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Layer5 Websites Meeting - June 27th, 2022

Agenda:
layer5.io
- Meshery cloud - sign up page demo
- Writing Program
- Executive Bio
- Blog
-Multi-cluster: needs new thumbnail
-Abhi: up for review, requires thumbnail
-Subedy: final draft
-Yash: next draft yet to be made
- Dark mode updates #2910
- Discord server proposal (Kanika and Jaideep)

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A

All right so hi everyone welcome to the websites called. uh We always begin. This call with the introduction of our newest members. So if there's anyone on the call who's attending the website's call for the first time, you can introduce yourself to the community. uh Let us know what brings you here what you work on anything you'd like so anyone who's joining the call for the first time.

B

B

Foundation and I found the project to be very interesting and the tech stack of the measuring ui was well aligned with my skills, so I know I wanted to be a part of uh big open source. I found mystery best for me today. I don't, I didn't know where to start, so I thought uh joining the meeting with. Let me know about the websites projects that is in the next video. That's why I joined it.

A

Yeah, the meetings are like the best place to begin with, and if you're into measuring ui, you should also join the development call which happens on wednesdays, where we discuss more about measuring um the measuring components.

A

So welcome welcome.

B

Thanks a lot and hi everyone.

A

All right who else is attending the call for the first time I see a couple of new farmers here uh sugra. This is your first call right? Yes, yes, it's my first call.

B

Am I audible enough.

A

B

So I also first time came to know about missionary through the latest foundation, but I thought that rather applying to linux. Let me start the thing myself, so I joined through the slack in the machine website like there's a some link I found and going to the slack, and I saw there's a stigma link and I am a uis designer myself.

B

So I would like to contribute to the design part of the entire project on any project assigned to me, and I I'm looking forward to all the experts. I can gather and work with a great team.

A

And welcome to the community. So since you are into ui ux, we have a couple of new pages that we are publishing on our website. So maybe you can help with the design absolutely.

C

Absolutely yeah.

A

Okay, anyone else who's new.

A

uh Kanika, have you been to the websites call before like? I know, you've been to other calls, but.

D

Yeah um yeah, I have attended like the newcomers call and the development call. You can give a quick intro here as well, because new members, everyone sure so uh my name is kaneka.

D

I'm a second year student pursuing btech and I'm in I'm a full stack, burn developer and of course um I am very much interested in open source contributions like open source projects, and I got to know about measuring through the lfx mentorship program, and it's been like one to two weeks since I have joined the community and I think the work culture and the people are very nice here. So I would really look forward to contribute more to this community.

A

Thank you welcome once again, so, uh let's begin, I realized I haven't been sharing till now, so uh for all the newcomers, we maintain the meeting minutes so I'll share the link to the chat if you're attending on the attending. The call, please make sure you add your names in so yeah, and if you have anything you want to discuss, you can add it in the agenda items here as well right.

A

So I believe we don't have any other newcomers, so we can begin with the gender items right, yeah, okay, so the first topic is by uh oluwatobi your mastery cloud demo. So do you like to would you like to share your screen.

E

Yeah I'll share my screen.

E

And this is not going to, alternatively sign, you know, you know it just like switch between login and sign up and then so I created a full sign: okay, just assign yeah. So basically I have this um sign up page. That added I created is a reusable component for this sign up. So if you notice, I used it here and yeah, it's just specifically the same components here and here so I created the reusable components um and then I use this button. We log in and go sign up page.

E

I had a bit of problem changing the color of youtube icon. I really loved that because I tried I wrapped it in a beef and changed the colors. Do nothing change, so I think there's a problem with the iphone, because I just imported the social media orbs, like I think, there's a social media um component and the social media alternative components, and I think this is not being able to change it. Also, I haven't added authentication to any of social media.

F

Wow wow, this is great. um You went over and above actually, I I you did them uh both or like both this screen and the other one which is which is really good because they are quite likely to both be used.

F

um You even did so well as to include the mistakes that are inside of the design, which is in a lot of respects, commendable, because um because the way that things are supposed to work is that the design is supposed to be accurate down to the pixel and then and then the individual, that's implementing is supposed to pay attention to every pixel and make sure that it follows the design.

F

In your case, you in your case, you got a design that was like uh only so complete, so so it's great yeah you're right that particular youtube icon is. It has caused this a little bit of a pain in the past I mean it was just recently updated.

F

The pain that it had caused is that that right facing triangle- or at least that's how I think of it um in the center, was what was white and or white colored white filled and instead of being transparent.

F

And so I don't know last couple of weeks or so there was an update to create a mask to crop it out and probably in that process, the color that charcoal colorish.

F

Is probably encoded into the svg itself, you can override that color with css or.

