Kubernetes SIG Cluster Lifecycle, 19 Jun 2019

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Hello, everybody- this is a pelham of his Horace session of 19th of June. Today, is basically break for 116 and able to post the inter instruct.

A

We came at them, but it's got all already packed look, so we have to go through a lot of discussion.

A

So I, this is a certain basically I should share my screen, but the thing is, and so many things we have to discuss, and now we have some priority matter. They really wanted to get the feedback to learners, but one perfectly nice thing is this lack pot, so the first one is this: better support for I think Korean, small children.

A

So currently we have some problems related to concurrent control plane joining the cursor. This manifests, if you basically I mean I, it's it's late city problem we already have. We already have a fix, we just not in the PR firm, yet you can send it. So, if used to be like this is something fairly important.

A

A related problem here is that we work a lot joining have problems, because if we have a situation, we have began a won't balance and that does not support HTTP coaching's. We get in a situation where this worker cannot discover a consumer and overall also I, see Yahoo re the night- and this is I, saw this earlier. This is a problem, but if we tend to late it's possible to schedule, work phones from this control, a node which is probably undesired and overall I see. This is a fairly important item.

A

So maybe we should aside it's like important long term like a few feet to maybe for now. Does anybody have comments.

B

Disappoint he's gone depends upon whether or not you're hitting the kind control plane issue Julian stuff faster than most people. If, if it surfaces in cluster API I would I would bump the priority. Otherwise, if it's only localized to this really kind of niche testing environment, then P 2 Suns, reasonably from my perspective, I.

A

Have seen this being a problem with user clusters, so basically we have no. We have an H a set up, but we didn't say that they have to join CEO in a serial fashion, so they attempted concurrence in films. So I have seen this news reports, but.

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Something you consider this a bug is something that we we have to work out to work on. I agree, it is p2, even in my opinion, is not worth to keep on the table. Why we are talking about planning my opinion planning are. You know, important themes that we want to develop and why this is an issue and an ST one, but I.

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Let's go to the next one. This is this amazing of questions and I. At this point, I think this is the highest requested. Feature of video. Currently, users are doing to medium upgrades, does perfect, which is basically grading the cosa for the sake of modifying the process of revision, which I think we should work around, possibly with a new command and I would it's kind of it's nice to have, but it's called supercritical walking at the same time. So maybe this is a p1.

D

Hiya green p1 also because there is no, it is something that we have to work on a cap initially.

D

So, let's start III take the ownership to start writing the kept trying to define surfaced some first this case, because the requirements still not not well to I, define it, but I'm, not sure, but we at the end, we can execute to do a stability cycle.

D

It will be created to finish the cycle to to the to to something to work on.

F

I kept up or whether.

A

You have basically almost made a good point that if we don't get a good, ok place, we might be blocked on a speeding limitation details.

A

So maybe we want that if, if this trust getting very time, we can reduce ability.

A

So this is a great resistance. Camilla would comment about this that if we are about to split customization interceptor command, maybe we can use the backing for no plates because they know they are going to use similar backing functionality up gays. But if we, if you reduce top of her grades, can technically get something that is, but the customization of of a control plane mode, for instance, so is maybe they are like this coherence between these two tasks, but I don't know, maybe that race by themself they're also requested feature but I.

A

What I've seen is that people want to skip a load, but that's the only motivation to anybody phases to this one. So I'm not really sure what to do here. Maybe you walk term right to.

D

Transfer for me, this one is p3. The worker around the phases near for upgrade is still. It should be definer than and I think that there are too many.

A

I told that I stopped my slack, but it continues saying that the message is anyway. Hopefully we don't reviewing it a secret from video, okay, so III here next I did the the cube Adium. We won't be to treacly, possibly so. The question here is that what should we add because it spoke with Rossi and quickly? The only thing that made sense is to enable volumes for HDD. My first I don't think that we basically have any demos. So this, like questions last priority, enable how.

B

I would point the cycle: I, wouldn't even have it on the list for the cycle, because traditionally we try to batch API changes from broader feedback. There's there's no sense in churning, if there's only one minor addition. In my opinion,.

G

Yeah I, in fact, don't see anything for the next couple of cycles, so probably punt it even further a very.

G

A

Okay, so this is the next one: is the cleanup of Peabody independencies, so next week, I proposed under him to basically have a dedicated meeting for this boy. I've shut the whole thing right now, it's a.

