Koha-US 2022 General Meeting, 9 Mar 2022

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00:08:07 Jennifer Marlatt: Here's the agenda https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c1zoflWPLAy_0h40tfhZooV5gPOSNFAoAMa3mWctwIc/edit?usp=sharing
00:11:15 Elise Aiello--ByWater: https://runsignup.com/Race/CA/anywhere/KohaCommunityChallengeSpringintoFitness
00:11:48 Elise Aiello--ByWater: There’s a Facebook group too: https://www.facebook.com/groups/kohacommunitychallengespringintofitness
00:30:59 Christopher Brannon: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21978
00:31:57 Christopher Brannon: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26355
00:37:59 George Williams - NEKLS: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_9f-eku372VeGPxcwuub0cHhxH1BDl3igAs4nKh7vPI/edit?usp=sharing
00:39:01 George Williams - NEKLS: Fizzled. Fizzled is a good description
00:42:28 George Williams - NEKLS: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_9f-eku372VeGPxcwuub0cHhxH1BDl3igAs4nKh7vPI/edit?usp=sharing
00:48:13 Jason (SEKLS): https://github.com/jsonks/Koha-Modifications/blob/main/Staff/AddPubNoteToHQ/js/AddPubNoteToHQ.js
00:49:43 Christopher Brannon: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30248
01:00:29 Christopher Brannon: modify_holds_priority
01:01:43 Christopher Brannon: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30207

A

Welcome everyone to the march quahog u.s general meeting uh jennifer: can you post the agenda if you've got it? If not, I can do that already.

B

A

Already there wonderful, I already did it wonderful, okay, so any announcements.

C

So I want to let everybody know that I've made some um I'm going to say mild changes to the website, so that you'll be more impressed.

C

So let me um share my screen real fast, just so that no one gets lost um because it did change the navigation a little bit. um So as part of the education committee, we've talked about kind of refreshing, the website a little bit so the top now menu has changed and things may live in a little bit of a different place.

C

We've changed our buzzwords a little bit from collaborate to share and unite to join, and then added consistency up here. So if you can't find something, the goal is to make things easier to find, so you should be able to find things better from those top menus and then I'm also working. These changes haven't been pushed out yet, but they should be soon on a little bit of a revamp on and redesign on the edge, uh the learn page um and we're kind of breaking things off a little bit.

C

So if you can't find something on, the website feel free to contact me uh because I probably headed away into a bluey and that's that's my bad.

A

Looks really good wonderful.

A

Any other announcements.

A

Okay, so we have jessie and elise here from bywater uh and we're going to talk about the quahog community challenge, 2022.

D

Awesome so thank you for having us, so we are bringing back the quahog community challenge. If you aren't aware we did this last year, it was something that we did for the whole koha community, or even people that aren't involved. It's just a way to get family members involved and just to raise awareness of what the open source community does so I'll go ahead and share a link in the chat.

D

Last year we raised just over eighteen hundred dollars, so we're hoping to surpass that goal this year and we're doing it once again through run sign up. So it's the same process as last year. It's super easy and any type of fitness counts right. So it's not just running. We do have a lot of marathon runners jay-z, but I'm not. We know not everybody's a marathon runner, so hula hooping, whatever you know, aerobics anything you want to do so, I'm going to go ahead and share the link.

D

um Jesse did you have anything else that you wanted to add? We already have 16.

E

People that are signed up and an email just went out to all past participants, so we're excited and really just we're, really just excited to kind of blow last year's numbers out of the water. So thanks for being a part of it again this year and letting us host it and and join together. In fact, john, I think um money already transferred. I saw an email yesterday that some came already over for the people that registered early and usually.

F

I get an email from them. I haven't gotten it yet, but I'll log into the account check.

E

A

So yeah this is a really great opportunity, a great fundraiser. This was started by bywater, we're so thankful for them to. You know, come up with this and and put the money back into coha, so it benefits everybody, so yeah uh sign up. um I think. Last year I can't remember there were like maybe 50 participants or something it.

F

Was a little upwards of 60? Okay, if I recall correctly, it might have been 69. 69 might have been the number of participants plus donors, but it was. It was right around there, yeah.

