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City of Kingston Rural Advisory Committee Meeting held December 7, 2020. For complete meetings details please visit https://bit.ly/3iXTzf3
B
B
Okay,
so
tonight
elizabeth
is
taking
the
place
of
james
as
our
city
clerk,
who
will
be
very
well
representing
us.
Do
you
have
any
words
to
say
before
we
get
started
on
the
agenda
so
tonight
elizabeth
is
taking
the
place
of
james
as
our
city
clerk
will
be
a
very
well
representing
us.
Do
you
have
any
words
to
say
before
we
get
started
on
the
agenda.
D
Sorry,
I'm
sorry
I'm
having
a
bit
of
a
of
a
feedback
here
and
it's
causing
some
confusion.
So
I'm
just
going
to
turn
my
volume
down
here.
Okay,
sorry
about
that,
so
hello!
Everyone
welcome
to
tonight's
meeting.
I
am
going
to
start
it
off
as
we
have
to
do
the
election
of
officers
this
evening.
So
I
will
be.
I
will
begin
as
we
are
already
live
on
youtube
and
it's
six
o'clock
so
welcome
everyone.
E
D
D
D
B
Thank
you,
elizabeth,
it's
nice
to
have
you
on
board.
We
are
very
accustomed
to
to
james,
but
it's
always
nice
to
see
new
faces.
I'm
really
glad
that
we're
all
here.
It's
been
a
while,
since
we
were
all
together
and
now
it's
really
in
the
virtual
format,
so
it's
not
as
personal
but
I'm
sure
we'll
get
it
done
just
as
usual,
so
we're
calling
the
meeting
to
order.
It
is
currently
6.05
and
I'd
like
to
start
with
the
approval
of
the
agenda.
B
So
do
I
have
anyone
to
move
the
motion
of
approval
of
the
agenda
paul
allison,
thank
you
seconded
by
allison,
shannon!
Thank
you,
confirmation
of
minutes.
So
do
I
have
someone
to
move
the
motion
that
the
minutes
of
the
rural
advisory
committee
meeting
number
zero
to
2020?
That
was
a
meeting
of
september.
28Th
is
approved
now
elizabeth.
I
don't
know
if
the
individual
that
moves
this
has
to
move
both
or
if
they're
too
separate.
B
B
B
B
Okay,
perfect,
yes,
I'm
moving
too
fast,
so
all
those
in
favors
for
the
first
one,
the
meeting
of
november
september
28th,
all
those
in
favors,
seeing
full
consensus,
perfect
and
all
those
in
favors
of
the
second
set
of
minutes
for
the
november
2nd
meeting
seeing
all
hands
up.
We
may
move
forward.
Thank
you,
elizabeth
skipping.
Some
steps
here,
gotta
slow
down
all
right.
So
are
there
any
disclosure,
pictionary
interests,
seeing
none?
We
can
move
forward.
B
D
D
B
No
thank
you.
It's
a
good
catch.
We
don't
want
to
miss
on
anything
for
sure
and
as
I'm
skipping
away
on
the
agenda,
it's
good
to
stop
me
if
I'm
reading
too
quick
and
I'm
skipping
something
all
right,
so
the
business
items
are
starting
with
the
winter
maintenance
update.
So
this
is
an
annual
update
that
we
receive
on
an
annual
basis.
G
G
G
Customer
service
concerns
are
reviewed
to
identify
areas
for
improvement
or
problem
areas,
adjustments
to
operations
that
can
be
made
to
prevent
any
issues
from
reoccurring,
and
then
new
infrastructure
is
reviewed
that
need
to
be
added
or
incorporated
into
our
operations
like
the
john
counter,
overpass
or
gibraltar.
Subdivision
next
slide.
Please.
G
G
G
G
G
Please
so
a
few
of
the
other
items,
just
just
to
identify
that
we've
been
working
on
is
changes
to
the
spring
sweeping
in
the
rural
area.
So
in
the
spring
we
have
a
spring
sweeping
program
to
collect
everything
that
is
then
used
in
the
recycled
winter
sand
program.
Over
the
last
two
years,
we've
been
increasing
our
rule
sweeping
in
the
subdivisions
and
trying
to
find
efficiencies
to
expand
that
program
with
our
existing
resources.
G
We
also
have
been
working
with
other
departments
in
the
city
on
a
snow
plow
tracker
application.
So
this
will
be
a
a
public
site
on
our
website
to
view
where
the
road
plows
have
plowed
it.
It
is
just
we're
just
finishing
up
the
testing
and
it
should
be
in
place
alive
before
christmas
and
that'll
be
for
the
whole
for
the
whole
city,
including
public
works
and
contracted
services.
C
G
Plows
for
and
then
for
our
long-term
planning,
we're
always
trying
to
manage
our
material
storage
with
our
existing
facilities,
which
can
be
tight.
