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A
Okay,
so
let's
start
hello,
everyone.
This
is
the
community
class
lifecycle
just
api
office
hours
on
the
16th
of
february.
We
are
writing
to
the
cncf
contract,
so
please
be
nice
to
each
other.
If
you
want
to
talk,
please
use
the
racehands
feature.
A
If
you
have
anything,
you
want
to
talk
about
just
edit
to
the
bottom
of
the
channel.
If
you
don't
have
access
to
that
document,
you
can
join
the
stick.
Cluster
lifecycle,
mailing
list,
which
is
here,
but
you
can
just
google
it.
A
So
let
me
see
if
I
forget
anything.
Yeah
last
point
yeah.
You
can
add
yourself
here
to
that
handy
list
if
you
want
to
good.
So
let's
start.
A
Yeah
first
point
open
proposes
readout.
So
apart
from,
I
think
we
have
one
of
those
topics
already
down
in
the
agenda.
But
does
anyone
want
to
talk
about
any
of
those
proposals.
B
B
Thanks,
I
just
want
to
mention
on
the
machine
pool
machines,
we're
still
obviously
looking
for
any
feedback.
Anybody
has
this
week.
Jonathan
tong
pushed
a
few
fixes
to
the
proof
of
concept.
Docker
implementation,
and
I
also
put
out
a
poll
request
for
cluster
auto
scaler,
that
supports
machine
pull
machines
behind
a
feature
flag.
So
hopefully
those
make
it
clearer.
If
you
want
to
look
at
the
pr's
as
well.
A
C
So
hi
everyone,
first
of
all,
I
apologize
if
I
ever
put
too
many
topic
in
agenda,
but
yeah
that
was,
on
my
mind,
feel
free
to
move
them
down
or
postpone
to
that
week.
So
first
one
is
really
short.
I
would
like
to
thank
you,
russia
and
yuvaraji,
for
submitting
a
csp
about
cluster
api
for
the
cluster
for
the
maintainer
track
at
the
next
cooper
con.
So
thank
you
very
much.
C
Yep,
okay,
okay,
so
this
is
a
quick
summary
about
yesterday's
discussion
about
crs
or
dawn's
sirens
and
addons.
The
meeting
minutes
about
this
meeting
are
down
in
in
the
same
dock,
and
also
the
link
to
the
recording
you
can
find
it
just
down
these
meeting
notes
and
tltr
is-
is
that
there
is
a
general
agreement
that
cluster
api
should
not
invest
too
much
in
advance
management.
C
Instead,
we
should
make
caster
api
user
capable
to
somehow
to
rely
on
the
tools
that
that
they
they
like
and
they
are
using
for
everything
like
elm
k,
up
or
argo
cd
or
whatever.
So
we
should
not
reinvent
they
they
will.
C
This
is
the
general
agreement
and
the
the
key
point
is
that,
in
order
to
decide
the
next
step,
cpi
insists
and
csi
immigration
alpha
3
are
are
basically
the
p0
that
should
rise
our
next
decision,
and
so
we
should
understand
if
what
we
have
today
crs
is
enough
to
to
manage
this
migration.
C
C
A
tactical
solution,
with
small
improvement
on
on
crs
banking,
a
little
bit
back
in
cpi
csi
discussion.
I
remember
in
the
past
you've
seen
and
see
volunteering
to
take
a
look
at
the
program
provide
feedback.
So
I
I
ask
if
they
are
still
on
on
this
task,
and
otherwise
we
have
to
figure
it
out
how
to
get
to
a
conclusion
that
basically
provide
a
summary
of
what
all
the
majority
of
the
provider
need
to
add.
Yeah.
D
D
We
are
currently
like
already
doing
that,
for
example
in
the
vsphere
provider,
but
it
yeah
it's
only
half
of
the
problem
because
for
brownfield
clusters
this
doesn't
solve
the
issue
because
we
need
somehow
to
get
cpi
and
csi
installed
on
the
cluster
and
today,
when
cluster
cuddle
upgrade
when
you
use
like
the
upgrade
flow
like
we
don't
have
a
way
to
actually
install
those
crs.
D
So
a
solution
can
potentially
be
that
an
upgrade
like
cluster
code
can
look
for
a
file
that
contains
all
of
the
crs
that
you
want
to
and
like
apply
the
apply.