A

Yeah- and you can um you know you can participate by yourself, you can join a team, you can challenge, we could pit libraries against each other and you know, challenge and see who comes out on top whatever so yeah a really fun opportunity and any other questions about that.

A

It starts. You can sign up now, but it starts april 1st and runs the whole month of april.

B

Well, last week I could have put cleaning out my basement on it. Definitely an aerobic activity and I'm really sore from.

A

It okay. So our next topic is the 2022 conference site location vote. So we sent out uh the voting survey to uh the current quahog us members and we had, um I think, 34 invitations were sent out. 31 were opened, we had 28 votes, 22 voted for a hybrid uh on-site, in-person, slash online conference in lawrence kansas and six voted for online. Only so we're going to lawrence kansas this year.

G

Then, except for six people, six people are gonna attend online.

A

So then, um because we were already planning our koha u.s conference. During that period of time we were contacted from other koha members that were chatting on the irc about wouldn't koha u.s, maybe like to uh host the koha khan this year.

A

So we put in a bid on the the koha khan wiki website or whatever it is. We put our proposal there and so um we're planning on.

A

I don't know if it's going to be we're incorporating kohakan into our koha us conference. So are we still calling it koha u.s? Is it kohakan hosted by koha us? I don't really know exactly but we'll work that out in the conference committee, but it's become the uh larger uh international conference, which is exciting.

A

A

So yeah we've got a lot to work out in the conference committee because this is an international conference. We would expect that perhaps we'll get a lot more people attending than a regular quahog us conference.

A

So I think maybe the conference committee could use some additional volunteers, so this would be a really great um opportunity for you to get involved in a quahog us activity and contribute there's going to be lots to do. I think I've never done a conference before, but I assume it takes a lot of work.

G

Well, one of the things I was going to say is I'm going to bring this up with the conference committee. I when I went to the irc meeting last week.

G

The venue that we had proposed for this conference is probably not going to be big enough for an international koha khan.

G

So um I'm proposing to the conference committee today that we send out just a survey to the general uh to the quahog us members, the the quahog us generalist and the community list to get an eye, a rough idea of how many people will come um and it's a rough idea. It's an early idea. But if we get like you know, 300 people that say they want to come, then the venue that we've already selected is is too small, where we were kind of at the limit.

G

Just thinking about mckinney, that's kind of about the limit, the number of people that showed up at mckinney at the venue that we had selected. So it's very likely we're going to need to select another venue.

G

Necklace is has already.

G

Absorbed the cost of what the venue would be and we can um and we can we, my my boss- is not against. You know, moving that money from lawrence public library to a different venue, but.

E

A different venue is.

G

Going to cost more money, so that's something that we need to work on will be. If we, if we have to change venues, it's going to cost a little bit more, probably to put the conference on here in lawrence, but the conference committee will talk about that and and I've already started, I've got a first draft of a survey to go out um to the koha community uh and we're gonna work on that at the conference committee today.

G

So don't be surprised if you see another um survey from us saying you know, are you going to come? Which days are going to come and that kind of thing? So we can just get a rough. A really rough idea of how many people will will show up for the conference.

A

And we've also talked about how in seeking a different venue, uh you know it could be where we need the bigger venue for the first two days of the presentations, and perhaps we would still be able to do lawrence public library for the hack, fest workshop part. So we've got you know, lots of different uh ways. We could end up configuring this and I didn't mention the dates.

A

The dates are september, 20th through 23rd, and then I think we're going to be talking about, since this is now a quahog con conference about whether we would have like a cultural activities day, perhaps on the day before the conference starts or at the end of the conference. So I think we've got that on our survey.

A

um Also to see you know, would you be interested in staying an additional day on the beginning or the end for like a cultural activities, because that's usually part of a quahog con? I understand.

A

Anything else about the upcoming conference. Anybody want to volunteer to help us out on the conference committee can volunteer one of your co-workers.

G

The conference committee meets right after this uh meeting, so if you wanna be part of that, all you gotta do is stick around.

A

Okay, um next is any uh bug discussion that anybody wants to bring up.