So
we
are
long-term
planning
looking
to
be
able
to
increase
our
facilities
to
store
more
salt
and
sand
products,
and
also
looking
at
efficiencies
to
reduce
our
travel
times
for
plows
by
potentially
utilizing
the
creekford
road
facility
to
operate
some
plows
that
are
there
to
plow
westbrook
and
highway
38
just
to
try
to
cut
back
on
our
travel
time.
G
B
Thank
you
kyle.
I
really
appreciated
so
we'll
start
with
questions
from
the
committee
and
then
when
we're
done
going
through
the
questions
from
the
committee,
we'll
open
up
the
questions
to
members
of
the
public
that
are
attending
the
session.
So
are
there
any
questions
from
members
of
the
committee.
A
Well,
you
both,
I
didn't
know
whether
I
should
raise
the
hand
or
raise
there's
two
virtual
and
there's
anyway.
That's
great
really
appreciate
the
presentation
kyle.
I
think,
every
year
in
the
in
the
rural
area,
that
we
all
everybody
is
anticipating
just
the
level
of
service,
but
really
really
it's
been
amazing
for
as
long
as
I
can
remember
it,
but
I
just
wanted
to
ask:
is
there
anything
new
that
we
can
expect
that
that
is
like?
Oh
yeah?
We
we
should
know
this.
A
You
know,
because
you
know,
as
you
mentioned,
even
the
the
efficiencies
for
this
spring
sweep.
I'm
really
surprised.
I
mean
I
live
on
a
very
short
street,
but
many
do
people
do
value
the
street
sweeping,
but
sometimes
it
takes
we're
right
late,
late
spring
before
some
of
the
streets
are
done
out
here-
and
I
do
hear
about
that.
So
I'm
just
wondering
about
anything
new
in
the
plowing.
How
much
what
changes
we'll
see
in
in
the
spring.
G
Through
the
chair,
I
don't
think
I
have
any
specifics
to
give
you
counselor
roosterhoff,
on
major
changes.
There
have
there's
been
some
root
adjustments
more
with
making
sure
that
the
plow
zones
are
adequate
size
for
each
plow,
especially
in
in
kingston
east,
also
incorporating
all
the
cycle
lanes
and
bike
lanes
middle
road
highway
2.,
so
that
will
be
captured
under
our
bike
lane
our
cycle
lane
in
our
winter
maintenance
policy.
G
G
A
Okay,
great,
I
wanted
to
commend
you
and-
and
you
know
the
your
staff
there
on
the
recycling
of
sand.
I
think
that
should
be
advertised.
So
that's
really
good
news
I
mean
4.
000
tons
is
significant,
so
I
certainly
know
that
we
applaud
that
as
a
committee
as
well
and
that's
so
it's
great
great
to
hear-
and
we
appreciate
the
work
that
you
do.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
I
do
have
a
question
myself
for
kyle
in
terms
of
the
road
plows
tracker.
Is
there
any
communication
plan
to
get
that
out?
Some
members
of
the
public
know
that
this
is
a
new
feature
that
they
can
have.
Is
this
an
app
that
people
can
download
to
their
phone?
What
does
it
look
like
so
just
curious
on
the
communication
component,
also,
knowing
that
broadband
issue
is
still
very
real
in
the
rural
areas,
exacerbated
by
you
know
all
of
those
working
from
home
pulling
all
they
can
from
the
internet?
G
D
B
B
G
H
B
D
Yes,
madam
chair,
we
do
have
a
member
of
the
public
with
us,
I'm
just
going
to
remind
them
that
if
they
wish
to
speak
at
this
time,
they
will
need
to
use
the
raise
hand
function.
You
can
find
this
if
you
click
on
the
participants
panel
at
the
bottom
of
your
screen.
It
will
open
up
to
the
right
and
you
will
find
the
raise
hand
function
at
the
bottom
of
that
panel
and
I
do
not
believe
they
wish
to
speak
at
this
time.
B
Excellent,
thank
you
very
much,
so
we
can
move
forward.
Typically,
at
this
time
we
do
a
committee
deliberation
where
we
can
add
any
comments
or
any
other
question
that
we
might
have
pertaining
to
this
report.
Are
there
anything
else
that
any
member
of
the
committee
would
like
to
add
at
this
time,
seeing
none
we
will
move
on
to
the
next
brief.
Thank
you
kyle
for
your
presentation.
G
H
B
B
I
I
However,
many
of
our
programs
cover
rural
and
urban,
with
some
major
council
priorities
in
the
area.
So
I'm
just
going
to
touch
on
some
of
the
kind
of
initiatives
that
public
works
is
involved
in
or
manages
as
far
as
tree
planting
and
tree
maintenance
go
overall,
our
strategies
are
kind
of
based
on
the
urban
forest
management
plan
that
was
established
in
2012,
although
that
plan
is
specific
to
the
urban
area.
Many
of
the
practices
that
are
used
through
that
plan
are
also
used
in
their
in
the
rural
area.
I
So
some
of
the
strategies
and
some
of
the
priorities
involved,
the
doubling
of
the
tree
canopy
that
council
prioritized
in
2016
based
on
previous
inventory
numbers.
