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A

And you're live go ahead. All.

B

Right, hi, everyone welcome to April's edition I, can't believe it's April already meet our contributors. I am Paris I work at Google on kubernetes community. We have a few contributors here with us today to answer any upstream, related questions that you have. That could include. What's your favorite color all the way to, why is my test? Failing so really anything in between first we're gonna do a little bit of intros and then we're gonna get right into it.

B

If you are watching this and have a question you can either address those in the meet or contributors slack channel, the same name or I will.

A

Be direct on Twitter intermittently.

B

With the hashtag of k8s MOC for kubernetes meet our contributors. Also, if you have any anonymous, questions feel free to send them to me directly on a DM in chat. I do get those frequently and that's totally okay, and then we will start with introductions Adam. Why don't you start with just a brief intro yourself? Maybe what stinks that you're involved with and how you got to start contributing extremely kubernetes.

C

Absolutely hey everyone, my subsidies, Allah and with IBM, so I'm doing open source in general for for, like five years now and humanities in particular, for about a year now, I am actually contributing to contributor experience. Special interest group and issue triage within Cuba Nettie's I started with communities and I gotta be honest here because of you know: I work at IBM, so you know, I was when I said, I'm doing open source for five years, I started with OpenStack in 2013.

C

You know OpenStack oasis tasks, you know so, as you know, IBM is you know, interest in open source communities right a big time and we moved with coupon IDs and that's where I move to keeping these as well. Allow the community, it's great community, very pleased to be a contributor here.

B

And we are pleased to have you sign up thanks so much for your help and contributor experience Chris. Do you want to give a brief introduction about.

D

Yourselves cook, my name is Chris love, I worked for a company by the name of CNN consulting when working with kubernetes. For goodness, almost two years now, one of my claims to fame is I, contributed Java code to the kubernetes main project. There used to be a Cassandra seed provider within the examples, and that was actually some of the first code that I touched, which is kind of scary.

D

When you say you work on Java code and we worked on kubernetes since then, I moved on to helping out with cops, which is one of the installers that kubernetes hosted hosts worked with see AWS I work with sequence rebukes, most recently, I've actually been monkeying around with our tests or Ed fantastic. We've got a che testing up and going with AWS someone working on getting H a control plane going on with GCE, so glad to be here. Baris thanks for having me yes,.

B

Thanks and this series is a part of our mentoring program, of which Chris is a part of- we are doing a group cohort together, where we graduate individuals into the next level and next level would be levels on our contributor ladder. That would be member approver, reviewer and maintainer thanks Chris for all your help with that and then last but not least, Jorge Castro, when our ones and twos ones and twos being YouTube yeah.

A

Hi I'm Jorge, mostly here I'm, making sure that the live stream works. Well, so hello.

C

A

The 12 of you watching live into the hundred.

E

A

It's interesting as the session goes on. The number always always raises so I'm I'm interested in seeing if we can catch them and.

B

Also for those listening and watching, we will have enough our session this afternoon. That's the u.s. friendly time zone. This is our amia friendly time zone. So let's get right into the questions.

B

Our first question came from Teague on flack and it looks like Teague's actually interested in developer relations, specifically maybe even for kubernetes. But the question is what steps can I take to become a developer advocate and for any open? Let's say for any open source technology, the more he reads about it, the more it sounds like something that he really wants to get into. It looks like he made also made a career change possibly two years ago into maybe an engineering I know, I have a comment for this thought of.

B

Maybe you might does anybody else? Have any comments or how someone opinion into kubernetes 204 relations or advocacy.

C

Absolutely I can I can brief on that question. So I mean first, you know it's a I, think a great thinking right there right people, it is developer advocacy.

C

You know so many things and I think the question also sort of consider open source in general communities in particular right I. Think the last few years I've been saying: lots and lots, lots and lots of focus and open source right Kuban. It is in last two to three years. You know it's it's. It became a de facto platform for continued orchestration.

C

So much sort of you know a demand in scale in areas like developer, advocacy right, like I, said earlier, it's a great community for you to be developer, advocate I would highly recommend you know right and contributing as well. I think that's the best way to learn about cuban. It is right so many sources and in paris and others here can can point to so many resources as well, but I would say, start learning communities. There are several different repositories. You know cuban.

