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From YouTube: Layer5 Community Meeting Mar 5th, 2021 HD 1080p
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An official welcome and Layer5 badge for @sudo_navendu!
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Nice
and
adina's
with
us.
Austin
is
with
us.
The
vendor,
michael
good,
a
couple
of
folks
and
on
cena
is
here
alonso
budkarsh
good
deal
yeah
there's
a
couple
of
folks
ended
up
sending
in
some
regrets,
which
is
which
happens,
which
is
I'm
regretful
that
both
of
these
individuals
are
not
with
us
today
in
part,
because
one
of
the
first
topics
that
we
have
about
some
functionality
in
mesherie
has
to
a
lot
to
do
with
some
work.
B
That
bart
is
doing
so
before
we
get
into
those
topics
it's
great
to
have
birch.
It's
also
a
good
time
to
list
down
topics
if
folks
have
them
just
just
drop
them
in
if
you
have
any
and
and
and
then
some
announcements,
so
so
there's
outside
of
there's
a
few
others
that
are
joined
this
week.
What
one
individual
I'll
highlight
here,
I
don't
believe
that
he's
necessarily
had
a
chance
to
engage
in
chat
but
anirud
siva,
raman.
B
Is
well
I'm
hoping
that
we'll
get
a
chance
to
interact
with
him
he's
a
professor
at
nyu.
I
asked
him
to
join
because
he's
his
field
of
study
has
a
lot
to
do
with
some
of
the
works
that
we
have
going
on
around
service,
mesh
performance
or
smp,
which
is.
Why
is
this
not
on
the
agenda?
This
is
actually
smp.
Let's,
let's
put
s
p
on
the
agenda,
we'll
talk
about
it
talk
more
about
why
I
invited
any
route.
B
Okay,
hey
another
announcement
is
making
making
a
real
a
real
boy.
If
I
can
a
real
boy,
if
I
can,
you
know,
refer
to
pinocchio
out
of
the
vendor.
Man
navendu,
you
know
made.
You
know,
made
quiet
mention
of
the
fact
that
he's
joining
forces
here
he's
bringing
all
all
10
of
his
digits
to
bear
on
the
keyboard
toward
things
that
we're
doing
you
may
or
may
not
have
seen
it.
B
Yeah,
it's
probably
an
appropriate
time
to
talk
about
some
of
the
things
that
navindu,
you
probably
might
have
seen,
navendu
doing
and
some
things
that
he'll
you
haven't
seen
him
doing
yet
that
you
probably
seem
to
so
one
is.
There
have
been
some
advancements
on
mashri,
ctl,
anirud
jane
had
been
focused
on
mastery
ctl
context.
B
That's
been
a
long
discussed.
You
know
concept
much
needed
very
pleased
to
see
that
work
coming
through.
Navindu
has
been.
You
know,
stewarding
the
final
portions
of
that,
along
with
a
number
of
other
country,
along
with
a
hussein
and
anish
and
adidi
and
there's
a
list
of
others
ayush
and
I'm
not
going
to
name
them
all
anyway.
B
So
meshrictl
continues
to
need
love,
it
needs
people
like
kusena
and
and
the
whole
list
that
I
just
went
through
to
steward
it
and
be
the
captains
of
of
that
cli
and
nisha
nivenu
is
going
to
be
spending
more
and
more
time
with
us,
and
so
between
navendu
and
vinayak
sharma
who's
been
working
on
a
lot
on
get
nighthawk
the
two
of
these
individuals.
I
would
hint
to
you
or
plant
a
seed
in
your
minds.
B
B
A
B
Only
do
we
need
them,
so
so
any
anyway
be
paying
attention
to
be
watching
novendou,
be
silently
judging
him,
be
critiquing
him
and
spreading
gossip
and
lies
about
him
behind
his
back,
but
but
yeah
so
vinayak
is
as
well
vanayk
sharma.
Most
of
you
guys
most
of
y'all
know
him
he's
been
I'm
here
a
long
time
like
most
of
us.
