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[SIG ContribEx] Weekly Meeting for 20220413
A
Howdy
everybody:
this
is
the
april
13th
meeting
of
sig
contributor
experience
of
kubernetes
we
are
recording
in
this
meeting
will
eventually
be
posted
on
youtube,
so
act
accordingly.
A
Also,
please
act
in
accordance
with
our
code
of
conduct
and
be
excellent
to
each
other.
With
that,
let's
go
ahead
and
get
started.
The.
A
B
I
mean,
I
think
I
know
most
people,
but
if
not
I'm
joseph
sandoval
and
I've
been
an
emeritus
advisor
for
kubernetes
125
been
around
the
community
for
a
long
time,
and
I
could
work
for
adobe.
That's
about
it,
but
hello
to
everybody.
Okay,.
A
Cool
I'm
josh
burkus.
I
work
for
red
hat.
I've
been
around
contributing
experience
forever
or
as
long
as
there's
been
contributor
experience
anyway
ray
you
want
to
introduce
yourself.
C
Yeah
I'm
ray
was
the
123
release,
lead
the
sig
docs
co-chair.
I've
been
around
the
community
for
a
little
bit.
I
just
I
like
to
partake
into
the
with
the
disc,
with
with
your
backs
and
help
out
with
the
marketing
folks
as
well.
Okay,.
D
A
Okay
and
let's
do
one
more
mottov.
E
Hi,
my
name
is
madhav.
I
work
at
vmware.
I've
been
in
the
community
for
around
one
and
a
half
years
now,
and
I
mainly
do
I
mainly
try
and
help
out
with
onboarding
mentoring
and
github
management
for,
like
contrabax
other
than
that.
I
work
largely
in
like
api
machine
iterative
things.
So
like
it's
nice
to
be
here
and
nice
to
see
you
all
again.
A
Okay,
great,
I
the
just
want
people
to
feel
included
here,
the
so
let's
go
into
events.
Do
we
have
anybody
here?
Who's
been
working
on
office
hours.
A
No
okay,
well
we'll
punt
that
for
now
so
community
meeting
laura.
F
Yep,
I
left
a
couple
notes
in
here.
So
there's
a
pull
request
open,
it's
just
the
role
handbook
and
some
updates
to
the
community
meeting
page.
I
just
need
to
move
one
of
the
files
to
a
different
directory
based
on
paris's
suggestion,
so
I
was
actually
just
in
the
middle
of
doing
that.
So
that's
almost
done.
If
you
want
to
read
more
about
various
roles
for
the
meeting,
it
should
all
be
now
up
there
and
ready
to
go.
F
We
have
all
the
topics
for
the
next
meeting.
They're
gonna,
be
the
team,
lead
separation
proposal,
the
terms
for
chairs
proposal
and
annual
reports,
so
I'm
just
nailing
down
who's
going
to
be
there
in
terms
of
the
expert
for
each
topic,
but
that's
pretty
much
done
all
ready
to
go
for
for
this
next
one
coming
up
and
I
unfortunately
will
not
be
here
for
the
april
meeting.
I
have
a
trip
I
have
to
take
out
of
town
for
family,
so
I
am
looking
for
a
host
ushers
notetakers
and
a
zoom
owner.
F
The
person
who
actually
takes
the
host
key
puts
it
in
turns
on
the
recording,
turns
off
the
recording
all
that
fun
stuff
that
all
is
in
the
roll
dock.
I
post
that
up
a
while
ago,
I'm
gonna
bump
it
again
right
now
in
the
contrabax
slack
channel
and
then
I'm
going
to
call
for
hosts
later
today
in
the
general
contributor
channel.
So
if
you
are
interested
I'd
love
to
have
a
chat
with
you
about
that,
so
that's
like
the
the
really
really
short
fast
update
folks
have
comments.
Questions
go
for
it.
A
Okay,
have
we
come
up
with
sort
of
any
ideas
for
continuously
collecting
topics
for
the
community
meeting.