C

It is website repository on github, great four user communities community website a great resource. If you want to start contributing to communities and see now how the the flow works there right, you know, what's the sort of cool request, workflow was the issue lifecycle you know and Kuban is to Mary's repo. Although all the base coats are there and in there are all like, you know, 50 repositories under keeping it is github repo, so I, you know, as you start learning one of the other things with the diadochi CI I would highly recommend.

C

Is you know finding a local meetup, for example, right I've been seeing lots of local meetup groups in different cities? So I would say you know, find a local meetup groups attend it regularly. Typically, they meet every month, attendees and start sort of taking ownership of like a presentation topics right. You know, as you learn more as you do more right, you know. Do some viewer sees develop an app, you know, make sure you know it works with. You know, like micro services, you know, continuous application works great with Cuban.

C

It is right and then sort of showcase it to the people right and that's what I would say. You start getting recognition as an asn't like a developer advocate around Cuban. It is ecosystem and and I think that probably is the way to start there.

B

Excuse me I think you actually made a great point about meetups if folks are really interested in getting into developer advocacy in relations. I think the best foundational way is to start putting yourself out there through meetups at the local level. It's a great way to get exposure to get to get talk, experience, I, think, writing. Reading or excuse me. Writing speaking and building stuff are kind of the three key things for developer advocacy and, of course, teaching. So even doing videos like YouTube videos are also another great way to start writing.

B

Blog posts is a great way to start about teaching folks how to do things it really just like I'm putting yourself out there to be. That advocate would be awesome and a great way to start and that's how people gain followers. You gain certain knowledge that way as well, so I think all those are really great stepping stones, Chris or George. You have anything bad yeah.

A

I, just just want to add something real, quick, remember to approach it holistically. Something I've learned as well is people might tell you hey? Can you explain to my coworkers or something you know about kubernetes and whatnot and by the time you're done talking, you're talking about pipelines and a whole bunch of other DevOps related stuff? So it's kubernetes is the tool.

A

I think that people will use to implement a lot of the things that they want, but be ready to not talk about kubernetes at all and just kind of using kubernetes is like a means to the end to get there with where they want to be so just just something to look out for right, yeah and.

B

Team Teague's follow-up is so it's not necessarily a job. You apply to you, but you have to get your name out there by being a contributor of hosting blog posts, etc. I mean it is technique.

B

There are jobs available that you apply to that are developer advocates, but in order to get those jobs, there's usually a prerequisite of doing some similar work like that before and I think the best way to do it is like what George is saying, which is bring it in-house, maybe and teach your current staff those things and build, build that in-house first and then you gain the experience and then, of course, you can apply to jobs that are like telegraphic is see in developer relations externally or even I've.

B

Seen a lot of engineers who have built developer, advocacy roles in their own organizations just by doing this stuff improving how proving how how much this position is worth, which is a lot, so anybody else have anything that they wanted to touch there.

D

One, the CNC F does has an ambassador's program.

E

D

Is my opinion, one of the things that CN CF does really well, but again it's you need to get established in community. You need to be speaking at meetups and kind of need to build a brand and look at it that way in terms of marketing, but your marketing to help the community and then there's an application process for that with the CNC F. So we gotta just reiterate what people said. The best thing to do is to speak at local meetups. There are always local meetups are constantly looking for new speakers.

D

You know koukin, it's a whole other ball of wax to get accepted into so don't feel bad if you miss out on that one, but local meetups are super easy to get into to talk. You.

C

Know I would add one more point. You know the fantastic thing about open source right projects, big scale project like Cuban at ease and other projects. You know everything you do is it's sort of. You know easy for people to access about what you've been doing right. So you know we'll you'll, get a profile right and and other things which block was like paste mention everything is it's sort of available for folks to take a look anytime?

C

They want you don't have to really do one on one sort of resume exchange there or you know anything like that right. So building the public profile is it's also important. Yeah.

B

Exactly and looks like T's just finishing up this conversation and saying that this is all good information and that his class in full time schedule is already quite a bit, which is also another good point: don't burn yourself out with developer advocacy.

B

We definitely I think all of us on this line definitely tend to take this as both a job and a hobby, and that can definitely lead to her help. So those listening, please self care and the developer advocacy world a wide open source in general. Alright, thanks for that question t alright, let's go to the next one, all right next, one in slack. How can they start contributing to the new node network, sign of kubernetes, something that they can start helping with if they're pointed to start contributing?

