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From YouTube: Mentoring Sub-project Meeting 20200109

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Monthly Mentoring Sub-project Meeting for 20200109

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Oh all, right, hello. Everyone welcome to 2020s first episode of the sub-project meaning for mentoring, planning and initiatives for kubernetes.

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My name is Paris, as always: I'm going to copy and paste the agenda inside of the zoom chat, we are using the same contributor experience agenda just because we haven't really outgrown that yet or had a need for it. So please put your name there. My name is here: I'll put your chocolate rin. Who else is here your Samuel? Withdraw your.

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Okay, all right I've got everybody down all right. As always, we have a code of conduct, please be excellent to each other if you'd like to speak and someone else is speaking, feel free to just raise your hand or say something in chat and we'll come back to you if there's any new contributors that are on this call right now, meaning you've never been on this call before or if you've never been on a kubernetes cig call before please feel free to introduce yourself after we do quit stand ups.

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This is just like a little heads-up that we'll do some introductions later if we would like. So, let's get right into it. First things. First, as always, we do a quick stand up about some of our programs that we already have in place, or at least have titles and their work in progress. So this round we're gonna do meet our contributors, outreach, e group, mentoring, one-on-one, our pod mentoring and then any other discussion, so things like contributor playground, G, sock, etc.

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That aren't necessarily in motion right now and then we'll do the open, mic discussion and contributor intros. At the end, does anybody have questions about the structure for today.

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All right and also I do see yours cursor live there. If anybody has anything to add to the agenda, it is extremely open. Right now feel free to add anything that you'd like to discuss, or if your, if you are working a program that I didn't list there, that should be listed, please feel free. I may have just just had some oversight there. All right meet our contributors. We did meet our contributors yesterday.

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Actually, it's usually always a lovely time, I think for the panelists anyway, I think users have some issues and I say users as far as Watchers I'm, sorry, so Watchers of the program I think have some issues, because sometimes we go out of context and people sometimes get lost, and things like that, so I'm trying to figure out ways where the host can either build off the context or something like that and also I'm trying to figure out how to make this last DIY and whether that's Google buying us equipment or CNC F purchasing us equipment or what would I personally do it, because I need to probably for my professional career I, don't know if something needs to happen to where this is a little less DIY and a little bit more professional, because I think we'll reach more and actually have a little bit more quality for those on the line that don't know what meet our contributors.

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Is it's just a once a month program where we answer upstream questions and I'm, also in the middle of doing a how to have like a draft how to dock in case things like happen? We're December I got ill at the last minute and couldn't host at the last minutes at George and many other folks just kind of jumped in and figured stuff out. So that's it for updates. As far as meet our contributors is concerned, any questions comments or concerns. As far as meet our contributors.

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The other thing is I wanted to get a doodle out. I know everybody's, like, oh god, I'm taking some notes now, not another doodle, but I just want to make sure that the majority of the contributors I want to take advantage of something like meet our contributors that were actually hitting them like at the live moment, because it's really fun when we have more people live with us and not necessarily watching the recording, so I want to throw in a doodle and make sure that we're being like the most inclusive we can be.

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With this time we did 7:30 a.m. Pacific so that we could just take the hit for it, not being you know, 8:00 to 5:00 Pacific and also to try to capture some include some of our European contributors.

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So more there TVD, if anybody's interested in helping me lead, meet our contributors this year. That would be great. I have a lot of big hopes and dreams for it. So, looking forward to 2020 questions, concerns comments.

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All right, everybody's, like that, was boring.

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Out ricci, we are in the heat of the Outreach II semester. We do have one outreach, he intern she's, not on the call right now she is hopefully busy sleeping or something of the sort in a different time zone and she's working on a couple things.

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One is the the beef and content of developer guide things like issues that are coming in where people are saying that stuff is not right, so she's been busy with doing content there and she's also been working on some of the contributor site stuff, so she's in the middle of pruning issues to make them more punch card, like so all the research that we did and been focus, groups and stuff like that, she was also making minimal adjustments to things like the events page she's, not making it she's taking the blind page out, and she is tonight giving me a timeline of when that she's gonna ready be ready to launch, hopefully within the next week, with just the contributor guide, the events page and something else that I can't remember, I'll, stop my hands and I'll.

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Look in the notes. I said anybody have any questions or comments about outreach e or the work that the show is doing other.