F
There
is
still
an
issue
open,
I'm
just
waiting
for
people
to
comment.
E
E
But
it's
nice
to
hear
that
like
they
do
have
something
working
and
like
after
polishing
things
up,
we
should
be
all
ready
to
like
open
it
up,
get
more
feedback,
etc
so
that
at
least
something's
moving
forward.
So
that's
a
good
thing.
A
E
Yeah
yeah,
I
I
assume
that
we
would
need,
like
you
know,
like
only
these
set
of
folks
can
actually
you
know
like
if
only
these
set
of
folks
tag,
something
only
then
it
actually
goes
and
updates
a
list
of
topics
because
then,
like
there's
high
potential
for
like
not
related
content
for
us
to
filter
out,
but
like
we
can,
we
can
discuss
the
specific
set
of
data
point.
Things
can.
G
And
google's
trying
to
help
me
right
now,
so
at
this
point,
are
we
to
the.
G
A
So
yeah
contributor
summit
we're
continuing
to
plan.
We
have
social
events
scheduled.
We
have
the
basic
idea
of
the
program
which
is
going
to
be
unconference-centric
the
we
have.
We
are
extremely
fortunate
that
nigel
brown
will
be
able
to
make
it
to
valencia
and
so
he'll
be
our
content,
lead,
which
is
terrific,
because
we
did
not
have
one
previously.
A
The
and.
A
And
we'll
get
all
of
that
rolling,
I
mean
it's
going
to
be
relatively
low
key
because,
like
los
angeles,
we're
not
expecting
hundreds
of
people
like
we
had
prior
to
covet.
On
the
other
hand,
registration
is
up
from
what
it
was
for
los
angeles,
it's
higher
than
it
was
substantially.
A
The
so
starting
next
week
we're
gonna
start,
so
I
mean
first
of
all,
you
know
be
aware.
Registration
is
open
and
share
that
out
to
people
and
second
starting
next
week,
we're
going
to
start
soliciting
attendees
for
other
things.
A
So
next
week,
we'll
solicit
people
for
to
start
thinking
about
topics
and
to
see
if
they
want
to
schedule
sig
meetings.
So.
G
Actually
sig
literally
just
asking,
could
you
restart
a
channel
if
they
could
schedule
a
sig
meeting.
A
Yet
I
need
to
work
with
nigel
on
on
setting
up
a
form
for
people
to
put
stuff
in
the.
But
yes,
we
definitely
want
people
that
we
have
a
room.
We
want
people
to
schedule,
zig
meets
so
the
so
if
that
wasn't,
if
that
wasn't
in
the
last
couple
hours,
you
can
tag
me
on
that
or
tag
nigel
on
that
even
better.
A
Sig
docs
is
planning
on
having
a
day
long
doc,
sprint
in
in
one
of
the
rooms
and
and
that's
it
the
and
we're
talking
about
activities
for
the
party
and
a
bunch
of
other
things.
So
as
always,
we're
happy
to
have
volunteers
to
help,
even
on
the
day
of,
because
there's
a
certain
number
of
shuttling
people
around,
although,
like
I
said
it's
going
to
be
low-key,
so
there's
not
going
to
be
a
whole
ton
of
stuff
compared
to
san
diego.
G
North
america,
this
year,
something
you
might
want
to
consider
jumping
in
on
sooner
rather
than
later
with
that
are
there?
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
regarding
the
summit,
so
I
had.
E
More
of
a
suggestion,
if
that's
okay-
I
don't
know
if
the
chairs
and
tech
leads
meeting
happened.
Yet
I
kind
of
lost
track
of
time
there.
But
I
like
this
is
something
that
I
just
like.
It
came
to
my
mind.
Right
now,
would
it
be
helpful
in
maybe
recommending
signatures
and
tech
leads
to?
