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A
Okay,
good
afternoon,
everybody
we're
just
ready
to
start.
So
I'm
going
to
give
a
little
bit
of
an
introduction
to
myself.
My
name
is
katie
dye,
I'm
counsellor
for
killing
beckham
c
croft,
and
I
am
the
newly
appointed
chair
of
seac.
A
So
as
such,
I've
got
a
lot
to
learn
and
I'm
hoping
that
those
people
who've
been
on
the
committee
for
longer
than
I
have
are
going
to
help
me
do
that
in
terms
of
my
credentials
in
chairing
this
committee
that
bit's
very
new,
but
in
terms
of
my
climate
credentials,
it's
something
I've
been
passionate
about
for
many
many
years,
and
those
of
you
who
know
me
will
know
that
it's
something
that
I've
been
working
on
for
a
long
long
time.
A
So
I
am
really
really
pleased
to
be
here
and
looking
forward
to
working
with
you.
All
we've
got
some
new
members
for
this
new
municipal
year.
So
I
welcome
new
members
to
the
committee
and
I
welcome
members
who've
been
around
for
a
while
I'd
like
to
thank
councillor
walsh.
A
For
the
work
that
the
that
seac
did
before
I
came
into
this
role,
I
know
that
the
work
that
has
been
done
is
hugely
important
in
terms
of
climate
change
and
sustainability
for
the
city.
So
thank
you
to
people
who've
been
doing
that
prior
to
my
arrival
and
I
hope
to
be
able
to
continue
with
that.
A
Just
before
we
go
on
to
introductions,
I
did
ask
helen
to
undertake
a
poll
of
views
on
on
future
formats
for
the
meeting.
So
thank
you
to
everybody
for
your
responses
and
what
we're
going
to
do
is
obviously
we're
meeting
in
person
here
today,
which
is
nice
to
do,
but
in
the
future
we're
going
to
do
a
mixture
of
remote
meetings
and
meetings
in
person.
Okay,
so
can
I
now
ask
members
to
introduce
themselves
we'll
go
from
the
left?
If
that's
okay,.
J
A
Thank
you
very
much,
and
can
I
remind
everybody
that
this
meeting
is
being
webcast
and
when
you've
finished
speaking,
can
you
please
make
sure
you
turn
your
microphones
off?
Thank
you.
Okay.
Let's
move
on
to
the
agenda
helen.
Are
you
going
to
pick
up
the
first
five
items?
Please.
K
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
thank
you.
So,
under
agenda
item
number
one,
there
are
no
appeals
against
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents.
Gender
item
two.
The
agenda
contains
no
exempt
information
agenda
item
three.
There
are
no
late
items
today.
A
gender
item,
four
is
declarations
of
interest,
so
could
ask
members
if
they
have
any
declarations
of
interest
to
make.
Could
you
do
so
at
this
point
please
so
there
are
on.
It
looks
like
thank
you
and
apologies
for
absence.
K
A
Thank
you,
okay.
So
now
we're
moving
on
to
item
six,
which
is
minutes
of
previous
meetings.
I
wasn't
present
at
either
of
those
meetings,
but
I
would
imagine
a
number
of
people
in
this
room
were
we've
got
two
meetings
to
look
at.
One
is
the
last
formal
meeting
which
was
held
on
the
10th
of
march
2021,
goodness
me,
so
I'm
assuming
that
you've
all
got
minutes
in
your
packs.
A
What
I'll
do
is
I'll
go
through
them
page
by
page,
if
you've
got
anything
you'd
like
to
raise
on
each
page,
please
do
so
so.
The
first
page
is
page
five
in
your
packs.
A
A
A
A
A
All
right
that
moves
us
now
on
to
our
open
forum,
so
for
new
members.
This
is
where
people
get
a
chance
to
come
and
address
us
with
any
comments,
they'd
like
to
make
or
questions
they
they
have
for
us,
and
today,
we've
got
tony
hermann
from
climate
action
leads
he's
going
to
give
us
an
update
on
the
development
of
the
community
hubs.
So
tony,
you
are
very
welcome.
O
Thank
you,
and
so
I'm
an
associate
together
for
peace
and
together
for
peace,
is
leading
on
the
climate
hubs.
Element
of
climate
action
leads.
I'm
aware
chair
that
you
invited
hub
members
to
come
and
I
apologize.
I
couldn't
find
any
anyone
who
was
able
to
come
at
short
notice,
so
you've
got
me.
I
will
attempt
to
give
a
quick
overview
of
climate
action
leads,
particularly
for
new
members
and
some
highlights
from
from
the
community
hubs.
O
Climate
action
leads
is
a
massively
ambitious
program.
We
aim
at
wide
engagement
throughout
leeds.
Our
overarching
objectives
are
to
reach
zero
carbon
nature
friendly
and
socially
just
leads
by
the
2030s.
O
Clearly
we
can't
do
this
alone.
We
are
a
2.5
million
five-year
program
funded
by
the
lottery,
but
in
terms
of
the
ambition,
that's
small
beer.
O
O
O
An
overall
city
movement,
building
ambition
and
people
involved
there
organize
program
assemblies
where
the
40-plus
people,
who
are
nearly
all
part-time
involved
in
delivering
the
program,
can
work
collectively
and
climate
assemblies
we've
had
one.
The
second
one
is
this
autumn,
which
is
open
to
the
public,
and
we
we
welcome
as
many
people
as
possible
they're
involved
in
developing
a
city
plan.
Your
predecessor,
chair,
launched
the
leeds
donut.
As
a
city
plan
is
based
on
donut
economics
for
sustainability.
O
Leeds
tidal,
which
some
of
you
members
may
know
have
contracted
with
four
lead
organizations
to
work
on
the
themes
of
energy,
food,
housing,
transport,
nature,
work
in
the
economy
and
youth
and
education,
and
also
with
racial
justice
network
to
work
on
climate
justice
and
they're
working
across
leeds
bringing
people
together.
O
Four
have
already
been
established
and
climate
action
seacroft
that
the
chair
was
very
heavily
involved
and
supportive
in
developing
eco-friendly
garfish,
our
future
beeston
and
ulti
2030,
which
was
already
in
existence.
We've
supported
them
becoming
more
democratic
and
open
to
the
community
and
and
with
with
the
financial
resources.
O
When
those
organizations
were
established,
it
took
about
a
year's
worth
of
development
work
they're
available.
We
have
resources
available
to
give
them
a
two
day
a
week,
support
worker
employed
locally
and
resources
to
run
activities
and
and
their
local
hub.
We're
now
nearing
the
end
of
the
development
before
further
areas.
O
In
all
woodley
little
london
army
and
horseforth,
you
may
spot
some
adverts
coming
out
in
the
next
week
for
hub
workers
in
those
areas
and
the
groups
there
are
at
the
final
stages
of
forming
their
their
organization,
their
structures
and
and
their
initial
plans.
O
So
a
few
quick
highlights
from
the
the
first
four
areas
that
have
been
working
for
best
part
of
the
year.
O
And
all
have
hub
workers
in
place
supporting
them.
Our
team
have
retreated
if
you
like,
to
a
kind
of
light,
touch,
support
working
to
support.
The
group
support
the
hub
worker,
that's
working
directly
for
the
group
and
support
the
local
employing
organizations
so
that
everybody
works
effectively
together.
O
Eco-Friendly
garfist
is
somewhat
of
an
umbrella
group
because
there
were
a
number
of
quite
small
local
groups
like
incredible,
edible,
garth
and
garf
of
hedgehogs
and
so
on.
So
we
we
help,
bring
them
together
and
add
some
more
people
currently
they're
looking
at
issues
around
food
waste
and
have
an
ambitious
program
of
community
composting.
O
They've
done
a
lot
of
work
around
retrofit
using
a
thermal
imaging
camera
provide
for
people
to
see
what
what,
where
they're,
losing
heat
from
houses,
competition
where
five
householders
have
won
and
get
professional
advice
to
retrofit
their
homes
and
quite
a
lot
of
community
growing.
O
O
So
our
future
beeston
has
regular
meetings.
They
have
drop-in
sessions,
weekly
energy
advice
sessions
this
weekend.
They
think
it's
this
weekend,
there's
beast
and
festival
and
there'll
be
massive
activity.
O
There
they've
worked
closely
with
people
in
the
local
authority
around
transforming
the
nature
of
vineyards
which,
as
members
will
know,
are
a
constant
source
of
problems
and
they
have
a
massive
membership
of
I'm
hesitating
to
quote
this
as
its
cast
because
I'll
get
it
wrong,
but
I
think
I
think
several
thousand
people
on
a
facebook
page
for
their
crap
group,
which
is
community
resources
and
they
organize
loans
for
equipment
that
people
can
use
for
borrowing
for
exchanging
and
for
recycling
ugly
2030
are
extremely
well
organized.
O
They
run
a
regular
food
bank
system
with
a
community
ladder.
They
are
just
developing
a
cargo
bike
delivery
scheme.
O
O
I
could
say
more,
but
I'm
aware
I've
only
got
five
minutes
and
climber
action.
Seecroft
is
also
doing
a
lot
around
around
nature
and
food,
developing
a
really
interesting
forest
garden
and
a
range
of
community
growing
schemes
and
have
worked
really
successfully
on
engaging
with
local
young
people
through
schools
in
other
ways
and
had
a
fantastic
open
forum
event
supported
by
chapel
fm,
not
that
long
ago,
and
I
think
I'll
probably
run
out
of
time.
O
A
Thank
you
tony.
I
really
appreciate
you
coming
at
some
such
short
notice
and
it's
great
to
hear.
What's
going
on
about
around
the
city,
you're,
absolutely
right
in
saying
that
I
am
involved
in
climate
action
seacroft
and
we're
really
excited
by
the
the
the
things
that
we've
done
in
such
a
short
time
and
and
where
we're
going
with
it.
So
thank
you
for
coming
and
talking
to
us.
It
would
be
great
when
we're
not
working
to
such
a
short
time
scale
to
hear
from
local
groups
as
well.
A
I
think
I
would
like
that.
I
don't
know
if
other
members
would
like
other
people
to
come
along
and
share
things
from
a
more
local
basis,
but
in
the
meantime,
yes,
if
anybody
would
like
to
contact
tony,
then
I'm
sure
he'd
be
happy
to
hear
from
you.
Thank
you
very.
A
Okay,
we
also
have
a
video,
don't
know
who's
going
to
share.
That
is
that.
P
Hello:
everyone-
my
name,
is
dr
emma
o'neil,
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
leeds
med
act,
a
network
of
health
professionals
using
our
voice
to
act
on
the
climate
and
ecological
emergency
in
the
interests
of
the
public's
health.
This
rapidly
escalating
alarm
in
the
health
profession
about
the
climate
and
ecological
emergency.
P
In
september
last
year,
over
200
health
journals
released,
a
joint
call
to
action,
warning
that
climate
change
and
loss
of
biodiversity
risk
catastrophic
harm
to
human
health.
That
will
be
impossible
to
reverse
and
the
who
has
called
climate
change,
the
single
biggest
threat
to
human
health
that
we
have
ever
faced.
P
We
have
numerous
points
and
questions
for
this
committee.
