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SC Repo https://github.com/kubernetes/steering
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SC Repo https://github.com/kubernetes/steering
Agenda and Notes http://bit.ly/k8s-steering-wd

Chat transcript (times may not line up):

00:05:04 Aaron of SIG Beard: https://github.com/kubernetes/steering/projects/1
00:15:38 Aaron of SIG Beard: Caveman say Ug
00:17:06 Aaron of SIG Beard: SUG vs SIG
00:17:33 Aaron of SIG Beard: 1.14 duties are soaking up my bandwidth this Q FWIW
00:18:29 Aaron of SIG Beard: https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/governance.md
00:19:54 Michelle Noorali: What doc are we talking about ?
00:20:03 Michelle Noorali: thn
00:23:25 Brandon PHilips: I audited it today: https://github.com/kubernetes/steering/issues/28#issuecomment-454879591
00:38:56 Derek Carr: +1 to see how it goes and try it out
00:44:05 Michelle Noorali: You got me!
00:44:06 Michelle Noorali: yep
00:44:35 Michelle Noorali: I do my steering stuff on Wednesdays we have off
00:44:44 Michelle Noorali: But +1 for making every other week open
00:48:13 Michelle Noorali: +1 to Committee
00:48:36 Michelle Noorali: https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/governance.md#committees

Notes: http://bit.ly/k8s-steering-wd

Chat transcript (times may be off):

00:13:14 Michelle Noorali: I was looking at the autoscaling sig earlier today and will review today
00:13:38 Michelle Noorali: +1
00:13:41 Timothy St. Clair: +1
00:14:37 Brandon PHilips: Aaron, if it will be available by Wed next week I can do it.
00:32:23 briangrant: https://github.com/kubernetes/steering/issues/57
00:35:03 Clayton Coleman: Red Hat has this service
00:35:05 Clayton Coleman: It’ll cost you
00:36:16 Michelle Noorali: dope
00:37:32 Clayton Coleman: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=redhat.fabric8-analytics
00:37:43 Clayton Coleman: The go stuff is still in preview, let me check with them
00:41:07 Michelle Noorali: Yes absolutely
00:41:11 Phillip Wittrock: +1
00:41:34 briangrant: Go itself: https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-14185/product_id-29205/Golang-GO.html
00:42:30 Clayton Coleman: Brendan there is a CVE DB they’re maintaining but it’s supposed to be preview jan
00:42:33 Clayton Coleman: I’ll connect you to them to get details
00:43:09 Brandon PHilips: We need to work with the Go community to enable developers to add CVE data
00:43:27 Michelle Noorali: true
00:44:08 Dims: ++ Brandpn
00:48:23 Clayton Coleman: As a fun aside, reading their design proposal for golang detection support this gem jumped out:
00:48:25 Clayton Coleman: Moreover, an analysis of the 10000 most popular Golang packages across Github by comparing at the source file level shows that the most popular dependencies are those from the Kubernetes ecosystem/Kubernetes API itself, see [11]
00:48:38 Dims: :)
00:48:41 Michelle Noorali: cool
00:49:01 Michelle Noorali: We need an owner for the issue
00:49:23 Clayton Coleman: The net result though was a lack of high quality CVE source but they are motivated to make it happen
00:49:30 Michelle Noorali: https://github.com/kubernetes/steering/issues/85
00:50:08 Michelle Noorali: great to know @clayton
00:51:52 briangrant: SIG Diagram: https://twitter.com/bgrant0607/status/862091393723842561
00:53:01 Michelle Noorali: I could get with that
00:54:07 Michelle Noorali: Dan mentioned this to me a bit but it would be nice to know who is leading this effort
00:54:17 Michelle Noorali: Seems like something Brandon and I should be involve din.
00:54:21 Michelle Noorali: Involved in*

Notes: http://bit.ly/k8s-steering-wd

Chat transcript (times may be off):

00:18:52 briangrant: https://github.com/kubernetes/steering/issues/31
00:27:54 Aaron of SIG Beard: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qazwMIHGeF3iUh5xMJIJ6PDr-S3bNkT8tNLRkSiOkOU/edit# - agenda
00:45:55 Sarah Novotny: Apologies all. I need to drop. As penance, feel free to assign me things.
00:59:20 Timothy St. Clair: pinging on gluster issue.
00:59:40 Dims: Tim, see https://github.com/heketi/heketi/issues/1279

