Kubernetes SIG Service Catalog, 15 Oct 2018

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Agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17xlpkoEbPR5M6P5VDzNx17q6-IPFxKyebEekCGYiIKM/

* svcat marketplace
* Reimagining the data model with CRDs per service instead of generic service instances/bindings
* CRD Reality Check (storage replacement for aggregated api)

A

Hello and welcome to October 15th Service Catalog sake, I'm Carolyn vans, like one of the service catalog chairs, and let me post a link to the agenda here in chat, everyone's invited to put something on their list. Your name. Let everyone know that you were here. um You have any questions or you're having trouble getting a word in edgewise. Just uh type like + hand in the group, chat and I'll keep an eye on that and make sure that people give you a chance to talk.

A

Yeah, let's get started I'm just gonna walk through the agenda top/bottom. So if there's something that you'd like talked about or there's a PR or issue that you feel needs, uh eyeballs just add it to our agenda.

A

First up is Jonathan with the marketplace command.

B

So his Thanksgiving dinner this but I was checking out a few hours today. So if you actually skipped me forbid, I gotta switch my branch and compile it real, quick.

A

Happy just keep you for a while. Okay, um so I had some really fun news that I just saw from API machinery, which is that they finished implementing the last thing necessary in order to prototype out doing something pretty cool with Service Catalog.

A

Let me show you what we could do with what they put in. They put in something called dynamic informers normally when, when I'm uh like in our controller, if I need to watch something, I have to know what it is I'm watching for what the kind is, what the resources in a TV that I'm looking for and looking for changes to so, for instance, for every service instance, I, think I'm in the wrong one. Here it was mine. Here's my lovely informers.

A

We've gone to a place.

A

Yeah, okay, so we have, for example, cluster-level service brokers, which is one kind in service catalog, but we also have namespace service broker, which is a different kind. One that's cluster in front of one doesn't, and so we need to separate informers to watch, for changes for ease and for service instances. For example, we have an instance and former and they're basically strongly typed. They only look for a single resource.

A

One thing that would be kind of cool to just see what Service Catalog would look like is what, if we wanted to do something like this, instead, though, where, instead of doing kind service instance like this, and then we have like your hard-coded type, that we look for, we can say kind, and this could be something that's dynamically registered with us.

A

So it could be my sequel database or it could be I, don't know whatever object, storage or whatever kind, some fast thingy, okay, with a dynamic and former, we could watch for anything, and would it be restricted on using a generic service instance object. You could use something, that's very specific, so I've come and brought this up. Last week and we said, I was waiting on dynamic, Informer's and then I know just people and it's in so.

A

So I was gonna, do a prototype not of like getting everything working, but just what would the UX look like if we switched over to this, or we made something optional in front that people would use or just just to kind of see like what UX is available to us, because I think you could look pretty neat and maybe spark more ideas about improve service catalog.

A

It's almost I'm just pumped about that. Maybe I'm I'm, hiding me out next week, traveling, but the week after that, hopefully I should have something that we can. We can look at and first owns at, which should be fun to do as a girl. I wasn't expecting it to move forward this quickly. So that's that's.

C

Pretty awesome sounds good, hey I was talking with someone on the OLM team last week and they were telling me that they thought we would be having a problem with CR DS when we try to get the subject off a request. Is that news to you or do you know otherwise or when.

A

You say: subject: do you mean the identity or yeah.

C

A

mmm Yeah, that's news to me.

A

C

And I may have misunderstood because that seems pretty basic to me, but I just wanted to put it out there. They DIF acclaim. If you get playing in C or DS, and you want to go deeper, he was saying that after he had been messing in our code base that he thought that might be the one thing that would cause us heartburn with CR DS yeah. That's where we take the subject off their question would pass along to the broker.

C

Yeah, exactly okay.

A

Yeah yeah, yeah, I, guess there's two things here when I talk about CR use- and this is a really good point- actually one is just moving to C or D as our mechanism to replace aggregated API and then I'm looking at something even farm like and leapfrogging over that and, like the other part, would be.