E
You
know
like
go
through
the
help
intersection
of
their
annual
reports,
as
if
at
all,
they
are
organizing
a
sig
meet
and
greet
at
contributor
summit,
mainly
because
we,
we
might
have
a
good
number,
and
some
of
those
folks
might
want
to
you
know
like
get
started
somewhere,
and
I
know
a
few
things:
don't
have
the
bandwidth
to
do
that
on
slack.
A
Yes,
it's
still
the
exact
location
and
time
slot
is
still
tbd.
It's
gonna
be
during
one
of
the
lunch
periods
but
the,
but
they
need
to
figure
out
which
one.
A
Yeah
so,
and
that's
definitely
a
good
idea
to
update
the
help
wanted
if
they
can,
does
anybody
want
to
such
as
you
want
to
volunteer
to
try
to
get
the
word
out
to
the
leads
and
say
hey
in
preparation
for
valencia,
because
we're
gonna
have
this.
I
mean
I
guess
that
would
be
part
of
the
run-up
to
the
sick,
meet
and
greet.
G
Yeah
and
we
we
had
the
first
leads
meeting
on
tuesday.
The
second
one
is
tomorrow,
so
we
can,
we
can
mention
it.
I'd
also
say
like
send
like
send
a
maybe
separate
issue
to
the
leads
mailing
list,
or
you
know,
take
one
of
the
messages,
we're
gonna
blast
out
to
everyone
and
then
just
add
a
little
tidbit
about
that
in
bold,
for
the
leads
one.
G
Any
other
questions,
comments
regarding
summit
or
kubecon
planning
and
all
the
other
fun
stuff.
G
H
I'm
still
looking
for
one
person
to
help
us
out
with
group
mentoring
coordination.
I
have
two
people
now
who
can
do
it
just
sparingly,
so
I'm
looking
at
both
of
them
as
one
person
so
definitely
need
at
least
one
more
for
folks
who
are
on
the
line.
We
do
group
mentoring
for
owners
roles
like
reviewer
and
approver,
and
things
like
that.
H
I'm
trying
to
focus
very
hard
this
year
on
growing,
more
owners,
and
this
is
a
very
good
way
to
do
it.
So
I'm
looking
for
people
to
help
the
there
is
an
issue
out
there
that
I'll
link
in
the
chat
I
just
sent
it
out
on
the
mailing
list
as
well.
H
It's
like
a
reminder,
so
it
does
have
like
time,
commitments
and
like
what
you
would
be
doing
and
things
like
that,
but,
ideally
just
acting
on
behalf
of
contribex,
with
coordinating
groups
of
people
in
different
cigs
to
do
a
thing
together
for
like
three
months,
it's
the
tl
dr
meet.
Our
contributors
is
still
on
hold
slash,
getting
bundled
into
office
hours
with
cncf,
which
we
still
need
to
follow
up
with
cloud
native
tv
on
to
see.
H
What's
going
on
there,
I'm
trying
to
think
of
what
else
I
still
need
to
sunset
the
docks
for
the
one-on-one
buddy
program,
since
that
was
not
successful
and
I
think
that's
it.
G
Cool,
thank
you.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
regarding
mentoring.
A
Other
thing,
I'm
mentoring,
which
is
I'm
going
to
try
next
week
to
start
doing
asynchronous
meetings
for
the
mentoring
group
marty
is
trying
to
come
up
with
something
that's
going
to
work
for
asynchronous
meetings,
just
because
we
did
a
poll
of
who
could
attend
a
meeting
when
and
it
did
not
come
up
with
any
useful
time
slots
like
like
we
couldn't.
Even
we
couldn't
even
come
up
with
two
meeting
time
slots
that
alternately
worked
for
the
overlapping
groups
of
people,
so
we're
going
to
try
to
more
seriously
make
asynchronous
meetings,
work.
G
Oh,
I
will
check
that
after
this
okay,
that
takes
us
over
to
community
management
which
is
currently
empty.
Did
anyone
have
any
issues
they
wanted
to
raise
with
this.
