Koha-US SIG - Web Dev Special Interet Group, 15 Oct 2020

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00:33:35 Margaret Hade: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7374
00:37:38 Jason Robb: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library#Add_Date_Slider_to_Search_Facets
00:44:54 Jason Robb: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25375

A

So good to go there, um I did want.

B

A

Ask before we get too deep, we at the last month's meeting we decided. We could reschedule this for the second tuesday like two hours later. Today is the third tuesday, because we had a conflict with that. So can we just say the third tuesday from now on is that gonna work for everybody or not tuesday,.

B

A

Thursday days don't work anymore, so we were on the second thursday. This is now the third thursday, um so I think to avoid conflicts. I think the third thursday at noon is okay with the kauai us calendar. If it's okay with you guys.

C

That works for me.

A

Works for me too. Okay, I'll, update the website and make sure the calendar is correctly reflecting that.

D

Awesome thanks.

D

D

So I had a question I wanted to ask everyone um and it relates to uh series links in the opac.

D

um The reason I'm asking is because I get lots of requests or I've been getting lots of requests margaret- and I spoke about this yesterday- to have serious results, display or series links display in the opec results already displays on the details. Page, um I'm wondering if this would be a good idea to add to coho proper um via the xslt or if there would be any reason that libraries find that problematic and would rather it just be something custom done any thoughts or opinions there for.

C

A public library for us it's imperative to have the information there, because the patron wants to see you know which volume in the mystery series and what series and all of that it. You know it could be different for for academics or special or whatever, but for for us we really depend on that.

D

B

I'm with the department of archives and history, I'm janiece, we used the series uh link also and I had submitted a help that we're supported by bywater, and so we submitted a help desk ticket and I'm trying to find that information and they fixed it. For us. I can't remember right off the top of my head exactly what they did, but I'm looking for my ticket so once I find it I'll, let you know.

D

Okay, um I know I know lots. Lots of um libraries have used that custom xslt to make that happen.

A

Yeah I just double checked. I was pretty sure that I had already changed that so I already do have the series linking in my opac results and my staff results, because my catalogers wanted it. um So I I agree that I think it there's no harm in adding it, especially if it's got a css class, where you can hide it easily.

C

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C

And like lucas, you know with us through different versions and different changes. It's stopped working or you know been working differently, and so you've had to change it several times for us, because it's custom so it'd be better to be just. You know there.

D

A community version that included that okay, I'm gonna, go see if there's um a bug about that already open. If not I'm gonna open one and be about adding that.

D

That was my big question for, for this month. um uh Does anybody else have anything to like to talk about.

E

Are there any other custom xslt uh features that e3 are currently enjoying um that we might as well bring up while we're looking at it?

E

I can't recall off the top of my head, but it's I don't have anything.

C

I know we had the um the mpaa movie rating added on our details, page because again in a public library they wanted to see. Is it rated r? Is it rated pg? And so we have that added.

D

I suspect, at the end of the day, it would be okay to add any of these as long as they included a css class. So folks could hide them.

A

Yeah, I'm trying to remember what all I changed. I know that I had some changes in there for the rda fields before those were pushed to community, like um I don't think I'm using that anymore. I think the series was the big thing that I made changes on, because my.

B

A

Wanted it to appear- um and I think I I changed- how it searches and I changed how it traces, because we didn't want it to search the traced, serious headings in like the 800s. We just wanted it to to search on the term in the 490.. So I broke some extra stuff in there.

A

um But overall, I think that's the only thing I've tweaked, but it's been a while, since I messed with those.

D

um Jason, do you use that like to use github to host an external xslt sheet.

A

We have a a server like a web server internally that I'm hosting my my style sheets on.

D

um If, if search results were included in the community version, would you uh potentially use that um instead, probably not.

A

Because of the things I broke, um but I think it would still it would, um it would still be helpful. I could take out some of well, not really. No, I might I might. I would probably use it in the opac.

A

Maybe I don't know it really has to do with the tracings because, like it, it doesn't work how we want it to work. um If, if it's searching, not the term that we're seeing that we're clicking, I guess.

