Koha-US SIG - Web Dev Special Interet Group, 18 Aug 2022

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00:08:56 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29532
00:23:49 Jason (SEKLS): https://imgur.com/a/HRwtZQH
00:24:00 Jason (SEKLS): https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30952
00:26:58 Lucas Gass: https://bedfordtx.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=dune&weight_search=1&DISABLE_SYSPREF_OPACUserJS=1&DISABLE_SYSPREF_OPACUserCSS=1
00:31:16 Jason (SEKLS): https://bedfordtx.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=dune&weight_search=1&DISABLE_SYSPREF_OPACXSLTResultsDisplay=1
00:33:06 Barbara Johnson: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15326

A

All right, so this is the August uh web dev thing for callus and um let's talk about web dev stuff. What what do we got?.

B

um I had a question about the Monday minutes from like a week or two ago with that uh card: uh uh electronic library card stuff that uh that Jesse and Kelly showed off that you had written Lucas I couldn't get it to work with the API version.

B

C

I only recently realized that, while testing that on the OPEC I was testing as a super librarian, always.

B

So that's that's kind of what I figured is the only way it would. Work is if you were logged in so now.

C

I've reverted back to a different way, which uses a unfortunately uses a report because.

A

C

Can't get a non-super Librarians card number, um so I have to have a very simple report that just uh I think with the borrower number gets the card number um I could I could give that to you um George and.

B

I already got it, you know it was on uh previous blog posts that you had done on my water and I was able to get it that way. So yeah.

C

That's on me and my fault, because I said: oh, we could just use the API for this test. It updated the blog and later realized I hadn't tested with regular users. Yeah.

B

I I've never done that foreign I've never tested on myself and then said: oh, this is how it works and then turns out that it only works. That way. For me, that's never happened to me. It happens to me all the time, so uh I understand completely what happened there. So that explains why it didn't work, though, also.

C

There's been a lot of interest in this. um A lot of libraries have asked me to implement a form so I'd like to file a community bug and just just put it into koha. That's.

B

That would be awesome. um You know we're doing our upgrade this weekend um and there are so few things that um I mean the the training for us is virtually non-existent. There's so few things that are new in 20 2205 for us or 20.

C

21 11 and 2205 are very yeah, slim releases, I would say so. I'm.

B

I'm putting this in there, we have a um meeting in a couple of weeks and I'm going to put this in the there the next day and say this is this: is something tips that I've got something to train people on.

C

Easily, these two releases will be pretty quiet, but then the release, which is Master right now, 22 11, is going to have a whole bunch of stuff in it.

B

Okay, well that answers my question: why that didn't work is because it can't work. Yeah.

C

Apologies um I will escape that blog post. So.

B

I I think you should maybe suggest to Kelly and Jesse that they take that Monday minute down if they haven't already.

C

B

D

C

To do is really update the blog post and use the report and that's what I've been doing partners that have asked me. So um it's not my favorite to use reports like that, but um the works. It seems to be the only way to make that.

B

Work at the current moment, okay I got it to work with the report, no problem. So, as a matter of fact, it was pretty pretty simple, although.

C

I wouldn't mind it's just a very simple dab where, if you're logged in somewhere in the HTML you're presented with your card number, if that's a hidden element or something um so yeah, you can do things like this or in other sorts of jQuery. Well,.

B

I know in um in the staff client in reports, you can generate a QR code and so that's I think would be the best thing as far as I'm concerned. If there was just development that had a spot, you could turn on in the in the you know, your summary, your yeah.

B

um If there was just one there that said your card, that that would present a QR code as a.

C

In in master now, I think maybe in 2211 there's this right, oh, like okay, Co-op already has this in there, but this sort of builds it in um to where you can generate barcodes. um That's awesome! You could do this right now. So if you took this URL and plugged it in it would work on the staff client. This doesn't work on the o packet. I think that was because of like misuse, concerns um but uh I think I'm gonna file a bug and see about.

C

If that could be moved over then card numbers in digital library cards could easily be added to the OPEC.

B

Yeah I'd like to see it as a QR code, because I think people understand that better and yeah.

C

And uh one more share I think this: it's.

B

Already that, like the so that has an option code, 30, okay, yeah, awesome,.

C

Yeah, it's got all these um barcode types, including QR code. um So if you're doing something staff client right now, you can certainly generate barcodes.