Notes: http://bit.ly/k8s-steering-wd

Chat transcript (times may be off):
00:03:33 Joe Beda: Gah -- zoom seems screwed up on Mojave. Can't get to unmute controls.
00:03:40 Clayton Coleman: Derek is in the room with me
00:03:41 Joe Beda: I may rejoin
00:03:58 Clayton Coleman: sig-node is derek
00:06:04 Aaron of SIG Beard: Brian says he’s going to show up, working on it
00:20:28 Joe Beda: But perhaps the vast majority is because of hte CLA?
00:21:27 Timothy St. Clair: Agreed
00:26:08 Aaron of SIG Beard: Dims then tim
00:26:44 Aaron of SIG Beard: Brendan after dims
00:27:16 Aaron of SIG Beard: Brian after Brendan (assumgin Brendan still wants to go)
00:27:52 Aaron of SIG Beard: I’m curious what empower means here, like what’s the authority that is missing
00:35:01 briangrant: https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/community-membership.md
00:36:14 briangrant: Or role board
00:41:29 Aaron of SIG Beard: Joe than I think I heard brandon?
00:43:41 Joe Beda: Another kick to contribX
00:43:42 Joe Beda: :/
00:44:30 Aaron of SIG Beard: https://github.com/kubernetes/community/pull/2830
00:44:39 Timothy St. Clair: Yes, +1 from me

Chat transcript (times may not line up):

00:32:47 eMcdlgCr9Dnkt66puqFgXg==: sorry folks, my battery failed before Sarah's apparently'
00:32:52 Michelle Noorali: No worries
00:34:25 Michelle Noorali: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i_8oM1KlmXo90zIIgNTdOg-M6xesTggFLnTkgmscMlI/edit#gid=0
00:34:26 Dims: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i_8oM1KlmXo90zIIgNTdOg-M6xesTggFLnTkgmscMlI/edit#gid=0
00:40:34 Dims: https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201810.mbox/browser
00:44:37 Timothy St. Clair: Lawyer FIGHT!
00:44:53 Michelle Noorali: Lol +1

Chat transcript (times may be off):
00:30:22 Michelle Noorali: nicely stated Clayton
00:34:46 briangrant: https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/github-management/kubernetes-repositories.md#sig-repositories
00:35:33 Michelle Noorali: Joe next
00:36:00 Phillip Wittrock: Hand
00:36:10 Timothy St. Clair: did you know there is a raise hand feature ;-)
00:36:24 Phillip Wittrock: I am so bad at zoom
00:36:42 Aaron of SIG Beard: yes but do you see me raising my hand right now
00:36:45 briangrant: The hand-raise feature is not effective
00:37:31 Clayton Coleman: Where is it
00:37:38 Aaron of SIG Beard: participants window
00:37:49 briangrant: I can only see about 4 people at a time
00:37:51 Clayton Coleman: O. M. G.
00:37:56 Quinton Hoole: If a sig/approvers allows code to merge into their code base, they need to be accountable for that. If they don’t want to be accountable, they should not approve the merge of the code.
00:39:52 Michelle Noorali: Clayton then Brendan
00:42:50 Michelle Noorali: Brian then Joe
00:43:55 Michelle Noorali: Joe then quinton
00:44:00 Joe Beda: (thanks for playing traffic cop Michelle!)
00:44:04 Michelle Noorali: my pleasure
00:45:18 Michelle Noorali: Quinton then brendan
00:46:14 Aaron of SIG Beard: I don’t understand what’s driven us to kill nearly 45min on this topic
00:46:32 Michelle Noorali: +1
00:46:53 Aaron of SIG Beard: I have a concrete question related to this I’d like answered but it’s unclear to me whether we’ll get there today
00:47:50 Aaron of SIG Beard: Do we call the PR premature and go back to iterating on google doc with new owners other than Jaice?
00:48:02 Michelle Noorali: Phil next
00:48:19 Joe Beda: I missed the start -- what PR?
00:48:27 Michelle Noorali: https://github.com/kubernetes/community/pull/2702
00:49:30 Michelle Noorali: Phil then we should wrap up this discussion
00:50:16 Quinton Hoole: +1 to what Brandan said.
00:50:22 Quinton Hoole: Brendan!
00:53:00 Clayton Coleman: Is Michelle hiding in a cave?
00:53:09 Aaron of SIG Beard: Big storm rolling through?
00:53:12 Clayton Coleman: is this a steering committee horror movie?
00:53:29 Clayton Coleman: The pull request is coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!
00:53:30 Aaron of SIG Beard: The working groups: this time it’s serious
00:53:48 Michelle Noorali: lol
00:54:32 Aaron of SIG Beard: https://github.com/kubernetes/community/issues/2715