It
was
determined
there
were
30
000,
trees,
city-owned
freeze
in
the
urban
boundary,
so
to
double
that
public
works
have
been
looked
at
1930
000
trees
by
2025.,
so
there's
a
long
way
to
go
in
that
program,
because
the
resources
required
were
had
to
be
focused
on
other
initiatives.
I
So
a
lot
of
resources
over
the
last
number
of
years
since
2015
have
been
expanded
to
manage
that
program.
That
program
is
now
moving
into
a
maintenance
phase
where
we
public
works
does
not
have
to
focus
major
capital
dollars
to
continue
to
manage
the
the
emerald
ash,
borer
problem
and
that'll
allow
us
to
focus
our
resources
on
other
initiatives.
I
The
another
program
that
kind
of
touches
on
the
rule
area
a
lot
is
the
trigger
retention
and
tree
client
team
when
development
takes
place.
So
there
are
there's
always
that
consideration
in
the
park
development,
whether
it's
a
place,
structure
or
benches
or
pathways,
but
also
trees,
are
included
in
that
in
that
process.
I
So
recent
parks
developments
have
taken
place
in
shannon's
corners,
hemlock
downs,
brews
mills,
all
involving
tree
planting
as
well
in
the
long
range
waterfront
master
plan,
there's
also
some
broad
improvements
planned
for
many
parks
too,
and
specifically
our
grass
creek
park
in
cecil
and
walmart
grant
park
where
there
were
long-term
plans
to
plant
large-scale
tree
plantings.
In
those
two
cases
of
grass,
creek
and
cecil
or
mcgran
park,.
C
I
Those
plantings
couldn't
have
happened
without
our
partnership
with
crca
and
the
tree
provincial
tree
planting
program
that
they
have
so
we
work
with
them
to
make
these
plantings
happen
and
all
the
city
owned
property
outside
of
those
park.
Settings
has
allowed
the
city
to
plant
43
000
over
42
000
trees,
the
majority
of
which
are
in
the
rural
area.
I
Another
priority
for
the
urban
forest
management
plan
and
set
by
council
is
to
encourage
tree
planting
on
private
property,
and
this
is
one
specific
initiative
that
was
just
in
the
rural
area.
The
samsung
community
benefit
fund.
Many
on
the
committee
will
recall
that
fund
and
how
it
funded
a
tree
giveaway
program
from
2017-2019,
where
there
were
over
5000
trees,
given
away
to
private
residents
in
the
rural
area
to
plant
on
their
private
property.
B
F
Thank
you,
madam
sharon,
for
you
just
quickly
and-
and
I
might
have
missed
it-
I
had
to
step
in,
but
a
lot
of
residents
are
curious
about
whether
they
can
access
some
of
the
trees
that
the
city
plays.
Is
there?
Is
there
more
information
on
that,
because
I
I'm
sure
council,
roosterhoff
and
myself
and
other
counselors
keep
getting
tons
of
questions
on
that,
and
basically
everybody
wants
to
get
it
from
the
same
sources.
F
I
Yes,
absolutely
through,
through
the
chair
part
of
the
initiative,
the
priority
to
encourage
tree
planted
our
private
property
program
that
public
works
developed
to
actually
roll
out
in
2020.
But
in
order
to
the
program,
was
to
allow
tree
sales
to
residents
of
the
city
where
they
could
purchase
a
tree.
The
fraction
of
the
cost
retail
cost
would
be
to
purchase
a
tree
in
a
nursery
and
plant
that
tree
on
their
property.
In
order
to
sell
trees
to
the
public.
H
I
Has
been
just
deferred
here
hasn't
been
postponed,
so
we
hope
to
in
2021
try
again
and
try
that
tree
still
program.
We
have
a
communications
plan
ready
to
go.
It
was
ready
last
year
this
time
pretty
much
this
year.
We
are,
we
do
hope
to
make
tree
sales
available
online.
So,
even
if
we
do
experience
some
issues
with
people
accessing
public
buildings,
hopefully
we
can
still
have
some
online
tree
sales
and
make
that
program
happen.
I
B
I
Sorry,
no,
I
can
clarify
the
tree.
Sales
will
probably
begin
in
february.
We
hope
to
maybe
very
early
march
and
the
option
we'd
like
to
have
the
option
that
people
can
visit
city
hall
right
like
the
invista
center
and
purchase
a
tree
and
or
online
we're
pushing
forward
with
the
online
just
in
case.
There
are
issues
with
you
know:
public
massive
access
to
buildings,
but
it
won't
be
in
either
or
it'll,
be
a
both
available,
ideally
and
yeah.
We
first
come
for
serve
our
communications
plan.
I
Is
we
hope
to
really
hit
it
hard
and
get
the
message
out
to
the
public
in
the
new
year
and
as
the
tree
sales,
hopefully
they're,
brisk,
and
that
it's
popular
and
as
the
the
quantities
so
we're
reaching
the
targets?
