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From YouTube: Layer5 Websites Meeting (Dec 7th, 2020)
Description
Welcome Kashyap and Vishal!
A
A
A
B
B
B
All
right,
let's
start
this
meeting,
so
this
is
the
websites
call
where
we
discuss
everything
related
to
the
layer,
5
side
projects.
There
are
currently
five
four
running
on
jekyll
and
one
running
on
gatsby,
more
expanding
that
later.
B
Apart
from
that,
we
have
a
pretty
full
agenda
today,
but
before
we
start,
we
have
this
years
old,
embarrassing
tradition
for
newcomers
to
introduce
themselves
on
the
first
call
they
attend,
and
I
really
like
the
name
fireflies.
So
would
you
like
to
start
five
things
and
please
tell
us
your.
B
C
B
B
All
right,
thanks:
do
you
want
to
tell
us
a
little
about
yourself.
C
Yeah,
I
mean
okay,
I'm
working
as
a
devops
engineer
and
I
have
almost
five-year
experience.
So
I've
been
working
with
technology
like
kubernetes,
istio
and
other
kubernetes
stuffs
so
means
I
want
to
learn
and
contribute
to
this
open
source.
D
E
The
fireflies,
I
guess
fireflies,
is
like
a
note,
ticker
app.
It's
like
a
bot.
I
guess
we're
generally
using
like
to
recorder
meetings
and
transcript
of
the
meeting
so
that
it's
easier
to
review
than
meetings
and
I'm
not
using.
E
What
is
this
I
have
used
before
in
my
classes
as
well
before?
Oh
again,
it
kind
of
works
like
that.
I
think
I
don't
know
if,
like
the
real
person
is
also
available,
the
person
who
invited
this
bot
or
the
person
I
mean
just
confusion,
yeah.
So
that's
her
talk
and
sorry
for
being
so
not
attending
the
meeting.
Lately,
I'm
just
I
I
think
I
might
dmd
I
I
just
missed
semester
got
over.
B
Sure
all
right
kasha
would
you
like
to
go
next.
G
G
So
I
have
pretty
good
experience
in
on
the
cloud
platforms
predominantly
on
aws
and
gcp,
and
also
have
very
good
experience
in
kubernetes
serverless
technologies
like
aws,
lambdas
and
yeah.
I
work
on
some
of
the
like
creating
solutions
on
top
of
cloud
platforms,
scalable
solutions.
A
That's
awesome,
that's
fantastic!
That's!
Oh,
that's
great!
By
the
way,
both
for
I
think
kaship
and
it's
fantastic
that
you
guys
are
here.
First
of
all,
but
second,
as
you
look
across
the
calendar
of
meetings
that
are
held
in
the
community,
you
will,
you
might
be
naturally
attracted
to
some
versus
the
next
you're,
absolutely
welcome
to
join
all
of
them.
Please
do
in
this
particular
one.
A
We
end
up
talking
about
well,
there's
a
number
of
web
properties
that
represent
the
various
open
source
projects
and
there's
also
a
web
app.
Well,
a
couple
web
apps
for
mesheri
and
and-
and
so
it's
on
this
call
that
we
end
up
talking
much
more
about
those
items
and
and
then
geez,
I'm
trying
to
think
real
quick
on
the
wednesday
call
for
is
it's
called
the
measuring
development
call.
There's
it's
fairly.
A
A
It's
not
infrequent
that
we're
talking
about
things,
the
the
some
of
the
same
technologies
that
both
of
you
had
just
mentioned.
So
you
might
find
that
wednesday
call
is
a
isn't.
Is
one
of
interest
the
community
call
on
friday
as
well,
is
pretty
broad
in
its
set
of
topics.
We
often
have
people
presenting
work
that
they've
done
here,
or
just
people
sort
of
within
the
broader
ecosystem,
different
service,
mesh
teams
coming
and
presenting
and
and
so
yeah
there's
a
lot
to
there's
a
lot
to
get
into.
A
I
think
vishal
vishal
and
I
were
chatting
about
a
github
action
workflow
or
we
use
github
actions
across.
I
don't
know
the
40-something
repos
that
we
have.
Some
of
the
workflows
are
somewhat
complex.
Some
of
them
are
pretty
simple,
but
some
devops
oriented
things
happen
in
there.
Moreover,
the
projects
themselves
we
have
like
meshery,
specifically,
we
have
too
few
hardcore
users
giving
trying
to
do
different
things
with
measuring
trying
to
do
different
things
with
service
meshes
and
too
few
of
them
giving
feedback
or
like
here's
an
example.
A
Someone
was
in
a
community
recently
and
was
asking
was
looking
at
the
compatibility
matrix
from
street.
Like
what
platforms
can
you
deploy
measuring
onto
and
there's
there's
a
list?
It's
like
hey,
we've
ta,
we've
verified
mastery
measure
working
in
eks
in
gke
and
on
docker
and
all
these,
but
one
of
the
ones
that
we've
yet
to
do
it
on
to
verify
compatibility
with
like
is
open
shift
and
there's
no
doubt
that
mesherie
is
compatible
with
openshift.
A
A
So
you
know
just
kind
of
a
random
example
of
like
the
fact
that
there's
that,
while
there
may
not
be
a
ton
of
there
might
be
some
devops
discussion
on
this
call
or
devops
related
or
a
cloud
solution.
Architecture
related
things,
but
but
don't
be
mistake.
