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From YouTube: Layer5 Websites Meeting (Oct 19th, 2020)
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A sneak peak at the new service mesh landscape from @geraldmaboshe!
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Yeah,
so
this
is
the
current
design.
Basically,
I
still
need
to
fix
some
things
like
this
is
not
completely
showing
they
should
show
it
as
it
is
going
down,
but
it
is
scrolling
ahead
without
the
complete
thing
appearing
first,
apart
from
that
need
to
include
a
com
component
here
and-
and
these
are
just
blur
text
for
now-
nothing
else.
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Of
reasons
so
one
just
you
know,
we've
been
waiting,
we've
been
in.
You
know
very
dire
need
of
animations
and
so
happy
about
this.
But
when
you
get
to
the
pattern
section
to
the
third
section
or
or
I
should
say
just
as
you
end
deploy
yeah
right
here
as
you're
starting
to
scroll
at
what
point
do
we
hit?
Okay,
so
you're
see.
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A
B
No,
it's
not
necessary
so
from
what
I
could
read
was
that
they
told
that
it
if
it
doesn't
add
up
to
100,
it
will
just
suppose
till
now
it
didn't
add
up
to
100
so
till
here
it
completed
all
the
text
it
needed
to
show
and
after
that,
if
even
if
we
scroll
down
nothing
is
animating
in
this
terminal.
Unless
we
hit
this
point.
A
Because,
when
you
scroll
to
the
very
bottom
of
patterns
like
you
start
to
lose
the
terminal,
and
so
I
wonder,
do
you
know
how
many
frames
we're,
including
in
the
third
step,
I'm
not
sure
exactly?
I
can
check
quickly
because
anyway,
the
question
is,
I
guess.
The
question
in
my
mind
is
are:
is
that
over
100
steps
and
is
that
why
we're
not
reaching
the
end
of
the
animation
before
we
reach
the
end
of
the.
B
I
don't
think
so.
It
is.
I
think
it
is
some
another
issue
for
from
what
I
could
make
up
make
out,
that
they
are
using
something
one
react
hook
for
this
yeah.
So
basically
they
are
just
keeping
this
static
and
checking
out,
which
is
what
part
is
leaving
the
viewport.
Accordingly,
they
are
animating
this.
A
I
wonder
if
yeah
to
your
point,
I
wonder
if,
because
we
don't
have
another
component
other
than
the
footer
on
the
page,
I
wonder
I
wonder
if
the
subsequent
component,
you
know
the
subsequent
component
that
they
have.
Is
that
screen
screenshot
switcher,
it's
like
a
like.
I
wonder
if
there
wasn't
a
piece
of
that
component
that
had
or
played
a
role
here.
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B
A
A
couple
quick
more:
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
wasn't
hogging
the
feedback
time,
so
this
is
a
low
priority
to
like
no
priority
just
this
next
comment.
So
it's
you
know
the
I
don't
know
if
it
would
be
a
distraction
or
nice
if
the
three
in
the
terminal
window
itself
just
the
terminal
itself,
the
three
empty.
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That
is,
or
maybe,
arguably
a
nominal
value
in
part,
because
that's
not
really
what
we
want
to
teach
people
and
tell
people
like,
because
that's
not
the
value
of
the
project.
It's
also
hopefully
somewhat
boring,
because
it's
just
a
single
command
and
hopefully
it
just
comes
up
and
starts
and
it
actually
pulls
open
your
web
browser.
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So
if
we
were
gonna,
show
use
this
animation
to
show
that,
like
on
the
second
step
or
the
third
step,
instead
of
it
being
a
terminal,
we
would
probably
just
show
a
screenshot
of
your
browser
paying
up
so
right.
Now
we
have
a
little
bit
of
a
cross.
I
think
between
the
install
of
mesherie
itself
and
then
trying
to
highlight
some
of
its
potential
value.
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G
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A
Because
neil
has
a
good
point
like
that,
that's
certainly
something
that
struck
me
as
well
is
that
well
maybe
we
just
need
some
more
text
or
you
know.
Maybe
we
need,
and
so
I
know
tunisia
is
considering
bringing
in
a
couple
of
images
or
so
are
underneath
the
text,
and
that
would
help
that
would
help
make
it
look
not
so
separated.
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B
B
So
the
problem
would
that
be
while
we
can
define
classes
in
sharpie,
but
we
need
to
define
the
styling
for
those
classes
in
the
rapport
itself.
If
we
do
that,
the
problem
would
be
that
it
is
strap.
You
doesn't
interact
with
gatsby
directly
means
if
we
make
a
change
in
strap.
