Kubernetes SIG Contributor Experience, 10 Oct 2018

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Kubernetes Contributor Experience Weekly SIG Meeting!

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Hi, everyone welcome to October tense edition of contributor experience 2018. My name is Paris I work at Google. Today we are going to cover a slew of regular topics and then also have time at the end for an open mic. First things. First, we do have a code of conduct. Please be excellent to each other. I will do my best to monitor for folks who have hands raised during discussions, but feel free to also pop into chat.

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If you have something to say so, we can get to you and then any new contributors on the line. Right now, let's see I'm looking right now looks like most folks are our regular folks.

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All right and then so regular program updates. We have Thursday community call office hours meet our contributors, George are you on doesn't look like George is on, but I'm hosting tomorrow up there is yeah, yeah I. Think I'm good for tomorrow. Are you good.

B

For office hours, yeah, other Bob and Jeff won't be able to.

C

Attend because they're traveling so I'm going to need help in both European and Western timezone, so I'm gonna reach out to my regulars. But if you, if any of you have people that are looking, you know they have some spare time. I could use some help. Ok, cool.

B

Ok for about two extra courage.

C

Yeah I just sent the announcements literally five minutes ago to discuss with the links and stuff so yeah next v17 one week from.

B

Today, all better.

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All right, I'll also get the word out too and meet our contributors. I can obviously always take folks, so if anybody's interested in coming on that little program feel free to reach out alright. Now, let's go through our project board.

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Also paste the link inside of zoom chat for lazy web awesome, alright, so I'm looking on the project board right now, good news doesn't look like we have anything in blocked. Is anybody here working on anything that they think is blocked? That's not on this project board that they need to cover.

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No all right, that's awesome! Alright! So let's go through some in progress stuff and do some quick stands ups, if that's cool all right, does anybody want to go first? It looks like Christoph's got some cards in here.

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Jonas you've got some non code stuff going on. I know: you've got you had some comms go out. Yes,.

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So I can I can go first, yeah we're going into non code stuff, so we got two columns now last week. So right now we're essentially just trying to collect things so I think for now that issue that particular issue can actually be closed, and then we can open up others as we work on adding more job roles and gathering feedback from the basick leads awesome.

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All right, thanks, Jonas and congrats on the closed issue sweet once you close it. It will automatically go to it automatically, go to the completed column, so just go ahead and I'll.

D

Add in all the all the stuff that we added for the blog post and the email to the distribution of less than all of that I have the front post all.

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Right does anybody have any questions for Jonas regarding any of the nine code stuff? That's going on.

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Speak now, awesome thanks, Jonas, sweet all right and then Christoph is Christoph on the line. Yes there he is all on. First off, you've got some stuff in here. If you wanted to talk about it or you want to punt and then George I think you've got some stuff in progress too. So if you wanted to talk about stuff, you've got going on dad.

C

And go after Christoph if I don't know, if he's still here, if you drop.

E

Waiting I know one of our items that has Christoph's name on them is the cleaning up of github service accounts, but I think the last comments I see there was that Igor was gonna, help us take care of this. How are we doing on this?

E

So this is never mind me sure.

C

So this is where we.

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Wanted to go through and delete all of the github accounts that are things like Kate's mirror, testing food Kate's, we're testing bla.

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It's this issue and it's like I'm, not really sure that you, as a member of the CN CF, have the technical capability to just go through and nuke. All these accounts in one sweep basically need to figure out like who created them and ask them to remove them. I think.

F

Yes, hers remember we we had to see sure so yeah. Let me let me double chicken it because haven't dragged it for a while, since so probably yeah.

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Okay, that's just the only thing. That's that's! Keeping this open.

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Speaking about the Google Groups or about github accounts, I think it's the github accounts. I, don't I mean it may also be the Google Groups. So like I deleted all the references to the Google Groups from six sigrid nice, but I, don't know that we've gone through and passed cigs to delete think a little bit obsessed if they use the Google verbs or or why.

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Speaking of so in the communication inventory that we've been collecting yesterday, we pulled like 200, plus google groups that are related to kubernetes and most of them look like service accounts, so yeah I was gonna. Ask you all about that today, like.

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Are they used notifications.

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It looked like nothing but github. You, notifications, some didn't even look like they had github notifications and there some look empty so.