A
Don't
think
that
there
isn't
a
ton
of
that
happening
if
you
here
in
the
community,
if
you
don't
see
it
on
this
call,
so
there
is
and-
and
if
you,
if
you
can't
see
it,
I
come
come-
tell
me
or
or
there's
some
others
in
the
community-
that
I'll
point
you
to
that
that
you
should
meet
and
be
introduced
to
and
they'll
they'll
tell
you
so
they'll
point
you
in
the
right
direction.
B
All
right,
that
being
said,
let's
move
on
to
the
agenda
we're
already
13
minutes
in
thanos,
you
like
to
start
us
off.
H
H
H
H
As
far
as
I
know,
because
I
tried
changing
the
font
size
and
it
is
having
no
no
effect
here.
So
apart
from
that,
the
font
is
taking
effect
that
I
know,
but
due
to
some
reason,
there
is
some
problem
in
the
home
page.
I
don't
know
from
where
it
is
taking
the
css
currently.
A
Yeah,
I
got
it
one
thing
to
to
test
out.
Tunisia
is,
I
think,
in
the
the
brand,
the
brand
guide
that
highlights.
You
know
that
that
specifies
what
that
specifies
the
topolog,
the
typography
funny.
We
talk
about
visual
topology,
so
much
in
some
of
the
other
projects
that
I
anyway,
the
type
the
typography.
A
A
That
that
may
or
may
not
have
any
effect
another
thing
to
to.
Actually
this
is
just
kind
of
a
point
of
interest
to
me
in
general.
You
know
it
says,
operate
any
service
mesh
with
confidence,
whoa
well
one.
If
you
would
if
we
can
drop
the
period.
That
would
be
good.
I
think
and
try
try
this
if
you
would
because
it'll
help
us
see
how
much
of
the
font,
where
we're
successfully
able
to
manipulate
there's
a
the
in
in
that
font
itself.
A
There's
the
I
think
it's
called
li,
there's
a
regular
light
light
italics,
something
something
the
operate
any
service
mesh.
If
you
were
to
go
to
the
light
or
up
a
level,
I
think
there's
like
two
there's
like
six
levels
of
thick
of
weight,
maybe
specified
by
name
not
by
weight
so
much,
but
by
name
the
canelo's
soft
light
or
skinny
or
whatever
it's
called
for
the
operate.
The
operate
in
the
surface
mesh
part.
Maybe
let's
see
with
that.
A
F
A
You
know
I
can
we
can
see
your
mouse
moving,
but
I
cannot
see
anything.
Oh.
A
H
Yeah
yeah.
A
A
A
Okay,
well,
hey
I'm
game
to
maybe
troubleshoot
a
little
bit
after
the
call.
I
don't
know
that
I've
got
any
really
great
suggestions.
E
At
the
moment,
one
thing
like
for
the
complete
site
are
we
gonna
use
the
canelo's
font
or
only
for
a
few
headings
or
something.
A
Yeah
so
good
great
great
questions,
let
me
pull
up
there,
a
reference
it
is
it
wasn't.
It
was
announced
in
the
in
the
slack
channel,
which
is
entire,
which
is
like
really
easy
to
miss,
and
so,
and
so
there's
there's
a
halfway
complete
brand
guide
that
that
most
of
you
have
seen
in
the
past,
and
this
just
talks
about
the
layer
five
community
and
who
we
think
we
are
and
what
we
sort
of
stand
for,
who
we're
what
we're
trying
to
it.
A
Sort
of
characterizes
the
a
bit
of
the
culture
and
part
of
our
vision
and
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
and
et
cetera,
et
cetera
and
part
of
that
is
the
fact
that
we're
the
part
of
that
is
like
rules
around
how
to
make
things.
Look
pretty.
I
guess
so
in
here.
A
The
short
answer
to
your
question.
Nikhil
is
that
there's,
I
think,
with
the
intention
is
to
use
two
fonts
open
sans
is
what
we've
been
using,
and
we
would
continue
to
use
that,
but
primarily
primarily
for
for
for
most
text
like
for
the
the
body,
the
paragraphs
that
type
of
thing
and
then,
where
we
have
headings
to
use
a
very
s
well,
mostly
similar,
looking
slightly
different
font,
canelo
soft,
but
just
for
headings
and
and
when
you
think
of
it.
A
A
A
E
H
So
so
what
I
did
currently
was,
I
used
two
things
for
finding
related
post
like
if
two
posts
have
a
common
tag,
then
that
blog,
I
am
giving
suppose
plus
one
point
and
if
the
categories
are
same
and
giving
plus
two
points
so
like
this,
who
are
having
the
most
points
after
then,
the
top
six
I'm
displaying
here.
A
H
Yeah
at
the
moment,
all
of
them
has
three
points,
because
the
tags
have
been
assigned
the
same
for
the
all.
The
blocks
currently
and
categories
have
not
been
defined,
so
I
commented
out
that
code
for
now.
A
It
looks
pretty
good,
hey
just
quick
feedback
from
me
that
that
sounds
thanks
for
that
logic.
That
sounds
like
better
logic
than
I
could
have
suggested
in
part.
A
What
I
was
gonna
potentially
suggest
before
is
something
much
more
something
worse,
probably
something
more
static
like
if
you
really
want
you
know,
if
you
really
wanted
to
make
sure
that
these
were
highly
relevant
suggestions,
that
what
what
the
author
of
a
given
post
would
do,
as
as
the
the
three
individuals
that
wrote
this
post
were
writing
it
just
before
publishing
they
would,
they
would
identify
you
know
the
id
or
the
name
or
the
link
to
the
other
posts
that
they
think
are
related
and
and
that's
pretty
static.
