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From YouTube: Meshery Development Meeting - Aug 30th 2019
Description
How to build Meshery and it's UI and an architectural discussion with @RameshaRangasw1.
A
B
A
But
I
wonder
to
what
extent
you
aren't
lighting
challenged
as
well.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
the
case
right
now,
you're
very,
very
grainy,
I,
think
more!
That's
on
Google
on
Google
Hangouts
being
crappy
than
anything
else.
Mm-Hmm
there's!
Definitely
a
correlation
between
brightness,
between
lighting
and
graininess
of
the
video,
though
interesting.
C
C
A
B
A
A
B
So
yeah
I
wish
I
was
in
that
space
that
long
time
back
so
I
could
be
experts
like
you
guys,
I
am
trying
to
gain
some
knowledge.
I
know
what
I
have
done.
Doctor
I'm,
pretty
confident
not
like
at
once
level,
but
I
can
deploy
micro-service
majors
and
run
the
doctor
container
and
then
the
human
indicia
some
have
recently
done,
but
no
put
the
doctor
into
the
queue
when
it
is
cluster
and
then
just
last
week,
I
was
looking
at
the
hasty.
B
Oh
well,
okay,
you
know
what
you
know
routing
and
all
this
stuff
you
can
as
a
propagation
host
of
a
that
way.
Right
then
I
thought.
Okay,
let
me
see
you
know
how
I
could
start
contributing
in
a
little
deeper
level
in
terms
of
measuring
also.
So
there
was
like
a
you
know
from
you,
guys,
experts
who
you
have
been
in
this
space
for
a
long
time,
so
yeah.
A
B
B
A
The
fact
that,
like
particularly
at
taka
and
Cuba
and
like
they're
all
of
the
videos
are
posted
yeah,
what
an
amazing
resource
that
is
for,
or
one
for
convenience
to
for
costs,
travel
in
time,
yeah
it
yeah,
no,
no
Greece
and
I
have
been
yeah
I.
Think
I
mean
not
that
that
this
not
that
anyone's
counting.
We
will
see
if
it
happens.
This
is
cute
con,
but
I
think
well.
A
A
B
B
I
started
as
a
consultant
at
HP
and
then
up
like
six
months.
They
are
currently
not
doing
well
in
of
the
finance
in
reporting
every
quarter,
so
they
put
some
budget
on
hold
on
projects
so
when
they
asked
me
to
come
back
in
now,
but
I
said
well,
what
am
I
going
to
until
now.
What's
very
important
is
some
short-term
pay,
because
I
go
I
mean.
B
B
A
Hp
or
you
learn
only
stuff,
you
know
the
part
of
the
consult
thing
that
you
get,
that
you
end
up
doing
through
a
company
like
kforce
I
mean
I
can
be
to
a
real
advantage
in
many
respects.
Cuz,
you
get
you
get
exposure
to
lots
of
different
teams,
processes
and
then
technologies
that
they
have
as
well
so
yeah
one
of
the
it
can
be
a
challenge.
A
Well,
it
can
be
riddled
with
challenges
many
times
sometimes
consultants
are
brought
in
because
because
the
incumbent
employees
management
can't
get
them
to
agree
with
them
or
to
management,
the
factions
are
having
a
bit
bitter
argument,
and
so
the
this
third
parties
brought
in
to
awkwardly
mediate
their
clients
and
tell
their
you
know.
Yeah.
B
Internship,
do
anything,
learn
anything
and
sometimes
used
to
get
issues
of
what
should
be
done.
You
know
there
was
a
requirement
where
you
have
a
bunch
of
fields
and
if
there
was
any
pre-built
formula
that
could
be
integrated
within
two
classes,
java
classes,
but
then
they
wander
like
dynamic
calculation.
So
then
I
came
in
approach
of
like
you
know
your
prediction
area
and
resolved
at
runtime
or
through
reflections.
B
But
then
somehow
a
difference
to
complex
I
mean
some
interpolation.
It
also
does
mean
it's
built
in
libraries
from
Microsoft
and
other
classes,
so
I
just
use
it
there
so
have
you.
This
will
slow,
it
does
the
inter.
Even
though
then
we
do
if
they
see
that
you're
moving
resolving,
but
if
they
don't
see
the
code
and
if
it's
from
Microsoft
is
okay
point
yeah.
A
A
A
What's
funny,
is
that
yeah
I
don't
know
I
don't
know.
Did
you
see
this
earlier
on
the
I
thought
and
from
notes
books
yeah,
it
was
nice
I
mean
those
guys,
man,
those
guys.
You
know
a
couple
of
them
in
particular
Nikhil
and
soo
bum
yeah
I
said
it
to
one
of
them,
but
just
to
ten,
yet
tenacity
or
like
you
know,
recognizing
it
like
it
ain't
easy,
they
don't
have
the
bandwidth.
A
Think
as
we
work
with
individuals
in
the
community.
If
you
say
after
you
spend
enough
time,
you
get
a
sense
of
it's
whether
it's
appropriate
to
ask
them
to
do
something
that
they
really
they're
asking
for
and
wanting
it
and
it's
just
trying
to
work
out.
