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Layer5 Websites Meeting - April 25th, 2022

Agenda:

CTA for MeshMap beta
[volunteer] Need to add a couple more segments to the Meshery overview video on https://layer5.io/meshery. This video project is in Adobe After Effects.
Updates to https://play.meshery.io/
-Footer #11
-Form #10
MeshMap form update #2726
New component for MeshMap modes
SMP Dashboard mobile responsiveness PR #315

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A

uh So welcome to the websites call everyone. I don't think we have any new members on the call today. It's just the four of us as of now uh I'll add the meeting minutes to the chat. You can add your names in the meeting minutes and if you have any agenda items to discuss today, you can add them as well.

A

Can one of your ping akshith.

A

A

All right, uh so the first um agenda item is by rpg. So, okay, do you wanna present your screen? Should I start presenting.

B

uh I think you have the access to that cd, so you can like share that.

B

Is anybody yeah.

B

This is the madrid yeah, so I made this city for a mesh map page like it is redirecting to the mesh beta version, so users can access and enroll for that. So I need uh your uh so you know this like. How can we improve this as lisa to improve this image, this measurement image so lisa to change that? So, if you have any good sessions, you can clear.

A

So yeah I'll just wait for the other people on the because I've already given my feedback to them. Yes, you! What do you guys think about this scholar? How do you think we can improve on this.

C

All the phone is not disabled.

C

It's visible it's, but it's not like really uh that showing up or someone would treat it at first. I think that.

D

B

How did it look if the like the nodes in from which, like the rectangular nodes, are circular like, I think it will look better if the if they are circular than rectangular?

B

B

Do you have any uh pictorial representation of mesh map? I can take preference from.

A

You can visit, I.

B

Guess there's a website in the website. There is one video of it: okay,.

A

So uh we have two images on the page. This is like the mapping you were referring to. This is somewhat similar to this and this mode as well. So if you do not want to like create on your own, you can use. Maybe one of these pictures I'm not sure how they'll turn out, but yeah so killer notes, and maybe something not this symmetrical.

A

A

Are you saying anything.

B

No, it is not from my mic, I think someone else.

A

So yeah another thing is uh since this is this is like a terminal right, so mesh map is basically, I think lee must have told you to remove this terminal sort of thing, I'm not sure um so yeah. You need to work on the notes, because this is somewhat similar, but it's not exactly the representation of freshmen.

B

So can I use that kubernetes, icon or something like that? That is true or doctor, or things like that in in this representation.

A

Yeah, you should be able to. You can use the service mesh icons. You can do something like this, but uh I think there's.

B

A

Something like this, like not the animated version like somewhat similar the mapping. Okay, because here they've used the service mesh icons, you can use kubernetes as an icon as well and yeah. Let's see how that does. Okay.

B

I will look into this.

A

Yeah, and apart from that, the gradient and everything looks fine to me. I think yash was saying that the font isn't uh like visible. It will be popping up- maybe a little darker shade, but have you done something to the gradient from the last time? I checked it the same way.

B

A

Maybe increase the opacity or something I think it's a little dull right now you can make it brighter okay, yeah, but the same gradient will work. I think the gradient looks nice.

A

So just the image needs work so uh try to do it and get back to us on the slab channel. Okay, yeah.

B

D

B

A

All right, so anyone else have any other feedback for this.

A

Right, uh if not, uh I think us we have some newcomers who joined us a little bit so guys welcome to the lay five community. uh If this is your first time attending the websites call, you can introduce yourself to all of us here, so uh we pull brush up. I think I haven't seen you here before. So, if you want, you can introduce yourself tell us what you work with. What brings you here anything you'd like.

E

Hello, I'm nicole, uh I'm basically I'm caught introduced to the organization by my friend share.

E

I haven't done much in open source, but I have done some uh somewhat good in bsa and I would say front-end, uh html and css just that the bigness stuff I'm trying to learn more and more.

A

Welcome to the community if you're uh looking for good first issues, you can just go to github and look at that tag in the issues, and you can, I think, get started like even the knowledge of html css will be enough to sort from issues.

E

A

Do we have brush up? Do you want to introduce yourself to us uh hi? Can you hear me yeah hi, uh I I I joined layer five, uh I think uh 15 days ago somewhere, I'm not a. I mean, uh I'm just a newbie learning, devops and basic programming and stuff uh just learned about docker and trying to learn kubernetes.

