plaza,
a
commercial
plaza
actually
across
the
street,
and
they
they
actually
didn't
operate
in
in
2020
with
coven
19..
Obviously,
it's
been
a
challenge
and
we
have
the
community
harvest
market
which
is
operated
by
the
kingston
community
health
center.
B
B
B
It
also
provides
you
information
on
their
governance
model,
and
you
will
note
that
some
of
them
do
have
board
of
directors
and
those
are
typically
formed
by
farmers.
So
it's
it's
really
led
by
the
local
farmers
and
they
put
together
their
own
policies
and
their
own
bylaws
in
in
the
case
of
kingston
public
market.
B
B
B
Please
so
part
of
our
our
work
was
to
look
at
these
markets
that
we
work
with,
and
we
have
different
relationships
with
and
try
to
identify
ways
that
we
can
make
some
improvements
to
really
help
our
local
farmers.
So
that
was
ultimately
the
goal.
How
can
we
support
the
local
farmers
and
the
local
food
in
our
markets?
B
So
when
we
did
do
our
engagement,
we
had
organizations
like
loving,
spoonful,
national,
national
farmers,
union
tourism
kingston,
as
well
as
representatives
from
the
board
of
directors
of
the
kingston
public
market
and
all
of
them.
I
mean
we
came
forward
with
with
a
clear
understanding
that
the
intent
was
to
try
to
find
ways
that
the
city
could
work
more
closely
and
improve
conditions
at
those
markets
for
our
local
farmers.
B
B
So
for
2021,
I
think
you
know
part
of
of
the
issue
that
that
we
have
is
how
we
define
our
our
producers
in
the
current
bylaw,
the
kingston
public
market
biology.
We
have
different
terminology
throughout
the
bylaws.
Sometimes
we
refer
to
farmers
producers.
So
it's
a
little
bit.
It's
vague.
It
can
be
actually
quite
confusing,
having
gone
back
and
read
and
and
having
read
it
again,
so
there's
definitely
a
recommendation
to
look
at
ways
to
simplify
these
right.
These
definitions,
so
everybody
has
a
clear
understanding
of
what
a
producer
is
a
reseller
and
a
crafter.
B
The
second
one,
I
think,
was
probably
the
most
critical
point
that
we
heard
across
the
board
and-
and
I
was
loud
and
clear-
currently,
the
bylaw
at
the
kingston
public
market
requires
all
producers,
so
people
that
I
have
farms
to
attend
eighty
percent
of
the
time
of
their
three
days,
because
it
is
a
market
that
runs
for
three
days,
tuesday,
thursday
saturday,
in
order
to
maintain
their
seniority
and
what
that
does.
Obviously,
if
they
maintain
their
seniority,
is
they're
able
to
get
a
better
location
at
the
market.
B
So
for
those
of
you
who
are
familiar,
you
know
the
front
row
is
right
along
king
street,
and
then
you
have
the
second
row
and
the
third
row.
Obviously
most
vendors
want
to
be
in
the
first
row,
because
that's
where
you
get
most
visibility,
the
ability
to
get
to
the
first
row
depends
on
your
attendance.
B
So
if
you
are
a
farmer
or
producer
in
this
case-
and
you
have
to
attend
to
your
farm,
you
may
not
be
able
to
make
your
your
80
of
your
three
days.
Then
you
automatically
get
penalized
and
you
get
a
less
preferred
location
in
the
square
which,
which
is
entirely.
This
goes
against
everything
we're
trying
to
do
in
terms
of
promoting
our
local
farmers,
and
it's
kind
of
ironic
that
that
the
local
farmers
are
are
being
penalized
in
this
way
for
not
being
able
to
to
attend
as
frequently
so.
B
So
this
change
would
would
align
essentially
with
what's
being
done
with
the
memorial
center
farmers
market
and
it's
something
that
the
producers
indicated
was
critical
in
terms
of
retaining
and
also
attracting
new
local
farmers
in
the
springers
market
square,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there
are
no
impact
on
seniority
for
for
producers,
meaning
that
they
can
keep
maintaining
their
location
as
a
as
hopefully
a
first
row
location
and
get
more
visibility,
and
I
think
that's
critical
for
those
local
farmers
next
slide.
Please.
B
Through
the
our
conversation
with
the
memorial
center
farmers
market.
I
think
they
were
quite
clear
that
they
already
somewhat
do
that.
So
this
would
formalize
a
process,
but
what
it
would
do
is
it
would
allow
them
to
pay
a
reduced
fee
as
well
and
again
trying
to
better
support
these
local
farmers
and
producers.