Those
apply,
those
how
needed.
So
it's
there's
that
there's
also
like
the
other
option
that
I
was
looking
into,
which
is
like
documenting
an
upgrade
path.
D
C
D
The
crs
is
only
half
of
the
picture,
so
we
need
something.
We
definitely
need
something
else.
We
either
be
it
like
an
integration
that
is
built
on
top
of
installing
crs
or
something
else.
C
Thank
you
is
this
a
work
in
some
documenting
submission
or
in
some
document
that
we
can
really
on.
D
Not
yet
it's
been
mainly
exploratory
for
this
week,
so
I
think
we
have
an
issue
in
capi
I'll
I'll,
add
like
a
summary
on
this,
and
then
we
can
decide
on
that
one.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Jason,
oh
yeah.
First
guessing
you
still
have
your
hands
hand
raised.
E
Yeah,
I
just
basically
everything
that
justin
said
and
also
another
consideration
is
the
versioning
of
the
external
cloud
providers
is
tricky
just
because,
like
they
have
a
support
matrix
with
the
kubernetes
versions,
and
so
that
means
we
need
to
make
sure
that
whenever
kubernetes
is
upgraded,
the
like
cloud
provider
version
is
also
upgraded
right.
Now,
it's
kind
of
on
the
user
to
be
aware
of
that
and
take
care
of
that.
But
that's
not
a
very
user
friendly
way
to
do
it.
E
So
we're
also
exploring
the
crs
way
in
cab,
z,
right
now,
jack
francis
has
a
pr
open
to
try
to
switch
our
test
templates
to
I'll
use
external
cloud
provider
by
default
using
crs,
but
it's
a
very
static
way
of
doing
it
and
it
works
for
bringing
up
a
test
cluster
and
deleting
it
right
after.
But
it's
not
a
good
cluster
life
cycle
experience.
D
Yeah,
I
think
that,
like
last
one
to
what
cecile
said
regarding
this
the
static
fact,
so
I
think
that
yeah
in
general,
like
we
shouldn't
as
as
y'all
said,
like
try
to
reinvent
the
wheel,
but
we
probably
should
should
work
with
or
the
apis
that
we
already
have
and
try
to
build
something
on
top
of
it.
That
would
make
like
you,
the
user's
life
easier,
especially
like
when
using
things
like
cluster
cuddle,
because
like
if
you're
using
pretty
much
all
the
stack
you'd
expect
everything
to
work
out
of
the
box.
C
Yeah,
I
I
agree
with
all
the
concern
we
discussed
some
some
on
the
same
line
yesterday.
Versioning
and
version
is
tricky
because
some
addons
are
are
linked
to
the
cluster
like
cycle
some
other
known,
and
we
also
discussed
what,
if
we
have
to
do
small
improvement
to
crs.
So
then
the
the
major
concern
from
vince
that
is
not
here
today
was
that
if
we
invest
in
crs,
then
we
we
are
basically
creating
an
api
that
we
have
support
longer.
So
it's
just
a
matter
to
evaluate
p0
and.
C
I
I
saw
a
question
in
the
chat
about
cluster
advancer
project,
so
the
casserole
dancer
project.
I
know
they
are
experimenting,
something
they
are
experimenting,
something
in
in
chaos.
We
asked
the
at
the
sig
meeting
to
have
some
document
some
evidence
how
this
is
working,
but.
D
Let's
see
do
we
have
like
any
documentation
or
warning
that
says
that,
like
we
currently
do
not
support
upgrading
out
of
the
box
in
123.
A
No,
probably
the
reverse:
we
have
a
version
matrix
which
says
we
support
up
until
123
in
even
in
1.0
and
0.4,
and
I
guess
it's
kind
of
true
for
core
cluster
api
right.
I
mean
in
capy
it
works,
but
once
csi
etc
comes
into
the
picture,
and
I
think
there
are
some
things
enabled
by
default.
Some
clouds,
I'm
not
sure.
D
D
Yeah,
like
csi
migration,
is
enabled
by
default,
so
yeah
in
general,
like
if
we
break.
If
we
break
volumes,
we
shouldn't
claim
support
for
that.
Kubernetes
version
yeah.