It
is
not
the
case
that
the
changes
will
show
directly
in
in
the
star
in
the
website.
We
will
need
to
redeploy
the
site,
then
only
the
changes
will
take
place.
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B
A
And
then
yep,
and
so
in
most
respects
and
which,
or
rather
and
that
falls
in
line
with
how
gatsby
works
and
how
we
use
gatsby.
Today
you
want
to
make
a
you
want
to
put
up
a
new
post.
You've
got
to
do
another,
build
when
strappy
comes
onto
the
scene
and
correct
me
if
I
mischaracterize
this,
but
strappy
is
something
of
an
out-of-band.
A
Content
management
system
wherein
it
does
source
from
a
database
and
you
can
create
and
draft
new
posts
and
sort
of
see
what
they
look
like,
but
in
order
for
those
things
to
take
effect
on
the
production
site,
you'll
still
need
to
go
through
another
build
and
kind
of
deploy
of
gatsby,
which
is
just
how
a
static
site
works
like
that's,
that's
what
you're
gonna
have
to
do
yeah
now
good.
For
my
part,
I'm
I'm
in
favor
of
the
predefined
set
of
styles,
which
will,
I
think,
it'll
do
a
couple
of
things.
A
I
don't
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
imagery
and
specific
things
that
we
need
to
do
inside
of
a
post
that
really
call
for
special
case
things
like
we
need
an
image.
That's
left
aligned
center
aligned
right
aligned.
We
need
one
that
has
you
know
all
of
them
that
have
thumbnails
and
you
can
click
like
it's
a
limited
set
of
concerns
with
respect
to
what
we
want
to
do
on
a
post,
page
hyperlinks
that
you
know
go
to
other
internal
pages,
just
hyperlinks
that
go
to
external.
A
These
needs
styled
like
there's
a
limited
set
and
so
yeah.
There
is
upfront
work
to
define
those,
but
then,
beyond
that
it
becomes
a
lot
easier
for
people
to
write
posts
because,
like
an
example
of
sriti
is
putting
in
these
collapsible
expandable
sections
in
measuring
docks
and
at
some
point
my
hope
is-
is
that
she'll
go
and
update
the
docs
docks
the
docs
documentation
to
highlight
those
styles
because
that's
a
fantastic.
B
A
That
makes
sense
like
hey
the
there
might
be
a
limited
set
of
concerns
that
strap
is
going
to
be
able
to
address
like
so.
For
my
part,
the
you
know
to
kind
of
recount
part
of
our
original
thinking
and
why
it
is
that
we're
using
these
components
and
how
the
logic
for
me
behind
strappy
is
a
couple
of
things.
One
that,
like
we
have
we've
had
a
number
of
posts
from
we've
had
posts
from
a
lot
of
different
folks,
some
of
whom
are
have
never
used
gatsby.
A
Before
a
little
bit
uncomfortable
they're
able
to
write
content
in
markdown
but
being
able
to
preview.
It
is
been
a
challenge
whether
it
was
jekyll
or
gatsby
so
having
strappy
helps
facilitate
a
wysiwyg
environment
in
which
they
can
be
comfortable,
and
we
can
have
a
review
process.
That's
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
be
as
technical
as
pull
requests
and
auto
generating
of
netlify
previews
and
things.
A
So
that's
what
I'm
hoping
to
get
out
of
strappy
with
another
thing,
I'm
hoping
to
get
out
of
strappy
is
some
improvement
around
well
a
little
bit
around
information
architecture.
So
today,
if
you
consider
that
someone
goes
to
write
a
post,
maybe
sudeep
is
writing
this
one.
He
goes
to
look
at
the
tag.
He
doesn't
really
have
a
place
to
look
at
tags
in
the
code.
A
Rather
he
just
thinks
like
well.
This
is
istio
related
post.
I
there.
I
should
put
it
into
the
istio
category,
so
he
types
istio
in
turns
out.
There
wasn't
an
istio
category
before,
but
now
he
has
just
created
one
and
that
category
has
one
post.
Well,
that's
not
really
a
category.
Yet,
moreover,
we
didn't
want
95
categories.
A
We
didn't
want
people
making
up
categories
or
tags
necessarily
willy-nilly,
and
I
think
strappy
will
help
us
in
that
regard.
He'll
help
us
with
our
information
architecture.
Hopefully
it'll
help
us
with
our
seo,
to
the
extent
that
it
highlights
to
either
it
auto-generates
some
of
that
maybe
or
that
it
just
highlights
to
people
that
there
are
empty
fields
that
need
to
be
filled
in
what
is
this
post
about?
What's
its
excerpt?