B
It
also
ties
into
the
food
security,
because
we
know
that
food
security
has
been
a
high
priority
since
2019
and
there's
been
a
lot
more
demand,
so
we're
trying
to
to
target
both
needs
at
the
same
time.
With
this
particular
recommendation,
the
the
additional
ones
are
related
in
part
two
to
the
marketing
and
programming.
B
B
But
what
we
heard
from
the
other
markets
was
that
they
could
also
benefit
from
some
additional
marketing
and
and
that
expertise
so
working
with
our
partners,
tourism
kingston.
They
actually
offered
to
provide
some
of
that
support
in
2021
and
really
highlight
some
of
these
other
farmers
market
that
we
have
in
the
community
and
especially
the
the
memorial
center
farmers
market,
which
has
been
and
continues
to
be
operational
during
program
19.
B
B
Currently
we
have
a
number
of
vendors,
obviously
that
have
wonderful
offerings,
but
it's
limited
or
or
non-existent
in
terms
of
the
type
of
experience
around
tasting
or
cooking
demonstration,
those
types
of
things
that
we
could
actually
do
in
the
market
to
really
bring
it
more
to
life
and-
and
that's
you
know
the
whole
intent
here.
How
can
we,
how
can
we
bring
this
market
more
make
it
livelier
and
attract
more
people
to
want
to
come
there
and
spend
time
at
the
market?
B
So
that's
definitely
one
of
the
ways
that
was
identified
by
some
of
the
vendors
and
our
local
food
producers
at
the
kingston
public
market.
They
felt
it
would
be
great
if
we
could
have
this
offering
with
tables
and
chairs
where
people
could
actually,
you
know,
take
their
sampling,
eat
and
just
and
and
shop
at
the
same
time,
but
really
enjoy
the
atmosphere
there
in
the
market
next
slide.
Please.
B
So
looking
at
longer
term
changes,
so
the
ones
that
I
just
went
through
are
changes
really
that
are
targeting
2021
and
we
understand,
obviously
that
that
the
season
is
going
to
start
soon
that
the
farmers
are.
You
know
right
in
their
planning
right
now
for
for
their
season,
so
there
are
a
number
of
changes
that
we
recognize
will
take
more
time.
B
So
this
is
definitely
something
that
would
be
applicable
in
a
support
to
all
markets.
We
heard
a
lot
about
a
year-round
market,
so
an
indoor
market.
We
know
that
currently
memorial
center
barns
are
being
somewhat
utilized
at
time
for
indoor
market
space,
but
obviously
it
hasn't
been
designed
to
do
that.
It's
not
heated,
so
it
gets
quite
cold
in
there
and
and
there
definitely
would
need
to
be
some
upgrades
provided
to
to
these
facilities.
B
But
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
that
if
it
is
a
three
days
per
week
attendance
we
need
to
really
think
about.
How
do
we
make
that
sustainable
if
our
local
farmers
are
telling
us
that
one
day
a
week
is
really
the
maximum
that
they
can,
it
can
provide
for
to
be
present
in
the
market.
So
this
is
a
significant
change.
B
Not
just
you
know,
individual
market
association,
but
one
that
would
essentially
oversee
all
the
markets
and
provide
support,
and
this
is
where
the
position
of
a
market
manager
can
become
even
more
critical
to
help
support
this.
This
association,
that
represents
currently
five
markets,
but
that
could
also
grow
with
time
next
slide.
Please.
B
A
Excellent,
thank
you
very
much
for
being
here
and
for
briefing
us
on
on
this
very
important
matter.
It's
been
a
long
time
since
you
have
been
at
the
rural
advisory
committee
just
for
for
reference
for
the
other
members,
miss
hertle
used
to
be
in
attendance
to
every
meeting
a
couple
of
years
ago.
So
I
think
I'm
the
long-standing
member
here
perfect,
so
for
briefings.
The
way
we
are
going
to
proceed
is
we
have
questions
from
members
of
the
committee.
A
We
currently
do
not
go
to
members
of
the
public
for
questions,
but
people
will
have
the
opportunity
to
raise
their
hand
for
questions
when
we
open
up
the
business
item,
which
is
a
very
similar
topic
of
local
food
strategy
and
market
support.
So
there
will
be
an
opportunity
for
members
of
the
public
a
little
bit
later
on.
So
we
will
focus
on
questions
from
the
committee
members.
C
B
Thank
you
and
improvement.
I'm
chair,
I
I
don't
have
the
information
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
believe
we
do
have
some
that
are
actually
possibly
from
the
county.
So
when
I
say
the
county
I
mean
the
front
neck
area.
Obviously
we
went.
We
wouldn't
certainly
have
it
open
for
farmers
coming
from
all
the
way
from
prince
edward
county.
