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A
All
right
welcome
to
sig
windows,
it's
april
20th,
and
this
is
our
weekly
sig
windows
meeting
this
cncf
meeting
and
so
follow.
We
follow
the
cncf
code
of
conduct,
which
essentially
means
be
nice
to
each
other,
and
if
you
have
any
questions
or
concerns
just
reach
out
to
one
of
the
leads
myself
or
jay
mark
is
out
this
week
so
I'll
be
running
the
meeting
and
go
ahead
and
get
started.
I
see
one
or
two
new
folks.
We
usually
do
intros,
let
people
say
hi
and
introduce
themselves
if
they
let
them.
A
A
Themselves,
nope,
okay,
cool.
I
don't
think
we
have
any
announcements
this
week.
Does
anybody
have
anything
they
wanted
to
announce.
A
This
okay
cool:
do
you
have
a
link,
maybe
friedrich
and
drop
in
the
chat,
we'll
drop
it
in
here?
Just
for
anybody.
That's
not
aware
friedrich's.
I've
been
working
on
getting
a
local
development
environment
going
so
that
we
can
run
and
end
tests
and
do
development
against
a
local
cluster
that
doesn't
require
the
cloud
or
anything
make
it
easier
for
new
members
to
join.
A
Yeah,
if
you
drop
a
link
and
I'll
I'll
link
it
in
here
so
on
the
agenda,
I
had
the
psp,
so
there's
a
psp
cap
out
there,
I'll
open
it
up
here
and
they've
mentioned
that
they
don't
want
to
break
windows
and
one
of
the
things
they
wanted
to
identify
was
the
standard
identifier
for
windows
pods.
A
One
is
using
the
node
selectors
with
windows
os
or
using
a
runtime
class
and
the
I
guess,
there's
kind
of
trade-offs
for
both
of
those
and
we've
gone
through
and
there's
a
big
discussion
here.
I
just
wanted
to
call
this
out
and
see
if
anybody
from
the
community
had
any
major
opinions
or
thoughts
on
on
either
way
either
direction.
I
think
the
the
challenge
with
the
node
selectors
is:
there's
no
enforcement
at
the
cubelet
level.
You
can
essentially
override
these
and
end
up
bypassing
the
psp
placements
for
runtime
classes.
A
It
requires
a
little
extra
work
to
kind
of
set
these
things
up
and
there's
no
standard
standardization
on
those
things,
but
go
ahead
and
read
through
this
and
please,
if
you
have
an
opinion,
now's
the
time
to
make
it
known
so
that
we
can
get
this
resolved
for
the
psp
as
it
gets
implemented.
B
A
Yeah,
so
mark
has
been
working
on
adding
some
support
to
gatekeeper
some
policies
there
and
then
this
kept
came
up,
and
so
he
he
jumped
in
and
gave
some
information
on
it
and
I'm
just
trying
to
keep
it
moving
forward
before
it
gets
closed
out
from
a
windows
side.
A
A
Okay
looks
like
jeremy,
you
tagged
something
here
this
morning.
Did
you
want
to
go
ahead.
C
Sure
we
we
have
no
problem,
detector,
any
staff
and
it's
being
worked
on
so
right
now
it
builds
it
tests.
It's
not
like
like
functional
where
you
could
actually
use
it,
but
it's
fairly
close
to
that
and
basically
for
for
this
it'd
be
nice
to
get
like
other
people
on
it
if
anybody's
interested
in
working
on
it.
But
it
is
moving
forward
and
there
is
a
bug
or
a
github
issue
that
I
can
reference.
But
you
could
see
all
of
the
pull
requests
against
it.
A
C
General
it
it
has
windows
support
now
at
a
little
limited
level.
It's
not
completely
done
yet,
so
you
can't
like
really,
you
could
install
it.
It
just
wouldn't
work
but
like
there
is
a
windows
binary
being
produced
and
everything
at
this
point,
gotcha.
D
A
A
I
see
a
bunch
of
new
people
join.
Does
anybody
want
to
introduce
themselves?
I
think
we're
essentially
at
the
end
of
the
agenda
here.
