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A
Welcome
to
the
thursday
august
12th
meeting
of
the
azure
cloud
provider
sub
project
and
we're
part
of
the
cncf
kubernetes
community
and
governed
by
the
code
of
conduct,
so
let's
all
be
nice
to
each
other.
I
really
don't
think
that'll
be
enough
issue
with
this
crew.
I'm
very
happy
to
see
both
of
you.
A
Can
actually
be
there?
Okay,
cool
fantastic,
and
I
can
see
andrew's
there
too,
since
I'm
guessing
andrew
is
the
other
anonymous.
One
of
you
is
a
panda
and
the
other
one
is.
B
A
Okay,
so
there's
only
one
item
on
the
agenda
currently,
which
is
about
follow-up
from
the
set
of
emails
and
discussion
in
the
last
community
meeting
about
the
fact
that
I
have
now
moved
on
from
microsoft-
and
I
am
I
was
just
telling
andrew
I'm
doing
product
at
a
startup
called
blameless
in
the
sre
space
and
so
far
so
good.
I
had
my
first
like
value-added
idea
yesterday,
so
awesome.
A
A
A
I
was
starting
to
give
andrew
kind
of
a
history
of
how
the
meeting
got
to
where
it
is,
what
the
normal
is
and
elise
as
emeritus,
I'm
nominating
myself,
emeritus
co-lead
my
input
on
where
things
could
go,
and
so
I'll
spend
just
a
minute
doing
that
on
the
recordings
in
case.
Other
people
want
to
do
that,
so
this
meeting
has
bounced
around
over
time.
A
We
have
a
challenge
in
that
the
users
are
spread
all
over
the
world
and
the
core
engineering
team
that
do
the
vast
majority
of
contributions
are
in
china,
and
so
none
of
the
times
have
effectively
worked
for
getting
all
of
the
real
stakeholders
in
the
virtual
room
at
the
same
time,
and
that
means
that
requires
a
significant
amount
of
lift
to
share
information
effectively
between
the
different
kinds
of
stakeholders,
and
I
was
spread
to
them
to
effectively
do
that.
A
To
be
quite
frank,
so
I
wasn't
effectively
doing
that,
so
the
meaning
has
kind
of
languished.
A
I
we
went
from
having
not
friendly
to
north
to
north
america
or
europe
time
that
was
more
friendly
to
china,
meeting
to
alternating
between
the
two
times,
and
so
we
went
from
having
like
normally
about
three
people
or
four
people
show
up
to
having
one
maybe
show
up.
So
I
wouldn't
say
that
that
was
an
effective
change.
Also,
you
know
contributing
to.
That
was
the
fact
that
the
agenda
was
very
self-service.
You
know
I
would
post
the
agenda.
A
The
basically
the
only
person
who
would
put
agenda
items
on
there
was
myself
and
that
you
know
often
there
weren't
agenda
items
and
the
agreement
among
those
of
us
who
did
show
up
was
that
if
there
was
no
agenda
we
would
cancel.
So
all
that
being
said,
the
meeting
is
kind
of
languish.
A
The
slack
community
is,
I
wouldn't
say,
crazy,
active,
but
there's
a
lot
of
activity
there
and
there's
a
lot
of
community
helping
each
other,
so
that
seems
pretty
healthy,
azure
folks,
step
in
and
contribute,
and
so
there's
that
kind
of
thing
and
then
the
email,
alias,
is
extremely
dead,
like
nothing
really
shows
up
there,
and
in
fact
maybe
there
may
be.
A
If
I
remember
right,
there's
like
test
grid
automatic,
auto
email
notifications
end
up
getting
routed
there
or
something
so
people
probably
just
put
a
filter
on
it
and
don't
ever
look
at
it.
So
there's
a
number
of
things
that
could
be
done.
Andrew
was
suggesting
that
he's
trying
to
advocate
the
in
the
kubernetes
community.