A
So
so
thanks
for
putting
some
thought
into
a
system,
that
system
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
me.
I
think
if
time
would
tell
if
we
might
say
something
like
oh
posts
being
of
the
same
category
should,
while
they
get
a
point
for
that
that
maybe
that
point
should
be
more
heavily
weighted.
So
so
they
should
get
two
points
if
it's
in
the
same
category,
but
only
one
if
it's
the
same
tag
or
something,
and
I'm
not
suggesting
that
I,
but
that's
what
I'm
doing
though.
A
Oh
you
are.
Oh
it's
two
points
for
a
category
and
one
for
tech.
Okay,
and
that's
probably
what
you
said
earlier
and
I
didn't
pay
attention.
Okay,
so
the
only
other
comments
are-
and
I
don't
have
great
specific
guidance,
but
it's
this.
This
couldn't
be
more
ugly,
and
this
is
about
the
same
now
that
said
they're.
So
so
before
you
do
anything,
we
should
go
we'll
go,
do
a
design
so
that
we
can
like.
E
E
The
plugin
that
we
are
using
is
going
to
change
so
like
this
design.
A
Do
we
have
a
preview
of
what
that
is
there.
E
A
preview
of
that
plug-in.
No,
I
like,
like,
I
just
dropped
him
a
message,
but
he
said
that's
something
like
the
window.
Size
is
showing
some
error
in
production
mode,
so
like
I'll,
just
pin
him
again
if
he
could
provide
by
the
end
of
the
meeting.
A
A
Okay,
oops
I'll
since,
since
I'm
sharing,
I
won't
dive
digress
and
go
look
at
it,
but
I'll
try
to
find
it
later
so
tunuche
built
in
a
a
system,
a
scoring
system
to
determine.
A
E
By
the
way
drop
the
link
for
that
in
the
chat,
if
you
want
to
just
look
at
it,.
H
A
A
Step
better,
it's
just
like
just
barely
so,
but
we'll
we'll
get
it
figured
out
like
it's
probably
fine
here,
like.
E
This
is
the
most
highly
referenced
and
used.
So
that's
the
thing
we
are
using
this.
A
A
Oh
shoot
just
just
I
don't
know,
I
don't
have
the
right
suggestion,
but.
E
E
A
F
A
So
this
next
one
is
to
add
a
see
more
button
on
the
learn.
Page
go!
Learn!
Oh,
wait!
Hey
by
the
way,
did
someone
no
okay.
I
thought
someone
maybe
had
fixed
part
of
the
issues
with
the
yeah.
Okay
is
veneth
on
no,
mr
ready.
A
Okay,
anyway,
sorry
we're
on
the
learn
page.
H
A
It
might
also
work
well
for
both
the
books
and
the
workshops
to
take
to
basically
create
an
entry
in
that
collection
that
isn't
about
a
specific
book
or
a
specific
workshop.
But
is
a
generic
description
of
the
book
like
it?
It's
kind
of
nice
to
be
able
to
have
something
of
an
of
an
inlay.
A
Pasted
into
the
middle
somewhere
just
to
break
up
one
just
to
break
up
the
collection,
but
then
two
to
so
that
you
could
provide
a
description
of
the
fact
that,
hey
that
we
comment,
we
frequently
hold
workshops
on
service
mesh
technologies
and
and
to
describe
a
bit
about
them
anyway.
A
Just
thinking
out
loud
about
yeah
to
news
you're
right,
there
needs
to
be
a
description
of
what
these
things
are,
that
description,
rather
than
that
description
just
being
above
or
below
the
collection,
it
might
be
nice
to
grab
an
area
and
layer
in
the
description.
A
A
So
more
design
I've
tried
to
stop
giving
feedback
on
design
without
having
it
actually
designed
visually
designed,
because
I'm
desperately,
because
I'm
trying
not
to
make
there
be
a
bunch
of
back
and
forth
where
you
know
we're
you're
doing
a
little
bit
and
then
we
decide
something
else.
We
decide
something
else
and
also
because
some
of
the
feedback
is
probably
poorly
given
without
their
having
having
been
diligence
and
thought
on
the
collection
on
all
of
it
as
a
whole.
A
Now
now,
having
said
that,
just
now
in
some
respects,
it's
not
like
it's
a
massive
mistake
to
like
if
we
publish
the
site
today-
and
this
is
using
the
wrong
font-
is
it
is
in
this
case
I
would
say:
that's:
okay,
that's
not
the
end
of
the
world.
We
could
fix
that
even
if
it
went
live
like
that,
we
don't
want
to
do
that.
But
but
we
do
we
do
want
to
publish
the
site
before
the
end
of
the
month.
So
come
hell
or
high
water.
I
guess
all
right.
A
There
comes
something
so,
but
thank
you
to
news.
It
makes
sense
that
you're
cutting
you're
you're
taking
two
different
collections-
you're
cutting
them
off
at
based
on
their
relative
size,
is
that
a
hard-coded
number
three
and
six
or
three
and
nine,
or
is
that
a
percentage
of
their
overall
collection
number.
A
H
A
I
don't
know,
but
I
was
I
was
so
impressed
with
what
you've
done
on
the
the
system,
above
that
now
it's
sort
of
kind
of
one
step
forward
for
you
and
it's
sort
of
one
step
back
so
kind
of
sort
of
back
to
being
unimpressed.