C
A
Okay-
and
I
said
I
thought
in
a
channel
that
I
think
immediately
after
upgrade,
nothing
is
broken
yet,
but
it
sounds
like
it
will
break
later.
A
C
So
last
week
I
brought
up
the
some
updates
on
our
support
matrix,
so
we
have
a
1.0
branch
that
is,
that
is
already
out
of
support
0.3
branch
that
is
going
out
of
support
and
of
basically
next
week,
0.5.4
branch
that
is
going
to
end
of
support
of
april
and
what
what
I
was
proposing
is
to
give
a
grace
period
of
two
months
where
we
continue
to
issue
basically
monthly
patch
on
this
branch.
C
If,
if
there
are
cherry
peaks
that
that
makes
this
necessary
and
and
then
after
that,
we
will
consider
only
emergency
patches.
C
If
the
maintainers
decide
that
this
is
worth
two
and
also
in
this
branch,
we
are
not
basically
adding
support
for
any
new
kubernetes
version.
I
we,
I
did
not
get
feedback
on
on
these
after
this
discussion,
so
I'm
assuming
that
this
is
fine
for
everyone.
So
this
is
the
I
kindly
asked
if
there
are
objections
or
otherwise.
This
is
basically
what
we,
what
we
are
going
to
do.
C
A
Okay,
then,
let's
move
on
really
richard,
I'm
not
sure
which
one
of
you
too.
F
Yes,
so
to
give
a
brief
summary
of
this
issue,
so
I'm
actually
working
on
adding
cluster
class
support
for
eks,
which
is
the
manage
service
and
encountered
an
issue
and
for
people
who
are
not
very
familiar
with
the
eks
in
kappa,
since
it's
managed
service,
we
are
using
our
own
control,
plane
provider,
now
our
own
bootstrap
provider.
So
instead
of
kcp,
we
have
what
we
call
aws
managed
control
plane
in
kappa.
So
that's
counterpart.
F
So
when
I
created
this
cluster
my
case
cluster
2,
I
expected
there
is
only
one
aws
manage
control
plane,
but
it
turned
out.
There
are
two
and
I
was
like
debugging
this,
and
the
issue
is
that
for
eks
we
don't
have
a
separate
sorry,
we
don't
have
separate
the
kcp
and
they
say
like
darker
cluster.
We
have
only
one
that's
used
for
both.
F
So
if
you
get
here
right,
though
we
are,
we
need
to
use
the
we
need
to
use
this
aws
managed
control,
plane,
template
for
both
control,
plane
and
infrastructure
reference,
and
I
think
this
is
the
use
case.
So
cluster
class
implementation
is
not
supporting
yet
so
with
this
issue,
we
actually
start
having
discussion
about
like
what
manages
the
so
from
my
understanding.
There
are
only
two
managed
services
in
capi
ecosystem.
F
One
is
eks,
the
other
is
aks
and
they
are
implemented
differently.
So
even
we
we've
been
talking
about
like
what's
the
expectation
from
capi
and
richard
the
case
who
actually
implemented
eks
in
kappa.
He
richard
there's
actually
some
questions
opinions
so
so
for
the
discussion.
A
Yeah,
who
wants
to
say
something.
G
Yeah,
I
guess
just
to
give
some
background
for
for
eks.
We
don't
need
separate.
We
originally
had
a
a
cluster
object
or
cluster
of
kind,
but
that
was
basically
just
a
pass
through
to
satisfy
the
contract.
Fundamentally,
we,
our
cluster
and
the
control
plane
are
one
in
the
same,
so
you
know
we
did
choose
the
wrong
one,
to
name
it
actually
in
hindsight,
and
that
is
one
issue
and
that's
not
the
confusion,
but
we
do
don't
need
two
separate
resource
kinds
and
two
separate
reconciliation
loops.
G
Fundamentally,
so
we
did
remove
one
and
we
specified
them
both
for
the
same,
but
I
guess
you
know
we
can.
We
can
go
back
to
it
or
if,
if
we
only
need
to
supply
a
cluster
object
and
we
can
just
not
supply
the
control
plane,
that
might
also
fix
it,
but
yeah
open
to
suggestions.
G
Sorry
also,
probably
the
bottom
comment
there
is
so
there
is
talk
about
adding
gk's,
gke
support
into
cap
g
and
the
work
starting
soon.