G

I've got a topic.

A

G

Surprise, surprise, uh let me pull up my notes here, real quick, because I have some good detailed notes on this one. It's not necessarily a bug, yet I'm researching something as to which direction to go and trying to get some feelers on this.

G

um Basically, let me just uh frame this out as to what's going on uh when we went fine free a while back, we lost the capability of using a system preference. It was called no issues charge.

G

Basically, we have that that preference in the system, where you can set a value in if, if patrons, have racked up x amount of fines.

G

It you know, puts a block on on checking out that. I believe, if I could remember correctly, that far back um allowed you to override you could still check out, but it was you know, an attention getter on on checkouts, and that was a good control, but when we went flying free that became rather useless now it just kind of it keeps going until they hit the long overdue fine and then that that blocks them from from checking out um we've tried various things.

G

We've tried the overdues block, circ preference, um which which did kind of what we wanted to do, but if patrons put things in the book drop and wanted to check out more items, we either had to find every item in the book drop and check it in where we had to override every single item being checked out. So that made things uh very difficult.

G

So then we tried, we dropped that control and we tried using the override or excuse me the overdue restrictions where we would trigger an overdue restriction with the first notice that goes out seven days after things are due, and that worked well because you only had to override it once, but the drawback with that is it blocks. Absolutely everything patrons can't place holds they can't renew online.

G

um It just really stops them dead in their tracks, and that was a little too restrictive.

G

It worked. Well, I mean there was up the auto, remove overrides restrictions, control that would automatically remove that restriction if they checked those items back in but right now our consortium has opted to turn that off and so we're not catching those unless we're paying attention to it, and so it doesn't stop patrons at the the self check or or anything and and so we wanted to find a better balance.

G

The question that I have and wanted to kind of get a feel for this from the the group is um what people think might be a better approach. There's there's two approaches that we could take to looking at an enhancement for this to help those of us without fines.

G

um One way that we could change this is to enhance the no issues charge, so it blocks with selected statuses. In addition to a fine. So you could, you could define a a fine amount that would stop the issues or uh watch for other statuses. So that's that's one approach you know so like if they have overdues it would do the exact same thing as if they'd hit that three dollar mark or whatever mark that you you've set in that that rule.

G

um The other approach is to enhance the overdue restrictions feature. So we can set how restrictive it is. Does it block self-check? Does it block holds? Does it block renewals? Does it block zip authentication, et cetera, et cetera, so those.

E

Are two different approaches.

G

That that we could take it a an enhancement, our that our library might look at funding, but I wanted to get the feel from a group. What do you think might be the best approach? Should we enhance the the the no issues charge, uh preference or should we seek to set? You know what kind of restrictions can be placed with the overdue restrictions.

G

I think the most flexible way would be. You know what I'm I opened up. The um overdue notice status triggers and you know the box. That's there to check is just as restrict so maybe if there were more options than just restrict.

G

I think that might be the most flexible way to go forward because there's a a ton of flexibility with those overdue actions with the notice status triggers.

G

um If there was a way you could say you know instead of restrict, if there could also be a warn or if they could, there could be a block circ.

G

um You know if there could be more flexibility in those restrictions, because the thing I like about that is, you know you have um the overdue notice status triggers applied.

G

You can be applied per library and per patron category, so there there's a lot more flexibility there than just a global system preference, and I think that that would be an easier way to deal with it with my libraries, because I I think some of them would want a full-on restriction and some of them might want something more gentle um like what you're talking about so that I think offers the most opportunity for flexibility.

H

Yeah, I think that would be really great. I know we actually so that we didn't have the same problem as much. We changed it, so our first notice for the whole consortium goes out at three days.

H

No, at one day, our first notice goes out at one day. That sounds wrong. I thought we had changed that I thought it was three days, but now it's looking like it's one day um and it says at five days overdue: you're gonna, get restricted and then at five days is when the restriction happens, and so that means that you know, if someone is, uh you know, has put it in the book drop over the weekend or that day as long as they haven't been restricted.