A

A

Okay, so I like you, can join the mercedes ball that we have and I think you'll find something to like showcase your devops skills.

A

Welcome all of you uh and I'll share the meeting minutes in the chat box. Again, uh you guys can add your names.

A

So the next topic is basically, you guys must have seen this uh video, the demo video we have on meshmap. If not, you can go check it out once so. We need to expand this video a little bit right now, it's just uh 20 seconds or so so we'll probably provide you with the resources and uh this I think this uses adobe after effects. So if anyone who is into video, editing and stuff, uh please reach out uh we'll have to work on this pretty soon.

A

So even the text and everything will be provided to you. You just need to look like look into the editing. So do we have anyone the call who is into video edit, editing and stuff?

A

You can like volunteer to do this.

B

I don't know about a dog after effects, but I can do it with a camera. If you want so you can do it in with canva using canvas.

A

Okay, so it is another video I have no idea about this like as much so if it works in a similar way you can like reach out to, I think lee texted in the website's channel, so you can just reply there and save you all right.

A

So next up it's again yasha and abigail's topic. So do you guys want to share your updates to the play with me? Let me show you next time.

A

Meanwhile, if you guys have anything you want to discuss anything, you can add it to the meeting units.

C

So we have a landing page for the playground which we will be having the new project, so the landing page wasn't that good before, because it's made in a hurry, I guess.

C

So, first of all, I just changed the form from kind of like this. I tried to make it similar to the mesh map better program that we have right now, so.

D

C

Know uh device not that great, so design design suggestions would be really great and you will have.

A

The form once I haven't, checked out the vr, so I think the form looks good enough and we need to merge this quickly because people are signing up and the page is very distorted right now. Yeah yeah.

C

I staged all the changes which were requested by and this is the footer I made. uh I I tried to replicate from the mystery.io, but in the react you can't use the script tab and I I didn't wanted to use another library for the twitter feed widgets, so I just removed it.

C

Without the feature.

A

So since the theme of the website is following, l5.io should be similar to that, like the black background and everything.

A

Because if you see the nav bar and the color scheme is that from the layer, five dot io website and this will be sort of linked to the learning parts eventually so, preferably the layer, 5 theme, I think- and another thing is uh there's a little bit of reputation like I think in socials is github.

A

Here we have github again.

C

Yeah, I will just replicate the layer 5.

A

This does not have any libraries or anything this is. You can just look into the cloud.

C

No uh in machine or io.

C

There's a twitter which is.

C

Please reach out to me because I really need a great design.

A

Yeah, even if you go down a little bit a little bit more yeah, this launched and learned with measuring is kind of like the tagline for the page. So we need to work on making it like right now, it's very small- and it's not really visible, so maybe another way to present it so that it's like predominant on the page yeah. We need some work on the ui, the form. For now it looks good. I think we can work on it again.

C

A

So anyone on the coil is free to give suggestions for anything that is happening. So you guys can tell what looks good.

B

uh I also have a question related to that uh playground. We have an image over there, like which say it is a cloud native playground. So do we need to replicate that on the top of the page, this image like do? We need to replicate this image in, like uh top of the way like the navbar.

A

Replicate the image itself yeah.

B

Yeah yeah, I think it is part of the ui which we need to like implement once the playground is set up, yeah so maybe which is like accessible accessible from here. Only so maybe.

A

That's true, but uh I think that will be something we'll take up and we actually have like measuring, because right now we just need a sign up for so for that we don't have to replicate this because after you replicate it, uh you cannot have like launch a pattern launch or mesh or these cards right now right, because these are not ready to be like used right now. So.

C

I was just thinking that we can just add, like a coming soon, something like that. What you can't do well like if you scroll down a little where there's like about in the in the image the.

A

uh Though I still think uh coming soon, you can add the component, maybe around here somewhere, but replicating according to me, is not a good idea right now, because we just need the form. So anyone else. What are your opinions on this.

A

Avita leonard, what do you think should be like replicated directly.

A

Because, uh right now, this is like just a placeholder, so if we replicate, we won't have images as well. So I don't think it'll be a good idea right now. What do you guys think if you want to coming soon, you can like add something above the image like instead of just this, maybe add a component here or here somewhere, I don't know yeah. You were saying something: yeah.

B

No, yes, that's the same. uh I think the image itself is looking good. It will be a lot of work to you know actually implement it. Then again, if, if some somewhere in the future, if the design changes, then you have to rework everything so considering this is just for like signing up, I think this is good to go.