Now
that
we're
at
kind
of
a
stable
point,
it
should
be
totally
fine
and
normal
for
there
not
to
be
a
regular,
recurring
community
meeting.
A
That's
one
option:
you
know
other
options
are
to
do
it
quarterly
or
monthly,
or
to
focus
entirely
on
fostering
the
community
where
they
are
in
slack
and
focus
on
events.
Things
like
that,
I'm
open
to
any
of
those
things
would
be
glad
to
support,
and
then
the
last
thing
I
think
to
say
is
that
there's
some
housekeeping
that
whoever
wants
to
step
in
and
kind
of
take
the
reins.
I
gather
from
the
email
that
both
of
you
would
be
happy
to
do
so,
and
I
think
that's
awesome.
A
I
think
co-leads
with
collaboration
would
be
great.
The
you
know
there's
some
housekeeping
like,
for
example,
stephen
augustus
is
still
listed
as
a
co-lead
and
I
think
he's
definitely
on
to
doing
other
things
and
not
including
this.
So
those
kinds
of
things
need
to
be
taken
care
of,
I
think,
that's
all.
I
want
my
brain
done.
B
Awesome
question
about
that.
Obviously,
I'm
sitting
here
looking
at
this
sig
cloud
provider,
azure
meeting
minutes
and
agenda
google
doc
with
the
sub
project
owners
that
need
to
be
updated.
However,
I
know
that
they
also
have
stuff
in
github
so
like
we
should
probably
update
whatever
all
of
the
sources
of
truth.
Are
we
also
probably
can't
unilaterally
pick
people
like
cncf
has
processes
right.
A
So
the
processes
for
picking
co-leads,
especially
on
sub-projects,
are
not
clearly
defined.
It
is
actually
sort
of
up
to
consensus
of
the
community
and
leads
to
informally
elect
or
choose
new
co-leads,
and
so
based
on
my
understanding
of
that
loose
process.
Each
project
essentially
has
its
own
sub
project
as
its
own
covenants.
B
Okay,
I
we
just
went
through
like
adding
somebody
to
the
helm,
core
organizer
maintainer
team,
with
a
very
relatively
compared
to
this
heavyweight
formal
process
with
voting,
and
we
had
to
go
look
up
exactly
what
the
two-thirds
majority
stuff
on
wikipedia
was,
and
you
know
all
that.
So
it
looks
like
we're
not
in
that
situation
here.
I
am
super
happy
to
have
andrew,
be
in
charge
of
stuff
and
me
support
him,
or
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
have
like,
for
example.
B
Currently
you
are
logged
in
as
sig
azure
craig
if
I
found
out
with
sig
network
that
if
there's
only
one
or
two
people
who
have
the
login,
you
end
up
with
a
meeting
that
can't
be
started
because
the
right
person's,
not
answering
so
like,
I
would
like
us
to
have
at
least
two
people
with
that.
You
know.
A
B
Key
is
not
enough
because
you
need
the
login
if
you're
going
to
go,
get
the
recordings
and
put
them
somewhere
so
yeah.
I
guess
I
want
to
hear
from
andrew
what
he
wants
from
me.
Tactically,
what
I
want
to
accomplish
here
is
get
the
zoom
login
info,
if
possible,
so
that
we
can
get
the
recordings
figure
out
where
the
recordings
go,
and
is
there
a
manual
upload
process,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
because
cncf
has
changed
that
a
couple
of
times
too.
A
B
At
least
two
different
workflows
that
I've
seen
and
it
has
to
do
with
whether
or
not
you've
been
converted
in
a
specific
way
and
anyway
we
can.
We
can
get
those
details
offline.
I
wanna
I
wanna
hear
from
andrew
honestly
like
what
he
feels
about
this.
What
he
wants
to
do
the
biggest
question
in
my
mind,
is
what
time
would
you
like
to
run
a
meeting?
Because,
honestly,
I
don't
think
we
should
have
a
meeting
that
is
confusing
enough,
that
people
don't
know
when
they
can
come
to
it.