B

B

Other than that question I got nothing to do.

A

I guess I can share all of my fun times unless you've got something Barbara, you want to go first, no.

D

I, just I have a bug that I was gonna. Just briefly talk about um it's when you're logged into your account on the OPAC when you're.

D

Looking at your um checked out in your overdues it'll show you the cover image, but if you go over in to the holds tab on the summary, you don't see the image and it just seems like it would be a nice thing that if you know you're looking at well, what do I have on hold that you'd see the image, because maybe you don't remember what that particular book is or whatever, since I could be a nice additional um piece of information for the patron.

C

Is that a bug you already filed or yeah.

B

I just commented on it, oh I said I said, don't add this.

D

You're so contrary George, no.

B

I said this would be a great idea, so.

A

I agree: I think that would be a good addition.

D

And I, don't think I've put a bug out for this one, but on the hold history, tab there's no image there and it seems like that also would be a good place to to include it. So if you're going back through holds and things you could see that foreign.

A

I had a bunch of um post upgraded stuff, I did so I guess. I can share that.

A

So the first one there was a regression in the search results, which is already an impassion pushed in like 21-11, um where the due date went missing on the search results and that threw some people off so I just went in and uh if the item was checked out, I put this little checked out message there until that due date can come back um and that's about 31071 but, like you said, it's already been pushed and it looks like it's being backwarded. So yeah.

C

I think that went all the way to 211, so it should come in a PS upgrade yeah next month.

A

So in the meantime, I've just gone and then um found the ones that are checked out and added just a root. There's like a one in that uh normally so I, just replace the one with the checked out message on those nice um on the course reserves module.

A

They added this section where you can add things to the course reserved by bib number uh we're using it for displays, as you can see, I changed it all up, uh but this threw some people off because we don't have any reason to to make additions via bib numbers, but I didn't want to just totally hide it. So I I added.

C

A

Collapse that down so it's less intrusive, I, guess, intrusive, whatever, and so they don't have to scroll down the page, submit button and that's on the uh it's on the batch add to course reserves page, which is not what I needed for everything.

A

um I took away some other those pages and that one is just this code, I think yeah, so I'm replacing some things, adding those little that little Chevron. That was my big victory here with making the Chevron toggle sidebasion down nice.

A

um So it's just a little bit little things um on this page I had to hide the new check boxes and the cancel hold button.

A

So it's these um because the way the permissions are working right now, if I want to allow people to cancel hold and they have to be able to have these check boxes turned on, but I don't want them to be able to change priorities and things so I've I've blocked that part down and I got rid of all these and I think that was a barber enhancement, so I just wanted to share that. I had to turn off this I'm glad.

B

You shared that that's something I need to take care of too yeah. The problem with a Consortium is that if people can cancel things and reorder things, they will.

B

A

B

Come first so and they'll they'll muck it up every time.

A

And this one's pretty simple I mean I'm, just hiding that First Column and then um hiding a button. Oh I also changed the color of the trash can to read, because why not uh and that's this tomato, um so that was number three I also I hit the main contact method on the Patriot entry form.

A

I, don't have that one pulled up, but we don't use that so um and then I went down arrival hall yesterday, so I would I've been adding these little icons on the permissions page, because I want to lock some things down, um but I also realized that I I personally want to be able to access all the check boxes. So I made these little toggles to turn off the JavaScript or the CSS on the page.

A

Of course, if I turn off the JavaScript, it goes away entirely because there's no.

C

A

um But uh the CSS toggle actually works on page, so it'll like turn it on and off, and this was fun because some pages already have a query. String started and some pages don't so we have to count for both of those things um and it works as far as I can tell so. If I on this page, there's no query string turn off the JavaScript. It's pre-appending, the string with the question mark um on a search page, for example,.

A

There is a query: string started so I'm using slightly different code um to append it with.

B

A

So it works pretty smooth and on this one I just set it up for super Librarians, so they're, the only ones that see those toggles.

A

um So here's the code for that there's probably cleaner ways to do it, but it worked and I was excited that it worked I.

C

Used something pretty similar except it's a grease monkey scripts. So um when you turn off when you disable it, those buttons still pop up since it's not cohot yeah.

B

That makes sense, yeah I use Grease, Monkey Too for stuff like that stuff that nobody else in the world needs to me right.