We
will
have
a
communications
plan
that
kind
of
speaks
to
that.
So
people
know
if
you
know
you're
running
out
of
time
that
if
they
want
to
buy
a
tree
to
coordinate
that
with
with
public
works
through
one
of
the
facilities
or
to
them
online.
B
Thank
you
for
for
clarifying
that,
and
I
assume
so
these
trees,
specifically
that
we're
talking
about
right
now
are
from
the
samsung
community
benefit
fund
and
the
eligibility
criteria
are
anyone
within
the
city
of
kingston
that
they
are
urban
or
rural?
So
it's
not
specifically
designated
for
the
residents
within
the
that
were
affected
by
the
samsung
project
per
se.
Is
that
correct.
I
I
can
clarify
that
as
well.
The
samsung
community
benefit
fund
was
a
tree
giveaway.
There
was
no
pre-sales
in
that
program
and
it
was
just
for
rural
residents.
This
program
for
the
tree
sales
is
a
city
funded
program.
So
it's
it's
part
of
the
public
works
capital
budget.
Where
we
work
works
will
basically
purchase
the
trees
at
our
cost,
from
the
nurseries
that
we
buy
our
trees
for
our
current
tree
planting
programs,
but
we'll
make
them
available
at
a
fraction
of
the
price
for
the
public.
B
B
D
H
D
A
I
I
B
B
K
Hi,
thank
you
for
giving
me
this
opportunity
and
thanks
to
mr
linda
nice,
to
see
him
again.
Members
of
the
committee
will
remember
that
I
made
a
presentation
on
this
issue
a
year
ago
with
respect
to
the
lamentable
planting
in
graham
park.
There's
four
points
I
want
to
make
tonight.
First,
I
think
it's
high
time
that
there
was
a
discussion
of
graham
park.
Mr
lennon
mentioned
it
in
a
list
of
parks
that
have
larger
scale
tree
plantings
identified
as
part
of
their
works.
K
K
How
the
fort
reforestation
that
was
undertaken
last
year
fits
in
any
long
range
plan.
Fourth,
whether
any
new
plantings
are
in
fact
envisioned
for
the
park
and
if
they
are
my
my
fifth
point
when
staff
envisage
a
public
consultation
before
doing
anything
more
with
this
valuable
asset.
I'll
come
back
to
that
point.
K
K
It
would
be
great
if
some
of
the
trees
that
the
city
has
available
for
planting
were
put
there
to
to
remedy
the
disastrous
remediation
that
that
solar
farm
company
undertook
and
finally,
more
generally,
what's
missing
from
this
report,
and
I
think
what
the
committee
might
wish
to
recommend
is
that
there
always
be
adequate
consultations
with
nearby
residents
before
any
further
planting
of
trees
in
on
public
land.
In
the
rural
area,
especially
but
not
only
planting
undertaken
by
the
crca,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
B
I
Yes,
thank
you
through
the
chair
nice
to
hear
your
voice
again,
mr
wolfe.
The
the
comments
in
regards
to
long-range
plans
for
the
waterfront
master
plan
that
involves
these
parks.
I
wouldn't
want
to
speak
to
that.
That's
not
my
department
and
I,
although
I'm
familiar
with
some
of
the
long-range
plans
at
various
locations,
I
think
that
would
be
information
that
would
have
to
be
shared
by
parks.
Development
team
be
happy
to
take
this
information
away
and
speak
to
that
team
to
see.
I
If
there's
some
information
they
can
provide
either
directly
to
you,
mr
wolf
or
or
otherwise
mention
of
adequate
consultation.
I
believe
last
year,
when
this
discussion
took
place.
Initially
it
was
acknowledging
a
little
acknowledging
again
today
that
proper
notification,
at
least
to
the
neighbors
and
the
people
that
live
in
that
neighborhood
or
use
the
park
whatever
level
of
public
consultation,
that
is,
did
not
take
place
and
should
have
so
that's
that's
something
we're
going
to
we're
very
promising
of
moving
forward.
I
B
Thank
you
that
is
really
appreciated.
Seeing
that
there's
many
departments
and
and
players
that's
taken
this,
so
thank
you
for
continuing
and
with
this
proposed
course
of
action.
Are
there
in
terms
of
deliberations
for
members
of
the
committee?
Is
there
any
points
commas
that
you'd
like
to
add
cancer
usher
off.
A
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
wolf.
For
being
part
of
that,
and
I'm
trying
to
listen
to.
You
know
bill,
and
I
appreciate
bill's
replies,
and
I
was
wondering,
madam
chair
and
with
the
help
of
our
clerk
and
with
agreement
of
the
committee,
if
there
could
be
the
possibility
for
when
we
establish
our
next
priorities
over
the
next
year,
that
we
can
somehow
well
just
make
make
a
bit
of
a
list
of
these
concerns.