Unless
anybody
wants
to
bring
anything
else
up.
E
Just
one
question
regarding
last
week's
meeting:
who
was
the
person
that
has
some
issues
with
the
siblings
with
these
partitions?
E
E
I've
left
some
comments
on
the
google
doc.
She
she
opened
there
and
it's
in
the
glossarycks
agenda,
but
I'll
also
ping
her
on
slack.
Okay,.
A
I
guess
I'll
also
just
mention
I
I've
been
working
on
the
ipv6
dual
stack.
I
think
it
got
tested
by
some
folks
at
openshift.
There's
one
open
issue
on.
We
say
we
support
2004
windows,
server
and
the
when
you
query
the
hns.
It
looks
like
hcs,
shannon
kind
of
says
that
it's
not
supported
so
we're
just
working
through
that
and
then
that
pr
should
be
ready.
But
anybody
wants
to
go.
Take
a
look
at
it.
Please
take
a
look
and
give
a
review.
E
B
A
Stack
or
yeah,
so
it's
it's
supported
from
2004
on,
so
the
stack
release,
2004
and
then
you
have
to
in
cube
proxy
there's
a
flag
that
you
need
to
turn
on.
Okay,
well,
actually
in
121
it
became
on
by
default,
and
that's
why
we
found
this
yeah.
A
B
Okay,
yeah
yeah
all
right.
Well,
this
this
actually
brings
up
another
question
that
I
actually
wanted
to
bring
up,
which
was,
as
you
remember
actually
last
week
james.
I
hit
this
issue
with
image
builder,
where
I
was
trying
to
run
it
on
a.
B
You
know
I
mean
it
would
be
nice
if
more
people
could
test
image
builder,
for
example,
and
use
it,
and
I
don't
even
know
how
the
msdn
accounts
work.
I've
never
even
dove
into
that
rat's
nest
of
stuff
like
do
I
have
to
like.
Can
I
just
get
one
with
my
email
or
you
know
if
we
could.
D
B
A
Hey
muzz,
it
looks
like
you're
on
the
call.
Do
you
have
any
information
on
this
in
particular,
and
so
in
azure?
We're
able
to
that
all
vms
that
you
deploy
in
azure
come
with
a
license.
I
I
think,
that's
probably
the
same
in
like
gce
and
in
aws
when
you,
when
you
deploy
a
vm
for
local
development
yeah,
I
think
using
the
the
internal
one
and
then
there's
probably
there
used
to
be
a
way
to
get
an
msdn.
A
If
you
were
like
a
developer,
we
had
microsoft
had
like
a
free
msdn.
I
haven't
looked
into
that
in
a
while.
G
Yeah,
no,
let
me
ask
the
the
person
who
handles
the
windows
licensing
and
get
back.
Does
that
work
I
can
update
on
the
next
call.
I
don't
have
an
immediate
answer.
I
don't
think
for
dev.
We
have
probably
I
mean
for
windows
server.
We
probably
don't
have
licenses,
we
have
for
windows
10,
but
I
can
ask
them:
what's
the
you
know,
how
could
they
work
or
what
should
they
do.
B
Yeah,
I
mean
we're
not
I'm
not
necessarily
concerned
about
getting
a
license
or
not
getting
licensed,
I'm
more
concerned
about
what
do
we
tell
people
who
want
to
work
on
this
project
right,
like
you
know
like
I
don't
care
whether
we
get
a
free.
If
we
tell
them
look,
you
got
to
pay
150
bucks
to
work
on
this.
I
don't
care
like
as
long
as
we
can
tell
them
something.
You
know
what
I
mean
yeah.
H
H
Super
cool
if
it
was
a
program
like
what
red
hat
offers
they're
just
easy
example
where
they
have
the
developer,
license
where
you
can
register
for
a
developer
account,
and
then
you
get
a
free
rail
license
to
use
just
for
development
purposes.
It
would
be
cool
to
see
a
program
from
window
for
microsoft
like
that,
to
where
it's
easier
to
pull
down
the
iso
and
run
a
legit
copy
right,
yeah.
G
That's
a
very
good
suggestion.
I'll
definitely
bring
that.