A

Plus there is not a lot of ui design right now completed for the playground right. So if you replicate this and the image changes like this is the only ui uh like the thing that we have designed that we have now. So if it changes will be a lot of work, that's right.

A

I hope that's saying with you guys.

A

So do we have anyone on the call who is into designing ui ux.

A

B

I can assist, but not that good.

A

No, I mean I meant like ui designers, okay,.

A

uh Anyways so akshith next up, we have your topic. Do you wanna share your screen.

F

Yeah yeah, let me scare my screen.

A

What's actually about your uh snp page cards, uh everything looks good right now. I I commented as well if you could just align the images vertically like in the center, uh that pr will be good, because.

F

F

So in the matchmak form there is a radio button, so what I did is I have implemented a drop down list, so this actually makes the form bite larger.

A

uh Is it visible for you guys for me, it's not.

C

Yeah, it's like, um maybe your issues was moving. If uh is it visible? uh The whole drop down is visible for you option.

F

Sorry, what are you telling.

B

F

B

To see the old drop.

C

Great, what you do, what you can add is like add some styling in the drop down drop down the list of the drop down. I think everything else is great and thank you for your help.

A

So one more thing is: if you refresh the page once.

F

A

So uh just select anyone which suits you best, uh it'll be better. If that's in grey, like the twitter and linkedin one, uh maybe the icon can be a little bit larger and a little bit more space between the icon and the left margin like about it and another thing is uh select any one that suits you. I think it's a little repetitive of uh like what role best identifies, so maybe I'll think of what else to write that uh I'll tell you in the pr. I can't think of anything right now uh so yeah.

A

These are the two styling changes, another thing which um it has just a nice screaming ones. uh The problem that I have observed is I submitted the form yesterday from your pr. So I basically I get this uh notification. The role is still missing, like it does not submit the role from the doctor. Okay, and I think that is happening because uh you have it this one is awesome.

A

Yeah, you have added selected here right selected to the null value. I think yeah.

F

So I have not assigned the role.

A

Yeah, so even when I uh it, I entered a different role, it doesn't submit it to the form.

A

If you want, I can show it to you once more.

A

This is your recent one right, yeah.

E

A

Because I select this and I submit it,.

C

A

A

Yeah, so the roll is still empty.

F

A

So it's not getting selected or something.

F

A

Yeah- and I think that is mostly because you have like added the selected field to the non value this.

C

Because of this.

A

Because it's not considering, I think, the other one to be selected. I think that is my hunch, so initially you state and stuff, but I think that was working, but the problem with that was it was refreshing the page. So that is why you changed it right, yeah, yeah, so um another place where you can find the drop. A drop down feature was, I think, the members page, but this has been changed. A lot like this is not a drop just a drop down. This is like you, can multi select stuff.

A

So if you can take a look at this, I don't know how helpful it will be, but you can take a look at this one, but again this is not a form, so I have no idea how helpful this one. It shouldn't be this complicated though, but I'm not. I I'm not sure how you can achieve this.

A

uh Will you look into it? If you don't find a solution, you can like discuss it once more.

F

A

uh Any other feedback anything else I mentioned two things: one is graying the text. The icon should be a little bit larger, larger, yes, said: uh working on the drop down a little bit.

A

So it's different for all of us. For me it's showing different, so I'm not sure uh yeah and the most important thing is looking into like why it's not getting submitted. So I think if yes, you've used the same code for this you'll have to change it.

A

So, if either of you is able to figure it out, you can make a text in the public channel as well, so that we know what's happening all right anything else. Your new worksheet.

A

It looks good, the drop down looks good, otherwise,.

A

Right, so uh you guys just saw the mesh map page, so I think I have told this in the previous meetings as well. We need to change the design over here as well. This was made like pretty quick, so it was made without any previous design in mind. This is a component that we have in the mesh meshery page, so I've tried to use a separate component for this.

A

I came up with this, so this is the two modes. If you come here, it's this and if you come here, it's this. So what do you guys think of this new company? Do you think it's an improvement over this.

D

Obviously, it looks amazing.

B

Thank you, wow yeah. It looks good, but uh I think yeah on without over with uh like in initial state. It is a look a bit empty, so we can like add some text over it like design visualizer. So we can like include this initial state like it is looking good, but the initial stage is like occupying too much space like it is good. We can add gradient to it. Maybe.