A

um Then I have something else: oh this one's for George, so the I'm pre-filling some dates. This is a report that I took from George and I also stole the code to pre-fill some of these parameters, but with the calendar changes these days got thrown off, so I had to change just it was this part of the day conversion string because it like flipped it around and was giving me weird dates like it formats the date slightly differently with the new calendar, plugin I'll.

B

Take a look at that.

C

Yeah I've had some struggles kind of learning how to manipulate the new uh flat picker date. Picker.

B

I suppose I can just log in and steal them from your system. Yeah.

A

You don't even have to log in you can just go to my staff login page and that's true.

B

I'll just log in that way, I can break something too over here.

A

Excellent I'm I'm, leaving after this meeting for the weekend, so please break it now so that they have to suffer over the weekend.

A

So that's pretty much everything that I've been working on lately, a lot of just hiding stuff that the upgrade gave me because I can't have it at the moment.

D

Notice also on the OPAC, when you're logged in and you're looking at your checkout history.

D

If you have uploaded a local cover image for the item, it doesn't show, and it seems like that would also be a nice thing that that image would follow through. You know to all these different displays if you've got it so like, if we somebody looks out, looks up their library of things and their stem kits and their you know. So we have pictures for all of those.

D

um You know none of that shows on the checkout um history and.

A

D

Also, it doesn't show on on just your summary of checkout, so it's not coming across um the local images are coming across. Maybe.

C

We need the same kind of white box that oh and uh added to the OPEC and the staff client, which it'll show you everything that you have set. So if you have a local and a synthetics and a cozy, it will show you all three. In the little like box, um uh slideshow.

B

D

Should have that everywhere, I'm big on images so.

D

I'm also interested in the new interface, that's being staff interface, that's being worked on and I saw that Owen come in and on the bug this morning, I guess and I took a look at what he had as some new alternative displays for the header and the search box and the way that is and I really liked what he did.

D

um We were going to try and you know, talk about that and show a little bit of it at our koha US general meeting, but the sandbox seems to be gone again or not working so I love to see it kind of there, so people could always get into it and see. What's going on.

C

Yeah and if the rest of you haven't looked at the sort of mock-ups and stuff that Owens added you, you should and comment on them. um You're on mute.

B

George I saw his email today, but I haven't had a chance to look at it yet so um do.

D

B

D

Do they have any kind of time frame goal for this project I.

C

Don't know originally it was 2205, but that's came and gone. So uh there's a lot of changes there and probably a lot of people have various opinions on how that looks and stuff like that, um it's a lot changes so I, don't know um be nice if it was in this coming release but I don't know if we're gonna get there or not they're gonna.

B

Get there or not yeah yeah I know I rocked the boat a little when I said that that search box and then the way at the top is too small.

C

That seems to be the biggest complaint so far that I've seen regarding this uh redesign. This is the search box, yeah.

B

Yeah there are many people that work at our libraries that there's no way it was so tiny. There was no way they could have seen it, what they were doing at in there and.

D

Owen's latest um alternative is using. You know the checkout check-in renew instead of the icons which I think for a busy. You know information desk, that's pretty imperative to kind of have it be in your face, easy to see, you know easy to get to and I think at one point somebody made a comment about you know: maybe the icons could be used if you were on a mobile view or something and I could see it more for something like that.

A

Yeah I'm, looking at one Owen's little animations here and I I, definitely agree. I didn't think those icons were especially intuitive like.

D

A

A new person comes in, um they aren't going to know what those icons mean. Even some of my old people, like so I like this better, where it's actually labeled.

B

I just found his email so.

A

Here I'll put this in the chat for the viewers at home. That's that's the embryo length that oh and it showed it shared those ideas on.

B

I think um you know the International Community I think one of the things they like about icons is that they don't have to worry about translating yeah.

C

B

But if they're you know like two millimeters High, that's not.

D

A

Yeah and I mean he's using the same terminology that we're currently using so like I.

D

A

Guess all that.

C

A

Of already taken care of.

B

C

This isn't horrible.

B

I I know what I hate and I don't hate this.

B

Overall, it's looking pretty good. It's looking.

C

Great always going to be some things that didn't pick up.

A

Yeah I think it's going to be a tough transition, no matter what so like just getting there and then moving forward is probably the the best.