So
let
me
ask
what
the
situation
is.
What
the
stance
of
microsoft
is
on
local
development
and
if
the
answer
is
you
need
to
buy
the
license,
then
I
will
definitely
try
my
best
to
get
some
kind
of
at
least
licenses
for
cncf
folks
or
some
kind
of
program.
Yeah.
B
B
B
Right
I
figured
maybe
you
could
get
a
single
license
for
free
or
something,
but
if
you
can't
do
that,
then
yeah
no.
G
Thanks
for
bringing
it
up
jay,
this
is
this,
is
I
mean
for
our
team
and
for
microsoft
and
like
this
is
very
important?
We
want
to
make
sure
that
developers
have
the
capability
to
do
this,
especially
for
kubernetes
community.
So
let
me
get
back
on
that.
I
don't
want
to
speak,
you
know,
because
these
are
licensing
issues
and
there's
a
lot
of
legal
stuff
in
there.
So
I'll
get
back
with
the
concrete
answer.
B
Awesome
cool
awesome,
cool
and
if
you
hear
something
before
next
week,
let
me
know,
because
I
I
would
love
to
be
able
to,
by
the
end
of
the
week,
have
docs
that
say:
do
this,
if
we,
if
we
find
out
soon
so
thanks,
maz.
A
B
A
Okay,
cool
does
anybody
else
have
anything
else
they
want
to
bring
to
the
meeting
today.
B
If
there's
nothing
else,
I
have
one
other
developer
experience
question
sure:
let's
do
it.
This
is
a
good
one.
So
have
has
anyone
ever
like
when
you
install
windows
server,
as
you
know,
it
kind
of
comes
with
all
these
restrictions
on
how
you
can
use
ie,
so
it
takes
you
like
for
me.
It
takes
me,
like
20
minutes
to
like
set
up
a
web
browser
that
I
can
like
hack
on
and
develop
and
pull
stuff
down
on.
B
Is
there
a
like
automated
kind
of
way
to
like
disable
internet
explorer
like
what's
the
most
efficient
way
for
windows
if
you're
to
conf
configure
a
windows,
server,
2019
or
2020
instance
for
like
insecure
usage,
where
you
can
use
the
web
browser
and
all
that
stuff
without
having
to
manually
configure
it?
Is
there
a
board
for
that.
A
I
I
don't
actually
do
that
very
often
I
usually,
if
I
need
to
like
do
development
on
the
machine.
What
I
use
is
visual
studio
code
remote,
that's
that
that's,
and
so
then
it
automatically
as
long
as
you
have
an
ssh
setup,
we'll
ssh
to
the
node,
install
visual
studio
code,
and
then
I
can
do
like
I
can
edit
the
scripts
on
the
fly
and
test
them
and
things.
A
So
that's
how
I
typically
like
do
that
type
of
development
and
that
way
my
local
web
browser,
I
I
do
have
a
gist
for
the
setup
for
visual
studio
codes
ssh.
If
somebody's
interested
in
that
I
can,
I
can
share
so.
B
Yeah
some
stuff,
I
think
it's
definitely
it's
worth
sharing,
but
some
stuff
you
just
can't
do
over
ssh.
I
think
on
a
new
box.
I
forgot
what
commands
they
are,
but
there's
some
administrative
and
of
course,
then
there's
the
issue
of
that
you.
You
still
have
to
set
up
ssh
to
to
be
able
to
do
that
right.
So
well,
if
you
have
any
ideas
on
how
we
could
like
maybe
make
like
a
a
simple.
B
D
A
I
I
just
joined
in,
I
don't
know
if
it
was
mentioned,
but
there's
a
project
board
for
cube
proxy
cleanup
items
and
then
there's
also
I'm
still
working
on
the
roadmap
dock.
It's
just
mainly
been
getting
to
it,
but
I
will
finish
that
up.
It's
the
doc
for
the
q
proxy
discussion,
I'll
post
it
in
the
chat.
So
you
know
exactly
what
I'm
talking
about.