B

What they've seen is that picking up the first issue is the hardest part of the whole process. How can I start getting those first easy to start with issues I've been pointed to check out Help Wanted, but honestly, those are not the easiest to fix just quick update there. We are implementing a good first time issue label, but that is in the process, so definitely hold for that and don't necessarily hold up your contribution process for that either.

B

But that's just for the general general mass that we have heard this as an issue and yes, we are fixing that or help one. It is generally geared towards experienced contributors and those that have a lot of experience with those issues. So, yes, we've heard you loud and clear, but contributors on the line. How can what are some other tips that you can give this individual, especially if you know anything about the node networking side of the house.

C

I can I can tick down here. You can go first, so a few things right as a new contributor. If you're looking for your your Sorokin first issue to work in any particular domain, right, networking or something else, the first thing I would say if you are totally new, you know I mean, even though your interest is networking which that's where even a grow yourself. You know you can employ lots of how to community take a look at any issues as well right.

C

So one of the things you know because I work on issue tree outside I found looking at the issues in general. You know, if you go to the Cuban is Cuban. Is people look at the issues tons of issues right? There is no sort of scarcity of issues there, which is good. We have people, you know finding issues work as the acumen is more and more. Is you just take a quick look at issues right, not necessarily a like pasted community is working on it, but not necessarily.

C

You know you really really have a label on it which sort of a first-time contributors can take a look at it. But, as you take a look to the issues in general, you'll find issues that oh yeah, this looks easier right. This looks easy to start, I can just go ahead and- and you know, provide create like a PR for and that you know any any like I said any, even not Network networking specific issue. It will give you a good idea about the PR workflow right.

C

You know about the get, get work for right, get up, updates and networking. You know we have labels right for everything as its own labels. So for networking there's a you know: Cigna Network label out there.

C

You know there is a label tab right, get the next to that issue search the page, and you know looking at a particular labels. You can find all the issues related to networking there again, not necessarily something is label as in for a new contributor, but you know just take a look right and and just by looking at issues in general, you will educate yourself a lot and find the one which you think he I can just go ahead and quite a fix and just one quick tip there as well.

C

Don't be afraid that hey this doesn't say you you know whatever fitness, you thinking you it's the racket fix. You know, provide that fix right here to PR, and you know that's where you gonna get help from reviewers as well right. We are so fortunate. You know, based on my own experience, the reviews are great. They provide lots of Hell. You know if your fix doesn't make sense. They actually help to to to to you know to write the fix-it as in for the new contributors right. So that's that's. Nothing great way to start with.

B

My voice today, it's not great Chris, did you have anything to add to that which.

F

I dropped out so hopefully I don't do it? Okay, you do. That might mean. That's a it's a good point.

D

The big thing is for me is: it is go to attend this. The special interest groups means just to ensure that everybody knows what a special interest group that's watching this is. We have community of community meetings that are geared around specific groups that own different aspects of kubernetes we mentioned. Sig contributes and we have like. We have like 70 ish, now Paris, it's where we're it's it's snowballing. Oh we're. Definitely we're not that high! Yet.

B

I think we are at 3800 yeah. It seems like 600. It really does, especially with mailing lists and slack, and everything like that. So definitely hear your point there, but.

D

Bank United aggress with you mentioned node, and you mentioned network. Those are two separate special interest groups. Both of those will have leads. You can definitely reach out to leads. They are busy just let you know, but you can reach out and say hey there, any issues that need to be triage. Are there any PRS that are pretty easy that need to be fixed? You have any recommendations for that. The other thing that always needs a little TLC s or is our testing.

D

So, if you're able able to dig in and add more unit tests, if you're able to dig in and add more in 10 testing for networking, you know for networking specifically I know that there's no, you know we're probably lacking on load testing. I might be wrong, but you know just going through and working on Act, it's not the most glamorous work, but it's the work that needs to be done also new features.

D

Most people tend to want to add some special new feature to kubernetes, there's actually specific processes for that, and it's typically not the best place to tiptoe into as a new contributor but glad you're. Here you know reach out to paris if you're interested in the mentorship program as well since you're our new contributor and keep on plugging away I understand it's a big community, but a great question.