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The reason so George just the reason we I'm like we haven't nuked them all or more of it just yet, because if we knew them from orbit, then how do people sign in to these accounts with, if somebody's forgotten their password to an account because, hey whatever like I, don't know? Yes, yeah I think it uses that email address for the account password reset thingy, ID I honestly am NOT super short, because I went ahead and already removed all the ones for cig testing. Yes,.

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So did the procedure worse, we've created this. These Google Groups specifically for you to have the new email address using which you can create, and you get episode so the Google Groups. The only main purpose of the Google group was to create an email account for you. They haven't been intended for any kind of conversations and so on.

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So if any seeks use them, for example, I know that sig openstack has used some of them effectively, so that Stead's the decision of the group, but it was not the main goal of creating of creating their groups. So the main goal of creating the groups was email address the fake email address, so we should start with github with github accounts, and after that we can remove all the groups.

C

So some are related to the moderation stuff. Those groups like people don't subscribe to these right, all right, not okay. So when you, because when you say we have 200 lists I'm like oh, no, we have to moderate 200 things. It's not like.

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C

Would say like.

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I would say, half of that is stuff. That needs to be moderated.

F

Well, I have to mention that, regarding the original procedure that we had I mean myself and Sarah Novotny. We we had to be the owners of these groups, so I'm an owner I, should be an owner of this off all these groups, so anytime once we'll decide. I can do anything with them, but right now, I'm not sure that we should do anything with them because we will lose their email addresses to they get hip accounts and also I've have to receive notifications from from these Google Groups and nothing came.

F

So the most of them are like cruelly negative and being used on the water. Okay,.

E

Thank you for that update all.

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Right and then George did you want to talk about stuff that you've got going on.

C

Yeah, so as far as moderating the mailing list and stuff I've got, those two issues are pretty straightforward: I can do them this week. My question I have for one of them is.

C

About adding us as owners, so how does how does this work as far as ownership for the lists like what? What exactly am I putting in the moderation that you feel is missing? Oh, you.

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Need what we need to add the mailing list stuff like how people would kick somebody off of a mailing list like how that they should like LOX of thread, if you're an owner, that they should probably do we do for Kate, of where its first new composters need to wait in the queue before before the they get like posting privileges.

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All of that stuff that relates to mailing lists like okay,.

C

Yeah I just don't know what each one of those things are like: I could kind of list them off, but I'm not sure if I'll get each one, so I'll just PR and then we'll just work it from there. Yep.

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C

Was just kind of wondering if we knew what those options were like for each one, yeah.

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I mean I know it so I can take that too. Okay,.

C

I'll, just I'll just I, think you're on review. I'll just see see you then on my review, make sure I get them all. Okay.

A

Okay and then once that's done, we should give another heads up to cig leads that all guidelines said we moderate are now in and done and that they should look at their group like look at their google groups accordingly, probably even at us as owners, but we can talk offline, yeah.

C

Like his I'm just scared like do we really want to commit to owning all of the mailing lists? It seems scary to me and go either way.

F

And if I know, ant I would come in to do remove all day and used yeah.

A

No and that's exactly what I'm documenting right now, like it's important for us to inventory, everything that we have and in order for us to like make decisions about like stuff that we should retire. I.

G

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Like a list going on right now in that document, there's like a million pages, one of them is called Google Groups. If anybody has any cycles this week, it's literally administrivia just jump in and start listing.

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Google groups that you know of and I've been having a couple other contributors help out, but have been really awesome like that's how we know that we already have like 200 google groups alone, so I mean if we're also like it's also important, because if we're gonna talk about solutions and how to make this better and if we should make this better, we need to know what we have and that's another reason.

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Why I think it's better to put us on as owners so that when and if we do decide to change things, we have, we don't have to kind of do this now. But again we can talk about some of that stuff. Yeah.

C

Cuz modding kubernetes dev is okay, like I. Think I do maybe three messages a day and I'm, assuming all the other moderators are doing the same thing, but.

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C

200 I wouldn't be able to do that. Yep.

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I mean the other, these sink chairs and things like that also have ownership responsibilities and they also can do it too. So it's not it's. The onus isn't on us necessarily.

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As much as we are just being helpful, so well.

G

Maybe maybe that can even be spelled out that, like you know, big mailing list, like moderation of cig mailing list, should be the sig in question. It really nishan necessarily be contributes, but having contributes like having you know, our community owners people in there as owners, is more like a backup like hey I, lost access to my account or we're doing an ownership transition, or something like that. Okay,.

C

I won't make that explicit done in my PR that yeah.

A

Alright, we do have a ton of stuff on the backlog. Christophe did you want to go? Did you want to stand up her stuff now or you still need a minute.

