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From YouTube: Engaging in Meshery UX
Description
An ad hoc overview of how user experience designers can and are encouraged to be involved in Meshery.
B
The
way
I
just
for
everyone
else,
who's
watching
here,
I
can't
help
myself
would
say
this
that
there's
a
reason,
there's
a
there's.
A
couple
of
reasons
why
neha
is
being
is
talked
about
when
she's,
not
here
in
the
in
a
good
way,
and
why
she's
being
successful
right
now
is
because
she's
tenacious
like
she's
curious
about
it.
B
She's
going
after
it
she's
getting
her
she's
asking
her
questions
to
get
them
answered,
and-
and
it's
been
like
that
for
a
long
time-
and
she
just
keeps
she
just
keeps
being
more
of
she
just
keeps
growing
in
in
the
impact
of
the
work
that
she's
doing,
and
it's
tremendous
like
a
lot
of
other
people.
Just
I
don't
get
it
and
like
hit
that
you
know
give
up,
and
so.
A
B
B
You
know
everyone's
welcome,
I'm
going
to
try
to
do
it
briskly,
so
I'm
going
to
monologue,
maybe
for
a
moment,
if
I
can
I'm
going
to
make
some
assumptions
about
things
that
are
going
on
so
so
here
it
is
for
measuring
as
a
project
and
for
the
other
projects
and
the
five
or
so
websites
that
we
use
I'm
not
a
narcissist,
oh
good
god.
It
looks
like
I've
just
put
number
one.
B
B
I
don't
know
how
you
clear
your
board,
but
I'm
not
a
despite
what
my
wife
says:
I'm
not
a
narcissist,
so,
okay
back
back
on
track,
so
use
figma
as
a
tool
for
illustrations
and
for
wireframing
diagramming
and
whatever
low
res
and
high-res,
and
all
that
and
so
there's
a
set
of
instructions
on
the.
So
we've
got
a
bunch
of
pages.
We
use
this
as
a
free
tool.
Hopefully
you
know
everyone
that
joins
in
the
community.
B
B
Just
because
it's
even
though
there's
revision
history
in
figma
as
a
tool,
it's
can
be
alarming
to
people
to
come
back
and
find
that
their
work's
gone
or
somebody
has
disapproved
of
it
and
changed
it
and
done
their
own
thing.
So
you
know,
please
be
polite
and
basically
follow
the
structure
like
this.
The
pages
should
be
laid
out
kind
of
like
like
this.
Each
of
these
pages
should
be
laid
out
kind
of
like
this
for
a
given
area.
B
There
are
in
measuring
there's
any
number
of
screens
or
pages
anyhow.
I
was
just
showing
us
like
the
settings
page.
I
I
call
out
the
settings
page
because
I'm
not
sure
that
the
settings
page
is
in
fact
wireframe
in
here
like
there's
a
lot
of
stuff,
we're
sort
of
like
we
need
to
retroactively,
create
actual.
B
Designs
for
things
that
we
have
today,
this
isn't
too
far
away
from
what
we
have
for
performance
management,
and
this
is
an
actual
design,
but
the
thing
that
we
really
have
for
performance
management
right
now.
We
don't
actually
have
in
in
design.
So
there's
like
there's
a
lot
of
actual
just
work
to
be
done
in
terms
of
like
creating
components
and
making
sure
that
we're
creating
reusable
components
such
that
we're
doing
design
well
and
we're
being
intelligent
about.
You
know
the
same
dry
principles.
Don't
do
not
repeat
yourself,
principles
that
we
use
in
code.
B
B
B
We
do
follow
material
ui,
so
there
are
some
general
material
ui
components
that
are
borrowed
from
free
free
projects
that
help
with
just
you
know
getting
us
some
of
these
components
quickly
the
we're
not
attempting
to
create
our
own
design
language,
although
over
time,
that's
essentially
what's
happening,
is
that
this
style
guide
becomes
its
its
own
language.
And
so
we
have.
B
You
know
a
color
scheme
between
these
four
colors
for
primarily
for
things
that
we're
looking
that
we
do
within
mesh
room
there's
also
a
set
of
colors
for
notifications,
there's
a
whole
there's
a
notification
center
today
and
tomorrow,
hopefully,
there's
an
operations
center
of
which
we'll
talk
about
that.
Another
time.
What
that
looks
like,
but
there'd
been
recent
work
on
the
notification
center,
maybe
just
as
an
example.
B
In
which
we
finally
got
figured
out
like-
and
these
probably
need
transferred
to
that
general
components
page,
but
we
finally
get
figured
out
what
these
things
actually
look
like.
We
don't
really
like
one
of
the
things
that
we've
done
a
real,
a
poor
job
of
is
capturing
states
and
behavior
of
what's
going
on.