We
would
try
to
limit
it
to
our
closer
to
our
boundaries,
but
I'll
have
to
double
check
that,
and
I
can
get
back
to
you
on
that.
D
So
the
last
item
that
you're
talking
about
the
farmers
only
market-
that
sounds
wonderful
in
some
worlds,
but
in
my
world
we
find
it
extremely
difficult
to
go
to
the
market.
We've
done
it
for
quite
a
number
of
years,
because
it
takes
so
much
manpower
and,
depending
on
the
weather,
how
successful
you're
going
to
be.
D
D
And
yes,
I
realize
I'm
not
going
to
have
that
one-on-one
with
customers
and
whatnot,
but
I've
never
been
to
the
market
and
my
wife,
I
think,
did
it
for
a
while,
but
we
always
have
to
hire
somebody
to
do
it
because
we're
busy
farming.
So
I
don't
know
if
anybody's
thought
about
that
way
of
looking
at
it
to
me.
It's
a
great
option
that
we've
never
utilized.
It's
no
different
than
me
dropping
stuff
off
at
all
the
restaurants
in
kingston.
D
B
B
I
I
mean
I'd
like
to
to
think
that
we
can
grow
that
locally
here,
but
but
we
know
that
that's
not
the
case,
so
I
think
if
the
approach
was
to
resell
local
food
on
behalf
of
a
are
a
local
producer
that
cannot
be
present.
I
think
that's
definitely
something
that
we
would
incorporate,
but
when
it
it,
you
know
it's
something
that
we
know
for
sure
is
not
growing.
There's
no
way
it's
growing
locally.
B
E
Sure,
through
the
chair,
thank
you
has
there
been
any
thought
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
momentum
towards
making
the
kingston
public
market
a
farmer's
only
and
if
that
does
indeed
happen,
how
will
that
affect
the
farmer
participation
at
the
one
day,
farmer
only
market
at
memorial
center,
which
is
driven
by
the
farmer
members
who
are
there
and
and
coupled
with
that,
you
have
to
think
about
the
audience.
Who
is
the
customer
who
is
attending
those
markets?
E
I
would
suggest
they're
very
different
customers,
the
people
who
attend
and
shop
at
the
not
that
I've
shopped
there
I
haven't,
but
my
senses
is
talking
to
other
vendors
who
are
there
is
that
you
know
they're
they're
people
from
the
community.
Perhaps
that's
not
the
same
customer
base
that
would
be
compelled
to
shop
at
the
kingston
public
market,
maybe
more
tourism-based.
E
I
think
we
have
to
look
at
a
holistic
approach
and
it's
only
one
part
of
the
puzzle,
because
your
discussion
coming
up
shortly
about
tourism
has
a
fundamental
bearing
on
how
much
time,
energy
and
resources
you
put
into
making
significant
changes.
I
think
at
kingston
public
market
for
two
reasons:
do
you
have
enough
farmers
to
support
both
markets
in
the
short
term,
perhaps
in
the
long
term?
But
if
you
decide
to
make
significant
changes
at
kingston
public
market,
there
could
be
some
farmers
who
say
I
can
go
there.
E
If
I
only
have
to
attend
one
day,
they
may
find
they
are
going
to
be
more
profitable
attending
kingston
and
again
it
comes
down
to
manpower.
Do
they
have
the
people
to
work
at
both
markets?
We've
got
a
sunday
market
and
a
tuesday,
thursday,
saturday
market.
You
know
those
two
significant
markets,
let
alone
the
ones
in
the
west
end.
So
there's
so
many
other
factors.
E
You
have
to
think
about
the
the
people
who
will
fill
the
stations,
the
farmers
themselves,
who
have
a
hard
time
getting
there
for
one
day
a
week,
opening
it
up
to
more
stations
exclusively
being
available
for
farmers,
downtown
kingston,
who
can't
commit
to
more
than
one
day
a
week.
The
city
of
kingston,
I
think,
is,
is
going
to
want
to
keep
that
space
filled
to
capacity.
B
Thank
you
and-
and
I
think
those
are
very
good
questions
and
comments,
and
and
you're
right
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
one
market
does
not
impact
the
other,
meaning
we're
not
essentially
stealing
the
the
farmers
away
from
the
moral
center
and
essentially
just
moving
them
to
the
downtown
kingston
public
market,
and-
and
we
did
have
that
conversation
with
representatives
from
the
memorial
center
market
board
of
directors.
So
so
we're
we're.
B
Quite
aware
of
that,
and
I
I
think
you
know
your
comment
about
making
sure
that
we
have
sufficient
activity
for
three
days
a
week
and
I
agree
with
you.