B

I think another tip to is start with docks of the area that you're interested in. So in this case, no two network both have related docks and the dock loads. New contributors loves folks, helping out and poking holes and inducks and filling in those blanks, and that's really a great way to get to know that community, as well as the the area of interest that you're trying to jump into I, know a lot of people that have come through the docks contribution gateway.

B

If you will and it seems to be a really great, successful, ramp and launch up because then it's like you know what Chris and sound ever mentioning you get to meet people you get to see who is in like chair and then leadership and technical Dean type of roles, and it really helps you get acclimated and makes people feel a little bit more comfortable. So I think Docs is a great way thanks.

E

For that question, I.

A

I wanted to add a quick thing: yeah, don't just attend the meetings, so everyone who attends the meetings hates taking notes, but if you really want to understand something, because if you attend meeting, you tend to kind of glaze over or maybe you'll open a browser and look up other things.

A

But if you take notes, it forces you to pay attention and it really helps you understand what they're talking about as you try to figure out how to write down what they just said, and one of the great things is most things are always struggling to find a note-taker and things like that and people automatically like really appreciate it right. So, if you're like hey I, could take notes for the next 3-4 meetings or whatever you know you would immediately. You know people will immediately be like oh okay.

A

This person, like is already helping out and they'll. Remember that and getting those notes important, because not everyone can attend the live meetings or watch the videos about publishing those notes for the communities like really important. So it's like an important thing that a lot of people overlook. It's like I find that it's a good way to force myself to understand what they're talking about as opposed to just glazing it over and it's hard. But it's it's a lot of fun. I. Definitely.

B

Good for you George thanks for bringing that up all right and then, let's see, several people are looking in the chat. But there is a question queued up in my DM looks like they also asked this in commodities devlog channel as well. For those that don't know, kubernetes dev is the upstream channel on slack, so hey folks, I'm trying to run code gen for my CRD, where some of the types are from third-party vendor ashore. In this case, I'd like to avoid duplicating them, but code gen doesn't seem to recursively deep copy.

B

The Strunk outside of my package is anyone having the same problem and curious as to what thoughts are here. This is possibly a Chris local one, a.

D

Possibly API machinery question actually so I do not have in-depth understanding of the how exactly this drug should be copied across. But what I recommend doing is asking that channel on the cig, API machinery or asking a same question on the C API machinery as well as you can it's definitely appropriate for you to put a question like that on the agenda, because it sounds like something that should be documented but yeah. That's a great question. Unfortunately, don't have an answer for it.

C

Again, yeah to what Chris said right, you know if you, if you ask question the main list- and you know if you didn't get reply right, it can happen because of the you know, there are so many mails out there right. You know I mean not that people don't respond, but many times it just get buried under the pile of emails in asking on the seek or I would say like we say you know putting in the agenda right.

C

That will force people to take a look being that that's sig meeting just put in the agenda you know and and unless there's a you know too many items, is that particular meeting inside typically, we always have a sig meetings where we cover pretty much all the agenda right. So that would be sort of you know a quick way of getting someone's attention there.

E

B

Cool and then there is a another question, this one looks like any other conferences that we would suggest outside of cube, con I guess for this industry as a student, they still get. They get pretty heavily discounted registration fees, so they wanted to take advantage of that.

B

Any conferences that you would suggest outside of cubic on I've.

F

Got I've got so many I, never Chris. You want to start yeah.

C

Well, I mean so yeah. There are so many countries out there right. So if your interest is on the Cuban edits right, you know like, like we said earlier, started the meet up right, that that's free you're, not gonna, use your discount there. So that's all granted access, but Q cons are those two coupons. Are you know? Those are the two flagship conferences for the project right, you know, so you definitely want to use our discount there. Other conferences, I, would say Linux Foundation, the CN CF foundation has its.

C

You know it's a list of conferences right. You know many times it's it's! It's like you know, Cuban. It is for for, like a East Zone, for example, right something is happening covering only particular good stuff. You know country or you know, in like a particular country, right continent like something you know in Europe right that is more focused. Just for the you know, small scale or mid scale level, so I would say. Look at the CN CF conferences out there right clinics foundation conference there.

C

If you are interested, thank you, manatees all other ciencia projects, right Prometheus, you know fluent EE. You know all the other projects they.

A

Are very related right.

C

People, you know you might be using one of them. There are those project, specific conferences out there as well right at small scale, so those are good to attend as well. You know so yeah, there's bunch whole last lists of conferences here and Chris. Do you have any conference suggestions, I.

