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From YouTube: Kubernetes SIG Service Catalog 2018-09-10
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Agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17xlpkoEbPR5M6P5VDzNx17q6-IPFxKyebEekCGYiIKM/edit#heading=h.vk6l45jdi7vp
Mateusz Szostok & Piotr Kopczynski present work they are doing utilizing Service Catalog and PodPresets with Kyma https://github.com/kyma-project/kyma
A
A
Now
we're
take
three
weeks
off:
okay,
welcome
to
kubernetes
sting
service
catalog.
Our
agenda
is
posted
in
the
chat
here
in
zoom.
If
you
like,
please
put
your
name
in
the
attendees
so
that
we
know
that
you're.
Here
this
week
we
have
very
special
guests.
Peter
and
Matt
will
be
showing
us
how
they're
using
Service
Catalog
with
pod,
presets
and
I'm
super
excited
about
this
and
I'm
gonna
stop
sharing
and
turn
it
over
to
them.
D
D
Okay,
then,
first
of
all
we'd
like
to
introduce
ourselves
few
seconds
and
overall
we
had
some
discussions
with
you
about
the
pod
press
set,
how
you
want
to
go
farther
with
that
functionality
and
then,
with
some
communication
with
Jay
and
dark,
we
decided
to
do
a
presentation
about
what
we
are
doing
and
and
take
some
your
comments
about
that.
Mainly
we'd
like
to
show
you
what
we
are
as
a
Service,
Catalog
addons
in
our
project.
D
That
means
things
around
the
bindings
and
then
we
are
injecting
that
the
automatic
way
to
the
applications,
and
so
overall,
we
are
working
for
ACP
and
the
product
owner
in
the
really
quite
new
project,
which
we
started
almost
one
year
ago
and
mainly
I
am
responsible
for
the
service.
Catalog
Integra
and
some
brokers,
like
Helen
broker,
for
the
local
installation
of
the
some
components,
and
also
we
provided
broker
for
the
remote
environment.
D
Applications
which
mainly
we
are
working
on
kima
in
kima
itself,
is
for
the
connecting
and
extension
of
the
enterprise
applications
through
the
kubernetes
and
the
components
like
service
catalog
and
that
remote
environment
broker
easily
allowing
the
application
remote
application
to
registers
from
api's,
then
also
events
through
the
service
catalog,
and
mainly
I'm
working
on
that
montage.
Yes,.
E
D
Okay,
thank
you
Matt
and
I.
We
can
go
with
the
agenda
shortly.
I
will
I'd
like
to
introduce
you
what
those
two
new
custom
resource
definitions
really
means
through
the
documentation
and
show
me
why
operations,
because
the
UI
and
those
two
first
point
will
be
for
me,
then
matter
which
will
explain
more
about
what
that
binding
usage
controller
is
doing
how
it
work.
D
D
Right
now
we
were
forced
to
one
or
two
months
ago
to
move
it
out
and
you
who's
that
new
one,
because
we
got
the
requirement
be
able
to
run
our
system
into
managed
clusters,
and
so
of
course,
that
alpha
feature
is
not
available
there,
at
least
in
the
GAE,
and
we
are
not
able
to
start
our
solution.
Okay,
then,
let's
go
with
a
short
thing
that
we
were
open
sourced
to
our
project
two
months
ago
and
last
two
weeks.
D
We
were
also
added
to
that
CNCs
landscape
with
our
project,
and
we
will
go
just
to
the
documentation
where
I
will
talk
about
that
features
and
in
the
Service
Catalog
we
details
of
the
provisioning
and
binding,
maybe
also
about
the
custom
resources.
Of
course,
we
are
using
everything
from
you,
a
really
great
job
for
the
namespace
classes
as
well,
but
we
already
integrating
that
in
our
system
and
besides
your
custom
resources,
we
provided
to
yo
the
service,
binding
usage
and
usage
kind
and,
let's
start
with
the
service
binding
usage.
D
First
and
I
will
talk
about
that
and,
as
you
see
on
the
left,
there
is
your
domain
where
we
have
that,
of
course,
service
instance
than
one
already.