A
I
don't
I
think
for
for
now,
like
I
don't
know
that
there
is
going
to
be
a
magic
number,
because
if
you
said
like
right
now,
if
there's
four
blog
four
books
by
the
way,
good
god
soon,
there
will
be
seriously
in
about
a
month
and
a
half
there'll
be
an
early
early
release
of
a
fifth
anyway.
I
don't
think
the
percentage
is
gonna
work
out
well
enough.
We
it's
not
like.
They
changed
that
much
hopefully
and
we're
having
two
workshops
this
week.
By
the
way,
oh,
I
forgot,
we
haven't
two
books
actually.
A
Yeah,
I
don't
know
that
there's
a
magic
number,
and
so
thanks
for
this
dude
anybody
else
have
feedback
on
learn
more.
My
feedback
is
that
I
still
don't
like
the
the
lightweight
or
the
the
light
button.
Color
this
it
just
looks
it
looks.
B
A
A
So
hey
guys
for
each
some
of
you
on
the
call
are
aware
that
if
you,
if
you're
here
long
enough,
then
we
try
to
uplift
your
work
as
you
go
and
part
of
uplifting
any
of
the
work
and
by
the
way
the
work
isn't
necessarily
writing
code,
it's
just
being
on
a
call
actually
just
being
engaged
in
the
community,
using
the
tools,
giving
feedback
on
the
tools,
not
even
using
the
tools
just
coming
and
giving
feedback
on
the
site
or
or
or
talking
about
how
the
community
is
managed.
A
Like
hey,
I
didn't
get
welcomed
for
like
two
days
after
I
joined
and
then
finally
I
did.
I
wasn't
even
sure
that
there
was
a
community
and
like
any
amount
of
engagement,
is
great,
and
that
means
that
you're,
you
eventually
become
a
consistent,
quote-unquote
contributor,
just
a
consistent
community
member
and
we've
had
you
know,
there's
like
almost
1300
people
who
have
joined
the
community
slack
and
that
sort
of
forms
the
center
of
the
community,
and
eventually
we
get.
You
know
people.
A
It
used
to
be
the
case
that
we
would
just
put
people's
picture
and
and
their
name
eventually
we
get
to
know
people
better
and
we
start
to
list
out
how
to
get
in
contact
with
them
and
and
as
we're,
improving
how
it
is
that
we're
representing
the
members
of
the
community,
we're
that
is
starting
to
take
better
shape
around
identifying
a
little
bit
about
how
how
they're
engaged
or
to
what
degree.
So
there
are
contributors
here
there
are
maintainers
here.
There
are
mesh
mates
here
at
some
point
there
will
be
mesh
masters
here.
A
There
are
project
leads.
There
are
working
group
leads,
there's,
there's
quite
a
few
hacks
to
be
worn
anyway
for
vinayak
he
wears
a
contributor
hat
and
actually
venatic
is
sort
of
the
last
one
responsible
for
redesigning
this
page.
So
if
you
can
see,
there's
a
small
animation
that
happens
where
the
border
radius
is
applied,
which
is
a
design
element
that,
as
we
go
to
use
that
here,
we
should
consider
we
might
do
some
similar
use.
Something
similar
in
other
areas.
A
A
There's
a
a
new
project
that
we
that's
called,
get
nighthawk
it'll
have
its
own
logo
soon,
there's
the
land
service,
mesh
landscape,
there's
images,
there's
all
these,
so
it's
up
to
the
community
member
to
so
so,
as
we
go
to
revise
these
there's
a
call
to
action
for
every
community
member
to
come
back
and
fill
in
their
additional
details,
and
so
some
of
you
that
are
on
the
call,
actually
probably
need
to
come,
submit
a
pr
to
update
your
existing
profile
details.
A
A
If
you'd
like
to
have
a
card
up
here,
please
let
please
let
me
know
I
would
be
interested
in
that
and
and
you
have
to
earn
it,
I
guess
is
what
I'm
saying
and
that's
in
part
why
we
try
to
make
it
look
so
nice,
because,
because
we
want
to
uplift
people
who
are
helping
and
that's
one
of
like
19
ways
that
we
uplift
people.
So
that's
that's.
That,
though,
does
anybody
have
any
feedback.
A
E
Question
like:
are
we
going
to
fix
those
badges
like
only
those
like
there
won't
be
anything
extra
apart
from
these
seven
things,.
E
Yeah,
like
I
mean
there,
won't
be
any
other
badge
like
the
who,
whoever
the
contributor
is,
has
to
pick
out
of
these
seven
things.
Only
right,
oh.
A
So
there's
one
yeah
there's
so
there's
one
here:
that's
it's
a
community
badge
that
is
really
intended
yeah.
A
We
probably
need
a
better
description
about
sort
of
how
and
where
the
badges
get
assigned
there's
to
date,
there's
only
been
one
badge
that
has
really
ever
been
assigned
and
it's
or
assigned
slashed
earned,
and
it's
this
mesh
mate
badge,
and
certainly
people
who
are
mesh
mates,
have
to
do
a
bit
of
work
and
I
have
to
it
would
be
unfair
to
them
if
others
sort
of
accidentally
or
willy-nilly
assigned
it
to
their
profile,
if
they
aren't
doing
that
same
work,
if
they're
not
putting
in
that
time
and
effort,
and
so
I
think,
given
that
we
do
that,
all
of
the
updates
to
the
site
are
made
through
pull
requests.
A
All
of
the
updates
are
reviewed,
so
I
don't
consider
that
we'll
have
in
any
inappropriate
behavior,
but
to
lay
down
a
quick
this
this.