I
don't
think
there
would
be
an
appetite
to
to
reduce
the
public
market
to
a
one
day
a
week
market.
So
we
need
to
make
sure
that
somehow
we
have
sufficient
vendors
in
place
to
do
that.
B
You're
you're
correct
that
they
may
be
attracting
different
clientele.
I
think
you
know
they're.
Definitely
the
one
downtown
has
a
lot
more
tourists,
there's
no
question
about
that
and,
as
there
are
more
residential
development
downtown,
I
think
we'll
continue
to
see,
though
people
in
the
downtown
looking
for
fresh
food
options
in
the
market,
so
there
there
is
a
lot
to
work
work
through
and
I'm
not.
You
know,
I'm
not
saying
that
this
is
necessarily
the
way
that
the
end
result
will
will
be.
A
Thank
you
and
those
are
such
excellent
points.
I
think
I
see
your
hands
charles
I'll
just
make
my
point
very
quickly.
I
think
it's
very
difficult
to
see
past
coven
19
and
that
I
really
think
a
lot
about
the
current
circumstance
and
the
the
upcoming
summer
and
what
happens
if
people
can't
attend
markets
right?
How
do
farmers?
How
are
farmers
going
to
be
able
to
sell
their
goods?
It
requires
very
rigorous
online
platforms,
somewhat
expensive
through
shopify.
A
It
needs
an
organize
like
it
needs
organized
farmers
to
make
that
happen,
and
it
requires
a
lot
of
resources
for
curbside,
pickup
and
drop-offs,
so
just
curious
to
know
if
there
are
ways
to
help
mitigate
some
of
the
pressures
of
coven
19
that
the
farmers
may
experience.
I
know
we're
in
this
uncertainty
and
the
bylaw
we're
talking
about
something
that
has
a
longitudinally
like
we're
talking
about
many
years.
We
don't
want
to
revise
this
by
law
every
year,
but
there's
also
imminent
pressures
that
might
affect
farmers
quite
significantly.
A
B
Thank
you
for
for
those
comments
and
questions
jose.
I
I
think
a
couple
of
things
we
we
have
seen
actually
the
memorial
center
farmers
market
react
quite
quickly
to
copen19
and
organized
curbside
pickup,
which
actually
they've
indicated
that
that's
been
working
quite
well
for
them
and
I'm
I'm
assuming
they
may
actually
want
to
keep
that
in
place
even
after
cobin
19..
B
So
that's
an
example
where
you
know
farmers
association
has
been
able
to
react
and
move
quickly
in
in
response
the
challenge
with
with
the
downtown
it's
that,
like
I
said
earlier,
we
don't.
We
have
a
board
of
directors,
but
the
needs
are
very
different
within
those
because
we
have
a
variety
of
of
different
from
producers
to
resellers
it's
been.
It's
been
challenging
to
to
try
to
get
some
voices
even
at
the
table,
to
to
try
to
get
some
common.
B
What
I
would
call
their
common
market
needs.
It's
been,
it's
been
challenging
because
we
had
members,
some
were
saying:
yes,
you
need
more
flexibility,
you
know
for
for
the
local
producers
and
we
would
have
the
resellers
saying.
Well,
I
should
you
know
I
shouldn't
have
to
be
treated
any
differently.
I
should
have
access
to
the
same
benefits,
so
there
there's
definitely
not
one
voice
there
and
I
think
that's
been
the
challenge
with
this
particular
market
and
it's
its
association.
D
Yes,
so
when
you
were
talking
to
the
different
people,
did
it
also
include
the
farmers
at
the
the
memorial
center
because
they
would
have
a
completely
different
look,
as
ellison
said
on
this,
I
know
a
lot
of
them
depend
on
that
market
and
work
very
hard
towards
the
enemy.
They've
worked
very
hard
with
their
board
of
directors
and
I'd
hate
to
see
that
collapse.
D
D
B
Thank
you
and
through
madam
chair.
Yes,
we
did
have
a
meeting
actually
that
included
some
representatives
from
the
the
memorial
center
farmer's
market,
so
we
haven't
talked
to
everybody.
So
I'm
going
to
be
clear.
We
have
not
talked
to
every
single
farmer
that
participate
just
like
we
haven't
talked
to
every
vendor
of
the
kingston
public
market,
but
we
have
had
conversations
that
included
a
couple
of
their
farmers.
B
B
It's
very
strong
and
if
anything,
in
those
recommendations
that
you
have
in
front
of
you,
you
know
when
we're
looking
at
fee
reductions,
it
would
apply
to
the
memorial
center
farmers
market
as
well.
