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[SIG ContribEx] Weekly Marketing Meeting for 20211119

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Hello all welcome to the november 19 2021 uh upstream contributor marketing meeting her contributor comms. However, you want to refer to us we'll answer to it. uh I'm chris short, uh I work at aws and I'm leading the meeting today it looks like uh people are working away in notes, so thank you.

A

um Does anybody want to be a note taker for the meeting.

A

Thanks ray appreciate you all right so update some big wins, I think bob did you drop in the no dabrada catacode, of course, are you here? Yes, you are. You want to talk about.

B

It uh yes, I just made the issue for the work. I made some changes and yeah. I guess a fob and christoph they're assigned for the issue to start the report.

C

Yeah thanks for that, that's the reminder I will try and get to that later today.

A

That's awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Bob great work. By the way I uh kicked the tires on that last week and yeah I'm I mean I gave you my feedback, but it was just you know me being slow, typically meant that it would time out almost immediately if I was a little behind this behind the power curve on hitting the commands, um but yeah great work, man that, like it just works when you just run through it all. So that's awesome.

A

Cool up next uh campaigns in progress- let's see, I don't know, if we really, I know dejuan did everybody see dawan's notes. I should probably just copy and paste those in um he's working on the sig multi-cluster thing. He wanted me to review something, and I have done that. I just need to copy paste his notes in real, quick.

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So I did the review.

A

Multi-Cluster, sorry, I didn't get in here at my notes beforehand.

A

Thank you ray um any other issues on the board here. Let's see meet our contributors, bye, priyanka, sagu priyanka- are you here.

B

uh Yeah, that's going fine, uh it's like I'm part of that. uh We don't have any updates like we don't have any article for not reviews, that's ready. We will be putting it cool.

A

um Let's see so, uh I sent out an email this morning. Maybe y'all saw it. The contributor celebration is in progress, we're planning for it is in progress. uh I sent out a tweet from kate's contributors this morning, I'll drop that and chat real, quick if y'all want to amplify it. That would be great.

A

If not that's fine, too no big deal.

C

One quick thing like yes, closer to the event. We will definitely need more uh contributor com support, like especially when we like are starting off and kicking off like the actual events, and we get things scheduled because, like you know the a good example, the bake off um right, we essentially had people like uh the computer conscript last year, sort of like live tweeting that as kate's contributors for a good chunk of it. um So mostly like, just as a upcoming thing to think about.

A

So need some live stream. Tweeting.

B

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B

Have this live stream tweets for uh the kubecon, so we can use that particular template and uh you know, do the likeship, because basically we have a uh like excel sheet designed for it. Caslin did it and we all put our tweets beforehand and see used to just you know, update the tweets uh whenever it was required. There was a timeline see had the calendar set for her, which would remind her uh which tool took over one time.

A

Yeah, I will say the only problem I think that occurred with that was just as things got delayed during kubecon. Maybe this.

D

Time wasn't perfect.

A

But that's my only comment there right like I think it worked fine um but yeah. You know it's it's one of those things like I'm happy to sit here and life tweet. You know like I can do that totally.

C

For the live, tweeting thing too, it's like it's also kind of like it's a bit more dynamic, especially for the things like the bake off. uh By the way, if you have not seen the bake off, it is like three hours. That's actually worth watching. It's probably the most popular video on the kubernetes youtube channel. That's funny!

C

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Is but yeah like it, it requires dynamicism right, like you have to be able to tweet on the fly kind of thing like you know,.

C

Paris, just you know, showed off her. You know really awesome cake or you know something like and then a tweet with the cake.

A

Yeah so yeah like screen, grabs tweeting those out that kind of thing I feel like there's no way we can schedule that. So that's.

C

Where the human.

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Comes in um like.

C

The kickoff for the events like when they're supposed.

A

C

Start and all that definitely.

A

But for now I'll take the responsibility of live tweeting. The thing if I can, if not I'll, let somebody know.

C

This is an fyi that will likely be a saturday.

C

Is the one thing good to know? Okay, um the it's the the bake off and some of the bigger event like um I forget the exact date, um one sec.

C

The the bake off we haven't solidified dates yet right, so the big off will probably be the 18th okay. So saturday, the 18th.

A

Let me just put a note in my family calendar, real quick.

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C

Okay, as well as potentially one of the other, like larger events,.

C

For what it's worth, though, for like anyone, that's potentially interested like a lot of people tuned in with their families.

A

Yeah like it could be one of those things where it's max and I sitting here just laughing our butts off and tweeting, so yeah good stuff.

A

All right um anybody else for campaigns in progress or new items in general. I have another one for.

C

You always do so. uh You might have seen the blog post regarding dr shim's removal in the upcoming 1.24 release. um So preliminary results from the survey is people are still very much not prepared for it. um So one of one of the big things is, like you know, using cri, ctl and ctr, like some of the container d tools and some of this stuff um and like I've, talked to like chris, a at the cncf um and so like.