What
I'm
about
to
say,
needs
to
be
written,
written
down
and
and
publicly
available,
but
it's
sort
of
like
hey
when
when
would
I
and
when
is
it
appropriate
to
assign
a
badge
for
the
most?
A
For
the
most
part,
like
most
of
the
badges
that
are
here,
I
think
it's
it's
sort
of
left
to
the
community
member
for
they
themselves
to
say
hey.
I
feel
like
I'm
familiar
enough
with
mashari.
Maybe
I've
just
used
it.
Maybe
I
just
understand
it.
Maybe
I've
contributed
a
lot
of
code
to
it.
Maybe
I've
worked
on
the
docs.
A
Maybe
I've
recorded
a
video
to
show
others
how
to
use
it
whatever
it
is
that
if
they're
feeling
comfortable
with
the
project
and
to
potentially
come,
you
know
comfortable
enough
to
have
others
come
talk
to
them
about
it,
then,
to
me,
that's
sort
of
the
probably
the
bar
by
which
they
should
that
they
would
be
encouraged
to
assign
that
badge.
E
Yeah,
like
that,
can
be
like
that
you
can
look
into
when
we
review
those
pr's
but
like
if
we
have
something
like
a
convention
or
something
it
would
be
better
like
we
won't
be
telling
each
of
those
let's
say
100
people
that
this
is
how
you
can
do
that,
or
something
like
that.
A
A
And
yeah
and.
F
E
Sorry
for
interrupt
yeah
one
thing
I
had
like:
if
someone
is
saying
that
he
has
contributed
to
mystery
or
some
other
project,
then
we
can't
say
that
no,
you
haven't
and
we
won't
be
adding
a
batch.
So
I
was
saying:
isn't
there
any
github
api
through
which
we
can
dynamically
fetch
if
he
or
she
has
switched
our
contributed
product
project
and
only
that
batch
will
be
displayed.
A
Yeah,
that's
a
good
yes.
There
there
there
most
certainly
is
and
then
and
then
this
next
thing
gets
in
the
way
which
is
well
so
random.
Just
randomly
I'm
calling
on
examples
like
someone
like
adina
is
maybe
that
okay,
that's
not
a
great
example.
A
Is
pratya
we
have
a
couple
of
pratias,
but
the
oh,
I'm
sorry,
geez,
pratik
tripathi,
you
know
great
guy
good
good
community
member
is
actually
been
focusing
on
community
has
helped
make
sure
that
we've
been
active
in
oktoberfest
and
has
he's
done
a
number
of
things?
Certainly,
I
think
he
would
want
to
assign
himself
the
community
badge.
E
E
Community
for
batch,
we
can
add
what
we
say
in
dmd
file.
A
A
I
think
in
part
vishal's
question
and
then
josh's
comment.
Nikhil's
comment
goes
to
goes
to
say
that
hey
we
do.
We
need
to
be
explicit
and
have
some
have
some
rules
if
you
will
or
some
system
this
some
of
this
stuff
is,
is
hard
to
get
right.
A
You've
got
to
try
to
get
it
right
from
the
start,
because
it's
going
to
feel
really
bad
if
you
strip
off
a
badge
from
someone
later,
and
it's
also
hard
because
a
lot
of
it's
soft,
so
here's
a
good
example
so
prem
senko
he's
he
hasn't,
contributed
an
alika
code
anywhere.
Although
what
prem
did
do
is
he
his
employee.
H
A
Harshini,
his
employee
wrote
the
network
service
mesh
adapter,
the
nsm
adapter,
okay.
Well,
that
doesn't
really
mean
that
premise
is
necessarily
in
the
community.
Does
it
no,
but
what
prem
did
do
is
co-present
with
us,
mesheri
love,
you
know,
nsm
loves
mesri
at
and
the
first
network
service
mesh
con
and
so
like
hey.
He
got
up
on
stage
at
cubecon
with
us
and
talked
about
mastery
and
nsm.
A
That
feels
like
contributing
to
me,
although
he
didn't
do
any,
you
know
coding,
but
he
did
assign
an
employee
to
help
with
coding,
and
he
did
you
know
he
was
engaged,
he's
very
nice
and
he's
very
promotional
of
layer.
Five
is
he's
a
friend
of
the
of
lair
five,
and
so
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
some
of
it
is
so
so
soft
or
it's
like
yeah,
someone
wrote
a
blog
post
or
they
wrote
a
few
or
they
and
anyway.
A
This
is
why,
like
the
community,
building
up
one
and
having
all
the
individual
relationships
with
every
single
person
that
comes
through
is
very
much
desired.
It
takes
a
lot
of
darn
time
and
some
of
it's
just
a
judgment
call
as
well.
So
the
the
the
pitch
of
it
is
that,
right
now
you
know
we
have
inactive
and
active.
Well,
I
gotta
tell
you,
actually
peng
hasn't
been
around
for
a
couple
a
couple
three
months
now.
Okay,
so
is
he
still
active?
Well,
I
don't
know.
A
I
do
know
that
if
he
ever
comes
that
for
anyone
who
comes
to
look
and
they
see
themselves
as
an
inactive,
some
folks
that
come
to
look
they're
like
oh
yeah,
you
know
clearly
I
haven't
been
here
in
a
year,
but
where
that
line
is
and
what
constitutes
contributing
things
it
needs
to
be
written
down,
but
and
it
needs
to
be
done
in
such
a
way
that
the
two
things
are
held
in
balance.
A
One
is
that
just
because
you
have
a
card
up
here,
you
doesn't
mean
that
you
should
have
any
badge
having
a
card.