D
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
I
think
I'll
start
with
just
being
like
transparent
with
like
motivations
and
like.
Why
do
I
care,
I
think,
they're
right
like
first
one?
D
Is
that
I've
been
co-chairing
like
the
cloud
provider
sig
for
a
while,
and
you
know
we're
doing
this
whole
like
migration
to
external
trying
to
get
cloud
providers
removed
from
kubernetes
to
make
it
like
really
vendor
neutral,
and
you
know
kind
of
agnostic,
and
so
you
know,
like
I,
I
kind
of
slice
up
my
time
to
be
involved
in
like
the
various
top
providers,
I'm
like
I'm
pretty
involved
in
the
aws
one
as
well,
and
so
I'm
trying
to
just
kind
of
make
sure
that,
like
every
provider
that
has
like
code
inside
core
kubernetes
is
like
you
know,
making
progress
on
the
whole
migration
construction
efforts.
D
So
that's
one
part.
The
second
part
is
that,
like
my
employer,
vmware
like
we
obviously
have
products
and
services
that
are
on
azure
right
like
and
we
have.
You
know
a
lot
of
involvement
in
like
cap
c
as
well
like
nader's
maintainer,
on
cassie
and
so
along
with
that
same
line
of
thinking.
We
also
want
to
be
more
involved
in
the
you
know,
the
actual
like
the
low
balancer
integration.
The
storage
integrations
like
all
that
stuff
on
azure
as
well,
and
so
that's
kind
of
how
like
nader-
and
I
were
like
hey.
D
We
should
you
know
if
they're
looking
for
folks
to
help,
even
if
it's
just
like
running
a
meeting
or
like
helping
triage,
definitely
open
to
helping
there.
I
I'm
not
particularly
too
opinionated
on
like
how
I
want
to
help
right
now
so,
like
yeah
like,
I,
don't
even
need
to
be
given
the
host
key,
I'm
cool
with
not
having
the
host
key,
I'm
cool
with
just
like
you
know,
helping
with
triage
just
being
in
the
meeting.
D
You
know
helping
go
through
issues
but,
of
course,
like
yeah
like
if
we
need
someone
who
has
the
host
key,
who
can
click
the
record
button
and
like
run
things,
that's
cool
too,
so
I'm
pretty
open
to
helping
wherever
the
gap
is.
B
Yeah
I
mean
if
we're
gonna
have
meetings
which
I
think
we
should.
I
think
a
minimum
is
like
one
meeting
a
month
at
a
time
that
works
for
you.
So
that
is,
I
guess.
An
action
item
is,
let's
find
a
time
that
at
least
works
for
the
two
of
us
and
we
can
have
conversations
and
then
what
we've
found
in
like
say
the
osm
project.
Is
we
every
once
in
a
while?
B
We
do
get
community
members
coming
in
and
often
we
don't,
but
we
get
a
bunch
of
views
on
the
videos,
and
so
then
it's
like
okay,
maybe
some
community
members
really
just
want
to
kind
of
people
want
to
learn
by
different
ways
right
like
sometimes
they
want
to
be
in
github
issues.
Sometimes
they
want
to
be
in
slack.
Sometimes
they
want
to
participate
in
a
meeting.
B
Sometimes
they
want
to
watch
videos
for
reasons
that
are
completely
unclear
to
me,
because,
honestly,
how
many
videos
of
any
kind
of
event
or
meeting
do
you
watch
after
the
fact
I
no,
but
apparently
people
do,
which
is
everyone
learns
different
ways
right,
okay,
so,
tactically
speaking,
because
I'm
always
like
down
to
tactics,
we
need
to
get
the
zoom
login
info
and
figure
out.
Where
recordings
go,
we
need
to
schedule
at
least
one
meeting
coming
up.
We
don't
even
have
to
commit
to
it
forever.