D

Actually, strangely I don't attend a lot of conferences. Okay, I wouldn't be the one to ask not that I don't enjoy them.

B

Well, I think for our industry, they're the like, what's thought I'd mentioned Linux Foundation I think they have 20-plus at this point. Some of some of their highlights I think are open-source summit, which has a ton of kubernetes topics. Now you'll see a lot of kubernetes topics at almost every Linux Foundation event at this point and I know that they do have discounts for students.

B

The larger conferences are most likely going to going out discounts, but some other conferences that you might want to think about that might even not have student discounts are like DevOps days. There are tons of DevOps days all over the world they're smaller a little bit more intimate have some very good technical content that flows through and I'm pretty sure. There's one in Pittsburgh, where you're located and several others on the East Coast there's also dr.

B

Khan, which I don't know if they have a student discount but I'm sure they have some kind of arrangement that you could work out. But that would be a premier conference for the container industry. Let's see what else Oz con any O'reilly conferences actually probably have student discounts, and so that's as con. That's velocity, there's also shriek on now. I think shriek on actually already is finished, which is site, reliability, engineering, which of course has a lot of kubernetes topics as well.

B

So yeah any of the the larger conferences will probably cater that, but I just wanted to make the little caveat definitely check out some of those smaller conferences that are that are homegrown to you, especially. This is also coming from the individual that was interested in developer advocacy in relations, but some of those smaller conferences will actually make it you more ahead of your career goals and George. What did you to answer?

B

A

I was gonna, say, I, really, love the community run conferences, especially if your student, um they could be relatively cheap to get into so a conference like scale um and it's at devops days. If usually one thing you could do is one thing I'd like to do when I was younger and I couldn't afford to go to any conferences is volunteer to help plan like a DevOps days or something like that, and then you will naturally start to be involved more in your local community and get to know people who know the stuff.

A

Well, so you know I know some of them. Do hey I'll help run a workshop or whatever you know, can I get a ticket or something I'm a student. You know things like that: Dodson.

B

Dad's definitely a great point to definitely volunteer I, know a lot of students and my past life too volunteered for free tickets uh-huh. If you almost feel like a music festival like we are to music as I would never thought a conference is someone said in the chat to go for con, which is also an awesome conference, and yes, the projects built on goal line, so that makes perfect sense.

B

It's also scale which George just mentioned, which is a great small, smaller show in a in a California and looks like questions are coming in and no question just comments all right contributors. You have any questions for each other.

B

I'll actually I actually like this last the last time we actually had some really great questions for each other.

B

C

Can share anything you want to share. You know all.

B

Right, I'm gonna start fishing, some questions from other channels, so I want a second, let's see.

E

I, don't see any more questions, so we might actually wrap this early.

E

Let's see here, I'm checking Twitter now.

B

Last call for coop a last call for questions as well put on. Let me get that into the channel in the meantime. What's a what's a good tip to learn about testing Chris, because I know earlier, you were talking about dating into testing and, if folks are unsure of our testing infra or say like a test is flaking and they have no idea what's going on. What are some tips that you can give folks from the testing side of the house and trying to figure that out right.

D

So unfortunately, I'll, how do I know our current testing documentation? That's under community needs some TLC because it refers to say a little bit old, so there's been a migration of the testing code out of Korea new Burnette ease into kubernetes, slash, test, infra and primarily with so there's two different types of tests and the tests I'm talking about with test infra or into end tests. Let me say a small bit of what the heck that actually is because I don't know.

D

If most people are watching this well I should know we have a full set of. Not only do we run unit tests, but when we have a PR that comes into a project like cou Bernays, the primary project or like cops a career neighs cluster spun up and we run a full battery of tests against the kubernetes cluster with we've been migrating all of the infrastructure that runs that that process out of the main turbines, repo and Tess infra. There's a program called coop test there and there's actually a folder called Kontest.

D

That's a really good place to start. Typically, it's going to require that you have a cloud account such as AWS or GC, and ask questions file issues test. The testing folks are really good about responding back to issues and interacting you can definitely reach out and ask on those just from unit tests, though you know you can look at like gentleman, was interested in no testing and and that work. You can look at the coverage of the code and you can just tell okay look. We should maybe have a couple more unit tests here.