A
profile
is
enough
of
a
badge
on
a
badge
unto
its
own.
It's
not
the
case
that
everyone
should
have
the
community
badge.
No,
the
community
badge
is
for
those
like
pratik
who
sig
who
said
hey,
I'm
here
and
actually
I
think
I
can
help
with
some
events
and
some
organizing
and
making
sure
that
people
have
the
right
resource.
A
A
He
and
that's
the
only
badge
that
pratik
should
carry,
because
he
just
hasn't
materially
contributed
to
any
of
the
other
projects,
or,
I
think
onesie
twosie
things
and
those
are
totally
appreciated
not
to
be
downplayed
at
all
that
how
appreciated
those
are
but
they're,
not
nearly
on
the
order
of
contribution
of
that
others
have
done
for
those
projects,
and
so
where
that
line
is
oh,
okay,
oh
well,
let's,
let's,
let's
say
it's
after
three:
pull
requests:
okay,
yeah,
but
again
it's
not
all
about
pull
requests.
A
Now
that
said,
if
it
was
three
blog
posts,
each
of
those
blog
posts
go
into
a
pull
request.
Well
then,
it
kind
of
is
about
you
know,
there's
some
things
that
are
softer
or
not
non-code
things.
You
can
still
measure
in
a
pull
request
and
like
to
answer
vishal's
question
like
yes,
absolutely,
if
someone's
here
writing
a
blog.
That
means
they're,
probably
materially,
engaged,
and
it's
it's
more
about
giving
back
and
helping
uplift
those
that
are
that
are
giving
to
the
community.
A
So
the
problem
is
like.
Well,
you
can't
just
be
hey.
They
landed
three
pr,
so
automatic,
that's
the
checkbox
for
them
to
get
the
the
the
profile.
Well.
Why?
Why
well?
Because
they
might
have
had
one
line
in
each
pr
or
something
and
where
someone
else
or
had
000
commits
in
one
pr
it's
like
well,
so
it
all
breaks
down
and
no,
I
wouldn't
use
the
github
api
to
do
and
it
you'll
never
use
voice.
A
A
Well,
what
about
when
nikhil
is
going
over
to
the
open
service
mesh
community
and
opening
up
an
issue
over
there
to
ask
that
they
have?
You
know,
create
a
listing
in
the
landscape
here.
What
that
isn't?
That
doesn't
count?
That's
not
well,
technically,
it
doesn't
or
it
doesn't
get
counted,
because
that
was
in
a
different
organ.
So
we
don't
count
that
okay,
but
what,
if
all
I've
been
doing?
A
Is
I've
been
spending
a
ton
of
time
finding
discovering
issues
and
documenting
the
crap
out
of
them,
listing
down
the
re,
the
reaper
repro
steps
and
all
like
there's
so
many
examples
of
things
you
can't
programmatically
quantify
and
that
is
actually
really
hard
to
quantify
even
outside
of
being
programmatic
about
it
is
one:
oh,
you
wrote
three
blog
posts,
but
yours
were
a
paragraph,
a
piece,
whereas
the
other
ones
had
videos
about
like
it's
all
soft,
it's
all
about
relationships
and
people
and
understanding
where
they're
at
and
how
they
feel
natish
has
done
some
very
impactful
things
here
and
and
he's
inactive
and
needs
to
be
represented
as
such,
but
but
he
might
come
back
next
week,
and
so,
if
he
sees
this
enacted,
he'll
feel
bad
about
it.
A
So
it's
all
very
delicate.
So
from
the
very
first
moment
that
we
put
up
the
very
first
profile,
I
was
extremely
hesitant
to
do
it
because,
because
the
way
that
most
people
feel
is
that
it's
a
one-way
thing,
you're
sort
of
you're
feeling
good
you're,
feeling
good
you're,
feeling
good
and
yeah
it
can
be
difficult.
That's
in
part,
why
we're
still
trying
to
represent
people,
even
though
they
might
be
inactive,
is
because
it's
not
like
just
because
the
adapter
is
a
year
old,
doesn't
mean
that
we
don't
aren't
as
thankful
for
that
time
spent.
A
We
shouldn't
have
this
conversation
now
because
we've
only
spoken.
So
what
needs
to
happen
to
everyone's
point?
Some
rules
need
to
be
written
down.
Some
rules
already
are
written
down
about
the
contributor
ladder.
What
it
mean
when
it
is
appropriate
and
josh
was
just
doing
this
with
a
member
this
morning,
when
is
it
appropriate
to
invite
someone's
github
user
to
the
layer
5
io
org?
A
It's
a
bunch
of
touchy-feely
stuff.
You
can
write,
write
some
of
it
down,
but
even
at
that
there
isn't
going
to
be
a
clear
delineation
or
a
clear
demarcation
which
yeah
it's
in
part.
Why
I,
like
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know,
I'm
the
right
thing
for
us
to
do
to
have
some
badges
to
represent
the
fact
that
a
given
individual
is
focused
on
one
project
or
the
next.
It
helps
as
you
could
imagine
that
what
would
be
ideal
on
a
page
is
if
you're
looking
here
and
you're
like
okay.
A
Actually,
you
could
have
this
direct
to
the
project
page
great
or
you
could
have
it
filter
on
the
list
of
all
members
who
are
also
intimacy
and
nikhil.
I
do
think
that
there
is
merit
in
interfacing
with
github
api
and
pulling
back
some
stats.
The
thing
is,
okay,
is
it
prs?