A
That's
why,
when
we
move
to
strappy
we'll
need
to
do
some
quiet
thought
about
information
architecture,
I
think
mostly
about
what
those
collections
are
so
to
news
to.
Your
point.
Tell
me
if
you
guys
see
this
differently,
but
it
seems
like
in
strappy.
It
would
deal
with
blogs.
It
would
deal
with
collections.
A
It
doesn't
or
it
could,
but
we
wouldn't
be
using
it
for
that.
Like
paint
in
like
a
long-lived
individual
pages,
maybe
people
might
use
it
with
strappy
to
help
with
that.
If
it's
a
con,
if
it's
a
working
change,
but
if
it's
a
change
with
respect
to
the
component
and
things
like-
if
that's
just
my
guess,
because
I
haven't
used
strappy,
so
I
I
think
it
should
also
help
with.
A
A
Yep,
so
getting
in
hands
on
an
instance,
I
think
helps
with
fiddling
around
and
futzing
with
it
and
and
then
being
thoughtful
about
its
information
architecture,
which
is
in
part
what
I
was
hoping
to
accomplish
with
mccool's
deploy
and
knowing
that
that
takes
about
two
seconds
to
stand
up.
Abhishek.
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A
Oh
all
right
so
avishak
abhishek
amiya
had
done
the
community.
A
nice
favor
he's
brought
to
bear
some
of
his
skills
around
cloud
devops
and
did
a
deployment
of
strappy
an
ec2
instance
and
a
postgres
rds
instance,
and
that's
about
as
far
as
I
know,
the
details
of
what
he
had
done.
But
I
believe
he
was
successful
in
standing
up
an
instance
and.
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A
Everyone
else
in
the
call
the
the
harder
part
to
this
is
the
information
architect
is
like
hey:
what
are
the
items
that
you
can
configure
in
strappy
and
here's
a
proposal
on
how
we
think
that
those
should
be
done
do?
Is
it
necessary
to
have
your
hands
on
a
strappy
instance
to
figure
that
out,
or
is
this
something
that
can
be
put
together
from
strappy
documentation.
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Yeah,
so
I
think
I've
just
made
enough
work
to
be
counted
as
a
first
iteration
for
the
mastery
page
of
the
layer,
5g
website
and
the
few
things
that
I
like
to
just
that
are
different
from
the
the
xd
preview,
I'll
just
us
so
yeah.
So
this
part
is
a
bit
new
for
this
section
for
the
mesh
management
section
and
the
use
cases
yeah.
I
So
this
part
is
also
new,
but
the
thing
is
like
still:
we
are
missing
someone
to
design
a
pre,
a
smaller
or
something
which
can
be
used
as
a
preview
for
the
features
section
over
here
and
then
I
can
just
put
in
the
data
so
like
this
will
be
I'll.
Just
convert
it
to
like
four
four
columns
in
a
row,
and
it
would
be
enough.
But
the
thing.
A
I
I'm
waiting
for
a
some
preview
that
I
can
use
so
like
it
would
be
very
much
clear
that
will
four
rows
be
working
good
or
like
we'll
need
three
or
something
else
and
the
faq.
This
is
the
faq
section.
So
this
is
something
like
I.
I
did
like
very
much
in
I
saw
in
a
website,
and
I
tried
to
incorporate
this
thing.
Yeah,
that's
basically
much
and
yeah.
This
is
some
marketing
thing.
I
thought
could
be
very
much
so
this
is
my
personal
opinion.
I
did
use
this
yeah.
I
I
I
I
We
do
need
to
have
a
background
over
this
part
because
in
any
like
the
differentiation
between
the
header-
and
this
section
is
very
much
important-
I
guess
for
this
part
for
this
page
so
like
it-
would
be
very
much
like
when
you
scroll
it's
definitely
differentiated
but
like
when
you
land
upon
it.
I
don't
think
it
looks
like
it
looks.
It
won't
be
very
much
attractive
in
that
sense.
So.
I
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I
I
Like
this,
so
the
thing
is
this
will
require
a
library,
yeah
yeah,
because
I
did
try
this
for
my
personal
project
once
and
like
it
was
much
of
sweat
to
do
this
thing
and
like
because
this
the
the
component
will
be
like
we
have
to
ensure
the
zoom
in
zoom
out
and
all
those
things
in
this
so
like
yeah.
If
you
can
give
it
a
try,
it
would
be
very
good.
A
Just
to
finish
that
other
thought
was
I'm
glad,
neil,
that
neil
chimed
in
that
sounds
like
a
fantastic
idea.
It'll
give
not
only
does
the
structure
that
josh
is
bringing
look
pretty
good,
because
it's
each.