So
what
happens?
When
can
the
user
just
click
anywhere
on
this
misspelled
preference
anywhere
on
this.
B
B
B
But
some
of
what
we
do
as
well
is
just
you
know,
use
words
on
the
side
to
describe
what
would
happen
and
that
can
be
okay,
but
we've
gotten
a
little
more
sophisticated.
This
page
itself
isn't
really
it's
kind
of
following
the
outline
that
I
was
suggest
saying.
That
needs
to
be
followed
here
of,
like
hey,
there's,
an
area
for
where
we
might
capture
things
that
are
inspiring
to
us
and
we
want
to,
you
know,
reflect
on
there's
each
individual
screen
or
page
like
the
name
of
it.
B
Any
notes
about
that
page
than
the
actual
design
for
that
page
and
then
any
designs
that
are
like
subsequent
drafts
in
flight
drafts
or
things
that
have
just
ultimately
been
archived.
I
know
that
my
screen's
a
little
small
so
that
flow.
If
we've
done
well
on
this
page,
it
should
just
follow
that
same
general
flow.
We've
got
inspiration
happening
here
and
this
by
the
way,
is
a
product
and
a
team
that
I've
worked
on
at
cisco
or
a
related
team.
They've
got
a
notification
center
and
an
operations
center.
B
We
won't
talk,
but
just
we're
taking
okay.
Well,
that's
great
inspiration
like
there's
a
whole
team
of
uxers
and
ui
folks,
and
so
just
reflecting
on
what
they've
done
help
you
know
helps.
Then
we've
got
the
screen
name
kind
of
like
like
this.
This
itself
isn't
following
so
like
there's
one
task
right
there:
it's
like
hey,
we
need
to
revisit
each
of
these
pages,
make
sure
that
they're
following
the
the
structure
so
that
it
becomes
easy
for
all
of
us
to
iterate
on
these
things,
they're,
okay,
to
give
okay!
B
B
It's
horrific,
it's
pretty
ugly
and
really
hard
to
understand
and
people
have
been
trying
to
improve
upon
it,
but
they've
been
doing
that
off
the
cuff,
with
sort
of
what
feels
good
and
we've
yet
to
like
do
an
actual
design
of
what
that
should
be
so
I'll.
Take
an
action
item
to
like
make
an
opening
issue
for
them,
so
that
and
describe
it
a
little
bit
better.
So
in
case
anyone
wants
to
try
their
hand
at
that
particular
challenge.
B
That
looks
good
like
I
don't
know
why
this
you
know
left
brain
right,
brain
stuff
or
whatever,
but
so
we
don't
get
as
much
talent
in
that
regard
and
then
those
that
come
like
really
understanding
ux
is
like
well
who's
the
persona.
What
are
they
trying
to
do?
What's
the
user
flow?
What's
the
task
at
hand?
How
do
we
get
there
in
as
few
clicks
as
possible?
B
B
B
B
B
Yeah
it
it
just
needs
an
inter
complete
overhaul.
It's
not
horrific
like
th.
This
is
probably
the
only
thing.
That's
okay,
it's
like
there
here
is
a
decent,
empty
state
component,
module
component
section.
Remember
it
should
be
showing.
Ideally,
it
would
be
showing
what
neha
was
doing,
which
is
performance,
charts
or
metrics.
If
you
don't
have
those
connected,
then
this
is
the
empty
state.
So
it's
good.
It's
not
showing
you
in
big
red
letters
like
oh
you're,
broken
because
you're
not
broken.
Maybe
you
don't
want
any
metrics,
it
does.
B
Two
years
ago,
when
we
decided
to
categorize
operations
that
you
could
do
and
the
mesherie
itself
is
so
much
more
capable
and
dynamic
in
its
capabilities
than
these
fairly
fragile
static
buckets
of
operations
that
you
can
invoke
that
the
user
can
take
is
basically
bucketized.
Operations
like
one
of
them
is
to
install
or
delete
a
service
mesh.
B
Once
you
have
either
those
two
deployed,
you
can
update
their
configuration
by
clicking
play,
which
isn't
that
intuitive,
like
versus
the
and
when
we
say,
delete
like
there's
a
there's,
a
yeah
anyway,
it's
a
lot
to
go
through.
I
dropped
one
or
two
items
that
were
small
enough,
maybe
and
kind
of
specific
enough
that
people
might
think
through
them.
We
looked
at.
I
know
it
was
difficult
to
follow
what
utkarsh
was
presenting,
not
ukash's
issue.
B
B
A
namespace
that
namespace
that
she
was
using
was
default
soon,
neha
and
every
other
user.
They
can
do
that
in
context
of
the
namespaces.