H

Yet um you know they get that warning for email and text messages at least um the print one might not get to them before they get restricted, but we are trying to encourage everyone to do text or email um and a lot of the libraries actually don't even print things anymore.

H

Here they just say: if you don't put in a phone or email, you're, not gonna, get notices until an item's lost um so, and we found that that mostly works pretty well for us, because most people, when they get the overdue notice, they'll bring it back before they get restricted.

H

uh It seems like at least the people who come in with any frequency um or might complain about not being able to place, holds or renew online all seem to be pretty good about just returning it if they get the first notice before the second one hits them great.

G

Anyone else feedback or doing something different with their vines, free situations.

C

Our setup is basically the same, as was that for our fine freeze, they they're generally restricting what the overdue notice is much sooner than the long overdue restriction gets placed.

G

That's a good idea, I'll I'll uh I'll talk about that with our consortium and see what they think of that but uh yeah. I appreciate the feedback.

A

Any other bugs that people want to bring up and talk about.

G

Usually we run out of time to talk about bugs now. We've got plenty of time nobody's.

B

Saying anything.

G

Here's your chance! Well, usually, we go through the committee reports. First, that eats up a lot of time.

A

Well, we can go to committee reports and, while we're going through those, you can think about other bugs that uh you might want to bring up.

B

A

B

Have something that's not a bug but sort of strange, and I don't have anything specific yet so I'll just put it out as a very very general question, let's say: do an advanced search on an item type and I get say 10 000 yet, but then I run an sql report for that item type. I get 8 000..

B

That kind of discrepancy.

B

Common happens all the time or do I have a puzzle on my hands.

G

It could be that you've got some item types where the uh 942, the item type in the 942, doesn't match the item type in the 952. That would be my first guess.

E

My I would guess the same thing: fred.

B

Okay, I'll check it out and next month uh may have a puzzle or may have a solution thanks.

G

And I've got a report somewhere. It's not a hard report to write to uh to uh get a list of. What's in the 942 item type, I think, is, I want to say 942c.

G

You could write a a report for that item type or you can look at your cohort and mark mapping and figure out which uh field and biblio or biblio items you've got it mapped to and then track them down that way. So.

B

942C, uh it's also the author's catalog which has all sorts of weird non-standard things.

E

B

I don't think that is what is doing it and again, not a bug, but another puzzle. I figured out how to get an image on the opaque when it's linked to a specific vib record puzzling about how to get uh an image that is stored on the server. That is not a big record and I was looking at uh nekols the koa home page.

B

um Let's see, I think it's women's history seems to have changed since a couple weeks ago. It there's a new picture. Every week. No I mean the url.

G

B

G

Yeah mike might have, I don't know I don't I don't manage that.

B

G

I have somebody else: that's putting the pictures there, but we asked bywater set it up so that we have a image directory that we upload files to and by water took care of. All of that, I have no idea how to set that up on the back end.

G

That was something that I think liz set up for us, and so that would be a question for liz or or kyle which of course you don't have access to so, but there there is a way to set up uh directories that when you're uploading, you choose a category from a drop down yeah, and I don't know how to set that up, though okay, but that's how we store the files as we upload them, and we put them in the image directory and then they they become linkable. So.

B

I took last week off to uh work on house stuff, so I haven't done this a week and a half so of course I've forgotten everything.

B

Over to it, thanks.

A

Okay, so we've really kind of already talked about conference things and we'll get into the uh details of it in the committee. After this meeting um christopher development committee update.

G

Yeah um uh before I get into that, I just uh you know, threw a couple links in there for a couple bugs. We don't have to talk about them, but um I would appreciate others uh taking a look and uh commenting on that, because uh there are two topics that that are uh that are pretty strong right now, and I've provided some detail on both of those for um for consideration.

G

So if anybody has any comments to to add to those or a different vision or different direction, that they'd like to see those go in uh feel free to to add to those. um As far as development goes, the current development for the um the patron being able to delete their their messages once they've see uh seen them um that patch has been written, uh it has been added to the the bug and qa has reviewed it and they they wrote back some uh comments that we're waiting for the developers to uh to work on.