C

Yeah without the heart it looks like two oversized buttons. Can, I add.

E

Something, no, uh you can try to add separate images on designer visualizer. It works very good on other sides that are fine.

A

Separate images.

E

Yes, for designer and visualizer, you can add images.

B

Instead of text like, I think, people is saying that instead of text.

B

We are using the designer as a text, so we can instead of design a text, we can use an image that you represent a designer for something.

A

You have to come up with images all right, yeah, that's a good suggestion. Maybe icons of some sort.

A

So I am not like favoring reducing size because then, when you hover you'll increase in size, so I think that.

C

A

So, but the icon and image thing is a good suggestion. I'll try to see because right now in mesh map, the problem is, we don't have a lot of images like images like icons and for callouts. The problem is, you are facing, so I'll have to see which icon I can use.

A

There is one like even for your call out, there is okay, but that is used in a separate call out. I think.

A

Yeah, this icon could be used, but this is already used in this column.

B

Yeah and like I think it represents patterns more than measure, so maybe yeah, because it is used for my patterns and one more station related to this, like we can see curvy edges uh instead of the appointments in this design.

A

So we like a rounded yeah.

A

Any other suggestions I'll try to think of what I can use.

A

Aren't you leonard, you can't hear us, you think. That's your name, though, because I can hear everyone right now.

B

But it is great like it is uh better than the previous one, so we can like forward it.

A

This page, like still needs work, though I'm not sure this one and the doctor extension page, which I was just showing.

A

Even this page needs like ui work and right now, like after dockercon, when, like we actually give access to people, this has to be a pretty looking page, which is not quite the case right now, so yeah. So anyone if you think you can experiment like you, can just try out something and just show us on the call like this. That's more than enough all right. So thank you for your suggestions, guys I'll try to look into it.

A

We have one more topic left so yeah. I don't want to finish the call early. So please add more topics to the agenda.

B

Yeah, these were the updates that the following pr addresses, like I implemented a like uh yeah, easy way to add service measures. Since we are, we are, we will be applying filters on the basis of service meshes. I thought adding them in uh like adding different solution. Different inputs is going to be a hectic task and also some I would fix somewhat uh responsive responsiveness in the for the uh the vertical nap bar and yeah.

B

That was a more of the crux of the update and I removed some of the some of the updates that you made in the last year of like I reverted like the jquery thing, because I I figured out a way without needing a jquery. I, uh the footer, was not overlapping.

A

It what I did not quite get the updates you made in the previous part.

B

Okay, so the updates you made in the previous pr like I understood that later, but I did not understand the first part. Okay first part is that I updated the responsiveness of the website like if you uh decrease the size. The vertical navbar disappears.

B

B

Yeah- and I I was thinking of uh like uh replacing the select service mess in in the same way, we are uh replacing it with the block section right when we are decreasing the size. We have a button with the filter thing. I was thinking we can implement the same thing here in the blogs over here. Yeah.

A

I think that's on resources.

B

Okay sources, so if you decrease it, I guess uh yeah, it will change the filter button. So I was thinking. Maybe we can implement here.

A

The occupy less space.

A

I think we were supposed to swap these two columns right, no.

B

No, uh that was previously if the performance profile was in the check box and the service mess was in the vertical lab bar. That was previous and those needed to be slapped, which I swapped.

A

And uh in the last call we were discussing like to do with this yeah.

B

Alternative of drop down eyes, I have still not got any substantial alternative till now.

A

So uh I'm not sure if they'll be helpful or not.

A

I was just looking at this.

A

Yeah over here, if you see uh it, shows the first five and then on scroll. It like shows the next few of them on.

D

A

Hover yeah, and we could have like uh maybe the first four over here on hover the next like up to 10 and since nikhil was saying that loading all of them will be too heavy. You can just like hover and show the same once again and again, without showing loading the entire thing over here also, it stops after a certain point, yeah.

B

A

Yeah, maybe some similar feature.

B

C

In mobile view,.

B

It is not, it will not work.

A

While view we can uh have just the four I think, or it could be scrollable.

B

So a bigger instead of a drop down a bigger section for the test, ids and then, if we hover over it, it will scroll down right.

A

Yeah and scroll down only to a certain limit like not to the entire okay, I don't think we need all of them, just the top 10.. I think that was what was discussed last night yeah.

B

That was discussed, but that's uh after the data come. I think that will be taken into consideration. Yeah.