When
we're
talking
about
indoor
farmers
market,
it
would
probably
I
mean
out
of
all
the
locations
I
can
think
of
memorial
center
would
probably
be
the
most
ideal
because
of
its
current
infrastructure
that
could
be
upgraded
as
well
as
parking
etc.
B
You
know
when
we
look
downtown,
I'm
not
sure
where
we
would
do
that
indoors.
So
there
there's
no
question
that
we
want
to
have
a
better
working
relationship
with
this
particular
market
marketing
was
the
other.
The
other
point
that
came
up
during
our
meeting-
and
this
is
where
you
know
tourism
kingston-
has
did
offer
to
to
jump
in
there
and
and
provide
more
marketing
support
for
the
the
other
farmers
market,
including
memorial,
central
farmers
market.
B
A
Thank
you.
That
was
a
very
comprehensive
response
and
I
think
there
are
you
know
it
shows
a
lot
of
the
complexities
of
the
question
and
I
know
for
myself
just
reading
the
bylaw
my
mind,
I
didn't
know
what
to
make
of
it,
because
I
felt
that
the
biola
was
so
complex
and
I
was
thinking
how
do
farmers
understand
this
by
law?
I
mean
there
are
so
many
clauses
that
you
have
between.
A
If
someone
doesn't
show
between
8
15
and
8
30,
you
can
go
to
x,
place
to
request
a
spot
and
then
I
was
like.
But
where
do
you
go
saturday?
Is
city
hall
open
and
then
who
do
you
call
who's
attending?
You
call
the
bile
officers
like
I
I
just
I
had
a
hard
time
wrapping
my
mind
around
it
and
I
think
it's
just
as
pure
ignorance
of
not
being
afraid
of
not
having
a
booth.
So
my
lack
of
experience
here
made
so
that
I
had
a
hard
time
reading
the
bylaw.
A
So
that's
just
from
my
perspective,
I'm
speaking
in
my
own
name
and
on
my
own
behalf,
so
any
work
that
your
team
is
doing
in
reviewing
this
bylaw,
I
am
sure,
will
have
significant
improvement
in
clarifying
the
language
being
super
clear
and
on
point
with
language.
Maybe
you
know
a
little
with
a
level
of
language
a
little
lower,
because
I
I
felt
myself
having
a
hard
time
focusing
and
getting
through
this
bylaw,
and
it's
really
really
important
for
anyone
in
attendance,
because
it
is
a
very
operational
bylaw.
A
So
it's
something
if
I
was
to
rent
a
booth.
I
would
want
to
understand
this
bylaw
from
top
to
bottom
bottom
back
to
top.
So
a
few
points
I'd
like
to
make
before
we
move
on
and
I
see
allison,
you
have
a
question
as
well.
So
when
you
were
speaking
of
the
additional
programming
in
the
kingston
public
market,
you
had
gathered
so
many
good
ideas
and
I
was
excited
to
hear
about
them-
can't
wait
for
covet
to
be
done.
B
Thank
you
and
three
of
them
chair,
so
it
hasn't
been
it's
not
in
effect.
Now.
The
intent
is
to
hopefully
make
it
effective
as
of
march
of
this
year.
So
and
but
first
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
had
a
chance
to
have
a
dialogue
with
different
groups
and
committees
to
get
more
feedback
and
input.
So
from
here.
B
A
E
B
You
know
the
need
to
think
about
other
options,
because
they
can't
meet
this
this
requirement
and
it
can
be
a
lot
for
people,
and
we
know
this
that
that
are
actually
farming.
So
what
we're
hoping
for
the
first
year
is
that
it
may
help
retain
or
continue
to
retain
those
farmers
that
are
still
at
the
kingston
public
market
as
a
starting
point.
A
You
know
great
points
and
I
think
a
lot
of
it
is.
You
know
a
little
bit
like
a
pilot
project
in
the
in
the
sense
of
trying
to
see
if
that
those
measures
help
to
reduce
the
fatigue
and
mitigate
potential,
more
departures
from
the
public
market,
because
it's
been
dwindling
down
very
slowly.
But
surely,
since
2009
charles,
you
had
a
point.
D
So
something
that
hasn't
been
brought
up
is,
I
think-
and
I'd
have
to
ask
my
wife
on
this,
but
you
would
probably
know
is
that
one
week
notice,
if
the
say
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
go
on
a
saturday
if
there's
some
sort
of
event,
I
don't
know
what
the
event
would
be,
but
so
the
vegetables
in
the
field
don't
know
that
they
only
have
a
week
and
we
still
are
paying
for
that
spot
and
so
there's
an
event
going
on.
But
I
found
it
interesting
a
couple
of
times.