He
had
been
absent
for
a
little
while,
I
think,
for
a
couple
of
months,
or
so
as
he'd
been
focused
on
university.
B
I
would
also
submit
to
you
to
please
watch
over
some
of
the
work
that
he's
doing
on
get
nighthawk
and
that
there
are
kind
of
two
components
within
get
nighthawk
the
the
project
site
and
the
ci
systems,
the
rest
of
the
back
end
systems
that
that
project
site.
I
think,
he's
well
positioned
for
a
maintainership
role
there.
So.
B
B
So
all
in
other
announcements,
some
kubecon
eu
and
servicemeshcon
eu
if
anyone
had
submitted
you're,
probably
getting
your
confirmations
or
your
projections,
I
think
this
week,
for
if
anyone
wants
to
speak
to
those,
you
know
go
ahead.
For
my
part,
I
forgot
to
submit
to
q
connie
you,
but
we'll
go
get
some
talking
speaking
spots
anyway,
we'll
go
so
we
just
won't
have.
B
We
gave
five
talks
and
I
couldn't
keep
up
same
thing
with
service
meshcon
eu
is
just
anyway
so
so
that
leaves
a
lot
of
room
for
the
rest
of
you
to
be
submitting
and
be
talking.
There's
a
cloud
native
day,
webassembly
coming
up
there's
also
cloud
native
day.
I
think
they're
cloud
native
days,
cloud
native
dave
rust
coming
up
as
well.
B
These
are
small
conferences,
I
think
they're
good
to
be
coat.
You
know
joined
at
kubecon
web
assembly
and
rust
both
things
that
we're
into
and
using
pranav
was
just
asking
in
the
channel
about
some
of
that
work
that
he's
doing
so
so
anyway,
if
you
have
a
hankering
to
give
a
talk,
let
me
know
I'll
help.
B
B
Thank
you
so
we've,
so
we've
got
a
couple
topics
in
and
around
internship
programs
for
the
most
part.
So
implicitly,
a
moment
ago,
when
we
were
talking
about
the
vendo
interning
part
of
his
internship
is
officiated
by
the
linux
found
by
lfx,
formerly
known
as
community
bridge.
So
so
we
we
for
went,
we
participate
in
it.
I
don't
know
the
details
are
important.
B
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B
E
A
B
B
A
G
F
F
H
D
B
Cool
all
right,
so
so
for
google
summer
of
code
for
things
that
we
might
projects
we
might
do,
we
ended
up
tossing
out
tossing
three
ideas
out
there.
Three
things
to
do
those
three
things
go
across
three
different
cncf
projects
envoy
and
you
know
what
maybe
not
let
me
I
won't
bore
everyone
by
reading
through
and
describing
what
these
things
are.
But
just
I'll
put
the
link
into
the
meeting
minutes
and.
B
A
B
Cool
yeah
another
another
topic
had
been
this,
this
one's
a
little
more,
you
know
well
explicitly
directed
toward
measuring
and
a
new
feature
coming
forth
in
measuring
one.
That's
is
nikhil
with
this.
No
austin
is
here
bart
had
to
be
gone,
one
that
one's
called
a
configuration
wizard.
So
I
guess
we'll
knock
out
two
birds
with
one
stone
on
this
I've
gotten.
B
B
B
B
That's
good!
That's
not
what
this
is,
but
it's
related.
Maybe
we
need
a
guided
tour
from
esther
yeah.
It's
a
related
thought
orthogonal
to
having
a
configuration
wizard.
The
point
of
having
a
configuration
wizard
is
is
really
not
to
create
a
bunch
of
new
functionality,
necessarily
it's
to
provide
a
curated
experience
so
that
people
can
be
successful,
initializing
their
measuring
deployment
so
that
they
start
meshri.
B
The
interface
comes
up
and
then
what
like?
Are
they
ready
to
start
managing
surface
meshes?