F

I was going to say or just modify the svg directly svgs, I always think of them as pictures, but then lose sight of the fact that they're, nothing but just xml on the inside, and so they can be opened up and sort of hand edited.

F

But anyway that's that yeah. This looks great um on the other page, the one where you've got. Oh there's one thing where actually there's only from my part, there's only one piece of feedback and it's it's a doozy, and that is um the green five in the upper left hand corner is he's looking a little heavier than he normally is you look a little fatter than usual? That's because the five is skewed, so his belly's sticking out in the upper left-hand corner, um so just yeah look out for that.

F

Sometimes, when you specify both height and width, you end up in a situation in which it it gets, and probably it's deceiving to you, because maybe when your browser is um not as wide it probably wasn't. Looking so overweight.

E

Yeah, I didn't read so.

E

So you could alternate between login and sign up.

F

Do any of those work by by chance not the email and password but like the social platform buttons.

E

No, I always added authentication to them.

F

Gotcha no problem, it's cool. This is great um both of them both of the implementations that you've done add a new feature um that other contributors will wire up on the back end. um The new feature is that email and password, which is nice, because today we don't let people sign up with their own email and password. We we only support clicking on one of those identity platforms and that's the thing that we're looking to change. So this is good this.

F

This particular one gives people the the typical login or sign up kind of two different forms.

F

Nice does anybody else have feedback um on the these new pages.

A

uh Just one thing like right now: the sign up page, which is the active one that is highlighted with white rate, but it kind of gives them like to me. It looks like the login page is active right now, because the black color is used.

A

This is the sign up instead yeah, so maybe try inverting the two colors like since, on top it says, login but you're, currently on the signup page right yeah. So when you're on the screen, I guess.

E

So I think I could just like.

A

Yeah I'll fix that yeah. So basically that should change, and if that's black, then the active one should be active. Tab should be black and any other page that the full sign up page that you want just a small thing: use the mashery logo with the icon, because the other two uh projects have icons right so just to be, but otherwise.

A

Any other feedback, anyone.

A

No right, okay! Thank you so much so. The next topic is by me so.

F

That darn live stream.

A

um It's too liquidy, I don't know like.

F

If, if you have, if you happen to have the live stream open in a different tab or different browser, that might do it.

F

If not it's just because you like hearing yourself talk, I guess.

F

Cool, I don't hear it anymore, but you yeah.

A

Okay, so uh even I don't hear okay great, so we have a new writing program that it's published on the community handbook site. So this is for all the writers out there if you want to contribute, say a blog or a resource article. uh The first step that you'll have to do is fill out this form. So this is basically a instruction, a guide of how should you go about contributing? What are the various things you can contribute?

A

A blog resource and resource itself is like a huge library. So this contains a lot of stuff like it could be a tutorial. It could be a recorded webinar. Anything that you want. You could, if you're good with video editing and you make videos, you can also try something like this for us, a product, video of some sort- and yes, so the first thing you have to do is fill out the content form that is available over here. So after that we'll get in touch with you about whatever field.

A

It is that you want to work on so yeah. That's just something I wanted to bring up on the websites called once, because, if you're interested, you should go, fill this out um right. Anyone who is interested right now, you can like signal or just take your time with it. It gets like. Basically, you can write a blog on anything. You have done like any feature that you've implemented or if you've been stuck on a uh on an error for a long time and you finally fixed it.

A

Maybe you can share the fix with other people. The topics are endless, so anything that you want just share your ideas with us and we'll see how we can you know help you get your work published.

C

That's awesome.

A

So another thing was the executive bio that I was working on. uh Okay, so I'll share this in a bit. I forgot to like run my localhost right now, because my build is not working so I'll bring this up a little bit later so talking about blogs, so we have a couple of open prs uh for blogs, so I just wanted to point this out the multi-cluster blog. I reviewed it once uh the block is ready. I think it just needs a new thumbnail to go like otherwise.

A

From my end, the review is complete: uh abby's blog I'm yet to review. I think he's made his final uh pr like final draft uh updates, and it also requires a thumbnail uh aditya's blog. He has made a couple of changes reviewed your blog last day. So if you incorporate those changes, it'll be good and yes, your next draft is spending right.

C

I will make a video today.

A

Yeah uh so yeah I'll circle back on this one, so we can move on with harshit's topic here on the call right yeah. Do you wanna share your screen.

G

Okay, am I audible, yeah? Okay, I'm sharing my screen.

G

Okay see my screen visible.

H

G

Okay, so from a couple of weeks, I am working in a dark theme, so as I'm working uh on the process, I'm getting a reviews and I'm solving these issues. So this is the progress that I have changed. These shadows here.

G

And for the block pages, basically, I id added these same borders.