D
I
was
in
kingston
that
there
was
somebody
on
a
corner
selling
food
at
one
of
these
events,
but
we
never
got
the
opportunity
to
set
up
at
an
event
that
would
there
would
be
a
huge
number
of
people
at
probably
would
have
the
opportunity
to
sell
more
produce
but
never
got
the
chance.
So
has
anybody
brought
that
up
because
you
pay
a
lot
of
money?
It's
fairly.
D
I
think
it's
three
to
four
times
as
expensive
to
go
to
the
public
market
as
to
the
memorial
there's
a
huge
difference
in
in
the
scale
of
cost,
so
to
lose
two
or
three
saturdays
to
an
event.
It
gets,
especially
at
the
prime
time
when
your
vegetables
are
the
best
you
know.
Has
anybody
talked
about
that.
B
I
need
to
know
that,
because
I
that
has
not
been
raised,
it
does
happen
a
few
times
a
year,
so
it
the
comments
that
were
raised
were
that
we
needed
to
maintain
a
regular
schedule.
So
if
it
was
to
be
tuesday,
thursday
saturday,
we
needed
to
maintain
that
as
much
as
possible
and
in
the
situation
where,
for
whatever
reason
like
the
tragically
hit,
you
know
once
in
a
lifetime
type
concert
happens,
then
you
know,
I
think
there
there's
an
openness
to
work
but
with
the
city.
B
But
if
again,
if
we're
talking
about
almost
on
a
monthly
basis
that
this
is
happening
which
I'd
like,
I
definitely
would
like
to
know.
If
that's
the
case,
I
think
that
would
become
an
issue
you're
correct
that
the
fee
is
higher
downtown.
There's
no
question.
The
downtown
also
requires
a
market
clerk
so
to
to
the
chair's
comments
earlier
about
who's
there
to
monitor
this
who's,
making
sure
that
nobody's
stealing
my
spot.
B
We
have
a
market
clerk.
That
is
there
three
days
a
week
to
monitor
that
make
sure
people
are
not
stealing
other
people's
spots,
and
I
know
you
know
you
wouldn't
think
that
actually
that
happens,
but
it
does-
and
if
we
didn't
have
a
market
it
would
have
a
market
clerk.
It
would
happen
even
more
so
and
that's
something
that
obviously
maybe
other
markets
do
differently,
because
there's
a
there's,
a
different
sense,
maybe
of
ownership.
B
When
you
look
at
the
memorial
center
farmers
market,
it
is
governed
by
the
farmers
that
are
there.
So
there
is
that
sense,
probably
of
ownership
and
a
different.
I
think
approach
amongst
vendors
themselves,
so
higher
cost
sometimes
will
generate
higher
fees.
But
but
we
are
like,
I
said,
the
reduction
in
fee
would
apply
to
to
the
producers
at
the
kingston
public
market.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
think
we
had
a
lot
of
questions
and
discussion
on
this.
If
everyone
is
in
agreement,
we
can
close
this
conversation
in
this
briefing
and
move
to
the
business
item,
which
is
in
the
similar
vein,
so
we're
going
from
the
micro
level
of
really
speaking
of
you
know
those
individual
farmers
market,
as
well
as
the
public
market,
into
more
of
the
strategies,
we're
expanding
upwards
into
kind
of
this
macro
level
of
the
strategy.
B
B
B
B
We've
been
talking
about
ways
that
we
could
create
food
incubators
and
and
utilizing
underutilized
properties
that
are
in
the
urban
area,
to
look
at
ways
that
we
can
help
those
individuals
that
may
want
to
to
farm,
but
don't
have
necessarily
the
resources
to
get
started
as
farmers.
So
you
know
from
equipment
to
land
to
training.
B
But
I
I
think
we
will
be
able
to
I'm
hoping
we'll
be
able
to
secure
something
this
year,
at
which
point
we
would
come
back
to
this
committee
and
have
further
conversation,
definitely
working
with
our
key
partners,
like
the
national
farmers
association,
as
well
as
loving
spoonful
around
some
of
the
training
that
could
be
provided
for
people
that
may
be
interested
in
in
starting
up
some
farming
activities.
So
all
of
those
elements
are
part
of
what
we're
looking
at.
B
I
I
don't
have
all
the
details
in
this
report
because
I
I
think
we
do
need,
from
a
staff
perspective,
to
do
more
work
on
those
before
we
bring
them
forward.
But
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
on
the
market
itself,
we
were
able
to
bring
this
fairly
quickly,
because
I
recognize
that
the
farmers
are
going
to
be
setting
up
soon
and
wanting
to
have
permits
soon
in
the
kingston
public
market.