Sometimes,
we've
tried
to
make
some
opinionated
and
intelligent
decisions
and
behaviors
in
the
project
to
make
sure
that
they
can
people
can
just
start.
That
isn't
always
the
case,
though
sometimes
there's
net
disconnects.
Sometimes
the
component
isn't
communicating.
Sometimes
the
component
fell
over
they've
got
to
configure
their
environment
a
little
bit,
hence
the
configuration
wizard.
B
B
So
settings
so
we're
here
they
can
step
through
or
they
can
navigate
in
any
form
that
they
want
to
ad
hoc
to
these
different
areas
and
connect
up
prometheus
from
grafana
connect,
up
different
adapters
and
kubernetes
and
their
operator
and
etc,
and
good
and
there's
for
as
detailed
as
the
configurations
can
be.
This
is
the
this
is
where
all
of
those
details
are
exposed.
B
This
can
be
discombobulating
or
disorienting
to
new
users.
They
don't
necessarily
know
to
go
to
settings
or
that
they
need
to
make
sure
that
an
operator
was
deployed.
They
may
not
know
that
there
was
one
that
was
supposed
to
be,
and
so
hence
the
why
we're
bringing
forth
a
configuration
wizard
to
say:
here's
four
to
five
steps
to
go
through
to
be
successful,
to
make
sure
that
you're
after
you're
done
with
the
configuration,
wizard
you're
ready
to
manage
service
meshes,
your
environment
is
ready.
B
So
the
thought
is
that
most
people-
or
you
know
everyone
today-
lands
on
a
system
dashboard
they
land
on
this
home
page
that
there
would
be
probably
an
additional
icon
that
maybe
is
this
icon
or
maybe
something
else
that
shows
them.
This
note
you
may
want
to
run.
You
may
want
to
walk
through
the
configuration
wizard
get
started.
B
B
The
service
you
know
deploying
in
a
very
simple
fashion,
in
a
one-click
fashion,
deploying
a
service
mesh
if
they
want
to
or
if
there's
an
existing
mesh
of
a
certain
type
that
we
would
have
after
the
operator
is
deployed
that
it
will
be
that
mesh
will
have
been
discovered.
Some
some
nominal
set
of
details
would
be
exposed
just
to
oops,
just
to
confirm
to
them
that
it's
deployed
so
there's
a
third.
B
B
I
I
I'm
learning
figma
variants,
which
allows
us
create
interactive
components
right
from
our
file
and
the
next
component
we
have
to
make
should
be
the
buttons
which
will
discuss
today,
but
so
far
the
toggle
option
has
been
created
for
when
permits
from
where
someone
selects,
kubernetes
or
prometheus
or
grafana
or
another
option,
and
without
having
them
go
to
the
or
open
that
page
you
can
just
create.
They
can
just
check
out
the
interaction
from
the
sigma
file
directly.
B
J
Is
it
is
it
google's
keyboardist
cluster
and
then
it
can
like
take
internet
or
complete
different
routes
instead
of
different
things,
so
it
would
be
essentially
just
one
clip
and
now
machine
knows:
okay,
it's
confirmed.
Okay,
it's
it's,
google
security
and
now
I
know
how
to
exactly
do
that
create
service
accounts
and
those
kind
of
things
which
made
the
because
it
can
sometimes
differ
for
different
questions,
not
the
like,
not
initially,
but.
J
You
know
not
know
exactly
if
someone
is
having
trouble,
maybe
they
are
using
the
digits.
I
mean
not
that
yes,
of
course,
solutions
right
now,
but
if
they
are
using
the
solution,
they
are
having
trouble,
they
can
come
to
configurations
and
then
they
can't
just
click
on
like
they
can.
Let
mystery
wizard
know
that
this
is
a
dissolution,
so
in
mission
would
internally
have
some.
B
The
thing
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
types
of
kubernetes
out
there
there's
a
lot
of,
and
so
the
speaking
to
them
you
can.