G

And after opening a block, uh we have these same borders to be compatible with the background, and I also changed some few pages here like I think the project page is done now. We have completed all almost all the pages now converted in a dark theme, and I will be making this.

G

Branch, so I want all the measuring contributors to review this and check the pr, because uh there are, I think, there's almost 30 to 40 pages. I changed so there's a high possibility that a few pages are in a fault or not working as it should be.

G

So any reviews.

F

On this yeah, so do you have? uh Can you show the theme or the um like the approach that that, like let's say if a new page was being added, and maybe some new styles were needed, as that new page was created, the author or authors would want to make sure that the page works well in either mode? And is there a convention that you're establishing of like you define it?

F

um You define a color using one css class and then the same name, css class, but but like the name of the other mode like what? How what are you proposing in terms of how the theme is managed, how they cover.

G

Okay, okay, I got it so basically, uh first, I I'm starting from the beginning uh from start, uh we have reloading the different pages here, like we have a different page here in different pages and after reloading we have. First, we have this navigation bar, which is changing the colors and basically every component is being shifted from a light theme color to the dark theme color and it's a for at the beginning.

G

If he does not have a color, so it's taking a color from our cookies and if cookies are undefined, it will default, go to the light color theme and basically, for we have here that, for example, okay, so, okay, let's start from the starting page.

G

Yes, so this is the landing page we got so first of all uh thing is happening that if we are taking uh theme from the cookies and if the cookies is undefined, we basically set it on the default, which is light mode and uh in a light theme. Basically, it uh uh changing the uh checking the theme, which is, if uh it's not a dark, it converted no light mode. No, no! It's not checking here. Basically, it's checking in our navigation bar, basically, okay, so, okay, we have to open the navigation.

F

Okay, so in every page, there's a common component um that performs the theme check: okay, yes,.

G

uh Yes, the uh we have a uh theme style for a individual component for each page. We have a different theme styles and it's taking the because we are loading the page from the beginning, so we have to get the themes for every page so and if the page is uh dark, so we we have this global styles and if the page is dark, we load this theme, this object, which decides the color for each component, and if you have a light, we load this object which decides color for a light theme.

G

So this is the process by which our dark theme is working.

F

Nice, hey uh the your visual studio code. The fact that you get the html color highlighted over the html code is that educate me enhance my development experience. What plugin is doing that.

G

uh It's basically a extension, I think the extension name is uh I I actually saw it on the instagram. I think I'd.

G

Yes, it's just extension. Yes,.

F

Cool um and if you would okay- and so this particular uh themestyles.js, this is an example of how are you differentiating? How are we there? It is export, constant, dark theme, so there's the light theme up top the dark theme down below, which is light um that okay and then so, just okay. So it's ver, it's a verbatim repeat right: it's an exact copy of one versus the next, the same names, okay gotcha.

F

So on a page like it's on the blog posts, um some of the images in the posts have a shadow, and some don't that's just how it is in the light theme today, um the so the the blog posts, there's a separate style sheet for that's generally reused across blogs is the excuse me is that the same approach that you took inside of blog styles um is to have a light section in a dark section.

G

For a blog post, we have a basically templates here and I changed basically our templates, which we use for our blogs, so the I see I saw that the block single is also taking uh global styles, so uh I used it at the same format that I use for every component. I have don't have to do as something extra. I just did it.

F

Okay, I got la, I got lost in your explanation. Can you go to uh you don't mind you can go to like collections blogs somewhere in there or in inside of vs code somewhere in there is a blog.js blog styles.js or something.

G

It says this is blog. We have a.

A

No, you have to go to the collection, folder.

G

Okay collections, yes,.

F

If you haven't seen this one yet surprise, there's multiple style sheets.

G

No, no, I actually already changed this. uh Basically, I don't know that this exists.

F

Nice, okay, are you you're, saying you're not familiar with this one just yet.

G

No, no, I already uh familiar with this and I already changed this- that this text reward. I also converted it to the dark theme for I already walked down this year.

F

um All right yep, because those tie into the main theme: okay, here's where you might have um some more work cut out for you is to the extent that I guess, if all you're concerned with are colors, you might just have to scour this particular style sheet for any colors that are locally defined, and then you might have to update them with the global reference.

F

Because otherwise, it'll just be one of those gotchas one of those like that white those variables right there, navy, gray, white such and such a you know I'm not even sure that those are used.

G

No they're not used, but okay, so.

F

Yes, there's one other there's a 100 news as well, and I think that's and then like and then and then every single component itself has its own like local, locally defined styles as well, which which I know you're aware of um but- and you were saying, you've gone through a number of pages now that that means that you've also gone through any number of existing components and you've yeah okay.

F

And then, when you find a locally s, hard-coded or locally statically defined color, that's probably a red flag for making sure that it gets updated to your theme color. I suppose.