A
It
doesn't
have
to
be
long
and
overwhelming,
but
I
think
that
parks
is
something
that's
really
important
to
every
district
in
ryan's
area,
and
I
hear
about
them
all
the
time
and
and
we're,
certainly
in
a
time
where
parks
are
valuable,
so
maybe
not
valued
bible
but
they're
valued
by
all
age
groups.
So
I
guess
I'm
wondering
if
that
can
be
a
parking
lot
issue
or
that
we
we
raise
it
regularly
actually
for
some,
so
we
can
follow
up
for
long
and
short
term.
So
maybe
two
categories.
A
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
I
I
know
I
haven't
had
my
camera
on
yet
tonight,
so
I
just
I
more
wanted
to
mostly
raise
my
hand,
let
the
committee
members
know
that
I
am
here
listening
taking
notes
and,
and
I
did
have
parks
written
down
there
and
happy
to
to
chat
with
you
further
counselor
osterhoff
offline
about
about
to
you
know
to
get
some
more
specifics
about
exactly
what
your
expectations
are
and
to
listen
to
your
the
rest
of
your
comments.
A
No,
that's
fine.
Obviously
you
guys
need
to
guide
us
in
what
what
is
within
the
mandate
of
rural
advisory
and
and
it's
not
hard
to
get
it
off
track,
but
I
think
that
is
an
important
one.
So
we
can.
We
can
be
involved
with
that
whatever
to
what
level
we
can.
Thank
you
for
that.
But
I'd
like
it
to
be
a
committee,
not
just
me,
be
it
something
from
the
rural
advisory
janet.
If
you
can
hear
me,
is
that
an
acceptable
request,
janet.
A
Thank
you
in
that
context
to
robert
wolfe
raised
another.
It's
actually
a
bit
of
a
challenge
for
me
as
a
real
counselor
and
I've
done
a
lot
of
background
work
related
to
the
boat
launch
can
can,
and
so
it
continues.
I
mean,
there's
been
considerable
disappointment,
it's
a
very
used
boat
launch
and
now
there
is
no
boat
launch
and
so-
and
we
don't
even
know
if
we
actually
want
it.
Let's
see
that's
this
well,
the
name,
sorry
cecil
and
wilma
graham
park.
A
So
I
think
that
there
should
be
some
if
janet's
agrees
that
it
can
be
part
of
our
discussion.
There
is
some
considerable
input
that
I
information
that
I
have
gathered
through
the
community
and
consultation
with
parks,
canada
and
some
with
our
mpps,
so
some
input.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
that
can
be
an
issue
that
is
raised
as
well
in
2021.
E
E
I
do
know
that
a
boat
launch
is
something
that
that
the
committee
heard
about
earlier
last
year
and
that
the
boat
launched
that
had
been
used
for
for
many
many
years
by
rural
residents
was
actually
on
private
property,
and
I
don't
know
the
reason
behind
why
the
property
owner
had
a
had
a
change
of
heart,
but
that
the
the
boat
launch
was
no
longer
available.
So
that's
that's
something
that's
sort
of
outside
of
the
the
power
of
the
the
city,
because
it
is,
it
is
private
property.
E
So
it's
not
something
that
it's
not
something
that
we're
not
thinking
of,
and
I
know
that
the
that
the
parks
folks
do
have
that
on
their
work
plan
as
well.
I
don't
know
whether
they
have
that
in
for
2021.
I
think
it
may
have
been
a
a
longer
term,
so
I
can't
commit
to
bringing
it
back
in
2021,
but
I
will
we'll
commit
to
just
discussing
that
with
the
with
the
parks
team.
A
Thank
you
yeah.
That's
that's
really
why
I
wanted
to
keep
it
in
discussion
and
we
and
that
we
can
be
somewhat
involved.
It's
well.
Maybe
it's,
whether
I
as
a
rural
counselor
or
on
this
committee,
whatever
seems
most
appropriate.
Thank
you
and
I
guess
the
comm.
I
would
ask
the
committee
if
you
pulled
anything
else
out
of
here.
What
else
should
we
or
I
don't
want
to
take
the
from
the
from
the
chair?
A
B
B
L
Yeah,
mr
linen,
I
was
just
crunching
some
numbers.
While
we
were
talking
it's
the
perk
of
these
remote
meetings
and
using
the
the
basic
guideline
of
20
foot
diameter
of
the
trees.
I
reckon
that
to
be
about
43
acres
of
trees
in
total,
not
to
say
that
number
is
binding,
but
when
the
when
the
numbers
are
being
set
for
how
many
trees
we
want
to
plant.
Is
that
the
sort
of
guideline
that
we
have
in
mind?
Or
is
there
some
other
figure
to
kind
of
translate
the
number
of
trees
to
the
area?
I
I
So
it's
looked
at
as
managing
that
space
in
the
long
term.
So
we
really
don't
have
a
mature
tree
canopy
target
for
those
we
do
rely
on
the
expertise
of
crca.
They
manage
that
program
for
the
all
plannings
and
they
work
with
the
potential
guidelines
that
they're
provided
as
far
as
the
plantings
performed
by
public
works.