So
I've
added
the
comment
down
there
about.
I
don't
remember
ever
a
discussion
around
what
managed
kubernetes
services
actually
looked
like
in
kubernetes.
G
We
sort
of
just
try
to
make
them
fit,
and
maybe
they
it
doesn't
naturally
fit
or
we
need
to
make
some
changes.
C
So
I
did
not
have
chance
to
investigate
this
properly
but
yeah.
On
top
of
my
mind,
the
first
reaction
is
that
caster
infrastructure
and
control
plane
are
to
they
serve
to
two
different
concepts
and,
and
we
have
different
expectations
so.
C
But
if
I
look
at
cluster
class,
if
you
want
to
take
full
benefit
of
customer
class
like
a
brainstorm
supporting
a
craze,
you
need
a
control
plane
that
support
certain
contract
field
like
for
eastern
versions,
status
status,
does
version
and
stuff
like
that.
So.
C
C
But
I
think
that
having
a
dumb
infrastructure
provider
that
just
turn
returns
immediately
infrastructure,
ready
or
control
planning
points,
so
we
will
we'll
make
the
entire
process
smoothly
smoothie
for
everyone
instead
of
making
this
exception
the
rule.
So
this
is
my
god
reaction,
but
yeah.
I
have
to
look
at
these
particularly.
G
Yeah,
that's
basically
what
we
had
initially
to
satisfy
that
contract,
but
then
we
thought
well,
it
sort
of
seems
pointless.
Maintaining
two
sets
of
code
plus
there
was
this
this
weird
scenario
where
the
control
plane
is
responsible
for
creating
the
endpoint,
so
that
we
had
to
then
communicate
that
back
to
the
the
managed
cluster.
So
the
managed
cluster
could
then
communicate
that
back
up
to
to
the
cluster
object.
So
we
had
this
weird
dependency
between
the
control
plane
and
the
the
cluster
for
reconciliation
purposes,
but
yeah.
C
I
just
want
to
say
yeah,
let's,
let's
rally
on
the
issue
and
find
if
we
find
our
way
forward
and
also
we
can
generalize
the
problem
giving
gcp
and
all
the
other
providers
so
yeah
happy
to
work
on
this.
Thank
you
for
raising
the
issue.
Yeah.
A
I
think
it
will
be
really
interesting
to
see
how
the
different
clouds
compare,
how
they
are,
each
which
abstractions
they
each
have
for
managed
clusters
and
what
we
can
fit
that
into.
A
Interesting,
okay,
so
there's
apparently
also
pr
in
capsi
to
remove
azure
managed
cluster.
So
it
sounds
like
it's
a
good
discussion
to
have
awful
that
looks.
Okay
still
going
on.
H
A
So
I
think
I
can
provide
some
context
so
when,
when
you
create
a
regular
cluster
without
cluster
class,
just
just
plain
clusters
with
ecs,
then
you
create
one
aws
managed
control
plane
and
you
create
one
cluster
and
use
your
control
plane
and
references
both
as
cluster
and
as
control
plane
because
it
confirms
to
both
contracts,
so
it
fulfills
both
contract
with
one
resource
now,
looking
at
classic
class,
both
of
those
things
are
mandatory.
You
can
just
leave
one
of
them
out
and
nothing
happens.
A
We
expect
both
of
them,
so
you
have
to
put
something
there
and
the
only
thing
you
have
is
aws
manage
control
plane.
Currently,
so
that's
why
the
only
way
to
get
that
cluster
class
to
actually
get
created
through
our
web
books
etc
is
to
specify
both
both
of
those.
So
I
think
that's
the
only
reason
why
they
are
now
here
at
the
moment.
H
Okay,
I
wonder
if
a
referencing,
a
regular
aws
cluster
template
using
the
externally
managed
analytic
annotation
could
help
there,
but
but
again-
and
I
need
to
look
at
this
like.
A
If
if
I
got
the
externally
managed
thing
correctly,
then
the
idea
of
externally
managed
is
that
you
still
have
to
resource,
but
someone
else
manages
it,
but
whoever
mentions
that
also
has
to
set
a
status
on
that
object
on
that
test,
because
so,
let's
confirm
to
a
contract
zone.
Yes,.