A

So right now you can just work on the scrolling look. However, okay.

B

And there was a proposal by yash and abj like uh should we make the uh dashboard page in react instead of jekyll, so I uh is there like any suggestions or any feedback on why we should do it or why? What what's stopping us? So why should not we do it? That would be great.

B

We asked who are they.

A

So see I what we will say and what even I'll say right now is, if you guys want to work on like changing it to react, you will have to convince everyone why we should react you have to like, even when we started doing the measuring refactor to uh the refactoring process that are happening. There was a proposal that was sent out like what are the advantages of like changing it.

A

So if you think that there is something which which we cannot achieve with what we have currently like say that you can get in touch with aditya as well he's working. So if you think that there is one aspect which we just cannot do or will be too difficult to handle, uh based on what we have currently on the dashboard or anything, because the other side is just one page, so keeping in mind uh write it down why you think uh we should like.

A

Why is it necessary to change it to react if it's convincing and if we have enough people to like carry it out, there's like there's nothing stopping us from doing it, but we need like otherwise it'll, be a waste of time for you for words for everyone right. So we need to like completely understand why that is necessary.

B

Okay, so we have some questions related to the dashboard like what is the flow and stuff, so we will discuss that with others. We can come up with a better proposal.

A

Yeah, so you can discuss with him as well. Maybe on slack you guys can have like a group like that.

B

We can discuss it in the website channel itself like publicly. I.

A

B

A

So after that, if you think that the transition is absolutely necessary and doing it on jk will be too much of a trouble like more than what is required. Then we can and then we will look into how to divide the world, but otherwise, uh like it it'll just be a waste of life. In my opinion,.

A

So that brings us to the end of the agenda items for today. So anything else you guys want to discuss.

B

Like do anyone able to find that solution for that? That info error that we are facing in uh that nighthawk project and in measuring dot, io well as well.

B

There is an error related to uh tzn4, which comes in the window, so it is related to ruby, so uh that works as a blogger and blocker, and we are not able to make beer as we are not able to uh serve and.

A

Does that happen, you cannot build the site locally.

B

A

uh You're talking about the machine or io site.

B

Yeah in mystery.io uh there are some like open, machine. and you're able to see some.

A

Issues related to that here, I'll try to recreate.

A

A

You guys cannot see my terminal right. Can you.

B

Yeah, it is not visible.

C

B

Like you can also go on the peers of mystery.I and in one of the fear that error is mentioned.

A

My site is building.

C

Yeah, but we are on windows, yeah, it's some windows only. I have shared a slap thread in the chat about it.

C

See you can't find any solutions for that. I think uh that shows also showing on wsl not sure about that.

A

Okay, so on windows, as much as I remember, I was having trouble uh not with the message: okay yeah, so I I think when I was using windows, I wrote some points down uh in a doc I'll try to find that doc and share it with you guys, I'm not sure if it's the same error, because when I was building measure.I, I was facing some errors which I had to change by changing some code in the gem file.

A

Like every time I had to like build it, I had to change some code in the gem file and then install some more stuff, so I'll try to find the dock and share it with you guys. If uh did you guys, raise a question and discuss forum.

C

Yeah, you shared a link to the discussion.

C

uh I will start a discussion.

B

It is related to dz.

A

I'm not sure if I'll be able to find it right now I'll find the dog for you and I'll share yeah. There are some extra steps that you need to do: okay, there's a dog here. I remember I wrote it down so I'll share with you. Tz infrared you'll, actually, uh you'll have to add, like you'll, have to run the command bundle, add tz info and after that, you'll get another error for fabric yeah.

A

Okay, again, you have to do bundle ad fabric that can die and if you've seen the error, I think they'll give some suggestions to do to add this chat that so have to add it and basically install it, doesn't install it automatically.

A

So bundle ad works and uh instead of make site, run the command as it is like the bundle.

B

Execute check itself yeah and that that error is also mentioned in one of the issues in measure.I. uh Nikhil also asked me the same like how can we resolve that, but we are not able to find any sustainable solution for that.

A

uh Can you share the link to that issue? Add it over okay.

A

Let me find try to find the dog right now.

B

I shared the link in chat, so you can see this mentioned in a full request.

A

B

This is, and this is the same error we are facing in the get knight of projects.

A

uh This is one dog that I found. This is working with jekyll, and this is, I think this has instructions for wsl, as well as for there's an alternative for the documentation, but as much as I remember, you will have to do the same process like bundle, add break and all the other errors that you get something similar to this.