A

Could we we envision that, like the data model now that we're using crts or something else, but you like this- is really good reality check that even just moving to see our knees, we need to be able to keep all the same functionalities or- and this would be another one I think. The other thing we were thinking about was like versioning and I. Don't quite remember, Nealon, what's up resources right, yeah and.

D

C

A

Some resources for status that exists and it's in and we have worker that we talked about in New York for our face-to-face about how to deal with the other ones. I, don't remember what we came. We decided about versioning.

C

Don't know do I.

A

Okay, so these will be like things that I'll keep an eye out, is I just kind of look into. This sounds good. Just sorry! No, it just seems it yeah like this stuff action. Colleagues, here you look like you know, like reimagining the data model with series, and then this is like just using it for storage.

C

Yep perfect yeah.

A

Yeah yeah I. Imagine that there's it's not me a smooth transition or relying on a lot of stuff being able to tweak everything.

A

Jonathan. Am I mumbled long enough that you're ready yep.

B

Can I share my screen.

B

B

Okay, so everybody sees my terminal weekend, okay, so currently, if using Service Catalog- and you want to see like what services are there available to buy, you have to use something like this get classes and I only have five. You can have a bunch of them and then, like oh I, want a Maria, DB and you're like.

B

Actually, having an arrow, we yeah, you could do.

B

And I could beat that, so that's like okay, but like especially if there's a lot of services, you can't really know what you're looking for having to manually tab through the internal systems of factions for me a bit cumbersome. So we discussed this at one of the phases, two phases and added it to a milestone that or all the way back when we were in New York. So maybe people don't remember this, but I finally got around to implementing the marketplace command and that's what this is.

B

So it doesn't shows you the class and then all the plans that they're attached to and the class description. So this is the current version. I have working, I actually opened up the PR and it's motion all tested and all that, but I just want to bring this out to see. If anyone had these suggestions things, they want to see it now before it's like accepted it merged drop me a line, etc, etc.

A

This looks really good I'm just excited about it. I thought.

C

This was cool. My immediate reaction, Jonathan was I, don't know about the new. My personal take I'm concerned about the name marketplace I'm, just seeing some other things called marketplace and I don't know, but I couldn't come up with a better term. You know I.

B

Just called it this because this is what a cloud foundry calls.

C

It yeah so just I'm, just tossing it out there, but again great idea. I think.

B

Okay, cool yeah.

A

I think, unless someone's got like a another name that we want to try to use instead, um it's the only one. We've got.

A

But uh suggestions welcome on that I, don't kind of like that. It mimics what CF does just because oftentimes we're talking about to to customers who know CF and are moving to Service Catalog and it's nice to have commands that are analogs between us eh. Oh.

C

A

Does it I have a question so like I kind of like that, we don't show the broker so that you're just kind of focusing on what you could or couldn't get, but at the same time like say, you had like mini broker and I'm gonna go real broker I'm here on your cluster? um Do you think it would be helpful somehow to be able to either filter just show that one is coming from the you know the dummy mini broker and what is coming from say like a real one. That would give you a property.

B

I, don't think so because there's no like what constitutes a real broker or not real broker, like I, don't think which broker which service comes from. Is that terribly important to the user? It's like well, just like I want. You know a database, okay, I got Murray and EBE and Postgres, and the bar and Barb as like. Do I really care that one comes from broker a or broker D I. Don't know!

B

That's why I was just asking you know in this form to see and if I did, how would I filter that, like I could label ones that come so currently? This is um this goes through and gets all the brokers that are in whatever name space you're currently working in and there's the name space lag. You can patch it against name space brokerage as well and that's not currently filter. They all show up the same okay but like.

A

I'm gonna kind of like this- it just shows you. This is what you can do, and it's very pragmatic and not very much like keep CTL, which is like I'll, show you everything with every toggle I was just asking. If anyone else thought that, for example, I have many broker on there and I want to hide many broker. Just focus on Tiffany. Don't want specific broker. Does that make sense, or do you think that doesn't make sense in the context of a market place command? Well,.