Chat (times may be offset):
00:49:25 Aaron of SIG Beard: Apologies for bad internet
00:49:41 Aaron of SIG Beard: formalize sub projects: in-flight, nothing to discuss
00:51:42 Aaron of SIG Beard: anyone can do the PR
00:51:49 Aaron of SIG Beard: yes
00:52:17 Aaron of SIG Beard: PR this doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AlI89KijzO9_KAqUX_pbumgld1LN0tte2FMdjLw83wY/edit (linked in issue)
00:52:18 Phillip Wittrock: Subprojects or working groups?
00:52:31 Aaron of SIG Beard: Rationalize existing WGs (https://groups.google.com/a/kubernetes.io/d/msg/steering/zEY93Swa_Ss/C0ziwjkGCQAJ&sa=D&ust=1532010011381000&usg=AFQjCNGbTyXk1IeMristsoaqKIo5t-OFiA)
00:52:57 Aaron of SIG Beard: Yes Phil plz
00:53:04 Aaron of SIG Beard: Steering committee liaisons: nothing to discuss

Notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qazwMIHGeF3iUh5xMJIJ6PDr-S3bNkT8tNLRkSiOkOU

Chat (times may be off):
00:58:47 Joe Beda: (I'm on vacay for 2 weeks starting next week)
01:03:24 Michelle Noorali: i have to drop in a minute too

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qazwMIHGeF3iUh5xMJIJ6PDr-S3bNkT8tNLRkSiOkOU

Chat (times may be off):
00:08:07 Aaron "SIG Beard" Crickenberger: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qazwMIHGeF3iUh5xMJIJ6PDr-S3bNkT8tNLRkSiOkOU/edit#
00:14:41 Sarah Novotny: Are we recording?
00:14:49 Timothy St. Clair: yes
00:15:00 Sarah Novotny: awesome. thanks.
00:15:16 Sarah Novotny: Now I see the Blinky light.
00:18:50 Joe Beda: So -- SIG-Auth got merged. https://github.com/kubernetes/community/pull/2431
00:19:12 Joe Beda: Going to update the comment

Notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qazwMIHGeF3iUh5xMJIJ6PDr-S3bNkT8tNLRkSiOkOU

Chat (times are probably off):
00:14:04 Joe Beda: https://github.com/kubernetes/steering/projects/1
00:20:56 Michelle Noorali: +1
00:21:07 Quinton Hoole: +1 lets move on
00:22:11 Michelle Noorali: What does PSA stand for?
00:22:22 Phillip Wittrock: Public service announcement
00:22:25 Aaron Crickenberger: ^
00:22:26 Michelle Noorali: Oh thanks
00:24:14 Michelle Noorali: https://github.com/kubernetes/steering/issues/62
00:25:27 Michelle Noorali: Internet issues sorry
00:32:47 Joe Beda: Yeah - the SIGs should feel like they own their own charter.
00:35:54 Michelle Noorali: maybe we can track these in issues?
00:36:07 Michelle Noorali: Like open an issue if you see something you want to discuss over time?
00:56:11 Joe Beda: Please do more "voluntelling" Michelle. That is super helpful.
00:56:18 Michelle Noorali: sure thing
00:56:43 Joe Beda: toothless? From how to train your dragon?
01:05:17 Michelle Noorali: https://github.com/kubernetes/community/pull/2384

Chat log (times may be off):

00:07:15 Clayton Coleman: i think we do
00:25:04 Sarah Novotny: I have to drop in a few minutes.
00:31:43 Sarah Novotny: apologies, I have to drop. See you in a month :)

Chat log (times may be off):
00:00:57 Clayton Coleman: ohai
00:11:22 Timothy St. Clair: What’s the count for us to vote on stuff? Totally forgot.
00:11:36 Timothy St. Clair: the # ^
00:11:48 Sarah Novotny: I think It’s simple majority… which means we have quorum.
00:33:42 Timothy St. Clair: We should have guidelines, but I don’t think we should block
00:34:48 Timothy St. Clair: Thank you for not forking.

The bulk of this meeting was private as we discussed Code of Conduct issues and forming the Code of Conduct Committee

Chat:
00:10:13 briangrant: https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/pull/62088
00:10:33 briangrant: https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/issues/44505
00:10:50 briangrant: https://github.com/kubernetes/steering/issues/21
00:13:52 Joe Beda: Eclipse foundation: https://www.eclipse.org/org/documents/Eclipse_Policy_and_Procedure_for_3rd_Party_Dependencies_Final.pdf
00:14:02 Joe Beda: https://www.eclipse.org/legal/licenses.php
00:21:30 Joe Beda: https://github.com/kubernetes/community/pull/1994
00:22:38 Quinton Hoole: Here’s the stuff I was referring to: https://compliance.linuxfoundation.org/references/tools
00:28:20 Timothy St. Clair: +1
00:47:45 Joe Beda: Feb 14 meeting in notes
00:59:25 Michelle Noorali: enjoyyy