G

Yes, that's actually the biggest problem from my site, because I have to then create a new object like this, and I have to place this and just choose color for the for a white theme, that's the same color and also I have to choose a color for that and dark theme there. This is the biggest part of this approach. Yeah.

F

Yeah yeah, which uh what week are we on now because, like I I'm still, I've still got my bet on like it's not a one week it like anyway, when you do that, if you don't mind um since you're in there and you're at your head space you're in that head space, where you've got like project card color project shadow, if you would take an extra moment to just visually segregate each individual um component section. So there's a project page that has project colors. If you just add a comment, that'd be nice to.

G

Okay, okay, uh this is obvious. I will do that. But uh yes, I am working on a approach now that it will work. Then I will just refactor everything. Oh yes, yes, um yeah.

F

Yeah does anybody else think this approach is like one of the things that this approach won't work?

F

One of the potential benefits of this type of approach is that it places pressure on best practices of central definition of colors, specifically colors, but of styles. You know kind of more generally sort of essentially defined styles and the reuse of those styles.

F

um Which sometimes is a pain in the rump, if you're, when you're, trying to execute on one particular thing in a component you're like oh, if I just updated it here, I know that it would change, but oh it's being controlled by this other component. I'm sorry, this other variable, and and now I'm scared. If gosh.

F

If I change the global variable gosh, what other components are going to be, you know impacted and then what ends up happening a lot of times, especially I think in an open source project like this there's 300 people who've contributed to this site, and you know most of them didn't stick around for a year, or most of them were here for a week or less or something which means most of them. Don't have the wherewithal to go.

F

Learn all of the centrally defined colors make the update and ensure that it doesn't impact somewhere else and which is why we end up with like more locally defined um things.

F

So I'm wondering if yeah, if you, if you reflect on that for a minute, because what'll end up happening, if that was the way that things just kept going, was um people that they say: okay, I'm in the project page. I need to add this. I want to change the color here.

F

Gosh, it looks like there's of these. Other components are using this centrally defined variable. You know, I'm not sure which all of them use it across the site. You know I'll just make a new I'll just make a new variable project card, color, 8 or whatever.

F

And then they're guaranteed that they're, the only ones that are using it at the moment, um it is essentially it it's centrally defined such that they could have a light color and a dark color, and then what you find, if you let a couple of months, roll by you've, just got this massive mess inside of a very long style sheet of colors, of which you know, there's a there's, not necessarily a lot of reuse.

F

So I don't know this. Is I'm not saying it's your it's an issue with your approach? Rather I'm just saying it's an issue of the manner, and so it's like part of the answer is okay. Well, the maintainers that are here and those are here for a while, like har who's been here for a while, is one of those individuals that offers reviews on pr's and can say: oh hey, you know you should probably just reuse an existing color.

F

The thing is is like even that falls by the wayside.

F

Our can't look at them all or moves on or forgets that you know like this is something that to think about give some thought as to how it can be sustainable.

F

It can like, like some of it can be. I don't know, let's say that, there's this often used keppel green color. I said: there's a there's, a color that gets used a lot- okay, great, um but sometimes there's variants of the color that also are used or the color is applied, sometimes with shadow or sometimes without. It might be that through selectors or through.

F

Through a hierarchy inside of css that you might be able to keep some of that css variable sprawl down to a minimum when, if you're, using hierarchical selectors, because you might be able to then get stay within the overarching like parent class and but and as you go down, it's like in general, there's a like the fact that that slide shadow. That green looks like kepple green to me.

F

As a matter of fact, I think I have the rgba memorized um that how many times do you think we've defined that color more than once yeah yeah. uh Why.

G

Okay, so actually, basically, the problem is that we want a green, a light. Green color for a white like it has, should have opacity of 0.5 and for dark. We should have opacity of one.

G

So even if they're the same color, we have, we have to define different variants for white uh void, theme and light theme. So that's why it's getting repeated again. Okay,.

F

Sure, but only twice in that case, it would be like how many times you've done that twice, and this is actually a great example of what I'm referring to about like a sub selector.

F

um Potentially, I know that these are variables and you're not making selections anyway, I'm trying to offer up like potential other approaches to making this sustainable long-term.

F

um I yeah as an aside, I'm curious as to whether or not the dark mode would really need a full opacity or a 1.0 or if it shouldn't just be the same, um and I guess I'll take a look as the pr is up about what the difference is.

G

Okay, I think basically uh it was using. You know this. I think now block pages. If you have images so for light theme, it was looking uh good, but in a dark theme it was looking like a little fadi.

G

So I choose 1.0 for that specific reason just, but I think once we just review the colors and uh all the things, then we can decide that it's not looking great. It's not gosh gotcha, okay, yeah.