The
relationship
to
is
like
whether
or
not
they'll
actually
be
successful
at
all.
Attempting
that
or
or
whether
or
not
something's
beneath
them
or
or
and
so
and
feelings,
are
likely
to
get
hurt
every
step.
That's
actually
one
of
the
things
that,
as
our
relationship
continues
forth
you
will.
A
I
know,
I
was
trying
to
make
it
kind
of
a
joke,
and
it
doesn't
it's
not
that
funny,
but
it
doesn't
help
me
from
making
it
anyway
about
the
energy.
My
point
is,
is
like
yeah
I
think
that
we're
really
fortunate
or
some
of
us
are
really
fortunate
in
terms
of
being
able
to
chase
our
passions
and
get
paid
yeah
yeah.
B
She
had
when
you
talk
about
Shubham
and
all
the
stuff
I
see
in
the
movie.
It
seems
like
that
there
was
very
poor,
had
hardly
any
education,
but
then
he
was
writing
theories.
You
know
from
his
mind
and
and
that
actually
parallel
with
some
of
the
books
from
Oxford
and
he
was
brought
in
and
then
Dasom.
How
did
you
come
up
with
all
this
stuff
and
I
said?
Well,
I,
don't
know
in
my
mind
when
I
left
a
to
pray
to
God
I
get
answer
something
but-
and
it
is
so
unformatted
in
writing.
B
But
then
it
delivered
is
so
much
power
to
like
you
know,
for
the
community
that
wow,
you
know
person
who
had
no
exposure
to
you
know
that
level
Oxford
thinking
but
coming
from
his
order
like
a
10th
grader
right
like
oh,
my
April,
9th
grader
and
always
writing
things.
Yes,
like
wow
I,
don't
know,
I
mean
I
I.
You
know
we
try
to
think
that
we,
you
know
my
wish.
I
was
like
that.
B
But
then
we
got
to
you
know
what
we
do
where
we
wanna
go
yeah,
but
there
are
those
kind
of
super
fans
bullet
train
things
that
you
just
see
like.
These
guys
are
like
words
so
fast,
and
you
know
they
like
I
mean
if
I
train
you
or
I
can
only
education,
my
masters
and
then
you
go
in
the
climb,
thought:
okay,
it's
understandable,
but
for
people
like
that
I,
you
know,
I
talk
about
that
scientists
right
or
monism
right
so
when
I
saw
is
the
algorithms
of
theories.
What
he
wrote
you
now.
B
My
exclusion
so
for
I
would
like
to
see
how
you
just
get
your
thing
and
just
started
yeah.
So
that
way
at
least
I
would
see.
I
would
be
most
likely.
You
know,
I
see
that
you
have
a
speed
of
change.
Some
labels
on
the
UI
also
react
stuff.
There's
a
point,
but
I
just
want
to
see
how
you
just
start
up.
Your
thing.
B
A
B
Know
I'm
thinking
about
grading
it
actually
to
at
least
8
GB
of
RAM.
You
know,
would
you
be
little
too
less?
So
that's
one
actually
I
bought
it
for
my
wife,
but
then
I
happen
to
come
out
with
that
sony
laptop
by
now
right
now
at
and
this
overlap
is
kind
of
constrained
in
terms
of
what
I
can
do
and
what
it
cannot
do.
Probably
yeah
sure.
What
do
you
say,
I.
A
Just
you
know
that
that's
like
400
Meg
right
there,
a
couple
of
Google,
Docs
and
other
pages
and
then
and
what
I
think
it
most
significantly
helps
in
terms
of
like
build
working
on
measure
yourself
is
it's
probably
the
number
of
cores
I
think
your
ability
to
compile
the
go.
Well,
it's
like
to
pull
all
the
packages
in
dependencies
and
kind
of
compile
that
there's
a
bit
of
what's
fortunate
about
the
way
that
docker
works
and
do
reach
correct
me.
A
If
I'm
going
to
beat
him
down
the
wrong
path
here,
but
it's
just
that
at
least
if
some
of
the
late
well
as
you're,
building
out
docker
images,
at
least
if
some
of
the
layers
don't
change.
Those
only
have
to
be
built
once
now
in
terms
of
like
rebuilding
the
go
binary,
though
from
essary.
That's
a
from
scratch
every
time
right,
Grisha,
okay,
yeah,
so
so.
B
Do
you
have
any
yeah
yeah,
then
I
think
yeah,
so
you
need
to
give
some
space
for
dr.
volume
on
your
right
and
you
can
recalibrate
the
RAM
requirements,
for
you
know
how
much
time
it
can
take
and
also
this
put
operator
yeah
for
so
I
think
yeah.
Let
me
I'll
even
is
eighty
people
don't
have
succeed
to
be
good.
What
do
you
suggesting
I
mean
I
can
play
dopey
dude?
I
well.
A
A
Yeah,
it
does
I
gotta,
say
I,
just
I,
don't
not
saying
that
this
has
to
happen,
but
I
just
got
done
buying
in
a
new
iMac
and
it's
not
it's
not
a
matte
iMac
Pro,
it's
just
it's
just
my
Mac
and
I
was
gonna.