A
Yeah,
I'm
not
sure
if
it
makes
a
difference
to
the
to
the
small
shimmer
or
whatever
italy
I
said
before,
because
I
mean
at
that
point:
you
don't
have
set
effect
contracts
too.
It's
just
we
have
to
you
want
to
create
some
stuff,
but
it
later
has
to
convert
to
that
contract,
and
you
probably
need
to
control
it
to
do
that
if
you
want
to
provide
it
as
cover,
but
okay,
I
I
got
a
point.
I
guess
we'll
do
some
async
for
a
discussion
on
that
issue,
which
makes
sense.
A
I
think
if
there
are
no
other
comments
about
it,
okay
looks
good,
then
jacob
fabrizio,
not
sure
who
wants
or
is.
C
This
this
is
a
point
from
jacob
that
that
we
discuss
in
his
lecture,
but
he
cannot
join
the
meetings
on
acting
and
as
jacob
and
he
started
a
good
discussion
related
to
the
ipam
proposal
in
the
iphone
proposal.
Basically
is
introducing
the
idea
of
an
ipam
provider,
and
so
the
next
logical
question
is
that
how
do
we
install
the
ipad
provider
with
cluster
cattle?
Should
we
add
a
new
category
of
provider
and
so
on
and
so
forth?
C
It
is
an
interesting
discussion,
probably
also
relevant,
for
the
discussion
on
other
dawn
that
we
at
the
beginning.
So
if
someone
is
interested
on
as
opinion,
please
go
on
the
issue
and
provide
feedback.
A
Thank
you,
okay.
Moving
on
christian,
I
think
you
will
want
to
share
your
screen
so
yeah.
I
A
A
I
Could
share
on
screen?
That's
that's
fine,
okay,
so
it
should
be
visible
now
so
hi
again
everyone.
I
just
wanted
to
do
a
short
demo
about
the
small
project
cluster
api
state
matrix.
We
did
announce
it
some
weeks
ago
and
we
had
mercedes-benz,
did
publish
it
to
github.
I
We
already
had
some
feedback,
which
was
to
yeah.
A
short
demo
would
be
great
and
yeah,
so
here
I
am
today
and
I'd
like
to
show
it
so
for
everyone
which
who
never
heard
of
it.
The
goal
is
to
provide
a
matrix
endpoint
for
prometheus,
which
has
data
from
the
cluster
api
crs
a
similar.
What
cube
state
patrick
does
for
the
core.
Kubernetes
objects
yeah.
I
As
of
now
it
only
implements
a
metrics
for
core
cluster
api
crs,
but
in
future
maybe
it
makes
sense
to
extend
it
to
provider
specific
crs
too
yeah,
okay,
so
it's
published
in
github
at
mercy
dispensary
by
state
metrics.
I
also
added
a
link
to
the
document
for
reference
and
I
just
want
to
show
give
a
short
demo.
I
I
have
deployed
here
a
docker
or
capti
cluster
in
kind,
and
now
I
will
just
start
the
cluster
api
state
matrix
locally
on
my
machine
and
it
will
connect
to
the
kind
cluster
and
start
providing
the
metrics
for
this
capti
cluster.
I
So,
let's
wait
until
it
starts
up
and
immediately
we're
able
to
clear
the
metrics
endpoint
and
get
some
metrics
like
parts
for
the
details
here.
Let's
do
some
poolman's
chrome,
ql
and
scrape
all
the
data
about,
or
some
data
about,
the
cluster
status,
for
example,
or
the
cluster
information
like
labels,
which
are
set
exactly
exactly
the
same
like
cubestatemetric.
I
In
this
case,
there's
also
already
merged
a
pull
request,
which
shows
the
past
state
of
a
cluster
object
and
same
for
all
the
other
core
copy
objects
like
cuban
control,
plane
machine
machine
set
machine
deployment.
I
I
I
prepared
some
queries
on
prometheus,
so
this
is
exactly
the
same
cluster
which
yeah
was
scraped
by
prometheus
and
from
with
the
data
from
cluster
api
state
metrics,
while
it
got
provisioned
for
example,
here
we
can
see
the
capi
machine
status
phase
metric
and
we
can
see
how
the
bootstrap
of
the
cluster
was.
At
the
end,
we
had
six
machines
here
in
running
phase.
I
I
Another
example
would
be
the
status
rapid
class
replicas
field
of
the
q
button
control
plane.