We
can
create
service
bindings
and
then
we
find
out
that
we
need
something
that
will
inject
those
credentials
to
the
application,
and
we
realize
that
that
food,
the
service,
binding
usage
and
we
already
use
the
custom
resource
definitions
for
those
things
and
also
when
we
were
implementing
that
we
were
checking
how
you
are
doing
things
on
your
site
that,
for
example,
you
cannot
delete
service
instance.
D
That
means
we
are
able
to
inject
it
to
the
pods
on
the
deployment
right
now
we
implemented
that
new
thing,
which
is
called
usage
kind
and
that
custom
resource
by
that
one
we
can
really
define
the
end
application.
That
means
it's
mainly
about
the
information
for
the
put
preset
where
it
can
find
the
label
stuff
in
the
in
the
definition.
D
D
D
D
Let's
just
provision
the
instance
of
it
to
just
show
you
how
it
works.
We
also
have
that
input
parameters
from
the
API
with
nested
attributes
handling,
let's
create
it,
and
when
we
will
go
to
the
service
instances
view
we
see
that
the
new
guy
is
provisioning,
I
already
prepared
one,
which
is
the
Redis
and
also
at
the
end,
application
I
will
use
the
lambda
from
the
cublas.
My
prepared
short
lambda,
which
is
the
Redis,
client
and
I,
will
inject
service
binding
credentials.
First
I
need
to
create
them.
We
have
a
wizard.
D
What
are
we
creating
service
binding
and
service
binding
usage,
the
one
step
in
the
UI,
but
at
the
end
they
are
two
separate,
of
course,
custom
resources
for
that
and
let's
do
the
service
binding.
Then
I
can
pick
up
the
type
of
the
end
application,
which
is
read
that
usage
kind.
Let's
mark
the
function,
and
instance
of
that
function.
D
Okay
and
then
we
have
the
secret
from
you
and
also
in
the
lambda
itself,
see
it's
restarting.
Those
in
need,
come
tangles
from
cubes
or
doing
a
job
right
now,
so
it's
still
itself
the
sidecar
and
we
see
that
those
free
environment
variables
are
injected
and
the
same
we
can
really
easily
unbind
it
and
so
on.
Of
course,
we
will
include
that
as
well
the
UI
to
separate
relieve
you
for
the
bindings
and
service
by
Nick
usage,
because
also
we've
serviced
by
Nick
usage.
D
We
can
reuse
bindings
that
we
are
not
recommending
that,
but
there
is
a
such
possibility
and
either
even
some
other
system.
We
require
that,
okay,
that
that
was
the
short
demo
from
my
side,
Mata
or
you
could
you
can
continue
with
some
more
information
about
that.
Our
custome
sources
and
controller
it'll
yeah.
E
Second,
okay,
and
now
you
should
be
able
to
see
it
so
precarity.
Show
you
the
overview
of
the
service,
binding
usage,
and
now
I
want
to
show
you
in
details
of
the
architecture
of
the
binding
is
each
controller
because,
as
we
already
know,
we
are
using
their
custom
suit
definition
and
to
create
the
controller
for
it
and
scroll
down
to
the
diagram
and
what
we
can
see.
First
of
all,
we
have
the
street
mining
villages
which
we
are
watching
and,
to
section
of
you
use
of
all
is
the
service
binding
reference
which
are
the
reference.
E
This
is
binding
and
also
used
by
section.
It
says
which
resource
should,
which
will
use
this
service
bunny.
So
in
general,
where
we
should
inject
secrets
in
the
given
departmental
function.
In
this
case,
we
have
the
current
deployment.
When
mine
users
control
discover
such
cells,
binding
user
channel,
it's
deleted
created,
updated.
Then
we
checking
if
we
are
having
such
cell
usage
cap.
If
yes,
then,
we
are
creating
oppressor
and,
of
course,
we
are
creating
positive,
the
secret
reference
gutters
from
the
service
binding
itself
and
then
creating
their
banking
or
the
Lavos.
E
Here's
the
pattern
for
the
key
and
the
value,
and
after
the
at
we
applying
same
herbal
to
given
resource
in
such
case,
we
are
adding
the
rubber
to
the
deployment
under
this
path.
So
we
can
see
the
exactly
the
same,
and
under
this
popular
are
also
the
same
love
optional.
We
also
adding
the
annotation.
So
now
is
our
there
are
using
for
the
training,
and
example
is
here
we
are
having
their
binding
usage
name
and
also
injected
level
section.