A
A
A
It
goes
fully
recognizing
that
we're
still
in
the
preliminary
phases,
almost
conceptual
phases,
not
really
knowing
where
the
public
is
going
to
go,
but
at
least
that
was
my
instinctive
reaction
to
reading
this
very
good
report
that
was
presented
to
us
so
just
laying
it
out
there.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
has
other
question
pertaining
to
more
of
a
strategy
and
more
of
strategic
thinking
or
critical
thinking
that
could
be
of
assistance.
E
E
I
guess
okay
and
I'm
going
to
circle
back
a
bit
to
to,
because
you
really
can't
do
one
without
the
other
you're
talking
about
you
know,
bolstering
up
farmers,
markets,
supporting
farmers
and
then
there's
tourism,
we're
looking
at
very
different
audiences
and
if
we're
look
and
we
have
to
understand
where
do
people
buy
their
food
and
what
is
what
is
that?
What
is
the
impetus?
What
is
the
reason
where?
Where
should
the
resources
be
going?
Should
it
be
going
into
giving
when
we
talk
about
giving
people
better
access
to
food?
E
In
order
to
make
that
happen-
and
that
seemed
to
be
to
me
the
number
one
challenge
for
this
for
kid
to
kingston-
to
ultimately
become
that
unesco
culinary
signature,
canadian
culinary
destination-
is
there
has
to
be
a
lot
of
collaboration
and
in
order
to
get
it
right,
there's
so
many
pieces
of
the
puzzle
because
we
all
know
the
agri-food
business
is
in
is
extremely
complicated
and
it's
not
about
not
just
about
understanding
a
by-law.
But
what
constitutes
farming?
E
What
farmers
are
we
talking
about,
and
and
that's
where
you
know
there
has
to
be
so
much
collaboration
in
order
for
this
to
to
be
successful,
and
that
public
market
is
going
to
be
a
fundamental
importance
if
the
rural
tourism
ontario,
you
know,
division
9
wants
to
make
kingston
a
culinary
destination.
Like
quebec
city
niagara
falls
in
ottawa
that
public
market
is
going
to
be
very,
very
important.
You're
going
to
have
to
have
a
nighttime
christmas
market
and
you're
going
to
have
to
have
an
entertainment
value.
You
have
to
link
it
all.
E
One
piece
of
the
puzzle
because,
yes,
people
want
access
to
food,
they
want
experiences,
they
want
stories
about
their
food,
but
it's
coupled
with
everything
else.
Food
is
at
the
root
of
it,
but
it's
coupled
with
everything
else,
and
that
is
bringing
people
together,
whether
it's
through
entertainment.
E
All
of
that
so
I
mean,
if
this
is
our
opportunity
to
discuss
it,
I
can't
overemphasize
that
enough.
Yes,
it's
important
to
support
the
farmers,
there's
many
many
many
many
kinds
of
farmers
who
put
food
on
the
table
and
they
don't
necessarily
all
grow
vegetables
and
there's
some
large
farmers
and
there's
some
small
farmers
and
we
need
to
understand
how
to
to
their
role
in
bringing
food
to
the
table
and
that
all
relates
to
to
to
tourism
and
as
well.
I
think
in
the
short
term,
as
far
as
I.
E
That
the
second
document
and
collaboration
there's
already
good
initiatives,
very,
very
good
initiatives
that
are
happening
here
locally.
To
my
knowledge,
there
have
been
great
test
tastings
and
chef
demonstrations
in
in
the
public
market
in
years
past-
probably
not
this
past
year,
but
in
years
past
that
can
be
built
upon.
When
you
talk
about
people
who
really
want
to
connect
with
the
producers
who
grow
their
food.
There's
an
excellent
initiative.
E
That's
been
happening
in
the
county
of
frontenac,
the
last
number
of
years
with
the
the
open
farms
event
and
that's
something
that
should
be
expanded
to
not
just
include
farmers
south
front
neck
and
beyond.
It
should
basically
include
farmers
within
the
city
of
kingston
as
well,
so
there's
an
opportunity
for
the
city
and
the
county
to
work
together
to
to
really
build
on
on
that
yeah.
There's
just
yeah,
there's
so
many
pieces
species
to
this,
and
it's
it's
going
to
take
some
time.
It's
an
extremely
lofty
goal.
I
think
it's
very
doable.
E
You've
got
some
great
alliances
with
the
kingston
accommodation
partners.
You
look
at
what
a
group
of
motivated
people
were
able
to
pull
off
just
prior
to
covet.
Last
year,
when
the
briar
came
to
kingston
and
how
you
know
that
basically
brought
a
a
lot
of
good
to
the
kingston
community,
and
you
can
repeat
that
again
and
that's
and
all
of
that
was
well
through
an
event,
but
it
had
a
lot
to
do
with
food
experiences
surrounding
that.