Those
are
in
context
of
a
cluster
kubernetes
cluster,
where
you
could
click
to
switch
between
other
clusters
and
then
you
would
get
a
different
set.
A
different
pick
list,
a
different
set
of
name
spaces.
B
No,
actually,
we
need
something
and
it's
maybe
it's
a
chip.
Although
again,
if
you're
connected
to
a
bunch
of
clusters,
we're
gonna
start
to
run
out
of
room
real
quick
and
it's
going
to
start
to
start
to
so
there's
a
smallish
open
challenge.
That's
hopefully
everyone
can
so
with
that
I'll.
Stop
the
monologue
and
say:
does
that
give
those
that
are
interested
in
iterating
here
enough
to
kind
of
start
enough
to
begin
to
get
comfortable.
B
There's
a
ton
of
info
too:
it's
like
drinking
from
the
firehouse,
like
a
ton
of
things
that
were
just
said
so
I'll,
say
a
smaller
item
this
right
here.
This
menu
has
changed.
This
is
not.
This
is
an
old
version
it
needs
to
so
this
particular
component
needs
to
be
deleted
or,
and
it
needs
to
be
refreshed
from
an
actual
figma
component
designated
by
the
purple.
A
C
A
C
C
B
Totally
yeah
and
the
way
to
my
advice,
my
counsel,
a
way
to
be
successful
is
to
choose,
is
to
either
ask
choose
or
just
ask
for
a
super
super
super
small
item
and
then
after
you're
successful
that
one
another
super
small,
another
super,
small
and
and
my
advice
is-
ignore-
ignore
all
the
stuff
ignore
everything
else
like.
If
the
item
is
what
I
just
said,
like
here's,
the
here's,
the
latest
component
for
the
menu
ignore
everything.
That's
in
it,
you
don't
need
to
understand
anything.
B
You
just
need
to
go
verify
do
all
of
the
other
places
where
that
is
used.
Are
they
using
that
component?
Yes,
no,
if
they're
not,
then
that's
it
update
the
component
and
that's
like
it
and
then
the
more
that
you
impact
the
project,
the
more
that
gets
invested
into
you
and
more
described
to
you,
the
longer
you're,
just
sort
of
through
you're
digesting
and
seeing
things
and
learning
things
and
hearing
about
them
and
getting
them
reinforced.
B
Don't
even
try
to
understand
it
or
you
know,
like
ultimately
long
term.
Yeah
you'd
be
extraordinarily
impactful.
If
you
really
do
understand
all
the
stuff
underneath,
but
you
can
be
really
impactful
and
become
a
maintainer
of
the
project
and
other
you
know,
go
speak
on
kubecon
stage
or
whatever
any
of
these
things
without
was
still
not
understanding.
Anything
like
you
can
go
talk
on
stage
I'll
go
get
you
a
talk
on
any
like
we've
got
like
10
requests
to
go
talk
right
now,
at
various
things
or
whatever,
like
whatever
your
goal.
B
Is
that
we
can
go,
do
it
and
you
can
just
go
talk
about
you
can
just
go
say.
I
have
no
idea
what
a
mesh
is
that
didn't!
Stop
me
from
being
extremely
impactful
in
this
project
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why,
because
users
that
use
you
know
because-
and
you
talk
about
the
ux
design
and
your
thoughts
through
it,
people
can't
digest
really
more
than
seven
inputs
on
a
given
screen.
Like
that's
a
that's
a
human-centered
design
kind
of
established
fact.
So
how
many
inputs
do
we
have
on
the
screen?
B
So
you
know
people,
don't
they
they?
You
know
they.
They
generally
like
to
start
off
with
a
12-hour
format.
They
might
want
to
switch
to
24
hours.
So
where
would
we
put
that?
How
would
we
make
that
understood
that
they
could
do
that?
But
they
don't
like
there's
like
we
could
talk
about
this
thing
right
here.
Just
you
know
for
like
a
whole.
Another
couple
of
hours,
so
we
say
we're
on
a
week
one
two,
three
four,
five,
six,
seven
eight.
I
didn't
know
that
the
weeks
had
that
many.
B
B
B
The
thing
is
an
arrow,
maybe
just
a
super
slim
arrow.
If
they,
you
know,
you
know
whatever
the
thing
is
like:
how
can
I
there's
no
sort
of
implicit
you
wouldn't
want
to
color
code?
You
wouldn't
want
to
highlight
more
than
one
at
a
time,
but
there's
no
vertical
borders
either
anyway,
yeah
all
of
the
above
so.
C
B
D
D
What
really
measure
is
all
about,
but
you've
like
pointed
me
in
the
right
direction.
I
don't
need
to
understand
the
whole
project
as
a
whole
to
like
impact
on
the
project.
So
since,
since
joel
have
more
experience
in
the
ux
part,
I
think
I
would
I
would
like
walk
with
him.
