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Layer5 Websites Meeting - July 19th, 2021
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A
Okay,
then,
I
think
we'll
be
starting
off
with
the
meeting.
First
of
all,
I
think
there's
a
newcomer
named
balram
singh
chauhan,
so
baltram
would
you
mind
giving
a
short
introduction
about
yourself.
B
Okay,
so
I
am
balancing
johan
and
I
am
a
sophomore
and
I
am
currently
undergraduate
and
I
am
a
uis
designer.
I
started
my
journey
as
a
designer
four
months
back
and
I
have
secured
two
internships
and
I
also
wanted
to
contribute
more
to
it
and
learn
more
so.
My
friend
vinayak
told
me
about
that,
and
he
introduced
me
here.
So
that's
it
and
I
like
to
have
a
great
experience
here
and
learn
a
lot
yeah.
A
Okay,
nice
welcome
to
the
community,
and
so,
if
you
are
with
finag,
then
you're
in
good
hands,
like
you
will
guide
you
throughout.
C
Yeah
no
barum
nice
to
meet
you
great
to
have
you
on
yeah
there's
sayatan
is
on
today.
He's
he's
been
doing
some
relevant
work
or
some
work
relevant
to
ux
design.
So
we
should
talk
about
that
today
as
well.
A
Cool
so
santan,
if
you
could
add
your
topics,
so
I
would
request
everyone.
If
you
have
any
topics
to
discuss,
you
can
add
into
the
topics
list
in
the
website's
meeting
document
meeting
minutes
so.
A
Nice,
okay,
so
till
the
time
nikhil
sharma
joins,
will
have
to
shift
his
topics
down,
but
we
can
discuss
on
the
progress
he
has
made.
A
D
C
Yeah
well
first,
I
think
I'm
just
pleased
to
see
that
mesherie.io
is
coming
up
for
you.
It's
not
coming
up
here.
C
So
yeah,
so
maybe
so
I
guess
we'll
talk
about
this
topic
now,
which
is
I
just
or
just
found
out
today
that
the
site
is
down.
It's
not
just
the
site.
It's
the
helm,
charts
the
mailing
lists,
the
other
things
that
are
associated
with
the
domain.
C
The
domain,
this
one
and
s
p,
spec
that
I
owe
were
transferred
to
the
linux
foundation
as
part
of
donating
the
project
to
the
cncf,
and
we
are
supposed
to
retain
access
administrative
access
to
the
domain,
but
we
don't
have
that,
and
so
I
don't
know
what's
going
on
with
meshri.io,
but
it's
there's
the
dns
issue
going
on,
and
so
so
I've
opened
up
a
trouble
ticket
with
them
and
and
and
so
in
the
meantime,
it's
very
frustrating,
but
in
the
meantime
we'll
work
on,
we
can
work
on
local
copies.
C
So
so
this
particular
issue,
so
yeah
nikhil
sharma,
is
going
to
work
on
the
slash
programs
page,
which
is
you
know
terribly
ugly.
The
the
colors
are
just
you
know,
conflict.
You
know
just
hideous
the
the
white
logos
they're.
C
First
of
all,
they're
the
the
windows
logo
is
terrible,
and
so
is
the
community
bridge
one
they
just
like
the
svgs
or
whatever
is
being
used.
They're,
not
they're,
they're
bad,
there's
that,
but
even
at
that
the
white
color
isn't
necessarily
doing
us
any
favors
here.
C
Nor
is
the
green
colored
card.
I
can't
remember
who
originally
did
this,
but
but
but
it's
not
working,
and
so
I
nikhil
sharma
was
doing
so
ballroom.
This
is
a
great
example
of
a
place
where,
if
you
want
to
try
out
a
new
design,
this
is
a
great
area
to
do
it
in
one
way
to
fix
the
design
is
to
like
white
out
the
background.
C
That's
it
that
would
work,
it
wouldn't
be
really
pretty
the
logos
and
the
cards
would
still
be
way
too
big,
but
so
I
think
nikhil
had
taken
a
shot
at
trying
to
correct
this,
and
I
don't
know
what
he
changed,
because
it
still
looks
just
you
know
just
as
bad.
B
A
E
B
It's
a
community
rule,
don't
ask
that
I
tried
to
do
two
things.
Two
types
of
things:
two,
that's
a
design.
One
is
glass.
Morphism,
second,
is
neuromorphism,
so
this
is
a
glass
morphism.
Okay.
Somehow
my
text
of
this
is
disappeared,
so
avoid
that
and
rest
is
here.
So
this
first
version
I
had
made
scroll
down,
you
can
see
subscribe
area
and
that
mailing
list
option
also
you
can
join
as
developer
or
user
and
how
the
user
will
know
that
you
are
scroll
down.
B
C
Yeah
say
the
first
two
words
that
you
said
again,
you
said:
did
one
design
that
was
this
and
one
design.
That
was
that
I
missed
the
two
words
that
you
used.
B
Okay,
so
whenever
we
are,
we
are
given
to
make
a
design
or
make
a
design
of
something.
So
it's
expected
from
us
to
use
two
different
approaches
or
two
different
things:
two
different
designs
we
have
to
make
on
it.
So
this
is
a
concept
called
in
ui
design
that
is
neomorphism,
which
means
in
3d.
The
cards
are
popped
out,
so
you
can
see
it
here.
B
This
is
called
neomorphism
and
in
before
one
it.
I
use
plasmorphism.
That
windows
is
using
right
now
in
windows,
11,
it's
given
there.
So
these
are
two
types
of
designer
projects
I
used
for
for
this,
and
I
just
wanted
to
have
some
feedback
on
it,
because
designing
is
nothing
without
feedback
and
the
reiteration
so
please
give
some.
C
Okay,
nice
good
yeah.