We
can
see
here
that
it
got
ready
one
after
the
other,
which
is
the
normal
way.
A
q
and
control
pane
gets
up
yeah
and.
I
Yeah
and
this
one
is
the
phase
of
the
machine
deployment
here,
so
we
can
see.
The
blue
part
is
when
the
machine
deployment
was
in
face
scaling
up
and
the
yellow
part
is
when
it's
in
phase
running.
So
when
it
finished
the
provision
yeah.
I
think
I
think
yeah
we're
currently
using
it
mainly
for
alerting.
We
don't
don't
have
any
fancy
dashboards.
I
We
already
got
some
feedback
on
adding
a
home
chart
to
the
repository
yeah,
all
in
all,
there's
an
open
issue
on
the
cluster
api
and,
I
think,
and
our
yeah.
We
wanted
to
engage
on
that
with
this
proposal
this
this
tool-
I
don't
know
if
it's
may,
if
it
makes
sense
if
the
discussion
goes
further
on
there
to
yeah,
provide
the
the
code
or
contributed
to
the
whole
project
if
this
is
wanted
and
accepted
by
the
community
yeah.
But
I
think
that
that's
it
for
now.
C
Yeah,
first
of
all,
thank
you
for
the
demo.
I
think
this
is
great
and
I
like
there
are
a
couple
of
things
that
I
like.
C
First
of
all,
I
like
that
this
matrix
are
built
on
top
of
our
api,
and
this
is
a
a
great
way
to
validate
our
api,
provide
all
the
information
that
are
required
to
operate
in
a
cluster,
and
so
this
is,
I
really
like
it.
I
also
like
the
idea
that
that
this
is
not.
This
is
a
kind
of
a
dawn
that
we
can
have
and
separately.
C
C
I
really
like
the
idea.
Personally,
I
would
like
to
see
this
in
in
in
the
in
the
sig
under
the
sea
umbrella,
where,
where
yeah
everyone
can
contribute
it,
but
that's
my
opinion
and
then
let's
give
room
to
the
others.
A
D
See
next
yeah,
I
think
this
is.
This
is
very
much
great.
I
think
we
we.
We
definitely
need
something
like
this
to
increase
the
observability
of
cluster
api,
and
I
can
imagine
pretty
much
this
being
augmented
to
also
have
a
suite
of
all
other
components
that,
for
example,
have
handled
you
know
cert
expiry
or
things
that
are
like,
for
example,
very
specific
to
cluster
api
behaviors
in
terms
of
upgrades
or
like,
for
example,
okay,
I
have
multiple
clusters.
D
How
much
of
these
are
like
in
a
given
version
or
or
the
other,
so
yeah?
Definitely
interesting.
I'm
glad
to
see
this.
I
I
So
all
we
had
to
do
was
this
small
pull
request,
which
is
the
documentation
here
and
the
pretty
generic
way
to
add
the
information
here
or
the
the
new
metric
to
the
yeah
to
the
tool?
I
think
there's,
there's
great
stuff
done
in
cube.
State
metrics
we
easily
can
make
use
of
here
in
this
whole
topic
yeah.
A
It's
great
you
seen:
do
you
still
have
your
hand
rest
or
again,
another
one,
okay,
yeah,
just
just
my
comment.
I
I
agree
with
everything
for
pizza
and
just
seeing
that
for
me,
it's
also
a
way
that
we
can
yeah
just
move
the
monitoring
story
along
essentially
and
can
also
provide
some
things
like
sample
dashboards,
sample
alerts
and
best
practices
essentially
to
to
run
cluster
api.
A
Okay,
then
greets
you
again.
C
Okay,
so
first
one
is
about
apr
about
improving
version,
documentation,
support
and
some
time
ago
I
I
opened
another
issue.
I
got
a
very
valuable
feedback
from
remember
from
json
from
cecil,
and
I
tried
to
summarize
that
in
in
this
pr,
the
tldr
is
that
when
we
ship
a
cluster
api
version,
we
we
ensure
support
for
a
setup
version,
but
at
the
same
time
we
try
to
keep
support
to
the
older
version,
even
if
they
are
not
anymore,
supported
stream
and-
and
we
try
to
to
ensure
support
for
the
upcoming
for
the
future
current
version.