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Demo of Chartify, Demo of AppController+Helm, Standups

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Okay, welcome everyone. It is january, thirtieth, um you're attending, say apps as usual, and I have a few announcements and housekeeping items. So, first off we have a new city, apps YouTube playlist under the Cooper Nettie's YouTube account I, also, and so there's a link to that in the in the notes and agenda there's also a post retro survey. We talked about aster de la see any kind of outlines some questions around what you like and what you'd like to improve about stay up.

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So please take their survey, so we can make informed decisions to make these meetings in this group function better and the best way possible. There is also a 16 tracking duck link in the agenda. This is just a spreadsheet with um with the features that we had outlined as roughly wound up six items that we want to target, and so, if you're going to be giving us stand-ups around those items, please feel free to put your contact information jones and I'll, be tracking down folks to fill out that sheet.

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That's just for us to keep track of who's dimming stand-ups for these items, so you don't necessarily have to be like the point person, but please come in and talk to us about about what you're doing.

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So, that's all the announcements I have for now. This meaning is the first meeting in our new new format of the gaps meetings. I emailed everyone about the new format, we're basically just going to be using we're gonna, be alternating between, like a general plus stand up format and a demo +. What's you know, debate a particular topic of interest format? In those cases there will be a section at the end for open forum as long as there's time.

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I expect this meaning to be shorter than the next meeting and we'll just see how that goes for the next few weeks. If you have any comments or concerns, feel free to reach out can use the usual means of communication, so our first demo is by small saha on he's going to do a demo of chartoff I, so it small. Are you lying yeah, im sue?

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We can't hear you if you're talking, oh.

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Oh okay, now, what's all your step occasionally speaker while I can.

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Hear you can everybody else hears no I will.

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You can go feel.

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Free to continue this I will just figure out. What's going on. ah Ok,.

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It's so Scott and park. Let me share my screen.

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Yeah, so can you guys see my screen? Yes, yeah, okay, yeah, so so terrified. So basically we build this sort of simple lalia CLI tool for helm. You know. Initially, we started using qualities, as just you know like just using the quantity is a day of generating, took like using RC and like sports, and things like that.

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Sorry to take a 20, be short sentences, but later we sort of wanted to use this film format so that, like we, could maintain the history of release and you know in our faster, so we wanted to migrate from the communities objects into like its chart format, and we figured that you know if there's something that could sort of help generate this sort of basic chart format. That will be really handy. So we don't be too so it basically has lately like one command.

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You said you know you do go, get to get the tool and then say stratify kid. You give that your shark name and then you can basically 35 various types of quantities objects. So it will connect to your right, Pete, currently selected communities cluster in your cube, complete file on your local host, or can also actually give it a directory full of like a general files that you probably have some mihalik I stood before kind of handy for running unit tests, and then it will create a folder.

D

Well I can give you a little bit play short demo here, for example like I have discussed irony, so it has really like a single a deployment running. You know just as one container god. So if I learn the command like terrified th, the ceramic consequence before you can be filed and at the deployment since it doesn't say any minute face, it will basically take the default linux place, so you and I hit enter and it will clear the sort of the basic chart format.

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So I can show you here so I was running in the sort of the same I. You know go so fuller. So if I go inside d5 that I just hand, you can see essentially create the sort of the standard charter ml file, and then it has the bellows EML files in the value journal file. What it turns is basically for each container, it will create a top level entry and then it will for sorry for each for each email for deployment it will give top level and she and then for each container.

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It has the image and the policy on the tag and then also the name of space, and if you keep them in strategy, go sort of the coders, we can sit back.

D

Yeah so and then I think if we could well here, it should probably should be an actual deluna, be armed t deployment strategy screen, but and then in the deployment object that I generate. So you know, the original deployment object in the cluster was very fragile.

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The deployment.

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So you can see their actual object that it sort of used to generate this template, so we removed some of the survey automated annotations, that cube quantities, adder apps like be like the deployment division version or some of the time stamp or uid or cell c4 kind of stuff waiting for sort of all that stuff object and then sort keep all the other stuff. So the intention is to basically give you a you know as much as possible to be very like a ready version of the chart.

D

But then we expect you to make some in a manual modification before you actually shuttle fully ready, yeah so and then I, for example, like you know, like we actually been all sort of also changing the format that it guides as we sort of walk through the process. So, for example, here I think for this particular deployment.