I
wouldn't
say
that
there's
a
standing
rule
that
you
need
to
present
only
you
know
only
two
designs
like
you
can
you
can
use
more
one
of
the
issues
with
using
blackmore's
classmorphism
is
that
it
doesn't
it's
not
what
the
rest
of
the
site
is
using,
and
so
it
might
be
a
good
design
to
use.
C
Although
consistency
is
certainly
at
the
core
of
good
design,
and
so
consistency
across
the
site
is
something
that
we
need
to
take
account
for
the
the
notion
that
we
would
have
to
tell
the
user
how
to
navigate.
That,
probably
just
indicates
that
we
have
a
bad
design,
because
if
it's
not
intuitive
the
fact
that
you
would
use
the
scroll
wheel
that
you
use
on
every
other
site
when,
as
you
browse
like
that's
that's
the
thing
that
people's
finger
is
on
all
the
time,
then
we're
then
probably
that's
an
indication
that
something's
wrong.
C
Sometimes
it
makes
sense
to
give
an
indicator
like
a
small
animation
on
the
arrow,
like
you're
saying
the
fact
you
write
out
the
directions
that
they
have
to
scroll.
It's
like.
Oh,
that's,
really
good.
That
means
that
the
indicator
itself
isn't
even
telling
them
you
know
indicating
to
them
what
to
do
so.
One
the
site
is,
the
design
is
bad,
so
we
have
to
indicate
to
them
more
so
than
normal
that
they
have
to
do
something
and
then
two
we
have
to
give
a
label
to
the
indicator
to
explain
that.
C
Even
so,
I
think
I'm
explaining
it
like
this
to
you
because
you're
explaining
to
me
how
ux
works,
and
so
so
I
think,
normally
I
probably
wouldn't
explain
it
to
you
to
say:
hey,
we
probably
don't
want
the
label
these
designs.
Are
they
look
much
better
than
what
is
currently
there?
This
is
this.
Is
nice
the
this
particular
the
design
that
you're
on
currently
is
quite
pretty,
like
you
think
about
developer,
quite
pretty,
except
for
the
the
logos
are.
C
B
So
when
I
I
try
to
make
this
design,
so
this
logo
is
given
here,
so
I
just
downloaded
it
from
this
official
messaging
site.
So
I
thought
that
would
be
that
what
I
had
to
do,
because
I
also
tried
to
make
redesign
some
logos.
Also.
I
redesigned
google
summer
of
code
and
google
somehow
talks
about
it
logos
I
have
redesigned,
but
I
thought
these
are
the
logos
that
you
want
me
to
put
in
that.
So
that's
why
I
haven't
redesigned
the
below
two
ones,
and
these
are
also
the
same
one,
not
redesigned.
C
Sounds
good
yeah?
No,
not
not
your
issue
like
it
turns
out
that
I
don't
know
that
we
can
rely
or
for
sure
we
can't
rely
on
the
the
images
that
are
on
that
page,
which
is
which
is
bad
like
hey.
They
should
be
good
images
but
but
they're
not
like
particularly.
C
It
may
very
well
be
the
case
that
the
google
summer
of
code
and
the
cncf
logo
are
that
they're,
both
svgs
and
they're
they're,
both
as
good
as
they
get
like.
They
may
be
fine,
the
google
summer
of
docs,
the
community
bridge
and
the
and
the
windows
well
and
the
mlh
logo.
I
keep
on
saying
windows
mlh,
I
don't
yeah.
I
don't
know
that.
C
They're
are
those
all
three
there's
all
three
of
those
there's
a
there's
something
wrong
about
them,
but
but
part
of,
but
but
maybe
that's
less
important,
like
the
one
of
the
things
that
you
have
going
on
here
is
in
the.
C
B
D
C
Yes,
so
there's
and
there's
a
small
set
of
instructions
here
that
so
so
by
the
way
so
so
ballroom.
This
is
thanks
for
this.
This
is
a
tough
first
call
for
you,
because,
because
you
just
joined,
we
just
we're
just
getting
to
talk
and
and
and
it
feels
it's
gonna-
I
think
if
I
was
in
your
shoes,
it
would
feel
like
a
lot
of
like
a
lot
of
feedback
to
swallow,
but
it's
coming
from
the
best
of
places.
So
so
what
you've
done
is
is
good,
like
good.
D
This
is,
this
is
perfect.
C
Like
we're
having
a
great
conversation,
one
thing
that
it's
a
little
bit
hard
in
fig
like
I'm
surprised,
figma,
doesn't
have
better
like
team
collaboration
conventions
or
like
utilities
built
in
it's
great
for
real-time
collaboration,
because
multiple
people
can
be
working
on
it
and
stuff.
C
What's
the
approved
design
or
what's
in
draft
or
or
who's
working
on
what
area
and
it's,
I
think
it's
only
through
energy,
so
not
that
you're
doing
anyway,
as
we
as
we
take
more
steps
forth,
we
might
find
that
some
of
these
conventions
can
be
updated,
based
on
a
different
style
of
of
collaborating.
But
in
the
meantime,
if
you
go
to
there's
a
page,
I
think
it's
called
site
colonmashery.io.
C
C
C
C
And
had
done
the
design
that
we're
currently
looking
at,
and
it's
from
my
from
my
opinion
like
it's
quite
nice
and
and
it's
it
might
be
an
improvement
upon
what
we
currently
have.
Although
it's
not
absolutely
clear
that
it's
worth
that
that
it
that
it's
a
step,
a
significant
step.
A
C
Like
and
so
we
didn't
go
forth
and
implement
it
for
for
that
reason,
and
for
the
reason
that
at
the
time,
it
kind
of
looked
a
lot
like
layer,
five
that
I
owe
which
which
we
didn't
we
didn't
want
to
make
it.
C
C
So,
anyway,
that's
a
little
bit
of
the
background.
One
really
nice
thing
about
this.
This
approach
is
well
as
black
is
like
the
dark
is
dark
mode
type.
Stuff
is,
is
things
that
develop?