G
H
H
Sig
leads
some
of
them,
love
it
honestly,
meaning
like
some
of
them
love
updating
their
uploading,
their
own
videos.
They
think
it's
wonderful
and
most.
H
Kind
of
like
therapy
out
of
it-
I
don't
know,
but
like
they
love
it,
others
hate
it.
Never
update,
come
to
us
to
let
like
six
months
worth
of
videos
which
obviously
for
open
source,
isn't,
like
you
know
transparent
when
you're
uploading
a
video
from
like
last
august,
so
yeah.
We
really
need
help
in
this
area.
When
I
need
help,
I
mean
like
40
hours
of
someone's
attention
to
do
this
to
like
work
us
up
a
solution,
because
all
the
out-of-the-box
solutions
don't
work
for
us,
because
we
have
40
zoom
licenses.
H
H
It
is
hairy,
but
I'm
I'm
begging,
y'all
on
the
phone
right
now
to
see.
If
you
can
get
the
word
out,
get
help
like
nigel
other
people
have
been
like
you
know,
taking
at
it
like
one
like
15
minutes
at
a
time
kind
of
thing,
but
it's
one
of
those
projects
that
you
all
know
from
an
engineering
perspective
that
just
needs
dedicated
time.
F
So
we're
actually
building
automation
for
our
youtube
channel
using
queue
so.
F
H
F
It's
me
and
david,
so
I
will
talk
with
david
and
figure
out
where
we
are
and
whether
we
can
you
know,
take
care
of
both
at
the
same
time.
So
I
will
ask.
G
F
So
yeah
I'm
going
to
find
out
more
later
today,
actually.
F
G
F
F
H
Yeah,
I
even
told
matt
that
I
would
be
down
with
like
a
paloomy
blog
post
on
palumi's
site
talking
about
how
y'all
helped
us
out
like
that's
how,
like
I
never
say
that
on
neutral
stuff,
but
like
I
am
down
like
if
there
is
a
company
out
there
that
wants
to
take
this,
do
it.
I
will
literally
write
the
post
for
them
and
sign
my
name
and
put
it
on
their
brand
site.
Like
all.
F
G
F
G
G
Okay,
marketing.
J
J
J
So
if
there's
any
contributor
summit
stuff
that
needs
work,
let
me
know
and
I'll
try
to
make
sure
that
I'm
on
top
of
all
of
that,
basically
I've
gotta
do
some
get
some
kdev
emails
ready
to
go.
Get
some
tweets
ready
to
go.
I've
been
kind
of
watching
that
anyway,
so
it
should
be
easy
to
pick
up.
G
J
B
J
J
G
He
put
them
well
side.
J
G
I
just
lgtmed
it
thank
you
much
appreciated,
so
that
one's
done
yep,
and
if
something
like
this
happens,
you
can
you
also
have
the
power
to
approve
and
lgtm.
They
just
have
to
be
on
separate
lines.
J
G
J
You
any
other
release
stuff
we're
trying
to
keep
an
eye
on
as
well
just
to
make
sure
that
we're
tweeting
that
stuff.
C
A
Other
marketing
stuff
we've
got
a
couple
of
surveys
going
right
now.
The
release
cadence
survey
is
still
going,
and
then
we
just
started
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up
because
it's
been
hard
to
reach
the
right
people.
Taylor
is
helping
with
this,
which
is
the
survey
about.
A
A
I've
reached
out
personally
to
people
who
work
at
some
of
the
big
vendors
if
people
have
other
ideas
of
who
might
be
building
from
get
and
how
we
could
reach
them.
That
would
be
really
helpful
because
I
have
a
feeling
that
we're
just
not
necessarily
finding
these
people
to
address
them.
J
G
I
I
have
an
idea
poking
the
src
and
getting
their
distribution
list,
because
all
those
downs,
those
will
be
the
list
of
people
that
are
building
and
distributing
kubernetes.
A
G
Those
are
the
groups
that
are
getting
the
patch
notifications
ahead
of
time
to
build
and
deploy
before
you
know,
cve
is
announced.