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If only want you like apply the same like label that you have for your object for the deployment. If you do that, like the size changes here, manali and then as I have the same thing open here go to cali.

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Defies the venture, so if I run keep home install this far, so they're basically take the same deployment object and deploy it go back here.

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You can see that new deployment is just graded and then play the first should be running water yeah for the bodies also running this just started.

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So that is a pretty much my short demo, so I mean I just showed you with like a one single object, but if you combine multiple objects, it'll sort of handle all of that cases, so you know I, guess you guys to sort of try that tool and if you find any bugs with things like to know how the patterns, you might think, should this better suited it was done, wit experience with chart. We are linked to get your feedback and you know update the tool as time goes along.

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So most of the format that we cleared it was based on, like I difficulty went to the standard when I discharge repository and so how all the other sort of application circulars or try to sort of based it on that, but yeah but I think it's sort of. I mean we expect it to be. You know all those needing some manual man, you know modification before you can actually sort of use the generated chart. Little object now so that is pretty much my demo so did I have any cushion I.

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Have one question: so: how hard is it to change? You know what it does. Any automated question of the existing resources that pretty simple girl there is that company yeah.

D

It is actually pretty simple, but we haven't made it like guinea. I haven't really tried to make for like smart or anything. We just stay there.

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That's very had.

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Like a fixed from it, so it is actually play not a whole bunch code, so you can actually sort of go to that and see how changes yeah yeah.

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I'd like to kind of track, is you know, there's multiple for the purchase of starting a chart from nothing or you can press them home create or you can go backwards and get everything you want, and you know pull it back with the to like this I'd like to try that and see what we want to recommend on the charts resell for people's insiders. I think, is equal to get whatever's easiest for people I.

A

The question and what this will do, when you don't supply a deployment object or a particular object, can't scaffold just a basic deployment.

D

No so I know I always expected you to provide something, and then it's charged based on that we haven't done that part I liquid. You have nothing, but you can and ikea like a basic in place. We haven't done this yep.

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The other thing that will be called the take the entire namespace. You know I kind of when I'm working on something partition. Everything out just say: okay, I'm, going to start working in the same space, try to get my chart right so to basically say just go, make this namespace the chart basically would be a nice people. I think.

D

That can be actually done very easily, I mean basically, it will take this particular writing like a bigger, follow each other via the providing all objects. That I think that can be actually done. Worry to me. Go.

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A general comment or not, the packet related to stratify are, but we should probably fix the way with sport things and are coupled with the template proposal. I was in the Corps. We should be able to do a solution. You have to export a namespace template and then probably other two skewness template I.

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Mean it's especially cool that you can get rid of the auto-generated annotations, pretty awesome, ok, cool I! Does anybody else have any questions.

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All right, I think the general consensus is. This is awesome, so thank you so much and will put more details on where you can find certify and in the google docs of the agenda. Thank.

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Ok, so up next is the ACT controller plus home demo. You want to take it away. Ok,.

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Yeah, let me just show my screen and we're good to go. Can you see it yeah cool I, so my name is magicjack. I am working in the lab says the developer, and this is a demo. Basically, it's the same demo that I showed some time ago or developer sync up and supposedly it was nice enough to do to get in here. So I'll, just I'll just give you some background so up controller.

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If you are not sure what it is, is it's the control of the journey or cluster that allows you to develop you to orchestrate a complicated workload that have deployment graph that need some stuff to be created before the other stuff, so you can, you can define dependencies and actually create create objects into burnup is in the order that you actually define. So that's up controller and he'll I. Guess you all know elm and inhale.

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You also have dependencies, but the current way that film is creating all dependencies is that it shuffle them all into their cluster. Basically, so if there is dependency tree, it doesn't really care. So it just reads all the all the templates from the home chart and it it creates the object based on this chart.

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So it's fine in most cases, but if you, if you would, if you have an application that actually needs to wait some time for some other object to be ready inside research abilities, then maybe this is something that that you will be able to use in some time when we are finished out of this ok, so I will go to the demo right here. Maybe well make it a bit bigger. Is it ok, the pond5.

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Ok, so we have a cluster. The cluster cares running up controller fault. If you can secure the there are no dependencies or definitions which are third-party objects. There are only these third-party resources definitions. They control uses them for for free up for storing information about the diploma. So what I'm doing now is I'm running my custom version of pillar, which is a sham server. I am first off.