I
B
J
M
D
B
M
Just
highlight
for
the
committee,
just
as
we
get
going
that
the
ontario
fire
code
really
doesn't
permit
any
open
air
fires
within
the
city
of
kingston,
unless
I
approve
them.
So
this
becomes
a
bit
of
a
conundrum
when
we're
approving
fires
in
arrears
after
the
firefighters
get
there,
and
then
they
become
a
non-approved
fire.
So
that's
problematic
in
in
a
couple
of
senses,
both
it
conflicts
with
the
legislation
and
it
also
puts
responders
in
jeopardy
and
in
conflict
with
with
our
residents,
who
we
care
so
deeply
about.
M
M
So
specifically,
we
received
a
lot
of
feedback
from
iraq
and
a
lot
of
questions
last
september
28th
around
agricultural
fires,
and
we
took
that
to
heart
and
we
increased
the
size
of
agricultural
fires
to
by
five
meters
in
each
dimension
by
length,
width
and
height.
So
now
you
can
actually
have
a
burn
pile.
That's
two
stories
high
by
20
feet,
long
by
20
feet
wide
and
when
we
increase
that
size,
that's
an
increase
from
one
meter
by
one
meter
by
one
meter,
so
three
feet
by
three
feet
by
three
feet.
M
Essentially,
so
when
we
did
that
increase,
we
really
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
collaborating
with
our
agricultural
partner
to
make
sure
that
the
fire
was
going
to
be
safe.
We
were
aware
of
it,
so
we
do
want
to
do
an
inspection
of
those
fires
so
that
we
can
approve
that
fire
and
allow
the
farmer
to
get
on
with
his
agricultural
business
and
create
greater
flexibility
in
terms
of
setting
agricultural
fires.
M
Obviously,
if
there's
other
types
of
fires
that
are
happening
in
the
farm
setting
like
a
recreational
fire,
it
would
fall
under
the
other
permitting
online
permit
process.
So
that
was
a
that
was
a
key
consideration
and
we
were.
We
were
pleased
to
and
very
positive
in
the
feedback
we
got
from
the
rural
advisory
committee
in
september.
M
Obviously
there
was
a
concern
around
charcoal,
barbecues,
green
eggs,
cooking
fires
and,
and
that
seemed
to
be
absent
from
the
bylaw,
and
that
was
absent
because
it's
absent
from
the
fire
code.
If
you
want
to
have
a
cooking
fire
right
now
or
a
barbecue,
you
can
do
that
they're
exempt
from
any
of
the
legislation,
but
we
did
based
on
feedback
received,
add
that
into
the
bylaws.
So
there
wasn't
any
confusion
about
people
wishing
to
have
the
set
their
big
green
egg
on
fire
and
roast
up
a
couple
of
stakes.
M
We
were
fine
with
that,
so
that's
been
that's
been
changed
in
there.
We
also
don't
see
a
lot
changing
from
the
current
application
of
the
informal
policy
to
the
new
policy.
That
would
be
a
council-approved
by-law
for
establishing
and
regulating
the
setting
of
open-air
fires.
Of
course,
when
we
go
to
somebody's
home
right
now
and
and
they
have
a
fire
and
they
weren't
aware
that
it
was
outside
of
the
bylaw,
we
simply
asked
them
to
put
that
fire
out
and
when
they
put
that
fire
out,
that's
it
we
generally
leave
and
and
go
on.
M
Unfortunately,
the
ontario
fire
code
has
an
individual
penalty
of
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
an
individual
or
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
a
corporation,
and
those
are
those
are
upset
limits
for
the
fines.
However,
when
we
leave
for
jabila
in
the
community,
we
can
establish
a
more
reasonable,
a
fee
schedule
work
with
our
municipal
prosecutor
and
issue
part
one
offense
tickets,
and
we
don't
intend
to
be
doing
that.
Obviously,
because
we
don't
do
that
now,
except
if
there
was
you
know,
an
incident
where
it
was
a
complete
disregard
for
public
safety
and
life.
M
M
So
that
was
the
the
top
situation,
but
there
was
also
other
situations
like
concerns
from
the
community
about
ceremonial
fires
or
fires
of
religious
purposes.
We
will
be
working
directly
with
those
groups
and
that's
outside
of
the
bylaw,
so
we'll
do
that
in
a
in
a
different
way.
So
ceremonial
fires
or
religious
fires
won't
be
covered
in
the
bylaw,
we'll
deal
with
the
agencies
directly
and,
of
course,
with
the
with
the
view
to
absolutely
allow
that
fire.
M
We
provided
greater
clarity
on
on
which
appliances
would
be
exempt,
and
you
know
if,
if
there's
somebody
with
a
with
a
steel,
tire
rim
and
they're
burning
in
the
and
that's
outside
the
bylaw,
we
know
that
the
first
year
is
going
to
be
an
educational
process,
and
quite
often
we
will
never
be
there
unless
there's
a
complaint
and
if
there's
a
complaint
we'll
take
that
opportunity
to
educate
the
resident
and
certainly
be
more
than
more
than
conciliatory
in
our
manner
of
approach.