However,
today
we
will
raise
only
one
area:
a
reduction
in
air
pollution,
air
pollution
causes
at
least
40
000
deaths
in
the
uk
every
year,
and
it
accounts
for
an
estimated
one
in
three
cases
of
childhood
asthma.
It
also
affects
many
other
body
systems,
including
cognitive
development.
P
P
A
Thank
you
so
can
I
say
thank
you
to
leeds
med
act
for
sharing
that
with
us,
and
we
will
ensure
that
you
receive
a
response
from
transport
to
the
comments
that
you've
raised.
Thank
you.
L
Yes,
so
just
quickly
go
through
so
from
the
last
time
that
we
met,
we've
had
two
working
groups,
and
so
we
had
the
green
finance
working
group
which
met
on
monday,
and
it
was
quite
a
late
minute
meeting
just
because
a
new
consultation
had
come
out
related
to
green
finance.
We
thought
it
was
a
good
opportunity
for
us
to
comment.
L
There
were
about
39
questions
in
total,
but
we
just
focused
on
four
that
were
mainly
linked
to
local
authorities,
the
role
that
we
can
play
the
barriers
there
are
to
us
play
in
that
role,
how
we
can
support
smes
and
also
what
the
role
of
national
government
could
be
and
I'm
pleased
to
say.
We
submitted
a
response
yesterday
to
that
consultation
that
had
everyone's
input.
L
The
other
one
that's
gone
ahead
is
the
food
and
biodiversity
working
group.
So
in
that
one
we
looked
at
the
food
strategy,
that's
currently
under
development
that
will
go
to
executive
board
in
october.
So
we
looked
at
the
objectives
for
the
sustainability
working
group.
We
looked
at
some
of
the
contexts
and
the
case
studies,
but
then
we
also
looked
at
the
background
in
terms
of
the
national
food
strategy
and
kind
of
started
to
identify
where
we
thought
they
were
gap.
L
That's
ongoing
at
the
moment
in
the
city
and
also
looking
at
the
net
zero
housing
plan,
that's
due
to
go
to
exec
board,
and
then
the
group
that
has
been
sort
of
focused
on
behavior
change
will
be
looking
about
specific
sort
of
engagement
and
linked
to
climate
adaptation.
So
those
two
are
in
the
future,
as
opposed
to
have
happened.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
just
to
say
that
in
the
next
item
you'll
you'll
see
that
there
are
some
proposed
changes
to
the
working
groups
and
one
of
the
things
that
we're
going
to
ask
is
that
chairs
of
the
working
groups
will
be
the
people
who
are
going
to
be
feeding
back
to
future
meetings.
A
Okay,
so
that
kind
of
takes
us
on
to
item
eight,
which
is
the
forward
plan
polly's
going
to
introduce
that
and
as
with
all
documents
in
your
pack,
I
will
assume
that
you've
read
them
all.
Thank
you.
L
I
will
keep
it
very
short
and
sweet
to
allow
maximum
time
for
discussion,
but
just
I
suppose,
to
set
out
our
approach
to
this
we've
consulted
with
colleagues
across
the
council
to
look
at
what
they've
got
in
their
sort
of
forward
work
plan,
especially
where
we
think
the
link
to
climate
is
really
strong.
So
things
like
waste
planning,
transport
economy
and
what
we've
tried
to
do
is
kind
of
mirror
those
reports
through,
but
in
a
in
a
way
that
we
can
actually
input
before
they
get
to
a
final
version.
L
L
Four
we've
just
listed
out
the
kind
of
different
strands
to
climate
mitigation
and
climate
adaptation
from
sort
of
the
national
programme,
and
then
we've
tried
in
our
work
program
in
the
appendix
we've
tried
to
document
which
reports
deal
with
which
issues
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
we're
kind
of
doing
quite
a
round
review
during
the
year
and
that
every
area
of
that
is
being
looked
at.
And
then
obviously
there
are
the
the
four
changes.
The
changes
to
the
working
group,
so
they're
all
listed
again
in
0.6.
So
I
don't
think.
D
Thanks
joe,
I
just
had
a
couple
of
questions
in
terms
of
mostly
for
clarity,
just
looking
at
the
embedded
carbon
item
that
scheduled,
I
notice
it
says
the
transport
is
one
of
the
themes.
That's
coming
through
we'll
be
dealing
with
buildings
as
well
in
that
or
we're
expecting
that
that
might
come
up
in
today's
discussion
about
the
the
local
update
and
the
second
one
I
had
was
around
travel
planning.
I
noticed
it
says
corporate
travel
plan.
Can
I
just
clarify?
D
L
So
I
think
the
item
that
it's
coming
on
embedded
carbon
is
specifically
around
transport
and
that's
because
they're
doing
some
work,
that's
a
bit
more.
I
suppose
further
ahead
than
other
departments,
they're
almost
looking
to
see
what
they're
doing-
and
I
suppose
that
could
be
one
of
the
outcomes.
We
start
to
look
at
how
else
that
can
be
rolled
out
across
the
council,
I'm
just
going
to
defer
to
harriet
rather
than
second
guess
in
terms
of
the
travel
plan.
To
make
sure
I
give
the
right
answer.
A
Thank
you,
yep.
C
Yeah,
forgive
me
chairs
as
a
new
kid
on
the
block.
I
suppose
I
should
keep
my
own
counsel,
but
it's
never
a
skill
that
I've
been
able
to
develop.
I
appreciate
that
the
the
work
plan,
the
work
program
concentrates
on
a
number
of
important
components
that
make
up
our
response
to
response
to
climate
emergency.
C
But
could
I
ask
because
obviously
I
have
no
background
in
serving
on
this
particular
committee.
How
far
have
we
looked
at
growth
in
its
broadest
sense
and
the
reason
I
raised
this
is
for
40
years
as
a
member
of
this
council
well
not
or
wholly
a
member
of
this
council.
I
had
a
sabbatical
down
at
westminster
for
a
few
years.
C
C
But
I
suppose
the
nub
of
my
question
is:
how
far
do
we
take
this
panoramic
view
of
what
we
see
in
the
future,
being
the
most
effective
way
of
moving
forward?
I'll
give
an
example:
we
welcome
with
open
arms,
new
businesses
to
the
city
for
obvious
reasons
they
provide
jobs,
etc,
but
what
we
invariably
find
ourselves
doing
is
that
we
don't
staff
those
companies
with
local
people
because
they
don't
have
the
skills.
C
So
we
finish
up
importing
and
I
don't
mean
that,
as
a
pejorative
term,
lots
more
people
into
the
city-
and
these
are
people
who
have
to
be
housed,
fed
watered
their
waste,
has
to
be
disposed
of.
They
have
to
be
transported
and
we
have
to
have
all
the
extra
infrastructure,
and
I'm
just
wondering
whether-
or
perhaps
I
don't
perhaps
have
been
too
too
abstruse
and
generally
can
be.
C
L
L
But
I
also
think
in
the
economic
and
finance
working
group
and
we
we've
included
jobs
and
skills
as
part
of
that
remit,
because
I
think
we
all
recognize
you
know
we
do
have
a
skills
gap,
especially
around
sort
of
green
jobs,
and
we
need
to
work
out
how
we
can
play
a
stronger
role
in
that,
and
I
suppose
the
last
one
and
we've
got
martin
here
is
really
sort
of
planning
and
how
you
know
if
we
do
have
growth
of
housing.
How
do
we
make
sure
it's
the
right
grace?
L
How
do
we
make
sure,
like
our
local
plan,
that
we're
also
bringing
today
make
sure
that
when
we
do
put
new
houses
in
that
they're
not
causing
a
negative
impact?
So
there's
a
number
of
places
it's
picked
up?
I
don't
think
we've
ever
had
a
session
just
dedicated
to
that,
but
we've
certainly
had
discussions
around
sort
of
donut
economics
and
elements
like
that,
and
members
of
this
group
previously
were
invited,
I
think,
to
the
wider
donut
economic
session
economic
development
run.
J
Well,
just
coming
back
on
council
trustworld's
point
he's
he's
made
his
point
with
his
usual
learned
ability,
and
he
reminded
us
that
he's
been
one
way
or
another
either
on
this
council
or
been
back
to
this
council
for
40
years.
But
the
thing
about
growth
compared
to
40
years
ago,
surely,
is
that
40
years
ago
we
had
10
million
fewer
people
in
the
united
kingdom
and
that's
a
fact,
and
unless
we
have
growth,
economic
growth,
we'll
all
get
poorer
and
in
a
way
we're
a
little
bit
like
hamsters
on
the
wheel.
J
And
so
obviously
all
growth
needs
to
be
within
the
confines
of
the
law,
but
we
have
to
have
private
sector
growth.
There's
no
point
employing
another
million
civil
servants
because
that's
not
growth,
that's
a
cost,
so
we
need
growth.
We
need
private
sector
growth
to
be
as
green
as
possible,
but
we
need
it.
C
C
I
won't
get
into
the
discussion
about
how
we
share
the
cake
out
more
equally
more
equitably,
because
we
do
know
that
the
people
who
reap
the
strongest
whirlwind
from
whether
it's
its
health
inequalities
or
economic
inequalities
or
environmental
inequalities
of
those
at
the
very
bottom
end
of
society-
and
you
know,
growth
of
the
type
that
you
described.
Neil
has
not
served
their
purposes
very
well
and
there's
evidence
all
around
us
in
this
city
in
this
country
and
this
planet.
A
Thank
you,
councillor
carlill.
D
I
was
just
gonna
come
in
briefly,
and
I
can't
find
the
exact
figure
I
was
trying
to
do
so.
I'm
hoping
polly's
able
to
help
me
out
with
something
we
could
circulate,
because
the
time
we
had
this
discussion
was
when
we
got
the
figures
back
from
the
big
leagues
climate
conversation
and
and
the
conversations
that
had
happened
with
residents
of
the
city.
D
It
was
quite
clear
in
that
and
I
can't
remember
the
exact
question
we
asked
and
I'm
struggling
to
find
the
response,
but
maybe
it's
something
officers
will
be
able
to
have
a
look
at
later,
but
it
was
quite
clear
in
that
that
residents
wanted
us
to
look
at
responsible,
good
growth,
but
the
majority
of
respondents
that
came
back
to
that
wanted
us
to
have
the
underlying
view
of
the
climate
and
the
health
of
the
planet
as
ahead
of
and
the
health
of
themselves
as
individuals,
their
jobs
and
their
prospects
in
the
city
ahead
of
growth
at
all
costs.
D
D
Therefore
here,
as
as
I
feel
to
to
lead
towards
and
to
make
sure
the
growth
we
get
is
good
growth
and
not,
as
you
say,
bad
growth,
which
can
be
for
a
number
of
reasons,
the
climate
for
the
the
economic
abilities
and
opportunities
for
residents
who
are
in
this
city
here
today,
regardless
the
ones
that
may
move
in,
and
that's
certainly
something
that
I
thought
came
loud
and
clear
in
that
big
league
climate
conversation
and
therefore
the
view
you've
put
across.
I
think
is
my
view.
D
A
Thank
you
is
that
something
you
wanted
to
respond
to
polly.
I
know
there's
a
bit
of
a
question
in
there.
L
N
Yes
quickly
looked
up,
the
big
leads
climate
conversation
report
and,
and
we
asked
basic
of
those
who
responded.