C

We've discussed um and again public library, so we've discussed not displaying the location of the publisher because our patrons don't care it's just extra information on the page and I think right now that's all kind of connected together and I I haven't pursued it, but I'm sure it could. You know something could probably happen with it right now, but um you know: we've even discussed not having the publisher just having to.

C

D

The hiding of things are, are usually um a lot easier and we can leave the xslt alone and just do it via jquery or css, um and.

E

Galadriel right, ideally, libraries can start up their cohab. They can download galadriel and then just toggle. All of that extra mark details that they care about to show and turn off the ones they want if they want a really streamlined, simple interface. So just here's, the title, author click on it. If you want more or if they want the results, uh lists to really get into the minutia.

C

Another thing we did, which it's not working really right now, but um because of our version upgrades and stuff, but for dvds on the results page, we didn't want to show you know five lines of contributors and performers, and all of that we just wanted to show the dvd title and then, if you want all that, go into the detail record, so um we had that hidden for a while.

C

So we still had the author showing on books and that, but on dvds, it didn't show and right now um there's something wonky with it. But it might be nice to be able to say you know for different item types.

C

Do you or do not want to include that information.

D

Based on the item type.

C

Thinking- item type but.

E

And barbara do all those other relevant people to the film end up in the same mark fields as usually the author and co-author. If it were a book.

C

Say let me see.

A

Yeah, if it's, if it shows in the 100, um it can also show in the like 700, if you.

B

Have the actors.

A

And stuff they go in the 700.

B

A

Going to display, in the same place that an author would from the 100.

C

We've done a lot of of customization on the display of the location and call number and availability on the results page in the opac, because it by default. I guess it displays kind of all on one line and for us it looked like it was all run together and it was kind of hard to pick out.

C

You know where was the call number, and then there was you know, parentheses, because you had two copies of it, and and so we broke it out into different um lines, um and maybe others don't think that was kind of difficult to read. But we just when we came live. We felt that was not a the best presentation.

E

I think I've seen a request recently from a partner about the call numbers specifically, and some really do want to prioritize. That and others seem to be fine with a location because, like you said, if it's multiple branches.

C

Yeah and that's multiple items and that's too we're a single site, and so our needs are different from a consortium.

A

Yeah, I've done some work on like trying to just make that cleaner in the opac. I've actually got the the location showing in a like a scrollable box, and I went through and removed all of the extra verbiage on the library names. So instead of it saying like altmont public library, it says altmont and I just remembered something that else that I did in my xslt I forgot I'd done. um Is I added icons based on, I want to say the 007, but maybe one of those other encoding fields.

A

So it can put it up in icon if it's a vhs or a blu-ray or a dvd, so that the patron knows that they're clicking on a record of a certain um format and they're not placing a hold on a blu-ray when they really want.

D

A

Or something like that.

D

um Is that currently do those currently share one icon.

A

Each one has a different icon, so there's a dvd icon, a blu-ray icon and a vhs icon, um which is something I just uh threw together and it's either the 007 or the o8, or maybe the the leader, I'm not sure where it it comes through at. But it's one of those encoding fields where that's defined.

D

It's the leader, it's the sixth position. I think.

A

Okay yeah, so again I did this a long time ago. I don't remember exactly what I did, but basically I said: if it's: if it's got the b in the sixth position, then it's a blu-ray display the blu-ray icon. If it's a d, then it's dvd or a v or whatever the codes are, um I I'm pretty sure I.

B

A

In the xslt and my librarians find that helpful too, my cataloger goes under the opac to look at new dvds just to see who cataloged it wrong, because the blu-rays will show up on that list. If it's not encoded.

D

Correctly so you've done that just for the opec, but not for the staff.

A

I can here I can show you.

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Looks like might as well right, yeah. um Let's try that one see my old pack screen, maybe yep, okay, so here's jurassic park, there's a vhs and then the dvd and then the blu-ray.

A

It's still not like super clean, but I don't know, and then this is what I was talking about as far as removing the verbiage and making it more of a a list that they can see without it like taking up the whole screen.

A

So those are some things. I've done.

D

That's a pretty nice way to make sure sort of each result stays the same exact size which is really nice. I think.