Okay,.
G
G
It
in
k
community,
if
you
go
to
committee,
it's
like
security
response
and
I
I
don't
remember
their
name,
but
someone
from
red
hat
is
on
it.
If
you
want
to
ping
them
internally,.
G
J
G
That's
it's
all
good.
Does
anyone
else
have
any
questions
comments
for
comms.
K
You
have
an
update
here.
I
don't
really
have
a
whole
lot
of
stuff
to
update
on
this
week,
except
that
I'm
sorry,
my
phone's
very
noisy.
We,
I
think
the
last
of
the
pull
requests
that
I
had
queued
up
is
kind
of
like
almost
through
all
the
way
and
which
means
that
I'll
start
I'll
start
working
on
a
bunch
on
a
few
others.
I
think
I've
got
a
couple
other
big
ones
to
do,
and
then
we
have
the.
K
Yes,
yes,
so
yeah.
I
think
I
have
a
couple
more
documents
to
go
through
in
the
existing
contributor
guide
and
then
we'll
be
ready
for
that,
so
that
should
be
happening.
That
should
be
starting.
Probably
in
a
couple
weeks.
I
guess
nice
yeah
all
right,
that's
that's
all!
I
got.
G
Yeah
for
what's
what
I
think,
the
only
thing
left
on
the
other
pr
is
fixing
some
markdown
links.
K
K
Cool
yeah,
I
think
the
other
problem
was
that
when,
when
my
aaron,
the
guy
was
working
on
him
with
when
he
did
the
conversion
he
like
copied
and
pasted
them
from
the
website
instead
of
importing
markdown.
So
they
got
all
of
the
extra
like
hugo
generated
links
in
them
and
stuff,
and
it
just,
I
don't
think,
there's
any
markdown
converter
in
the
world
who
could
have
managed
that
properly,
but
yeah
it'll
it'll
be
better.
The
next
next
round
will
be
better
cool.
G
Don't
have
any
real
updates
regarding
the
contributor
site,
the
only
thing
that's
really
been
going
in
there
lately
has
been
stuff
for
the
summit.
Does
anyone
else
have
anything
sort
of
of
going
for
that.
G
Another
potential
contractor
thing
would
be
someone
to
actually
rewrite
the
converter,
to
take
my
terrible
turbo
bash
script
and
and
do
it
that
way-
and
I
also
just
remember
that
I
need
to
send
an
I
said-
I
would
send
a
list
to
or
an
email
to,
the
mailing
list
regarding
at
least
moving
the
guide
to
the
contributor
site
and
making
that
its
permanent
home.
G
Okay,
does
anyone
else
have
any
questions
comments
regarding
contributor,
docs,.
G
Okay,
that'll
take
us
over
to
github
management.
The
the
big
thing
in
this
space
is.
We
now
have
two
github
admin:
two
new
github
admins,
our
noaa
and
nabrun.
They
have
taken
over
for
aaron
and
eric.
G
E
I
recall
that
we
found
that
it
can't
be
fully
automated
because
of
there
being
comments
in
the
eml
files.
That's
one
thing,
but
at
least
to
some
amount
it
can
be
automated,
which
I
think
there
are
a
few
interview
comments
by
nikita.
That
number
one
should
have
to
work
through
and
it
should
be
done.
E
That's
one
thing.
The
second
thing
that
I
wanted
to
like
mainly
bring
up
and
ask
for
feedback
is
this
is
this
was
something
that
I
brought
up
in
the
github
management
meeting
last
week,
but
christoph
asked
me
to
like
bring
it
up
here
as
well.
It
was
around
so
last
contrabex
meeting
eric
had
discussed
splitting
the
help
wanting
documentation
into
help
wanted
by
like
six
and
you
know
the
actual
intent
of
the
health
wanted
label.