Show
you
I'm,
looking
it
up
really
quick
too,
but
just
say
that
yeah,
it's
it's
a
massive
world
of
difference
between
it
has
32
gigs
of
RAM
and
and
between
that
and
it's
not
even
it's
not
like
I
went
and
splurged
in
ditches.
I
just
bought
the
run
of
the
mill.
A
A
A
beautiful
thing,
yeah
one
of
the
issues
is
that
sto.
When
you
take
the
default
config,
it
historically
had
been
that
it
it
burns.
Quite
a
bit
of
CPU
takes
up
some
memory
and
then,
when
you
deploy
the
book
info
sample
app,
that's
a
bit
of
a
behemoth
itself,
so
it
consumes
quite
a
bit
of
memory.
The
thing
is
is
that
you
don't
have
to
necessarily
work
with
this
to
you.
A
Well,
there's
two
things:
one:
if
you're
working
with
a
remote,
azure,
kubernetes
cluster,
beautiful
all
you
need
to
do
yeah,
you
need
Aloe
it
you
Brittany,
Darrell,
low
footprint
area
for
running
the
measure,
II
images,
measure
e
and
then
a
few
adapters
and
those
are
pretty.
Those
are
rather
small.
Yeah
I
mean
I.
A
Machine
you
have
now
will
suffice.
I
think
that
you'll
be
bothered
by
the
fact
that
takes
a
little
while
to
compile
but
you'll
be
able
to
run
measure
locally
point
to
a
remote
cluster.
You'll
be
fine,
but
you'll
be
fine.
You
at
some
point
you'll
be
like
damn
it
every
time
that
I
make
a
change
in
the
UI
and
I
am
ready
to
and
Girish.
A
You
know,
like
so
I
guess,
there's
a
couple
of
ways
of
building
a
project,
and
this
is
actually
thanks
for
asking
us
from
a
I
think
we
should
walk
run
through
a
build
of
a
couple
of
those
ways
in
which
that
looks
like
and
that's
why
I
was
gonna
share,
am
I,
sure
yeah.
So
you
don't
have
to
work
in
Visual
Studio
code,
okay,
but
but,
but
just
as
an
example,
that's
what
I
that's
what
I
work
with
in
Girish
acts?
I
need
to
read:
okay,
Rishi!
A
C
A
Because
there's
a
contributing
guide
doesn't
mean
that
we
shouldn't
have
this
conversation
I'm,
bringing
up
the
contributing
file
which
looks
a
lot
better
when
you're
looking
at
it
online
as
a
reference
point,
because
a
lot
of
what
I'm
gonna
say
is
peratt
should
be
in
there
and
if
it
isn't,
then
please
update
it
or
you
know,
play
it
if
you
stumble
and
so
there's
the
contribute
file.
But
but
let's
walk
through
what
that
looks
like
I
would
say
that
the
other
more
significant
file
is
certainly
familiar
to.
You
is
the
make
file
and
so
Krrish.
A
C
C
That's
not
for
building
my
streets
yeah,
so
I'm
not
going
to
talk
about
it
now.
The
next
one
there
are
the
six
member
6
is
actually
all
you
have
to
say
it
make
talker
and
what
it'll
do
is
it'll.
Take
your
entire
repository
content
word
and
a
multi-stage
talkers
old
and
build
the
whole
thing,
which
means
build,
will
not
happen
on
your
logo,
which
means
you
don't
need
to
have,
though
you
don't
need
to
have
npm
in
order
anyway.
Everything
is
going
to
dr.
yeah
and
it
is
a
multi-stage
shocker.
C
So
at
the
end
of
the
bone,
or
you
just
have
one
daughter
image,
which
is
just
which
I
mean
if
people
are
not
really
doing,
development
I
would
say:
I
recommend
them
to
do
that
if
they
really
want
to
try
it
building.
Just
tell
them
to
do
that,
because
also
it'll
actually
do
things
in
parallels,
which
is
kind
of
very
nice.
So
it's
it'll
it'll,
depending
on
the
power
of
your
mission.
It
will
take
a
or
between
five
minutes
and
I,
don't
know
sometimes
30
minutes.
The
30
is
again
like
an
hour
depending
on.
C
If
the
mission
is
pretty
low
on
visual
assist
because
they're
both
voting,
it
does
take
some
resources
and
again
it
also
depends
on
how
many
resources,
but
you
have
allocated
for
your
doctor.
So
it's
a
mixed
picture
of
things,
but
so
the
doctor
is
actually
the
easiest
way
to
pull
my
free,
and
you
know
you
can
get
it
up
and
running
within
the
next
few
minutes
of
the
doper
run
local
sass
right.
C
They
have
the
mesh
relearning
on
the
local,
all
the
adapters
running
on
the
local
button,
so
so
in
that
situation,
I
actually
use
the
line
at
home,
which
is
the
doctor
running
local
says,
but
that's
not
needed
for
others
like
you
know
so,
but
for
all
the
other
people
who
are
just
developing
mastery
on
its
adapters,
you
know
you
pretty
much
need
I
mean
again.