E
We
have
their
rubber,
which
is
used
by
the
preset
for
the
purpose
of
functionality
and
also
another
level,
and
this
rubber
is
gathered
from
the
class
of
service
class
of
the
service
class,
because
when
we
are
doing
the
first
of
the
reconciliation
from
the
given
syllabi
a
huge,
we
also
check
in
given
classes
service
for
us
or
services
for
table
binary.
If
we
will
discover
there
the
binding
gobbles
the
section
of
the
bunny
rabbit
under
the
metadata,
then
we
are
fetching
all
those
data
and
adding
also
under
the
same
path
the
genetics
ocean.
E
E
Yeah
optional,
and
for
now
we
have
only
one
news:
peso
probably
will
be
extracted,
but
what
to
mention
is
that
we
are
using
the
purposes
from
the
service
catalog,
because
the
one
from
the
to
Burnett
is
was
in
the
Alpha
State.
So
we
could
create
the
manage
cluster
and
what
is
also
automation
is
that
we
are
supporting
namespace
broker
in
space
scope
brokers.
So
we
are
English
that
trust
and
service
class
and
the
service
class
itself.
So
let's
go
to
the
demo.
We
do
that.
E
E
Take
it
okay,
deployment
readies,
which
was
created
by
just
applying
there.
This
is
simple
young
eyes.
Nothing
special
here
and
what
I
am
to
do
is
to
inject
this
secrets
from
this
binding
into
this
deployment.
These
are
all
described
this
department
and
we
will
see
that
there
is
no
notation
of
the
capacity
self
and
what's
more,
there
is
no
information
about
other
additional
environments,
so
we
can
also
cream
the
environments
from
the
boat,
and
we
will
see
that
we
do
not
have
any
false
here
or
towards
it
will
be
in
a
second
added
here.
E
Okay,
so
to
do
that,
you
already
know
we
create
the
service
binding
usage.
Let
me
just
show
you
how
this
would
like,
and
they
are
so
we
added
two
new
customers
of
activation
and
it's
similar
what
you
already
saw
in
the
diagram
after
she
died.
One
two
sections
service
bindings
reference
and
use
by
the
youth
by
requires
that
we
should
have
some
music
is
already
in
the
cluster.
So,
let's
check
about
the
users
tank,
we
already
have
okay
with
a
shortcut
for
the
village
kind.
E
Okay
and
for
now
we
have
two
of
them:
14050
climate
and
another
from
the
function
who
is
not
so
enabled
so
I
will
show
you
which
young
works
applied,
were
applied
to
get
those
leadership
and
into
plaza
peers
of
deployment
and
is
the
name.
We
already
know
the
lapis
parkland,
where
we
are
using
it
and
the
display
name
it
was
used
on
the
UI
and
also
important
stuff
is
here
the
resource
she
we
are
defining
the
group
time.
E
The
version
is
required
to
create
the
generic
client
in
in
controller,
so
for
the
function
is
different
one
and
for
the
panelists.
So,
let's
back
to
the
series
vine
usage
between
it
one
more
time
and
let's
try
to
apply
it
so
before
doing
that,
I
will
watch
the
resources
with
the
people
in
Caracas.
Please
re-watch
the
preset
from
the
system
clock
the
next
production.
E
Okay
and
now
we
should
see
that
new
cities,
binding
village,
was
created
called
deeper.
Its
client
and
also
another
press
set
by
second
ago,
was
created
and
the
deployment
was
restarted.
So
now
we
automatically
shoot
to
eject
it
all
secretly
to
turn
the
planet,
so
you
took
this
board,
but
describe
it
one
more
time
describe
it.
Okay,
this
obvious
that
we've
had
the
professor
annotation
much
more.
We
have
also
added
our
level
with
the
use
by
distant
preset,
and
the
important
stuff
is
done.
E
We
injected
the
Reds
potential
as
a
variant
Paredes,
so
we
can
run
more
time
in
the
environment
paribas
from
this
poll,
and
we
will
see
that
new
environment,
like
cost
yeah
people,
see
us
for
the
readies.
You
can
see
the
red
estas
world
and
also
we
should
see
the
port
yeah.
Is
it
and
another
good
feature
we
do
outlet
now
is
about
their
projects
because
considers
top
scenario.