C

We need to like update our own documentation and our own like migration guides, but this will also be something for, um like the cncf ambassadors and other people like in this group to try and socialize some of the like migration. You know material, um okay and then the other thing is is like a lot of people. Don't still don't understand why we're removing docker shim and how much it actually like a uh it is a.

D

C

Dependency that has had multiple security vulnerabilities that we haven't been able to deal with, um and it's blocking features that are currently under development. um So there's likely going to be a blog post from or they'll need blog post assistance. This will be from sig node, uh regarding framing and trying to just like convey the message that you know hey.

C

You know we're still doing like. We still need to do this. We can't you know punt it further, um so we will need you know general, like social support on that sort of thing. um It's also an opportunity for other people to like create tutorials and do other stuff, not using docker.

C

For for this sort of thing, one of the most common use cases is like building images in a ci pipeline where people mount like the docker sock um and instead they should use something like you know, canaco or I think I think, build x, docker's build x can do it now like in a container but like there are. There are alternatives, and there are solutions for this. Yes, it's just they aren't generally being used. I.

A

Wonder if this is one of those opportunities, I've always thought about this right, where we have people from literally every hyperscaler here on the call like if we could reach out to you know, I know I could reach out to my team and be like hey. How would you do this on aws right, using aws tooling, for example, right, like I've, already kicked that off internally?

A

Okay, cool awesome right like let me know if you need help with that, because I know that I know enough red hat people to make that happen too, and I know the process there as well. So it's the same with like the vmware people, so.

C

I, like outside of you, know even us, the like the big vendors um additional support, just like I, I think a lot of the big vendors are a bit more prepared for this, because they have the support staff yeah, but a lot of the people that you know are managing their own cluster, like cube, adm um and how you know they can migrate. How do they use these tools instead of using docker to look at this stuff?

C

um How do you configure like this sort of goes? You know beyond kubernetes a little bit, but it's like how do you configure falco to use? uh Can the container d instead of the the docker sock? um So that's. Why, like I've, also been brought this up with the cncf?

C

um There will also probably be some upcoming changes to the ck and ckd exam, um but that's going to be more of a long-term thing.

A

Sorry, someone just teamed me something important. um Also thank you ray for all the all the notes, yeah.

C

A

Kidding this is one of those meetings. um We definitely had to have a note taker. The the thing that concerns me is that, like we're gonna do this, and even though we'll have plenty of examples I'm concerned about- and this is a greater, probably release team question- like is 123 going to be an lts potentially as a result of this.

A

Well, there are people still that are still on. You know.

C

Like we are kicking people.

A

Off at 115 right now so yeah I get you.

C

um And you know honestly, like it's, not not the project's place to support lts. If you want longer term support, then then go to a vendor fair um we've. We already delayed this an entire year, so I.

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C

I know the I think the like my my gut feeling is largely that the people that haven't migrated or don't have a plan to migrate. Yet um I honestly wouldn't do it until like.

A

You'll have to drag like.

C

Kicking and screaming.

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C

uh There are also some other comments I can say, but not while this is recorded same.

A

Likewise um so yeah, maybe we should have a smaller audience discussion at some point. um Yes, that's disconcerting that people are not ready to such a degree.

C

Yeah, to give you an idea of the datadog survey said that it was like ninety percent of people are still using dockership um actively. I mean how do they know.

A

Right, like I mean because uh datadog is a monitoring agent. Well, no! No! I know that but like are they really using dr sham? So how does datadog determine that is kind of my question.

C

They can tell by like the ap honestly.

A

Yeah: okay, jesus, like several.

C

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C

Yep um wow again, we don't have to worry so much about the the I'm. Sorry you want you unmuted. No, it's right, but it's my tap function on my oh okay, sorry! I thought you had a comment um so yeah and a lot of those will be taken care of by the cloud vendors when they push people to community.

C

um So our focus shouldn't necessarily be on, like it'd, be good to get support from them.

C

But a lot of the small medium people that might be rolling their own are going to be the people that need the support right.

A

I see kubernetes consultants everywhere their eyes are lighting up um yeah.

A

This is a great way to start a new business. Folks, just gonna point that out there.

A

Any other comments on the docker shim removal and yes, we'll definitely need to coordinate.

E

There is the um under under the k website, there is a migration dock in place by a fairly new contributor. It's still in the works, so it's still being reviewed. Okay, cool.

C

That's good. The the cncf has also promised uh additional tech writer support to help update all the kubernetes docs for container d. Well, I don't say container d, but for docker less.

B

Yes, actually, I guess this help is required, because I am presently working on one of the talks which essentially guides you to you know how to drain your node stop drain, not remove docker, seam and put container d in place that has been in work in progress. For me, I have prepared the pipeline, but I'm unable to verbose it like you know, detail explanation.