E
G
I'm
sorry
yeah
yeah,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah
yeah,
please
I
I
my
gut
take
is
they
probably
would
not
be
used
because
we
we
we
often
get
complaints
on
too
many
labels
already.
E
Yeah,
the
other,
like
the
other
question,
is,
do
we
want
two
levels
of
like
so
right
now
we
have
good
first
issue
and
then,
like
you,
know,
help
on
it.
Do
we
want
those
two
levels
is
always
good.
First
issue
enough:
the
main
reason
that
you
I'm
even
bringing
this
up
is
because,
like
during
all
of
the
firefighting
that
was
happening
over
the
past
two
weeks,
all
of
the
go
changes
that
caused
a
few
things
to
break
a
few
of
the
six
were
applying.
E
You
know
the
health
wanted
labels
and
even
though
we've
made
the
bot
comment
saying
that
okay,
this
is
what
the
label
is
meant
for.
This
is
what
the
criteria
should
be.
This
is
what
the
criteria
is.
Those
labels
are
still
applied
either
manually
or
through.
The
automation
and
a
few
contributors
reached
out
saying
that
hey
I
like
is
this,
actually
something
that
a
beginner
like
me
can
take
on,
because
it
doesn't
seem
that
way
and
that's
basically,
my
intent
of
like
bringing
this
up
like
this
con.
G
Yeah
that
one,
I'm
not
sure
I
know
at
this
point,
it
really
is
like
the
interpretation
of
perseig,
but
I
think
most
when
they
label
help.
Is
it's
not
like
there's
an
expectation
that
they're
already
at
least
a
member
and
have
already
have
some
knowledge
of
the
code
base
and
and
like
that
already
like
they
are,
they
are
not
looking
to
you
know,
providing
being
able
to
provide
some
context
and
some
guard
rails
on
the
issue.
G
That
is
the
only
thing
is
like.
I
know
a
lot
of
people
that
jump
on
those
help
wanted
issues
tend
to
be
better
suited
for,
like
the
good
first
issue,
ones
that
one
I'm
not
not,
I'm
personally,
not
quite
sure
on
in
terms
of
like
how
to
solve.
Does
anyone
else
have
thoughts.
G
Okay,
I
guess
like
at
least
you
know,
we
can
try
and
think
about.
We
can
try
updating
the
messaging
to
be
more
explicit
with
you
know,.
G
What
actually,
with
what
most
sigs
believe,
help
is
used
for.
K
A
the,
and
I
guess
one
of
my
questions
there
is
so
what
happens
if
we
get
completely
incoherent
signal
there,
where
we've
got
like
five
or
six
different
opinions
on
what
help
wanted
means
and
they
each
have
like
you
know,
15
of
respondees,
because
I
think
that's
a
distinct
possibility
as
a
result
of
the
survey.
G
Honestly,
I'm
a
little,
I
don't
quite
know
there
one
we
could
try
and
basically
limit
the
options
to
as
few
as
possible.
It's
just
like
you
know
help
wanted.
Do
you
expect
a
person
to
take
a
help
wanted
issue
to
be
a
contributor
with
some
experience
in
that
area?
Or
do
you
expect
it
to
like?
You
know,
try,
try
and
lock
it
like
scope,
each
option
down
ray.
C
K
A
Right,
like
you
might
have
an
issue
that
says
hey.
We
really
need
a
cryptography
expert
on
this
thing
and
and
then
that
would
have
a
help
wanted
flag.
E
Yeah
that
that
makes
sense.
So
if
that's
what
so,
what
george
said
made
sense
to
me,
if
that's
the
case,
then
updating
the
wording
itself
should
do
because,
right
now
the
documentation
says
it
should
be
easy
for
new
contributors
that
can
be
interpreted
in
multiple
ways,
one
of
them,
which
caused
the
confusion
that
I
just
mentioned,
yeah
so
yeah.
G
Yep
paris,
good
first
issue,
it's
easy
to
to
hack
and
or
you
have
a
mentor
help
wanted.