E
We
have
their
application,
this
application,
which
should
use
two
different,
the
tablets
and
we
will
and
when
we
will
eject
the
same
credential
one
more
time,
then
we
will
get
that
conflict
because
another
one
another
database
and
also
has
the
port
also
can
have
the
host
name.
So
there
will
be
a
problem
and
we
already
have
such
situation,
so
we
can't
believe
they're,
adding
environment
for
a
fix
into
this
binding
usage.
So
what
are
you
doing?
I
will
just
copy
the
basics
of
an
accusative.
E
She
works
nice.
What
we'll
do
we'll
create?
Another
service
span
usage.
Another
person
was
created
and
the
deployment
is
restarting.
So,
let's
try
it
one
more
time
and
what
you
can
see
is
that
not
other
capacitors
added
another
level,
but
the
important
stuff
is
that
another
Prudential
is
injected
beauty
even
practice.
So
we
will
have
no
collision
time.
Let's
clean
the
environment
where
it
is
okay,
and
now,
as
you
can
see,
we
have
the
up
beat
too
fast
toward,
and
the
red
spot
of
course
for
now
is
the
same.
E
But
in
the
replace
real
case
scenario,
there
will
be
two
different
database.
We
can
reuse
that
and
before
I
say.
Thank
you.
I
want
you
one
more
time
mention
about
why
we
decide
to
use
different
service
binding
and
cell
phone
usage,
because
when
you
are
creating
the
service
binding,
we
already
creating
the
secret
I
and
when
you
have
separate
seven
values
it
you
can
reuse
those
secret
in
server
application
and
already
Google
comes
with
the
same
situation
where
they
created
the
disappear.
E
Okay
and
they
have
situation
and
varrick
are
creating
single
service
account
for
given
domain.
For
example,
they
have
two
application
in
the
same
domain
and
they
want
to
share
the
secret
with
list
application.
When
we
have
the
separate
service
binding
a
certain
binding
usage,
you
can
do
that
without
any
problems.
We
will
do
that.
All
that
thing
either
one
resource
then,
can
be
a
problem
that
we
all
the
time
creating
musical
okay.
E
D
D
D
A
F
G
D
E
Yeah
because
important
here
is
that
we
started
around
one
year
ago,
so
we
have
all
different
strategies
needed
to
deploy
it
and
created
by
our
own.
But
now
we
see
that
Jeff
already
have
some
working
examples.
So
maybe
we
can
just
connect
your
ideas
together
and
have
something
working
under
the
box
with
assistive
work.
A
C
Yeah
I
can
give
a
brief
update
on
the
pod.
Presets
Jeff
did
a
lot
of
work,
as
you
know,
and
he
said
he'd
reach
out
to
you.
I
told
him
about
your
demo
today
and
he
couldn't
attend,
but
he
said
he
would
be
up
for
discussing
with
you.
Him
and
Paul
are
talking
with
us.
I
think
it's
see
this
again
after
see,
Sega
ap
I
can't
recall
which
about
finding
a
new
home
for
the
pod
preset
work.
C
Yeah
I
think
there
was
general
agreement
that
it
that
it
wasn't
specific
enough
to
belong
and
in
service
catalog.
So
there
is
a
desire
to
find
a
new
home
for
it,
so
definitely
reach
out
to
Jeff
and
I.
Think
there'd
be
some
real
enthusiasm
to
have
you
guys
join
him
with
that
effort
and
making
sure
that
we
find
a
good
landing
spot
for
it
and
drive
it
to
completion.
D
Thank
you.
We
also
think
that
that
is
what
press
it
should
be
still
satellite
right,
but
it
should
be
not
one
custom
resource
but
separated,
because
it's
giving
us
more
flexibility
with
that
that
we
can
reuse
one
service
binding
two
times
right,
because
it
will,
if
it
will
be
one
custom
resource,
then
we
every
time
we
need
to
create
a
new
secret
and
in
some
cases
it
could
be
a
blocker
like
much
only
that
DCP
integration.
They
are
suggesting
really
to
reusing
that
that
secret
I.
D
Yes,
because
some
everything
really
depend
on
if
those
two
solutions
or
separate
or
one,
because
if
it's
one,
then
it's
easy,
it's
one
CLI
for
that.