You
know
like
largely
it's
in
it's
like
entirely
engineers
that
this
project
is
designed
for
and
so
dark
mode
calls
to
engineers
generally
yeah.
C
F
C
Nice
thing
about
the
designs
that
we
have
currently
I
wish
later
our
message.io
is
was
up
so
that
we
could
see
currently
when
you
navigate
to
a
secondary
page
like
to
the
slash
programs
page
or
well,
actually
not
not
currently
on
the
slash
programs.
But
when
you
navigate
to
slash
community
or
slash
calendar,
I
think
the
background
is
white
on
most
of
the
secondary
pages,
whereas
the
background
on
the
landing
page
is
this
gradient
from
like
dark?
C
C
The
issue
with
using
it
immediately
is:
oh
actually
that
takes
a
restyling
of
landing
pages
of
all
the
pages,
because
it
changes
the
nav
bar
and
stuff,
and
so
that
might
be
the
right
way
to
go.
It
might
be,
it's
probably
a
little
bit
of
a
bigger
step
than
what
we
were
just
sort
of
myopically
trying
to
accomplish
with
just
kind
of
fixing
the
programs
cards.
C
B
Okay,
so
what
what
I
did
was
to
this
you
know
this
is
this
navigation
navigation
bar,
so
I
just
copied
the
component
from
there
and
I
just
try
to
make
something
different
in
that
program
cards.
But
one
thing
I
I
totally
agree
with
you
that
consistent
consistency
of
the
website.
It
will
not
be
good
if
I
use
different
style
in
every
different
pages,
so,
okay,
so
I
would
keep
that
in
mind
and
design
redesign
that
also.
C
So
the
the
it's
so
wait,
we
should
have
started
with
a
good
job
on
the
designs
like
like.
This
is
great.
This
part
borrow
them
like,
like
just
having
see
it's
a
big
test
kind
of
the
first
time.
You
show
the
designs
here
because
it
sort
of
indicates
whether
or
not
we
should
spend
a
lot
more
time
together
or
maybe
not
spend
that
much
more,
because
there's
only
we've
really
tried
to
help
a
lot
of
people
well
in
a
bunch
of
areas
we're
able
to
help
people
more
with
coding
than
we
are
with
ux.
C
That's
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
I
think
one,
because
we
do
we
do
less
ux
here
much
less
than
we
should.
We
should
do
a
lot
more,
but
also
because
coding
is,
is
more
black
and
white
a
little
more
black
and
white.
It's
still
like
tons
of
ways
right
near
the
boat
stuff,
but
but
for
ux
it's
also
sort
of
like
wow.
C
To
be
able
to
teach
people
what
looks
good,
how
to
you
know
anyway,
if
you
go
back
to
your
designs
real
quickly,
then
some
to
talk
about
them
just
a
little
bit
more
and
then.
C
Sure
yeah
they're,
both
like
they
both
have
merit
both
the
this
that
this
style
design
and
the
other
one
like.
If
you,
if
you
switch
to
your
other
like
they
are
both
equally
of.
C
It
would
take
better
adjectives
that
I'm
able
to
call
to
my
tongue
right
now
to
to
articulate
like
why
one
is
more
pretty
than
the
next
like
they're,
both
pretty
like
and
they're,
both
like
from
my
perspective
like
more
or
less
of
equal
aesthetic
value.
You
know
aesthetic
prettiness,
but
so
then,
okay,
fine
well,
then
so,
which
one
should
we
lean
into
and
try
to
you
know
refine
into
something
that
should
be
implemented.
C
Okay,
well,
the
the
I
think
the
question
to
ask
is,
or
let
me
make
this
this
statement
and
I
think
some
certain
stakes
in
the
ground
will
help
with
like
having
a
couple
of
rules
around
putting
putting
part
of
what
we're
doing
into
a
box
will
help
with
what's
possible
and
what's
not
so
it.
For
the
moment,
if
we
just
say:
okay,
the
the
current
navigation
bar
the
current
menu
bar,
if
it
stays.
C
C
I
I
think
I
think
you
can
but
that'll
as
you
bring
in,
that
that
the
current
version
of
the
navbar
it'll
then
you'll
be
able
to
see
what,
if
you
need
to
change
anything
or
not
one,
okay,
so
good,
the
the
other
thing
about
the
either
this
design
or
the
other
one
is.
C
That
they
are
significant-
and
I
think
particularly
this
is
significantly
enough
of
a
of
a
shift
in
design
that
you
you.
We
would
probably
want
to
give
thought
as
to
okay,
if
we
have
this
style
cards
here,
how
does
that?
How
does
that
trickles
percolate
through
the
rest
of
the
other,
the
other
pages,
and
it
doesn't
have
to
in
a
big
way?
It's
just.
Is
it
okay
that
this
stands
alone
in
terms
of
this
page
stands
alone
in
terms
of
that
design?
C
And
the
answer
might
be
yes,
but
it's
worth
reflecting
for
a
moment
like
okay,
do
other
aspects
of
this
style.
You
know
show
anywhere
else,
and
I
think
those
are
the
questions
to
ask
like
put
a
stake
in
stake
into
the
the
current
nav
bar.
C
If
that
stays
the
same,
just
one
of
the
two
of
these
seem
to
fit
better.
C
There's
another
there's
something
nice
about
having
uniform
logos
like
all
white
or
all
you
know,
all
with
a
white
white
gray
tone
or
all
with
the
the
two-toned
green,
it's
nice
about
having
them
uniform,
because
it's
like
it's,
it's
not
so
much
about
them
as
individual
programs
as
much
as
it's
just
about
them
as
the
collective
that
mescheri
as
an
open
source
project
participates
in
a
collection
of
programs.
You
know
here's
the
programs
and
we're
not
necessarily
highlighting
one
versus
the
nexus,
just
sort
of
here's.
The
collection
go.
C
B
B
B
C
It's
a
mistake
like,
or
it's
not
there's
something
else,
that's
confused
here,
and
that
is
oh
wait.