You
can
authenticate,
speak
to
them,
authenticate
and
and
are
authorized
to
interact
with
kubernetes
in
a
bunch
of
different
ways
and
to
make
that
simple,
you
know,
is
a
challenge
and
that's
in
part,
why
that's?
What
we're
trying
to
do
with
service
meshes
make
them
simple,
they're
a
challenge,
and
so
anyway,
we've
got
some
challenges
to
make
connecting
to
and
interacting
with
kubernetes
simple.
B
Yesterday
I
was
talking
to
a
docker
captain
who
was
looking
at
oprah
mesherry
for
the
first
time
trying
to
use
it
and
they
he
had
docker
desktop
installed
and
minicube
installed.
I
think
both
of
the
clusters
were
active
on
his
machine,
so
the
configuration
file,
the
cube
config.
It
had
two
contexts:
one
for
docker
desktop
one
for
minicube.
B
The
docker
desktop
context.
Had
the
certificated
data
inside
of
the
cube
config
file,
which
is
great
from
straight.
That's.
What
message
looks
for
to
connect
and
speak
to
and
authenticate
to
kubernetes?
He
didn't
have
it.
For
I'm
sorry,
the
certificate
data
is
not
in
the
cubeconfig
file
for
his
minicube
cluster,
which
is
an
issue
that
everyone
runs
into.
Minicube
is
a
popular
way
of
running
a
local
kubernetes
cluster,
and
it's
also
something
that
ever
to
karsh's
point
and
hussein.
B
You
know
this
very
well
having
worked
on
the
mesri
ctl
command
to
to
generate
and
gather
certificate
data
from
mesheri
to
be
able
to
speak
to
minicube
well,
mesh
reservoir
doesn't
facilitate
that
today,
so
he's
sitting
there
in
mastery
server
going.
Why
can't
I
talk
to
what
you
know?
I
don't
know:
what
is
this
thing?
Even
yeah?
It
doesn't
doesn't
work.
B
B
You
know
to
to
you
know
to
want
to
use
software
that
works
and
is
pleasant
and
delights.
You
it's
delightful
when
you
pull
open
a
mesh
tree
and
it's
just
saying
all
of
a
sudden,
you're
running
istio
and
these
things
are
connected
and
here's
your
kubernetes
and
it's
like
wow,
let's
delight
oops,
it's
delightful.
I
didn't
have
to
go
through
all
this
setup.
B
B
B
I'll,
let
you
guys
your
minds
fill
in
the
rest,
it's
like
it
would
cost.
Yes
totally,
it's
not
just
the
config
file
and
the
certificate
data
that
gets
in
our
way
and
some
of
the
the
different
specifics
between
each
of
these
managed
kubernetes
services.
Each
of
these
different
kubernetes
platforms
that
gets
in
the
way
and
things
need
configured
we're
telling
people
to
do
it
from
the
command
line.
Today
we
we
don't,
we
don't
warn
them
of
that,
necessarily
like
we
say,
run
mystery
ctl
system
start
and
then,
after
that
they're
in
the
ui.
B
B
Yep,
we
don't.
The
measuring,
doesn't
distinguish
between
what
type
of
kubernetes
cluster
you're
connected
to
nor
nor
does
it
really
let
you
connect
to
two
kubernetes
clusters
simultaneously,
so
navindu
and
hussaina,
as
I
or
at
least
for
another
venue.
I
was
alluding
to
like
a
road
map
from
ashley
ctl
additional
commands
to
come
and
wait.
I
lost
my
train
of
thought,
there's
patterns
and
then
there
was
yeah.
B
So
we've
talked
a
few
different
times
on
the
the
notion
that
there
needs
to
be
a
new
concept,
a
new
logical
construct
in
meshary
called
environment,
and
that
today
it's
just
a
word,
a
text
string
in
the
ui.
But
tomorrow
it
it
needs
to
be
the
fact
that
you
can
create
environments
and
associate
one
or
more
kubernetes
clusters
and
and
other
things
to
an
environment,
and
that
in
the
ui,
like
one
of
the
things
that
that
was,
you
know
bothering
him.