There
are
two
other
things
like
you
know.
So
so
their
lengths
are
22
is
a
doctor
run
sass.
C
So
what
that
can
do
is
so
assume
that
you
built
actually
using
line
memory
but
just
to
make
talker.
If
you
want
to
run
it,
you
know
you
just
want
to
run
my
shitty
looking
without
any
other
baggage.
Like
you,
don't
want
to
run
the
adapters,
don't
want
to
run
any
of
the
companies.
You
would
just
do.
Docker
run
sass
so,
which
means
that
you
just
load
an
image.
You
want
to
try
it
out
now.
C
A
It
just
because
I,
don't
I,
think
promotion.
I
haven't
looked
at
the
architecture
in
the
past,
but
but
I
don't
know
that
it's
necessarily
ready
readily
obvious
the.
What
measure
e
cloud
is
versus
measure
e
versus
mesh
readapt
errs
and
ramesh.
Tell
me
if
that
is
not
true
or
if
it
would
be
helpful
to
look
at
it
in.
A
A
There
is
this
Google
slide
that
that,
if
we
advanced
to
kind
of
the
a
couple
of
hidden,
slides
I
think
will
give
a
little
deeper
perspective
as
to
what's
going
on,
and
maybe
maybe
this
is
the
best
one
to
look
at
mm-hmm
just
like
them
before.
So.
Just
briefly
said,
the
conceptually
the
stuff
in
purple
is
what
what
you
would
have
running
in
Azure
cloud
or
national.
Your
kubernetes,
just
just
a
vanilla,
cone,
eddie's
or
a
aks
here
on
your
local
machine,
you'd
end
up
building
and
compiling
the
static
binary
measure
e.
A
Then
both
has
the
measure
ego
code
and
it
has
the
react
based
front-end
to
him,
compiled
into
the
same
binary
and
stuffed
into
the
same
docker
container.
Separated
from
that,
but
communicated
through
G
RPC
are
any
number
of
mesh
readapt
errs,
each
of
which
run
in
their
own.
You
know
really
go
through
the
same
kind
of
build
process,
but
they
run
in
their
own
container
image.
They
don't
have
you
eyes,
but
each
of
these
speaks
this
you
know
speaks
specifically,
does
functions
and
operations
specific
to
that
type
of
mesh.
B
A
Have
some
commonality
between
them
in
terms
of
how
they
function,
but
then
each
one
has
different
operations
for
different
meshes,
so
the
other
thing
that
Girish
was
referring
to
is
is
the
and
you
experience
this
today
when
you
run
massery,
albeit
very
briefly
so,
if
I
think
I'm
running
massery
locally
Here
I
am
so
I
I,
just
I'm
on
my
local
host
I
just
touch
a
local
host.
Ninety
eighty
one,
and
as
soon
as
I
did
my
local
measure.
Ii
instance
redirected
me
out
to
measure
e
cloud
or
mesh
Reis
ass.
A
Can
we
sort
of
use
those
terms
interchangeably,
we're
trying
to
move
to
just
measuring
cloud
and
all
the
measuring
cloud
is
doing
right
now
or
in
this
case,
is
letting
you
establish
a
session?
Okay.
Just
like
a
ward,
okay,
yeah,
okay,
we
say
it's
like
an
OAuth
yep,
exactly
exactly
and
so.
Based
on
that
session
gets
returned
back
to
your
local
nursery
container
and
I.
Don't
know
if
you
can
see
my
my
URL,
but
now
I'm
really.
So
these
are
immutable
right.
A
I
docker
is
running
I'm
running
a
Mac
OS
right
now
and
docker
desktop
is
running
on
my
Mac
and
Messi
has
started
up
and
as
part
of
mysteries
starting
up,
it
exposes
its
web
interface
on
ninety
81
okay.
So
this
is
y
okay.
This
is
the
okay
affinity
and
okay,
and
so
that's
one
component
of
mesh
Reis
assets
just
help
you
create
sessions
and
send
back
a
valid
session
back
to
Mestre,
so
it
can
continue.
Well,
then,
there's
a
second
component
to
mesh
recess.
A
When
the
test
is
done,
you
see
the
results
down
here
and
it
also
just
persists
the
results
locally
in
a
local
on
a
docker
volume.
That's
locally
mounted
on
your
docker
VM
mm-hmm,
so
that
you
can
cache
some
of
those
results
kind
of
locally.
But
it
also
because
it's
an
open
source
project
and
we're
trying
to
do
a
general
public
service.
We're
taking
this
as
anonymous
usage
statistics
and
shooting
that
back
up
to
measure
e
SAS,
which
just
persists.
A
No,
they
don't
because
they've
established
this
session
a
trusted
session
here
and
so
messy.
Then,
when
they're
done
running
that
test,
it
grabs
the
results,
pushes
them
up
to
mastery.
Sas
and
measures
has,
you
know,
says
you
know.