When
we're
asking
for
change.
M
In
all
situations,
as
fire
chief,
I
want
to
create
a
community
where
they
can
feel
free
to
call
my
staff,
and
we
will
visit
the
any
situation
that
may
fall
outside
of
the
bylaw,
with
the
intense
intention
and
intentional
language
to
assist
that
homeowner
or
property
owner
where
we
can,
and
so
first
and
foremost
we're
public
safety
consultants
and
and
like
any
any
agency
that
has
an
enforcement
mechanism.
Those
are
generally
enforcements
of
last
resorts.
So
that's
where
we're
going
to
be
with
this
new
bylaw,
no.
B
B
You
definitely
rolled
up
your
sleeves
and
put
a
lot
of
work
forward
on
this
on
this
bylaw,
because
it's
a
very
rigorous
bylaw,
at
least
from
my
perspective,
I
thought
that
there
was
certainly
a
lot
of
good
work
put
forward
on
this,
so
I
do
want
to
recognize
that
so
we'll
do
the
same
method
as
earlier
opening
up
questions
for
members
of
the
committee
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
members
of
the
public
allison.
Please.
J
J
You
understood
the
needs
and
how
unique
they
really
are
when
it
comes
to
any
kind
of
fires
of
agricultural
purposes.
So
really
appreciate
that,
and-
and
so
so
very
much
just
a
question
with
respect
to
that
when
it
comes
to
inspections,
that
requires
an
online.
If
you
could
just
re
just
go
over
that
process,
so
it
requires
an
online
online
permit
being
made.
J
M
Where
there's
a
loader
involved
or
there's
accelerant
being
used.
We've
seen
some
terrible
tragedies
where
accelerant
was
used,
that
vaporized
on
somebody's
clothing
and
next
thing
you
know,
there's
a
tragic
injury.
So
we
we
know
a
bit
about
accelerant
and
vapor
density
and
specific
gravities
of
the
flammable
liquids.
So
we
would
certainly
consult
and
guide
the
guide.
Our
community
members
accordingly.
F
Sorry,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
through
you.
I
just
wanted
to
echo
that
as
well
thanks
chief
armstrong
and
to
your
team
and
also
to
chief
fire
prevention
officer
positive,
because
somebody
basically
posted
some
concerns
in
our
local
greenwood
park
group
over
here,
which
has
about
3
000
people
in
it,
and
it's
always
tough
for
people
to
interpret
a
bylaw.
F
So
it
generated
a
lot
of
concerns
and
a
lot
of
the
things
that
the
chief
mentioned,
because
they
weren't
mentioned
in
the
bylaw
people,
got
very
scared
that
you
know.
I
can't
I
can't
use
this
certain
device,
anymore,
etc,
and
so
in
talking
with
the
chief
fire
prevention
officer,
he
was
great.
I
spent
probably
a
good
three
or
four
hours
on
the
phone
with
them
over
multiple
days.
F
Getting
this
sorted
out
and
adding
that
clarity
of
language,
I
think
for
people
that
don't
spend
a
lot
of
time,
reading
or
interpreting
bylaws
really
kind
of
set
people
at
ease,
and
it
was
a
very
good
process
and
they
really
appreciated
kind
of
their
feedback.
It
was
nice
to
sort
of
see
their
feedback
given
and
then
see
it
reflected
in.
In
the
final
results,
so
it
created
a
lot
of
engagement
in
buying
and
that's
really
appreciated
from
the
community
so
kudos
to
your
team.
I
think
it
was
a
very
successful
process.
Thank
you.
M
Thank
you,
chair
conway.
I
just
wanted
to
say
through
you
to
the
counselor.
I
have
chief
fire
prevention
officer,
pozzodowski
and
deputy
chief
donaldson
here
with
me
tonight
and
absolutely
the
credit
goes
to
those
two
individuals
and
their
team.
They
did
their
research,
they
put
together
the
12-week
process
through
the
engagement
process
at
the
city
and
my
understanding
in
collating
the
data
there's
over
670
people
actively.
Looking
at
the
survey
371
participated
and
the
90
percent
of
that
participation
was
positive
on
the
bylaw.
B
Thank
you,
that's
excellent,
I
think,
and
also
like
this
is,
to
some
degree
it's
an
awareness
and
education
campaign
as
well
right,
there's
a
lot
of
components
here,
and
it
makes
me
think,
as
we
consider
our
work
plan
for
next
year.
I
think
that's
going
to
happen
in
q1
in
january
or
during
our
next
meeting
and
and
janet
can
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
more.
B
But
I'm
wondering
if
we
can
keep
that
in
the
back
of
our
mind
as
an
opportunity
for
in
for
our
information
public
session
that
we
conduct
on
an
annual
basis.