Most
of
the
pages
in
this
figma
design
file
in
this
whole
project,
most
of
the
pages
are
for
measuring
ui
for
the
the
app
the
meshri
application
and
the
user
interface
that
it
has,
and
so
that's
what
these
buttons
are
actually
about
is
meshrey's
ui
and
not
about
the
site
itself.
That
said,
we
could.
C
We
can
use
the
same
components
across
the
two
of
them
it's,
but
but
bear
in
mind
that
there's
kind
of
two
there's
two
interfaces
that
are
being
represented.
D
B
D
C
So
we
are
missing,
so
I
think
we
should.
We
should
look
to
make
the
changes
that
you're,
referring
to
in
the
components
like
we're,
we're
missing
a
component
library,
we're
missing
a
lot
of
design
language,
both
design
language,
that's
defined
in
figma,
as
well
as
design
language,
I'm
sorry
as
well
as
that
actually
being
adhered
to
in
mesherie's
ui.
C
So
there's
like
just
in
measure
ui
itself,
the
thing
needs
an
overhaul.
Like
literally,
I
think
all
aspects
need
a
revamp
and
we
don't
have
to
do
it
all
at
once
and
we're
probably
not
necessarily
going
to
be
able
to
do
it.
I
mean
having
nitish
here
and
nikhil
here
and
gabo
and
anita
and,
like
the
whole.
Having
all
of
you
here
gives
me
hope
that,
oh
like
maybe
we
could
accomplish
that
like
and
and
yeah
so
one.
C
I
think
you
should,
if
you
would,
will
you
please
make
a
few
changes
to
those
components
to
what
you
think
that
it
should
be
like
because
we're
not
we're
not
using
them
they're.
Those
are
literally
most
of
those
are
literally
not
components
in
figma,
so
they're
not
being
reused
as
components.
So
if
you
make
a
change,
it's
not
like
it's
going
to
affect
a
bunch
of
other
designs
in
big
money.
C
And
so
ultimately,
we
I
don't-
we
didn't
set
out
to
to
have
our
own,
I'm
not
trying
to
think
of
the
right
words,
but
we
didn't
set
out
to
have
our
own
design
language,
our
own,
like
to
reinvent
material
ui,
but
largely
just
set
out
to
to
reuse
material,
ui
and
change
it
in
a
few
places
where
we
think
it
suits
us.
C
And
then
yeah
good.
I
know
I
gave
a
lot
kind
of
a
lot
of
different
points
of
feedback
on
the
two
designs,
but
was
that
enough?
To
give
you
some
things
to
work
with
to
try
out
a
couple
more
designs.
B
C
C
Something
that
one
thing
that
makes
a
lot
of
like
at
least
today's
designs,
quite
nice,
and
I
think
design
in
general
is
sometimes
you
know.
Well,
it
depends
on
the
style,
but
a
lot
of
times,
things
that
are
high
contrast.
Generally
contrast
is
good
and,
and
we're
seeing
you
know
good
contrast
here-
we're
also
seeing
that
that
we're
fairly
we're
fairly
clean.
C
If
you
will
down
in
the
subscribe
area
like
we,
we've
got
in
general,
there's
a
fair
bit
like,
on
the
left
hand,
side,
there's
lots
of
space,
we've
got
large,
big
fields,
all
arguably
fields
that
might
be
too
big.
Maybe
we've
got
I
I
think
you
know
in
terms
of
the
heading,
we
could
probably
get
away
with
just
saying
stay
like
stay
meshy
and
subscribe
or
just
stay
meshy,
and
then
the
fact
that
the
button
says
subscribe.
C
We
would
probably
just
say
subscribe
rather
than
subscribe.
Messagery
yeah
on
the
button
and
at
the
top
it'll,
probably
stay
messy
or
probably
say,
stay
messy
and
subscribe,
and
so.
C
The
the
font
size
on
the
helper
under
the
mailing
list
help
us
in
our
projects.
It
might,
I
don't
know
like
it,
was
one
thing
to
use
this
very
small
font,
what
under
the
scroll
to
subscribe
and
stay
meshy,
because
it
was
sort
of
like
a
small
annotation.
Like
oh
hey,
you
know
small
set
of
instructions
but
on
the
actual
element
itself,
the
actual
mailing
list
and
how
we're
describing
the
mailing
list.
C
It's
probably
you
know
a
larger
font
like
we've
got
tons
of
white
space
there
to
use,
and-
and
so
we
would
probably
you
know-
have
those
yes
yeah.
The
buttons
themselves
are
nice
and
clean
like
today,
they're
using
an
off
gray
or
something
like
charcoal
gray,
and
it's
you
know
it.
The
color
is
fine,
but
the
it's
not
used
well
on
the
current
site.
So
so
this
is,
you
know,
there's
something
to
be
said
about
just
the
the
cleanliness
of
what
we
have
what's
here.
C
I
think,
instead
of
join
as
it's
probably
subscribe
as
because
it's
probably
not-
I
guess
you
know
you
are
saying-
help
us
in
our
projects
by
joining
one
of
our
mailing
lists
and
in
that
sense
like
joining
as
can
make
sense,
I
think
people
will
probably
get
it
confused
with
oh
that
they're
joining
the
project,
as
opposed
to
just
you
know,
subscribing
joining
or
subscribing
to
a
mailing
list,
which
is
lesser
of
a
commitment
and.
B
C
And
it's
something
that's
important
for
you
to
understand,
so
you
can
so
that
you
can
try
to
present
it
to
everyone
else
such
that
they
intuitively
understand
as
well,
because,
right
now
it's
not
neces.
So
one
is
a
one-way
newsletter
like
the
subscribing
to
a
newsletter,
and
so
the
word
newsletter.
It
might
even
make
sense
to
have
that
somewhere.
It's
also
a
community
newsletter,
so
the
word
community,
it
might
make
sense
to
have
that
bubble
up
somewhere.