We
asked
them
whether
tackling
climate
change
is
more
less
or
equally
important,
as
maintaining
current
levels
of
economic
growth
and
in
the
report
it
says
that
more
than
three
quarters
of
residents
and
survivors
slightly
more,
which
is
fourteen
point,
seven
percent
or
much
more,
which
was
sixty
three
point.
Five
percent.
So
I
think
that's
where
you
were
we're
referring
to
council
color.
A
Thank
you,
councillor,
tudor.
E
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
come
back
to
the
donut
economics.
Some
people
in
the
room
may
be
very
familiar.
Some
people
maybe
moderately
feel
familiar
or
some
perhaps
not
not
at
all.
It's
such
an
interesting
amazing
diagram.
E
It
in
one
way
of
putting
you
to
my
mind,
would
be
that
it's
the
it's.
The
ultimate
scrutiny
board
covering
all
sect,
all
sectors
of
our
world,
with
a
social,
the
sweet
space
for
humanity
between
the
social
foundation
and
the
ecological
ceiling
and.
E
Perhaps
a
short
presentation
on
another
occasion
from
from
somebody
on
the
on
the
what
leeds
is
doing
with
the
donut
economics
might
might
be
sort
of
instructive
for
us.
A
L
So
we
invited
members
of
this
group,
but
we
didn't
do
it
directly
as
part
of
this
group.
We
could
maybe
do
it
through
the
working
groups.
The
economic
economy
and
finance
working
group
do
something
in
there
and
get
somebody
to
come
and
talk
to
us
about
donut
economic
model.
F
Yes,
just
in
terms
of
the
working
groups,
this
is
a
really
logistical
question
and
I
apologize
if
I've
missed
something
that's
been
sent
through.
I
have
been
on
holiday
and
I'm
still
catching
up
the
composition
of
the
working
groups.
F
Previously
it
was
really
anyone
could
join
anything
they
felt
like.
Is
that
going
to
be
still
the
case
or
and
how
much?
I
suppose
the
chairs
will
be
reporting
back
yes,
but
is
there
an
expectation
from
the
working
groups
that
there
will
be
work
that
comes
out
of
them,
because
I
think
particularly
for
new
members,
it
would
be
useful
to
know
what
they
might
be
taking
on.
L
So
there's
a
really
clear
context
and
I
would
say
a
lot
of
the
work
afterwards
happens
from
officers,
and
so
we
try
and
do
as
much
as
possible
so
that
it's
more
about
the
input
during
the
meeting,
I
suppose
with
the
finance
group
members
after
that
meeting
then
did
read
through
what
was
documented
and
made
comments
on
it.
So
it's
that
level,
but
I
wouldn't
say
it
was
overly
onerous
and
it's
just
an
opportunity
to
get
kind
of
more
in-depth
understanding
of
some
of
the
areas.
L
So
I
think
the
intention
was
after
we'd
had
today's
meeting
was
to
write
out
with
the
various
different
terms
of
references,
and
so
people
know
you
know
which
ones
they're
most
interested
in
and
then
kind
of
re-establish
the
groups
with
the
chairs
that
have
already
been
named,
but
that
goes
out
to
all
99
members
as
well.
Not
even
just
those
on
the
committee
to
get
as
wide
representation.
F
Something
else
I
could
have
asked
as
well.
I
used
to
attend
the
leeds
climate
commission,
engagement
and
communication
group,
which
I
then
stopped,
because
I
wasn't
on
the
communication
working
group,
but
I
can
see
a
lot
of
potential
overlap
between
the
remit
and
I
wondered
how
much
liaison
there
is
between
those
particular
groups.
L
So
I'm
on
the
leeds
climate,
commission
and
also
the
yorkshire
and
humber
climate
commission,
so
I
kind
of
have
oversight
of
all
of
those
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
we
don't
duplicate
and
if
things
are
happening
in
other
areas,
we
bring
them
forward
and
there's
different
people
within
the
team
on
some
of
the
working
groups
of
the
climate
commission
and
things.
So
again
we
just
try
and
make
sure
we've
got
the
right
people
providing
that
crossover
and
so
I'm
fairly
confident
what
we
do
kind
of
improves
the
wider
offer
and
there
isn't
duplication.
A
Thank
you
any
more
questions
or
comments
on
this
item
so
before
I
bring
it
to
a
close
just
a
couple
of
things
from
me.
A
The
first
one
was
to
refer
to
the
october
meeting,
which
is
specifically
for
a
consultation
on
the
local
plan
which
we're
going
to
hear
about
later
today
and
then
also
to
say
that
we're
going
to
invite
a
director
to
each
of
the
future
meetings
and
at
those
meetings,
we're
then
going
to
be
able
to
ask
questions
of
what's
happening
in
their
directorate
regarding
addressing
climate
change,
so
that'll
be
a
rolling
program
throughout
the
year.
A
Okay
right
in
that
case,
let's
move
on
so
we're
moving
to
item
nine
and
is
chad
going
to
present
that
or
polly.
N
Thank
you
chair,
I'm
just
sharing
my
screen
earlier
in
the
year
before
the
in
the
last
municipal
year,
members
of
the
committee
will
have
heard
presentations
on
climate
adaptation.
N
At
that
point,
we
were
basically
setting
out
the
kind
of
program
of
work
ahead,
and
so
the
report
that
members
have
received
today
is
an
update
on
that
work,
and
I
can
just
provide
a
kind
of
a
presentation
overview
potentially
for
anyone
watching
at
home
and
just
a
recap
of
some
of
those
points
before
we
start
the
discussion.
N
So
the
first
thing
about
the
report,
kind
of
explains
and
the
most
important
bit
of
context,
is
kind
of
what
we
mean
when
we're
talking
about
climate
adaptation.
So
we're
talking
about
any
action
that
minimizes
the
impact
of
current
levels
expected
levels
and
the
potential
levels
of
climate
change.
We're
not
starting
from
scratch.
On
this
piece
of
work
and
the
committee
on
climate
change
and
the
uk
government
have
published
two
key
reports
which
outlines
what
the
risks
are
to
the
uk
at
a
national
level
in
detail.
N
The
graphic
you
can
see,
which
was
also
included
in
the
report,
is
just
a
a
brief
summary
from
the
met
office
of
some
of
the
impacts
that
you
know.
Uk
cities
will
experience
of
climate
change
in
the
future
and
going
forward
and
for
ease
of
engagement.
N
N
So,
there's
a
risks
from
extreme
and
prolonged
heat,
there's
a
risk
of
flooding,
there's
a
risk
of
future
drought
or
water
supply
disruption
and
then
finally,
there's
cascading
impacts
and
how
that
might
affect
the
city
so
where
other
parts
of
the
world
or
the
country
experience
climate
hazards
that
can
have
knock-on
impacts
for
leads,
and
in
the
report
we've
referred
to
it
as
economic
impacts,
because
quite
a
lot
of
those
effects
would
be
reflected
in
the
in
an
economic
perspective
such
as
pictured.
N
You
know
a
supply
chain
disruption
in
talking
of
the
the
general
aims
of
adaptation
we
can
well,
I
should
actually
explain
any
risk
is
a
combination
of
three
factors
which
is
a
hazard,
exposure
and
vulnerability,
and
it's
the
intersection
of
those
three
factors
that
that
creates
risk,
and
so
how
you
respond
to
those
and
how
you
alleviate.
Those
is
the
approach
that
you
would
take
in
terms
of
adaptation.
N
So
there
are
four
broad
aims
which
we
kind
of
highlighted
in
in
the
report,
so
you
can
prevent
some
incident
some
hazards
from
occurring,
so
a
good
example
of
that
would
be.
For
example,
you
know
upstream
upstream
actions
a
catchment-based
approach
in
terms
of
reducing
flooding.
Sometimes
you
can
protect.
You
know,
specificity
from
you
know,
a
flood
is
a
good
example.
You
know:
we've.
The
flood
alleviation
scheme
has
a
range
of
kind
of
engineered
and
natural
flood
protections
in
place.
N
N
This
isn't
meant
to
be
a
hierarchy,
because
we
don't
know
you
know
for
different
risks.
N
It
will
be
a
different
balance,
but
what
we're
saying
is
we
need
to
look
into
the
future
and
try
and
consider
the
costs
and
the
benefits
of
different
approaches
and
for
all
the
risks
and
how
they
would
affect
leads
and
there's
a
really
nice
graphic,
which
you
can
see
pictured,
which
the
committee
and
climate
changes
has
has
created,
which
is
their
10
principles
of
climate
adaptation,
one
that
I'd
like
to
point
out
in
particular
is
number
three
which
is,
and
we
should
adapt
to
two
degrees
of
global
warming.
N
Even
if
that
isn't
what
you
know,
the
the
uk
government
or
and
many
members
of
this
panel,
I'm
sure
would
want
to
see-
and
certainly
we
wouldn't
want
to
see
the
risk
of
four
degrees
of
global
warming.
But
the
committing
climate
change
recommend
that
we
do
at
least
assess
the
risks
of
that
you
know,
so
we
can
factor
into
decision
making
going
forward.
N
The
report
has
the
following
record
recommendations,
so
I
won't
dwell
on
on
this
slide,
but
the
following
slides
justified
a
brief
summary.
So
there
is
already
significant
work
across
the
council
taking
place
and
even
if
it
hasn't
been
considered
in
the
round
in
terms
of
climate
adaptation,
so,
for
example,
the
the
proposed
updates
to
the
local
plan,
the
flood
risk
management
strategy
and
the
work
that
public
health
do
with
their
heatwave
plan.
N
All
is
very,
very
closely
linked
to
climate
adaptation.
In
some
way.
We
also
have
robust
arrangements
in
place
in
terms
of
responding
to
responding
to
severe
weather
events
and
every
time
we
do
so,
we
learn
from
what
has
happened
and
use
that
to
inform
the
the
plan
going
forward.
So
this
you
know
just
to
shout
out
the
work
of
the
resilience
and
emergencies
team,
public
health
and
how
that
feeds
into
the
west
yorkshire,
local
resilience
forum,
which
plays
a
key
role
in
any
kind
of
disaster
response.
N
N
So
in
code
we,
you
know,
we
successfully
managed
supply
chain
disruptions,
for
example,
and
going
forward,
resilience
has
been
highlighted
by
economic
development
as
a
key
aim
of
the
leeds
economic
recovery
framework
and
they
identified
climate
resilience
as
one
part
of
that
and
going
forward
there's
already
several
key
policies
in
development,
but
there
are,
there
is
more
that
we
can
do,
and
there
is
more
that
we
want
to
do
to
understand
any
gaps
and
opportunities
taking
that
there
might
be
for
for
the
campus
and
for
the
city,
which
is
why,
over
the
next
12
months,
we
plan
to
work
with
services
to
do
a
service-led
climate
risk
assessment.
N
N
And,
secondly,
is
there
anything
yet
more
that
their
service
can
be
doing
to
help
prevent
and
protect
against
some
of
these
some
of
these
hazards,
so
sustainable
energy
and
air
quality
team,
with
the
support
of
frederick's
management,
we'll
coordinate
this
work
and
support
it
and
we'll
also
be
supported
by
academic
partners
and
and
we'll
be
working
with
the
yorkshire
and
humber
climate
commission.