You
know
I
would
be
messaging
him
from
time
to
time
see
if
he
has
figured
out
one
or
two
things
or
if
we
can
figure
out
the
channel
two
together
and
see
how
we
can
improve
that.
D
B
That's
great
yeah.
It
really
does
help
to
partner
up
by
the
way.
That's
actually
it's
because
four
or
five
of
you
said
hey,
I'm
I'm
interested
that
we're
like
it's
enough
like
yeah,
you
guys
will
reinforce
one
another
and
play
off
of
one
another
in
terms
of
ideas
and
in
terms
of
and
yeah
I
gotta
I'll,
be
honest.
I
like
there's
a.
B
I
would
say
this
that
even
if
there
were
35
people
in
the
call
that
the
overwhelming
majority
of
people
that
come
to
the
project
to
to
write,
golang
or
to
write,
react
or
whatever
the
language
guess
what
they
have.
No
freaking
clue
what
a
kubernetes
is
or
any
of
the
other
stuff
either.
Yes,
everyone
understands
the
calendar,
but
the
overwhelming
majority
there
in
the
exact
same
boat
as
you
guys
like
water,
I
don't
know,
and
where
do
they
start
like
just
talk
to
like
the
venue
is
going
to
give
a
talk
on
this.
B
You
start
with
adding
a
period
on
the
end
of
the
sentence.
Like
you
just
start
with
the
smallest
thing
you
can
freaking
find
you
just
add
value,
and
you
just
keep
going
and
guarantee
you.
We
only
want
to
support
people
who
are
adding
value.
We
only
want
to
uplift
and
help
them
do
more
and
yeah.
You
know
ignore
the
other
stuff
like
because
it
actually
that's
actually
that
right
there.
It's
so
funny,
because
I
I
know
people
don't
say
it,
but
I
know
that
they
internalized
that
what
I
just
said
as
like.
B
Well
I'm
better
than
that,
like
I
have
too
much
pride,
I'm
not
gonna
my
pride's,
not
gonna.
Let
me
just
sit
there
and
do
this
other
nonsense
or
I'm
like
you
said
I
need
to
go
around
and
like
copy
paste.
This
component
in
different
places
like
go,
find
some
other
monkey
to
do
it
like
you
know,
and-
and
I
get
a
chuckle
out
of
it.
It's
like
I'll
find
like
it's.
Not
that
I
don't.
I
don't
get
it
it's
not
that
I'm
upset
by
that.
B
I
get
a
chuckle
because
that's
human
nature
not
to
put
in
the
effort
in
the
work
to
do
the
thing
and
most
people
don't
ever
benefit
from
it.
They
don't
like
stick
around
put
in
the
work
and
the
longer
that
they
do
it,
the
more
they
benefit
from
it.
They
don't
make
it
and
they
end
up
not
having
great
jobs.
They
end
up,
not
being
that
smart.
They
end
up
because
they
didn't
want
to
put
in
the
eligible
greece
to
like
go.
Do
the
thing.
B
If
this
is
the
right
place
to
do
it,
then
I
encourage
you
to
dig
in
and
do
it,
and
if
this
isn't
the
right
place,
then
that
makes
sense
like
it
isn't
the
right
place.
It's
not
a
an
issue,
because
I
guess
what
I
was
trying
to
say
is
most
people
who
fall
prey
to
they're
like
yeah.
I
think
this
is
the
right
place.
This
stuff
looks
interesting.
These
guys
don't
seem
like
a-holes
or
totally.
I
don't
know
about
that.
B
Guy
lee,
but
nevandu
seems
nice
anyway,
and
so
I'm
gonna
try
to
put
in
the
effort
here
and
okay.
Well,
wait
why
I
need
to
have
the
full
context
of
like
before
I
take
anything
on.
So
let
me
just
and
that's
it
like
they're
lost,
it's
like
it's
like
they're
out
in
outer
space
and
they
get
severed
from
the
connection
to
the
spaceship.
You
don't
just
like
free
flow
out
into
no
man's
land
like
they
never
come
back
like
they're
gone
because
like,
if
I
don't
know
all
the
stuff
we're
doing.
B
B
Yeah
man,
all
right
cool.
Well,
you
know:
do
me
a
favor
if
you
guys
would,
as
you
go
to
dig
in
and
find
your
spots
a
don't.
Let
me
bottleneck
you.
There
are
other
people
that
are
trusted.
Other
leaders
in
the
community
that
are
trusted
that
can
that
can
steer
you
right
that
can
enable
access
to
things
or
can
help
be
a
sounding
wall
that
can
give
you
feedback
and
I'll,
maybe
I'll,
just
go
point
some
of
them
out
in
the
slack.