C
These
are
two
project
specific
mailing
lists
that
are
meant
to
be
that
are
by
and
large
meant
to
be
interactive
that
and
that
one
of
them
is
is
like
hey,
if
you're
here,
contributing
to
the
project
that
you
fall
into
the
developer
category
or
I'm
sorry
that
falls
into
the
developer
mailing
list,
if
you're
here
using
messry,
and
you
have
questions
about
it
or
issues
with
it
or
you
want
to
know
when
the
latest
version
of
it
is
released.
Like
that's
more
like
what
the
user
group
is
intended
for.
C
B
Yeah
one
more
question
I
have
to
ask:
if
you
are
the
subscriber
is
doing
same
thing,
providing
information
providing
newsletter
and
some
more
information
about
messaging.
What
is
going
to
do?
What
is
not,
and
user
option
is
also
providing
the
same
thing.
Any
version
is
coming
or
not,
or
something
important
or
notification
about.
So
are
these
both
performing
same
or
same
operations?
C
Yeah,
you
know
what
we
actually
to
be
frank,
like
all
of
them
are
highly
underused,
so
we
like
I'm,
I'm
speaking,
not
out
of
historical
use,
of
how
we've
used
them,
but
I'm
speaking
out
of
how
we
intend
to
use
them,
which
is
that
there
would
intentionally
be
some
amount
of
overlap
across
them
in
terms
of
info
that
they
would
get.
If
you
could,
let's
say
that
we
made
a
release
today
and
it's
our
1.0
release.
Well,
if
it's
something
super
massive
like
that,
the
whole
all
three
mailers
might
get
the
same.
C
C
It's
not
a
lifetime
event
like
it's
a
so
the
way
that
that
might
manifest
itself
is
that
largely
those
that
are
on
the
developer
mailing
list
would
they
might
be
getting
emails
in
advance
of
the
release
going
out
because
they're,
the
ones
that
are
creating
the
release
and
making
sure
everything's
all
ready
to
go
and
that
when
it
the
release
happens,
a
small
and
siatin
is
going
to
show
this,
but
a
small
release.
C
Announcement
email
would
go
out
to
the
user's
mailing
list,
like
subsequently
at
some
point
on
the
community
mailing
list,
the
stay
meshy
one
it
would
be
like
there'd,
be
an
announcement.
Oh
hey,
this
there's
a
new
version
of
mystery.
That's
available,
also,
there's
an
event.
That's
coming
up
that
you
know
we're
speaking
at
and
so
come
visit
us
here
and
also
check
out
our
new
release
like
it
would
be
that
wouldn't
be
the
only
point
of
the
email.
B
C
C
Yeah
there
are
there,
it's
I
gotta
say
it's
really
hard
to
navigate
that,
because
there
are
some
deadlines
that
we
desire
to
have
and
then
depending
on
who
shows
up
and
who
sticks
to
their
commitments
like
we're
able
to
achieve
that.
The
further
that
we
go
along
and
the
bigger
the
project
is
the
more.
C
Confident
we
are
in
being
able
to
say
there
will
be
a
release
on
this
date
or
or
we
will
do
these
things
by
this
day,
so
it
the
more
some
of
you
all
have.
Some
of
you
will
communicate
quite
clearly
like
hey.
I've
got
something
just
came
up
in
my
life,
I'm
having
exams
or
I'm
going
on
vacation
or
I
can
hey,
I'm
not.
C
I
won't
be
able,
and
so
we
try
to
collectively
as
a
community
track
track
that
who's
available
and
who,
who
has
shown
that
they
can
they
deliver
on
their
commitments
or
and-
and
we
try
to
try
to
manage
all
that
so
that
so
that
we
can
say
things
confidently
like
hey.
C
This
thing
is
the
priority,
like
generally
we're
able
to
at
least
say
these
things
are
in
rank
priority
order
and
we'll
give
time
to
these
things,
and
then
that's
easier
to
say,
because,
because
that's
within
our
control,
the
delivery
of
them,
it
depends
on
who
shows
up
there's
a
number
of
people
that
are
on
the
call
right
now
who
are
like
it's
very
clear
that
they're
dedicated
to
that
that,
like
it's
very
meaningful,
the
work
that
they're
doing
the
things
that
they're
learning
like
these
people,
that's
why
josh
is
leading
the
call
is
like
I
don't.
C
I
actually,
I
feel
very
poorly
now,
because
I've
been
talking
for
like
40-ish
minutes
or
something
and
and
the
thing
is,
is
like
much
of
what
we're
talking
about
as
all
of
y'all.
You
all
become
familiar
enough
and
get
skilled
enough.
It's
like
you.
I
you're
not
supposed
to
hear
from
me
like
the
better
that
each
and
I
want
for
each
of
you
to
be
really
good.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
want
to
hire
a
number
of
you.
C
Already,
if
you'll
be
the
person
you'll
be
the
individuals
that
are
like
that
know
this
and
are
doing
it
and
have
all
of
the
background
info
for
why
a
decision
was
made
and
you'll
be
able
to
that'll
help
guide
you
as
you
make
further
decisions,
and-
and-
and
so
I
guess,
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
like
yeah,
we
try.
We
try
to
be
as
organized
as
possible,
but
it's
hard
to
look.
B
C
B
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Balram,
like
there
were
nice
designs
and
there
was
already
so
much
of
feedback,
so
I
think
we
can
move
forward
and
to
the
next
topic
that
we
have
is
the
like.
I
guess
the
overall
mastery
total
topics
have
been
discussed
together,
because
the
design
changes
would
be
like
once
again
refactored
and
then
nikhil
can
work
on
them.
So
if
anything
apart
from
the
programs
page
nickel,
if
you
want
to
add,
then
you
can
like.
F
G
A
Okay,
so
like,
if
you
get
time
from
the
programs
page
and
you
want
to
try
something
else
program,
then
you
can
just
have
a
look
into
this
page
as
well,
but
like
do
it
as
per
your
comfort
and
yeah,
so
I
will
expect
we
get
both
of
the
pages
ready.