N
So
the
report
also
mentions
that
a
task
and
finish
group
has
been
established
at
the
yorkshire,
humber
and
climate
commission
level,
which
will
enable
sharing
of
insight,
skills
tools
and
lesson
learned
across
the
region's
authorities,
and
that
will
be
led
by
the
environment
agency
and
and
lcc
representatives
of
on
the
yorkshire
humber,
climate
commission.
N
And
fourthly,
we
also
know
that
engagement
is
going
to
be
really
important
going
forward
and
we
have
done
engagement
on
in
terms
of
the
climate
change
response
in
the
past
and
cancer
carlill's
already
mentioned,
the
big
leads
climate
conversation
that
took
place
in
2019,
but
we
want
to
refresh
that-
and
I
guess
touch
base
with
the
city
once
again,
and
so
after
we've
so
later
this
year,
we
want
to
publish
an
online
climate
action
plan
which
brings
together
and
summarizes
the
council's
plans
across
all
aspects
of
mitigation
and
adaptation
in
an
accessible
way,
and
then
we'll
use
that
as
an
opportunity
to
engage
with
individuals,
communities
and
organizations
across
leads
and
prompt
the
city
to
have
it
say
on
our
plans
so
that
we're
getting
an
update
in
terms
of
what
the
city
think,
which
I
know
members
have
commented
in
previous
meetings
as
really
really
important.
N
The
final
thing
I
want
to
say
before
I
close
the
the
presentation
is
that
there
are
really
clear
links
between
the
climate
adaptation
work
and
the
best
city
ambition.
N
You
know
a
healthier
population
where
there
is
less
poverty
will,
you
know,
be
more
resilient
to
climate
hazards,
but
equally
the
efforts
and
the
actions
that
we
do
to
to
adapt
and
improve
resilience
will
themselves
improve
the
health
and
well-being
of
the
city
and
support
inclusive
economic
growth.
So
those
two
points
will
feed
into
each
other
and
I
hope
you
can
see
how
adaptation
really
fits
into
what
the
city
and
the
team
leads
approach
is
trying
to
achieve
I'll
end
it
there.
Thank
you.
A
I
I
I
I
I
We'd
be
talking
about
that
and
we've
had
some
serious
problems
there
that
caused
both
difficulties
to
residents,
but
also
economic
difficulties
when,
when
roads
get
flooded,
so
I'd
like
to
see
a
bit
more
of
that
and
then
let
us
see
a
bit
more,
actually
a
bit
more
stinging
detail
about
it
and
about
the
fact
that
the
environment
agency
ain't
always
doing
what
it's
what
it
could
do.
L
J
Thank
you,
chair
and
just
talking
about
outside
agencies.
I
don't
know
whether
you
remember,
but
we
had
somebody
from
yorkshire,
water
who
attended
a
meeting.
It
was
on
an
online
meeting
and
he
made
a
presentation
along
the
lines
of
how
good
it
was
that
yorkshire,
water
were
corporate
partners
of
the
city
and
did
everything
right
and
a
lot
of
what
he
said
was
perfectly
valid.
J
And
the
question
was
that,
within
a
mile
diameter
of
where
I
live,
yorkshire,
water
have
sold
off
two
woods,
if
not
three
yeah
two,
if
not
three,
and
the
only
reason
for
selling
them
off-
has
been
to
sell
them
to
somebody
who
wanted
a
speculative
punt
on
whether
he
could
get
planning
permission
to
build
a
house.
J
A
L
A
D
Thanks
chad,
I
mean
I
was
just
going
to
touch
on
some
of
the
next
points
of
this
report,
because
I
think
there's,
if
everything's
right,
we're
heading
for
at
the
moment,
unless
anything
else
is
agreed,
something
around
a
two-degree
warmed
world,
which
means
some
of
the
things
that
are
in
here
as
risks.
Possibly
definites
should
we
say
not
not
possibles
and
we're
already
seeing
some
problems.
D
David
highlighted
some
of
those
issues,
but
I
mean
it's
not
not
well,
it's
quite
a
few
years,
since
the
stunningly
bypass,
for
instance,
got
warped
due
to
the
heat
and
we'd,
never
imagined
that
it
would
get
to
30
degrees,
and
it
suddenly
had
speed
bumps
that
weren't
supposed
to
be
there
on
a
60
mile,
an
hour
road.
So
these
problems
already
happening.
So
some
of
these
issues
that
could
occur
in
today's
a
good
day
to
talk
about
extreme
heat
and
some
of
these
issues
are
ones
that
could
occur
within
the
next
decade.
D
Some
are
ones
that
will
occur
in
100
years.
So
I
wondered
how
we're
going
to
face
that
task,
because
the
heating
of
things
like
our
streets
and
I
walked
today
down
to
the
bus
stop
and
it
was
an
extremely
hot
walk
and
I
was
thinking
well.
I
couldn't
cope
in
much
hotter
than
this.
I
then
stood
in
a
glass
bus,
shelter
which
effectively
became
a
greenhouse
thinking.
Oh
well,
this
is
going
to
be
a
problem,
isn't
it
and
if
anyone
wants
any
more
impetus,
my
shirts
get
more
ridiculous.
D
The
hotter
it
is
so
if
this
is
a
22
degree
shirt,
then
let's,
let's
see
what
happens
in
two
or
three
more
degrees
time
and
and
I
have
to
start
buying
some
really
ridiculous
ones.
But
some
of
these
things
are
things
we
know
are
going
to
happen
now
and
we
could
make
changes.
So,
in
terms
of
you
know,
things
like
the
bus
stops,
that's
something
that
we
could
start
rolling
out.
D
So
how
can
we
make
sure
that
the
plan
for
this
identifies
those
most
short-term
risks
first
and
that
we
work
on
some
of
the
smaller
actions
that
might
make
a
difference
over
that
time
and
then
allows
us?
As
you
say,
we
we
must
look
at
the
risk
of
a
four-degree
world,
because
we
don't
know
council
buckley
will
take
us
to
china
or
venezuela
or
somewhere
later
on,
where
their
record
may
not
be
as
good
as
ours.
So
we
do
have
to
have
that
view
that
not
everyone
might
get
to
the
same
conclusion.
D
N
Thanks
councillor,
so
I
think
one
of
the
pieces
of
work
that
we
mentioned
is
working
with
academic
partners.
One
of
the
aims
of
that
is,
to
you
know,
for
lack
of
a
better
term
translate
some
of
the
models.
There
are
loads
of
climate
models,
which
can
kind
of
explain
how
the
climate
will
be
changing.
You
know,
and
then
you
can
apply
that
to
leads
in
the
you
know
in
the
next
10
years,
20
years
and
30
years,
they're
quite
complicated
to
understand
and
if
you
know
to
the
average
layperson.
N
So
one
of
the
the
pieces
of
work
that
we
want
to
work
with
the
academic
partners
on
is
translating
that
into
something
that
we
can
bring
to
those
workshops.
You
know
which
we
can
have
with
highways,
for
example,
and
we
will
have
with
highways
so
that
they
can
then
take
that
in,
and
we
recognize
that
you
know
highways
are
the
expert
of
highways
and
and
what
the
effects
of
heat
will
be
on
on
highways.
You
know
in
a
different
and
parks
with
the
experts
on
okay.
N
What
will
you
know
the
the
the
changes
in
in
temperature?
The
next
10
years
mean
on
you
know,
shrubs,
for
instance,
that
in
their
parks.
So
this
is
why
you
know
we
believe
it's
really
key,
that
has
to
be
a
service
led,
but
what
we
can
do
to
support
that
is
to
yeah
to
set
out
okay.
N
What
will
the
changes
be
in
the
next
five
years,
ten
years
and
do
that
in
a
way
where
you
know
it's
easy
for
them
to
understand
and
and
run
scenarios
and
then
consider
you
know
potentially
how
they
can
add
that
to
their
risk
registers
and
how
they
can
use
it
to
in
inform
and
influence
their
own
policy.
So
I
hope,
answers
your
question.
A
Okay,
counselor
anderson.
B
Now
there
is
a
planning
application
came
forward
in
one
of
our
awards
and
they
were
going
to
put
in
air
conditioning
rather
than
because
they
were
going
to
keep
the
windows
closed
permanently
closed.
B
M
M
But
the
starting
point
for
considering
planning
applications
must
always
be
the
development
plan
and
at
the
moment,
our
policies
in
the
development
plan
don't
go
as
far
as
we'd
like
them
to
and
they're
catching
up
with
the
declared
climate
emergency.
And
that's
what
I'm
going
to
talk
about
next
in
in
in
in
the
next
agenda
item,
in
terms
of
how
those
policies
are
shaping
up.
So
until
those
policies
have
been
written
up
and
and
published,
we
can't
depend
on
them.
B
M
It
could
certainly
be
something
that
would
be
reflected
in
the
report
in
terms
of
any
negotiation.
That's
gone
on
counsellor
and
I'll
feedback
to
jonathan
carr
and
david
feeney
on
that
basis,
but
the
strength
that
the
council
would
have
in
terms
of
defending
a
refusal
of
planning,
application
and
appeal
would
be
pretty
minimal,
given
that
it
wasn't
basing
that
decision
on
a
policy
within
a
a
plan.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
answering
that
one
martin
we'll
come
back
to
you
in
a
very
short
time,
but
we
need
to
agree
the
recommendations
first,
so
assuming
everybody
has
sites
of
the
recommendations
recommendation
a
are.
We
happy
to
agree
that.
A
A
M
Yeah
thanks
councillor
dial,
just
share
the
presentation.
M
Okay,
thank
you.
So
it's
been
really
interesting
to
to
hear
the
conversation
so
far,
because
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
what's
been
talked
about
already
today
relates
to
the
policies
that
we're
seeking
to
bring
through
the
local
plan
and
just
for
those
members.
That
might
not
be
aware.
The
local
plan
is
our
statutory
plan
for
leeds
which
influences
new
development
within
the
city.
M
It
has
a
statutory
legal
basis
so,
therefore,
that
the
policies
within
it
there
developers
are
obliged
to
to
start
with
those
policies
when
they
submit
development
for
planning
permission.
M
So
it
can
be
quite
a
powerful
tool
in
terms
of
steering
the
sorts
of
development
that
we
want
to
see
into
the
future
the
sorts
of
sustainable,
good
growth
that
that
council
trustwell
talked
about
earlier
when
he
was
talking
about
growth
within
the
city
and
the
levers
that
that
planning
can
bring
in
terms
of
dealing
with
those
there's,
there's
five
topics,
and
hopefully
you've
had
a
chance
to
have
a
look
at
the
paper
and
see
that
there's
five
broad
areas.
So
that's
around
carbon
reduction,
that's
around
green
infrastructure
and
blue
infrastructure.
M
It's
around
place,
making
sustainable
infrastructure
and
flood
risk,
and
we
took
those
five
topics
out
for
public
consultation
late
summer
last
year
and
we
had
around
800
detailed
responses
to
that.
And
the
good
news
was
that
the
vast
majority
of
those
responses
were
highly
supportive
to
what
the
council
were
proposing
to
achieve
and
the
broad
direction
of
travel
for
those
policies.