Thank
you
very
much,
I've
gotten
your
the
collection
of
your
JSON
results
or
what
have
you
and
then
on
your
on
that
users
behalf.
It
was
just
it's.
It's
a
small
little
ec2,
a
free
tier
instance,
running
VM.
That's
running
that
just
then
talks
to
that
database
on
the
back
end.
B
A
The
fact
that
I'm
here
and
all
I
can
do
is
kill
my
session,
and
so
it's
not
really
I
mean
we're
not
one
out
to
the
point
where
there's
account
specific
things,
but
but
in
time
I
think
very
much
so
that
that
would
be
helpful
to
people,
particularly
to
the
extent
that
they'd
like
to
retrieve
their
these
tests
that
they
ran
two
months
ago.
When
they
did,
you
know
a
major
and
now
they
want
to
run
it
again
and
they
had
since,
like
dumped
my
Cherie
and
now
they
can't.
A
A
Do
it
yeah
it'll
we've
spent
less
time
really
thinking
through
and
defining
quite
how
long
the
history
like
right
now
right
now.
Essentially
the
answer
is
yes
that
if
they,
if
I
was
on
my
Mac,
if
you're
on
your
MacBook
Air,
you
run
some
tests
today,
you
come
back.
You
know
a
couple
months
later,
you
start
up.
You
spin
up
my
Cherie
again,
it's
going
to
try
to
reconnect
to
the
same
docker
volume
that
it
had
created
the
first
time
it
started
up
that
same
local
cache.
A
If
you
will
I,
should
stop
using
the
term
cache.
It's
just
really
just
a
it's
a
locally
mounted
area
on
your
docker
VM
that
where
we
just
persist
to
a
small
database,
that
the
type
of
databases
is
a
badge
or
database,
it
doesn't
really
matter.
A
point
thing
is
I
think
the
answer
is
yes
to
what
you
asked
as
long
as
they
didn't
wipe
their
machine
and
wipe
their
docker
VM
or
as
long
as
you're.
A
You
know
in
the
area
if
the
project
really
takes
off
and
it's
doing
well
and
there's
lots
of
interest
and
people
are
asking
for
these
things
at
some
point,
they'll
become
unwieldy
for
an
open
source
project
to
sustain
and
kind
of
guarantee
that
people
would
come
to
expect.
Like
hey.
You
know,
you
know,
you
said
you
can
hold
my
data.
You
didn't
hold
my
data.
What's
going
on,
we
kind
of
shrug
and
say:
well
it's
just
it's
like
a
free
to
like
do
do.
B
A
Well,
it's
cuz
of
an
in-between
right
yeah.
Just
the
short
answer
is
yes.
Do
is
not
a
part
of
mastery,
although
the
way
that
people
interact
the
the
user
experience
that
someone
has
when
they
use
ma
cherie,
they
might
kind
of
think
they
might
be
led
to
believe
otherwise
and
we're
not
trying
to
trick
anyone.
It
doesn't
really
matter.
Actually,
we
would
like
for
them
to
know
that
it's
not
part
of
mystery,
so
mastery
literally
does
not
contain
the
ISTE
obits.
A
What
happens
when
I
click
here
and
say
go
ahead
and
install
with
TLS
or
without
measure
II
will
very
quickly
reach
out
to
the
sto
github
grab
identify
the
latest
release,
grab
and
pull
down
that
package,
and-
and
it's
not
just
it's
not
me-
that's
doing
this
gireesh.
You
keep
me
honest.
It's
it's
actually
the
measure
II
adapter,
which
you
know
I'm
just
being
technical,
like
hey,
it's
the
measuring
adapter
that
performs
this
operation
and
part
of
that
operation
is
to
reach
out
to
get
up
pull
down.
A
B
A
So
it's
the
only
man,
okay
right,
you
can
imagine
in
the
future.
It
would
be
I
mean
this
is
one
of
those
things
are
like.
Well,
maybe
that's
something
that
like
can't
be
like
the
okay,
sorry,
you
can
imagine
any
future
that
we
would
say.
Oh
well,
actually
did
you
want
to
install
sto,
1.1,
1.2
1.2,
to
1.4
all
these
options
and
choices
and
at
some
point
that
again
might
be
a
demarcation
point
where
we
would
say
hey
that
the
our
original
goal
here
was
to
well.
A
It's
like
well,
well,
hey
here's,
a
here's,
a
tool
that
lets
me
easily,
deploy
them
and
try
them
out,
and
it's
amazing
if
you
watched
the
journey
of
mastery
from
six
months
ago,
it
that's
exactly
the
very
first
thing
that
it
was
doing
and
it
was
doing
in
a
totally
different
way,
and
so
what
I'm
saying
is
like
if
at
some
point
we
were
to
say,
let's
give
you
some
additional
options
and
things
at
some
point.
It
might
be
well,
there's
another
demarcation
point
where
it's
like
look
it
achieved
its
initial
community
cause.
B
A
Different
SEO
or
like
at
some
point
to
it
does
management
of
your
configurate.