A

You pasted the link in the chat right.

D

A

I'll add it to the meeting minutes and I'll take a look.

A

So if uh that still doesn't fix the problem, I'll look into the issue once, but I think bundle ad should fix it like that tzad info thing. It should be fixed by bundle.

B

Okay, I will try that and if I am able to run that locally, I will notify you on slap.

A

So, do you guys have anything else that you'd like to discuss today.

A

Any other blockers and you want to feel specific.

G

Hey guys hey, where did we end up with the proposal about react on smp site.

B

G

A

B

It like we, we are planning to have a meet with for a better understanding of projects and why we need to react. So we will like mention all the points in a document, and we will share that on slack. So community can see the document and uh persuasions on there.

G

Nice, you guys might want to refer back to the notes that we took or to the recording from last week. I think it was, I don't recall everything everything that was said, but there might be a few things in there that can help you, because right now, the way that I see it is it's just a waste of time. To be honest, to be like really blunt with you- uh and I explained, I think I explained that last week- it's not that it's not it's, not it's, not it's!

G

um No one gives to no one cares.

G

What they care about is like a report that says that mesh is faster than that mesh and then otherwise, like it's really not going to affect anything because you're able to achieve and anyway as you do, it is a good analysis. It's a good exercise, it's kind of like I was talking to y'all josh has been.

G

In written form articulating himself, just you know kind of better and better and uh writing a proposal is, is excellent exercise both in terms of you know, written language, but also in terms of um well like making it making a compelling argument or, or even if it isn't compelling it might, it might be compelling to you. You guys might find out that there isn't something compelling or you might find out that there really really is it's like. It doesn't even make sense not to do it. It only makes sense to do it.

G

If you're on react like you, you might find out any of those things all of the above. um It's it's a worthwhile exercise. It's not necessarily totally clear. I think that the I think you'll find that deciding factors for what put it. Excuse me for the things that you would write down like the individual factors that would really weigh heaviest are actually probably non-technical.

G

Probably it's because it comes down to stuff like okay who's. You know about how long would that take who's here to execute on who knows that this stuff are? We?

G

uh Is it sustainable after those people that have created it leave, do others in the community like there's a bunch of like softer factors that weigh in that weigh pretty heavily or they they weigh heavily in general, but they also tend to weigh even more heavy when the technical factors aren't are are fairly light, if that makes sense like um if if it was super difficult to do with one piece of tech, and the argument was for a piece of tech that makes it much easier.

G

That's like there's a strong weight to that factor um if there isn't yeah, but if those are about the same, then the softer factors have even more relevance, even more weight to them, because because there's an absence of a strong argument, otherwise, anyway, I'm kind of rambling. Now it's um like on the surface of it to me, it's not necessarily clear that one is inherently better than the other uh just like. If no other factor is considered, it would just sort of be like yeah gatsby's, a more capable piece of tech.

G

If we generally have people who are here generally are comfortable with it. We think we can sustain it like it would be it's a pretty. You could put a lot of positives for moving to react. The the biggest the most significant negative is. Do you know when the like?

G

So we have a talk on meshmark at servicemeshcon and the talk recording was due on friday and guess what we haven't started yet, um but guess what the mesh mark falls into smp, so it'll be on stage at kubecon once or twice, which means like okay, if you can get it converted and done by that time, great, but you're actually doing a lot of leg work like yeah. It's a different factors to consider like you'll end up doing a lot of there's some amount of rework of.

G

What's there right now, it's not like, there's a and if subeddie's on this is a good frame. It's not like there's a ton of work, that's been put into it at the moment.

D

G

Time to market speed is pretty important and it might be done more quickly with the other one, but that would include the rest of the site. You don't want it to be two different things, because it's just kind of sad that, like there's a one, there's two pages, the main page and a blog, a blog page, and then there's this separate thing. It's like anyway, that's not what you're proposing, but I'm just saying time is of the essence and by the way betty. If we don't get it done soon, I'm just going to go.

G

Do it because, because we need it.

D

Yeah, it will be done.

G

Oh nice, okay, good! It was top of mind for me that doesn't mean that um that also doesn't mean that there can't be phases like hey. We just needed it done soon and then also we needed it done right using gatsby after the fact or different possibilities.