M
Earlier
this
year,
we
we
re-clarified
the
the
scope
of
the
plan
on
the
basis
of
comments
received,
which
involves
just
tweaking
some
of
the
some
of
the
broad
topics,
but
essentially
keeping
that
as
a
collective
of
topics-
and
I
should
say
that
was
about
not
only
looking
at
carbon
mitigation
in
terms
of
measures
to
reduce
carbon
within
the
city,
not
only
looking
at
carbon
climate
change
adaptation
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
resilience
that
the
city
has
to
that,
but
also
taking
into
account
the
some
of
the
messages
we
were
getting
through
about
the
pandemic
and
how
communities
were
responding
to
that,
but
also
dealing
with
the
nature
conservation
crisis
and
the
biodiversity
crisis,
and
also
fundamentally,
the
the
health
and
well-being
agenda.
M
So
in.
In
so
doing.
The
local
plan,
update
scope
was
was
really
meeting
the
sort
of
the
three
council
pillars
quite
quite
square
on
since
that
consultation,
there's
been
evidence
gathering
and
what's
called
a
sustainability
assessment,
because
the
plan
is
a
legal
document.
It
needs
an
awful
lot
of
preparation
behind
it
because
it
will
be
tested
independently
and
scrutinized
by
an
independent
examiner.
M
So
we
need
to
make
sure
that
the
policies
that
we're
putting
forward
I've
got
a
real
evidence
base
behind
them
and
can
be
defended
at
such
an
inquiry
and
we're
in
the
stage
now
of
nearly
reaching
the
end
of
policy
drafting
and
those
draft
policies
are
actually
going
to
go
to
a
workshop
of
development
plan
panel,
who
have
thus
far
helped
to
steer
the
local
plan
update
in
the
middle
of
july.
So
what
I'll
do
today
is
I'll.
M
Just
give
you
some
headlines
around
that
because
we
we
we
don't
have
all
of
that
that
fully
drafted
for
you
and
then
I'll.
Take
questions
so
just
quickly
going
through
the
topics
you'll
see
at
the
back
of
the
paper
that
I
am
set
out
in
bullet
form.
Some
of
the
main
issues
that
are
arising
from
these
topics,
but
but
topic
one's
around
carbon
reduction.
M
I
suppose
the
this
is
looking
at
a
fairly
radical
rewrite
of
of
the
policies
that
we've
got
in
the
plan
already,
because
we've
already
got
a
policy
that
seeks
development
to
go
beyond
where
building
regulations
takes
it
in
terms
of
its
carbon
efficiency,
but
we're
introducing
a
policy
around
whole
life
cycle,
carbon
emissions.
M
So
that's
looking
at
the
building
and
development
right
from
the
materials
that
are
used,
whether
an
existing
building
is
to
be
demolished
or
not
right,
the
way
through
to
the
use
and
and
afterlife
of
of
that
building,
to
encourage
developers
to
start
to
understand
those
concepts.
M
This
won't
be
a
policy
that
we
expect
will
determine
a
grant
or
a
refusal
of
planning
permission
because
there's
some
parts
of
the
whole
life
cycle,
carbon
emissions
calculations
that
simply
can't
be
met
yet
in
terms
of
substituting
other
materials
for
concrete,
for
example,
and
sustainable,
concrete
those
sorts
of
materials-
don't
exist
in
the
quantity
that
we
need
them
to
in
order
to
ensure
that
they
can
support
development
consistently
within
leeds.
But
what
this
requirement
to
do
and
assessment
does
is,
it
starts
to
build
up
an
evidence
base
for
the
city.
M
M
The
the
government's
future
homes
standard,
which
is
due
to
come
out
in
2025,
really
does
take
us
a
lot
further
towards
zero
carbon,
but
does
so
on
the
basis
of
a
decarbonized
electricity
grid.
M
Whereas
I
think
what
the
council
is
trying
to
do
through
this
policy
is
is
couple
that
with
a
fabric-first
approach,
so
that
in
five
ten
twenty
years
time,
the
fabric
of
the
building
is
is
really
the
best
it
can
be
to
to
withstand
other
potential
energy
generation
technologies
that
that
can
go
into
that
building
and
also,
fundamentally,
that
reduces
the
the
cost
of
heating
properties
which,
which
is
a
significant
cost.
Now,
especially
in
the
the
cost
of
living
crisis.
M
That
looks
at
things
like
materials
and
water
use
of
the
building,
we're
also
looking
at
locations
for
renewable
energy,
where
we
can
encourage
and
where
the
council
can
be
positive
about
wind
turbine
locations
and
solar
farm
locations
within
the
within
parts
of
leeds,
taking
into
account
headline
constraints
such
as
landscape,
nature,
conservation,
proximity
to
susceptible
uses,
bird
flight,
for
example,
and
also
looking
at
policies
to
be
more
encouraging
of
energy
storage
within
developments,
because
that's
going
to
be
a
key
factor
as
we
move
to
away
from
fossil
fuels
into
decarbonized
electricity.
M
The
second
topic
it
tries
to
bring
a
lot
of
this
together
around,
what's
called
place,
making
conscious
that
the
english
housing
survey
a
couple
of
years
ago
now
was
pretty
scathing
of
new
housing
development
and
said
it
just
wasn't
of
a
good
quality.
You'll
see
a
real
change
in
national
planning
guidance
around
design.
You'll
know
that
the
government's
talked
about
beauty
in
terms
of
design.
What
this
these
policies
seek
to
do
is
try
to
say
well
what
does
that
mean
for
leeds?
M
What
do
we
want
local
places
to
look
like?
What
do
we
want?
Housing
estates
to
look
like
so
there'll
be
a
stronger
basis
for
good
design
in
that
policy.
There'll
be
changes
to
our
housing
density
policy
to
ensure
that
we're
making
the
most
of
land
that's
released
for
housing
and
actually
buy
housing
density.
M
M
A
car
can
be
quite
strongly
expressed,
but
also
something
quite
new
for
elites
and
something
which
a
lot
of
cities
european
cities
are
looking
at
is
this
concept
of
a
20-minute
neighborhood
we've
often
talked
about
accessibility
when
we
look
at
distribution
of
of
housing
land
within
leeds,
and
we
look
at
justifying
its
location
based
on
its
access
to
certain
things.
The
20-minute
neighborhood
principle
takes
that
a
lot
further.
M
It
includes
a
wider
basket
of
things
that
people
should
be
expected
to
walk
to
within
10
minutes
there
in
10
minutes
back,
not
only
saying
that
where,
in
leeds
this
currently
happens
would
be
a
good
place
subject
to
other
considerations
for
development,
but
saying
well,
if
you
want
to
develop-
and
you
haven't
got
these
20-minute
attributes,
then
can
that
development
actually
deliver
these
20-minute
attributes?
M
And
that's
that's
just
a
graphic
there
to
to
start
to
look
at
some
of
the
evidence-based
work
that
we're
doing
around
that
flood
risk
is
looking
to
both
update
our
assessment
in
terms
of
what
our
flood
susceptibility
in
leeds
is
based
on
climate
change
allowances.
So
that's
looking
at.
M
If
we
have
this
much
temperature
increase,
what
what
might
our
susceptibility
to
flooding
be
in
the
future
and
actually
writing
policies
that
are
very
much
more
aware
of
that
susceptibility
and
encouraging
well
requiring
development
to
take
that
into
account
avoiding
development
in
those
areas
that
are
at
highest
risk
of
flooding
such
as
the
functional
floodplain,
especially
where
that's
within
the
main
urban
area
we
we've
often
had
within
planning,
what's
called
the
exceptions
test
where
we've
looked
to
balance
the
fact
that
whilst
a
bit
of
land
might
flood
to
all
other
intents
and
purposes,
it's
really
sustainable
and
it's
in
a
really
good
location.
M
We're
kind
of
saying
well,
actually,
is
that
really
the
balance
we
need
to
strike
now?
Should
we
be
looking
more
strongly
at
resisting
development
within
those
those
particular
areas,
and
also
looking
at
the
the
way
in
which
developments
which
can
be
delivered
now
behind
the
the
flood
alleviation
scheme
also
needs
to
take
account
of
what
happens
if
that
breaches,
so
that
we
really
understand
that
there
are
measures
in
place
within
that
development
to
deal
with
water
and
make
it
more
resilient.
M
Green
infrastructure
there's
quite
a
lot
going
on
within
that
policy.
That's
where
we
bring
together
a
clearer
understanding
of
the
the
purpose
of
green
infrastructure,
particularly
for
movement
of
plants
and
animals
which
ties
into
the
biodiversity
theme,
but
also
to
support
the
movement
of
people
which
supports
health,
healthier
communities
and
active
travel.
M
Looking
at
green
space
update
to
really
make
sure
that
the
green
spaces
that
we're
getting
within
new
developments
are
of
equality
which
meets
our
health
and
well-being
agenda
and
meets
the
sorts
of
places
that
that
people
want
to
live
too
often
green
spaces
when
they're
delivered
are
an
afterthought
and
a
sterile
just
because
they're
green
doesn't
mean
they're
green
space
if
they
don't
actually
perform
a
function,
trees
as
well.
M
Looking
at,
if
I
just
skip
on
there,
you
won't
be
able
to
read
that,
but
that's
just
to
show
that
there
is
work
going
on
around
calculating
the
the
carbon
sequestration
value
of
trees
within
the
city,
not
just
their
amenity
value
and
weaving
that
into
a
policy
which
updates
leads
as
current.
M
If
you,
if
you
have
to
lose
a
tree,
replace
it
with
three
to
if
you
have
to
lose
a
tree,
replace
it
with
an
equal
number
of
trees
that
will
replace
that
carbon
sequestration
value,
that's
been
lost
and
finally,
sustainable
infrastructure,
which
looks
at
rolling
out
policies
around
digital
connectivity
to
ensure
that
new
places
are
really
accessible
to
modern
digital
connectivity,
which
can
avoid
the
need
to
travel,
providing
strategic
support
for
mass
transit,
which
will
also
be
linked
to
the
the
20
minute
neighborhoods
and
looking
at
policies
around
league
station
upgrade
and
and
and
and
hs
too,
and
finally,
considering
policies
around
the
the
airport
very
quickly.
M
To
finish
off,
as
I
say,
dpp
workshop
in
july
consultation
material
will
be
prepared
in
august,
we'll
go
to
dpp
and
exec
board
in
september,
and
then
we'll
have
public
consultation
in
october
and
we've
committed
to
come
back
to
this
forum
during
october,
so
that
this
group
can
can
can
make
formal
comments
on
those
policies
that
that
are
drafted.
Thanks
for
listening.
A
Thank
you,
martin,
a
really,
really
interesting
piece
of
work.
Thank
you
for
sharing
that
with
us.
I've
got
councillor
garthwaite
wanting
to
come
in
I'm
councillor,
blackburner.
F
Thank
you
thank
you
for
this
report
very
interesting
and
and
a
lot
in
it,
some
of
which
has
been
going
on
for
some
time
and
some
of
which
is
a
bit
more
new.
I
just
make
a
few
comments
or
questions.
F
For
reasons
of
time.
For
reasons
of
wanting
to
park
their
cars.
For
reasons
of
putting,
I
don't
know,
sheds
up
or
sort
of
barbecue
sheds
I've
seen
that
quite
a
lot,
I
don't
quite
know
what
to
call
that
look
like
ovens,
enclosed
and
I
I
don't
see
it
as
a
positive
thing
that
that
is
happening.