B

So that's still in work in progress. For me, I haven't even able to put it for review because I myself feel that it's incomplete, but cla commands and pipeline is all in place, but you know that our doc support will be very essential.

C

Cool cool, thank you.

A

All right moving along unless anybody has anything else check there. Okay, cool um improvements updates to work in progress. Anybody got anything on the task board. They want to talk about.

A

Meet our contributors, hippies working on that with a bunch of other people. I think.

A

Doesn't look like any of those people are here: okay, moving on um nothing in progress, one in review, so that's that.

A

And uh all right calendar walk. Let's look here, real, quick, anything coming up next! Well, next week's thanksgiving here in the states, so it should be a light week in general.

A

But it's not thanksgiving everywhere.

A

Assuming there's nothing significant coming out of release right now,.

C

Code phrase just happened: yeah.

E

We got a code phrase next tuesday is test phrase and the first release. Candidates cut nice, okay,.

C

On the calendar thing, should I cancel next week's meeting.

C

A

Ju I mean I don't know how many people I don't know show of hands or whatever, but.

A

Yeah I mean I can be at it, but I'd rather not be to be honest with you like. I need. I need some time off folks seriously right, like so yeah.

A

I would yeah, I would just cancel it, be honest with you and if anybody has anything, just drop it in the sig controvex meetings channel and update issues accordingly,.

A

Cool uh moving along moving along any new uh stuff people want to talk about they're working on anything oops.

F

uh I'm running a cloud-native hackathon. You can check this out.

A

When is that happening.

F

I uh it's it's on 9th, so I talked to bill and everyone and uh yeah we're ready, ready to go excited.

A

Cool, are you doing that on cloud native tv, too, or.

F

uh I I'll do a little bit of highlight on my.edu stream. Okay, I'm still I'm still waiting for, like uh in the slack channel. There hasn't been much discussion around this season too, so I believe everyone was taking a long, long long break so nice yeah, okay, once the season two kicks off and let's see awesome, we were also giving away like the kcna coupons, I think 15..

F

So nice yeah nice.

A

That's fantastic good for y'all. That's awesome! This looks fun. I like the website.

F

No thank you. I made that.

F

A

A

Notes, I'm sorry. People are just not respecting my away message right now, so it's super fun. um Do you need any support? Their canal.

F

um Good to go, I think I think I'm good to go.

A

Let me know if you don't need signal boosting and I.

F

Can read yeah just like uh on social is like that should be fine like pretty natural stuff, but overall, I think we're good to go.

A

Cool yep, all right, um we haven't talked about seo yet, but I haven't gotten access to the google search console thingy somebody has access to. That, though, is it you bob yeah? Can you delegate? Did I send you the dock, to delegate.

C

Well, I should say um I paris is the only access right now, because it's under the contributors account and the 2fa is now tied to her.

A

Fun all right, all right, I'll, just ping paris um and send her the instructions to do that.

C

We need to resolve the 2fa issue anyway,.

A

Because there's all things have to log into control like that yeah! That's! That's kind of critical for kubernetes in general!.

A

But yeah okay cool good to know. um As far as like we've we've discussed all the work. That's been done at this point. It's one of those things where it's like.

A

We just need to inspect the contributor site itself, like I have some tooling that we can look at make sure everything's good there make sure everything's good in search, console and then just get more links right, like a link building campaign is not something that's recommended anymore, but we can definitely just like ask folks, like, if you say, you're a contributor to kubernetes somewhere on your website. Just link to kates.dev that'd be helpful, um but yeah other than that. That's all I can think of there.

A

And if my memory serves me right, that's it for the meeting.

A

Anybody got anything else for the group. I didn't.

F

A

But go ahead! Sorry.

B

Yeah uh I'll be working on the github actions uh issues this week for the contributors to it thing yeah we had a. I had a small session with rajula, so yeah he's been helping me with it.

B

I've been working around the ci cd pipeline, I'm learning through the process, so yeah I'll be getting it done by this week or next max next week at least one of the do it.

A

Yeah awesome, no, that's great good to have people in there that more people in there that know how to use the automation um was supposed to do this at the beginning, but forgot uh any new people here on the call that want to introduce themselves.

A

Please feel free.

D

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D

Hello, everyone I am gupta and I'm a final year, computer science, engineering, student from india and I'm currently working as a technical writer, internet cloud, recorder, technologies and yeah. This is my first meeting I'd love to meet you all and looking forward for the contributions. Thank you.

A

You said you're a technical writer, you're gonna have some contributions.

D

A

Nice very nice to have you here, though, thank you for joining us. We really appreciate it.

A

Anybody else. New ashi, actually tagged herself as new in the uh attendees talk, but I think everybody else has been here before all right. Well, the fastest 30-minute meeting we've had bob. If you want to hang around, I guess we can talk on recording I'll stop now. So thank you all for joining. I will see you in two weeks because network next week is going to be cancelled.