But
if
you
are
outside-
and
we
like
to
do
the
as
I
said-
unified
developer
experience
that
they
are
not,
they
are
really
working
with
service
binding
service
by
Anik
usages
through
that,
as
we
cut
a
CLI
I
was
thinking
about
because
you're
see
like
will
be
used
as
a
plugin
from
the
cube,
CTO
right
and
cube
CTO
as
be
cut.
D
Something
and
I
was
thinking
to
create
that
plugin
really
as
the
cut,
and
then
we
use
it
internally,
your
CLI
and
do
such
a
developer
experience
but
and
somehow
dogs
domains
are
so
separated.
That's
there
are,
no,
you
know
no
collisions.
Even
you
will
upgrade
something
really
with
big
changes
on
your
site.
Those
service,
binding
usages
are
quite
different
feature
that
they
are
just
need
service
binding.
That's
it.
They
are
don't
care
about
the
service,
instances
itself
or
classes
even
right,
too
much
and
yeah.
D
A
A
I
mean
that
they
are
removing
the
current
methods
for
making
cube,
CTL
plugins
they're
deprecating
it,
and
they
are
changing
to
get
style
plugins
where,
if
you
have
a
fine
on
your
path,
it's
called
a
cube,
CTL
and
then
foo.
If
you
type
then
cube
CTL
foo
like
this,
you
find
it
and
execute
your
your
binary
for
you,
but
it
kind
of
changes
how
things
work
and
what
we
have
to
do,
and
it
also
gives
us
more
options.
So
I
don't
know.
A
If
you'd
like
to
maybe
open
an
issue,
we
can
have
a
chat
about
what
commands
you
think
you'd
like
to
support.
We
can
figure
out
how
to
make
something
that
works
for
both
I'd
be
happy
to
engage
with
you
on
that.
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
heads
up
that,
like
the
whole
thing
is
kind
of
changing,
so
let
me
make
our
lives
actually
easier.
D
Okay,
that's
great,
but
I
also
heard
that
they
plan
to
store
that
cube,
CTL
plugins
on
the
server
side.
That
means
you
don't
need
to
have
them
download
it
locally,
but
they
are
somehow
somehow
available
in
the
given
instance
of
the
cluster
and
then
when
you
are
connected,
you
are
getting
those
plugins.
That
means
you
don't
need
to
install
everything
on
your
own,
but
it's
another
story
right
that
they
think
about
something
like
that.
I
haven't.
A
Seen
that
as
an
accepted
proposal,
yet
I
know
that's
been
kicked
around
right.
I
have
been
following
closely
for
the
past
two
months,
so
maybe
that's
more
reason.
I
know
that
I
think
it's
Google
has
a
project
that
they
just
started
called.
Oh
dear,
anyone
remember
what
it
was
called
it
like
helps.
You
ship
keep
CTL
plugins,
it's
like
a
plugin
manager.
Jonathan.
Do
you
remember
the
name
of
that?
A
Okay,
I
found
it
okay
sentence,
yet
just
your
where
they
reached
out
to
us
to
try
to
see
if
we'd
like
to
put
the
SP
cat
plugin
after
its
revamped
to
work
with
the
new
model
into
this
as
well.
So
just
just
one
make
you
wear
two
in
case
you
end
up
making
something
separate
from
svk
that
I
don't
know
this
needs
out
there,
and
people
are
actively
working
on
it.
I'm
not
sure
about
the.
D
It
and
those
are
such
an
open
question
because
in
Service
Catalog
you
have
many
alpha
features
right
like
put
press
it
itself
and,
like
you
know,
catalog
restrictions
other
stuff.
Do
you
see
possibility?
That's
such
a
things
like
represent.
That
could
be
alpha
feature
for
some
time.
I,
don't
know
how
did
you
had
such
a
bigger
contributions
like
we
presented,
or
rather
you
you
are
don't
want
to
do
such
a
stuff,
I,
just
I
just
asked
right,
because
how
to
maybe
do
a
next
step?
Somehow
you
see
if
you
like,
let.
D
Just
a
question
because
I
also
see
that
they
put
press
it
is
somehow
outside
has
a
separate
repository
right.
You
had
such
a
decision,
but
on
the
other
hand,
we
seen
that
put
press
it
as
alpha
feature
right.
It
was
generating
the
custom
resource,
but
without
the
controller
itself,
because
it's
currently
just
I
guess
working
on
that.