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I hope I have this file kalyan that has persistent off, because it's a disclaimer, I still don't have a persistent volume in my in my cluster and basically the WordPress directory right here is the water discharge that has only one alteration, which is replica Seth, Griffith replicas number set to one inside the Maria BD cluster, because by default is 0 and Excel does it differently. But when you, when you move orchestrations of controller, it's actually so now expects expects a replica set to have size more than 0. This is all like proof of concept.

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This is not production, great software ship. Yet so what I'm doing now is I'm going kicking so this chart with these custom values. It was persistence, the table and via my custom, to the server. Ok. So as you can see what of the happen, we have some resources here. So, as you can see all these resources- and usually you see, polls and deployment. Well, usually, you see deployment secret up like this year.

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Actually right here, you can see only up controller result. Definitions here and here are the app controller dependencies. We can see a little right you, so if we, if we get the girl step.

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Yeah so, as you can see, each dependency has a child and a child and the parent and I'm using WordPress, because it's it's the simplest child that that was in stable in stable extendable that Oh stable when I was starting to work on this google concept. And basically this is all.

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There are dependencies made for each object from wordpress chart, that's not to mark each object of murrieta be charged, so each object of wordpress from orchestra pitch was the deployment and config map depends on each murrieta picture. It can be optimized further, but it's not yet, but it it. It is going to get. There is the actual interest in this, and if we gain traction with this with this stuff, so we have dependencies. We have resource definitions which are basically, as you can see. They are just.

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They are just rough, for example, config map. They are wrapped deployment. The there is called super natives objects behind. This result, definition, okay, so, as you can see here, there are no objects created yet so we need to do something about this so right now this is. It gets integrated into a film as as some kind of some kind of plug-in or stuff like this.

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We haven't discussed it with which can come in here if they even loaded, so so, basically right now, I'm just running an exit on a controller port which will run the orchestrator yeah. So, as you can secure, there is all murrieta p objects are being created, but we need to wait for ya. I will give me one second, and I will answer questions, ok, sure, just one minute or I can answer. While we are waiting for maria to be forced to get up because it takes about one.

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Minute I found a.

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Split it was up and, as you can see, WordPress objects were created. It was all done. It was all orchestrated inside the controller and a controller Bob. Yes, so this actually concludes the demo.

G

This cluster region is the best place, so it's quite likely that this post will actually fail, but this was all about showing the house, definitions and dependency definitions and dependency can be basically generated from existing column chart. So this is this. Is it and I saw some questions in the chat, so I will try to answer them now or car jockeys. Can you offer any to catch up of the chat? Oh ok.

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We also see- and you know what already answered the questions. So if there are any other questions, I will be happy to answer them.

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So can you sell quickly show us like what are they additional components? You need to use the controller like DUI, I, affinia, that killer server and then like Google, Quran and extra component component? Yes,.

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There is a controller port, it's running right here. It's simple pod right now we plan to make to make it into the replica set. Advise me too.

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We need to figure out how to how to synchronize three different boats running running basically the same valve, but basically yeah you need for fist around, but I, wouldn't really it's really proof of contact great right, one, basically unique up controller. The repository is.

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Yeah I will put it in the chat. So this is the the repository of our controller. You can you can check it out and, and the other stuff is the pillar, because the way it works is a killer, server inhale create generates generate the object, is it needs to create in humanities, from templates and the way it works? Is it before it sends to Copernicus it catches these objects and wrap them into the app controller up controller resource definition.

G

So the reasons the research definitions are actually created, not the object themselves which are created were later on when the orchestration along the actual orchestration, happens and end their naive version of dependencies are created, so each each object from each arc depends on each object from its parent charts. So it is not a situation here, but it was the fastest way to actually achieve the dependency handling.

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It does it doesn't answer the question.

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One part I'm up here is like who actually does their actual report enduring? It is a scintilla or it is yes.

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The actual resource, rendering yeah.

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So tillers out that and after that, after that killer, also wrapped it using the app controller libraries rub them into the research the best dependencies before sending them to the two optical, so their first step is rather than, and the second step is rub them into the resource definition. Okay,.

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Yeah so anything else from anyone, I'm happy to answer I.

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Thought started: making like a programmable depending feel like maybe like user, can write like a JavaScript or some sort of script that they can decide like exactly how the they declare my independence opposes works I mean you basically give you that the full you know power and the flexibility, and instead of defining something in a youngin file or more. Oh, you.