G

uh So it is mostly there. We are working through some issues with the the developer. I'm not going to go into detail here at this meeting, uh but uh we are uh trying to move forward and get this completed, but the patch has pretty much been uh written and done the development team looked at it. We liked what we saw. It works exactly the way we expected and I think it's going to bring some great functionality uh to messaging with the patrons.

G

um So uh we're we're still on track we're. uh You know the ball's in the developer's court right now to finish up the the qa requests and then we can move forward and also an update uh last year's development for retaining descriptions in uh uh the.

G

I think it's the is it. Was that remind me because I I didn't work on this very much? Is it uh uh descriptions kept in the.

H

It looks like the the bug I think is just for when fines are added um is what it looks like. I saw android put together a video of how it works so.

G

Yeah he demoed that uh several of us uh reviewed it. I signed off on it and I told them to you know, because george was the first one to speak up and I told him to sign off in george's name too, but I hadn't seen that but uh anyways it's it's signed off and moving forward. So we're glad to see that one finally uh come forward and we'll see how it does with the q a I don't think it's passed or gone through qa, yet the last time I looked at it.

G

So that's it for the development team. Oh no one. Other thing we are. We are going to be at our next development team meeting we're going to be talking about uh contracts. Bywater sent us some uh valuable information, we're going to be uh looking over some details with the contracts. I wasn't involved with the whole contract process and we had a few snags that we had to get through with this current development, but uh we're reviewing uh what we need to have in our contracts uh to go a little smoother the next time around.

G

um So that's one big thing that we're going to be working on at the next meeting.

A

Any questions about development committee.

A

Okay, so next we have education committee, and I know that christopher did want to talk about, um because the education committee has revamped how we're doing the mentorship program and we're now calling it cohas skills collaborators. I think- and um you want to talk about that christopher.

G

Yeah, um we are redoing the way that uh we've looked at mentorship mentorship uh was kind of a one-on-one. You know connection uh idea that we had had from the get-go with koha us.

G

We wanted to be able to connect people with other people, but it was an idea that just kind of flailed a bit it didn't really take off or go anywhere or was very productive and so we've uh we re tooled the idea of mentorship and we've changed it into the kohai u.s skill collaborators, and what it's going to end up looking like is we're going to be we're going to be polling, the current members and then any new members uh through the membership uh uh form we're gonna be finding out what skills uh our members are confident in what what they feel like they.

G

They know really well and are willing to answer questions about. So what we'll do is we'll we'll end up in our webpage, where we're going to have a page for our members that will list members that want to be skill, collaborators and list what their strengths are. So if you have a question about circulation, you can go through the list and see who who listed circulation as their strength or if they uh feel like their their strength, is uh admin.

G

If you're looking for somebody like that, you can look through the list and see who's strong with admin skills, and you can contact them directly. So this this takes the um responsibility of people meeting up, you know in general, or you know, somebody being linked up with another person asking questions that the other person doesn't know this. Will this revamps a little bit so that we are connecting people with uh those that know more about specific areas that are more likely to be able to answer questions?

G

So that's what we're doing I'm trying to connect with with john on uh working on the uh the membership form, because we've uh I've been tinkering around with a new method for doing our membership form. That links the lists that we get from those questions and creates the list that we need without us having to do a bunch of footwork behind the scenes. So we're going to be working on that and john.

G

I need to get together with you asap on that, so we can move forward on that, but that's where we are with that and- and I'm excited about this- I think this will will get us some more traction uh where we didn't have it before.

F

I will add to this that uh the changes christopher has made in the functionality that he's he discovered or, at the very least introduced to me. As somebody that doesn't know.

F

A lot about wordpress really looks like it's going to help us get to where we want to go and christopher's done a great job in terms of taking what we've been using for membership, uh probably since 2019 the first, the first year of renewals as it were, and has done a really nice job in terms of taking what we've done in google forms and transporting it over to wordpress, and I think I think everybody that will choose to participate in this will really like it.

A

Okay, so um more education committee things anybody else, george's chair. What do you have to say.

G

Well, there's a uh link to the notes from the last meeting in the chat box.