B

It's my experience in the past is is when something graphically changes on the screen staff will scream and yell about it for about two days and then and then a week later, you ask them about it and they don't remember what it was like before. So.

D

I still will have a question and I have an open ticket on it on the I'm going to go ahead and share. My screen hold on.

D

Are you able to see it? Yes, so still having an issue with this? You know no items available and there's no other information.

D

So I went into that preference that our product results Max items we've talked about that at some meeting. I can't remember where and I tried different things and for me it doesn't seem to change much of anything.

C

uh Let's see here, let me.

B

I think that preference does something different.

D

And then I happened to look at this title is in a list, so I looked at the list.

C

Pull up this uh URL, um it has the disabled CSS. So.

C

Just by using that I can tell that we have a CS custom, CSS problem, because I can see this.

C

Oh wait on the top one I, don't the very first one though I I, don't.

D

Yeah I, just I thought I disabled, both the CSS and the JavaScript at different times and couldn't come up with and then I wondered if it was my xslt in some way about.

C

And do you have custom yeah.

D

And like when I go over here and look at um this is a list now in the list. I get information about available to check out and not available. It doesn't look very good, but so.

C

There were some changes in HTML structure to this results. Page I've seen several tickets. Typically, it's been custom, JS or custom; CSS, that's thrown it off and I fixed it that way, but uh yeah this ish. This time it may be a year because some xslt and.

D

I know I think we've talked how I'm we need to probably go through and find out all the custom things I've got and see if we can move those over to other ways of dealing with it. So that may be what I need to have done. Yeah.

C

We might want to look through that, because if we can do stuff without using custom xslt, we can use the API and JavaScript to get the stuff you need on your page. The way you want it. We should because custom XL xslt is not super great, because you run into this sort of like custom Branch thing where you're.

D

A

That's what broke this for me in the end, I just looked because I thought it was that system preference as well, but I hadn't changed the system, preference on my live server at all I, just just gotten rid of the custom style sheet and I fixed it. So that's definitely what my problem was.

C

And if you go to your xslt system preferences Barbara, you can find the one for OPAC results, copy the value of that system, preference somewhere else um and just put in the default which just the word default.

C

um Save it go back. Let the two access! So look at your page, see if uh it's better yeah and that can at least you know, tell you if.

D

I hadn't done that yet because it seems like when I had taken out the the custom, xslt link and then tried it with defaults, and then it's like okay, all I'm doing is you know, kind of doing a toggle and now I'm going to put back what I had yeah it wouldn't come back and I'd have to open a ticket, and so I hadn't done that. Yet just simply out of you.

C

Can also open a ticket, we do the opposite way. Where I take your xslt and put it into my test environment and see what happens. Maybe it's safer.

C

A

Can you use the the URL trick thing with that system, preference.

C

Jessica doesn't.

A

Put the default and then it just strips the xslt entirely right. If you write, if you have it just set.

C

As default, the word default, it should just get the style sheet. That's the xslt style sheet, that's from Co-op properly through your version.

A

So I guess I'm wondering like. If we did this, where we're disabling, that system preference, then it's what's it falling back onto.

C

You all use custom style sheets if I'm not mistaken, right for.

A

Xslc I'm getting away from it. My results don't anyway, because because of this problem, exactly um but I have some.

C

A

Stuff in there that needs replaced with jQuery foreign.

C

Dev related bug, bug enhancement, is uh 15326 which, which got pushed to master I. Think just the other day. It's gonna be nice to add a CMS feature to koha properly.

C

You can build your own pages instead.

B

Of the hacky thing we've been doing for like the last five years, yeah.

C

Yeah and that's that's actually not even in Co-op properly, it's in Bywater builds, but thank you.

C

This is going to use the same tool as additional contents used for new news and HTML customizations. Now that's cool, so you'll build pages. That way.

B

And the thing I like about that is, it means we can limit a page to one branch, yeah.

C

And it's going to be just much more user friendly to use.

D

Pretty cool yeah.

A

There's a lot of potential there.

C

A

A lot of potential lots.

C

Of things you could do.

A

B

It's a lot of potential for more work too I.

A

Want I want a custom.

B

Page I want a custom page. Give me a custom page, no.

A

One has to know I mean it just has yeah it's a tool in our pocket. We don't have to tell them.