It
look
inspects
your
configuration
unless
you
and
tells
you
against
best
practices,
if
you're
doing
certain
things
wrong
right
or
wrong,
and
there's
like
right
now,
I
think
there's
about
nine
different
checks
or
so,
but
you
know,
and
you
can
imagine,
building
out
90
something
checks
and
and
but
at
some
point,
if
we're
spending
tons
and
tons
of
time
by
building
in
all
that
IP
and
all
that
or
I
think
whatever
the
community
contributed.
A
So
there's
a
bunch
of
different
passes
to
modernization.
I
mean
that's
not
the
point.
That's
not
really
the
point
of
our
discussion.
I
was
just
trying
to
do.
They
say:
hey,
there's,
there's
a
reason
why?
Oh,
no
I'm,
sorry
there's
a
number
of
reasons.
Why
measure
you
only
goes
so
far
one
and
the
biggest
one
is
time
and
smart
people
to
work
out
what
you
know
time
and
willingness
to
work
on
and
then.
B
A
For
load
for
do
load,
testing,
okay,
4000
org-
this
was
created
by
a
Googler
or
a
set
of
Googlers
that
I
think
we're
inspired
by
another
popular
benchmark
or
load
generator.
Probably
it
was
w
RK,
but
there's
a
there's
like
a
be
there's
a
number
of
load
generators
out
there.
This
one
is
the
one
that
was
really
generated
by
the
same
Google
team
that
works
on
SEO
and
so
because
they
liked
it
and
I
think
it
does
well,
and
it
generates
these
graphs
and
Satchel.
A
A
Because
for
IO,
like
you,
can
use
for
IO
to
generate
load
against
sto
or
against
link
OD
or
any
of
the
service
meshes
or
frankly
like
right
now,
I
could
run
a
performance
test
against
an
application.
That's
not
on
a
match
that!
That's
that's
fine,
anyway,
for
IO
that
supports
certain
things.
It
does
certain
things.
Other
load
generators
have
different
functions
and
people
have
asked
for
those
and
so
right
now
Saco
is
working
on
bringing
choice
of
generator,
and
so
that's
an
area
of
he's
working.
A
We
just
talked
with
him
this
morning
about
how
far
he
is,
and
it's
like
at
this
point.
It
begins
to
become
appropriate
to
design,
to
get
some
mock-ups
going
for
what
that
you
I
would
look
like
when
people
go
to
do
performance
tests
that
they
have
is
their
little
switcher
that
lets
them
switch
between
the
style
of
low
generator
they
want
and
then
and
then
a
bit
of
settings
about
that
load
generator
and
how
they
want
it
to
work.
B
In
dimensions
that
in
the
future
they
might
not
need
human
image
at
all,
it
could
do
directly
to
managing
doggers
or
something
so
will
machine
be
totally
dependent
given
days
or
in
anyway.
You
know
we
took
your
ring
steel
to
the
point.
Yes,
then,
if
I
still
will
not
use
queues,
will
you
be
able
to
have
to
change
it
or
something
yeah.
A
That's
a
good
question:
did
the
I
would
be
the
first
to
wreck
I
mean
I,
don't
necessarily
like
doing
this,
but
I
would
be
the
first
to
recognize
that
there's
a
very,
very
long
tail
of
workloads
out
there
that
are
not
cloud
natives
that
are
running,
whether
they're,
monolithic
or
legacy
or
VM
or
whatever.
You
want
to
call
that
that
measure
e.
A
While
it
is
well
okay,
how
I
says
I
think
in
general,
it
wants
to
assume
it
generally
has
a
user
experience
that
assumes
that
you're,
probably
gonna
have
a
kubernetes
in
the
environment
it
technically
it
does.
Let
you
run
performance
tests
against
any
endpoint.
You
want
to
give
it.
I
can
type
in
Google,
calm
right
now
a
little
test,
and
let
me
know
what
my
throughput
is
between
here
and
google.com,
and
my
latency
and
okay,
that's
one
part
of
the
answer.
The
other
part
of
the
answer
is
as
we're
interfacing
with
service
meshes
today.
A
Measure
e
requires
that
you're
looking
to
deploy
these
service
meshes
on
kubernetes.
That's
not
because
we
want
to
paint
the
project
into
a
corner-
it's
just
based
on
time
and
where
people's
focus
really
is
and
so
of
the
service
messages
that
support
running
workloads
on
their
mesh
outside
of
kubernetes.
Today,
that
is
SEO
console
and
maybe
a
cup
and
NS
I
don't
know
in
Lincoln.
He
only
works
in
communities,
octarine
I
believe
only
works
on
kubernetes
and
SM.
They
really
market
around
kubernetes,
so
I'm
not
sure
I'm.
B
A
A
So
let
me
let
me
do
this.
Let
me
go
back
to
it.
So
a
couple
a
couple
things
just
one:
we're
I'm
gonna
annotate
what
we
will
annotate
this
mm,
what
you
will
call
this
make
file
better
than
it
is
today
they
understood
to
help
people
understand
the
the
differences.
The
yeah
I
generally
use
this
ie
I.