B
B
B
I
approve
of
issue
triage
but-
and
that's
kind
of
my
question
for
you
at
the
at
the
governing
like
sig,
is:
is
the
sig
cloud
provider
like?
Do
they
actually
expect
someone
in
the
meeting
every
time
who
can
commit
to
taking
the
issue?
Because
it's
like
I
mean
you
can
assign
it
to
me?
I'm
not
gonna.
Do
it
but
I'll
find
you.
Someone
is
that
kind
of
okay.
D
Okay
yeah,
so
so
two
parts
like
I
for
just
the
cloud
provider
said
triage
yeah
like
we're
really
just
looking
for,
like
any
of
these
issues
can
fall
into
one
of
the
cloud
providers.
So
if
some
like
in
the
past,
if
someone
from
azure
was
not
in
the
meeting,
we
would
just
assign
it
to
whoever
we
knew.
D
Yeah,
but
but
during
those
calls,
yeah
like
it's
similar
to
sick
network,
where
we're
really
just
looking
to
assign
in
triage,
I
think
or
specific,
to
like
this
project.
Triage
though
I
think
the
goal
and
motivation
is
a
little
different,
where,
unlike
network,
where
there's
like
a
huge
backlog
of
issues
that
need
to
be
fixed.
I
think
here
we're
more
looking
for
like
what
are
the
feature,
requests
and
issues
that
are
coming
up
on
github
that
are
stalling
because
we're
not
getting
enough
traction.
D
We're
not
talking
about
it
enough
and
we're
not
really
understanding
like
the
issues
and
like
then
prompt
those
issues
to
be
discussed
in
the
meaning
and
like
kind
of
backfill.
The
agenda.
That
way,
because
I
do
find
that
in
a
lot
of
projects,
you
can
find
tons
of
github
issues.
That
would
benefit
from
like
a
10-minute
chat,
right
and
so
like
that
would
be.
A
good
person
to
do
is
just
triage
and
find
what
are
the
discussions
happening?
Yes,.
B
B
Right
but
I
mean
I'm
not
saying,
say:
cloud
provider
time
is
going
to
change.
I'm
just
kind
of
curious.
This
kind
of
leads
me
to
the.
I
wonder
if
it
would
be
valuable
to
have
a
recurring
this
sub
project
meeting
at
a
time
that
that
team
can
join.
I
mean
yes,
we're
not
going
to
change
the
overall
sig
meeting,
but
if
we
can
have
this
meeting,
you
know
during
my
spouse's
guitar
lesson
on
monday
night,
which
is
when
the
you
know
chat
chatting.
B
I
was
doing
with
with
pancake
this
week
ended
up
being
like
you
know
what
I'm
saying,
I'm
kind
of
wondering:
what
time
is
that?
Typically,
it's
like
you
know,
monday
night,
8,
30
p.m,
eastern,
so
yeah.
What
time.
D
D
B
I'm
just
wondering
is
there:
I
know
that
craig
from
your
perspective
and
and
nader,
I'm
interested
in
your
perspective
too,
of
course,
but
craig
from
your
perspective,
is
there
a
good
reason
that
the
subproject
meeting
should
not
be
at
a
china-friendly
time
zone.
Since
the
cloud
provider
azure
in
general
will
not
or
sorry
the
cloud
provider
for
all
clouds
is
going
to
be
when
it
is.
But
like
is
there
a
reason?
The
sub-project
meeting
for
azure
shouldn't
be
at
a
china-friendly
time.
B
B
A
A
For
china
friendly
and
having
some
overlapped
with
folks
on
the
west
coast
yeah,
but
the
you
know
I
under-invested
in
gathering
more
interest
from
most
folks,
and
so
this
this
time
slot
ended
up
getting
very
little
attendance.
B
Okay,
so
you
join
a
discussion
in
progress
which
is
basically
us
just
kind
of
figuring
out.