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Than to say, she's, absolutely amazing, oh my.

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Was like you made this like way too easy? Thank you like. Where do I send the check yeah no.

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I think the best.

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Thing that we could all do as a collective product unit is our project unit rather is continuously DM & Teller, what a wonderful job she's doing and also keeping focus I always tell interns or anybody just starting with kubernetes, that the biggest thing is keeping focus, because there's many things to do around you and it's like, oh, my gosh I- can solve that. I can solve that. One too I can do this like I, think marki, we see you or like I, can do all this.

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I've learned to be quiet.

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So I think the biggest thing we can do for any outreach intern or any intern on the project at all or any like any newcomer period. No matter what your experience level is is making sure that we like keep them focused. This was my hardest thing to you know. All boarding was I can do that too I'm keeping focused, because then we can ship things faster and things. So that's the outreach, e and I think we have her until March I believe so we still have quite some time and I'll also have her come on.

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The next call in February to so she's going to be embedded in contributor experience and they're gonna come to the meeting on the 15th as well. Do a little intro on the mailing list and things like that as well, and then Rin was at the page. I hoped her last year will have you live how exciting, yet so yeah you helped write a piece to the home page and now fish's busy gluing, all the pieces together and potentially even hooking us up with some behaviors or JavaScript. So we've got some things going on.

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So, thank you so much ring for that. I was one of the pieces of that puzzle. So I'm really glad that we'll see that live here shortly and any other outreaching like questions.

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All right, I'm gonna, skip group mentorian in one-on-one hour until the end for reasons pod mentorian, a cube con, that's coming up. I definitely need folks to help out with that. Actually, let me write that on the notes to just guess: it's not clear need folks to help out at Yukon bu.

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Paris will Paris and Tim will run one session need someone to run another Tim, pepper and I have been doing this for quite some time at cube con, and we do pod mentoring, meaning we pair three people up instead of one-on-one for multiple reasons, and so we need someone else to help us run the other session.

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The other thing I need to do is I, have a ton of instructions and communications and all kinds of things from the previous sessions that I want to collate into a doc like a how to doc and submit that into the repo as well, so that again, if I am sick during that cube, con y'all can just come on in and figure it out.

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Does anybody want or have any cycles or is interested in and helping out at a coupon Amsterdam with that session? I can obviously explain things to you and you don't over like the how to use anybody interested and I'm not also putting people on the spot I when you know there's a couple. People on this call so I'll also do a mailing list call as well. So if anybody decides that they have any extra cycles for Amsterdam and wants to help out just let me know: okay I.

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Can mentor again I think maybe what's.

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Wrong I can probably plug mentor again: okay, okay, well, I'll put you down as a probably better pack.

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Okay, what you don't is possibly written yeah all right, that's it for regular stand-up. Does anybody have anything that they want to stand up on, meaning things that you're working on currently that you want to give an update for ask for help etc. I have.

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One thing, but it's in regard to mentoring, so I'll wait to save it at the end. When we talk about that, okay.

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Anyone else people all right, so it looks like you are put some things down about G, sock and community bridge to E, or why don't you take it from here.

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Just a few quick updates, so Google's called the official Tina Turner on host next week on Monday, so CN CF will apply and also put the whales with with all the shittier projects. Obviously whiskey bananas as well, and we also had another pilot.

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We've started another Idol trans community bridge in December, and we currently have two students, two monkeys from communities. One of them is a person who could be an ultra doux student, but she went to the community bridge program, so we are making also the community bridges an eternity for.

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Who were unaccepted to move us on record or two until tricky? For some reason, if you're curious, we have nine. Ninety stood up for all city projects around so the coal business. Any questions that in this disturbance, thank.

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You for working out the outreach e intern situation. I appreciate that no.

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Problem Allah spell kana and that's the world we can do with Google's, who have gone to summary some some of the fears who will not be accepted to the dulcimer. We have a decadent community bridge and.

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Then your who's running the communications on the G sack stuff and do you need help etc, like meaning like getting the word out to K tab that she talks about to start? Maybe folks should start thinking about it like? Should we asked for help there or are you gonna, take point where's, Nikita, they're gonna, take point: what's up with that, I can.

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Do another making the communication and he of white and I'm also going to make an announcement to that to the maintainer so here proteins but I'm happy to do it committed as death as well. Yeah.

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I would please do anything that you have to write anything from scratch if you could, just like it, yeah well,.