You
know
that
the
components
have
something
of
a
unique
design.
There's
a
set
of
components
that
are
in
a
series
that
show
off
features.
That's
that's
great.
The
other
ones
are
somewhat
unique.
A
What
more
can
you
ask
of
josh
like
hey
other
people
need
to
come
to
bear,
to
put,
you
know,
do
some
visual
design,
and
so
neil
thanks
for
jumping
in
that's
perfect,
like
josh,
I
think,
had
a
decent
vision
for
what
might
be
to
come
in
the
well
on
that
on
that
visual
that
we're
seeing
on
the
screen
right
now,
of
course,
digestion
that
sounds
pretty
fantastic.
We've
been
talking
with
jethro
and
the
other
gerald,
the
other
gerald,
whose
last
name
is
peter.
I
A
I
A
A
I
mean
we
have
a
lot
of
room
for
things.
This
is.
This
is
really
interesting.
I
hadn't
seen
this
before.
This
is
a
great
way
of
like
letting
people
explore
something.
That's
pretty
cool
news
to
news.
You
might
get.
You
might
get
some
ideas.
When
you
see
this,
I
don't
know
the
person.
That's
sharing
the
screen
josh.
If
you
would,
can
you
scroll
to
the
top
or
rather
yeah?
I
think
it's
scroll
to
the
top.
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A
Some
change,
if
we
can
like
that
actually,
hopefully
all
of
you
have
the
sense
that
that
that
we
intentionally
want
to
change
things
from
the
current
site
to
this
one
and
that's
why
we're
moving
sites?
It's
not
there's
some
good,
there's
some
good
structure
to
the
old
site,
but
it's
all
up
for
question
you
know
like,
and
so
that
includes
the
the
landscape.
The
landscape
is
so
like
gerald.
I
think
one
of
the
and
for
everyone,
one
of
the
things
that
we
would.
A
A
There
is
the
notion
that
there
would
be
a
table
is
still
very
helpful
and
can
be
can
be
really
good
when,
if
there's
a
table,
that's
more
of
a
it's
more
of
a
like.
If
you
take
the
current
table,
that's
there
and
you're
talking
about
the
features
and
the
functions
of
each
piece
of
technology
of
each
service
mesh
and
where
some
of
them
say.
Yes,
they
say
yes
or
no.
A
A
G
Are
we
using
any
css
frame
means
any
framework
in
this
site
currently
like
we
are
using
material
ui
for
the
machine,
which
is
a
very
good
framework?
If
we
want
some
design
aspects,
then
you
can
use.
If
we
are,
if
you
can
import
the
that
framework,
then
we
can
use
a
component
which
is
material
ui
tabs
and
instead
of
showing
multiple
tables
means
you
can
create
a
common
section
which
can
be
which
can
switch
between
tables
using
the
tab.
G
G
G
G
I
I
B
G
B
B
C
F
G
G
F
A
A
A
Daryl
there
is
I'll
remind
me
I'll
try
to
do
it
right
after
this
call.
There
there's
like
what
maybe
one
other
visualization
that
I
don't
think
that
we
have
created.
Actually
nick
hill
is
maybe
a
better
nikhil.
You
know
how,
on
the
the
current
landscape,
there
were
a
few
different.
I
think
spectrums
is
what
we
were
referring
to
them
as.
G
A
Yeah
got
it,
it
won't
yeah,
it
won't
make
the
initial
pr
so
huge,
okay
got
it
by
the
way
kind
of
like
josh
had
said
earlier,
where
josh
was
saying
like
hey,
you
know
this.
This
mystery
page
pr
has
been
open
for
quite
a
while.
I've
been
adding
to
it,
refining
it
adding
to
it.
It's
certainly
not
done,
but
maybe
we
can
land
it
and
I
totally
agree.
A
A
G
E
A
G
G
G
G
Sorry
I
didn't
get
that
means
from
this
file.
We
are
including
other
files
which
you
can
see
like
partial,
slash
spectrum.html,
which
basically
adds
some
css
to
the
page
so
over
here.
So,
if
you
go
to
the
data
go
through
the
data
on
this
file,
then
you
can
navigate
to
the
other
files
where,
where
you
can
find
other
data
to
get
the
spectrum
part
of
the.
G
G
A
F
A
A
And
you're
here
you're
on
mute.
Oh
your
mic's,
not
working,
okay,
yeah,
no
problem!
There
were
a
couple
of
action
items
that
that
if
you
feel
like
they're
appropriate
to
toss
into
github
issues,
we
might
want
to
do
that
a
little
bit
later.