Thanks.
A
B
Thank
you.
I
I
actually,
as
you
were
talking,
I,
I
realized
that
you
were
making
reference
to
the
culinary
strategy
that
is
attached,
so
I
I
am
not
going
to
take
credit
for
the
culinary
strategy
we
do
have
actually
megan
not
on
the
call
this
evening,
who
is
the
executive
director
of
tourism,
kingston
and
megan
has
been
leading
this.
B
We,
the
city,
have
been
working
in
partnership
100
with
tourism
kingston,
but
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
credit
goes
where
credit
is
due
and
and
megan
has
been
doing,
an
amazing
job
leading
that
and
working
directly
with
kingston
accommodation
partners.
And
yes,
it
is
a
very
ambitious
goal.
I
I
agree,
but
I
I
think
there
are
definitely
a
number
of
initiatives
outlined
that
are
quite
doable.
A
Parties.
Thank
you.
Yes,
quite
a
quite
a
rigorous
report,
certainly
and
allison
you
spoke
to
it
so
eloquently
bring
all
of
these
elements
and
the
experience
highlighting
how
the
experience
matters
right.
Food
is
not
more.
It's
not
just
about
food,
but
it's
about
all
of
the
experience,
the
atmosphere,
the
situation,
charles,
please,
what.
D
A
great
job,
allison
100
behind
you,
awesome
you're,
hired
what
I
I
don't
understand,
we're
talking
about
food
security
and
promoting
food
being
grown,
and
but
we're
only
talking
about
tourism
in
the
farmers
markets.
We
have
so
many
stores
that
already
support
us.
It
would
be
awesome
if
we
could
get
more
support
because
there's
a
lot
of
stores
we
can't
even
get
in
through
the
door
just
because
the
way
they're
buying
is
set
up
in
the
manager
doesn't
want
to
talk
to
a
farmer.
D
He
just
wants
to
be
able
to
push
the
buttons
and
bring
it
in
from
their
warehouse.
We've
had
some
some
in
roads,
not
so
much
in
kingston
but
in
say,
ganondorf
way
to
perth
in
those
areas
support.
But
if
there's
any
way
there
could
be
more
support
to
have
the
average
person
to
be
able
to
source
local
food-
and
I
don't
see
that
mentioned,
and
yet
it's
talked
about,
but
that's
in
a
different
way.
I
wonder:
has
anybody
given
that
any
consideration.
B
Thank
you
and
through
them
chair.
So
that's
a
very
good
point.
There's
definitely,
I
think
some
challenges
with
some
of
the
larger
chain
stores
in
terms
of
accessing,
but
I
think
part
of
it
is
also
maybe
that's
a
bit
of
a
question
back
to
you.
If
you
don't
mind,
are
you
finding
that
restaurants,
especially
maybe
not
the
chain,
restaurants,
but
the
local
restaurants?
Are
you
finding
that
they
may
be
more
open
to
working
directly
with
with
local
farmers
and
sourcing
local
food.
B
So
that's
great
and
I
know
that's
part
of
the
work
that
tourism
kingston
had
has
been
doing
for
some
time
in
terms
of
trying
to
promote
that
and
trying
to
get.
You
know
the
restaurants
on
board,
but
you're
right,
there's
more
work
that
needs
to
be
done
to
open
more
doors,
and
some
of
that
does
include
stores.
There's
no
question
that
the
larger
chains
are
going
to
be
they're
going
to
be
challenging
just
because
they
they
have
their
own
processes,
and
we
understand
that.
B
A
A
Okay,
seeing
no
hands
raised,
I
think
we
can
close
the
conversation
on
this
unless
there
are
any
other
comments
from
committee
members,
just
circling
back
once
twice
speak
now
or
not
excellent.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
I'm
fully
recognizing
the
excellent
work.
Mrs
knott,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
excellent
report
and
thank
you
miss
hertel
for
presenting
and
answering
all
of
our
questions
and
comments
tonight.
I
hope
it
was
somewhat
useful
for
you
and
your
team
as
well.
A
B
A
Excellent,
so
at
this
point
of
the
agenda
there
are
no
motions.
There
are
no
notices
of
motion.
There
are
no
other
businesses,
no
correspondences
that
were
shared
with
us
and
the
date
and
time
of
the
next
meeting
is
march
10th
at
6,
00
p.m.
So,
exactly
in
a
month
in
a
month's
time,
we
will
gather
again-
and
this
calls
the
meeting
to
adjournment
she's
called
the
meeting.
To
close,
can
I
have
someone
to
motion
the
closing
of
the
meeting
charles.
Thank
you,
someone
to
second,
it.