The
logistics
of
craig
is
being
so
helpful
and
so
kind,
because,
honestly,
a
lot
of
times
when
people
peace
out
of
a
project
they're
like
good
luck
and
they
aren't
giving
this
much
handover
help.
So
I
really
appreciate
what
craig
is
doing
here,
but
we're
kind
of
trying
to
figure
out
like
tactically
speaking.
What
do
we
need
to
do?
We
need
to
get
the
zoom
login
info
figure
out
where
the
recordings
go
for
this
recording.
B
That
is
happening
right
now,
and
then
we
also
need
to
determine
what
our
very
next
move
is
in
terms
of
having
more
community
focused
meetings
like
this.
So
this
one,
of
course,
this
specific
one.
The
time
is
actually
not
awesome
for
me
just
because
it's
backed
up
right
against
the
helm,
call
that
I
also
run
but
the
having
something
europe
friendly
is
great.
B
If
we
have
people
in
europe
who
want
to
drive
it,
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
at
with
that
so
yeah
like
I'm,
not
I'm
not,
but
I
would
rather
make
sure
we're
having
if
we're
having
meetings
like
this,
I
would
rather
make
sure
we're
having
meetings
that
we
can
accomplish
something
at.
For
example,
the
issue
triage
andrew
was
talking
about
in
the
broader
club
provider
meeting,
which
is
not
a
chinese
friendly
china
friendly
time
zone.
B
C
Yeah
I'm
also
okay,
like
with
china.
It
would
be
late
for
me,
I
guess,
but
it's
like
it's
like
one
time,
so
I
would
be
okay
with
that,
just
to
make
it
fair
for,
like
the
china
folks,
because
I
know
a
lot
of
people
who
work
on
the
azure
one
are
from
china
as
well.
D
B
But
I
mean
that
happens
to
be
a
time
that
it's
certainly
not
going
to
make
anyone
in
our
household
sad
that
you
know
I'm
working
at
night
because
he's
trying
to
listen,
anyways,
okay,
so.
B
B
A
B
So
in
google
calendar
and
in
see
the
thing
with
google
is,
let
me
just
give
you
my
my
gmail
account.
I
have
a
g
suite
or
whatever
it's
called
now,
google,
the
bridgette
chromebook.org
one
won't
work.
Basically,
I
just
put
my
my
gmail
one
in
the
chat.
D
B
B
That's
what
I'm
proposing
that
unless,
since
we
don't
have
strong
evidence
right
now
that
there
are
people
in
europe
who
want
to
come
to
a
synchronous
meeting,
I'm
proposing
that
we
have
one
china,
china
friendly
meeting
per
month
and
then
take
it
from
there
and
see
if
it
makes
sense
to
ramp
it
back
up.
But
I'm
basing
this
on
craig's
perception
that
for
his
report,
that
there
were
not
many
people
using
the
synchronous
meeting
from
either
end.
So.
B
B
E
B
B
Okay,
so
if
I
feel
like
I've
been
doing
poor
more
of
the
talking
than
I
intended
to,
because
I
really
wanted
to
hear-
and
maybe
from
our
recent
knitter
joining,
can
you
tell
us
like
what
is
your
spin?
Since
I
don't
know
this
community
super?
Well,
are
you
also
at
vmware
or
like?
Where
do
you
work?
What
makes
you
interested
in
in
club
provider
azure.
C
C
So
that
would
be
interesting
to
get
more
into
like
the
azure
cloud
provider
since
it's
like
related
and
when
it
seemed
that
there's
like
a
need
for
more
people
to
work
on
that,
I
thought
it
would
make
sense
and
would
fit
with
the
other
work.
I'm
doing
awesome.
B
Okay,
so
you
were,
I
know
that
andrew
was
mentioning.
Andy
was
mentioning
that
he
thought
we
could
do
a
little
bit
more
with
issue
triage,
etc.
Is
a
good
next
step
for
us
to
have?
Maybe
the
two
of
you
take
a
look
through
any
open
issues
and
decide
whether
or
not
there's
anything
we
want
to
move
on
change.