B

I, don't think it makes much sense because I get on I, don't think the average user is really like unless they added a namespace, broken themselves. I, don't think they're, probably cognizant of like where these things come from yeah like we're. Just like these are the services that are available in my cluster yeah.

A

That's a good point that, like normal users, probably aren't even aware what the brokers role.

C

How you plan on handling the new space brokers Jonathan, we.

B

Going to so this, this already does so currently, when you say CFS peak app marketplace, it reaches into your cube context or whatever to find out what namespace you're targeting and taxes it along. So you get back all the global brokers, the cluster brokers and all the namespace brokers for the whatever namespace you're.

B

Currently looking at you can pass it a namespace name: I, don't have a namespace broker installed on my cluster, but you can just say like a namespace fubar and then it would show you all the still all the cluster service brokers and then all the servers that are installed a namespace fubar.

B

There are all the services from those brokers, rather so.

A

It's whatever would be available to you to provision in that namespace yeah.

B

Okay, so again it's it's more from the perspective of like what can I buy yeah like where do these things come from, or why.

A

Why this is a great start, I'm happy to review this today and just get get it started.

A

Sorry, I don't mean chat, carolyn completely shuts down. While she tries to read.

A

Yeah good point: uh nap tubs are a little different than the person who is knee deep and actually installing the brokers and breaking all that stuff out. So I don't got a bunch of new people here on the call.

A

The agenda has some of our PRS in here that need more reviews, um both the marketplace command and default parameters needed use. If you are a member of the Cooper nice incubator org, you can help give those reviews so you'd like to participate in our democracy feel free personal is documented.

A

Anywhere Kibby just.

D

Gonna say that you know I just want to mention a couple of personas. That's just from my experience with pivotal stuff. That's kind of I mean.

B

It's kinda thing: we raid, adding cluster service brokers, are sort of an advert on the operation that happens to the platform infrequently, whereas service provisioning and consumption, something of an app developer, probably does. Is they push apps and restart things? So it's kind of pretty much the same thing I haven't worked on Cloud Foundry in a while they do they have the space. Only service programs is that up running yep.

D

That's okay, so namespace.

B

Brokers are are kind of our version of that.

A

Yeah, like I'm, looking at our documentation, we pasted on the link here just for our dock. We've started targeting it towards developers of our platform users of our platform, and then people are operating it so developers that people who are trying to change the codebase users would be I, think the app developers in this case and then operators is, you know, people trying to figure out how it all works and putting it together and configuring it for the first time.

A

But we don't I think ever really call out that más, personas and and kind of fill them out more detail than that.

A

A

So I'm chilled for PR reviews. If anyone else has something that needs to be reviewed or looked at so if you throw it on there, otherwise that's really all I have unless there was something else, but people are calling in for that. They were hoping to hear about.

D

A quick question for you: : last meeting: you shared a document with some notes on the the CRD you know kind of reimagined, yeah X. Is that something we can share, or is that something like you would rather hang on and tell you.

A

And, like I said as I update um as I work on the project, I'll keep this updated with with how it works. Yeah I wasn't expecting it to be implemented so quickly. So I kind of put this out here and it's like not like fully fleshed but uh yeah I'll, give that a shot for the prototype for this and to be clear, this isn't this changing our storage too Ciardi? It's. What would the UX look like if we could better take advantage?

A

What series, let's do um PI, doesn't put this as a controller in front of Service Catalog and then have it talk to Service Catalog in the back, so that you can see the UX without me having to change any of our code, which would take a lot longer to get rollin but I mean putting together a CRT and a controller in front of them, so we're Scott catalog, hopefully I can do in the next week, which would be funded cool. Thank you.

A

Yeah I think that's open everybody to make sure anyone with the link can comment cool thanks, Google Docs.

A

Well, that is all I had I'm so excited, so many people showed up today. I, don't know what we did different this week, but I.

C

Spin, the demo.

A

I'm gonna run to see the marker place command yeah that once we had sweet all right, I'll be out next week, because I'm going to San Francisco it'll be very exciting because I just came back from San Francisco.

A

All right see y'all next week, bye thank.

C