G

We uh at the first education committee meeting of the year we talked about dividing our time between uh reorganizing the website and coming up with content for the website, so jason and lauren have been working on the website and jason talked about that a little bit about the changes to the website.

G

Christopher talked about the coha skills collaborators.

G

um Then we've just kind of been talking about what other kinds of content.

G

Do we want to add at one point, jessie bywater had talked about seeing if one of her colleagues could do like uh talk about git and github and how how that works, and I'm supposed to reach out to her and and see, if she's, still up to finding somebody to do that. So this seems like a perfect opportunity to remind jesse that that was out there.

E

I can I can ping the guys and ask them: okay.

G

And then fred and lauren are work working on a project uh about you know uh converting uh mark data from spreadsheets into cohort data with mark edit, and so we've got a few uh videos and ideas going on things that we're going to do in the future. And then we.

G

That was kind of the whole meeting was discussing those two areas I am not going to be at the next meeting and christopher is volunteered to step in and share that which will be next wednesday at.

G

I think the same times this meeting right, yeah, 10, 30 central- so uh so I won't be at that meeting, but christopher is going to share that. So uh that's all from the education.

A

Any questions for the education committee.

A

Okay, we can move on to finance john.

F

The finance committee report, thanks to jennifer, is attached. As of the end of last month, we had 34 members in good standing and, as always, if you think you are a member, but you don't know for sure, you can always write me treasurer kohadashus.org, and I can always provide you with that answer.

F

If you take a look at the two months worth of financial reports, we did renew our zoom room back in january, so we're good through january of 2023 with that, and that did also include the administrative fee to techsoup for february uh most of the income you see there was related to the transfer from paypal of memberships for 2022..

F

The eleven hundred dollars you see in expenses is actually the payment for the ala exhibition space that actually did not clear so you'll see that again in the march reports and our paypal balance says, the end of as of the end of february is 118.

F

Like I mentioned, we did put in our formal application and payment for exhibit space along with a location preference. I do await confirmation of our selected location and of next steps, because we had submitted for space in 2020 and again in 2021 the process for renewing our space, even though we've never actually used. It was actually pretty smooth and efficient for those that are going to ala and may be interested in staffing.

F

Our little table in the exhibits hall exhibits run from friday june 24th through monday june 27th, and if you are attending ala, I hope you will be able to find the time to spend one or two hours at the booth. Our demonstration instance will be used at the booth and we will have stickers and membership brochures to hand out.

F

As always, the finance committee is looking for new members if you're interested in serving. Please contact me at treasurer us.org any questions from anybody.

F

If there's nothing, that's it from the finance committee.

A

And we still do not have an active, uh fundraising committee uh if anybody wants to volunteer to uh take that over. That would be great.

A

And so now we're to we've got about 20 minutes or so still uh we can talk about bugs, doesn't even have you don't even have to think about it as a bug. Maybe it's just an issue or a problem. You're encountering and you've got questions.

A

Anybody have anything.

C

I can share um yesterday at this admin uh sig meeting. I had shared a problem where I wanted to show the public notes on the holds queue and I had solved that using a report, but I really wanted to get that working with the api um and I was able to figure that out so I'll just share my little uh code, it's in my github.

C

So if anybody wants to see how that works, I found a little nugget of jquery gold that lets you take the barcode off of the holds queue request, the the item, data and then pull the public note back into the holds queue um it's a little slow, but it works, and I can actually I can share my screen. I'll show you what that looks like.

C

um So this is my my holds cue. The red notes are being pulled in to the hold queue from the barcode using the api I reload it. You can see. I added a little spinner in there because it does take a minute um and it doesn't it's not synchronous. So you can see things pop in as they get retrieved.

C

So in case anybody else needs something like that. um For us, it was the the we have awards information stored in that field, so, like it'll, say it's in the juvenile fiction section, but it's actually sitting on a totally different shelf. And then I have people wandering around the library looking for the book because they didn't realize it was on the award shelf. So um really I could solve that with a new shelf location, but this was more fun.

A

Anybody else have issues bugs.