A

Yeah I wish we could get like cover images for the visual materials that would make it look even nicer, but we're, I think, we're using. I think we are using the harry say it cozy, whatever um server, but it amazon doesn't really have dvds and blu-rays, and neither does uh google sell.

D

That seems to be a long-standing problem with cohan is.

F

Able to get those.

F

B

I'm sorry, I have a question jason.

B

um I saw where you could have the the blu-ray and the dvd that only for your dvds and blu-rays or do you have like you know, like a book icon for book and a file folder for.

A

I have I didn't set that up that way. We were just focusing on the visual materials at this point, but it's definitely doable, I think, to add, add an icon for each material type.

B

Okay, well by library, we're a special librarian, so our material type. Well, we have the material types, but it's set up a little different, and so I had asked this question a while back and it was by I think, item our items. More is more set up as a where it will be delivered.

B

So we have a public reading room where only your books and your you know papers some papers will be. Then we have an archival reading room where your certain books that you know just can't be out in the public eye will go, and then we have a media room where it's microfilm, microfiche, vhs dvd, and so I was set up.

B

It set up like that, and so I think that was the problem when I asked the first time, but I didn't know, if anything has changed or will be changing with the upgrade my upgrade is scheduled for next month I'll be going to 2005. I think.

A

Yeah, it sounds more like yours are shelf locations or collection codes that you would want to leverage to.

B

A

In that kind of iconography, like mine, is leveraging the actual mark record okay um and the encoding in that. But do you think anything's possible? Okay, but lucas is the magician, so he might know better than me. Okay,.

D

I think it's sometimes good to make the to distinguish between what are the material type icons um which are different than the item, type, icons or images that you see and can administer um through the administration item types.

D

Those will show up in the holdings table um and you can. You can administer those through your your staff, client. The material types are the little um I think they're png's, but I'm not sure off the top of my head that uh are not administered through cohab, but I'm pretty sure it's from the leader it's somewhere in the mark. I think it's, the leader's sixth position.

B

We also use collection codes.

B

Could we put an image with the pacifi specific collection code or that writing script, adding script.

D

um Are you talking about denise about uh the the opec details or the opec results page or uh both?

D

B

We or, if it'll, be easier to do just one in the results. I would be fine with that.

D

A specific image for each collection.

G

Yes, do you want me to I can share my screen and kind of show you.

D

Yeah, why don't you.

B

Okay, okay, can you see those collection codes? I mean the these are the collection types, but you know we have codes for each one right.

B

And so, if a person did a search I in in the results page I if it was just showing right there, they could see that you know that's a a a book or if it was sheet music or and then when they go to the full view of the record, they don't necessarily have to see the icon. It doesn't to me that's not a big thing if it was just in the results page. That's fine.

D

um So would you you have um custom icons for each of these? um Theoretically, you would have I don't. Okay.

D

So I I think we could do something like you're saying, but we would need since coho doesn't have images or icons for collection codes.

D

We'd have to find those um I'm up with them. uh One option is to maybe look at font awesome, um which is used a lot already in koha. Okay, send you the link, um awesome 4.7, I think, um and so, if you, google, font, awesome 4.7 icons, you can look through a whole list of um nice icons.

D

I don't know if you're gonna find ones that would match perfectly for each of these collection codes, but I have to get a little creative.

G

D

Adding font awesome um icons is fairly easy um with jquery and I think we would be able to do it per collection code or the details. Page.

E

Okay, the collection code authorized value thing pulled up in front of me from my test site and it gives you the option to choose icons, but usually there's a if you want to use something else put it here and I'm not seeing. That is that, just on the item, types selection.

D

You're an administration looking at. Let me see.

E

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So if you go to authorized values, collection code and then go to edit a specific collection code, um it gives you the option of choosing an icon but doesn't appear to have a pick, your own option, I'm pretty sure it does.

A

Yeah, the item types allow you to do a remote image, but the authorized values don't. But you can't still like. I had this big plan where I was going to put in the um so we have the collection code, images set up and they show on the screen that janiece is sharing, um but I didn't like them. So I was going to like put in those images and then replace them with jquery with remote calls to external images, but I never got around to that.