A
My
next
meeting,
but
it's
just.
We
just
expect
not
to
something
very
hard,
so
yeah
the
moving
on
to
the
next
topic,
that
is
by
ayush
man.
If
not
yeah
smart
is
not
present.
So
it
is
about
the
change
in
the
terminal
for
the
mastery
page.
As
for
the
learn,
ng
page
he's
doing
and
nikhil
has
had
some
comments
so
nikhil
you
want
to
talk
about
it.
E
Yeah,
actually,
the
terminal
was
not
being
responsive
and
he
had
tried
several
attempts,
but
there
were
some
still
some
issues
left
along
with
the
terminal
like
right
now,
if
you
can
see
in
the
screenshot
itself,
there
is
a
that
whatever
section
is.
Actually
it
is
supposed
to
be
centered
and
yeah.
That
is
one
issue,
and
apart
from
this,
like
from
what
I
have
seen
like,
the
terminal
part
is
right
now
responsive
and
it
is
functioning
properly.
E
I
guess
in
my
opinion,
but
after
that
nikhil
has
actually
suggested
a
review
on
that.
So
I
didn't
have
a
look
at
it.
E
So,
from
my
point
of
view,
the
only
thing
that
has
to
be
changed
in
this
case
is
that
when
you,
you
know,
reduce
the
screen
size,
the
water,
which
is
section
that
should
actually
be
centered
in
the
screen,
so
yeah.
A
A
Okay,
okay,
okay,
then
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
topic
by
sayanthan,
which
is
the
email
template
for
the
mystery
release,
announcement
so
sent.
Then
you
want
to
talk
about
it.
F
I
want
to
talk
about
it
actually,
so
we
are
trying
to
make
an
email
template
on
the
machinery
release
like
every
time
the
machine
release.
We
will
send
this
mail
to
the
users,
as
he
mentioned.
F
I
just
built
this
template
using
the
drag
and
drop
features
of
here,
and
I
have
also
tried
to
make
this
like
me.
Aditya
and
dave
make
a
code
on
this
like
if
you
want
to
see.
Actually,
we
have
also
made
it
through
our
image.
F
I
think
this
is
because
of
the
fact
that
we
are
not
using
the
mailchimp
classes
like
over
here,
like
in
the
previous
one.
Here
you
can
see,
there
are
actually
some
major
classes.
They
have
used
to
just
adjust
all
the
this
one
to
adjust
all
these
blocks
and
on.
F
F
Do
you
want
to
even
feedback
on
this
like?
Should
we
process
proceed
with
this
drag
and
drop
picture
or
to
record,
and
one
more
thing
is
that
in
this
drag
and
drop
feature,
we
also
have
this
coding
part
also
like
if
we
want
to.
C
F
C
Yeah
good
yeah
there's
a
couple
of
this
there's
a
couple
of
things
so
just
for
reference
for
everyone
else.
We
we
use
a
combination
of
google
groups,
mailing
list.
You
know
groups
there
and
mailchimp
to
manage
the
newsletters
to
manage
the
emails
that
go
around.
Historically,
we
haven't
done
a
lot
with
email
as
we
trend
as
the
projects
are
growing
up
and
we're
using
them
in
different
different
ways.
C
We're
changing
we're
creating
more
google
groups,
we're
quite
simply
just
missing
a
a
simple
email
template
to
let
people
know
that
there's
a
new
release
out
and
what
was
included
in
the
release.
The
concept
here
is
that
this
is
an
example
of
what
ballroom
and
I
were
talking
about
a
minute
ago
that
there
just
needs
to
be
well.
It's
just
an
email
template
where
we
paste
and
release
notes,
so
release
notes,
get
auto-generated
every
time
that
we
make.
C
We
merge
a
pr
and
those
same
release,
notes,
get
merged
to
get
recreated
on
docs.measurey.io
on
the
documentation
site
and
these
same
release
notes
can
be
pasted
into
a
mail
template,
and
eventually
this
can
be
automated.
If
we
have
an
html
email
template,
we
can
send
user
github
action
to
send
this
out
as
well.
So
we
can
automate
the
drafting
of
release,
notes
the
documentation
of
the
release,
notes
and
the
notification
of
the
release,
notes
and
but
building
out
that
initial
template.
C
The
like
the
hope
was
this
one
is
a
relatively
simple
design:
it
doesn't
you
know
it's
not
going
to
be
in
the
end.
It
may
not
even
be
hand
curated.
It
may
just
be
automatically
generated,
and
so
it
it
as
such,
it
needs
to
be
fairly
succinct,
fairly
simple,
a
couple
of
items,
one
in
cyatin.
This
isn't
really.
This
is
kind
of
like
the
feedback
for
ballroom.
It
was
like
hey
the
the
logo,
the
images
that
are
being
used.
C
They
have
issues,
and
that's
not
ballroom's
issue.
Yet
until
he's
around
here
long
enough
and
then
he'll
be
like
yeah
hey,
you
should
fix
the
ish,
the
logos,
so
the
same
thing
goes
here.
Is
that
this?
It's
not
necessarily
obvious,
but
this
particular
logo
is.
It
has
a
shadow
behind
the
meshery
icon,
which
in
general,
we
should
probably
look
to
eliminate
from
our
brand
kit.
C
So
that's
one
statement.
Another
statement
is
the
use
of
it
here,
it's
hard
to
tell,
but
it
cuts
off
the
shadow
on
the
bottom
and
so
in
mailchimp.
There
should
be
other
logos
readily
handy
to
use
in
place
of
this
particular
one,
but
it
might
be
nice
we're
using
the
logo
in
the
header
and
the
footer
in
the
header.
It
might
be
nice
if
we
use
the
logo
that
has
the
subtitle
it
has
or
the
the
tagline
multi-mesh
manager,
whereas
in
the
footer
it
would
be
nice
if
we
use
a
different
logo.