We
need
help
and
what
we
can
help
you
with
is
in
the
issue
that
has
generally
been
my
interpretation
as
well.
G
Okay,
we
are
t
minus
nine
minutes
left
so
does
anyone
have.
G
Okay,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
we
can
hit
the
open
items
so
release
t
so
please,
team
shadow
application.
B
Yeah
thanks
all
for
giving
me
the
time
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
raise
a
couple
things
that
we
are
coming
through
with
the
124
cycle.
We
found
there's
some
area
of
opportunities
that
we
want
to
try
to
improve
and
serving
as
the
emirates
advisor
this
time
around,
I
started
doing
some
digging
in
and
in
chat.
I
just
kind
of
dropped.
Just
some
gender
ratios
that
we
had
with
our
team
overall,
as
you
can
see
in
our
shadow
apps,
you
know
from
male
to
female.
B
We
almost
you
know
13
to
12,
so
I
felt
pretty
good
about
it,
but
then
we
also
start
to
drop
off
when
we
start
to
hit
leads
with
the
team,
and
so
the
other
area
where
I
think
we
are
facing
challenges
is
representation.
When
it
comes
from
latin
america
and
far
east.
We
know
that
part
of
it
is
probably
that
we
have
to
get
better
at
asynchronous
meetings,
making
it
more
easier
for
individuals
who
are
in
time
zones
that
meetings
may
not
be
very
equitable
for
them,
and
so
that's
something.
B
B
Is
you
know
how
do
we
amplify
this
opportunity
when
it
comes
out
so
that
we
get
more
applicants
from
women
and
then
the
other
area
was
when
we
go
in
selecting,
I
think
that's
where
some
of
the
challenges
comes
in
at
because
in
the
shadow
application,
if
you
look
at
it,
we
really
don't
identify
much
other
than
your
pronouns
and
I
think
as
we
go
into
it,
I
think
that's
an
area
where
I
really
was
challenged
as
the
emuratus
advisor
was
you
know?
How
do
I
help
these
leads?
B
Select
because
there's
always
these
default
biases
that
come
in
and
so
a
lot
of
my
conversations
are
around
like
try
to
you
know,
look
beyond
somebody
who
looks
like
you
or
from
my
area,
because
there
has
been
times
where
the
last
couple
cycles
I've
had
to
really
work
with
leads
to
realize
that
you
know
you
can
look
outside
of
just
you
know
where
you're
from
and
it's
really
good
for
you
as
a
team
as
a
composition,
and
then
the
other
piece
would
be
like
these
are
areas
where
maybe
we
could
train
leads.
B
I
know
we
have
like
inclusive
language
as
a
training.
Is
there
other
things
that
are
available
as
a
resource
to
help?
These
leads
be
able
to
understand
it,
because
I
think
some
of
the
conversations
I
had
with
individuals
was
the
nuance
nuances
of
it
and
just
really
helping
understand.
You
know
how
to
like
look
at
this
from
a
diverse
perspective,
so
that
we
make
this
team
truly
really
reflective
of
our
community.
So
it's
kind
of
in
a
nutshell.
B
I
know
it's
kind
of
broad
ray's
gonna,
be
our
incoming
emuratus
advisor,
I'm
working
with
them,
and
I-
and
we
both
have
you
know-
have
a
lot
of
great
conversations
and
around
this.
We
really
want
to
see
if
we
can
keep
influencing
it.
Another
net
positive
coming
into
125
out
of
the
six
leads.
Four
of
them
are
women.
We
may
have
a
potential
fifth,
so
we've
got
great
representation
and
we're
really
trying
to
see
you
know
to
make
this
team
really
reflective
and
make
it
equitable
for
all.
B
So,
just
in
that
show
and
just
would
appreciate
any
feedback
and
help
or
guidance
that
you
can
provide.
We.
G
There
are
definitely
some
resources
available
to
help
there
and
outlets
that
we
can
reach
out.
To
one
thing
I
will
say
at
least
in
terms
of
the
collection
of
that
information.