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I have an email, yeah, yeah.

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Forensic email for the project maintainers, which will work for Cuba native support. You can maintain our sig leads and yeah.

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I would have definitely send a general kada of email too, because I know a lot of people that are not shares. Read that and then asked the chairs what's up with whatever they're doing so, okay cool, so I've got you down for owning comms there and then do you foresee any other help, or do you want to solicit any other help for any other thing, I'm.

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Okay, cool all right and then does anybody on the line have any other questions for a or as far as google, Summer of Code or the community bridge program is concerned.

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Alright, so that wraps stand-up thanks everyone for all the work there next step, if there's any new contributors on the line that halted a introduction until now, now it's a good time, would anybody like to give an intro.

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Hi, this is Ella this time. The first time joining this contribute. Major contributor meetings and I have some calls one on calls with Chris, George and sorry contributing to some of their really see a signal and other things. But I would be happy to be part of this contributor group and try to help as much as I can and on the daily basis. I work for American Airlines.

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Well, welcome I'd love to have you so just like a little high-level overview. This is like mentor planning stuff and we are trying to plan modern mentoring programs here, meaning not necessarily like the typical one-on-one like fill out a form, get matched with someone kind of programs. We have one, that's in the middle of like a work in progress state, that's kind of similar to that which is called the one-on-one hour, which you may see in the stand up.

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That's very work in progress and the reason why is it's actually a lot more workflow and automation involved than a typical one-on-one program, because one on one programs have a lot of administrivia overhead so like that that, like hey Rin, can you talk to me at this time? Oh no, you know two days later, Rin I can I'm busy like that kind of back and forth. So like the idea was to try to do something a little bit more automated, maybe with doodle inside of a github workflow.

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So you can find, if you're interested in, like automation and things like that inside of there's a group, mentoring and one-on-one hour, all kinds of like issues and things like that inside of the community repo.

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If that calls to you, that's awesome, I've been telling a bunch of my engineering friends at to because as soon as they hear mentoring, program, I think people are just like first, that sounds like humans and like a lot of program stuff, but honestly, some of the stuff I really want to make a little bit more automated like and then, like obviously worry about the human stuff. So it's like this is like a modern approach right. So if any of that sounds cool, please check out the community.

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Repo and added, like you know, come on come on in wherever you see fit cool.

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That's really cool yeah, that's really cool that the automation is helping and that, in that perspective, too, so yeah all right. I would like to check out that up and try to pitch in what I can yeah.

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Yeah in like owners files and like workflows there and stuff like that, like that's, always needed and helpful again welcome thanks for joining and Marky. Why don't you take it away from here with some of the stuff you wanted to talk about yeah.

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Tomorrow, I am meeting with a handful of people to go over setting up the mentoring automation. What we really want to do is try to address what are the tasks we're trying to accomplish and how we could not only identify each task for automation, but also how do we get this into the other SIG's for use? So there's.

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No, don't worry about the prototype together and then and then we'll tackle the buy-in and stuff like that, get it so that that should be like I think you were. Your end goal should be pruning issues that are like more punch-card and more of like the automation, stuff, and then second thing would be like do a quick prototype and then we can do. Then we can sell it to some of the SIG's okay, so I will a time. You all need anything seriously.

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Call me number one, but two we've done so much like research focus groups. Try before you buy with this.

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So if you literally, like I, tried my hardest to put all that stuff in the issues and I really think that the hardest piece is that, like arranging the time for all of this stuff, I know that sounds silly but like we like I've lost people in that process, like I've noticed, like I, mean I mean think Rin has gotten like I keep looking at Rin just because, like their face, is right next to mine, on the zoom on zoom. But, like you know, Rin is even like gotten frustrated with me.

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Trying to like you know, come up with a time to talk. Sometimes you know so. It's like I feel bad and then like in our environment with 30,000 people. It's like that just gets even harder when people sign up for these, like mentoring programs to do one-on-one so like if we can cut if we can figure out how to like get that get that done.

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I think we've got a huge leg up with just like some of that administrivia stuff and like hooking people up and like we had a lot of really good ideas with like using CI and like using labels and stuff like that on how to do that so anyway, and I don't want to take up the whole like we could literally do an hour on that. So that's awesome, I'm! So stoked is this like so stig folks or what no.