B
I
Oh,
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
when
we
last
spoke,
we
talked
about
putting
the
contents,
there's
four
sub
topics
for
that
effort
and
we
were
going
to
put
the
four
subtopics
as
like:
roadmap
b
documents
inside
github
issues
to
make
them
public
and
then
and
then
just
plan
off
of
those.
B
Okay,
so
one
interesting
thing
that
I
I
talked
to
mikhail
this
weekend
and
we
I
I
don't
know
if
he
can
make
it
today,
but
we
were
looking
at-
I
see
jocelyn's
here
he
might
be
interested
in
this.
B
He
was
looking
at
hns
and
he
was
and
and
the
way
with
that
we
do
the
v2
hns
inside
of
a
coupe
proxy,
and
he
was
telling
me
that
he
actually
was
real
optimistic
about
porting
it
to
kaping
like
it
might
just
be
something
we
could
do.
B
I
think
without
actually
worrying
too
much
about
it,
because
it
turns
out
that
ricardo
has
built
an
ipvs
prototype
of
kaping,
which
is
the
next
generation
coupe
proxy
that
separates
the
like
the
api,
server
sort
of
kube
specific
stuff
from
the
the
processes
that
actually
do
the
the
data
plane
anyways.
So
well.
He
was
looking
at
competing
he's
he's
the
guy
who
wrote
kaping
and
which
is
under
kubernetes
sigs,
slash
kpng,
and
he
was
telling
me
that
actually,
the
data
model
for
hns
is
actually
very
similar
to
the
data
model
for
ipvs.
B
So
he
was
like
oh
wow.
This
might
just
be
really
easy.
So
we
may
be
able
to
just
have
a
coop
proxy
implementation
on
kaping
up
and
running,
like
kind
of
in
real
time
once
we
decide
to
just
do
it,
and
I
was
going
to
say
if
he
actually
was
was
here
today.
Maybe
we
would
do
it
during
the
like.
You
know
after
this,
but
but
anyways,
it's
just
some,
some,
some,
possibly
good
news.
Just
for
numbers.
B
I
J
You
just
wanted
to
mention
to
jay,
so
I'm
not
very
familiar
with
capping,
but
that's
definitely
something
that
I
would
love
the
the
cuproce
experts
in
my
team
to
to
pay
china.
I
don't
know
if
we
have
david
in
the
chat
today
but
yeah.
Basically,
the
the
hls
team
might
be
able
to
give
some
advice
on
how
to
do
things
in
in
microsoft.
B
Yeah
I
mean
if
they
were
interested
in
this
jocelyn.
If
there's
any
motivation
at
all.
On
your
end,
I
mean,
I
think
we
could
literally
schedule
a
call
where
we
just
literally
built
it
together
in
like
an
hour
like
built
a
prototype.
I
don't
even
think
it
would
be
a
big
deal.
So
if
you're
interested
just
maybe
reach
out
after
this-
and
we
can
talk
unless
unless
the
folks
are
on-
sounds
good.
Yeah.
J
I
I
was
just
gonna
announce
one
other
thing
at
the
release:
cadence
cap
is
in
its
approval
stage,
we're
we're
seeing
approvals
now.
So
this
was
the
conversation
about
releasing
kubernetes
three
times
a
year,
instead
of
four
times
a
year,
so
yeah
it
looks
like
it's
going
to
be
approved
imminently
three
times
instead
of
four
okay
yeah
and
I
think
we're
just
waiting
for
one
person
from
sig
testing
to
to
comment
on
the
issue
and
then
there
it
is.
A
A
Good
go
in
once
go
on
twice
all
right.
Well,
so
that's
the
end
of
sig
windows
meeting.
I
think
we're
gonna
transition
over
and
we
typically
spend
the
next.
You
know
half
an
hour
or
45
minutes
kind
of
doing,
hands-on,
jay
leads
it,
and
I
think,
last
week
we
looked
at
this
cube
the
local
development
with
frederick's
work.
I
think
we
might.
A
I
don't
know
what
we've
got
planned
today,
but
I'll
hand
it
over
to
jay,
and
so,
if
anybody
wants
to
stick
around
for
the
hands-on
experience
part,
otherwise
you
can
take
off
and
we'll
see
you
next
week.