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Mean generating the dependencies whoa? Well, actually we have the tool in a controller that does it does just that. It's simple, as you said, it's a simple web page based on jss that actually lets you define the big graph, so you can so we can then download dependencies, but but it's not empty into the glass right. You need to help the young as the inner intermediate are ya.

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Yes, not you can you can you can generate the young from the from the graph that you see on screen? Actually I can I could show you that I'm not sure yeah time for this oh yeah.

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I can't take it. Yes,.

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In repetition, you feel: grab user, ok,.

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There are several questions in chat, but I think Jane, yellow.

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Shouldn't you talk to them.

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Thank you, MJ for foot. Support on the chest can.

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You pronounce your name Fred one more time. My.

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Name: machi, ok,.

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um Ok, so awesome, thank you so much for your demo really excited to see this progress, and if anybody, however, has questions now at the time, ok I think we're good. Let's go on to stand up thanks again, thank.

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Alright, so first up is a staple set up date. Is anybody here to give us an update on that.

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Okay, you can hear me hire good people who don't know me on you to google. My name is Kenneth and on Eric's team and work words at Google for about 2-3 months and I've, been working on doing a few things and staple set with the semantics of respect to actually making sure everything is running ready and we don't get deadlocked under the condition where you have two successive class blocking so right now, that's done added some more test cases at the unit level, Roberta and ends up and then we're going to start.

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Collecting requirement seems building a road map or what we want to do. Chris stapleton going board.

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Okay, thank you. Any.

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Question: okay, I Damon said update, update.

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Just thought that's fun like a patient but I'm talking, that's what on it. So I should have much to say it. Thank you.

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There's a there's, a pull request out is that blocked or anything or what's the status on that.

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um Good is the pull request on Dana sucks, update blocked by anything.

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Great thanks, I.

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Think Luke Roger, are you the you're, the author of the PR they're, talking about right, nice.

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Mean before Lucas on a vacation, we did kind of want to do around her divine review, and that has settled just in time for a return. So I think injure making good progress.

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Thank you and we have a deployment. / replicate that update yeah.

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Sure this isn't College from the opposite team. This related mostly ensuring that English table esta fixes I had a local pool on going for a migration because so hit my great determines due to the fact that they are using another a sessional. Would you choose quick, break strength, 500 force, but I gotta fix in 44 Club policy, which mitigates the issue and that I right now don't have the capacity to work on it, Fergus relief and neither embody my team so I'll get. You are good as a few and there's.

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There's one additional issue with the Parliament I started working on moving deployment to fv1 beta 1, so that we can actually change the default and, unfortunately they're bad PR is going to be blocked by by the fact that we cannot generate open a TI back for two identical resources in different groups. Clayton has a TR and slide and I'm waiting for that plant and 11 status. Man I I didn't update my PR regenerate yeah, the open API, and that should be.

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Could have written for 1.6 because we are defaulting. There are came upon official by footnote. Users will not end up having an erotic assets in their project. Ya. Think.

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Awesome to a question about that open pls many.

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Many actually has a small one that we're trying to merge this week. So hopefully they'll get cleared up real quick, Oh that'll.

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Be cool not only cool, because we have 11 batters and then deaf children book a few other issues. I.

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Think if we're good on that, then that concludes our coup. Bernie's score updates. Does anybody have anything related to cabrini scores? They want to do a stand-up on.

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Okay, I wanted to bring up I wanted to bring up one item: real, quick, so good, okay, so.

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Been getting a fair amount of feedback from people doing practical staples, led deployments in production settings and one of the things that was requested and I think this is tied in a little bit to the the point I was brought up earlier was allowing staple sets to burst, to bring up all their instances at once.

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First papal says that can handle that and brendan is open an issue a couple weeks back and there was a workaround for his particular problem, but I did want to get some discussion on it, so I'll post, a link to the issue in here my copies to guess misc on it last night, but I'll copy. The issue in here people are running staple set and won't get feedback. I think this was something that I started to see. People bring up in many different contexts.

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I want to make sure everybody is on the same page with it.

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I had a quick question to claims point so Roberson's. It really just a use case where they don't. They want a specific number. They want to ensure fencing, but they don't really care about the order in which they're deployed. That really is.