G

I threw another bug in there. um This is something that was mentioned through slack and I've run into it in random spots. um I don't know if anybody else has seen it if they have. Please contribute to this. uh This bug add your two cents on it, and I've done some sleuthing on it to try and uh uh figure more out, but the actual cause. I don't know exactly.

G

Basically, koha has introduced some new uh drop-down controls. uh Something called select two, instead of floating all libraries. You know this was particularly for ho holts. Instead of loading, all libraries in the pickup location drop downs. It lists uh the one that is selected and if you click on it, it will load another control with all of the the possible options from the list.

G

The problem that that's been cropping up on occasion for us we I will be in I work mostly in chrome and when I go into the admin controls. I haven't seen this so much in the pickup locations, but in the admin controls where some of those controls are using the select two um occasionally. I will see one of those that is shrunk down to nothing but a line. It looks like it's not there at all um and if I open up that same page in firefox, it looks just fine.

G

If I open up that same page in chrome on our test server, it looks just fine, so it's very, very random. I think it's a performance based issue.

G

um I've seen somebody in select uh mentioned that they see it, but they they're they're having a problem on their their test server and not their uh production server um and it's in generally in the same places in the controls in the in the admin, not necessarily pickup locations.

G

um But what I I dug a little bit into the code, and I was I was noticing that the width on that control, where it was having the problem, was set to 2.22222 percent, and if I change that with css to to a fixed width, it looked just fine. um My my assumption is that it is basing the width when it's creating that control. It's basing the width on information, uh that's supposed to be in that control box and in some cases where it loads.

G

So fast, uh it's there's no data in there for it to base the width off of, and so it's shrunk down to absolutely you know small. um There was another bug uh out there uh that I think may have either contributed to this issue or helped it it um they. I can't remember the bug that it was. Let me see, I think I mentioned the bug in this bug.

G

um I I said I was suspect of bug 28611. They had made some adjustments to the select. I don't know if it caused this issue or if it, you know, didn't really touch this issue, but I do suspect a performance issue with this, um where the page loads too fast and it doesn't have anything to work with, and that's why those are getting squashed, and I see that katrin's already asking.

G

If I have an example, I've I've had other people, look at the the exact same page that I deal with and they don't see it on their end they're using the same version of chrome that I am, I honestly think it has something to do with performance either. How fast the page is loading or bandwidth, or something for it to cause that difference.

G

You know from another location, looking at the exact same server on the exact same page, but I can consistently see it on my end, um so I can't say that what I suspect is gospel truth on this, but you know if anybody else has any insight, or they have examples that you know they've run into. If you can contribute to this page, it will help. You know us uh build a case as there is a problem and we might be able to narrow it down better with more examples.

A

Now I have seen that problem and I know that it occurred before this release. I don't know when, but I believe I remember, I had a ticket on it with bywater and I eventually did what you talked about. I just widened it with some css but and it is yeah, I agree it's kind of fleeting. You see it here or there and it's not consistent.

C

Can can you tell us exactly which page you're looking at because we're just where you see it consistently.

H

um I see it really consistently in the circ preferences uh system system preferences, I'd.

G

Have to I I can. I can update the bug. I have to respond to captain's uh request, anyways, so I'll update the bug with that. I because I'll have to turn off that, because I just did a blanket select two um to catch any uh other controls that might be affected, that I wasn't seeing necessarily so I'll turn that off and I'll look around make sure I specify which one we're specifically seeing consistently.

H

I'm also just going through the system preferences on our test server, where it happens on all of them all the time. Anything that has a select and I'm just copying all of those to put on.

A

Well, that's certainly an interesting one. um Who else has something.

B

Well, if no one else does.

B

I am trying to set up a z3950 server on my medical library and, as far as I know, it is set up exactly the same way that my test site, cheerful valley, pl, dot online, set up. It works on cheerful valley, but not medical library.

B

Does anybody know of a program that will compare two files and show you where the differences are uh sort of like a modern hitman? Collater word can compare files, but I didn't it didn't really work for me.

B

All I want to know is, you know, highlight this character in this position, and this file is different from this character. In this position in this file.

G

I think emacs will do that and uh oh yeah, it might be a plug-in, it might be an add-on you have to put in there, but I know that it'll do that. So.