But
you
already
know
I'm
asking
about
the
scope
of
your
ap
ice
right.
It's
defined,
you
don't
want
to
go
farther
or
you
think
about
that.
Maybe
including
such
things
like
like
we
use
only
it.
A
Speak
for
the
whole
group
I'm
in
favor,
of
getting
things
that
meet
the
user.
Workflows
were
kind
of
support
in
scat
one,
but
I
don't
want
to
be
a
roadblock
either.
So
I
love
what
you've
done
and
you've
you've
worked
with.
It
I'd
be
perfectly
happy
to
meet
more
in
chat
and
maybe
work
out
a
proposal
and
have
the
whole
group
look
at
it
and
figure
out.
If
there's
pieces
of
it
or
more
or
like
how
much
we
could
we
could
bring
in
the
Service
Catalog,
but
I
think
null
asks
a
question.
D
That's
that's
really
important
question
that
may
I
ask
about
the
maintenance
and
right
now
with
with
kima
itself.
We
are.
We
want
to
more
and
more
contributes
to
do
the
project
around,
since
we
plan
to
do
that
constantly
right
now,
but
yeah
mainly
I
I
think
that
we
will
somehow
maintain
that
as
a
working
with
your
rights
then
but
yeah,
it's
many
other
things
like
like
it's
already
10:00
p.m.
D
A
Once
per
week,
we're
also
in
the
slack
Channel
quite
a
bit
and
other
ways
like
I'm
happy
to
you
know,
meet
off
one
off
if
we
need
to
on
a
more
friendly
time
and
other
people
may
be
up
for
that
too.
Okay,
that's
great
cool!
Thank
you!
So
much
does
anyone
else
have
more
questions
about
how
this
works
or
is
interested
in
being
like
yeah
I
wanna
get
involved
too
just
trying
to
encourage
people
to
do
work
for
us.
That's
all
my
name's.
A
I
want
to
move
on
to
one
more
piece
from
our
agenda
today,
which
was
some
of
our
proposals
have
been
around
for
a
while
and
they're
actually
implemented,
like
namespace
service
brokers,
but
we
saw
the
PR
open
and
the
PRS
are
marked
as
like.
Do
not
March
and
I
was
hoping,
maybe
some
of
the
other
chairs
like
dog
or
whatever
could
comment
on
like
what
do
we
do
with
these?
A
B
A
B
I
personally,
I
I,
don't
see
much
value
and
having
the
proposal
document
itself
living
on
I
would
think
the
documentation
for
the
maesters
brokers
should
have
all
the
information
that's
necessary,
because
if
there's
something
missing
from
the
documentation,
we
should
add
it
I,
don't
think
the
proposal
is
almost
stale
dammit.
It's
written
right,
so
I
think.
F
A
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'm
going
to
close
this
and
I'm
going
to
open
up
at
least
one
issue
that
says
we
need
to
mine
that
proposal
for
missing
documentation
and
get
that
as
a
living
document
in
our
own
Doc's
web
instead
I
think
it's
a
really
good
idea
of
a
look
at
it
just
so.
These
don't
keep
hanging
around
forever
and
people
get
confused
about
how
our
proposals
some
work,
not.
C
A
Right
I
have
Arthur
and
I.
Think
Jen
was
working
on
finishing
up
support,
so
that's
like
all
the
columns
are
displaying
and
telling
you
where
it's
coming
from
and
things
like
that.
But
it's
not
completely
finished
so
I
can
go
through
and
just
I'd
like
to
close
this,
though
just
to
let
people
know
because
people
are
looking
at
this
and
they
can't
tell
if
this
is
a
committed
thing
or
not
at
this
point,
I
get
pinged
about
it.
A
A
E
C
D
Number
of
lines
could
be
a
problem
yeah
and
it's
another
story
for
the
reviewing
demand
or
someone
will
just
see
okay,
it's
too
much
yeah,
but
we
can
really
split
it
and
and
discuss
it
further,
because
I
understand
that
other
system
like
open
shift
and
so
on
also
doing
such
a
things.
And
the
question
is
how
they
are
realizing
that
in
the
UI
itself
or
some
other
application
is
doing
that
stuff.
We
can
think
about
that.
Maybe
unify
that
and
create
something
common.
But
what
is
really
nice
time
with
guys?