B
This
is
difficult.
He
wasn't
understanding
if
this
was
actually
the
default
namespace
in
his
current
cluster
and
like,
but
the
cluster
wasn't
shown
here
and
like
what,
if
you
wanted
to
switch
clusters
and
there's
just
a
there's,
a
lot
to
go
around.
That
and
part
of
that
is
what
lukasz
was
saying
so
so
to
wrap
up
this
conversation,
udkarson
husseina
and
I'd
love
to
see
the
some
of
the
the
maestro
ctl
system.
Config
logic
be
available
in
meshre
server,
so
that
mesh
reserver
can
help
people
overcome
some
of
these
things.
B
K
Okay,
so
what
she's
suggesting
is
whenever
this
config
wizard
comes
up,
meshri
should
be
intelligent
enough
to
understand
that
whether
it
is
eks
aks
and
based
on
that
it
should
be
able
to
give
a
different
bizarre
like
where
we
ask
for
for
eks.
We
ask
for
region
and
other
things
for
gke.
We
ask
for
something
else
right,
so
the
wizards
should
be
intelligent
enough
to
change
based
on
the
environment.
We
are
in
right
if
we
can
detect
that.
B
B
B
You
know
some
weird
kubernetes
district
or
something
like
you
know,
the
the
status
quo
stuff,
the
easy
button,
the
80
stuff,
and
that
there
would
be
always
a
link
to
the
you
know
where
you
can
go
to
really
do
the
sophisticated
config,
but
that
yeah
the
configuration
wizard
itself.
It
probably
isn't,
building
in
a
bunch
of
new
functionality.
B
It's
just
it's
leveraging
existing
functionality
and
providing
that
guided
experience
in
which,
when,
when
like
husseina
as
you
were,
engaging
with
a
user
recently
one
of
the
student,
the
attendees
at
the
istio
con
workshop,
they
were
saying:
hey,
I'm
having
trouble
connecting
to
kubernetes.
Actually,
it
says
very
same
thing
and
as
you're
engaging
with
them
and
troubleshooting
and
you're
asking
for
logs
and
doing
you
know
doing
a
fantastic
thing
that
ideally
in
the
future.
B
I
I
think,
there's
two
things
that
that
I
would
hope
that
you
and
anyone
else
would
be
able
to
ask
someone
that
I
would
hope
that
you
would
be
able
to
say:
hey
did
you
are
all
four
of
the
steps
in
your
configuration,
wizard
green,
like
did
you
run
through
the?
Can
you
run
through
the
configuration
wizard
for
me
and
and
then
ping
me
like
that
that
answers
you
know
most
the
time
that
takes
care
of
people?
B
It's
just
like
go
through
the
the
second
tool
that
in
the
future,
that
I
would
hope
that
the
project
has
is
a
diagnostics
reporting
tool
like
hey.
I
think
that
there
probably
is
a
bug
in
your
environment.
Can
you
go
ahead
and
click
on
the
diagnostics
reporting
tool
that
grabs
the
logs
ships
them
on?
You
know
generates
a
github
issue
and
that's
a
whole
separate
can
of
worms.
I
just.
B
B
B
It's
actually,
it's
actually
not
easy
designing
a
stinking
configuration
wizard,
because
it's
a
lot
of,
but
but
I
think
that
it'll
be
worth
it
hey.
A
number
of
you
are
involved
in
and
if
you're
not
involved
in
then
go
ahead
and
get
involved
in
get
nighthawk.
It's
not
not
a
large
project,
but
it
is,
but
it
is
a
project
and
it
is
something
that
a
number
of
you
are
giving
time
to
and
it's
totally
worth
it,
and
so
the
project
gets
its
own
logo.
B
It's
pretty
difficult
to
see
as
well,
but
the
other
slight
change
is
the
the
width.
These
are
a
little
bit
skinnier
these
green
ones
here
than
than
these
green
ones
here.