C

I think I've used notepad plus plus for that too yeah.

G

I bet it would.

G

Thank you my you know. A couple years ago you had me look at a report of yours that wasn't working right, and the issue was wasn't that it was the report. The issue was that it was your hospital's firewall, and so that would be my suspicion with your library if you can get it to work on one system is this: is the your happy valley, whatever test server on the same network as your author's catalog.

B

Of they're both being run by digital ocean and I did disconnect from the vpn at home. So I wasn't going through the hospital network.

G

B

Be my suspicion.

G

Is is your hospital network? um You don't think it is okay.

B

No because I wasn't using it- and I do have ufw enabled on the library, medical library catalog, but I disabled it, for this particular attempt.

B

Getting stranger and stranger.

B

Maybe my next month, I'll have everything sorted out and I can tell you solution to all my problems, except for the dog who needs an mri. But that's not.

A

Well, I do have a question for bywater people. Is there a time set yet for the 21 11 upgrades.

E

I think, while we're at our last meeting april or may will be, the rollout for early adopters june will be the upgrade webinars and then I think, late june will be the rollout we I can find out for sure what they are, but that I think that's where we're aiming for.

G

I've got another bug for the group sure, um so we've noticed this. uh Last week after uh the latest uh patch was put out uh 0.9.09 um the this permission uh modify holds priority. Permission was affected uh in the last patch. They did. They were tightening up some security and uh inadvertently crippled this particular uh permission. Basically, we have. We have staff that can can uh set holds for patrons and whatnot, but we specifically don't set this permission for this staff.

G

We don't want them adjusting the holds priority and we had several staff that were abusing that. So that's why we turned this particular thing off, but uh with the latest patch they weren't able to to modify pickup locations in the holds either, and so I found a a bug and we found out through trial and error that we had to turn this setting on.

G

Basically, they had to have all permissions for holds in order to to do anything with holds after the hold was created. So um a bug has been created for this issue.

G

If you want to keep track of it there, it's been created and signed off, but uh they're they're having discussion about some things further on this, but I wanted everybody to be aware of that. This was something that just happened a week ago and you may or may not be affected depending on how you set your permissions for your staff.

G

Yeah christopher had told me about this, and this was a problem that started for us with um it used to be in quahog. You could change the pickup location from the.

G

I you go to the the title and then click on holds and you could change the pickup location there and then a few versions ago, quite a few versions ago that changing the pickup location became an option on the borrower's record. You could go in and change the the pickup location there and it's the same situation.

G

There is where you can't, if you don't have modify, holds permission, you can change it if you go to the item, but you can't change the pickup location if you're on the borrower's record- and I can't find the bug that I open for that, but I don't think it's ever been fixed, but.

G

You know I it never got any traction, because I don't think there are a lot of people that have um that are using the that are using those two separate permissions, and so uh eventually what I did is I just since nobody was doing anything about it. I just took away those controls from our staff so that they don't see the up and down arrows or the they don't have. The ability to modify holds priority because they, I just use jquery, to take those controls off of the page. So.

G

If I find that bug I'll stick it in here, I'm looking for it right now.

G

Change priority: nobody can do that.

G

Yeah, it was something it was taken that permission was taken away from everybody here when there was that issue quite a long time ago, like about seven or eight years ago, there was an issue where the holds cue was being scrambled.

G

uh Every time a hold was filled, the they were weren't filling in the right order, and it was a bug that only lasted a couple of months, but one of my predecessors took that permission away from everybody at that time and all of a sudden hold stop getting rearranged by staff, and it's like you know, things are filling in the right order. Now, maybe more people were abusing this than we thought were abusing this, so it that feature doesn't exist anymore, yeah, yeah, that's kind of what I told people.

A

Okay, so um we're at the hour mark. So uh our next general meeting is looks like april 13th.

A

So hope you can join us then or somewhere on a sig meeting or whatever before then and for whoever wants to stay for the conference committee meeting uh we'll go into that and I guess, if nothing else, we can go ahead and stop the recording.

A

Everybody have a great day.