G

No I'm good I'm. The only really thing to that I have to mention that has changed in the last week is I put out a call for people to help out with adding members to our org and before I could even get to the step of posting it to discuss and using our cool job board. I already had two volunteers, so thanks everyone for being too helpful. That's that's! That's really nice, but both our volunteers have have started and have been putting in PRS.

G

Both both Stephen and Bob have been putting in PRS to add people to York and, and things are things are flowing. So that's great, but that's that's really. My only update in the last week.

A

Awesome so questions for anything related to moderation, anything related to crystal it's gin, hub management, project, stuff, yeah,.

C

Quick feedback for Christophe save the text that you did for the role board so like in a year or something. If those people cycle out, we still have a job posting that we can yeah.

G

Its own is on the couture Beck's mailing list, so we can always look back if we need to need to repost it.

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Alright and then I will stand up with some open items that I have in progress.

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Specifically what I talked about earlier, which is the inventory for communication platforms there, so I feel like we're so close that I can touch it, which is gonna, be all this awesome, Goliath document of all things, communications from at least from an upstream perspective, if not even user perspective, and then I'll cycle, that around to everybody to give a final look and then we can start and move on to talk about what we think possible solutions could look like, and the survey actually had a lot of data on it about how people like to communicate, and things like that, which is really cool and I, do have the survey data that I'm going to upload today to give up in the contributor experience folder under the key community repo.

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So then everybody will be able to play with the data then, and that's it for for that, so that ticket that issue will actually be closed out shortly and then we'll move on to pretty much next phases, which is looking at crazy solutions and testing them out. Cool.

A

And other stuff that I have going on I've got like auditing zoom license holders which is still like teeth pulling pretty much, but I do have a possible zoom solution for us. George and I are going to be testing that this week and that might help us a lot with our our issue of getting other sig needs to make sure they're using the right moderation controls and make sure that they're running their meetings, the right way, making sure they're not using their personal meeting, ID, etc.

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There's a lot of administrivia in the background there, so this actually might alleviate all of that so more on that hopefully next week to see if we could have a possible zoom solution there, but other than that, it's like right now, I think we still about 30 to 40 percent of the SIG's that don't use their zoom Thursday meeting right. So we still have some vulnerabilities there other than that, and we also have contributor contributor summit stuff going on. This.

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Is your warning for everybody on this call if you have not signed up for the contributor summit that you most likely need to do that like within the next couple of days, we are close to a point where we have like 50 ish tickets for the current contributor track left and then only a handful of tickets left for the new contributor workshop and the new contributor workshop is gonna, get some advertising today and tomorrow.

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So I have a feeling, that's gonna, sell out within the next week or so, which is awesome, and this is again for Seattle I'm. Sorry, if I didn't say that the first time Josh did you want to tell folks about Shanghai and how that's going.

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Well saying hi is already sold out.

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The Megan is putting together. One of the things we've discovered is that their registration platform doesn't support having a waiting list for it.

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So Megan is putting together a webform, and then this week we put out a blog post about the contributor activity in Shanghai that will include a link to the waiting list, just because I have a feeling that, when we send out the confirmations 10 days before the conference, we're going to cancel out a lot of people who just checked the box and didn't really understand what they were signing up for and so I want to actually have a waiting list that we can pull people from the guess.

E

That's about it, we're getting finishing up the English version of the slides. Hopefully today, which means then translations will begin.

A

Awesome that is so exciting I keep saying that every time I talk to you but I'm super pumped to see how this works and watch it go off. So Josh asked in chat. How can he double check that, if he's that, if you signed up, if anybody has any questions about registration for contributor summit drop us a note either in flack, and we can tell you or community at kubernetes at I/o, but Josh I will look right now on this fall and let you know and yep mr.

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Bobby tables was running registration, Bob I, don't think it's on the line, but yes, Bob is doing awesome all right and then, let's say I think that's kind of covers it for project board stuff. Everything else is backlogged.

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New issues that are coming in are being taken, so I think all is well on the project board front. Does anybody want to stand up with anything that they're working on right now before we go to open mic.

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All right, all right, so, let's see first thing on open mic- is a code of conduct, translation, non-english sub boards on discuss that kubernetes that IO georgous at you yeah.

C

This is Morgan, but just to let everyone everyone now can hear me. Okay good. um So we wanted to launch a native language in Chinese, and then we realize that the code of conduct is not translated to any language by English. So just to let you know, Dan's gonna work.