So
like
it's
just
a
small
variation,
but
for
what
it's
worth,
I
think
so
we're
soliciting
feedback
on
the
cncf
service
mesh
working
group
list
as
well,
if
you're
not
on
the
cncf
service
mesh
working
group
list,
you're
more
than
welcome
to
subscribe
to
that
mailing
list.
B
B
B
It's
the
service
mesh
patterns
book
and
it
is,
it
only
has
a
few
chapters
done.
It
has
so
much
more
work
to
do
than
that,
then
is
done,
I'm
bringing
it
up,
because
there
were
two
chapters,
two
chapters
I
haven't
looked
at
it.
Yet
I
think
there's
just
two
chapters
that
are
in
here,
so
one
is
one-
is
called
how
to
get
started
with
any
service
mesh,
and
I
don't
know
if
anyone
has
seen
this
before
like.
B
So
actually,
I
just
noticed
something
that
leads
us
into
our
next
topic,
so
kudos
to
all
you
seriously.
This
is
available
on
out
there.
If
you've
got
a
subscription
to
the
o'reilly
platform,
you
know
tell
your
go
grab
it.
I
had
said
that
I
would
make
sure
to
make
sure
make
sure
to
make
make
sure
that
you
all
get
access
so
come
come.
See
me
if.
B
And
it,
but
in
here
I
was
just
noticing
that
it
talks
about
service
mesh
performance.
That's
actually
our
next
topic,
something
to
maybe
end
on
so
some
a
couple
of
bright
individuals
at
intel
had
been
spending
some
time
looking
at
s
p
at
this
project
and
are
near
as
I
can
tell
ecstatic
and
really
excited
about
what
we're
doing
what's
been
done,
and
they
want
to
come
in
and
help,
thank
goodness
and
as
part
of
them
being
able
to
help
it's
time
to
donate
this
to
the
cncf
as
a
sandbox
project.
B
And
so
there's
a
there's,
a
google
doc
that
has
a
draft
of
what
that
submission
looks
like
it's
actually
fairly
short.
It
doesn't
take
a
lot.
I
don't
think
there's
a
link
to
it
in
here.
I'll
share
the
link.
I
mean
I've
shared
it
in
the
other
mailing
list
and
does
anyone
have
questions
on
what
that
means
for
the
project
and.
B
B
F
So
until
now
you
handle
it
in
the
mesh
frame
layer,
5
group.
What
does
it
mean
if
it's
gonna
change
and
be
a
sandbox
project?
I'm
gonna
have
some
sponsorship
from
cncf
or
some
other
companies,
probably
other
companies
that
can
get
involved,
which
can
bring,
I
don't
know,
resources
or
people
or
money
or
people
or
something
yeah.
I'm
curious
what
what
that
that?
What
that
it
means
yeah.
B
The
reason
that
we
donate
is
one
to
help
like
to
help
achieve
the
mission
of
this
project
is
to
help
set
a
standard,
a
uniform
way
in
which
you
can
measure
the
performance
of
your
apps
and
your
cloud
native
infrastructure
and
intel
and
other
just
other
companies
in
general
feel
that
they
have.
You
know
large
legal
teams
that
that,
in
a
broad,
swath
will
say
well
hey.
If
the
project
is
in
this
foundation,
then
we're
good
with
that
and
then
you're,
free
and
clear
to
go.
B
Engage
heavily
is
one
of
the
reasons
that
it
helps
to
get
the
project
over
there.
The
second
reason
is
because
the
cncf,
what
is
it
at
its
core?
It's
a
world-class
marketing
machine.
It's
kind
of
that.
I
mean
it
it
that's
not
why
it
was
created
necessarily,
but
that's
a
heavy
emphasis
of
what
a
lot
of
the
staff
does.
So
that's
great
for
the
project.
It
makes
it
comfortable
for
other
companies
to
come
and
engage.
It
is
to
those
companies
and
to
the
to
the
to
the
layman
or
to
the
user.