A

But it's doable.

E

An enhancement to add remote image option for authorized values that.

D

Would be good, I think that wouldn't even be too difficult to copy. What is done on item types.

E

Yeah and then what about authorized value locations? I'm gonna look at that now.

D

F

Would be the same.

D

D

Yeah it looks like it's the.

D

D

Actually looks like you can do that for any any type of authorized value.

E

There is an old bug and I mean four digits old, uh seven, three, seven, four uh can't upload icon for off values.

D

uh See that number one more time.

E

Seven three: seven, four I'll put the link in zoom chat. It is a vintage.

E

Whoever is working on it got, a patch doesn't apply, but the last update was from this year in may.

D

So um looks like somebody says, they're working on it and it's that way.

D

E

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David some.

D

B

This is a non-related question, but I got the email about the core con. Do we still have to register just to view the online stuff.

A

The most recent email I got from them said that you should register so that they can send you the link, okay, the streams and stuff.

B

C

Another thing that we'd like to see in the um opec, on the results page is a copyright date, limiter publish date, limiter, search and a like date, added limiter search and before we went to elasticsearch, we used somebody's jquery and we were able to put a date search at the bottom. I put it at the bottom of the facets so that you could go down there and do it and then after elasticsearch it doesn't seem to be working, but it seems like having date limiting um on that page would be nice.

D

um I I feel, like I remember, seeing that maybe on your site was that a was that, like a slider bar, that you could change the dates with.

C

Remember the one one I saw recently that somebody does have in the wiki uses a slider. I kind of can't remember exactly what mine looked like, because it's not there anymore. I'd have to go back and it's on a slide. The powerpoint slides somewhere, but I don't think ours used a slider, but it was something where you could put in a. I think you typed in a date range something like that.

D

And does it seem like the only reason that broke for you is because of the switch from zebra to elastic? I think so. That's.

C

When I noticed it wasn't working anymore.

D

Maybe I can see if we can get two versions of that jquery going one that works for zebra and one that works for elasticsearch.

D

You said that you saw the jquery on the cohort wiki.

C

Yeah, I think it was from some university library, it's quite lengthy,.

D

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Maybe it just needs a couple tweaks to work correctly in elasticsearch. That's what I.

C

D

Hadn't pursued it yet.

D

Looks like jason posted the link to the jquery library. Thank.

D

C

So this is a small annoyance and uh on the results page we're currently showing the title, and we don't display the author after that on that that whole line- and we have the author displaying below.

C

But when you display only the title, you always get the last slash which I know is kind of like it's kind of like those things are all connected. But it just looks weird to have this hanging slash at the end and I'm you know picky enough, that I'd I'd love not to see it, but.

D

That's because, after the slash there should be like the 245b or something like that right, I I think that we should be able to write a regular expression to just see if the last character um in a given element is that slashed and then just get rid of it. If it.

D

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Barbara, if you open a ticket on that, I'd be more than happy to try to do that. For you, okay,.

C

I think another thing we did is because the reason we did it this way was we um we added the author and made it a clickable link from the results page, and so we didn't want to have the title and then the author, all on the first line and then have the author again, is the clickable link, and so we removed the author from from the first line. But it would be nice if the author was a clickable link because it seems like if you're on that page.

C

You ought to be able to click on it and execute an author search.

D

And that's currently what does happen on your catalog or that's something.

C

Well, we we have some jquery, that's making it clickable and let me.

C

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D

Okay, I assume maybe that's xslt, because as I look at your links um under your author searches they're, not like an author as phrase search but it's using um using an authority number.

C

And we, I know we based it off of, I think we saw um ajax library in ontario, I think, and they had their set up with authors. You could click on and I thought well how'd. They do that, and so we kind of followed up and did similar to what they're.

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D

Yeah, I'm looking at your your titles with the the trailing slash with nothing after it and it seems like in all those cases, it would be an easy, regular expression to get to find those and get rid of them.

C

Does the limit to um currently available items I think different times, I've read that that's not really working correctly on the results page. Is that true or not.