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Before we sorted out some of the restrictions around the fencing aspects like ensuring that there's never two pods with the same name on the cluster from some of the ordering restrictions work to be I'd, bring that simple as possible so yeah. This would be something like if I can bring up three and my images no to talk to the first one. Always, then you can guarantee that you're not going to get split brain.

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There was some concern about people going and saying: oh I'll, just create all of them at once, and then they'll all just form a quorum, but if there's other implications there- and so we kind of with the safety first angle- and I think now we're at the point where we're ready to let people take the training wheels off on a couple of things. Can.

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We talk about this a little bit more offline and IRS engage around and you might be able to do this kind of satisfied. Both your faces, yeah sure.

A

Thank you. um So, let's move on to a non-core updates, so how you have an update for us sure.

N

Can you hear me? Okay, my audio has not been working great right, so the the big news for us is that Taylor Thomas has joined from intel, has joined the Corps home team last week and has already jumped in and as a QPR's merged has been doing. Massive amounts of work to support the community and very exciting was really really happy to have him on the team.

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Otherwise we are just moving ahead on the 2.2 relief yeah. Almost all my hair is gone, we're just moving ahead on the 2.2 release. We are still slated for second week of februari as our release date. There are a few minor things. We have to pull off the release candidate because of backward compatibility breaking things, but they're also a few new things that we pulled into sort of replace it. So that's where we are. The big feature is coming from Michelle. So who is working on the testing support for in cluster test in the charts?

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That's all I got for this week. Thanks think.

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That y'all do demo I'm a test feature in the coming weeks um and chart. If you have something for ya.

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So we're a bit buried under PRS right now.

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It is mostly just packing up stuff from the 15 X changes and just some general best practices that we've on-boarded to stable charts that we want to apply across the board so we're working through those there's kind of two or three batches of those and we're working through the last one today.

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So a little like kind of on hold on new charts, making it into stable right now. Just because we're reviewing all the things getting everything ready for or good enough in best practices, sort of existing stable cart and then we are eagerly anticipating how to dot to testing ability in order to make our job as containers on the charts refill.

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My key here, our idea is that you know we can automate all of the best thing that we do or most of the testing that we do as maintainer and really do kind of a code, review level review and merge things in, and everything gets a lot easier to high quality bar like we want to do it a little tougher.

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We kind of hit a little bit of growing pains over the last month of to just you know: rat-like see, charts now and lots of people using them and lots of people contributing which is especially awesome.

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We could use more maintainer that people do have extra time to kind of poke the charts and just give demora run through just see if it actually works, sometimes you'll see are submitted and don't actually work at all. Some have obvious wearing you know non best practice kinds of things. As you start there's to go through, the Mississippi Pacific goes out. I will be leaving for paternity leave at some point between now and in a week and a half, so we could use some someone to backfill for Vic, it's the best might expect, but it.

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Awesome excited for your baby watch, hi yeah, so I have a quick follow-up and or two so when, when it comes to chart, maintainer I know you're overwhelmed and we definitely need people at the health. So are you looking for looking at the current list of stable and incubator chart peers? Are you looking for a particular expertise in a particular gyming, so.

E

Not necessarily, we do have an awaiting review label. So basically we triage issues and we add awaiting review and that's when someone should take a look at it and if there's anything that needs changes, take a change. We add the soft that label out for the changes needed label, so we know not hit that and then we triage again just to see if people have actually updated them.

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But at this point really, if it be charged that interest you just go ahead and like jump, headfirst and just start reviewing, I wouldn't put any extra conditions on how you can help I can.

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End the best practices is that a jock, or is that included in the fee I that.

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Is in the CI and kind of in the issue that we have so we need to formalize that into a document ASAP. We have an issue with a long-running set of things that people contributed as hey. This is something that I've noticed people do, and it's not that great. So here's the alternative that we should apply. So we need to formalize that, hopefully, once we unveil yourself from the PRS, would you get that home Liza go ducks.

A

Awesome um and I think that was the last of my questions. Oh and since home test was mentioned twice, I should probably just give a quick update, I'm just getting through a refractor. The majority of the work is done. Just writing tests and making sure we're not putting a bad about piece of code in Masaka said so looking forward to completing that.

A

Okay, next up, think sick next up is composed. Does anybody here from the compose theme I didn't confirm so.

A

To take silence was it now I didn't get a confirmation back either: okay um Jamie! You want to give us an update on CNR sure.