If
this
is
a
topic
that
we'd
want
to
tackle
on
knowing
that
there's
been
an
increase
in
the
volume
and
the
number
of
open-air
fire
which
we
were
kindly
informed
of
in
september,
when
you
did
the
presentation
so
knowing
that
this
is
a
more
and
more
recurring,
more
and
more
individuals
participating
in
these
activities.
B
If
this
is
an
excellent
opportunity
to
perhaps
consider
it
for
our
information
public
information
session
that
we
conduct
annually
so
just
offer
members
of
the
committee
to
keep
that
in
the
back
of
our
minds
as
we
discuss
our
work
plan
in
january,
if
this
is
certainly
something
of
interest,
so
thank
you
for
bringing
up
the
awareness,
at
least
in
our
minds
and
knowing
how
important
this
is,
and
it
truly
is
a
public
safety
question
and
there's
a
lot
to
it.
There's
a
lot
of
depth
to
it.
Counselor
usher
off.
A
Yeah,
yes,
thank
you
ma'am
chair,
and
I
too
want
to
want
to
thank
our
fire
chief
and
those
with
him.
Sorry,
kevin
and
ted.
Thank
you
very
much
for
this
because,
as
councillor
bowman
says,
they're
excellent
engagement
and
in
any
kind
of
regulation
when
you
have
education,
as
you
said,
a
conciliatory
approach
when
you
have
an
intentional
engagement
with
a
community
such
as
you
have
exhibited
there,
so
many
great
things
happen
and
I've
seen
it
it's
the
city.
A
Does
it
well
as
well
and
in
this
situation,
where
we
show
the
two
zones,
more
urban
focus
and
then
the
rural
focus?
You
know
councillor
balm,
and
I
just
salute
that
in
a
way,
because
we
really
want
that.
We
really
see
that
in
other
other
areas
as
well
and
you've
shown
that
it
can
be
done
and
just
want
to
say.
I
know
we
said
it,
but
any
other
clarity,
you've
brought
to
the
bylaws
and
your
willingness
to
engage
and
listen
authentically.
B
D
B
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
actually
read
the
bylaw
before
I
participated
in
the
survey,
and
I
was
grateful
for
the
opportunity
I
haven't
didn't
read
the
buy
log
in
before
tonight,
and
the
chief
said
something
I
found
slightly
confusing
with
reference
to
cooking
fires
is
a
cooking
fire,
something
that
has
to
be
in
an
approved
cooking
device,
or
is
that
something
like
a
small
campfire
that
you
might
have
on
a
camping
trip?
K
Is
it
different
from
a
obviously
a
brush
fire?
You
would
need
to
have
a
permit
and
probably
have
somebody
to
come
and
look
before
you
burn
something
that
would
be
a
meter
or
two
in
every
dimension,
but
set,
and
I
I
ask
obviously
for
a
self-serving
reason.
I
have
a
waterfront
property
and
love
to
be
able
to
take
the
grandchildren
down
there
and
light
a
small
fire
it
amuses
them.
Amuses
me,
the
question
is:
what
kind
of
fire
would
that
be?
Thank
you.
M
Purposes
we
would
ask
you
to
go
online
and
take
out
a
permit,
so
we're
aware
of
it,
and
we
can.
You
can
answer
the
safety
questions
that
would
be
attached
to
the
permit.
Obviously,
if
you're
cooking
in
a
fire,
that's
exempt
from
the
fire
code,
and
it
wasn't
that
the
language
wasn't
as
intentional
in
the
bylaw.
But
we
sought
to
do
that
in
this
next
recent
iteration
by
allowing
charcoal
wood
and
other
types
of
cooking
appliances.
M
But
if
you're
having
a
campfire
that
you
want
to
cook
with
and
that's
obviously
that's
something
that's
allowed
under
the
fire
code.
And
but
when
you
do
cook
with
a
cooking
fire,
it
has
to
be
commensurate
with
the
size
and
quantity
of
food.
You're
cooking,
so
we've
gone
to
fires
that
are
half
the
size
of
this
room,
and
somebody
comes
out
with
a
package
of
wieners
and
says
we're
cooking,
and
so
that's
not
an
approved
fire
and
that
those
are
the
types
of
situations
where
we
would
ask
them
to
be
extinguished.
M
B
E
E
B
B
No
excellent.
Thank
you
very
much
chief
armstrong
and
we'll
see
what
comes
out
of
the
q1
2021
presentation
to
the
arts
and
recreation
and
policies
committee.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay,
now,
on
to
our
next
item
on
the
agenda,
there
are
no
motions.
There
are
no
notices
of
motion.
There
are
no
other
business.
There
were
no
correspondence.
B
B
Excellent,
thank
you
thank
you
for
confirming
that,
so
I
believe
we
are
already
at
adjournment.
So
do
I
have
anyone
to
put
the
motion
forward
to
adjourn
this
meeting.
Counselor
boam.
Thank
you
seconded
by
john
wornham,
all
those
in
favor
excellent
everyone.
So
thank
you
very
much
everyone
for
attending
and
happy
holidays.
I
hope
you
have
a
really
safe
and
happy
holiday
season.