D

Look at where those are flakes are an interesting thing. So it's actually a word. That means that a end-to-end tests fails not an in, but it fails because of say another test is running alongside it, and the two and two tests interfere and clash. So if you rerun the full end-to-end test suite, it then passes hen's. It's a flight tracking, now flakes definitely again reach out to the test. There's two different testing channels. You can ask okay.

D

Is this a note of flake search through the issues because typically flakes are listed and then try to determine if you figure out, what's going on with that, yeah.

A

D

Working on getting the control plane up and running with h.a testing, so that's a whole new area that we don't have much testing behind, meaning that we have three notes in the control plane rather than one, which means we're running a che at CD, as well as all the other components in the system raj. So you know we don't have any testing currently around that area. Alright,.

B

And then, to follow up questions for you, Chris one, what is TLC they someone and they you mentioned, that very.

F

B

Care needs some work on it, yes, tender love and care, and then someone else pen, another follow-up question about testing. How would one conduct performance testing on a disturbed environment? I, wonder if they mean I was like I wonder if they mean distributed.

F

Were often disturbed as developers.

F

C

A distributed disturbance there.

D

We go so on a distributed environment. That's so there's a low, so it's kind of like fishing. So in my mind, there's low testing and then there's darn lies.

D

So if you are attempting to do load testing on a cloud environment, there's usually too many variables involved and in splittin, specifically, the cloud provider may see that you're doing low testing on their environment and start putting in limits out of the blue on you. So what you want to do is create an environment that you're, like is the best thing that I've found is to do almost an a/b type testing in a production environment.

D

So, if you're rolling out, say a new system, get it into a heavily used environment, that's already going nice thing about kubernetes is that you can actually not kill production and still run tests and production because of the distributed fashion. That's often a really good good way to do it with now, if you're on bare metal, that's a whole other game, because you have specific control of your environment, we do have a couple of low tests under add on under one of the projects.

D

If I remember, where we're trying to do a million transactions per second with kubernetes but yeah, it's it's not that that question is not something that the question you just asked is isn't is nothing but trivial. It's actually a very complicated question that we could talk about two hours on and first though, you don't have that much time.

B

Is it important to find the break point of the system.

D

You want to take that one or you want me.

D

Is it important to find the break point of the system? I think I get what you mean, in other words, is important to find where the system breaks and where it breaks down the interesting thing about load testing is a system will often break in different and unusual ways, and you don't necessarily know what the root causes so I would say it's more important to ensure to understand when your system gets finicky, in other words, when the system tends to break under what amount of load rather than the impetus of what's breaking it.

D

Now, if you can continually reproduce, okay, controller, X, constantly fails or I have a control plane spiked at this. At this point, then, that's great, but don't expect that within a testing a distributive system here and get that, from my perspective, you're going to find out okay at this many transactions per second, you know between you know, sixty to eighty percent of my love.

D

My system is gonna, get it a bit finicky and then start having issues so I've had challenges where you start running low tests and it starts failing in five different ways, but at least consistently around a certain part of volume. It'll circumferences failings.

B

Never George anybody have anything to add to that silence me.

C

Yeah well only thing I had is I would Aires on top of my head, but I think we do have some benchmark taste in storing those benchmarks, possibly a good idea to to sort of get familiar with the load test right.

C

So I think it's a it's it's. It should be easy to find out it's somewhere in the documentation as well. So just searching for those benchmark should should give a good. This was find.

E

Them awesome all right, no more questions, but I actually have two for the crew.

B

First question is: what is one bit of information that you wished all new contributors new and then the second follow-up question to that is one. What is one bit of information that you wish? Current contributors knew maybe things that may be things that are hidden away in Docs or things that don't get enough attention.

B

What are two bits of advice, one for a new contributor and one for a current contributor that you could give today on a Wednesday, so never Chris just should win it. Whoever wants your first shout it out. Yeah.

C

I can take you on this Chris wanna go first, oh yeah.

D

Time to think about my answer.

C

Seraphin it gives me that quick, unloading myself right as I was thinking so no part of so for new contributors right I. Think I would say briefly. Like you know, this is a great project. You know you've made a right decision if you are going to contribute to communities. It's very rewarding point. You know personally professionally. So this is great one thing, I would HIGHLY sort of recommend. Is you know it's always. You know good to do things you like to do right.