A

We have a bit of a message under the wrist, so what we can do is potentially discuss next week, but I just wanted to bring this lava tool of disgust over America visiting, and uh we it's already the tracking issues already established like you want, but in my opinion, because he's going to span through a lot of cycles, maybe we should break it down into some tickets subtasks and you know potentially escalate some of them, but some of them on in the Bible I.

B

Agree, I think the most important one is clean, bender types and enablement or the broader incorporation like we're still stuck on boostrap tokens. And if we want to do the separate types for machine, readable output or total loft on getting bootstrap tokens out plus there's other.

B

D

Making a tie to spend or a ball and the p2 everything that is just read my mind of me.

A

Okay, let's let it the speedo from oh, yes, and next week we can discuss what should be big, listen to some classics. Hopefully we're going to get home from work because they wanna fight, MC, hibiscus and I am just going to compete this next week this list and discuss it separately, security improvements, so this is I just searched for at this table and I can open link. We have.

A

An opinion mostly select book or maybe, like quantum you see, the presence of.

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So maybe we can have, this is important.

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It's kind of mortgage I, don't know.

A

But there's also there's also the CIA's comprise which social secur.

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B

Ahead of, like common constraints like we still have the coolest serving certain expose just fundamental things like that, and there are some times every now and then we need to pay the piper and burn this down to the ground and get rid of these, because these are production grade problems and people should we want to have Covidien, not only be the de facto tool for bootstrapping people, but for them to feel safe and comfortable from a security perspective.

B

So I would probably priority invert security to be a high priority just to at least go through every issue, triage them all and make sure that we're in a good state and we've dealt with this holistically.

A

Maybe we can make this a peace you to have the learning.

A

It may be the peace, you know to have the hold it's early in the cycle and then because so these items are, maybe you know their production working, but some of them are BOTS like I.

D

Agree that this should be our priority. Profit is zero and, in my opinion, there are two of three things that should be addressed.

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Of action are actionable item and the other goes in in background in background.

A

Okay, we could potentially shift already so some of those families.

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Yes, a religion of cisco players. This this is one of the things, especially so.

A

Is it loss of easy Oh? Should we make a separate gospel I.

H

Think it for this one, it depends some of the issues and needs to be fixed, I think.

A

This is not a high priority because they are problems to the bench.

B

So long as we have a tracker edit logs and tracks the issues that we file, the CIS folks to.

A

Module promised to create some issues that you bench, a repository that like Facebook I, don't know where it is. We possibly need to discuss this further.

A

But she read about this is folly like by the way people hook.

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Me we can do it right off. You want to view who has been active or it's all appropriate to do it. During the meeting we.

B

Are going to be secretly ok.

A

And this is I, don't know, validus, maybe also static. You got it is. We need more contributors for cube a DM here position more of each level. Each have friendly meetings or two decisions. I.

B

Think this isn't a priority from an execution perspective, but I. Do you think that we should maybe have like a biweekly China friendly time? I, don't know if it's bi-weekly or monthly do something it's up to other folks who are in a better time zone because me, my time zone hitting China is always super late at night. I can do it every now and then, but it's pretty rare, so I don't think it's a priority for execution. I think it's maybe something we should try to take into account. This psycho.

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See the sickness, what do you say? Basically, people like me lost in Fabrizio we're comfortable with the youth time zone. I mean it happens once a week. It's okay, I.

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That it is fine to start to be weekly and I think that we we can try to leverage on on Shattuck away the new, the new rival reviewer, for forgetting this started, because we need someone there that helps bring people in I.

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Would prefer to start with dicks you if you can host meetings? Okay,.

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D

There and I asked people who are interested in to jump in and for for two-day meeting. I think that we can bring keep these two item remove the priority, because they are not priority for as a cushion and then we move at the end of the list, but because it's something that we have to work on as a steel in order to stay our same future. But they are not really planning so.

A

It's machinery, world to start price windows, support this. This is currently in the hands to see windows for chase. That's why I didn't believe it.

D

I I add at this point, so I can give a little bit of background machine. Readable output is something that we discussed a lot with, especially with the Intel Forks in Barcelona, and they they even started to do a first implementation. So, in my opinion, is something that is nice to ever and there are people committed to making this happen. I will put these t1, and just because it's something that is, we have people already doing something similar. Why window support what I did what I wanted to avoid?