C

What we did is we looked at all the non-english languages and slacks sorted by the amount of users so where Dan's working on Japanese, German, French, Chinese, espanol, Italian and Ukrainian, so you should have that code of conduct done soon and then, when that happens, we'll launch Bob's, leading this. So I don't know, but at some point we'll launch something in native Chinese as a sub forum before Q, Khan Shanghai and then go from there. So I just want to let everyone know. That's the issue.

C

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I will also let the code of conduct committee node to that's awesome, yay for translation, yeah.

C

I just asked, and he was like okay, so yep.

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That's awesome.

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All right and then anybody have questions about anything related to discuss for George, Oh.

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Matt I'm sorry Matt in chat Korean. It's one of the languages folks are working on Docs. What about what about that or did I miss that on the list when.

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We were talking about translations of the Code of Conduct.

H

Korean is on the list. If that's what you're asking okay yeah, it wasn't sure other I've missed hearing it when you're rattling him off.

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All right, and then next anyway,.

C

Wait wait a minute hold on sorry. No! It's not that's strange.

C

I'll, take it take it. Oh.

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Okay, all right, then,.

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Who had the last one about the community page.

C

Now, mostly I was kind of hoping, Alex or Kaitlyn was here to I know. We said October issue. We were gonna, launch, kubernetes, dot, io / community with all the new designs and stuff.

C

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Only thing that we're waiting for is the content for me, 4k community and then you've got four contributor site. The theme that needs to be applied right.

C

Yeah, but it was my understanding that that wasn't like blocking on anything, because we're.

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Going out together now.

C

Water, as far as I know, the CN CF hasn't even selected a contractor to pick on the theme. Yet, okay.

A

Well, I guess: we need to follow up with CM CFM doctor stuff, okay,.

C

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I'm turning the content in today for the community site for just like editing and whatever. If anybody else on the line wants to take a look at, it would love to have other opinions. I mean it's gonna go through a rounds of editing and things like that, so obviously other eyeballs, besides mine, are going to be on it, but I don't have anybody else's thoughts so, and this is again the key community site. This would necessarily be towards 100% contributor audience. This is also talking about like user stuff as well.

A

So I can get that passed around on link slack today.

A

All right any other questions about all community site contributor site stuff, since we're all the templates since we're on the topic of sites.

C

Yeah should have your calendar my next week, but we don't really want to tell anybody until they finish locking up their zoom stuff right, yeah.

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C

Soon, we'll have a calendar again: I can't wait.

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C

A

All right well, there's something else on the agenda today, so we're a funeral a does anybody have anything else. Oh one.

E

Quick thing: yep, as your friendly steering committee representative work, complete we're gonna, try and make a push to have all six of their charters done prior to coos con Seattle. So that means we want all six to have their charters going on that, like bare-bones template, that's just what's in scope! What's out of scope, what are your cross sick processes?

E

So this is a friendly poke from you know. Mommy is mostly coming to mind because I'm working on the same charter, critic, testing right now but I, know that contributor experience did it charter before we had all of that so I'm assuming the chairs here, are aware of and working on, a revised to charter at some point and I'm one of your reviewers. So just give me a poke and I'm happy to help out.

A

This is me officially poking you, so can you look at what would I have what we have right now in the Google Doc or do I need to check it in first, you.

E

Can send it I mean I can take a look at the Google Doc generally I don't put my stamp on it until it's a pull request and the way we've seen others sakes. Do this still open up a poll request and they kind of hash it out themselves on the coal request before steering committee reviewers start taking a look at it, but if you've got something drafted already, I'm happy to take a look I'm going to that anything that looks here. Yeah.

A

I guess this is this would be like a first round of eyeballs look and not necessarily an official steering committee, look sure just to see if we're on the right page cousin after that, then I'd like to do exactly what you, what you're saying is get everybody on the mailing list to cut it up, and things like that. So yeah.

E

I think from historically what we've seen it doesn't usually need even the whole nailing lists, participation, we've usually seen leads or chairs chairs or tech Li, it's kind of hash it out, although like we, welcome and encourage participation from active members, that's definitely like what I'm doing for sick testing. I think that we have a couple members who are more active than the chairs and lead, so I really want to make sure we appropriately cover what they're doing without over specifying anyway.

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I will the Charter stuff as well. Thank you. Yes, all right! That's it for me! Anybody else all right, sweet, ttyl, see you next Wednesday thanks. Everyone.