C
Something
else
like
like
that,
one
there,
except
without
the
shadow
that
way
the
two
things
are
different.
It
doesn't
look
just
kind
of
like
a
repeat
of
the
same
thing
in
the
the
social
sharing
icons.
F
Oh
yeah,
like
I
think
those
are
the
default.
Actually
I
changed
this
to
linkedin,
twitter
and
our
youtube
channel.
I
changed
it.
Okay,.
C
In
general,
those
are
probably
the
right
social
icons
or
social
links
to
have
the
icon.
These
are
pretty
enough
icons,
I
think,
there's
another
version
that
doesn't
look
as
great
like
in
general,
like
we
want
it
to
look.
We
we
don't
want
to
look
like
the
same
mailchimp
template
that
everybody
else
sends
out,
because
that's
part
of
the
thing
we
I
don't
know
that
we
need
the
horizontal
divider
between
the
logo
and
the
icons,
because,
because
really
those
social
links
are
too
meshery,
so
we
want
them
associated.
C
It
might
be
nice
if
we
can
change
the
wording
where
it's
managing
your
email,
like
I
don't
know
that
people
need.
Two
statements
want
to
change.
How
you
receive
these
emails,
manage
your
email
products.
It
couldn't
just
be
manage
your
email
preferences
instead
of
the
question,
because,
probably
the
simpler,
the
better
it
looks
more
legalistic,
the
more
small
print
that
you
have,
so
the
less
the
less
the
better
the
join
is
so
good.
We
have
a
double
there's.
C
Let
me
give
you
more
specific
feedback,
maybe
off
the
call.
This
is
very
close
and
yeah.
The
hope
is
that
using
the
the
wysiwyg
editor
that
they
have
the
drag
and
drop
editor,
that
the
hope
is
that
the
responsiveness
like
the
mobile
view
in
the
inbox
view-
hopefully
that's
the
one
thing
that
mailchimp
is
actually
bringing
is
taking
care
of
all
that
extra
crud.
C
Okay,
it's
pretty
good
go
at
the
bottom
on
the
bottom.
If
you
would,
you
could
use
this
stacked
logo
or
on
the
top
either
one,
but
but
it
would
be
good
if
they
were
just
two
different
versions
of
logos,
cool
and
then
in
the
inbox.
F
C
D
D
C
C
Cool
the
other
thing,
that's
so
the
other
thing
is
actually
material
to
tell
you
is
that
we're?
Probably
if
you
go
back
to
if
we
look
at
the
content
one
more
time,
if
you
go
back
to
the
desktop
view,
there's
a
couple
of
things
we
want
to
always
tell
people
is
like
hey
click
here
for
here's,
how
we
want
to
call
the
call
to
action
is
to
upgrade
today
like
or
upgrade
to
the
new
version,
and
so
I
don't
know
that
the
join
our
service
mesh
community
is
necessarily
the
right
button.
F
Like
you
want
to
add
this
like
this
one
like
this
is
not
formatted.
I
will
format
this,
but
you
want
to
do.
F
Okay,
like
we
don't
need
this
button
instead
of
this
button,
we
will
do
this
thing.
C
We
might
ask
them
to
join
the
service
mesh
community,
but
let's
first
focus
on
getting
the
the
primary
call
to
action.
Correct
which
is,
you
know,
upgrade
you
know
it's
like.
There's
a
new
release
upgrade
and
then
and
then
there's
other
things
we
might
want
to
tell
people
which
is
like.
Have
you
checked
out
this
the
latest,
like
ideally
like
in
a
different
email?
C
We
will
ideally
tell
them
about,
we
will
hand
curate
it
and
tell
them
about
certain
features
and
have
links
to
videos
and
that
kind
of
a
thing
so
yeah
in
this
particular
template.
It's
you
know
like
it
or
not
like
it's
fair
it'll,
be
fairly
bland,
like
the
only
thing
that
will
change
between
each
time.
Someone
receives
this
email
is
just
the
release,
notes
like
that's
it,
and
so
whatever,
whatever
else
we
put
in
here
needs
to
be
timeless,
so
the
upgrade
instructions,
those
are
timeless.
C
C
And
that's
about
you
know
at
the
moment:
that's
probably
about
it.
There
we
do
in
the
social
icons
we
do
probably
want
one
for
slack,
which
is
the
service
mesh
community
is
in
slack.
We
probably
also
want
one
for
discus,
because
that
would
be
one
of
the
first
places.
Hopefully
people
would
go
when
they
have
an
upgrade
issue.
They'd
go
to
discuss
and
start
to
ask
there.
F
Okay,
so
like
we
need
to
add
two
more
social,
if
you
would.
C
C
F
C
We
probably
the
bottom
one
is
prob
should
probably
stay.
I
don't
know
that
that
first
one
is
necessary.
F
A
Okay,
so
yeah,
I
guess
that's
enough
feedback
for
santan.
So,
like
cynthia,
do
you
have
any
other
doubts
regarding
this.
A
Maybe
I'll
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
topic,
if
you
yeah,
thank
you
send
so
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
topic.
We
are
already
over
time,
but
we
can
just
ask
for
the
update,
so
the
layer
file,
learning
paths.
Sunitis.
Can
you
just
quickly
talk
about
the
updates
on
this
topic?
E
From
my
side
like,
I
was
gonna
take
care
of
the
sidebar
component
that
has
to
be
completed
and
there
was
actually
a
guy
who
was
actually
working
on
it
and
he
was
pretty
new
to
gatsby
and
he
was
learning
stuff.
So
I
didn't.
I
was
not
able
to
get
him
to.
You
know
complete
this
by
this
by
today.
So
I'll
do
one
thing
like
from
by
tomorrow,
like
I
have
asked
him
about
the
status
and
progress
of
this
thing,
but
he
hasn't
replied
me
so
I'll
see.