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This is actually one from to francis take the remaining are off from the community that I was just like. I tried to get enough people, so I was like hey. Do you want to do this? Then we were doing that? Okay, what time do you have, and this and finally I got everybody on board with tomorrow, so.

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There you can even see it yourself how hard it was getting people together to on a time. So that's why I'm like and then imagine the entire premise of mentoring is I cooking people up to do a thing.

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So that's why it's like the whole entire premise is built on people being helpful and like linking up at a certain time right, so that is literally the hardest piece there.

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So we played around with the idea of like having private repos for people file issues when they want to talk to people like they're, all kinds of stuff flew around and Rin I think it would be really helpful to have you into some of those conversations not necessarily doing anything, but one of the things that you know as we were, throwing around suggestions for, like especially like a group, mentoring or like the one-on-one hour, was the inclusivity of it, because I I understand like when people asked for help, but that might either be embarrassing or something along those lines.

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So I thought that's what we thought about maybe doing a private repo and like filing issues against a private repos, and then people can't see your stuff. But then people were saying that that seems exclusive, so like trying to figure out a balance there too. So maybe after Mark Ian folks prototype something me and you can kind of come in and and say like do some, maybe like trade offs and analysis, their pool.

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And Rin, if you would like to be involved in the call tomorrow, you are more than welcome. If you want just DM me your email and off forward G, they invite nice.

E

Awesome and Mikey Mikey, if you don't mind, if you can this for me, this one fella I also.

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Like to join and then it's automation, I think.

B

I already forward it to you, but just in the event that I didn't, can you just DM me your email address and, and my slack is Marky Jackson or one word all lowercase yep on it all thanks.

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And Markie, thanks for lazy, linking that mentoring board as well so yeah folks on the line. If you want to like see what's going on, we clearly have everything in process tons of stuff in the backlog and I'm, pretty sure, there's even issues on the board right now that our mentoring that aren't on this board right now.

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So if anybody wants to pick up any of this stuff, you're more than welcome I'm, pretty sure there's nothing but there's nothing blocked by me at this point, with the exception of some of those how to's and I'll even just get some bare bones: how to's in there so that we can get other people peeing peeing on them and getting them out of like a work-in-progress State.

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But we've got a huge 2020 ahead of us. I would really like to at the end by let's see, if I'm being a visionary, Boston I can't believe it's Boston, it's so cold, all Boston and like what November or something for Q Khan.

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It would be really cool if, like we get all present on stuff, that we've done from you know a mentoring standpoint with kubernetes, especially when it comes to modern mentoring, inclusive mentoring and like scalable mentoring, meaning like we're not relying on each other to do like one-on-one, mentoring for 30,000 people and even things like automation, like of like the people, elements and the workflows, because that's really cool and I know a lot of other projects, especially nodejs, and some other projects are looking at looking at us as kind of the change maker here.

A

So any other discussion points. If not, you have 20 minutes your life backs. I will.

B

Say that on that project board, if anybody does go in there and see something that they'd like to work on or shadow on or just get any information I will make myself available and I can accommodate any schedule whether it's early in the morning late at night, we can jump on a zoom. Whatever works I want to try to help many people as I. Can so please, even if you don't think you know what's going on trust me I, don't either.

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So we can not know together and then maybe get a little bit more knowledge together.

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That's awesome and same goes with me and anybody else on this line. I'm sure all right last call.

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All right, 20 minutes say your life back thanks so much everyone I'm, so looking forward to 2020 with you all. We've got a lot to do and let's keep racking and.

E

A small note from my site and thanks a lot you guys, are really awesome. I saw you guys personally yeah at the cube guns here, but it's a big wonderful opportunity that you guys are providing us to giving it to the community back and thanks a lot for making part of this.

A

Thank you for showing up that's the first step appreciate. It same goes with everybody on the line. Thanks thanks a ton for for being interested in this and wanting to see the community grow.

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All right see you soon, I think next month same time same place, and then don't forget this Wednesday. We do have a full contributor experience meeting. You don't need to show and if, unless you want to that's why the purpose of these sub project moody meetings are happening.

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So, if you're in a sub-project and only one thing out there and don't want to like do all of our meetings, then you don't have to either myself or Markie or Rin, or somebody can represent us in the contributor experience meetings when when they ask for updates cool, all right, see y'all soon, yeah everybody.

E

Online anything buddy. Thank you, see everybody Thanks.