G

Anyway, I didn't want to. I just want to give you some direct feedback like if you're going to spend time doing stuff here like reworking is generally it's. What every engineer likes to do. Let's go start something new and we're free of the requirements. We could use lisa and uh it doesn't mean anything to anybody. It's not helpful a lot of times so.

G

Okay, sometimes yes, sometimes it is like totally necessary. Sometimes it's like oh yeah yeah. You have to change it. This other way isn't working and um we took we're going to take all the learnings from where we made the mistakes before and put them into the the new architecture, the new design and it's going to be a lot better and it ends up being a lot better and so.

B

Okay, so I think we can like work on the jackal one and we can uh working on improving that if, uh if we are not planning to like, uh like uh I, I agree with your point- it is, it will be time consuming and it means like uh not.

G

B

uh At the end, so I I can we can.

G

B

Have a call with the aritha and prana to understand project better and to speed up things on jacqueline itself, so so we can assist them so yeah.

G

Yeah, and by the way, you do not have to agree with me on this, like it's okay, not to I, this isn't one of those times um part of it too. You might want to assess like how comfortable are you with jekyll.

B

uh I am very comfortable with jekyll I I have worked with uh like juggling projects and uh in lfx. I am also working in a jacket for you, so you.

D

I know nice. Okay, that's great! That's great! um Another.

C

uh uh Jack comes, that is that there's many people who are comfortable with react to foreign.

G

Yeah you know what's funny is like I, I don't disagree like there's a lot of truth in that or there's it's it's as reasonably chuckles, because usually it's like the other way around. Usually it's like jekyll's, fairly straightforward, like in terms of like relative to the two one is okay, you can get complex, jackal sights, but on the surface of it it um yeah. I think you could argue it both ways like um that's. Actually, the reason that we using jekyll is because it's just easier to pick well generally easier to pick up.

G

That said, if you first started learning in a react way, then it's just so much easier for you and react than it is this other. It just feels weird the other way and so like there's a lot of truth, either way, it's just.

G

um Yeah, I didn't mean to make the decision for you guys either. I just like it really is. The reality of the time is of the essence like it is. My video been off the whole time? Okay, it really is um yeah.

G

um The other thing is, I don't know, did you get any feedback on your design.

B

uh On on on that ct, yeah yeah, I got some feedback from the other community members, so I am implementing I'm thinking about changing that image into like something like image map so.

G

And the gradient and the other stuff yeah.

B

I I think, like gradient, looks fine as.

G

B

Suggested maybe it is more darker.

G

H

G

Yeah, um I don't know, I don't know, there's time will tell ava jae. If this is the case, there's uh you guys know nikhil lada mesh mate, the kill he is. um It finally came down to it. One day we were just kind of going over designs again and I had to just let him know. I don't think his parents. Let him know that he's colorblind he's like dude you're. Just I don't. These are the butt ugliest designs. I've seen you have no sense of style, I'm sorry! Now any it's been like a year.

G

It's been like two years now with mikhail and uh I see there's I feel like there's a little bit of coloration starting to form in the back of it, like he's, starting to see things a little bit differently, but it's it's just not an it. Wasn't it wasn't a natural thing for him um and abigail?

G

I don't know if your parents have let you know yet anyway. Anyway, I don't think it's quite anyway. Here, um let's see what the second iteration looks like. uh I might be curious. What tool are you using to do your design? Oh I'm using figma.

B

Yeah, I'm using the resources shared by the layer, 5 community in that figma design. So I'm using that resources only.

G

A

By the way overview video, I think abijah was saying he uses canva for editing. So do you think that will work for you.

G

Which one is this for the call to action, or is it for so.

E

G

No, I didn't even know that canva was really capable of oh, do you mean canva like you'd, be uh there'd, be a person speaking over like you'd, have like the person cut out and they'd, be speaking over the video.

B

uh No, like android providers, different uh transactions and stuff like uh there is a tool named canva. We can like do different, designing stuff in that and different video editing stuff. It is also used in.

G

B

G

Yeah yeah, I do see I am looking at the video capabilities yeah, it's kind of like yep. It kind of reminds me of what figma is to something like illustrator uh cameraman.

B

Like it is not that powerful as adobe after effects but like we can achieve different things, if you're good with designer stuff like uh it, provides us a pretty good templates. So we can like edit that and make a video out of it.

G

Yeah, nice yeah, we need more than we need a number of videos, and so it's definitely worth a shot to see if um to see. If something might work with some of the videos that we need are just people explaining um like what a con. What a kubernetes content just explaining different capabilities in measuring.