You
have
to
be
extremely
careful.
Pronouns
are
one
thing,
but
if
you
start
asking
more
questions,
it's
going
to
get
hairy
real,
quick
I've.
A
You
know
I've
been
an
advocate
for
bringing
back
video
interviews
for
for
shadows
and
that's
another
reason
why
the
video
interviews
are
good,
because
you
honestly
find
out
more
about
whether
somebody
might
you
know
enhance
the
diversity
of
the
team
than
we
could
with
any
number
of
survey.
Questions.
F
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
guess
I
would
bring
up
is
in
general,
it's
a
lot
harder
for
women
in
the
technical
space
to
get
the
time
to
come
to
meetings
during
the
day
and
then
after
working
hours,
it's
very
difficult
to
get
the
time,
especially
if
you
have
a
family,
so
part
of
it
is
going
to
also
be
reaching
out
to
companies
and
telling
them
you
know
like
hey,
you
need
to
make
the
space
for
it.
I
know
this.
F
I've
been
seeing
comments
on
twitter,
paris
about
like
seeing
more
companies
saying
like
hey.
This
is
how
much
time
you
get
to
contribute
to
open
source,
so
I
think
kind
of
encouraging
that
from
upstream
so
that
might
be
getting
your
past
leads
and
other
people
who
are
on
it
to
encourage
their
companies
to
continue
to
push
for
this.
F
I
just
know
that,
like
in
general,
I
find
that
a
lot
of
women
in
tech
don't
really
realize
they
can
spend
the
time
outside
of
getting
their
day-to-day
job
done,
especially
if
they
didn't
kind
of
go
through
like
a
more
traditional
pathway
to
get
there.
They
don't
realize
they
can
spend
some
of
that
time
during
the
day
to
come
to
meetings
like
this
or
be
part
of
it,
and
they
don't
realize
that
that's
a
benefit
to
their
career.
F
F
But
you
get
the
idea
like
it's
just
a
lot
of
trying
to
kind
of
deal
with
a
lot
of
these
hurdles
that
you
might
not
necessarily
know,
and
a
lot
of
people
who
come
from
a
diverse
background
in
general
are
going
to
have
the
same
problem
so
by
dealing
with
one
you're
going
to
be
dealing
with
all
in
a
lot
of
ways.
So
I
have
a
lot
of
other
statements
on
that
one,
but
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
G
We
can
continue
we're
almost
out
of
time.
I
wish
had
pinned
paying
attention
to
the
clock
a
bit
more
earlier,
but
yeah.
We
can
continue
this
conversation
in
in
slack
as
well
sounds
good.
Then,.
C
Ray
you
have
a
quick
thing
on
the
list:
yeah
it's
just
from
the
slack
thread
on
the
the
sig
country
box
channel,
but
the
release
team
shadow
reports
link
the
issue
there,
as
well
in
terms
of
publishing
or
making
this
public
these
available
reports.
We
also
have
an
opt-in
on
the
125
shadow
application
as
well
for
this,
and
I
sent
that
over
to
to
josh
to
take
a
look
at
as
well
yeah.
I
I.
A
Okay,
one
other
thing
I
couldn't
put
this
on
the
agenda
because
right
now,
google
drive
is
locking
me
out
the
I
I'd
like
to
get
approval
from
somebody
on
deb's
handbook,
for
somebody
to
be
in
charge
of
external
mentoring
programs.
G
Okay,
there,
it
is
since
we're
just
about
out
of
time
that
link
doesn't
have
anything.
G
F
G
G
I
am
just
going
to
drop
it
into
slack
real,
quick
too,
so
other
people
can
conceal
more.
I
will
take
a
look
at
try
and
take
a
look
at
it
later
today
as
well.
We
are
out
of
time.
Does
anyone
have
anything
else?
They
want
to
sort
of
shout
out
right
now.
G
Okay,
then,
I
will
see
you
all
around
the
internet
later.