So
the
more
we
can
do
in
that
direction,
the
better
moving
on
to
green
and
blue
infrastructure.
F
I
see
a
lot
here
about
green,
but
not
really
blue,
which
is,
of
course
the
water
and
water
is
not
necessarily
a
bad
thing.
Active
travel,
mass
transit
using
the
canal
network.
Those
who've
been
on
this
committee
for
some
time
have
heard
me
on
this
subject
before
for
goods
as
well
as
for
transporting
people,
and
I
think
that
that
is
really
key
using
decent
fuel,
of
course,
not
polluting
fuel.
But
I
think
that
is
something
that
we
should
really
continue
to
prioritize.
F
I
don't
want
to
see
it
getting
lost
and
also
another
thing
about
the
blue
infrastructure.
It
does
help
the
movement
of
plants
and
animals,
not
necessarily
the
west
nile
nile
virus
or
whatever,
but
also
those
animals
like
frogs
and
toads.
F
I
used
to
have
a
sticker
on
my
car
called
help
a
toad
across
the
road
and
I've
seen
recently
a
lot
of
volunteers
who
are
doing
just
that
they
go
out
at
night
and
they
make
quite
sure
that
the
toads
aren't
squashed
when
they
go
back
to
their
breeding
ground
from
wherever
they've
gone
to
before,
and
they
are
a
really
important
part
of
general
by
diversity,
and
I
think
we
can
be
positive
about
water
as
well
as
negative,
and
finally
it
would
be
useful
to
hear
a
bit
more
about
the
airport
policy
if
there's
any
more
thoughts
being
developed
on
that
at
the
moment.
M
Just
on
a
couple
of
them,
please
check
so
thanks:
councillor,
garth
waits,
so
in
terms
of
the
canal
network,
I
I
agree.
We
should
be
encouraging
more
goods
to
be
transported
by
canal.
We
do
have
a
policy
that
protects
wharfs
and
that's
really
important
and
that's
come
into
its
own
recently,
with
with
the
the
the
acceptance
of
the
sanding
gravel
coming
into
leads
on
canal
barges.
So
that's
really
positive
in
terms
of
blue
infrastructure
yeah.
M
When
we
talk
about
green
infrastructure
and
we
talk
about
green
space
and
I
talk
about
the
quality
of
green
space,
we'll
seek
to
improve
the
quality
of
green
space
by
lining
that
up
with
making
space
for
water
within
developments
too
often
developments
when
they're,
faced
with
having
to
deal
with
wastewater
and
deal
with
water
issues
and
drainage
issues,
they
put
it
underground
in
in
giant
containers.
M
A
Thank
you,
councillor
blackburn.
I
I
Are
you
talking
about
what
was
it
late
2023
when
it
goes
to
the
public
examination?
When
is
it
likely?
We
on
planning
committees
will
be
able
to
use
that
because
it
really
annoys
me
the
time
it
takes
and
I'm
not
blaming
anybody
on
this
council,
because
it's
you've
got
to
go
through
procedures.
You've
got
to
go
through
and
and
certainly
not
blaming
officers,
but
it
seems
to
take
forever
to
change
things
and
we
haven't
got
forever.
I
We've
got
a
limited
time
and
let's
put
it
this
way,
what
we're
giving
planning
to
permission
to
this
week
or
next
week
is,
could
be
built
in
five
and
six
years
time
when
things
are
different,
so
I
think
it's
important.
We
do
it
as
quick
as
we
can,
but
I'd
like
to
know
what
what
what
letters
is
that
that
was
no
criticism,
because
I
think
you're
doing
your
best.
M
M
So
once
we've
drafted
the
policies-
and
we
put
them
out
to
consultation,
there'll
be
an
advanced
stage
of
preparation,
we
can
start
to
apply
weight
to
them
and
we
can
start
to
discuss
them
at
planning
committee,
but
it
will
depend
on
the
extent
to
which
there's
unresolved
objection
to
those
policies.
So
if,
if
we've
got
some
of
those
policies
that
haven't
attracted
objection,
then
actually
you
can
start
to
apply
weight
to
those,
and
the
other
thing
is:
is
their
consistency
with
the
mppf,
which
is
national
guidance.
M
So,
where
we're
looking
to
go
beyond
the
nppf,
we
might
find
it
a
bit
more
difficult
to
start
applying
those
early,
and
you
will
need
to
wait
for
adoption
of
the
the
plan.
H
Thank
you
chair
and
with
regards
to
the
waterways,
I
agree
to
what
council
gathway
is
saying.
We
should
really
be
protecting.
Our
waterway
we've
got
a
very
valuable
asset
in
the
city
that
takes
us
out
to
the
east
coast
indirectly,
but
we
should
be
using
it.
But
my
main
point
really
martin
is
about
there's
not
much
about
micro
generation
in
here.
H
I
appreciate
you
working
on
the
fabric
of
the
building
and
that
is
government
policy
to
work
on
the
fabric
and
reduce
what
is
emitted,
but
there's
not
very
much
on
micro
generation,
particularly,
I
mean
my
personal
view
is
the
aesthetics
of
micro
generation,
particularly
solar.
If
it
goes
in
at
the
building
stage,
it
looks
better
and
works
better,
but
there
is
also
nothing
about
the
profiles
of
the
roof.
H
We
need
to
keep
some
as
many
self-profiling
rules,
because
so
many
people
have
older
houses
say
I
can't
use
solar
panels
because
I've
got
a
north-facing
roof
with
a
gas
stat
and
there
doesn't
seem
about
using
grey
water.
M
Thanks
for
those
points,
constant
was
worth
so
so
the
the
point
about
microgeneration,
the
carbon
reduction
policy
will
so
there's
two
things.
The
first
is:
we've
had
debates
with
developers
and-
and
this
was
one
of
the
questions
we
raised
at
the
consultation
as
to
how
prescriptive
or
flexible
does
this
policy
need
to
be,
and
developers
are
very
much
saying
to
us.
We
need
this
to
be
flexible,
so
you
need
to
say
to
us
what
your
end
point
is,
but
you
need
to
leave
us
to
be
able
to
get
there.
M
M
Consider
your
energy
hierarchy
and
the
fabric
of
your
building
then
consider
how
you're
going
to
heat
and
power
your
building
and
and
all
the
way
trying
to
get
towards
zero
carbon
and
that
sort
of
third
stage
around
considering
how
you're
heating
power
a
lot
of
that
will
be
from
the
grid,
which
is
looks
to
be
decarbonized.
Already,
but,
but
actually
the
more
that
developers
can
put
on
in
terms
of
microgeneration,
the
more
the
more
they
they
they
they
can
get
towards
that
zero
carbon.
M
M
What
what
we're
looking
at
at
the
moment
is
whether
we
can
have
a
contribution,
then
that
that
goes
into
a
pot
to
help
retrofit
elsewhere
within
the
city,
so
we're
at
the
moment
we're
testing
that
through
because
I
think,
as
an
ambition,
that's
quite
different
to
what
a
lot
of
local
authorities
are
doing,
but
hopefully
that
gives
you
the
comfort
that
it's
in
the
mix
on
the
on
the
grey
water
recycling.
M
It's
a
good
point.
I
don't
know
the
answer.
I
I
will
go
back
to
the
person
who's
preparing
that
policy.
I
know
that
we're
seeking
to
reduce
water
use
within
dwellings,
but
how
far
we're
going
in
terms
of
grey
water.
I
can
then
certainly
get
back
to
you.
H
Well,
I
I
welcome
the
fact
that
the
layout
is
is
correct.
I
just
think
the
developer
would
want
a
flexible
policy,
because
wouldn't
they
want
effectual
policies,
they
can
do
as
they
want.
I
think
that,
for
the
benefit
of
the
city
and
the
world
in
the
way
of
generating
it
and
people's
economics,
speaking
from
someone
who
has
solar
panels
and
uses
much
of
less
electricity
and
some
other
than
my
provider
ever
says
that
they
think
I
do
until
they
see
my
meter
readings,
then
they
think.
How
could
you
do
that?
Well
I'll!
H
Do
it
because
I
have
solar
panels
because
they
don't
they
know.
I
have
solar
panels,
but
they
don't
effectively
know
how
much
they're
generating
or
how
little
I'm
using
in
a
sense
through
the
through
the
grid.
So
they
would
want
that
flexibility.
The
point
I
forgot
to
make
was
the
20
minute
neighborhoods.
Whilst
the
20
minute
neighborhoods
are
great
for
places
like
geisler
and
today
is
an
example
where
people
are
using
the
twenty
I
mean
they're
able
to
because
there
are
no
trains.
H
The
city
centre
will
have
to
adapt
to
that
and
it's
how
we
adapt
the
city
centre
because
effectively
the
city
center's
pretty
dead
today,
because
everybody's
using
a
20-minute
neighborhood,
because
there's
no
trains
to
get
anywhere.
But
if
that
happens
on
a
very
regular
occasion
and
covey
has
pushed
that
as
well,
then
ultimately,
the
city
centre
will
have
to
adapt.
Otherwise
we
will
be
ruining
one
part
of
the
area
to
benefit
another
climate
wise.
We
may
be
making
a
benefit,
but
we
also
do
have
to
look
at
council
trustworth's
economics
position.
D
D
We're
all
there
saying
well,
when
this
work
is
done,
we
can
have
exactly
what
we
want
out
of
this
development
and
that's
that's
what
we're
all
leading
force.
I
think
we're
all
hoping
that
this
comes
through
and
then
he's
able
to
be
used
as
that,
because
yeah
we're
letting
things
through
that
we
wouldn't
want
to
accept
at
the
moment
every
single
day
and,
as
you
say,
david
I've
been
elected
now
for
four
years
and
I
think
I've
only
seen
a
handful
of
the
buildings
put
up
that
I've
ever
been
on
the
planning
panel.
D
For
so
yeah
we're
they'll
be
being
developed
until
the
late
2020s.
Certainly
so
that's
an
important
one.
The
points
about
blue
infrastructure
are
really
valuable
that
that
councilor
garth
white
made
because
I'd
seen-
and
I
think
it
was
in
this
meeting
before
that.
I
quoted
that
I'd
seen
research
that
says.
In
fact,
ponds
can
be
better
at
sequestering
carbon
than
woodlands
and
in
fact
there
are
different
habitats.
D
So,
while
we're
going
around
planting
trees
everywhere,
that's
fine,
but
it's
a
single
habitat
if
it
ends
up
being
the
same
trees
in
the
same
areas
which
it
invariably
will
be
if
they're,
the
ones
that
suit
that
particular
location
and
obviously
that's
an
alternative
habitat.
So
that's
really
good
to
hear
some
of
those
conversations
around
keeping
the
water
on
the
site
and
I'm
not
just
hiding
it
away
the
areas
around
transport.
D
I
was
going
to
touch
on
quickly
because
it
obviously
mentions
mass
transit,
but
as
far
as
we
are
now,
mass
transit
isn't
going
to
come
in
until
2040
if
it
comes
at
all.
So
it's
the
policies
before
that.