D

It is what happened in the life cycle that late in the cycle. We had a meeting with people from Microsoft asking for our commit for our committee.

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We prefer, if we increase the priority for p3 right now,.

D

Yes and I add a note that we we should plan a meeting with people, understanding their commitment and I've been totally changed. The priority I.

D

Add the note on this bottom of the meeting.

A

Did you do you add this item as well that this college.

D

Yes, I also this one because okay last icon, we my opinion, we did a really good job in implementing out test coverage, but is a something that woman was my maintainer. And now we have two problems that should be addressed at the I'm already I started to work, something and the first one is that and we should the base to our kinder to the latest kind, and this is some evidence bearing seeing inst container T and and the and this fact raise up a problem that we want to test those so also Dhaka.

D

So we have to bring in continuity, but also preserve. Docker is something that I want to work at the beginning of the cycle and where there is less risky changing the test.

A

This this is actually because this impacts, a change to for.

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If we until should be, are going to have a lot of time after a list of items, we can discuss father's security, I'm.

B

A little concerned by the cut line here we have a lot. Our our list is pretty big here. If you scroll back up.

B

It one thing we typically do too is to get people who want to commit to some of these things along the way, so that they're engaged in it all the way through. So if we can get firm commitments than some of this, then we can have like stakeholders for some of the work going on now, I'm a little concerned. We're gonna, spread ourselves pretty thin across all these efforts.

A

Yeah I wanted to go back to the list later. To discover is this reality because we have all of the ones who discipline? Yes, yes,.

D

I'm not being my name on the task where I I will.

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Color led by volunteers.

A

Yes, so let's go back at least swear that you won't discourage those for sharing about three.

A

To change this, how changes the game for III come on this? It we talk after it's only.

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Is going to hell it into this abso about changes, I have to change them going to change its p30 security problems. We already said this each remaining easier. Let me with Monica convinced you clean up of comedian. Dependence is dead, I'm going to participate, Australian rusty.

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And you seem so yes yeah, you can add me down Thanks.

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This is pockets upgrade faces hi. It seems to me that nobody's good companies and then it should be forbidden before.

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It all right, Smith, funding completely.

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Position do we want to keep it even that's.

D

I'm gonna eat it as well I brighten, my name and below on the cap, about.

A

All right, this should be 1. This is for a family off the job. The a sink mode join like this, so I also had myself somewhat.

A

Ok, I think that everybody has an item. Still, let's see how many P, once we have I, think two three.

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D

It is a the change the cluster okay.

F

I want to try to to figure out a solution right, a care system how to participate in the testing.

A

Stuff anyway, I want to lower these priority bills. We can, we may completely I, don't know anyway, so because it's important, so that's how arguing that just it is the planet. Okay, with any comments from the lists, anybody hey.

J

Bo, would you like help writing that cap I, don't know if I could be of help, but if I could be I would like to help you.

D

Okay, I think offline on writing. Okay, honestly, either to to start collecting ideas. So this will be fine and yet will be fine.

A

We shall see Malick's Iago on the security improvements. This is.

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In potentially, we can increase its if we are close for it, but the work is stopped on, we think is a dependent, that's masculine she's.

D

Yeah I don't mind: even the pudding will be too because there are people committed to as a good, and they don't have other tasks us or.

A

There are comments I.

C

Would like to participate in this dependency task if possible, cleaning up dependence.

H

So, are we having at the occasion meeting for this one market? Yes,.

A

Because it's so many different topics to discuss there, I wanted to make it next next week and we can have the people with insulin until Kim can join them with fitness or dependency.

B

Before you might want to stick with someone from Google to figure out when Georgia his best friend vacation, so he's on vacation right now and I want him to not think about stuff. So maybe talk with somebody else from.

A

ah Yeah I I really want him to join the meeting accepted. If he isn't, you know he has been working hard without a vacation, so maybe he's out for a month. I don't know.

B

That's true I think we can just come up with a list and say here's our list. You know if you want to help work on these items feel free. Otherwise you know we're doing it. According to our priorities,.

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Essentially, we have to establish the parameters unless other people want to film from Google other companies yeah.