E
E
For
nickel
side
like
he
has
been
working
on
the
mic
like
migrating,
the
linker
d
workshop
and
stuff,
like
you
can
see,
the
pull
request
that
has
many
protectors
has
been
made.
A
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
so
I
see
the
pull
request
for
the
link
rd
service
mesh
using
linkardi.
So,
okay,
then
this
is
for.
I
think
this
is
up
for
review,
so
we
can
just
ask
we
can
so
anyone
who
is
familiar
with
linkedin
or
mashri
and
wants
to
add
upon
review
on
the
text
or
the
anything
else.
You
can
just
go
up
on
and
review
and
which
will
help
us
to
add
the
course
to
the
learn
layer,
5,
section,
okay,
lee
then
this
is
this.
Work
is
up
to
you
like
the
review
part.
A
Okay,
yeah
next
is
the
domain
transfer
to
the
yeah.
This
is
already
discussed.
We
can
move
on
to
the
last
topic
for
today.
That
is
the
update
for
the
area
of
focus
drop
down
by
debobria.
So
is
there
any
update?
You
want
to
share
devops
here.
H
H
This
is
what
I've
done.
I've
changed
the
logos
over
here
and
I've
changed.
The
labels,
like
the
image,
have
had
a
hyphen.
I
removed
all
that,
but
I
haven't
been
able
to
do
the
grouping
according
to
the
badges
yet.
A
Okay,
by
the
way,
the
logos
looks
nice
like,
along
with
the
text,
so
it
looks
great
we
can
so
maybe
you
can
complete
it
by
the
next
week
or
if
you
need
any
help,
then
you
can
ask
on
the
channel
itself.
H
Okay,
I
think
I
might
need
a
little
bit
help
because
I,
I
thought
I'll,
try
to
manipulate
the
existing
drop
down,
template
and
add
the
groups
within
it,
but
I
haven't
been
able
to
do
it.
I've
been
trying
like
this
entire
week.
H
C
So
here's
a
couple
of
so
so,
just
I
just
search
you
know,
image
search
for
categorized
drop
down.
Here's
a
couple
of
potential
routes
to
go,
one
is
to
like
not
really
have
like.
You'd
have
a
a
section
title
like
called
badges
and
another
one
called
status
or
role,
and
it's
not
intended
to
be
selected.
C
This
one's
more
complex,
the
simplest
way
of
cheating,
is
sort
of
cheating.
If
you
will
to
get
there
is
to
is
to
more
or
less
do
this
you,
you
could
do
it
with
the
the
title
of
the
to
describe
the
category
or
sometimes
you
you'll,
see
like
someone
has
just
put
a
cup
a
few
hyphens
a
few
dashed
lines
that
just
act
as
a
separator,
and
I
think
technically
you
can.
You
know
a
lot
of
times.
A
H
Okay,
yeah,
I
can.
I
can
try
doing
that.
H
So
basically,
the
badge.
Sorry
like
the
three
categories
they
will
be
disabled
and
all
the
lists
will
be
followed.
A
Yeah
yeah
exactly
so
like
with
disabled
it,
it
would
be
like
the
color
would
change
automatically
automatically
either
ways
or
you
might
change
it
to
a
bit
lighter
or
grayish
of
the
text
so
that
it
can
be
distinguished
and
yeah.
That
would
be
enough.
I
guess.
A
Okay,
okay,
then,
if
anyone
else
has
any
thing
to
discuss,
then
we
have
completed
all
the
topics
for
today's
meeting.
So
anyone
else
wants
to
say
anything
before
we
wrap
up.
C
One
thing
very,
quite
very
briefly,
is
just
to
it's
hard
to
do
this.
I
don't
know
it's
it's
hard
to
tell,
but
I
try
to
embarrass
tanoosh
occasionally
and
anyway,
to
news
is:
is
back
he's
on
the
call
has
been
away
at
internship
with
microsoft
for
a
couple
of
months
and
so
they're
all
done
with
him
or
he's
all
done
with
them.
I'm
not
sure
which
way
it
is,
but
but
but
he's
back
to
focus
here,
which
is
great.
C
There
are
there's
a
project
that
tenush
had
most
recently
been
focused
on,
it's
a
plug-in
for
mesherie.
It's
it's
called
mesh
map,
it's
it's
a
visual
topology
and,
and
it
really
needs
to
do
just
help.
So
so
it's
nice
that
he's
back
to
news.
We-
and-
and
I
mentioned
it
here
because
some
of
the
rest
of
you
might
end
up
working
on
that-
I'm
not,
but
to
news
on
tomorrow's
call
for
mesh
map.
It
would
be.
C
It
would
be
really
nice
if
the
functions
that
you
had
last
worked
on
work
because
not
your
fault,
but
I
think
they've
been
mistreated
in
your
absence
or
that
they've
been
not
up
kept,
and
so
at
least
I
don't
think
they
work
so
that
that's
a
great
place
to
start.
C
You
won't
hear
any
discouragement
from
me.
I
mean
yeah,
no,
that
that's
great
there's
and
then,
if
anyone
is
doesn't
know
what
the
project
mesh
map
is,
I
won't
describe
it
because
I
have
a
terrible
way
of
digressing
into
topics
and
going
off
for
20
minutes
and
but
just
ping
to
news
or
josh.
They
can
give
you
a
quick
example
of
what
the
project
is.
A
C
Also
the
first
one
to
reject
he's
like
maybe
maybe
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure,
we'll
see.
A
Yeah,
okay,
so
thank
you
guys
for
joining
like
it
was
nice
call.
We
discussed
a
few
things
about
ux
that
we
didn't
know
exist.
The
two
new
terms
we
learned
today
and
many
more
things
about
mailchimp
and
all
so.
Thank
you
guys
for
joining
and
look
to
see
forward
into
next
meetings
and
as
well
into
the
next
monday's
meeting.
So
thank
you
guys.