I
think
that
I'm
most
concerned
about,
I
noticed
there
isn't
mention
of
buses
in
here,
and
I
guess
is
that,
because
the
transport
strategy
and
the
sbd
are
already
adopted
plans
and
that
and
therefore
we
don't
see
the
need
to
take
that
further.
D
If
those
are
him,
I
want
to
make
a
comment
then,
on
the
20-minute
neighborhood,
because
I
think
that
approaches
is
excellent,
a
bit
in
the
city
center
one.
I
I
think
we've
got
a
slight
problem,
there's
people
who
could
walk
into
the
city
center,
but
we've
got
those
barriers
in
the
web
in
the
way.
So
there's
communities
that
live
just
outside
the
city
center
could
have
better
access
and
that's
what
I'm
hoping
we
end
up
with,
because
this
could
be
a
perfect
20-minute
neighborhood
with
everything
here.
D
I'm
thinking
of
where
I
represent,
and
I
represent
probably
six
or
seven
different
communities.
Only
two
of
those
are
probably
what
I
would
class
as
a
20-minute
neighborhood.
So
the
village
of
farsley
has
everything
you'd
probably
ever
need,
and
the
community
of
stanningley
has
everything
you
need,
but
carvalho
you'd
struggle
when
you
needed
your
groceries
and
the
communities
on
the
outskirts
of
pudsey.
I
have
would
struggle
if
you
needed
anything
really
to
get
there
in
20
minutes.
D
So
obviously
we
saw
your
map
that
you
put
up
with
areas
that
could
be
20
minute
neighborhoods
in
in
leeds
the
priority
that
we
have
is
trying
to
make
sure
that
more
of
those
areas
are
20-minute
neighborhoods
and
become
them.
How
do
we
then
work
with
developers?
Knowing
what
they're
like
to
not
look
at
your
map
and
look
at
west
leads
and
say
right
well,
horse.
That's
got
everything.
We
need,
let's
build
as
much
as
possible
around
the
edge
of
horsepower
rather
than
say.
D
M
Yeah
thanks
counselor
carlos,
so
so
so
I
think
what
you're
doing
there
is
is:
is
you
you
you're
preempting,
where
we
go
next
with
the
local
plan?
I
think
I
mentioned
in
the
report.
There'll
be
a
local
plan
too,
which
will
look
at
housing
and
employment
subject
to
development
plan
panels,
endorsement
of
those
topics,
but
it'll
also
look
at
how
we
need
to
respond
to
the
strategic
policies
we're
setting
through
these
carbon
policies,
as
they
apply
to
things
like
new
housing,
development
and
new
employment,
development
and
distribution
of
land.
M
At
the
moment,
the
means
we
have
to
distribute
housing
across
the
city
is
through
a
policy
that
that
talks
about
percentages
per
housing,
market,
character,
area,
the
20-minute
neighborhood.
If
we
get
that
enshrined
in
a
strategic
policy,
will
give
us
the
basis,
then
to
do
that
in
a
different
way,
and
it
will
then
start
to
look
at
not
not
purely
driving
distribution
of
development,
but
the
20-minute
neighborhood
is
much
more
of
a
front.
You
know
priority
to
to
determine
development,
but
then
still
look
at
well.
M
Well,
where
are
our
opportunities
to
create
20-minute
neighborhoods
and
how
might
new
development
facilitate
that,
so
that
conversation
will
happen,
but
it
will
happen
at
the
next
stage
of
of
plan
making
through
local
plan
update
too,
because
that's
where
the
plan
can
release
those
additional
sites
to
make
that
happen.
But
in
in
terms
of
the
the
transport
points
you
were
making,
I
think
you
you
did
get
to
the
right
place
in
that
yeah
this.
M
This
works
alongside
the
transport
strategy
and
the
transport
spd
planning
can
really
set
out
the
required
modes
of
transport.
It
just
has
to
make
sure
that
locations
are
accessible
and
the
layouts
of
of
developments
enable
active
travel
and
public
transport
and
provision
as
much
as
possible,
including
location
next
to
next
to
transport
interchanges,
which
is
kind
of
what,
where
the
mass
transit
side
of
it
comes
into.
M
We've
got
a
long
way
to
go
on
mass
transit,
as
you
say,
but
if,
if
we
can
set
a
policy
in
this
plan
here
which
supports
mass
transit
being
delivered
for
the
city
and
and
lines
that
up
with
the
20-minute
neighborhood
approach
when
it
comes
to
looking
at
the
the
routes
for
mass
transit,
that
can
very
strongly
influence
where
they
go
and
and
that
can
then
get
the
proper
link
between
housing,
growth
and
mass
transit
provision.
D
Just
very
briefly,
yes,
thank
you
yeah,
and
that
helps
me
get
the
connection
between
the
two.
D
We
see
that
then,
as
a
very
easy
corridor
to
put
mass
transit
in
not
talking
about
how
you
fit
it
literally
on
the
ground,
but
it
already
has
there
the
scope
to
be.
I
see
some
of
the
planning
policies
could
really
help
with
that.
If
we
get
a
10
minute
frequency
bus
route
into
an
area
through
planning,
then
that
gives
you
a
corridor
that
has
the
opportunity
to
build
up
to
being
whatever
a
mass
transit
corridor
happens
to
be
in
2014..
D
Through
my
area,
we've
ended
up
with
one
of
those
purely
just
because
we're
writing
there's
no
way
to
get
between
leeds
and
bradford
without
going
straight
through
the
middle.
But
if
we're
able
to
use
the
policies
to
think
about
well,
could
that
be
something
before
anyone's
building
a
tram?
Could
we
build
up
that
demand
that
desire,
etc?
Then,
then,
that's
what
I'm
I'm
really
keen
to
see
and
then
replacing
that
with
a
different
vehicle
at
a
later
stage
is
absolutely
fine,
but
that's
leading
to
it.
But
that
might
be
around
that
local
plan.
D
Update
too,
then
I
think
where,
where
the
houses
are
and
where
development
is
can
be
led
to
where
we
could
provide
a
10-minute
bus,
if
there
were
enough
people
there
to
service
one
just
to
comment
really
I'll
I'll,
take
chad
allow
you
to
get
on.
C
Yes,
thank
you,
chad.
I
mean
martin
in
his
customary
way,
scattered
a
lot
of
pearls
before
it's
which
very
very
impressive,
but
I
must
admit
the
paragraph
in
his
report,
which
burnt
itself
on
my
brain
is
paragraph
11,
where
it
says
changes
to
government
guidance
are
a
key
risk
to
the
lpu,
and
the
government
has
begun
a
review
of
the
planning
system
via
their
leveling
up
bill.
The
national
planning
policy
framework
is
also
due
to
be
revised
with
national
development
management
policies,
which
could
constrain
an
lpa's
ability
to
set
local
policy.
C
But
at
the
end
of
the
day,
quite
often
developers
will
just
wave
viability
in
our
face
and
everything
that
we're
talking
about,
hopefully
with
good
developers,
developers
who
see
the
commercial
benefits
rather
than
just
the
climate
change
benefits
of
what
we're
suggesting.
Unless
we've
got
that
that
ability
to
mandate
it.
You
know,
because
the
phrase
that
just
spring
to
mind
is
not
one
that
I
should
use
in
public,
but
we're
we
we're
up
a
country
where.
I
M
Yeah
thanks
councillor
trustwell,
so
just
just
in
terms
of
the
I
mean
you're
right
there
there
are.
There
are
two
big
risks
to
this.
One
is
viability
because
national
planning
policy
framework
says
that,
in
order
for
these
policies
to
get
through
examination,
they
have
to
be
sound
and
one
of
the
tests
of
soundness
is
around
deliverability.
Can
you
actually
deliver
it?
Can
enough
developers
deliver
these
policies
on
the
ground
to
meet
the
requirements?
We've
got
for
our
housing
growth
and
our
employment
growth.
M
So
we've
been
doing
quite
a
lot
of
work
with
the
development
industry.
We
had
a
workshop
in
this
room
a
few
weeks
ago
and
I'm
cautiously
optimistic
that
we're
seeing
a
lot
more
of
an
open
door
to
to
to
to
these
policies.
Now,
at
this
stage
than
there's
ever
be
and-
and
I
think
that's
down
to
a
number
of
things-
I
think
that's
down
to
the
kind
of
the
the
the
sustainable
development
goals
that
that
companies
and
organizations
have
and
where
they
get
their
funding
from.
M
M
So
I'm
confident
in
that
respect,
I
think
we're
hearing
a
lot
of
goodwill
from
developers
about
this
agenda,
because
I
think
that
they're,
finally
realizing
that
actually
their
customers
out
there
are
the
ones
who
are
going
to
be
living
in
these
properties
and
with
the
cost
of
energy
being
what
it
is
want
them
to
be
as
efficient
as
they
possibly
can
be.
We
obviously
are
working
on
a
viability
assessment
which
will
set
out
the
way
in
which
we
think
all
these
policies
can
be
achieved.
At
the
same
time.
M
Obviously,
given
the
markets
in
leeds
are
so
different,
you're
going
to
find
it
easier
to
deliver
a
lot
of
these
policies
in
terms
of
the
outer
areas
on
say
greenfield
sites
than
you
maybe
are
on
a
small
site
constrained
site
in
the
inner
city.
So
we
need
to
work
through
that
with
the
policies
and
and
and
and
not
aim
for
the
lowest
common
denominator
which
which
everyone
can
meet
but
but
think
about
how
we,
you
know,
we
meet
different
different
developers.
The
second
thing
about
the
the
the
the
act.
M
Sorry,
the
national
national
policy,
I
think
more
than
ever,
within
this
local
plan.
I
think
we've
realized
that
we
are
having
to
go
beyond
what
the
sort
of
the
national
planning
policy
framework
explicitly
says.
M
But
our
route
through,
that
is
the
climate
change
act,
because
legislation
does
trump
guidance
and
as
long
as
we're
not
contravening
the
planning
act,
then
we
can,
if
we've
got
the
right
evidence
in
place
to
say
we're
going
beyond
the
national
plan
and
policy
framework,
because
it
meets
the
requirements
of
the
climate
change
act
rather
than
because
it
meets
the
requirements
that
are
set
out
in
the
planning
and
compulsory
purchase
act.
So
so
it's
thinking
a
bit
differently
about
how
we
pitch
this
to
an
inspector
somewhat.
M
Several
local
authorities
have
done
something
similar.
London,
you'll
not
be
surprised,
is
out
in
the
lead,
but
london's
a
bit
of
an
outlier
because
of
its
it's.
It's
it's
market
value.
Other
local
authorities
have
done
this
in
bits,
so
so
lancaster
has
done
very
well
in
terms
of
the
the
the
zero
carbon
building
agenda,
as
has
bristol
manchester's,
got
quite
a
good
track
record
in
terms
of
green
infrastructure
and
green
space.
M
Very
few
have
actually
pulled
it
all
together
in
in
one
sort
of
narrative,
and
I
think
that's
to
it
the
policy's
strength,
because
they
do
directly
speak
to
each
other
in
in
order
to
de-risk
them.
So
I
think
you're
right
to
raise
the
points,
but
I'm
cautiously
optimistic
that
we
should
be
able
to
to
get
through.
C
No
chair
yeah,
I
I
hope
that
martin's
optimism
proves
to
be
valid.