D

I uh are, are, you are using zebra or elasticsearch.

E

D

I don't know off the top of my head, but I thought that this was fixed, inelastic search but broken and zebra.

D

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If I remember right, what it was doing was if there was one item available and one item not available on a record.

D

It was discounting that entire record or or ship it was making it um not available. Even when one was available, because there was one not available.

D

I'll have to check to see if that is that still happening in your catalog.

C

I'm not exactly sure, but I know I've I've been in bugzilla and I've been doing some stuff and I've. I've come across things, making me wonder whether it works or not. So that's why I ask.

A

I know I had a ticket on this fairly recently, but I don't remember and it referenced the bug I'm trying to find it.

D

Are you all on elasticsearch, too jason.

A

No we're still on zebra, um but I think the it seems like the bug referenced. Elastic search is this: it.

A

Yeah here it's bug two five, three seven five and then like we're on zebra, but since we're moving towards elastic. This is what we were following, because we didn't figure. People would want to go back and fix zebra anyways. At this point.

C

Last I remember with elasticsearch in the staff client, if you're searching in the cataloging search, it's not really using elastic, it does. If you do the search the catalog and I know we opened a ticket on that, and I think there is an open bug on that.

C

But it'd be nice if it did.

C

Something else we did in the opac was um hide the subfield e of the author.

C

That says you know this person is an author novelist or children's book illustrator or whatever, because it just seemed like it was extra additional information on the page. It made things, you know more text it just we wanted it cleaner.

C

um So that was just something we.

C

C

We use synthetics for images and um reviews and just the different information that you can get from them um and sometimes well a lot of times. It seems like the reviews and and extra information and they've told me they get their information directly from the publisher, so they just use that, but it will have all these diacritic errors and it'll have html in it.

C

And just you know weird stuff, and I know they have, you can report problems to them and and they can end up fixing things, but is there anything in quahog that would help the display of that information.

D

Yes, actually, um if you find a flag, if you look at bug two four, four, seven, three.

D

Coha was not a letting not letting synthetics content uh use html, so you're, probably seeing like the markup in the um in those different synthetics descriptions. Publisher info stuff, like that um that patch should fix it and make the html.

D

Not display literally, but but do the things html is supposed to do and looks like that. One was pushed for 1911.09, um it's also in 2005., so that should go a long way to help fixing all that ugly markup stuff. You see.

D

For bywater partners, I think that means you will see that fix.

D

When 2005 comes, I don't think um you'll ever get to 19 11 09.

E

So the last week of november, first few weeks of december, is the target upgrade uh early. Adopters are going to see it the second week of november, approximately, depending on what date they chose with the early adopters coordinator.

C

Is it possible to still become an early adopter.

E

Yeah, I don't see why not. um I can mention that to danny who's, coordinating it um and I'll. Let her know if you want to submit a ticket, send us an email or something or I'll, ask her to do that, but I'll make a note of it.

C

And do does that, do you get like the new version loaded on your test server first and have time to look at it? That way. Is that how it works.

E

Test servers are due to be upgraded november, 2nd and then our early adopters have picked from a series of days after that. So let me just check in with danny. I think you can probably do it, but she'll have the final sale, yeah yeah, okay,.

E

D

Well, do we have any other questions or things we want to address this month.

B

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C

I don't think I have anything else. I think this has been a really good list of topics.

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A

Something I wanted to ask here, but I don't remember what it was so maybe I'll remember by next month.

D

A

Yeah, I have a problem with that. My problem isn't that I don't write it down. It's that I write everything down and then I can't I find it in the mess so um I'll, try and remember what that was.

E

Just email it to the google group automatically.

E

Don't check for typos just send it out.

A

Okay, that could get messy. Let's see, okay, yeah! No! I don't think I have anything either.

E

And it's a wrap, I think so next month, the third thursday at noon central time right.

A

Yes, so we're looking at that would be november 19th at noon: central 1, eastern, whatever. That is specific time.

E

11 mountain 10, pacific.

A

Okay and I'll get that on the calendar so that it shows and I'll get that website updated too.

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Chatting y'all bye-bye.

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