G

Yeah, if we end up with a good uh nice looking theme or something.

B

Oh, I like I haven't, built anything uh like that on canva, but I will give that a shot like a person speaking and doing.

G

Good so then, as we start, I just want to set the right expectation that there's a eight percent chance that that what you do would be accepted like it's a very low problem. I just want to set the right expectation then, because like it's just but but it's worth trying, if you hit the, if, if it falls within the eight percent, it's worth it.

G

Give it your best.

G

B

A

Yeah, but I think uh people said oh yeah, it starts from the beginning, so I changed my message to this, but uh people like uh they people on the call they suggested, adding icons, because right now on the landing page, it looks a little uh plain on. However, it is filled, but otherwise it's not so. Can you think of any icons that I can use? I don't think I can design click. I can switch.

G

Yeah we need we just we need a mesh map. Logo like that's, and obviously that might be something you'd like to ideate on, is just ideas as to what it might look like, um but yeah it once we have a better logo, then there could be two versions of it of the same thing that one for designer one for visualizer.

G

Yeah at the moment I wouldn't I hesitate to suggest.

A

But otherwise do you think this is something we can go forward with.

G

Yeah, that's really: oh yeah, it looks pretty fantastic. Can you go to the other side? So if you go there and then is there any interaction that people have or like? Are you able to click or to do? Okay.

A

Right now, because, like there's nowhere to lead to.

G

A

G

A

Make a page dedicated to visualizer in the future like what visualizer is then we can like take it to that place.

G

Yeah or if there was like a canva video or something that was in there and we could yeah. So if you you do me a favor, if you would, if you kind of scroll up and down the page, just to get a sense of how that.

G

Feels you keep going okay here we go.

A

uh Akshat is working on these nice.

G

Oh that's great yeah and then, if you.

G

Yeah, the page is looking better than it has, and yet it still needs it. There's there's too much text, which is no one, which is you know my fault. If anyone's too much text and the mesh map modes- that's quite nice, it might be so if you hover again, you get it. Okay, so yeah. I wonder if, where it says world-class visual editor and then the other subtitle, I wonder if you were to show the subtitles on the outside and then the screenshot and the caption on hover.

G

It might something worth trying.

G

G

Yeah, what if yeah yeah it's a lot of green? It's pretty!

G

But I wonder if yeah, if there was a different color on the outside.

A

So the reason I did not add a gradient is because, like the gradient was on hover. So that is why even I was like this one looks good to me, but even I was trying to think of what we can do to the actual landing page.

G

Yeah, if the two, if there was the gradient that you're using on hover, if you use an inverse of that um here- maybe that's just too much- maybe it but um but you could that's something to potentially play with.

G

A

It reverses the gradient okay, like that, can be done like if it's darker over here on hover it'll be lighter yeah, that's good.

G

Oh yeah, I don't know if that has the effect of making it look like it's like, like a scrolling page, because the two would be kind of tied where that that's not necessarily what you're going for, but it might change the way that this this. This feels.

G

Anyway, cool nice, the use of shadows is great yeah to the extent that when someone were to hover even just now with an image like this, if someone were to hover, if it were to, if you, when you hover your mouse on the image itself, if the image itself was to just like fill up the screen and or when they move their mouse around, you know how, if you guys, are ever on a shopping site. You're.

G

Looking at an item, you can click to get a bigger view, but then sometimes they have the cursor, the magnifying glass and a plus sign. So you can you just get like a window in a window like like that that would spice it up a bit something to where they can zoom in.

B

We can do one more thing, like initial initial state we can like uh take designer, as as of now like yeah, the state we will like set to initial street like this there's another visualizer, and when user over to visualizer there's a little like collapse, something like this.

B

Initially, we can like uh display it as it is right now.

G

I see what you're saying have one of them open by default. Yep.

G

Nice, it's deborah priya, this um great, it's no one's saying it doesn't look pretty. I didn't hear that and that it isn't an improvement like it is so, and it helps people comprehend the fact that what we're trying to articulate in words is that there's these two modes and uh this this really provides that distinguishment.

A

That that was the only objective behind this like to show that we have treatments yeah, oh nice,.

A

So we are 12 minutes over. I think, if there's nothing else right now, we can grab the call.

A

Thank you all for joining today, see you guys next week, bye-bye.

G

Well, thanks deborah.