F

Nice good keep keep with it, don't give up now go anybody else, have thoughts and has anyone else run into the challenge that I was alluding to about variable sprawl.

F

As I know, su betty who's on the call works on a number of you work on some of the other sites. Some of the other sites have css style sheets that are like 1, 000 plus lines, 2 000 plus lines, I'm not reading through that whole stupid thing, trying to find the right pre-existing class. I'm just gonna define a new class, so it'll be 2012 lines, long right so yeah, which is why I like sass.

F

It helps with breaking them down, but it also lends itself to a bit of repetition, and so I I don't yeah be curious about how other sites deal with this.

F

Some of it's just coding convention is like the ultimately the answer, but.

F

Cool anybody else have plus.

F

Nice, okay, good, I'm glad I it's, I love being able to bring up problems and then bring no solutions.

F

So there's a couple of a couple of potential solutions that I tried to toss in there, but um yeah good, so abhinav was just wondering if maybe we could make a util function to change the opacity of the color yeah. That's a good! uh um That's something or, for my part, I think. That's something good to reflect on is it's kind of what I was trying to tease at with respect to sub selectors or inheritance is, is yeah.

F

Is it being able to just define an item once if you can and then modifiers from there that doesn't fit all use cases necessarily, but it does keep it does help produce some of the duplicity.

G

One of the solution that I can recommend is that we just remove the hard coded color selectors and just choose the colors for a different part of the like. We want a shadow, so the color of shadow should be this only, um but that will give uh less colors that we have. But if we have a specific color for a specific context, we can do something like this.

F

Yeah, the the blogs, the in the blog style. I think that's a great example of hey look, there's!

F

Yes, it's somewhat creativity limiting, but here's 20 styles and that's it and every blog post has to just try to do their best. With these 20 styles and um and and making up new styles is highly discouraged, is kind of you know. It's like you want an image that you want to show an image. Okay, it can be left right or center, it can have shadow or not, it can float or or not and like, and that's it like after a while yeah.

C

G

Okay, okay, anything else or should I stop sharing? I guess.

A

Yeah, I think you should give it some thought somewhat.

A

Really sorry give it some heart and everyone else. You can go review his pr to see the styling of the other pages. Just one thing that likely was saying the more the variables the more confusing it is for all of us, because, like even now, with the little amount of variables that we have people still like, sometimes even I forget to use the crop styles, so yeah we'll have to you know, come up with ways to reduce it or to make it more.

A

G

Okay: okay, thank you. I will think about this. Yes,.

A

Thank you, harshit, so uh I'll just quickly show the executive bios that basically my pi is open.

A

So this is the new uh model that we open up, but I think uh we wanted urls for this, but I I was trying to like add a new article to the existing react component, but I like there's an uh package that I found for react url model, but that is not something that we use on our site yet so I was trying not I was holding off from installing a new package.

A

I was trying to see if I can modify this one itself, but I haven't been able to figure it out yet so, if anyone has any like here, we use the react model uh package and if you guys know how to like. Basically, we want to be able to share the link with the model open like if you want to show just this. We want it to reflect in the url. I haven't been able to do it with this component.

A

So if this doesn't work out I'll try to do it with this one and about the picture over here, the picture can be different. We'll just have to pass a new image, so that won't be a problem so yeah, that's all.

C

A

A

You like know the one or, if you have a link, you can just tell it.

A

I share and your facebook.

A

Okay, yes, if you find the plugin, you can share it with me. Yeah.

G

Yeah, I shared the link. You can check the chat.

A

A

Well, I'll, take a look. Thank you.

A

All right so and.

F

Then I wonder if the if an anchor reference will get you where you're trying to go, I don't know if it will. I.

A

Tried that but uh like that, takes us to a new page right. So this is not exactly a new page.

F

Yeah well or it takes you to a particular location in the existing page like in an in anchor or I'm sorry, an in-page anchor. So um so the url would end up. Looking like community member community members, name, pound sign or hashtag uh full.

A

F

Yeah, like top yeah, yeah and so most commonly folks, will use that to just just as you're doing here like to go to set the position of the page to a sp, a particular location and- and I thought that I'd seen it used in the past to be able to.

F

Display something like a modal, it's worth it's worth a quick google search on.

A

Yeah, okay, I'll do this first.

H

We can add javascript to it like if, if we encounter something like hashtag, then open the model.

A

Okay, that that is a good idea, I'll try to take a look at this one today.

A

Sorry uh right, thank you, uh lee and arithya. um Moving on. We have kaneka and.

A

Guys want to share your screen yeah, so I'm just sharing my screen.