Is
it
commits?
Is
it
reviews?
A
Is
it
closed
prs
only
and
and
that's
fine
like
hey,
we
don't
have
to
sit
here
and
talk
about
that
for
a
long
time.
It
can
just
be
it's
commits
or
whatever
fine.
Let's
commit
this
to
show
some
numbers
and
and
some
if
people
care
enough
and
things
some,
some
people
will
always
try
to
game
the
system.
Well,
I'm
just
going
to
do
a
bunch
of
commits
you
know
like
a
ton
of
them
in
the
same
pr.
A
A
The
only
area
where
that
is
slightly
frustrating
is
when
or
if
it
detracts
or
if
it
detracts
from
someone
else
who's
here
and
is
consistently
here
and
is
trying
to
do
good
things
and
they
look
at
their
profile
and
think
geez.
I
only
have
like
35
commits
and
that
other
person
has
50.
A
H
A
Or
yeah
or
the
psychology
around
what
you're
inherently
as
you.
A
So
if
we
listed
statistics,
even
if
the
thought
for
us
was
hey,
we're
not
saying
that
pick
commits
are
more
important
than
pr's.
We're
just
listing
out
stats
like
this.
Just
that
that
said
people
assign
mentally
they
assign
value
to
them
or
they
don't
or
they
they
can
interpret
them
in
different
ways.
It
would
be
like
hey
hey,
why
don't?
We
have
a
leaderboard
for
all
the
contributors?
To
just
say
you
know,
here's
who's
got
the
most
issues
closed.
A
Wouldn't
that
well,
wouldn't
gamification
be
helpful
to
maybe
inspire
people
to
get
some
issues
closed
more
quickly
on
one
hand.
Yes,
it
absolutely
would,
on
the
other
hand,
if
you're
working
on
a
super
hard
issue
and
someone
else
is
closing
all
these
stupid
silly
ones,
it's
just
it's
yeah.
So.
A
A
I've
got
my
shirt
right
here.
Man
yeah,
I
know
yeah
yeah,
it's
it's
a
right.
It's
it's!
Those
darn
humans
that,
like
all
of
us,
that
kind
of
get
in
the
way
of
ourselves
like,
oh
and
so
the
the
reality
is
like
look
d.
I'll
use
this
as
an
example,
we
we've
just,
we
just
lost
the
we
just
lost
a
good
soldier.
We
just
lost
a
mesh
mate
herself
is
just
fine,
but
she
has
graduated
from
the
program.
A
She's
saying
she's
she'd
been
here
for
a
year
done,
awesome
things
helped
tons
of
people,
countless
people
and,
and
yet
she,
you
know,
she's
her
she's
ready
to
focus
elsewhere,
so
she's
she's
being
moved
to
emeritus
status,
or
she
knows
we
want
to
thank
her
for
all
the
time
that
she
put
in
and
but
she's
not
going
to
be
active
in
that
wearing
that
hat
anymore
and
what
I'm
trying
to
well,
here's.
A
What
I'm
trying
to
say
is
we
actually
need
about
twice
as
many
mesh
mates,
because
when
vishal
and
keshap
and
and
ayush,
when
that
when
people
join
and
they're
like
hey
what
you
know
I'd
like
to
do
some,
you
know
what
are
you
guys
doing
with
kubernetes?
You
guys
use
an
argo
cd
or
you
guys.
You
know
like
just
when
people
want
to
engage
and
do
things.
A
That's
what
that's
in
part.
What
mesh
mates
are
here
for
us
to
engage
folks
and
help
them
get
familiarized
with
the
community
and
projects,
and
we
need
more
of
them.
So,
even
though
we
need
twice
as
many
the
process
of
so
I've
warned
josh
about
this
in
the
past
that
he's
he
as
he
as
he
more
or
less,
has
been
doing
that
with
people
he's
in
danger
of
becoming
a
mesh
mate.
The
thing
is
it
takes.
A
We
couldn't
just
go
over
and
assign
that
to
josh
unless
he's
doing
it,
the
the
people
have
to
be
doing
it
to
be
able
to,
and
so
that
I'm
just
kind
of
thinking
out
loud
about
the
other
badges.
It's
like
okay,
well,
yeah,
I
don't
know
there
needs
to
be
some
rules
around
the
stuff.
A
I
think
those,
but
this
badge
I
hope,
is
one
of
of
pride
and
when
we
create
the
mesh
masters
badge,
I
hope
that
that's
an
even
more
nerdy,
even
higher
level
of
nerdiness
and
that
people
take
pride
in
it,
the
other
quote-unquote
badges.
A
But
in
part
my
thinking
or
the
maybe
we
need
to
change
the
design
so
that
it
becomes
a
little
more
distinct,
that
this
is
a
badge
and
this
is
something
to
be
respected
and-
and
you
know,
and
while
the
others
are
more
like
areas
of
focus
or
hey,
are
areas
of
interest,
and
we
should
really
clarify
what
that
what
what
this
means
you,
I
agree
with
all
of
you.
It's
it's
confusing.
So
did
they
contribute
to
this?
Are
they
knowledgeable
on
it?
Are
they
interested
in
that
or
what
or.
A
We'll
go
I'll,
go
write
that
down
and
socialize
that,
with
with
you,
all
shriti
will
be
putting
in
her
thoughts
as
well,
and
then
ask
for
your
feedback
and
nikhil.