C

So, if you're interested in doing something particular that's great right, um that's we all get motivated by doing this, but also also keep an eye right as you get familiar with the project as you attend some of these meetings, we're probably initially you just gonna in a listening mood right, you can at least know what's going on I, you know, I would highly recommend you attend Thursday's community cause as a new contributor tons of information.

C

You know what's going on in the community right and in a related point, which I would say is you know, try to provide help? Well, it's needed right. So community calls are one of the cause where you find out like hey. These are the areas where we need help. So, whether you know you, that's not your domain right still. You you gonna, provide some help, regardless, whether it's a issue triaging, whether it's a documentation, fixes right, not always writing code right but doing things were committee needs help it's it's great for the community.

C

You know people have a you know you, you develop a great respect from the community right from from from these active contributors. They.

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C

What you're doing so, you know and you make friends right and which is great way to grow in the community. Okay,.

B

That's a good one: I did not, you know, I, don't I, don't advocate for the community meeting as hard as I should and that's actually a great a great point.

F

Yeah absolutely absolutely.

C

And for the current contributors right I mean you know the current contributors I think they are the one keeping the community running right: lots of computer in hundreds, thousands of them around the world. Lots of them are in a way way more experienced than me. You know, they're doing the right thing, they're doing lots of thing the community needs. You know what kind of contributors one of the thing I would I would say. If it's one thing in a while, II contribute, you know, writing code, doing fixes right or creating new features.

C

You know do spend time on on on improving the processes right. You know, one of the place is country backs right where we.

C

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So you had a little bit I think Internet drop a.

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Little bit yeah just for people when, in the last 30 seconds.

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B

Actually, might one might want to kill your video at this point? Didn't you know I.

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You know I think you dropped yeah.

F

Trying to kill your excess, more engineer.

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F

You have for contributors eyes in a.

E

While you contribute.

C

You know be part of this discussion to improve the existing processes right. If you don't like something, you know sort of discuss with the folks out there. You know for particular SIG's, just in general, you know to improve contributor experience right and would actually improve your experience as you go forward with the further contributions.

C

So that's my yeah.

B

C

To small sort of you know, advice is there well.

B

You know you know: I love the contributor experienced along the selfish and Chris. What's so, what are your two nuggets of wisdom for both new contributors.

F

And current contributors so.

D

Go peruse, slash community I know this is a one of the things that were working on in terms of contributor experience, but the information that's under slash community and all the documents will help you like spend half a day reading through all of it and you'll be a lot better for including community membership sign up process. Everybody asks, oh, where the heck's that document and get an understanding.

D

If you want to get involved in community, you can set some goals in terms of around that I'm gonna plug the mentorship program again, because I think that has that we've got a lot of potential to help out the community and do something that's kind of so kubernetes has done some pretty cool stuff for the open source. Community I'd say it's revolutionary I'm hoping to do dis, exciting stuff with through mentorship program in terms of making a scalable mentorship program. So Paris is a main contact for that.

D

If you have any questions about that for current contributors, I'm kind of pondering it I'll go back to one of the things that we talked about in the Leadership Conference last year.

D

Let's focus on stability every be mindful of every piece of code that you put in every new feature because we're getting the point with the system where it does amazing things. But let's all be mindful of stability of the system and of kind of you know. Don't worry so much about your current features and the new features that you want to get in. But let's ensure that the system is just rock-solid and I know.

D

People are being when full of that and focusing on that at this point, but in terms of where we're at as a community I think that has a lot of importance right.

B

Good good thanks guys, George any last words from from the man behind the screen. No.

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Mostly I'm just listening in great points.

B

Yes and this this live stream. Everyone is actually a part of our mentoring program. It's not traditional and that's the point. These are your mentors on demand. Consider them as such. That's why it's an open forum, that's why we are totally accepting what's your favorite color, because sometimes you might want to know what your metros favorite color is and anything in between there that we can help out with. We would love to help so that wraps today's edition of meet our contributors.

B

Actually not today, is this timezones meet our contributors, just a quick thanks to everyone that asked questions, it's ROG, he G, Grover, etc, etc. All from the slack, Channel and, of course, huge things to sort of and Chris for joining us this morning and taking time out of their day to answer a random questions and, of course, thanks to George for spinning us up on YouTube, alright and that kicks things off for the day. Here, thanks so much.

B

Thank you. Thank you. Everyone hi everybody.