Chat transcript (times may be off):
00:06:36 Aaron Crickenberger: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qazwMIHGeF3iUh5xMJIJ6PDr-S3bNkT8tNLRkSiOkOU/edit# meeting agenda / notes
00:09:48 Clayton: charter review spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i_8oM1KlmXo90zIIgNTdOg-M6xesTggFLnTkgmscMlI/edit#gid=0
00:12:18 Aaron Crickenberger: I have my hand up when you have a chance
00:16:29 Michelle Noorali: https://t.co/aXF9eV7XvZ
00:16:48 Michelle Noorali: https://t.co/ryuZq5JuEe directions if really want them :)
00:19:27 Aaron Crickenberger: ^5 Michelle for the typo fixes lol
00:19:41 Michelle Noorali: :) haha happy to help
00:20:25 Quinton Hoole: Who gets to vote: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PtNDBBdkDCyNXVau9v4oWGgBGgdFfL6IAtWuhM_HNzY/edit#heading=h.vlo3cwkmsazx
00:30:04 Joe Beda: perms fixed
00:32:48 Joe Beda: I hope that is a hotel room Michelle!
00:33:09 Michelle Noorali: Oh lol it’s my parents house
00:33:20 Joe Beda: fancy :)
00:35:50 Quinton Hoole: +1
00:38:02 Phillip Wittrock: https://github.com/kubernetes/community/pull/1979
00:38:44 Sarah Novotny: lgtm'd
00:41:57 Quinton Hoole: +1
00:42:18 Michelle Noorali: Someone will manually delete :P

Chat log (times may be off):
00:05:45 Sig Auth-Lead: brb
00:06:17 Timothy St. Clair: There are many different types of users.
00:06:42 Michelle Noorali: Do you have the link to the doc Sarah?
00:08:04 Sarah Novotny: Values doc - https://docs.google.com/document/d/12J0YLKBOfBTMd8ZdPpFMIAhMmGIfapMg-nkYPJYY7FY/edit
00:25:43 briangrant: SIG Scalability charter draft: https://zoom.us/j/702272177
00:27:02 Michelle Noorali: idk bout y’all but this is feeling like some serious progress
00:27:40 Sig Auth-Lead: we are a huge amount of cats
00:38:52 Sarah Novotny: Progress… always slower than we want, but much easier now that more of us are driving.
00:45:17 Sarah Novotny: BRB
00:50:39 Brandon Philips: https://github.com/kubernetes/sig-release/blob/master/security-release-process-documentation/security-release-process.md
00:51:47 Michelle Noorali: https://github.com/kubernetes/sig-release/blob/master/security-release-process-documentation/security-release-process.md
00:51:57 Timothy St. Clair: We’re T-Minus 10 Minutes, did we want to identify next sprint items?
00:52:35 Sarah Novotny: #1 Finish these sprint items?
00:54:20 Michelle Noorali: I’m more terrified than anything
00:59:35 Sig Auth-Lead: hahaha
00:59:39 Sig Auth-Lead: sarah, the look on your face
00:59:42 Sig Auth-Lead: was priceless
01:00:33 Sarah Novotny: :D
01:00:57 Sig Auth-Lead: +1

Recording of the Steering Committee meeting. See also:

https://github.com/kubernetes/steering

Chat (times may be off):
00:11:51 Michelle Noorali: my internet is crap so if I drop off just give me a minute and I’ll come back
00:29:55 Aaron Crickenberger: https://github.com/kubernetes/community/pull/1799
00:32:16 Michelle Noorali: having some technical issues on my end. gonna drop off.
00:32:45 Michelle Noorali: there’s some money set aside by the cncf to pay contractors to backfill tests
00:32:55 Michelle Noorali: $600k
00:33:03 Michelle Noorali: Brian should have context
00:33:17 Michelle Noorali: is there anything we’d like to do there ?
00:33:21 Joe Beda: Thanks Michelle!
00:34:29 Timothy St. Clair: “Subject to change”
00:44:27 bburns: I prefer certificating
00:44:43 Sarah Novotny: :D
00:58:35 Timothy St. Clair: +1