I
I
was
saying
earlier:
oh,
we
shouldn't
use
the
github
api
for
qualifying
weather
that,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
shouldn't
use
the
github
api
for
some
other
things
like,
even
though
it
would
actually
be,
even
though
like
having
that
leaderboard
that
I
was
talking
about
well.
A
Moreover,
when
we
have
a
community
call
on
fridays
or
even
now,
and
we're
talking
about
what
we're
implicitly
doing
is
basically
stepping
through
recent
commits
and
talking
about
them
and
recent
contributions
right,
we're
kind
of
walking
and
so
actually
having
a
rolling
like
hey
this
week's
you
could
imagine
as
part
of
the
community
as
part
of
the
program
that
we
have.
Is
that,
like
hey,
hey,
we,
you
know,
we
want
to
thank
this
week's
leaders
and.
A
And
you
know
anyway,
interfacing
with
github.
It
would
be
good,
there's
some
stuff.
We
want
to
pull
back.
It
would
be
interesting
just
so
some
other
just
other
interesting
things
to
show
like
right
now
we
keep
track
of
the
number
of
people
who
use
meshri,
who
sign
in
authenticate
and
sign
in
that
would
be.
I
think
that
would
be
great
to
show
on
the
meshery
project
page
like
today.
I
don't
know
if
it's
on
this
particular
page,
but
if
today
you
can
see
many
people,
how
many
tests
have
been
run
and
that's
pretty
cool.
A
Actually,
maybe
it'd
be
nice.
If
there's
a
small
timeline
like
same
thing,
same
thing
for
the
community,
yeah
there's
definitely
ways
that
we
can
lay
into
layer
in
some
stats.
So
maybe
the
stats
are
not
specific
to
a
person,
but
where
we
might
want
to
start
is
like
number
rate,
a
number
of
community
members
rate
of
commits
across
the
projects
or
fastest
growing
project
or
like
something
that's
anonymous
to
individual
people,
but
still
could
be
taken
yeah
as
a
point
of
pride
or
you
know,.
E
A
Yeah,
there's
a
bunch
of
stuff
in
the
community
that
I
would
love
to
for
us
to
do.
One
is
like,
since
I
keep
on
picking
on
both
of
the
vishal's
and
and
kasha
on,
the
phone
is
that
if
they,
if,
if
these
individuals
were
inclined
like
I'd
like
to
send
out
a
tweet
that
says,
hey,
you
know
it's
been
really.
It
was
really
nice
to
welcome
vishal
into
the
community
and.
A
To
do
much
more
of
that
sort
of
a
thing
and
or
to
make
sure
that
everyone
that
joins
the
community
understands
that
the
blogs
out
here
are
that
they're
welcome
to
contribute
to
these
as
well.
That
and
this
actually,
I
need
this.
This
is
what
needs
to
go
on
to
the
about
page
on.
The
community
is
a
bit
of
a
description
of
the
fact
that
the
later
five
open
source
community
is
a
platform
for
shared
success,
something
for
people
to
hoist
themselves
up
on
and
push
themselves
and
graduate
from.
B
I'm
really
really
sorry
to
interrupt
your
battery
settlement's
over
and
we
should
probably
be
allowing
anybody
with
a
meeting
in
the
next
five
minutes
to
leave
we're
almost
done
with
the
agenda
today
and
I'm
really
sorry
interrupted.
If
you
want
to
finish,
please
go
ahead.
No.
B
26
issue
there's
nothing
much
to
discuss
there
really.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
what
kind
of
descriptions
you
wanted.
E
Yeah,
like
as
tunnels
pointed
out
that
we
need
a
description
on
pages
like
let's
say:
if
it's
the
books
page,
then
we
need
to
write
something
like
we
write.
Books
like
lee
can
write.
Something
like
lee
is
the
author
of
many
books
and
something
like
that
like
it
just
shows
the
collection
only
like
if
you
open
the
books
page,
it
shows
four
cards,
nothing
else
so
like
we
need
to
have
something
more
than
that
in
in
it.
E
B
Yep,
can
you
scroll
down
a
tiny
bit.
B
Might
all
right?
No,
I
wanted
to
point
something
out
that
I
saw
before,
but
if
the
page
is
incomplete,
then
I
have
no.
E
B
All
right
that
concludes
the
active
agenda
for
today.
I
suppose.
E
New
issues,
yeah
yeah,
just
two
minutes,
if
you
can
just
open
back
the
screen.
E
Yeah,
like
anyone
on
the
call
there
are
four
issues
like
two
of
them
are
old
and
two
are
like
really
new
and
anyone
wants
to
pick
them
up
like.
There
are
very
straightforward
issues,
just
some
things
to
add
in
a
page
or
something
like
that.
So
if
you
can
take,
if
you
want
to
learn-
or
if
you
want
to
do
something,
you
can
take
those
up.
A
Nice
all
right,
sh
anything
else,
shreddy.
B
No
that's
it
for
today.
I
think
if
nobody
else
has
anything
else.
B
All
right
great
that
reminds
me
the
dark
side.
Permanent
has
also
been
changed.
That
needs
to
be
regurgitated
across
the
projects.
The
link
several
in
several
places.
B
All
right,
that's
it
that's
it!
Thank
you
for
coming
on
everybody.
Thank
you
for
staying
in
the
call
for
10
extra
minutes.
That
usually
happens,
so
I
won't
go
and
try
to
negate
that.
But
thank
you
for
coming
on
same
time
next
week
for
this
particular
meeting.
If
you
want
to
attend
other
community
meetings,
go
look
at
the
table
on
day.
Five
go
talk
and
slack,
that's
it!
Thank
you
see
you.