A

D

Okay, so is it visible, yeah, okay? So um as a community member me and my colleague jadeep solanya, so we we encountered a problem like not a problem, but I think that's a suggestion that we would like to do. uh I think every community, uh whenever a member or a person encounters a very new community. The first thing. What I think is the first thing he or she finds is a discord server uh for the community.

D

So um I know that there's a slacks uh there is a slack channel for the layer, five community, but uh the thing is that the slack channel is more on the professional side, like um I'm telling you uh in the perspective of a very new newcomer person, whenever he encounters this community, he or she would be looking for a discord server or something or a place where he can easily or have a very friendly chat with the community members or the people who are the contributors.

D

So, um as you all know, you must be knowing that what is discord? It's a free voice and video text startup, that's like used by people or who are of like our age, like the people like or other like above 15 years of age. Okay. So um what is a discord server?

D

So a server is something like a server for a separate community where people can all the contributors, mentors leaders and everyone who is the part of the community is- is in one place with their roles assigned and also um different channels for like health or for, like general chit chat or for like uh events or opportunities. Okay. So this is like a screenshot that how the channels would look like- and this is how the people would look like we can like assign the roles of the people like.

D

uh Is he the uh is he or she a contributor or an organizer or a community leader uh or a mentor? Maybe okay? So what is the need for a layers, uh layer, fives, uh discord server. So, as I told you that um a discord has a very unique it's a very uh user friendly ui, so I think it's very easy for people for especially for newcomers just to join the discord like see. um Everyone will not.

D

uh Everyone doesn't come with a motive of joining the community and contributing some people come to like like they. They see they they hear about the community and they are like, let's just explore it. So I think discord server is a is the best uh source for like exploring the things exploring the uh the people who are using it. uh We can have separate channels, um okay, so let's come in the execution part. So uh jenny would you like to just uh add something.

B

Okay, so hey everyone, so we are basically not saying that uh just overcome slag like we want to shift on discord as well, so that the newcomers can find it uh easily uh to involve with the community. So this is the execution that we are going to do so me and kanika will design that squad server from scratch. We will make all the channels with their respective roles and we will add discord.

D

Okay, so um we are also deciding on making the discord bots like we can have like words, which can automatically do the stuff like if a newcomer comes like greeting them or if there is any event which is coming by like, as you said, uh you were talking about that writing uh competition, like the participation thing, so we can have like a separate channel of events on the discord server for things like that, uh we like, like the meetings which are held on zoom, that's totally fine, but I think um weekly events like small events, which could be like friendly events or introductory events about the community.

D

That would be a good part for the discord server, and uh so, if like, if this proposal gets accepted me and jerry would like to take the initiative to make this a discord server, and we would love to have people participated in this so that we all can make it a very big community. Like uh one more point which I would like to add, is um we we also want to make people aware of this community like we want to tell people that it's a very nice community.

D

There are many projects and I think, discord servers. uh The link of discord servers. It's a very easy uh way of telling people that just come um explore the community um have a talk with the mentors, have a talk with the contributors, and it's totally on the on the contributor that you want uh that if you are a ui ux designer, you can do that project so yeah. So, uh as jadeep said, we are not saying to like uh uh ban the slack. I think slack is for the professional things like if uh he like.

D

There is a doubt or something in the technical part of the repositories, so they can ask for they can be done on slack, but discord is more for um like making people comfortable with the community and also for technical stuff. It's not just for chit chats it's for like technical, stuff and yeah. So I think uh this is all, and here we have. um I have shared the uh link of this proposal on slack channel and here is our socials, so yeah. That's all.

A

My biggest concern is, however, that uh if we continue with both slack and discord, it'll be very difficult, for you know the uh the community managers to keep track of what's happening like, for example, uh if we do the technical part of our conversation on slack and there could be some people, who've joined just discord, not slack, so they won't be. You know aware of the technical conversations that are happening, and in that case uh the discord server will just act like a place for church right.

A

It won't be exactly uh where we talk about the project much so I think it will be very difficult to manage. So what do you think.

D

um I think to solve this, um I think we could have some maintainers of the discord community so that they can assist the people that, like whenever we see the website of like uh the mystery of the layer 5 there will be a footer with all the social links.

D

There will be slack also discord also, so I think uh the first thing that the people will do will always will obviously join the discord, so we can have the maintainers in the discord community which could guide the people guide, the newcomers that uh you have to join the slack as well for the technical for like the core technical stuff, so yeah.

D

I think um I know that slack is all together a very big channel to handle and community leaders and they are doing it, um but I think the discord community could have maintainers of their own to guide them so yeah. I think that's my suggestion.

F

Yeah nice yeah.

D

This is great and jadi.

F

This is great, I think I chatty.

F

Like questions for you, do you say more if you would about how discord is potentially more inclusive for newcomers or sort of inviting for newcomers, as versus slack.