Generally,
that
there's
a
couple
of
commands
that
you'll
run
when
you're
building
when
you're,
making
UI
changes
in
memory
and
when
you're
building
massery
for
the
most
part
of
the
things
that
we've
laid
out
thinking
I
know.
A
Maybe
a
Ramesh
would
be
interested
in
this
they've
generally
not
been
on
the
adapters
themselves,
so
it's
I
mean,
but
you're
welcome
to
work
on
them
is
about.
If
there's
a
matter,
we
need
to
create
a
new
adapter,
an
apt
mesh
adapter
that
that
I
think.
If,
if
you
went
to
go,
focus
on
it,
it
would
not.
A
It
would
do
you
a
disservice
because
it
would
just
be
a
leap
too
far
at
the
moment,
but
and
part
of
the
reason
I
was
suggesting
you're,
relatively
nominal
changes
like
a
label
change,
or
what
have
you
is
just
something
you
get
comfortable
with
the
build
process
and
kind
of
the
tool
chain.
If
you
will
and
it's
this
make
file
that
actually
makes
it
relatively
straightforward,
mm-hmm
and
so
I
suggested.
Maybe
we
so
don't.
Let
me
push
something
on
that.
A
You
on
you
that
you're
not
you're
interested
in
the
reason
I'm
gonna
suggest
a
couple
of
I
mean
I,
guess
I
have
to
say
the
same
thing,
there's
a
couple
of
smaller
things
that
I
think
are
great
stepping
stones
to
doing
extraordinarily
impactful
things,
and
these
stepping
stones
are.
Maybe
the
importance
of
them
is
to
not
frustrate
Ramesh
with,
like
you
know,
hey
go.
Do
this
awesome
new
thing
that
there's
a
couple
of
those
that
are
articulated
that
people
can
pick
up
but
I
think
you'll
get
really
frustrating
to
be
like
guys.
A
A
But
a
good
example:
this
is
not
the
best
example
of
maybe
the
first
initial
thing
to
do.
Although
I
think
that
you're
entirely
capable
of
doing
it
and
so
I,
don't
know
if
we
should
Girish
did
you
consider
that
we
should
talk
about
this
or
is
just
gonna
get
Ramesh
into
some
areas
that
don't
actually
aren't
really
ready
for
him
yet
ready
for
anyone?
A
C
I
think
you
have
created
a
clearly
marked
the
area
for
future
enhancement,
but
I.
Think,
like
you
know,
the
basic
data
and
I
can
afford
pretty
much
all
those
pieces
are
all
there.
So
this
story
at
the
moment
it
will
just
be
like
a
UI.
You
redesign,
like
you
know,
for
that
one
particular
area,
so
it
should
be.
It
should
be
quick
or
remain
so
actually
pick
up
on
one.
A
Hey
Ramesh,
do
you
have
you
have
Safari
on
your
MacBook
Air
right?
Oh,
yes,
okay,
there's
a
and
again
I'm
pointing
this
out
in
the
most
loving
of
way,
Oh.
Actually,
I
guess.
I
already
did
point
out
in
the
most
loving
of
ways
of
like.
Let's,
let's
set
up
ramesh
for
to
have
a
good
time
and
be
successful,
there
is
I,
think
accomplished,
knocking
if
you
would
have
knocked
this
one
out,
you
would
have
gone.
A
You
have
had
to
build
the
measure
II
you
would
haven't
had
to
have
build
the
UI
you'd
had
to
run
the
containers.
You'd
have
to
connect
it
to
a
sure
pop
of
all
this
stuff.
So
to
give
you
kind
of
a
an
end-to-end,
you
would
have
wrapped
our
arms
around
the
project
to
so
sleek
I'll.
Describe
this
really
quick
and
say:
maybe
I
won't
demonstrate
it
just
to
say
that
when
you're
in.
A
B
A
A
Okay,
okay,
here's
the
CN,
CF
networks,
a
proposal
but
I
think
where,
if
you
go
into
preferences
by
default
under
advanced
by
default,
this
is
not
checked
off
and
when
you
do
check
it
off
a
couple.
Things
will
happen
when
you
right-click
on
a
page
other
than
a
Google
Doc
you'll.
This
inspect
element
will
come
up
and
so
will
so
will
this
develop
menu
which
you
may
or
may
not
like
as
much
as
you
might
like,
Chrome,
but
but
it
but
it's,
but
it's
fairly
feature-rich
and
so
yeah
anyway.
They
they
hide
it.
A
Right,
yeah,
I
think
between
a
view
source,
but
that's
about
it
is
like
the
the
oh
gosh
that
the
thing
I
was
going
to
go
back
to
is
just
like
the
you
know
what
I
was
gonna
go
back
to
the
mesh
room
file
and
we're
going
to
look
at
the
stuff
inside
of
I.
Honestly
of
the
time
that
we
have
left,
it
is
probably
best
to
just
like
any
other
than
human.
If
you
have
okay,
okay,
very
good.