I
suspect
that
a
lot
of
this
will
finish
up
appearing
before
the
gentleman
and
ladies
in
wigs
and
red
gowns,
though.
A
Thank
you
right
on
that
note.
Councillor
buckley
it's
over
to
you.
J
I'll
be
briefchair,
it
was
just
a
comment
and
then
a
question.
Please
martin
will
be
familiar
with
the
clown
mall
farm
proposals.
This
is
leeds
university
who
own
land
around
tomorrow,
farm
which
is
in
the
far
northwest
of
all
woodley
just
before
it
joins
onto
idle,
and
it's
extremely
positive
about
it,
we're
very
supportive,
given
the
choice
between
600
houses
or
a
big
woodland,
properly
managed.
You
know
it's.
J
We
are
really
very
supportive,
but
just
to
say
just
in
in
comments
about
this
and
it's
amazing
what
these
things
bring
up,
because
what
seems
to
be
a
well-managed
woodland
proposal,
no
problem
at
all.
Thank
you
very
much.
Go
ahead.
It's
immediately
brought
up
a
couple
of
issues.
J
The
university
didn't
intend
or
don't
intend
to
have
this
as
a
kind
of
a
mass
public
attraction,
but
just
to
attract
people
who
are
particularly
interested
in
how
the
flora
and
fauna
develop
and
that
kind
of
thing,
but
nevertheless
you're
likely
to
have
people
arriving
in
cars
because
there's
no
other
way
to
get
there
and
they
have
no
plans
to
put
a
car
park
in
and
in
a
way
you
think.
Well,
we
don't
really
want
the
car
park,
but
then
we
don't
want
the
cars
on
the
country
lanes.
J
Clogging
the
lanes
up
second
issue
is
the
fact
that
there
is
a
kind
of
a
long
established,
anti-social,
behavior
friday
night
scene
on
in
the
corner
of
the
wood
involving
men
only
which
people
think
this
will
make
it
worse.
J
So
it's
amazing
how
these
things
bring
up
other
problems,
but
the
question
I
wanted
to
ask
chair
just
very
briefly:
is
I'm
not
on
planning,
but
could
martin
just
confirm
this
and
we've
had
this
question
before
really
I
could
take
him
to
20
large
houses
in
all
woodley,
where
the
front
gardens
have
completely
disappeared
and
you're
not
talking
about
parking
for
two
or
three
cars
you're
talking
about
areas
of
tarmac
where
you
could
get
30
cars
on
them
now.
Is
that
supposed
to
be
allowed
or
is
it
a
question
of
enforcement.
M
Yeah,
thank
thanks.
Councillor
buckley,
so
the
paving
over
of
front
gardens
is
allowable
under,
what's
called
permitted
development.
So
if,
if
you're
a
homeowner
you
you
you
are
allowed
to
make
changes
within
your
property,
one
of
those
changes
is
is
paving
over
your
front
garden.
Should
you
wish
there
is
the
council's
influence
on
that
comes
down
to
the
type
of
paving
and
the
type
of
hard
surface
that
can
be
provided
that
should
be
developed
rather
and
that
it's
permeable
and
that
if
it
isn't
permeable,
then
it
requires
planning
permission.
M
Now,
that's
set
out
in
a
paving
over
your
front,
gardens
guidance
note
which
has
been
recently
done
within
my
service
and
put
on
our
website,
and
I
can
certainly
give
helen
the
the
the
link
to
that.
So
we
are
constrained
in
terms
of
what
we
can
do.
We
can
insist
on
porous
materials
and
we
can
encourage,
as
we
are
doing
through
this
guide,
to
say.
Well,
you
don't
have
to
lose
all
of
the
the
the
the
natural
aspect
of
your
front
garden
simply
to
park
a
car
in
it.
M
There's
plenty
of
good
practice,
ways
in
which
you
can
park
over
certain
plants,
and
you
can
actually
put
porous
paving
in
and
around
plants
to
be
able
to
to
park
a
car.
But
unfortunately
it
is
a
problem.
M
The
government,
at
the
moment,
are
restricting
the
ability
of
local
authorities
to
put
in
place
what
are
known
as
article
4
directions,
which
remove
permitted
development
rights
from
some
areas,
and
actually,
what
leads
would
need
would
be
a
blanket
article
for
direction
which
covered
the
whole
of
leeds
to
say
you
can't
pave
over
your
front
garden,
but
given
the
government's
recent
changes
to
the
national
planning
policy
framework
on
this
subject,
it's
looking
unlikely
that
that
would
be
feasible,
because
the
government
wants
article
four
directions
to
apply
to
very
small
geographies.
M
So
it
it.
It
is
a
problem.
But
it's
one
that
we've
acknowledged
within
the
local
plan,
update
and
we'll
try
and
remove
what
we
can
do
when,
when
new
developments
built
is
we
can
remove
the
permitted
development
rights
at
the
construction
stage
so
that
all
of
this
good
infrastructure
that
we're
putting
in
doesn't
get
taken
out
by
a
homeowner
and
further
down
the
line,
so
that
we
can
ensure
that
you
know
all
that
green
infrastructure
infrastructure
remains.
F
Yep,
just
briefly,
I
agree
with
an
awful
lot
of
what's
been
said,
but
going
right
back
to
the
city
center.
I
mean
they're
about
what
25
000
more
residents
now
in
the
city
center.
They
have
their
20-minute
neighborhood
there
and
I
think
that
that
needs
to
be
remembered.
F
Of
course,
some
of
them
are
students
who
might
not
be
there
all
year,
but
a
lot
of
them
do
not
have
a
car,
and
we
are
insisting
that
with
developments
that
are
in
and
near
the
city
center
that
they
don't
have
much
scope
for
cars
apart
from
disabled
access
and
blue
badge
holders.
So
I
think
that
that
needs
remembering,
and
particularly
it
gives
a
big
opportunity
for
curtgate
market
when
I
am
on
the
markets
management
board
and
if
later
opening
was
ever
to
become
possible
there.
I
think
it
would
be
extremely
popular.
A
Thank
you,
chair,
just
a
quick
question
on
whether
there's
any
way
of
including
discussion
on
housing
cooperatives
as
a
way
of
developing.
B
A
M
So
so
certainly,
I
think
the
the
policies
that
will
put
the
plan
would
be
very
much
positive
policies
around
local
generation
and
micro
generation.
I
don't
think
what
we
could
do
is
sort
of
foresee
every
instance
where
that
might
arises,
but
actually,
if
we've
got
some
good
examples
of
where
we've
got
sort
of
community-led
housing,
for
example,
which
has
also
delivered
community
legi
microgeneration,
and
that
would
be
actually
really
quite
good
to
put
in
as
justification
for
that.
M
But
I
I
don't
think
that
that
would
be
something
that
we
currently
stop
under
current
planning
policy,
but
we
could
certainly
be
more
encouraging
of
it.
G
Yes,
hello.
I
just
wanted
to
pass
a
comment
really
it's
just
me
thinking
out
loud,
but
I
think
it's
a
good
conversation
that
we
need
to
have
in
the
city.
Now
we
have
a
big
population.
G
We've
got
lots
of
schools,
there's
been
an
increase
in
the
increase
in
the
city
center
population,
10
million,
more
people
in
the
uk
and
I've
got
three
high
schools.
In
my
ward.
G
Now
parents
are
driving
the
kids
to
school,
driving
the
children
to
school
and
picking
them
up
and
whilst
leaving
the
car
on
idling
is
illegal
under
the
road
traffic
act.
I
believe
I
read
that
a
quarter
of
parents
still
admit
to
leaving
their
cars
idling
while
they're
picking
the
kids
up
from
school.
G
So
you
know
there's
lots
of
particles
that
are
released
as
a
result
of
that,
and
you
know
even
public
health
england
in
2019,
I
believe,
asked
for
a
complete
ban
on
cars,
idling
outside
schools
and
attached
to
those
three
high
schools.
In
my
ward,
we
have
three
six
farm
colleges
as
well.
Now,
more
and
more
17
and
18
year
olds
have
been
able
to
afford
their
own
car,
which
is
great,
but
we
need
to
make
that
20-minute
neighborhood
more
attractive
to
them,
and
it's
you
know,
maybe
we
need
to
factor
that
in
as
well.
G
It's
just
me
thinking
out
loud,
really,
it's
just
something
that
we
need
to
have
a
conversation
about
and
something
that
we
can't
forget,
and
I
understand
that
it's
very
niche
and
it's
very
specific
but
local
plan-
it
should
be
integrated
into
there.
So
anyway,
it's
just
a
comment.
No
real
question.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that.
Anybody
else
got
any
questions
or
comments.
They'd
like
to
make
councillor
wordsworth.
H
It's
on
the
point
that
just
being
raised
about
engine
idling,
we
were
asked
if
we
wanted
to
fund
some
engineering
angel
idling
banners
for
schools
and
that
some
members
did
offer
to
do,
then
it
was
taken
out
of
our
hands
by
someone
who
said
it
was
going
to
be
a
corporate
thing.
I'm
still
waiting
for
mine
and
I've
visited
all
my
schools
now
and
said
that
I'd
bring
them
around
and
they
said
when
you
bring
them
around,
we'll
put
them
on
our
back
railings.
But
it's
not
happened.
N
Yes,
I
can,
I
can
come
in
and
cancel
I've
got
an
update,
they've
actually
been
delivered
this
week,
so
we
waited
to.
We
gave
members
plenty
of
notice
to
taking
all
of
their
requests
in,
so
we
could
print
them
all
in
one
batch
to
get
better
value
for
money,
but
they've
been
delivered
to.
N
I
think
more
than
20
schools
across
the
city
this
this
week,
but
my
colleagues
actually
drafting
a
an
email
to
send
to
all
counsellors,
to
thank
them
for
their
suggestions
and
to
provide
an
update
on
that
piece
of
work.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Anybody
else,
okay.
I
thought
it
was
quite
a
positive
note
to
end
on.
I
think
we've
had
a
wide
range
in
discussion
and
martin.
We
look
forward
to
development
of
the
plan
and
bringing
it
back
in
october
and
then
we'll
be
able
to
have
a
discussion.
I
think
that
that's
the
only
agenda
item
is
it
for
that
meeting
so
far,
so
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
that.
One.
I
Just
a
point
before
we
finish,
I
did
not
get
my
papers
notified
to
me,
neither
by
email
or
you
know
actual
purpose,
and
I
know
councillor
newton
I
don't
think
did
either
and
well.
I
know
how
I
found
out
how
I
got
my
papers
were
off.
My
colleague
who
was
on
the
committee
last
year,
and
I
suspect
the
lord
mayor
got
to
council
of
newton's
paper,
but
can
we
make
sure
that
everybody
who's
on
there
as
he
is
either
get
any
a
link
emailed
or
or
supplied
with
papers?.
K
Thank
you,
council
blackman.
If
I
can
apologize
because
that's
actually
my
fault,
I
don't
understand
why
counselor
newton
didn't
get
his,
but
I
do
appreciate.
I
did
make
a
mistake
with
yours
and
I
have
corrected
that
now.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Everybody
so
I'll
bring
this.
My
first
meeting
to
a
close,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
comments
and
contributions,
and
we
will
meet
again
on
thursday,
the
21st
of
july
at
2
p.m.
Thank
you
very
much.