B
Often
the
cncf
carries
a
stamp
of
or
a
project
being
in
the
cncf
that
carries
a
that.
Elevates
it
in
their
mind,
carries
a
stamp
of
like
that's
the
that's.
The
right
project
to
choose
and
use
it'll
be
around
for
a
while,
and
it
carries
a
certain
set
of
connotations
with
it,
which
is
positive
yep.
That
means
that
the
project
itself
would
end
up
getting
some
amount
of
consideration
at
cubecons
or
the
occasional
webinar.
What
have
you?
B
The
cncf
itself
has
three
different
levels
of
projects
in
terms
of
the
maturity
of
the
projects,
so
that
goes
from
sandbox
incubating
graduated
smp
would
go
in
at
a
sandbox
level.
Mesherie
is
a
project
that
essentially,
it
hits
all
the
requirements
for
incubating
level,
but
starting
off
with
smp
to
go
in
at
sandbox
the
mechanics
by
which
we
have
the
meetings
and
things.
Actually
we
the
project
would
get
some
additional
there's.
B
Some
additional
support
that
can
happen
like
the
project
can
participate
under
the
cncf's
umbrella
for
linux
foundation
and
google
summer
of
code
a
bit
more
a
bit
more
directly.
We
already
do
a
lot
of
that
today,
but
more
directly,
it'll
be
dedicated,
there'll,
be
a
staff
and
other
assistance
to
like
for
for
zooms
or
like
for
google
docs
and
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
we're
already
providing
and
already
doing
the
is
the
same.
B
It
would
all
be
the
same,
but
if
we
want
to
use
if
we
need
additional
resources
as
a
project,
if
we
want
to
have
them
more
directly
reinforce
some
tweets
that
have
been
sent
or
like
there's
just
there's
just
a
bunch
of
resources
to
the
projects
themselves.
Maybe
if
you
want
to
ask
for
help
with
documentation,
they
may
there's
a
lot
of
internal
vying
for
resources
and
there's
a
lot
of
projects
but
but
yeah.
B
So
some
of
what
we're
going
to
do
with
the
cncf
is
go
use
their
servers
and
their
labs
to
go
run
a
bunch
of
performance
tests.
Well,
if
it,
if,
if
one
of
their
projects
is
asking
for
it,
that
project
gets
priority
over
others
and
so
yeah
it
it
officiates
it
it's.
Oh
I'm
sorry.
The
other
thing
that
it
does
is
the
cncf
is
a
vendor-neutral
home
to
the
extent
that
us
humans
can
be
unbiased
and
you
know
believe
in
free
and
open
things
that
don't
have
you
know
political
agendas
behind
them.
B
I
would
say
that
something
like
the
linux
foundation
gets
as
close
to
that
as
possible,
and
so
having
s
p
in.
There
is
important,
because
it's
not
opinionated
about
why
this
mesh
is
faster
than
the
other
one,
because
you
can
use
the
spec
to
do
that
comparison,
and
if
that
spec
is
coming
from
a
vendor,
it's
less
believable,
in
our
case,
from
a
layer
of
fibers
perspective,
we're
not
a
vendor
of
a
service
mesh.
B
B
H
B
B
B
B
And
something
is
so
so
a
so
just
like
there's
like
a
few
of
them,
actually
just
just
taking
one
and
say
and
writing
a
blog
post
that
says:
hey,
there's
this
command.
This
is
this
is
how
it
behaves
this.
It's
kind
of
why
it
was
written
up.
This
is
a
cool
way
to
use
it.
You
know
I
enjoy
doing
it
like
this
or
you
know
it
doesn't
have
to
be.
It
can
just
be.
H
B
B
B
F
It's
a
little
bit
late
already.
I
went
yesterday
not
cold,
I
don't
know
from
where
was
the
link
or
whatever
telepresence?
I
don't
know
if
you
heard
about
it:
oh
yeah
yeah,
so
I
found
the
idea
interesting,
not
necessarily
new,
the
thing
that
let's
say
you
have
the
apps
deployed
in
the
kubernetes
cluster.