Recording of the Steering Committee meeting. See also:

https://github.com/kubernetes/steering

Chat transcript (times may be slightly off):
00:08:13 Aaron Crickenberger: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qazwMIHGeF3iUh5xMJIJ6PDr-S3bNkT8tNLRkSiOkOU/edit#
00:08:27 Aaron Crickenberger: https://github.com/kubernetes/website/issues/6525
00:10:38 Timothy St. Clair: It’s not trivial
00:12:01 Timothy St. Clair: Sure.
00:25:57 Joe Beda: interface and starting implementation.
00:26:55 briangrant: https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/sig-governance.md#sig-governance
00:41:09 Quinton Hoole: Could someone put a link to Brendan’s doc in the notes?
00:41:36 Aaron Crickenberger: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yauW9zMtWgXN8xh4q6144B2xBTPuIOLGc0L6aQPMj1I/edit?ts=5a3c8c55
00:41:39 Aaron Crickenberger: Linked in doc as well
00:50:34 Joe Beda: cluster lifecycle should have picked a shorter name
00:52:40 Timothy St. Clair: sgtm
00:53:07 briangrant: https://github.com/orgs/kubernetes-sigs
00:53:11 briangrant: You all should be invited
00:57:41 Joe Beda: Let's make it official

Recording of the Steering Committee meeting. See also:

https://github.com/kubernetes/steering

Chat transcript:
00:07:23 Michelle Noorali: We definitely have it together ya’ll <3
00:07:35 Aaron Crickenberger: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qazwMIHGeF3iUh5xMJIJ6PDr-S3bNkT8tNLRkSiOkOU/edit#
00:19:28 Timothy St. Clair: Sounds like visibility and taxonomy.
00:23:05 Michelle Noorali: I have a question about the OWNERS file when we have a second
00:24:57 Aaron Crickenberger: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FHauGII5LNVM-dZcNfzYZ-6WRs9RoPctQ4bw5dczrkk/edit#heading=h.aptlokk78hrh
00:26:01 Timothy St. Clair: I honestly think sub-projects help to further the repo effort.. It gives a home for some of the work to get out of the kubernetes org.
00:36:05 Timothy St. Clair: Don’t forget though… this is a volunteer army.
00:39:13 Michelle Noorali: Thanks Joe
00:44:03 Michelle Noorali: Was there an announcement in SIG Apps by any chance?
00:50:23 Michelle Noorali: +1
00:51:13 SIG CLI: We have 10 minutes left
00:52:07 SIG CLI: Please email the links to steering@
00:52:17 Michelle Noorali: ^ +1
00:52:26 SIG CLI: fejta-bot has made github notifications worse than useless for me again
00:52:26 Joe Beda: They are in the notes
00:52:30 Michelle Noorali: thanks
00:52:30 Joe Beda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qazwMIHGeF3iUh5xMJIJ6PDr-S3bNkT8tNLRkSiOkOU/edit
01:01:17 Michelle Noorali: No objection from me
01:01:26 Timothy St. Clair: No objection.

Recording of the Steering Committee meeting. See also:

https://github.com/kubernetes/steering

Chat transcript:
00:01:26 Brandon Philips: Notes, FWIW http://bit.ly/k8s-steering-wd
00:03:23 bburns: are other people hearing things
00:03:25 bburns: ?
00:03:46 SIG Beard: I gather you’re not hearing me say stuff
00:03:49 Brandon Philips: We can all hear each other bburns
00:04:48 Joe Beda: I can't hear anything. Is taht on my end?
00:04:54 bburns: YES
00:04:57 Joe Beda: gah
00:04:59 SIG Beard: check your zoom settings?
00:05:02 bburns: oops, didn't mean caps
00:05:07 bburns: sry
00:05:18 bburns: yes
00:05:21 bburns: can hear you
00:06:52 SIG Beard: gfi
00:09:08 Brandon Philips: Notes: http://bit.ly/k8s-steering-wd
00:16:39 bburns: I just checked, kubernetes-dashboard doesn't actually exist
00:18:38 Clayton: BE SAFE
00:18:43 Clayton: NO RUNNING WITH SCISSORS
00:22:36 Timothy St. Clair: I’d love to spend some time walking through Brendans doc.
00:24:28 SIG Beard: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yauW9zMtWgXN8xh4q6144B2xBTPuIOLGc0L6aQPMj1I/edit - doc in question
00:34:28 Joe Beda: s/associated repos/collab repos/?
00:38:40 Timothy St. Clair: Part of adding the CLA bot would add the repo to that list.
00:44:20 Timothy St. Clair: It’s also the “descheduler” fwiw, I lost the vote.
00:47:47 Joe Beda: What should happen to graduated projects already? Not all of those would meet any new bar from sig-arch...
00:56:40 Joe Beda: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1h41mwLlcQwQDP6c4VDZzjiJepaQ1irHjP4mXYQFQAIo/edit

Recording of the Steering Committee meeting. See also:

https://github.com/kubernetes/steering