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So if you're not familiar in our is the effort to try to formalize commonalities between Brittany's package managers, that includes right now, hellman k p.m. and when we basically have worked on a couple weeks is a helm. Plugin for book passage, that's written in Python and I just going to it in chat. They can check out a code with that. We have.

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A demo of that code being scheduled.

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For a 360, I guess- and we basically been discussing briefly to the operator energy for this plug-in.

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Convention is going to be difficult to.

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Go binary so it will change my choice.

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Then we have basically we've been working on internally at quarrel, app integration between the sparkle and quay e container industry, and that will be shipping in beta in like the next whole week and if you're interested in actually integrating like doing like a hellish or something like that to way to store your create packages as well. Just let us know I was we get beta access out to people who are interested and we can start like ironing out folks and securing album do X problems. We have yeah. There is no current.

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Right now, I guess drop me an email to be x, 40 mm, and then we have like a couple of open questions still so right now. We only have proof.

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Code and we'd like to actually have something written down.

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Like if we're going to write something down, we'd appreciate it from both sides, so it eliminates from the home team work like to volunteer to help us free a formal speck of weapons. Api is.

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Than just having go.

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That's about it so thanks Thanksgiving.

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Any questions on sienna.

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I think you have volunteers and tracks. Okay, awesome, Thank, You, Jimmy I gave our club.

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You guys all right, yeah, oh good, because my camera decided to quit today, so whatever so yeah with regard for the stuff we talked about previously for cig, apps, 1.6 work. Basically, those of us working on day's work flow also work closely with the home team. We've been trying to make that more formal we've been trying to help out the support over in the helm channel. Also cig apps, essentially I'm, just singing the praises of that Fisher.

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Here, who's been doing a lot of work there, and also long guys on the team has been working with Michelle to help with the helm test stuff, no pressure, no pressure and then, with regard to somewhere other goals. We've gotten some really good feedback from Cooper Nettie's users. We have a pretty good idea about how we want to take pieces of workflow and make them work, kuber, Nettie's native and maybe try throw them over the fence and the incubator. But it's still a really rough proof of concept.

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At this point, what we're making good progress on that as soon as we get some rated demo we're going to bring it to all you guys. First on one of these Monday mornings and we'll see what you think yeah, that's not all. I got the.

A

Awesome thanks famous that's worth now on app controller and I. You did a demo, but if you'd like to do anything else, you want to you're welcome to otherwise we can teach your demo. Is your astanga well.

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Yeah before I realize discomfort articles, and we also working on this life cases, are very like life pictures up on the propeller we like to see people together, nothing. We are loving more and more semester and abuse. You guys working on this highly regulation. We have to make more get more work done that much funding demo, but you have some problems with concentrate, goes at my client and some registration, exhausted physics care and so on. Yeah. None really! Let me share some.

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Some people go meeting on Thursday I'll hold up yeah and not play Kiki our Honda. Thank you very much. Thank.

A

You, okay, that could include stand up so since this is our first time doing this kind of this format I just want to clarify. We had a lot of fan of stay, and that was awesome, I'm so exciting to see all of these different projects, not just in Cuba many's but outside of Cuba Nettie's, have representation here in this particular group, so I love that we probably will stick to just having more frequent stand-ups from the current score team and then and that's not to discourage other projects from doing stand-up.

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It's just if you would rather just do stand-ups when you have big releases or have something like to share or working on something particular and want to share. You can do that. You don't have to feel obligated to do a stand-up every week or every other week, so I just want to clarify, and with that we still have 13 minutes. Does anybody have anything um to chat about.

A

Jamming, do you wanna if you want to open up a conversation on a mailing list for the cnrs yeah.

O

I'm, basically, an outstanding to do basically to either remove our current mailing list read or start a new one.

J

A

Ok, I think that's that's it for us, so the next meeting will be some demos followed by a longer conversation, so the one who stands and we'll just go into whatever discussion we want, which means we want to set it. We probably want to set a topic. So does anybody have a particular topic that they want to try out for next week? Next week's conversation, you silence, maybe I, didn't phrase that right.

A

Let's continue this conversation on a mailing thread, our mailing list, bread and the things that keep in mind is what is something that you want to have a longer conversation about that relates to managing and defining and running applications, and two varieties are Hotspur grannies all right with that. Thanks thanks everybody for your participation today see you next Monday.

B

Alright, bye, bye.

I