D

Okay, so if I tell you about the whole ui of the discord channel, I think the people of rh are more familiar with the discord. Server like there is a component in the right side of the discord server, which will be having the all the organizers, like all the people who are part of the community, with their name and their roles assigned on the left side.

D

There will be uh channels like there will be text channels with the name of the projects that layer five has to offer and also the uh voice channels different voice channels. You just have to just click on them, and then you will yeah yeah.

F

Sorry to interrupt you, do you want to share? Are you sharing discord now or.

D

Yeah sure so I can show you.

D

Okay, so this is a community uh avl, okay, so um here here you can see. These are all the channels. These are the. um uh These. Are the text channels like there's announcement guidelines. This is the like official channel of avl. Then there is a part of introduction like the people who are joining the community. They can introduce themselves. uh Then there is uh discus thing. uh This is a community discussion part the the things that could be discussed. Then we have a separate thing for the contributors.

D

Now the contributors will again have a general channel to say, like uh what are the people doing and how is contributing to it like stuff like that, then there is achievement channel now. This is totally personalized. We can have as many channels and we can have the least channels for um for not having any confusions. So yeah like this is like the uh the voice channels um I can just disconnect from here. Okay, so let me just show you so this this is like the community meetup channel.

D

So I can just share turn on my camera from here. I can um show my screen from here so yeah. I think this is uh the main thing is that I think people are more um uh like familiar with this kind of stuff. um Slack is obviously a very good uh platform, but I think it's more on the professional side. So, of course we can, as I said, we can have maintainers so that we can have both discord and slack uh go hand in hand.

F

um Thanks for that yeah another one for me is so so there's one thing: that's kind of that's enticing is the ability to identify individuals within the community as holding particular roles or being of a particular focus such that those individuals are um more discoverable or like hey. If you're, if you're proposing a change, maybe you'll propose that change to an existing contributor of the project that you're proposing to change. To that can be helpful.

F

I think, for people trying to navigate. It can also um have an a counter effect of well just reinforcing that, like these, are the people go see them potentially overwhelm them, potentially dismiss others in the community from having a voice and expressing opinion as well, because you're directing everyone to those others and your your highlight you're, elevating them not based on the merits of their contributions in the channels, which should be obvious if someone's a maintainer someone's been around for a while and has a hard.

F

You know strong opinion or or lots of justifications behind their opinions, that it would become evident as you look across the channels and like oh, this person won't shut up or like or oh that was an intelligent response um that there's there's. It can be helpful to designate people, and they could also inadvertently be dismissive of of juniors in the community or or people who haven't been around as long and having giving them the same equal footing to express their opinion.

D

Okay, so, um uh as I said that this server would be totally personalized, um if you think that uh this, uh uh like this role, thing is not a good thing to do so we can, we can just um we will not have the rules. um I think.

F

Yeah yeah yeah.

D

F

Good, actually, I probably when I was making that statement, it was uh or uh good there's nothing to defend there, or rather I hear what you're saying you can you can use them or not? That's a great response, um but it's actually um a statement for all to consider that are on the call like hey whether or not you know, as you consider some of those new those different capabilities of something like discord, be aware that on the surface, sometimes they look good.

F

They can also have an adverse effect yeah, sometimes sometimes the adverse effect is nominal, and it's still better to have highlighted these people as people to go see.

D

That's true, so yeah, um I think we can just have a small part for the like maintainers like there will be four to five people of the maintainers and that's it. Everyone uh other than the maintainers will be on the same plane like they will not have any role, not a contributor or not something they are all on the equal pace. So yeah. We can have that.

F

Nice, where discord so when we say discord, server, we're not saying discord, account or discord space or we're talking. I think we're talking about two things: both the space, slash the account and also we're talking about the need to run a server.

D

uh No, this is not a server kind of thing like uh just imagine it like, like as a twitter space or something it's like discord is a whole app. um It has many servers which people can make of their own, like layer, 5 will have its own server, it's not related to that local host server. But it's like a place where people are belonging to the layer, five community. They can be just uh being be at one place and like have a conversation so yeah, it's not that technical server.

F

Got you who, where is the? Where is the server it's too bad, that they use? That word, because now it's kind of hard not to use something else. Where is the server hosted or like if we create a space? um Where is that space uh persisted.

D

um Like it's, not um it's not like it's hosted or something it's just. It's just a saying that we say it's a server that just come to our server or just go to that server, but it's like you can think of or think it of like a place like a place for the community.

D

F

So um discord.com or discord the corporation they'll uh retain your so like you have a local discord, client or you use your web browser.

D

We use the discord app, you can use the discord, desktop, app, app or like on the browser, but it's more convenient to use the discord app.