C
Yeah
I
I
can
start
doing
that.
Looking
I
I
haven't
looked
before
the
dishes,
so
I
can
start.
Maybe
I
can
figure
out
a
time
with
andrew.
We
can
do
it
together
or
something
or
just
a
synchronously.
B
Okay,
all
right
so
you're
going
to
look
at
you.
Two
look
at
the
open
issues.
I'll
talk
to
craig
about
the
the
zoom
minutiae.
B
And
and
then
I'll
also
look
into
exactly
how
we
put
leadership
change
in
place
in
terms
of
who
is
going
to
actually
run
this
knitter.
Are
you
also
interested
in
that?
Are
you
interested
in
being
a
sid
club
provider
as
you're?
Like
you
know,
co-running
person,
the
main
requirement
would
be
every
once
in
a
while.
You
might
run
the
meeting
yourself.
C
B
A
Like
how
is
are
people
getting
the
help
they
need?
Is
there
feedback
that
should
be
getting
into
github?
That
is
not.
Is
there
interest
in
other
topics
that
aren't
being
addressed?
A
I
think
all
those
things
are
would
be
interesting
to
help.
Just
you
know,
foster
a
more
healthy
community,
and
I
guess
if
folks
are
there
that
want
european
friendly
time
we
could
direct
them
to
you
know
the
main
cloud
provider
meeting
yeah.
B
Because
that
one
definitely
is
more
european
friendly
andrew,
would
you
like
to
look
through
the
stuff,
that's
in
slack
now
and
determine
which,
if
any
of
it,
either
needs
to
be
represented,
github
and
or
perhaps
needs
to
be
talked
about
in
the
next
iteration
of
the
meeting.
D
Yeah,
like
I
think,
yeah
like
nato,
and
I
can
just
take
the
general
action
item
of
like
backfilling
the
agenda,
which
will
include
both
discussions
happening
on
slack
and
on
github
and
other
places,
but
yeah
I'll.
Take
that
too.
B
I'm
also
not
positive.
I
actually
got
all
the
invites
set
up
correctly.
This
is
the
problem
with
having
community
involvement.
That
happened
started
with
cncf
and
whatnot
long
before
my
current
email
address
is.
Lifespan
means
that
I'm
subscribed
to
tons
of
stuff.
In
my
personal
inbox,
which
is
like
all
my
cncs
stuff,
which
is
fine
except
it's,
then
things
are
not
as
discoverable.
A
So
something's
really
screwy,
because
the
I
see
the
next
instance
at
this
time
slot,
which
is
on
september
21st.
A
B
As
a
note,
next
meeting,
6
p.m,
pacific.
A
B
A
Okay,
so
on
the
calendar
that
I
probably
don't
have
permissions
to
do
that
you'll
probably
go
to
contr
sync
control
x.
To
get
permissions
on
that
calendar-
or
I
don't
know-
maybe
andrew
can
do
that
as
co-chair
of
the
sig
cloud
provider
calendar,
because
it's
on
that
calendar.
D
B
Yeah
there's
at
least
three
to
four
different
community
events.
I'm
involved
with
that
all
handle
it
different
ways.
It's
super
awesome,
but
we
all
agree.
Our
next
meeting
is
6pm
pacific
at
9,
00
pm
eastern
on
monday
august
23rd.
B
D
And
just
adding
to
what
correct
said
like
I,
I
think
if
we
were
to
just
cancel
and
recreate
the
event,
I
think
that
would
also
trigger,
like
a
wider
notification
out
to
people
I'd
like
to
climb
the
event
previously
so
yeah.
Maybe
that
is
a
good
idea
to
get
some
traction.
B
B
A
Yeah,
so
just
just
signal
me
on
slack
and
I
will
give.
B
B
A
And
my
computer
is
doing
weird
things:
I'm
already
doing
each
of
these
actions
in
slack.
So
look
for
those
notes,
fantastic.