B

So one of the things that's kind of missing from this list, which is like higher level of Sigma Rarity's that we might want to start to percolate into this list is we need to evaluate the slash cluster directory and what tests are currently what release blocking tests are not currently covered by ku bidi in tests and at least enumerate the subsets I would put this underneath the testing effort as a macro level thing and figure out what what tests are missing from qadian, to make Covidien be the default release, blocking jobs for for kubernetes, crossfire I, think.

H

We should put this in priority for this item.

A

So we'll get me the question directly whether we want to move it or not, request sort of.

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To operate, you know, the Google you'll also have the behavior, but with this now the question is: what exactly is walking and uh I think that we can potentially have both of them? Where is walking, maybe Google one day able to remove Cuba and replace it with another? The world that is modern makes sense.

B

Yeah, why don't I created an umbrella issue? You can put this underneath the main test, one which is currently p1 or is it p2 all right? You can put any ther and I will will probably bump this up in priority, because it's the slash cluster directory has been a thorn in our side forever. Just like the the test apparatus was the thorn our Center and forever, and so you been and Fabrizio fixed it with kinder, and unless we actually address the problem, it will never go away.

A

Yeah the day of serious problems there in terms of recovery, it's a six community stuff, the aircraft. Five thousand months we came from kind of so somebody has to provide us with infrastructure. We have to pay them, you deploy. So it's not simple. Yeah.

B

I know you know, there's gonna be stages to this things. Mm-Hmm.

A

Yes, I think I'm pretty sure who will want to remove Cuba. It's just nobody has the battery. So it's a contract of people having the time and basically Google sign, saying weakness. I'll.

B

Add my name to that list for the testing stuff, particularly.

A

Excellent secret mission started started doing some work related to the packages. Should we still click this.

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Anything else to this list.

B

That blog post was awesome, good job I think that will be really beneficial to the community. I do think that the declarative nature of H a deployments will be super awesome feature once we get that all ironed out, it just declarative nature of deployments. So if we can fix those race conditions, we could eventually get to the point where we could just say give me a cluster cloud provider from a kappa, / kappa whatever cap version, and that would just go as fast as humanly possible.

B

That would be a sweet state to get into yes,.

A

I was thinking about the city, the fix for the HCD problem like in the dot one released or something like building. This is a good idea to patch it like so Mikey, okay, like once I'm back into my regular schedule of not sleeping okay, I'm, going to say this, the PR and possibly explain to people how to test it again, because it's super easy just but kinda makes it easy. So yeah I'm going to get back back to this topic, and hopefully we can manage it in the dot one dreams.

A

The door of the workaround, the config Maps, is already there. You know we don't like it, but I'm, not sure if we are going to be able to fix it in a batch evidence. Do you think we should do it still opportunities.

B

Let's take a look at the fix-it once we get there and whether or not it's whether or not it's blocking for the old version or whether or not the workaround we currently have is sufficient for a period of time. This is on the coastal.

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D

Sometimes the Koopa PS is answering unauthorized because it is still in is initializing and.

D

Basically, whatever we are, we are implementing our workaround to this root problem and I think that the a good way to tackle this problem will be to have a meeting with Jordan legit and try to understand with Jordan, if it is correct that in Cuba be a server in some in some moments answer unauthorized or it is better better. That may be a several. Why is initializing does not provide faithful sounds worse, so it did. This happened when we are joining control, plane, new control, plane.

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A

Flamed we should instead wait for the held Z endpoint to be responding correctly. Roughly is basically saying that we are not doing that. Yeah.

D

But I I agree, so in fact we should define. It is the problem that shouldn't be fixed at Inc would mean if it's a problem should be in a fixed set in a kabuki server or if it is a problem that we have to provide this traction to the people to the user, about how to set up the load balancer. So.

K

Just one comment regarding this: one of the things that we have fun cobalamin and is really good- is that the scope is very narrow, so we we know what Kuban mean scope is, and I think this falls into the same category. What kind of things should give a BM do and I think we should narrow the scope here as well. Like you, ADM is doing some things on the cluster right.

K

It's uploading, some comfy, Maps and so on, but it's mostly working locally, so I think it makes sense for us to say that if you are using a lot balancer, you have to configure that properly from our side, because that there is no. There is no perfect solution from our satisfy psyche on see, for example, the AP cetera we can ask them. We can ask Jordan or other meeting members for an initialization behavior, but they can ask.

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