F

Nice and then of the messages that are interchanged yeah. If I go, if I fall asleep and wake up in the morning or you know, and you look at messages that have occurred overnight.

F

Where are those messages stored, yeah.

D

It would be like the the messages would be same. Just like a slack channel. You will have like if you, uh if you have messages from yesterday, it will be seen like you have unread messages from yesterday or you can react to those messages or you can um like either. If the messages are unread, it will be shown that these messages are unread or if you want that, you want to mark them as read. They could be marked as free. So it's like it's same as slack the messages kind of thing. It's same.

F

Okay, yeah yeah by the way so kaneka and jade. This is great. This is great. This is this is one to set the expectations correctly like one it'll be. um This is something you should um persist with uh there's about four times as much diligence to do as you've done thus far, and by that some of that's not necessarily fair to you, because some of that is there.

F

There are existing bots and existing integrations that we have in slack that would need to be accounted for to make sure that we could that those things either that they would transition over or that we could find a different solution for um the yeah there's kind of the question of trying to maintain two of them.

F

Even if people are volunteering to run the other um either of the two locations, we have this problem of dilution of culture, it's quite easy to for your culture to dissolve- and by that I mean you need stalwarts in both environments, to be able to say no you're being a prick get out of here or like to to enforce the culture of the community or hey no one's answering this person's question.

F

Other people should help.

F

Are you here to help or or not, and and we we do a ton of that, like every message in the slack that we have now is read by a community manager for sure most of them are read by almost all of them are read by multiple community managers, and- and that's that's fine- that doesn't mean you can't propagate the culture. It's just it's just of of the list of things that we would need to account for it's like.

F

Okay, do we have do you have enough community managers now who are active enough to like sustain something like that? If someone's trying to make a decision on a design decision, those decisions could probably no longer be made in in slack or discord, but would need to be made probably in a central place like in a design spec in a google doc, because members of one community wouldn't be aware of discussions happening in the other, and that's fine like it's it's fine, just like I was saying about labeling people or grouping people. That's that's fine!

F

You just need to write down the potential um ramifications, perverse ramifications of of hey, don't don't make decisions in one area versus the next, because then it's going to upset people that weren't in slack or weren't in discord and so try to so so. Here's how? What we just need to come to understand is how that would affect um things like that, and that's fine, like like things change, and so we should change them.

F

If we consider like it's like, if we consider some of the significant pros of something like discord, it sounds like discord is well for certain sections of the population, much more comfortable, much more used sliding into a new server super easy come check out this community, see if you like it and you're great like um is it? What is that we should qualify? What we think that segment is? Is that a desirable segment, or is that a segment that will just overrun the already overwhelmed maintainers with a bunch more questions?

F

Maybe maybe not? I don't know, I'm just I'm saying like hey that that segment needs should be qualified.

D

Yeah, um okay, so I'm getting your point like it's like maintaining two different uh communication channels. Yeah. I think it's a it's a little more, it's a little overwhelming part for all the maintainers yeah. I really respect uh like what you are saying so yeah. I think um it's totally it's it's just a very friendly proposal, um but I think yeah, you're, you're, correct yeah.

F

Yeah, no, I'm actually being very encouraging, like you guys, should persist with this. I'm saying like of what you considered great, like keep going you've, got about four times as much to consider as what you've considered just yet um it is uh um it's not it's, not a small consideration, which means the work to propose. It is also not small. You might not want to persist after a while. That's okay, I wouldn't think any less of you or like this is a great suggestion to earnestly consider it and to truly like take action on it.

F

The stuff that I'm listing out and and there's more um will need to be accounted for.

F

I can go in and and enter in a number of things that are that we know are considerations that we should you know chew through um in part like maybe after I do that it'll be kind of a question to to kanika and jadeep about how much more energy you have toward it, and- and if you do great like let's really go, there's merit to this suggestion um uh and if you don't um that's okay, like like, we still have it on paper.

F

It's not the first time or the last time that we would consider this, so I mean like we would only refer back to it and build upon it. So.

D

Yeah yeah I'm getting it um so yeah. Let's see okay.

F

Yeah, this is great okay, great job other than the fact that um mr cambos maybe needs to there's something that we need to go fix with the template, um which is just a simple accident. um This is.

D

F

Like I, I I promise to put in a few comments and toward comments toward moving to discord, um so you shouldn't actually all of the comments that I'm giving are qualifiers like hey. This looks good. Let's make sure that that really is good. This looks good. Let's make sure that that really is good.

F

A

Thank you. So we have a lot over time today, so I think we'll take up these topics in the next call or in the measured effort since it's on the catalog. So thank you guys for joining today. uh See you all next week.

F

Thank you guys, yeah.

H

See ya, bye, bye,.