A
A
How
do
I
push
up
my
changes
and
I
think
this
is
for
the
docs
and
that's
fine
I'm,
sorry
that
this
is
in
general,
like
it's
check
out
a
Brandt,
create
a
branch
check
it
out
work
on
your
stuff
there,
when
you're
done,
do
a
PR
against
master,
there's
kind
of
the
flow
there's
the
documentation
flow
and
that's
I,
think
you'd
find
that
relatively
straightforward.
But
then
there's
the
rest
of
my
sri
itself
and
building
it
so
there's
a
couple
things
to
have
to
have
go
installed.
A
But
then
this
does
begin
to
walk
through
part
of
what
we
were
gonna
walk
through
in
the
make
file.
Just
like
hey
the
different
ways
of
of
building
measuring
Girish
has
written
a
lot
of
these
notes,
so
he
he
highlights
that
if
you've
made
changes
in
the
UI
running,
just
this
isn't
going
to
isn't
going
to
update
the
using
it
up.
A
B
C
So
if
you're
making
just
a
UI
change,
you
don't
need
to
run.
You
don't
need
to
blow
the
server.
Finally,
because
I
mean
so
so
assuming
you
have
the
server
running
and
the
you
know
we
would
like.
So,
as
you
may
have
the
server
running
on
your
local,
not
inductor
and
you're,
making
changes
to
the
UI.
All
you
have
to
do
is
just
do
the
make
build
you
one
reload,
the
page
it'll
take
up
a.
C
Then
you
have
to
rebuild,
you
have
to
do
make
doctor
again
because
no
yeah,
so
the
make
doctor
is
what
will
actually
pick
up
the
server
code.
Ui
code,
build
them
and
then
put
them
together
in
a
new
container
image.
So,
but
if
you
doing
a
little
bit
leaning,
then
all
you
have
to
do
is
do
a
little.
You
wine,
you
know
so,
which
will
which
will
just
have
a
change.
Yes,.
B
B
C
For
for
memory
itself,
I
mean,
like
I,
mean
honestly
if
you're
running
it
on
your
local,
a
GB
is
fantastic,
I
mean
I,
would
say
ditched
offered
because
I
think
with
even
I
mean
ago
with,
for
you
can
do
it
before,
but
forget
about
docker
with
8
I'll,
say
still
forget
about
docker,
because
the
doctor
needs
like
I,
know
quite
some
resources
and
make
darker.
It
actually
is
pretty
original
intensive,
so
I
would
say
just
so
just
check
out
battery
and
then
run
the
front
end
of
the
packing,
as
it
is
only
local.
B
A
B
C
B
A
A
These
are
colored
and
they're
beautiful,
but
they
tend
to
indicate
to
the
user
that
that
color
means
something
in
it
doesn't
oh,
so
they
just
need
to
go
back
to
being
gray
off-white.
Whatever
this
these
are
SVG's,
so
you
know
okay,
yeah
sure
green.
So
I
was
right,
it
is
his
battery
and
so
I
am
gonna
have
to
virtually
slap.
C
C
C
Absolutely
I'm,
mostly
on
slack
so
so
they
are
looking
is
I
mean
like
no,
you
use
or
mushroom
channel
I'm,
pretty
sure.
If
I'm
going
to
be
away
I'm
going
to
be
doing
some
travel
weekend,
I
mean
like
I'll,
be
I'll,
be
there
like
no
for
messaging,
but
then
you
know
so
I
think
the
easiest
thing
would
be
electrology
so
put
it
on
a
mastery
challenge,
if
not
for
melee
or
somebody
else
like
it
out.
Who
is
doing
what
you
know
disturb
looking
like
would
be
like
you
know,
faster
kind
of
respond.
C
Please
don't
get
me
wrong.
I'm
gonna
find
efficient
way
like
I
mean
feel
free
to
any
as
well,
but
what
I
think
in
general,
like
you,
know
putting
it?
There
is
always
like
better,
because
you
know
it.
You
would
probably
be
getting
responses
much
faster,
because
you
know
it's
not
like
one
person,
yeah
Oh.
A
Actually,
no
more
than
that
I
plus
the
other,
so
many
other
people
benefit
when
you
do
it,
because,
because
they've
got
because
there's
actually,
we
just
had
the
two
new
second-year
students
showing
the
call
today
and
they're
gonna
have
all
the
same
questions
or
something.
So
actually
these
conversations
don't
like
do
not
scale
at
all,
and
so
yeah
I
like
wreath
as
you
go
through
the
contributing
Docs
like
whatever
we
need
to
change.
You
know
as
you're.
A
Actually,
as
you
verify
that
like
4gb
is
beautiful,
you
don't
need
anything
more.
You
know
what
you
know.
That
actually
is
writing
that
up.
It's
actually
a
blog
post
on
that
could
be
an
interesting
way
of
like
to
the
extent
that
that
hey,
there's
a
world
of
nerds
that
give
workshops
and
stand
up
on
stage
like
that's
us
that
that's
this
is
this.
Is
the
path
I
don't
know
if
you're
inclined
towards
that.
But
let
me
know
because
honestly,
I've
got
a
lot
of
people
asking
for
that
kind
of
a
thing
and
I
I.