I
think
I
took
an
action
item
or
two,
so
I
know
it
feels
good
to
go,
create
issues
for
me
so
I'll
I'll.
Take
them!
A
Oh,
very
good!
Thank
you
and
then
gerald.
If
you
have
I'm
I'll
say,
I've
got
a
couple
of
slack
messages
over
to
you.
There's
a
couple
items
to
catch
up
on
with
you.
If
you
have
a
few
minutes
other
than
that,
I'm
just
looking
back
over
the
yeah
there's
a
couple
items
that
I
had
to
chat
through,
but
we're
over
time
and
they're,
not
that
important.
A
One
of
those
items-
actually
it
might
be
that
it's
this
one
about
how
it
works
component,
that
I'll
just
mention
it
as
a
tease
or
as
a
a
bit
of
laying
down
of
the
gauntlet,
so
to
speak.
So
this
component
comes
from
this.
This
there
were
one
of
two
projects
that
hashicorp
announced
this
last
week
and
both
sites
are
fantastic.
A
But
what
is
maybe
more
immediately
useful.
Is
this
animation
here,
where
again,
instead
of
it
being
a
terminal
that
gets
stepped
through?
It's
a
visualization
that,
and
I
can't
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
things
I
think
that
we
could
visualize
in
this
type
of
a
manner,
and
I
guess
I
haven't
looked
to
see
if
this
is
an
svg.
A
It
looks
like
it
is.
That's
great
I'll
sign
up
for
work
to
create
the
svgs
and
the
steps
and
the
things
to
the
extent
that
there
was-
and
this
isn't
an
urgent
item
but
to
the
extent
that
someone
eventually
wanted
to
try
to
incorporate
this
component
into
the
site.
That
component
is
called
how
it
works
so
cool.
That's
what
that
last
item
was
about.
A
D
I
Yeah
so
recently
the
workshops
page
has
been
migrated
by
kishore
and
so
like
so
I'm
not
pretty
sure.
If,
like
we
did,
have
a
drop
down
and
all
such
stuff
in
the
workshops
page
so
like
are
we
going
to
have
individual
so
it
won't
be
visible.
I
guess
because
the
netlife
deploy
is
off
so
are
we
going
to
have
individual
workshops
pages
then
I
would
be
creating
issues
for
them
or,
like
I
think,
nikhil
and
thanos
can
answer.
H
A
A
For
my
part,
I
don't
know
that
that's
necessary,
like
the
the
intention
for
so
the
the
original
intention
for
this
workshops,
page
and
and
the
the
collection
of
workshops
that
are
within
it
is,
was
really
about
workshops
that
we
were
giving
at
different
events
at
other
events,
and
so,
but
we
did
want
to
tell
people
when
they
came
to
take
the
workshop
where
to
get
all
the
materials
we
would
just
say,
go
to
layer.
Five
io
workshops
you'll
see
your
workshop
materials
there.
A
A
I
A
A
A
I
think
I
don't
remember,
which
means
that
and
like
we're
gonna,
give
it
a
couple
more
times,
which
means
like
eventually
there's
gonna
be
10
or
12,
or
some
there's
going
to
be
too
many
of
these
instances
or
they'll
be
enough
that
it
will
bear
weight
on
the
approach,
like
so
yeah.
Think
about
that
it
can
be
okay,
that
we
have
a
set
of
tabs
that
people
have
to
scroll
to
get
to
the
end.
To
that
can
be
okay,
because
we
would
just
order
it
in
a
descending
fashion.
A
G
G
A
G
A
It
would
be
nice
to
be
able
to
show
the
fact
that
we've,
given
it
10
12,
you
know
20
times.
That
doesn't
mean
it
needs
its
own
dedicated
page.
It
just
would
be
nice
to
capture
that's
kind
of
what
josh
what
josh
was
discussing
and
discussing,
and
he
was
thinking
about
individual
tabs
within
the
bigger
card,
either
whether
they
were
on
the
left
hand,
side
or
vertical,
or
something
like
that
yeah.
It's
basically
the
same
training
that
we're
giving
multiple
sessions
of
you
know
this
month.
A
Next
month,
next
month,
some
of
the
tech,
the
text
more
or
less
stays
the
same.
The
high
level,
the
actual
labs,
start
to
change
a
little
bit,
mostly
the
link
to
the
lab
stays
the
same,
even
though
we're
changing
it.
It's
just
a
git
repo
that
changes
over
time
so,
like
the
reality,
is
we
kind
of
to
your,
like
we
kind
of
only
care
about
showing
the
fact
that
there
are
different
sessions,
capturing
all
of
the
details
and
save
persisting.
Those
for
each
session
is
not
really
that
important.