C

But it also makes it to where uh Librarians can um you.

A

Can put their whole.

C

Web presence into the kohio pack, if that's what they wanted to do,.

A

Oh no! No! Let's not think about that.

B

Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking about.

B

C

A

I'm kind of out of topics web Debbie, you got anything else.

A

I have a unrelated question for Lupus I. Guess um everything's Web different, but do you know if there's been any progress on the the problem with the auto renewal, like duplicate messaging issue, I, think you've got one of my tickets on that.

C

Let's see is that the two.

C

So, let's see so what you're saying when you say duplicate, do you mean uh you're? You say you have two of two renewals and you you're on the second one and day one day, one it auto renews and says your thing is not a renewed and now it's due in the future um and then the next day you're getting uh which is called the too many error yep.

C

um Where it's then um then, the next day you get a sort of confusing two Patron messages that.

A

C

This will no longer renew yeah.

A

Even though there's renewals available they're getting that second message saying you ran out of reviews and then when it actually becomes due, then it does get renewed. It's like it's using too many instead of too soon too.

C

Soon is there's a too soon is related to your no renewal before circulation Rule, and there is um about three zero. Seven five five two soon should not be counted as an error which, to me makes sense right, like this. Just shouldn't be an error, um an auto renew error. It just you just shouldn't, get anything if it's too soon that confuses folks too um I. Think the too many there's been different discussions on if it should be there or not, and some some want it, some don't.

C

uh uh If I have a ticket of yours, I apologize, I haven't looked at it yet, but I do have. I do have a template that will work better, where we just completely eliminate that error, and then we can do that with template. Toolkit.

A

So so yeah I'm currently using the template. That's on that book you just mentioned um and that one didn't do it for me. So is this.

C

Happening for you for both Auto renewals and auto renewal, digests.

A

I think yeah I think so because we it was happening with the regular Auto renew message and then the suggestion was move to the digest and we can fix it and we did that and it was still happening. So. Okay,.

C

I think I have a fix for you. I just need to go. Look at your templates test. It make sure it works and um I will provide you with that. Template toolkit, um Auto renewals lately have been buggy, I'd, say: I I, don't know, notices at least have been sort of difficult to get. The templates right.

A

Yeah- and this is I- mean we've only got one Library testing it right now and it's only being tested on staff members so like this is our first kind of step in the auto renewals, okay,.

C

uh Yeah, essentially, the best thing to do there that I could think of right. Now is just eliminating that air from ever sending anything in in the notice. So.

A

The too many error, yeah.

C

I think the other thing, though, uh folks have done, is just change the messaging to be less confusing like uh instead of like this has failed, and that's concerning to patrons it's just like uh just.

B

C

Like this won't renew again, you've reached your limit yeah um there. So you could do that too. If you'd rather still tell people like something like hey, it's not gonna Auto renew again, and it is still due on next day um then. Furthermore, somewhere I have to dig it up, but Kyle wrote a patch I know it's been pushed to master I, don't know which versions it's linked down to that will.

C

uh Let us in templates, perform logic based on like one of two renewals, two of two renewals and get that info, which will make it a lot easier too. Do the things people want in the notices.

A

Yeah that'd be good yeah, because I think it would be really nice.

C

If you could, you know your thing ought to renewed. This is two of five, so hopefully that's coming in the future. Awesome.

A

All right that was my last question: I've exhausted my problems for the day um anything else we want to talk about before we close-up shop.

D

I guess just the next month's web debt meeting will be at the kohakhan conference I'm, not sure which day it's on either the.

A

Isn't this one the last the last I.

C

A

C

Last day, because I I realize my flight leaves that day and I won't be, uh I won't be able to make it to the web. Dev Maybe.

D

um So that's probably September 23rd I.

C

Think it's Thursday it's on Saturday or Friday.

D

Friday Friday Friday.

D

A

So Friday at I guess we're not last the last we're Friday at 11 A.M.

D

I think Consortium is last yeah.

A

But yeah and I don't know. Christopher had mentioned that you might not be able to make this guy offered today. Stand in um I was already standing in for sysadmin, but now I might not be since Andrew took that one over so but I mean I'll, be there.

A

Alrighty well, awesome see you guys in person next month, yeah exciting.

A

All right we'll wrap it up. Then thanks. Everybody.