F
F
I
think
it's
also
sort
of
possible
with
mastery,
but
not
sure
if
it's
serving
this
thing,
because
the
thing
that
he
was
having
was
on
over
envoy,
so
it
did
had
it,
it
did
has
had
the
let's
say,
a
sort
of
a
service
mesh
deployed
there
and
yeah.
It
was
interesting
so
let's
say
the
demo
or
the
configuration,
and
I
think
that
it
it's
not
at
the
level
of
my
stream.
So
it's
let's
eventually
has
much
more
things,
but
it
was
still
a
good,
a
good,
interesting
demo.
F
F
I
could
not
start
it,
but
they
said
it's
gonna
be
three
and
so
on
the
interesting
part
that
it
is
so
maybe
not
in
measuring
sorry
for
not
getting
to
the
to
the
beginning.
So
there
two
point
one
was,
I
think
it
was
also
possible
on
us,
but
it's
not
important
and
the
second
one
is.
It
is
a
cool
thing
that
he
did
with
the
goal
language
in
the
ball
in
the
golang,
and
this
thing
we
can
use
like.
Let's
say
we
have
somewhere
the
our
sandbox
deployed
deployment
and
you
as
a
developer.
F
B
Yeah,
does
it
yeah
yeah
you're,
totally
right
to
associate
those
two
things
and
one
one
way
of
characterizing?
I
think
the
maybe
the
the
second
thing
you
were
talking
about
is
distributed
debugging,
so
you're
you're
running
an
application
on
the
surface
mesh
and
you're
wondering
you
know.
What's
going
on
with
your
app
you'd
like
to
maybe
have
maybe
you'd
like
to
have
remote
debugging
going
on
like
attach
a
remote
debugger
to
over
there
and
have
that
facilitated
here.
B
B
B
So,
while
while
you're
doing
that
alonso
was
asking
about
the
materials
and
the
and
the
form
for
collaborator
collaborators
and
contributors,
is
there
materials
about
diagnostics
or
identifying
scenarios
about
scaling
service
mesh
so
alonso?
Are
you?
Are
you
thinking
in
docs.measuring.io?
Are
you
thinking
in
in
articles
on
layer
five
that
I
owe.
B
Or
ninja
like,
and
actually
it's
kind
of
appropriate
to
both
there's,
we
need
more.
We
need
a
ton
more
there's
so
much
to
talk
about
there
tons
of
things
to
put
on
to
layer
five
that
I
o
about
how
service
meshes
work
and
how
they,
how
people
can
use
them
in
different
ways.
They
can
use
them
all
like
so
many
examples,
there's
also
there's
also
walkthroughs
so
to
to.
I
think
in
part
to
what
keleche
might
have
been
asking
about.
Is
that
so
this
docker
captain,
this
user-
that
I
was
talking
to
yesterday.
B
It's
like
okay!
Well,
I've
got
measuri,
okay,
my
message
is
connected
and
it's
running
now:
okay,
we're
good!
We
worked
past
my
issues,
all
right,
so
what
am
I
supposed
to
do
now
and
again,
like
you
know,
like
it
kind
of
hit
me
it's
a
good
good
example
of
like
oh
geez,
I
guess
some
scenarios
would
be
helpful
to
people
like
some
some.
What
do
you
want
to
do
like
here's,
some
common
tasks?
B
Do
you
want
to
walk
through
those
so
alonso?
We
we
might
should
build
out
some
common
tasks
in
meshary.
Did
you
want
to
deploy
an
application?
Here's
where
you
go
to
do
that,
but
before
we
even
get
that's
kind
of
a
lot
before
we
even
get
to
that
there
are
interactive
labs,
catacota
labs
that
have
been
written
to
for
people
to
walk
through
to
familiarize
with
mesheriy
to
familiarize
with
the
service
meshes
and
do
certain
tasks
in
just
a
learning.
A
temporary
learning
environment,
sriti
chandra
had
started
those.